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		<title>By: Kymberlycall@yahoo.com</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-160030</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, I still take my diet coke into church functions. I just disguise them in refillable cups! I have even taken a can into a bathroom stall on Sunday to gulp down after YW. When in Rome...or Utah. Say hi to your mom. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I still take my diet coke into church functions. I just disguise them in refillable cups! I have even taken a can into a bathroom stall on Sunday to gulp down after YW. When in Rome&#8230;or Utah. Say hi to your mom. </p>
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		<title>By: Zelophehad&#8217;s Daughters &#124; My Nacle Notebook 2008: Funny comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelophehad&#8217;s Daughters &#124; My Nacle Notebook 2008: Funny comments</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Andy Munzer: I drink Red Bull. It helps me to do important work to get my education, like the Prophet asked us to do. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mormon Coffee at Mormon Matters &#124; Green Tea Fat Burner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mormon Coffee at Mormon Matters &#124; Green Tea Fat Burner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mormon Coffee at Mormon Matters   Posted by root 3 hours ago (http://mormonmatters.org)        Green tea 15 mg caffeine same tea leaf as brown or black tea only not oxidized yet getting worked up over diet soda while wolfing down deep fat fried i appear to have a comment held up in moderation that needs to be seen by however other studies have show        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; Mormon Coffee at Mormon Matters [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ldsgirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very rarely have caffeinated sodas.  When I do it&#039;s used as medicine to treat a migraine or to help calm nausea (colas are great for nausea).  Just wanted to share the most current word from the church that I have found (found it when I was to give a lesson on the Word of Wisdom to the youth in Sunday School).

The most current Church literature relating to the question is found in a Priesthood Bulletin statement dated February 1972: Volume 8, number 1, subheaded 6, paragraph 2:

“With reference to cola drinks, the Church has never officially taken a position on this matter, but the leaders of the Church have advised, and we do now specifically advise, against the use of any drink containing harmful habit-forming drugs under circumstances that would result in acquiring the habit. Any beverage that contains ingredients harmful to the body should be avoided.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very rarely have caffeinated sodas.  When I do it&#8217;s used as medicine to treat a migraine or to help calm nausea (colas are great for nausea).  Just wanted to share the most current word from the church that I have found (found it when I was to give a lesson on the Word of Wisdom to the youth in Sunday School).</p>
<p>The most current Church literature relating to the question is found in a Priesthood Bulletin statement dated February 1972: Volume 8, number 1, subheaded 6, paragraph 2:</p>
<p>“With reference to cola drinks, the Church has never officially taken a position on this matter, but the leaders of the Church have advised, and we do now specifically advise, against the use of any drink containing harmful habit-forming drugs under circumstances that would result in acquiring the habit. Any beverage that contains ingredients harmful to the body should be avoided.”</p>
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		<title>By: wayfarer</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-22103</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life&#039;s for living,but my bodies a temple.So,two sodas max per week and desert only when I really,really want it.I thought that was what the word of wisdom was about.I get that few of us ever get the rest we need and that we need our pleasures,but I understood this body to be a stewardship for which i have to account.Just trying to do my best here.
Also,it&#039;s a very long time ago now ,but in the 70s i seem to remember there being some letter from the first presidency that was read to us as youth discouraging the drinking of caffeinated  and  cola drinks-anyone else go back that far?
And-I wonder how the use of coca leaf and betel nut will play as the church grows in the developing world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life&#8217;s for living,but my bodies a temple.So,two sodas max per week and desert only when I really,really want it.I thought that was what the word of wisdom was about.I get that few of us ever get the rest we need and that we need our pleasures,but I understood this body to be a stewardship for which i have to account.Just trying to do my best here.<br />
Also,it&#8217;s a very long time ago now ,but in the 70s i seem to remember there being some letter from the first presidency that was read to us as youth discouraging the drinking of caffeinated  and  cola drinks-anyone else go back that far?<br />
And-I wonder how the use of coca leaf and betel nut will play as the church grows in the developing world?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Taylor</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-16760</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents had me drinking frappuccinos from toddlerhood on, but only on hot days, as a special treat. Never had any problem with them. My mother, however, was an extreme coffee addict and one of her concerns about converting was that she wouldn&#039;t be able to give up the drink. She used to have probably a coffee an hour, but she hasn&#039;t touched it since she prayed about it and got the answer that she needed to stop.

Even after I converted, I never had a problem with soda, because it gives me a painful fizzy feeling in my nose. I will occasionally have a caffeine-free root beer or shirley temple, though, and haven&#039;t suffered any ill-effects from these, despite my high susceptibility to migraines. I&#039;ve had a few delicious frappuccinos, too, and felt the spiritual guilt afterward. The last time I was faced with the choice of getting a coffee, I got a caramel macchiato--hold the espresso shots--basically steamed milk with caramel. I was greatly enjoying the drink and my &quot;spiritual triumph&quot; until I remembered my milk protein allergy. Needless to say my body did not forgive me for a while.

What I mean to convey here is, you just can&#039;t win sometimes. So to every man his own, I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents had me drinking frappuccinos from toddlerhood on, but only on hot days, as a special treat. Never had any problem with them. My mother, however, was an extreme coffee addict and one of her concerns about converting was that she wouldn&#8217;t be able to give up the drink. She used to have probably a coffee an hour, but she hasn&#8217;t touched it since she prayed about it and got the answer that she needed to stop.</p>
<p>Even after I converted, I never had a problem with soda, because it gives me a painful fizzy feeling in my nose. I will occasionally have a caffeine-free root beer or shirley temple, though, and haven&#8217;t suffered any ill-effects from these, despite my high susceptibility to migraines. I&#8217;ve had a few delicious frappuccinos, too, and felt the spiritual guilt afterward. The last time I was faced with the choice of getting a coffee, I got a caramel macchiato&#8211;hold the espresso shots&#8211;basically steamed milk with caramel. I was greatly enjoying the drink and my &#8220;spiritual triumph&#8221; until I remembered my milk protein allergy. Needless to say my body did not forgive me for a while.</p>
<p>What I mean to convey here is, you just can&#8217;t win sometimes. So to every man his own, I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Rigel Hawthorne</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-15763</link>
		<dc:creator>Rigel Hawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Andrew and thanks for the follow-up.  I need give up late night blogging on MoMatters, and then maybe I could wake up feeling refreshed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Andrew and thanks for the follow-up.  I need give up late night blogging on MoMatters, and then maybe I could wake up feeling refreshed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-15758</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone interested in following the continuing saga, I thought I&#039;d mention that tomorrow it will be two weeks since I&#039;ve consumed any caffeinated beverage (see my comment  72 above).  The first two days off the sauce was difficult.  I basically had headaches for two days, and was really tired and grouchy.  But after that, I woke up the next day at 5 a.m. feeling completely refreshed and ready to go, which is extremely, extremely unusual for me.  I immediately began doing yard work (it was a Saturday), and by noon I was done with all the chores I needed to do that day.

That&#039;s the biggest thing I&#039;ve noticed so far now that I&#039;m off diet Coke: I wake up feeling well rested in the mornings.  I used to wake up and feel like a train had just run over me.  I never used to feel well rested waking up in the morning.  Instead, I was always in a groggy haze until lunchtime when I&#039;d have my Diet Coke.  It&#039;s like my body was waiting until noon to wake up each day.  Now, my body wakes up in the morning when I need it to.

I&#039;ve also noticed that my energy level is more constant all day long, instead of peaks and valleys that are dependent on my caffeine intake.

I also don&#039;t get grouchy when I don&#039;t get my caffeine fix at the noon hour like I used to.

At this point, I&#039;m determined to stay off the sauce for life.  Not because I fear any divine consequences if I fail to do so, but just because for me it seems . . . wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone interested in following the continuing saga, I thought I&#8217;d mention that tomorrow it will be two weeks since I&#8217;ve consumed any caffeinated beverage (see my comment  72 above).  The first two days off the sauce was difficult.  I basically had headaches for two days, and was really tired and grouchy.  But after that, I woke up the next day at 5 a.m. feeling completely refreshed and ready to go, which is extremely, extremely unusual for me.  I immediately began doing yard work (it was a Saturday), and by noon I was done with all the chores I needed to do that day.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the biggest thing I&#8217;ve noticed so far now that I&#8217;m off diet Coke: I wake up feeling well rested in the mornings.  I used to wake up and feel like a train had just run over me.  I never used to feel well rested waking up in the morning.  Instead, I was always in a groggy haze until lunchtime when I&#8217;d have my Diet Coke.  It&#8217;s like my body was waiting until noon to wake up each day.  Now, my body wakes up in the morning when I need it to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed that my energy level is more constant all day long, instead of peaks and valleys that are dependent on my caffeine intake.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t get grouchy when I don&#8217;t get my caffeine fix at the noon hour like I used to.</p>
<p>At this point, I&#8217;m determined to stay off the sauce for life.  Not because I fear any divine consequences if I fail to do so, but just because for me it seems . . . wise.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14505</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t resist a little visit to Snopes.  Here&#039;s another reason to avoid coffee.  Apparently, it has been proven that a disgruntled co-worker made it a practice to urinate in the community coffee pot to get back at &quot;the man.&quot;  Of course, if the rationale to avoid coffee is &quot;communal access&quot; I suppose the snack mix in the Crown room is out along with most dips at parties (and from what I have read, they should be outlawed).  It would take pretty good aim and a very specific grudge to urinate in my can of diet coke.  Probably impossible for a woman to get even with me this way.  Also, &quot;sun tea&quot; can harbor dangerous bacteria.  True story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t resist a little visit to Snopes.  Here&#8217;s another reason to avoid coffee.  Apparently, it has been proven that a disgruntled co-worker made it a practice to urinate in the community coffee pot to get back at &#8220;the man.&#8221;  Of course, if the rationale to avoid coffee is &#8220;communal access&#8221; I suppose the snack mix in the Crown room is out along with most dips at parties (and from what I have read, they should be outlawed).  It would take pretty good aim and a very specific grudge to urinate in my can of diet coke.  Probably impossible for a woman to get even with me this way.  Also, &#8220;sun tea&#8221; can harbor dangerous bacteria.  True story.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Larsen</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14503</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents were big-time Coke drinkers when I was kid, so I never had a cola hang-up.  When I was teenager, however, they gave it up cold turkey and was never again seen in our home.  Still to this day, my mother clucks her tongue when she sees me with a Diet Coke. 

I am 100% addicted to the stuff.  Over the years, I&#039;ve quit for periods of time.  Not for Word of Wisdom reasons, but for general health reasons (as deatiled above).  It never sticks.  However, we have a strict &quot;no soda in the fridge&quot; rule, meaning we&#039;ll drink when we eat out, but won&#039;t stock any at home.  The idea is that we don&#039;t want out small one to get a taste for soda yet.  It&#039;s ultimately a losing battle, but we&#039;re fighting the good fight now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents were big-time Coke drinkers when I was kid, so I never had a cola hang-up.  When I was teenager, however, they gave it up cold turkey and was never again seen in our home.  Still to this day, my mother clucks her tongue when she sees me with a Diet Coke. </p>
<p>I am 100% addicted to the stuff.  Over the years, I&#8217;ve quit for periods of time.  Not for Word of Wisdom reasons, but for general health reasons (as deatiled above).  It never sticks.  However, we have a strict &#8220;no soda in the fridge&#8221; rule, meaning we&#8217;ll drink when we eat out, but won&#8217;t stock any at home.  The idea is that we don&#8217;t want out small one to get a taste for soda yet.  It&#8217;s ultimately a losing battle, but we&#8217;re fighting the good fight now.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14498</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 23:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My name is Craig and I began serious caffiene consumption during medical school. While studying for my board exams I would take NoDoze (200mg) each morning to help me stay awake on top of the diet caffiented sodas. I am currently in my residency and use the diet Coke, DP, Mountain Dew etc to keep me going during months where I work a 30 hour shift every 5 days with 1 day off per week. I rarely resort to the NoDoze now even on call because I am more accustomed to the sleep deprivation. I am currently on a caffiene holiday, which I take as often as possible, otherwise the juice won&#039;t work when I need it. I no longer look down on my coffee drinking peers and often wonder what the difference is? Dependence, tolerance, withdrawl side effects...its all there in both. Nonetheless, I abstain from coffee and tea because thats what I was raised with and taught as a missionary. There was no committment to abstain from coke or mate cocido in the flip chart. Is it in Preach My Gospel?
I don&#039;t know about the neuro side effects mentioned above or the relationship to gout; which is more flared by cheese, meat and red wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name is Craig and I began serious caffiene consumption during medical school. While studying for my board exams I would take NoDoze (200mg) each morning to help me stay awake on top of the diet caffiented sodas. I am currently in my residency and use the diet Coke, DP, Mountain Dew etc to keep me going during months where I work a 30 hour shift every 5 days with 1 day off per week. I rarely resort to the NoDoze now even on call because I am more accustomed to the sleep deprivation. I am currently on a caffiene holiday, which I take as often as possible, otherwise the juice won&#8217;t work when I need it. I no longer look down on my coffee drinking peers and often wonder what the difference is? Dependence, tolerance, withdrawl side effects&#8230;its all there in both. Nonetheless, I abstain from coffee and tea because thats what I was raised with and taught as a missionary. There was no committment to abstain from coke or mate cocido in the flip chart. Is it in Preach My Gospel?<br />
I don&#8217;t know about the neuro side effects mentioned above or the relationship to gout; which is more flared by cheese, meat and red wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricercar</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14470</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricercar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion.  Just last week I had the rare opportunity to be in Utah AND to dine in the cafeteria in the Church Office Building.  I have never before seen a wider selection of non-diet caffeine free soda products.  Utah residents will know if this is just local, but I have never seen caffeine free sugared Coke before(one wonders what the point is without the caffeine).

As a side note, the greatest health benefit I have experienced is to drop soda in any form.  The difference is dramatic.  When the need arises to &#039;do stupid things more quickly&#039; at work, I resort to Coffee or Tea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion.  Just last week I had the rare opportunity to be in Utah AND to dine in the cafeteria in the Church Office Building.  I have never before seen a wider selection of non-diet caffeine free soda products.  Utah residents will know if this is just local, but I have never seen caffeine free sugared Coke before(one wonders what the point is without the caffeine).</p>
<p>As a side note, the greatest health benefit I have experienced is to drop soda in any form.  The difference is dramatic.  When the need arises to &#8216;do stupid things more quickly&#8217; at work, I resort to Coffee or Tea.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14463</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: dolphins &amp; plastic bottles

There is a continent-sized (at least twice the size of Texas) floating island of trash between California and Hawaii. It has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.

Speaking of urban legends, I think we should compress the toxic plastic island into that bridge to Hawaii I used to hear about in middle school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: dolphins &amp; plastic bottles</p>
<p>There is a continent-sized (at least twice the size of Texas) floating island of trash between California and Hawaii. It has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.</p>
<p>Speaking of urban legends, I think we should compress the toxic plastic island into that bridge to Hawaii I used to hear about in middle school.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch</a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14462</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: dolphins &amp; plastic bottles

There is a continent-sized (at least twice the size of Texas) floating island of trash between California and Hawaii.  It has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.

Speaking of urban legends, I think we should compress the toxic plastic island into that bridge to Hawaii I used to hear about in middle school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: dolphins &amp; plastic bottles</p>
<p>There is a continent-sized (at least twice the size of Texas) floating island of trash between California and Hawaii.  It has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.</p>
<p>Speaking of urban legends, I think we should compress the toxic plastic island into that bridge to Hawaii I used to hear about in middle school.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hawkgrrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard re: coffee &amp; tea that there are other unhealthy components (e.g. tannic acid in tea).  I also read somewhere that coffee can cause colorectal flacidity.  I&#039;m anti-flacidity in general, but it&#039;s probably just more urban legend like with diet coke &amp; aspartame.  I&#039;m just less vested in trying to disprove it.

Right now I&#039;m drinking bottled water.  I plan to recycle the bottle after, but just in case something goes awry--dolphins, this is your warning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard re: coffee &#038; tea that there are other unhealthy components (e.g. tannic acid in tea).  I also read somewhere that coffee can cause colorectal flacidity.  I&#8217;m anti-flacidity in general, but it&#8217;s probably just more urban legend like with diet coke &#038; aspartame.  I&#8217;m just less vested in trying to disprove it.</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m drinking bottled water.  I plan to recycle the bottle after, but just in case something goes awry&#8211;dolphins, this is your warning!</p>
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		<title>By: A.J.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14458</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, just gave up porn a month ago one addiction at a time please.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, just gave up porn a month ago one addiction at a time please&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14441</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks folks for the interesting and, as always, entertaining discussion.  Thought you might be interested to know that as of yesterday, you all sufficiently scared me to drop carbonated and caffeinated beverages altogether.  I simply refuse to continue to consume a substance that will embalm my liver, give me brain tumors or knee join pain (which, incidentally, I&#039;ve had for years), slur my speech, give me minor strokes, migranes, or other neurological problems, etc., etc., etc.

Hi, my name is Andrew, and I used to be a diet Coke-oholic.  I&#039;ve been clean for one day, and counting . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks folks for the interesting and, as always, entertaining discussion.  Thought you might be interested to know that as of yesterday, you all sufficiently scared me to drop carbonated and caffeinated beverages altogether.  I simply refuse to continue to consume a substance that will embalm my liver, give me brain tumors or knee join pain (which, incidentally, I&#8217;ve had for years), slur my speech, give me minor strokes, migranes, or other neurological problems, etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>Hi, my name is Andrew, and I used to be a diet Coke-oholic.  I&#8217;ve been clean for one day, and counting . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#63 - NICE, hawkgrrrl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#63 &#8211; NICE, hawkgrrrl.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14421</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:  Besides having caloric intake counters (they&#039;re really more like nutrient intake counters) in the &quot;aging&quot; strands of our DNA, we also have fluid intake counters.  The more calories we consume, the faster we age.  Likewise, the more fluids we consume, the faster we age.  (Bits get knocked off the counting strands as consumption occurs; the shorter the strands become, the more aged a cell becomes.)  So people concerned about health and drinking diet beverages should count fluid ounces as much as they count calories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:  Besides having caloric intake counters (they&#8217;re really more like nutrient intake counters) in the &#8220;aging&#8221; strands of our DNA, we also have fluid intake counters.  The more calories we consume, the faster we age.  Likewise, the more fluids we consume, the faster we age.  (Bits get knocked off the counting strands as consumption occurs; the shorter the strands become, the more aged a cell becomes.)  So people concerned about health and drinking diet beverages should count fluid ounces as much as they count calories.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14416</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what you guys are saying is that one vanity will kill you slower than another vanity.  This particular aspect of vanities is certainly something that can me measured scientifically.  But lets at least be honest about what we&#039;re measuring here, which is, which vainglorious behavior will kill you slower -- and let&#039;s not call it a &quot;benefit&quot; either way.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you guys are saying is that one vanity will kill you slower than another vanity.  This particular aspect of vanities is certainly something that can me measured scientifically.  But lets at least be honest about what we&#8217;re measuring here, which is, which vainglorious behavior will kill you slower &#8212; and let&#8217;s not call it a &#8220;benefit&#8221; either way.  <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jjackson</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14352</link>
		<dc:creator>jjackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 07:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW up here in Canada Mountain Dew has never had caffeine.

I&#039;m someone who has given up the &quot;recreational use&quot; of caffeine, but still use it when I work night shifts.  Take it like medicine....though I&#039;ve been volunteering for more night shifts.

Since Mormons aren&#039;t real common where I&#039;m from, I occasionally have someone at work look over and say &quot;Are you allowed to have that?&quot;.  I say, &quot;sure, where did you get the idea that I couldn&#039;t?&quot;  They then say something about how I don&#039;t drink coffee, I affirm that and then they say &quot;so why don&#039;t you guys drink coffee then?&quot;

I tell them that I could give them a scientific answer or the real answer, but that they probably wouldn&#039;t like the real answer.  (Of course they immediately demand the real answer)  Which is:  &quot;God told us not to.&quot;

This sends the discussion rapidly in one of two directions.  They either cut it off quickly, or they follow up with something like &quot;How do you know God told you not to drink coffee?&quot;  That&#039;s when the real fun begins.  So my nightshift helper actually leads to many gospel conversations.  Take that, uptight Mormon teetotallers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW up here in Canada Mountain Dew has never had caffeine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m someone who has given up the &#8220;recreational use&#8221; of caffeine, but still use it when I work night shifts.  Take it like medicine&#8230;.though I&#8217;ve been volunteering for more night shifts.</p>
<p>Since Mormons aren&#8217;t real common where I&#8217;m from, I occasionally have someone at work look over and say &#8220;Are you allowed to have that?&#8221;.  I say, &#8220;sure, where did you get the idea that I couldn&#8217;t?&#8221;  They then say something about how I don&#8217;t drink coffee, I affirm that and then they say &#8220;so why don&#8217;t you guys drink coffee then?&#8221;</p>
<p>I tell them that I could give them a scientific answer or the real answer, but that they probably wouldn&#8217;t like the real answer.  (Of course they immediately demand the real answer)  Which is:  &#8220;God told us not to.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sends the discussion rapidly in one of two directions.  They either cut it off quickly, or they follow up with something like &#8220;How do you know God told you not to drink coffee?&#8221;  That&#8217;s when the real fun begins.  So my nightshift helper actually leads to many gospel conversations.  Take that, uptight Mormon teetotallers!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14297</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek...benefits=low calorie &amp; sugar free drink that diabetics can drink when in low amounts costs=evidence showing hazard to liver and neurology and potential headaches and nausea according to limited and insignificant case studies.

Sorry...it is science speak. Thank you for pointing it out hawkgrrrl....I just read your response after I wrote the above.

Whenever taking any drug..cafeine included...it is about weighing the cost to benefit ratio in our minds and taking the responsibility for our choice like good sensible adults. And my choice is to hold off drinking Aspartame filled drinks as much as I can whilst the evidence is inconclusive.

However I know other medical students and doctors who choose to drink it despite the inconclusive evidence as they are willing to bear the risks which are minimal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek&#8230;benefits=low calorie &#038; sugar free drink that diabetics can drink when in low amounts costs=evidence showing hazard to liver and neurology and potential headaches and nausea according to limited and insignificant case studies.</p>
<p>Sorry&#8230;it is science speak. Thank you for pointing it out hawkgrrrl&#8230;.I just read your response after I wrote the above.</p>
<p>Whenever taking any drug..cafeine included&#8230;it is about weighing the cost to benefit ratio in our minds and taking the responsibility for our choice like good sensible adults. And my choice is to hold off drinking Aspartame filled drinks as much as I can whilst the evidence is inconclusive.</p>
<p>However I know other medical students and doctors who choose to drink it despite the inconclusive evidence as they are willing to bear the risks which are minimal.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14296</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Derek, you live in the midwest, right?  According to studies, 25-29% of people in the midwest are obese (BMI &gt;30).  You are seeing fat people ordering diet sodas to wash down their deep fat fried apple pies, and one in 3 people you are seeing are obese (perhaps more at McD&#039;s).

Health benefits certainly are there if you are substituting aspartame for high calorie alternatives.  If you can cut both out, you&#039;re probably even better off.  But a zero calorie soft drink vs. a 200 calorie soft drink?  No brainer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Derek, you live in the midwest, right?  According to studies, 25-29% of people in the midwest are obese (BMI &gt;30).  You are seeing fat people ordering diet sodas to wash down their deep fat fried apple pies, and one in 3 people you are seeing are obese (perhaps more at McD&#8217;s).</p>
<p>Health benefits certainly are there if you are substituting aspartame for high calorie alternatives.  If you can cut both out, you&#8217;re probably even better off.  But a zero calorie soft drink vs. a 200 calorie soft drink?  No brainer!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14293</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps, typo:

&quot;In my small town growing up, only McDonald’s would hire me at &lt;b&gt;15&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;

At 17 I was working network support for Internet Service Providers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps, typo:</p>
<p>&#8220;In my small town growing up, only McDonald’s would hire me at <b>15</b>.&#8221;</p>
<p>At 17 I was working network support for Internet Service Providers!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14292</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Again…data has shown that in small amounts the positive benefits of aspartame outway the negative effects.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t see how there are any &quot;positive benefits&quot; to aspartame or caffeine.  They are vanity, not benefit!  You cannot scientifically study the &quot;benefits&quot; of vanities!

In my small town growing up, only McDonald&#039;s would hire me at 17.  Only fat people (and women) ordered diet sodas with their super-sized value meal.  Nobody will convince me that a little fructose would have made these people any fatter...  If anything, Aspartame was probably making these people &quot;dumber&quot; rather than skinnier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Again…data has shown that in small amounts the positive benefits of aspartame outway the negative effects.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how there are any &#8220;positive benefits&#8221; to aspartame or caffeine.  They are vanity, not benefit!  You cannot scientifically study the &#8220;benefits&#8221; of vanities!</p>
<p>In my small town growing up, only McDonald&#8217;s would hire me at 17.  Only fat people (and women) ordered diet sodas with their super-sized value meal.  Nobody will convince me that a little fructose would have made these people any fatter&#8230;  If anything, Aspartame was probably making these people &#8220;dumber&#8221; rather than skinnier.</p>
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