Comments on: What Do Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight Have in Common? http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/ A weekly podcast exploring Mormon culture and current events. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Faith http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-95450 Faith Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:41:53 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-95450 <strong>Faith...</strong> an interesting take on a fun topic.... Faith…

an interesting take on a fun topic….

]]> By: Faana Wily http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-75242 Faana Wily Mon, 18 May 2009 03:25:57 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-75242 I agree with Miriam Feldstein Case's reply -very very true ! I agree with Miriam Feldstein Case’s reply -very very true !

]]> By: Steve Nelson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-66608 Steve Nelson Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:42:25 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-66608 Who cares? Who cares?

]]> By: d p http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-55845 d p Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:50:33 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-55845 My apologies if I have sent this twice Grammy Award winning Gladys Knight in concert February 11, 2009 Kingsbury Hall, University of Utah Campus Salt Lake City, UT www.kingsburyhall.org 801-581-7100 My apologies if I have sent this twice

Grammy Award winning
Gladys Knight in concert
February 11, 2009
Kingsbury Hall, University of Utah Campus
Salt Lake City, UT
http://www.kingsburyhall.org
801-581-7100

]]> By: Kim Reece-Lairson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-47886 Kim Reece-Lairson Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:25:13 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-47886 Joseph Smith and GLadys KNight are both happy! Joseph Smith and GLadys KNight are both happy!

]]> By: Miriam Feldstein Case http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-18780 Miriam Feldstein Case Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:01:52 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-18780 Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight both believe that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world, and the true church of Jesus Christ has been restored. They believe that The Book of Mormon is the word of God, and man can get nearer to God by abiding by the precepts there in. Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight both believe that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world, and the true church of Jesus Christ has been restored. They believe that The Book of Mormon is the word of God, and man can get nearer to God by abiding by the precepts there in.

]]> By: Andrew Ainsworth http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6711 Andrew Ainsworth Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:57:59 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6711 "More ominously, should there be so many kinds of us?" Yes, it is both healthy and natural. We're the body of Christ. Each part is useful and necessary, and benefits the others (so long as they're not ignored, neglected, or abused). “More ominously, should there be so many kinds of us?”

Yes, it is both healthy and natural. We’re the body of Christ. Each part is useful and necessary, and benefits the others (so long as they’re not ignored, neglected, or abused).

]]> By: John Hamer http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6707 John Hamer Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:44:41 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6707 What do the Apostle Peter and Frank Sinatra have in common? They are both members of an institution which has historical continuity --- the Holy Universal Catholic Church --- connected minute by minute, era by era, from the present day back to the moment the Church was founded by the Apostles, in the wake of Jesus's death. However, institutional historical continuity aside, the Catholic Church of today has little in common with the early Christian church of the 30s AD. Likewise, the LDS church through time has less and less in common with the early Mormon church of Joseph Smith's era. There is a fair amount of institutional historical continuity, but two churches are radically different and inevitably drift further apart --- as the historic church remains fixed and the living church evolves. What do the Apostle Peter and Frank Sinatra have in common? They are both members of an institution which has historical continuity — the Holy Universal Catholic Church — connected minute by minute, era by era, from the present day back to the moment the Church was founded by the Apostles, in the wake of Jesus’s death. However, institutional historical continuity aside, the Catholic Church of today has little in common with the early Christian church of the 30s AD.

Likewise, the LDS church through time has less and less in common with the early Mormon church of Joseph Smith’s era. There is a fair amount of institutional historical continuity, but two churches are radically different and inevitably drift further apart — as the historic church remains fixed and the living church evolves.

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]]> By: John http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6367 John Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:21:20 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6367 Prophets, like J. Smith, tend to found religious movements. As with Adventist prophet Ellen White: http://adventistsnotcult.blogspot.com/2008/08/divine-gift-of-prophecy-call-for.html Prophets, like J. Smith, tend to found religious movements. As with Adventist prophet Ellen White:

http://adventistsnotcult.blogspot.com/2008/08/divine-gift-of-prophecy-call-for.html

]]> By: Stephen Marsh http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6361 Stephen Marsh Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:46:35 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6361 They both believed in joy? They both believed in joy?

]]> By: John Nilsson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6360 John Nilsson Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:30:50 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6360 Both of their names have been spoken of for good and evil in all nations! Both of their names have been spoken of for good and evil in all nations!

]]> By: John Nilsson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6359 John Nilsson Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:24:45 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6359 The guessing game continues...that's as true as dpc's guess. Hmmm.... The guessing game continues…that’s as true as dpc’s guess. Hmmm….

]]> By: Jeff Spector http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6357 Jeff Spector Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:20:57 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6357 John, A child bride, eh? :) What Do Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight Have in Common? They are both converts? John,

A child bride, eh? :)

What Do Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight Have in Common?

They are both converts?

]]> By: John Nilsson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6355 John Nilsson Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:40:57 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6355 I only wish. It was some kind of roadshow. My wife, sister-in-law, and father-in-law are all Mormon celebrities though. They're depicted in the painting "Behold Your Little Ones" by David Lindsley which shows Christ blessing the Nephite children in the New World. I think that's my only indirect claim to Mormon kitsch fame. My wife is the one wrapped in the green and white striped towel kneeling at Christ's feet, my sister-in-law is looking up at Christ with her arm outstretched in the foreground, and their father is barely discernible in the background looking at the angels. http://josephsmith.net/josephsmith/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=26ea0fbab57f0010VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD&vgnextfmt=tab3&locale=0 I only wish. It was some kind of roadshow.

My wife, sister-in-law, and father-in-law are all Mormon celebrities though. They’re depicted in the painting “Behold Your Little Ones” by David Lindsley which shows Christ blessing the Nephite children in the New World. I think that’s my only indirect claim to Mormon kitsch fame. My wife is the one wrapped in the green and white striped towel kneeling at Christ’s feet, my sister-in-law is looking up at Christ with her arm outstretched in the foreground, and their father is barely discernible in the background looking at the angels.
http://josephsmith.net/josephsmith/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=26ea0fbab57f0010VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD&vgnextfmt=tab3&locale=0

]]> By: Nick Literski http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6352 Nick Literski Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:18:43 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6352 John, are you saying you were one of the kids in the commercial? John, are you saying you were one of the kids in the commercial?

]]> By: John Nilsson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6350 John Nilsson Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:55:19 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6350 Speaking of shared experiences, I remember rehearsing this song with other Primary kids on a darkened cultural hall stage...it was an interesting way of making lying seem horribly physically debilitating while being fun to sing at the same time for the histrionics we were encouraged to put into "dying" and all that. Speaking of shared experiences, I remember rehearsing this song with other Primary kids on a darkened cultural hall stage…it was an interesting way of making lying seem horribly physically debilitating while being fun to sing at the same time for the histrionics we were encouraged to put into “dying” and all that.

]]> By: Nick Literski http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6348 Nick Literski Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:46:01 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6348 I don't remember ever seeing that commercial on television, but WOW...that has to be the single WORST commercial ever produced by the LDS church! LOL!!! I don’t remember ever seeing that commercial on television, but WOW…that has to be the single WORST commercial ever produced by the LDS church! LOL!!!

]]> By: John Nilsson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6347 John Nilsson Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:41:45 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6347 Mark IV, Paraphrasing a line from "What about Bob?": "So let me get this straight, you have a multi-phobic, almost paralyzed personality, and yet your wife didn't leave you, you LEFT HER BECAUSE SHE LIKES NEIL DIAMOND!?" Let's all take that Midnight Train to Georgia, brothers and sisters! dpc, I almost despise you for bringing up Johnny Lingo. The rest of my day will be filled with the memory of surf guitar and eight-cow women. Shared experience, like the commercial I shared above, is one thing we all have in common. I guess I wonder about Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight, though. Historical continuity in Mormonism being what it is and isn't, I wonder how much their thought worlds coincided. Both of them, to be fair, seem to be open in their dealings with all races...Are we inventing continuity? Is it meaningful to say Joseph and Gladys belong to the same religion, for instance? Mark IV,

Paraphrasing a line from “What about Bob?”:

“So let me get this straight, you have a multi-phobic, almost paralyzed personality, and yet your wife didn’t leave you, you LEFT HER BECAUSE SHE LIKES NEIL DIAMOND!?”

Let’s all take that Midnight Train to Georgia, brothers and sisters!

dpc,

I almost despise you for bringing up Johnny Lingo. The rest of my day will be filled with the memory of surf guitar and eight-cow women.

Shared experience, like the commercial I shared above, is one thing we all have in common. I guess I wonder about Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight, though. Historical continuity in Mormonism being what it is and isn’t, I wonder how much their thought worlds coincided. Both of them, to be fair, seem to be open in their dealings with all races…Are we inventing continuity? Is it meaningful to say Joseph and Gladys belong to the same religion, for instance?

]]> By: Mark IV http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6345 Mark IV Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:32:32 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6345 There are only two kinds of people in the world: People who like Gladys Knight's music, and the rest of the scum that doesn't. There are only two kinds of people in the world:

People who like Gladys Knight’s music, and the rest of the scum that doesn’t.

]]> By: dpc http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6344 dpc Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:32:25 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6344 John: Sorry, I couldn't resist. On a more serious note, I think the similarities have to do with shared experiences. From the most faithful, GA-quoting member to the bitterest ex-Mormon apostate, we have all had similar experiences within the broader Mormon culture. I can say "Johnny Lingo" and most everyone will have an image of watching the 1960s movie at some point in their life. The culture is what binds us all together, regardless of our own personal doctrinal views. John:

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

On a more serious note, I think the similarities have to do with shared experiences. From the most faithful, GA-quoting member to the bitterest ex-Mormon apostate, we have all had similar experiences within the broader Mormon culture. I can say “Johnny Lingo” and most everyone will have an image of watching the 1960s movie at some point in their life. The culture is what binds us all together, regardless of our own personal doctrinal views.

]]> By: John Nilsson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6343 John Nilsson Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:21:56 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6343 Good try. I was afraid that was the answer. Good try. I was afraid that was the answer.

]]> By: dpc http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6341 dpc Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:15:06 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/29/what-do-joseph-smith-and-gladys-knight-have-in-common/#comment-6341 What do Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight have in common? They both have six letters in their first names...? What do Joseph Smith and Gladys Knight have in common?

They both have six letters in their first names…?

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