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		<title>By: Javier Ballesteros G.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-50102</link>
		<dc:creator>Javier Ballesteros G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that they look sexy? what do you think? your gay??????????????....................................?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that they look sexy? what do you think? your gay??????????????&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Javier Ballesteros G.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-50101</link>
		<dc:creator>Javier Ballesteros G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that they all look hott and sexy? what do you think that they look like well i think that you need  to nkow frist who they are and whau they look ...........................................?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that they all look hott and sexy? what do you think that they look like well i think that you need  to nkow frist who they are and whau they look &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: KC Kern</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6436</link>
		<dc:creator>KC Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NM Tony, yeah I think &quot;nihilism&quot; is what I was going for...I just couldn&#039;t articulate it well (hence the little disclaimer.)  Healthy skepticism and cynicism can often be helpful in constructing a realistic world view, I didn&#039;t mean to belittle them per se.  Although often I&#039;ve found that nihilism and even sometimes agnosticism  comes bundled with a fair dose of skepticism and cynicism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NM Tony, yeah I think &#8220;nihilism&#8221; is what I was going for&#8230;I just couldn&#8217;t articulate it well (hence the little disclaimer.)  Healthy skepticism and cynicism can often be helpful in constructing a realistic world view, I didn&#8217;t mean to belittle them per se.  Although often I&#8217;ve found that nihilism and even sometimes agnosticism  comes bundled with a fair dose of skepticism and cynicism.</p>
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		<title>By: NM Tony</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6362</link>
		<dc:creator>NM Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;skeptic/cynic school of thought (excuse the over-generalization) that finds it easier to believe in nothing&quot;

Yes, this is an overgeneralized statement because I think you are really referring to nihilism in your statement.  Skeptics are the ones who question a claim and demand evidence for said claim.  Cynics, on the other hand, tend to have a worldview that questions the motives of a particular group or individual, feeling that all is done out of self-interest.

&quot;We may be perceiving something out there differently, but the fact remains, we are all perceiving SOMETHING. And our inconsistent descriptions of that SOMETHING out there do not prove there is NOTHING out there.&quot;

You&#039;re right, Andrew.  The simple idea that people have contradictory spiritual experience does not disprove the existence of deity nor does it prove deity.  It simply proves that people have a wide range of experiences that they attribute to deity.

As far as what the king&#039;s response represents, I see it as a lack of critical thinking and jumping to premature conclusions.  It shows the king&#039;s inability to &quot;connect the dots&quot; and believe in his own superiority in claiming truth.  He has rejected the truths the sages were able to obtain without taking the time to examine all that they may hold.  Furthermore, the sages, likewise, reject the concept of cooperation and combining knowledge, especially when faced with the child&#039;s (the new guy) discovery.  It further shows that without further investigation, they remain in their ignorance rather than investigating each others&#039; and the child&#039;s claim. Had they done so, they would have obtained a significant truth...the -elephant- is real, just in the way that they perceived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;skeptic/cynic school of thought (excuse the over-generalization) that finds it easier to believe in nothing&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, this is an overgeneralized statement because I think you are really referring to nihilism in your statement.  Skeptics are the ones who question a claim and demand evidence for said claim.  Cynics, on the other hand, tend to have a worldview that questions the motives of a particular group or individual, feeling that all is done out of self-interest.</p>
<p>&#8220;We may be perceiving something out there differently, but the fact remains, we are all perceiving SOMETHING. And our inconsistent descriptions of that SOMETHING out there do not prove there is NOTHING out there.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, Andrew.  The simple idea that people have contradictory spiritual experience does not disprove the existence of deity nor does it prove deity.  It simply proves that people have a wide range of experiences that they attribute to deity.</p>
<p>As far as what the king&#8217;s response represents, I see it as a lack of critical thinking and jumping to premature conclusions.  It shows the king&#8217;s inability to &#8220;connect the dots&#8221; and believe in his own superiority in claiming truth.  He has rejected the truths the sages were able to obtain without taking the time to examine all that they may hold.  Furthermore, the sages, likewise, reject the concept of cooperation and combining knowledge, especially when faced with the child&#8217;s (the new guy) discovery.  It further shows that without further investigation, they remain in their ignorance rather than investigating each others&#8217; and the child&#8217;s claim. Had they done so, they would have obtained a significant truth&#8230;the -elephant- is real, just in the way that they perceived.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6356</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC, yes.  I have a few friends who make the following argument.

&quot;The Christians say God is X, the Buddhists say God is Y, the Taoists say God is Z.  They contradict each other.  Therefore, THERE IS NO GOD!&quot;

OR

&quot;Brigham Young said God told them X, and Joseph F. Smith said God told him Y.  They contradict each other.  Therefore, GOD CANNOT BE TALKING TO THEM!&quot;

For me, the message is that our individual perceptions of God (and many other things in life) will inevitably vary because we &quot;see through a glass, darkly.&quot;  But even though our individual experiences and impressions of God differ and even contradict each other, those contradictions do not rule out God&#039;s existence any more than the sages&#039; inconsistent descriptions prove that &quot;there is no such thing as an elephant!&quot;  We may be perceiving something out there differently, but the fact remains, we are all perceiving SOMETHING.  And our inconsistent descriptions of that SOMETHING out there do not prove there is NOTHING out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC, yes.  I have a few friends who make the following argument.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Christians say God is X, the Buddhists say God is Y, the Taoists say God is Z.  They contradict each other.  Therefore, THERE IS NO GOD!&#8221;</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>&#8220;Brigham Young said God told them X, and Joseph F. Smith said God told him Y.  They contradict each other.  Therefore, GOD CANNOT BE TALKING TO THEM!&#8221;</p>
<p>For me, the message is that our individual perceptions of God (and many other things in life) will inevitably vary because we &#8220;see through a glass, darkly.&#8221;  But even though our individual experiences and impressions of God differ and even contradict each other, those contradictions do not rule out God&#8217;s existence any more than the sages&#8217; inconsistent descriptions prove that &#8220;there is no such thing as an elephant!&#8221;  We may be perceiving something out there differently, but the fact remains, we are all perceiving SOMETHING.  And our inconsistent descriptions of that SOMETHING out there do not prove there is NOTHING out there.</p>
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		<title>By: KC Kern</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6351</link>
		<dc:creator>KC Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the king exemplifies the skeptic/cynic school of thought (excuse the over-generalization) that finds it easier to believe in nothing, and uses lack of corroboration as a rationale.  This does, however, leave the king at a loss to explain the individual experiences of the sages, so he writes them off as lunatic crack pots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the king exemplifies the skeptic/cynic school of thought (excuse the over-generalization) that finds it easier to believe in nothing, and uses lack of corroboration as a rationale.  This does, however, leave the king at a loss to explain the individual experiences of the sages, so he writes them off as lunatic crack pots.</p>
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		<title>By: John Nilsson</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6349</link>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The king&#039;s reaction is strange, considering the sages all attest they&#039;ve encountered something.

It&#039;s interesting that the sages may have heard incomplete descriptions of the elephant from those who had encountered it which may have guided them to the part of the elephant they were ready to touch and understand.

The size of an elephant vis a vis humans also seems to suggest the futility of ever fully understanding other big concepts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The king&#8217;s reaction is strange, considering the sages all attest they&#8217;ve encountered something.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the sages may have heard incomplete descriptions of the elephant from those who had encountered it which may have guided them to the part of the elephant they were ready to touch and understand.</p>
<p>The size of an elephant vis a vis humans also seems to suggest the futility of ever fully understanding other big concepts.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyone? . . . Bueller? . . .&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Andrew, I&#039;m reminded of Julia Sweeney&#039;s frustration while reading the New Testament.  At one point she yells at Jesus: &quot;Stop talking in parables. It&#039;s not working. Even your staff isn&#039;t getting it.&quot; :D

http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=290</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyone? . . . Bueller? . . .</p></blockquote>
<p>Andrew, I&#8217;m reminded of Julia Sweeney&#8217;s frustration while reading the New Testament.  At one point she yells at Jesus: &#8220;Stop talking in parables. It&#8217;s not working. Even your staff isn&#8217;t getting it.&#8221; <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=290" rel="nofollow">http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=290</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any takers on my question about the king&#039;s reaction to the sages&#039; inconsistent descriptions of the elephant.  Specifically, the soundness of his reasoning and conclusion?  Anyone ever seen that same &quot;logic&quot; applied elsewhere?

Anyone? . . . Bueller? . . . :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any takers on my question about the king&#8217;s reaction to the sages&#8217; inconsistent descriptions of the elephant.  Specifically, the soundness of his reasoning and conclusion?  Anyone ever seen that same &#8220;logic&#8221; applied elsewhere?</p>
<p>Anyone? . . . Bueller? . . . <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bfwebster</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6323</link>
		<dc:creator>bfwebster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this version:

The lion walked through the jungle, seeking to establish his reign. He saw a gazelle running by, quickly ran him down, pinned him to the ground and roared, &quot;Who&#039;s king of the jungle?&quot; The gazelle say, &quot;You are, sire, you are!&quot; The lion, satisfied, let the gazelle go.

The lion walked on some more and saw a young gorilla moving from one patch of jungle to another. Again, the lion ran up, pinned the gorilla to the ground, and roared, &quot;Who&#039;s king of the jungle?&quot; The gorilla said, &quot;You are, o mighty one, you are!&quot; The lion, again satisfied, let the gorilla go.

Wandering more onto the veldt, the lion spotted a bull elephant giving itself a dust bath. The lion ran up behind the elephant at full speed and with a mighty leap, jumped onto the elephant&#039;s back, digging in his claws. &quot;Who&#039;s king of the jungle?&quot;, the lion roared. The bull elephant reach up with his trunk, grabbed the lion, and proceeded to smash him repeatedly into the ground. Finally growing bored of this activity, the elephant dropped the now-limp lion and wandered off.

The lion, after a little while, painfully got to his feet, and as he limped back to the jungle, he said, &quot;Sheesh, just because you don&#039;t know the answer is no reason to get mad about it....&quot;

OK, corny I know, but it was one of my (late) father&#039;s favorite jokes.  ..bruce..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this version:</p>
<p>The lion walked through the jungle, seeking to establish his reign. He saw a gazelle running by, quickly ran him down, pinned him to the ground and roared, &#8220;Who&#8217;s king of the jungle?&#8221; The gazelle say, &#8220;You are, sire, you are!&#8221; The lion, satisfied, let the gazelle go.</p>
<p>The lion walked on some more and saw a young gorilla moving from one patch of jungle to another. Again, the lion ran up, pinned the gorilla to the ground, and roared, &#8220;Who&#8217;s king of the jungle?&#8221; The gorilla said, &#8220;You are, o mighty one, you are!&#8221; The lion, again satisfied, let the gorilla go.</p>
<p>Wandering more onto the veldt, the lion spotted a bull elephant giving itself a dust bath. The lion ran up behind the elephant at full speed and with a mighty leap, jumped onto the elephant&#8217;s back, digging in his claws. &#8220;Who&#8217;s king of the jungle?&#8221;, the lion roared. The bull elephant reach up with his trunk, grabbed the lion, and proceeded to smash him repeatedly into the ground. Finally growing bored of this activity, the elephant dropped the now-limp lion and wandered off.</p>
<p>The lion, after a little while, painfully got to his feet, and as he limped back to the jungle, he said, &#8220;Sheesh, just because you don&#8217;t know the answer is no reason to get mad about it&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, corny I know, but it was one of my (late) father&#8217;s favorite jokes.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Foraker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Foraker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always enjoy reading your posts, Andrew.  This parable has long been a favorite of mine.  It would be nice, though, to have a bit of backstory to it so that we can better understand why the five sages came to the conclusions they did; what were the perceptions that they brought to the elephant?  (Please forgive the apparent Coveyfication of the parable; been reading lots of psychology stuff lately.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always enjoy reading your posts, Andrew.  This parable has long been a favorite of mine.  It would be nice, though, to have a bit of backstory to it so that we can better understand why the five sages came to the conclusions they did; what were the perceptions that they brought to the elephant?  (Please forgive the apparent Coveyfication of the parable; been reading lots of psychology stuff lately.)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still like this post (I enjoyed it when it was on-line, but before you posted it and now that you&#039;ve made it public, it is still great).  It captures so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still like this post (I enjoyed it when it was on-line, but before you posted it and now that you&#8217;ve made it public, it is still great).  It captures so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dpc, yes, I think Saxe does a good job of summarizing one of the morals of the story, however, I believe there are many, many others to be learned from it, as illustrated by the other versions.  Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dpc, yes, I think Saxe does a good job of summarizing one of the morals of the story, however, I believe there are many, many others to be learned from it, as illustrated by the other versions.  Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: dpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew:

The Saxe version is the one I&#039;m most familiar with.  I wasn&#039;t even aware there were other versions of the story until I read yours.  I hadn&#039;t realized that it had a much deeper history and meaning than I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew:</p>
<p>The Saxe version is the one I&#8217;m most familiar with.  I wasn&#8217;t even aware there were other versions of the story until I read yours.  I hadn&#8217;t realized that it had a much deeper history and meaning than I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dpc, I just checked out the Wikipedia site and now I&#039;m not so sure it was the Saxe poem I read previously. This parable has been around a long, long time and is has been quoted and applied by many different religious groups.  Thanks for finding this additional info for us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dpc, I just checked out the Wikipedia site and now I&#8217;m not so sure it was the Saxe poem I read previously. This parable has been around a long, long time and is has been quoted and applied by many different religious groups.  Thanks for finding this additional info for us!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6294</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dpc, That&#039;s it!  Thanks for finding it for me.  I cannot remember when or where I read that, but that certainly rings the bell for me.

This also helps me identify which parts of the above parable were my own adaptations.  One of my additions is the king&#039;s reaction to the sages&#039; contradictory accounts.  I&#039;d love to hear what people make of the king&#039;s reasoning and his conclusion (There is no such thing as an elephant!), and to know whether anyone sees any parallels in our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dpc, That&#8217;s it!  Thanks for finding it for me.  I cannot remember when or where I read that, but that certainly rings the bell for me.</p>
<p>This also helps me identify which parts of the above parable were my own adaptations.  One of my additions is the king&#8217;s reaction to the sages&#8217; contradictory accounts.  I&#8217;d love to hear what people make of the king&#8217;s reasoning and his conclusion (There is no such thing as an elephant!), and to know whether anyone sees any parallels in our lives.</p>
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		<title>By: dpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Godfrey_Saxe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Godfrey Saxe&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; version of the parable:


It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind

The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
“God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!”

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, “Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me ’tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!”

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a snake!”

The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
“What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain,” quoth he;
“ ‘Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!”

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: “E’en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!”

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a rope!”

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Godfrey_Saxe" rel="nofollow">John Godfrey Saxe&#8217;s</a> version of the parable:</p>
<p>It was six men of Indostan<br />
To learning much inclined,<br />
Who went to see the Elephant<br />
(Though all of them were blind),<br />
That each by observation<br />
Might satisfy his mind</p>
<p>The First approached the Elephant,<br />
And happening to fall<br />
Against his broad and sturdy side,<br />
At once began to bawl:<br />
“God bless me! but the Elephant<br />
Is very like a wall!”</p>
<p>The Second, feeling of the tusk,<br />
Cried, “Ho! what have we here<br />
So very round and smooth and sharp?<br />
To me ’tis mighty clear<br />
This wonder of an Elephant<br />
Is very like a spear!”</p>
<p>The Third approached the animal,<br />
And happening to take<br />
The squirming trunk within his hands,<br />
Thus boldly up and spake:<br />
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant<br />
Is very like a snake!”</p>
<p>The Fourth reached out an eager hand,<br />
And felt about the knee.<br />
“What most this wondrous beast is like<br />
Is mighty plain,” quoth he;<br />
“ ‘Tis clear enough the Elephant<br />
Is very like a tree!”</p>
<p>The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,<br />
Said: “E’en the blindest man<br />
Can tell what this resembles most;<br />
Deny the fact who can<br />
This marvel of an Elephant<br />
Is very like a fan!”</p>
<p>The Sixth no sooner had begun<br />
About the beast to grope,<br />
Than, seizing on the swinging tail<br />
That fell within his scope,<br />
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant<br />
Is very like a rope!”</p>
<p>And so these men of Indostan<br />
Disputed loud and long,<br />
Each in his own opinion<br />
Exceeding stiff and strong,<br />
Though each was partly in the right,<br />
And all were in the wrong!</p>
<p>So oft in theologic wars,<br />
The disputants, I ween,<br />
Rail on in utter ignorance<br />
Of what each other mean,<br />
And prate about an Elephant<br />
Not one of them has seen!</p>
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		<title>By: Ricercar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricercar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainty is the feeling one enjoys in the moments before the question is fully understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainty is the feeling one enjoys in the moments before the question is fully understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6287</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This represents to me the essence of Kant&#039;s transcendental idealism. thanks Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This represents to me the essence of Kant&#8217;s transcendental idealism. thanks Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6284</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witness testimony is often problematic, even if the witnesses are honest. So we should be careful about drawing conclusions from one or two or even five witnesses. Likewise, personal experience can also be misleading. Once we express an opinion based on this experience then pride can make it difficult to accept new but contradictory information.

I have long thought that in our attempts to understand theological questions we resemble the sages in this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witness testimony is often problematic, even if the witnesses are honest. So we should be careful about drawing conclusions from one or two or even five witnesses. Likewise, personal experience can also be misleading. Once we express an opinion based on this experience then pride can make it difficult to accept new but contradictory information.</p>
<p>I have long thought that in our attempts to understand theological questions we resemble the sages in this story.</p>
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		<title>By: KC Kern</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6280</link>
		<dc:creator>KC Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even with the knowledge and additional insight that we may have, it is critically important to remember &quot;...how unsearchable are the depths of the mysteries of [God]; and it is impossible that man should find out all his ways.&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://bookofmormononline.net/ref/jacob/4/8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jacob 4:8&lt;/a&gt;)

The acquisition of knowledge should be coupled with increased humility and openness, not the other way around, as is unfortunately all too often demonstrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with the knowledge and additional insight that we may have, it is critically important to remember &#8220;&#8230;how unsearchable are the depths of the mysteries of [God]; and it is impossible that man should find out all his ways.&#8221; (<a href="http://bookofmormononline.net/ref/jacob/4/8" rel="nofollow">Jacob 4:8</a>)</p>
<p>The acquisition of knowledge should be coupled with increased humility and openness, not the other way around, as is unfortunately all too often demonstrated.</p>
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		<title>By: John Nilsson</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6278</link>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Sages are no better, and sometimes worse, at discerning truth than children.
2.  This lesson confuses me as a Westerner, but may be fine for the Eastern tradition: Truth is the combination of all contending viewpoints.
3.  Elephants are apparently non-violent and very willing to let humans touch them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Sages are no better, and sometimes worse, at discerning truth than children.<br />
2.  This lesson confuses me as a Westerner, but may be fine for the Eastern tradition: Truth is the combination of all contending viewpoints.<br />
3.  Elephants are apparently non-violent and very willing to let humans touch them.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Nielson</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6274</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Nielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make sure you have acurate and thorough information.  And find out why your &#039;wise&#039; men only had part of the story, yet drew firm conclutions and gave confident answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make sure you have acurate and thorough information.  And find out why your &#8216;wise&#8217; men only had part of the story, yet drew firm conclutions and gave confident answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6271</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(...since that is usually the way we use parables now days).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(&#8230;since that is usually the way we use parables now days).</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/28/the-parable-of-the-elephant/#comment-6270</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it means you should support my political positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it means you should support my political positions.</p>
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