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		<title>By: ldsgirl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-24204</link>
		<dc:creator>ldsgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very rarely have caffeinated sodas.  When I do it's used as medicine to treat a migraine or to help calm nausea (colas are great for nausea).  Just wanted to share the most current word from the church that I have found (found it when I was to give a lesson on the Word of Wisdom to the youth in Sunday School).

The most current Church literature relating to the question is found in a Priesthood Bulletin statement dated February 1972: Volume 8, number 1, subheaded 6, paragraph 2:

“With reference to cola drinks, the Church has never officially taken a position on this matter, but the leaders of the Church have advised, and we do now specifically advise, against the use of any drink containing harmful habit-forming drugs under circumstances that would result in acquiring the habit. Any beverage that contains ingredients harmful to the body should be avoided.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very rarely have caffeinated sodas.  When I do it&#8217;s used as medicine to treat a migraine or to help calm nausea (colas are great for nausea).  Just wanted to share the most current word from the church that I have found (found it when I was to give a lesson on the Word of Wisdom to the youth in Sunday School).</p>
<p>The most current Church literature relating to the question is found in a Priesthood Bulletin statement dated February 1972: Volume 8, number 1, subheaded 6, paragraph 2:</p>
<p>“With reference to cola drinks, the Church has never officially taken a position on this matter, but the leaders of the Church have advised, and we do now specifically advise, against the use of any drink containing harmful habit-forming drugs under circumstances that would result in acquiring the habit. Any beverage that contains ingredients harmful to the body should be avoided.”</p>
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		<title>By: wayfarer</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-22103</link>
		<dc:creator>wayfarer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life's for living,but my bodies a temple.So,two sodas max per week and desert only when I really,really want it.I thought that was what the word of wisdom was about.I get that few of us ever get the rest we need and that we need our pleasures,but I understood this body to be a stewardship for which i have to account.Just trying to do my best here.
Also,it's a very long time ago now ,but in the 70s i seem to remember there being some letter from the first presidency that was read to us as youth discouraging the drinking of caffeinated  and  cola drinks-anyone else go back that far?
And-I wonder how the use of coca leaf and betel nut will play as the church grows in the developing world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life&#8217;s for living,but my bodies a temple.So,two sodas max per week and desert only when I really,really want it.I thought that was what the word of wisdom was about.I get that few of us ever get the rest we need and that we need our pleasures,but I understood this body to be a stewardship for which i have to account.Just trying to do my best here.<br />
Also,it&#8217;s a very long time ago now ,but in the 70s i seem to remember there being some letter from the first presidency that was read to us as youth discouraging the drinking of caffeinated  and  cola drinks-anyone else go back that far?<br />
And-I wonder how the use of coca leaf and betel nut will play as the church grows in the developing world?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Taylor</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-16760</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents had me drinking frappuccinos from toddlerhood on, but only on hot days, as a special treat. Never had any problem with them. My mother, however, was an extreme coffee addict and one of her concerns about converting was that she wouldn't be able to give up the drink. She used to have probably a coffee an hour, but she hasn't touched it since she prayed about it and got the answer that she needed to stop.

Even after I converted, I never had a problem with soda, because it gives me a painful fizzy feeling in my nose. I will occasionally have a caffeine-free root beer or shirley temple, though, and haven't suffered any ill-effects from these, despite my high susceptibility to migraines. I've had a few delicious frappuccinos, too, and felt the spiritual guilt afterward. The last time I was faced with the choice of getting a coffee, I got a caramel macchiato--hold the espresso shots--basically steamed milk with caramel. I was greatly enjoying the drink and my "spiritual triumph" until I remembered my milk protein allergy. Needless to say my body did not forgive me for a while.

What I mean to convey here is, you just can't win sometimes. So to every man his own, I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents had me drinking frappuccinos from toddlerhood on, but only on hot days, as a special treat. Never had any problem with them. My mother, however, was an extreme coffee addict and one of her concerns about converting was that she wouldn&#8217;t be able to give up the drink. She used to have probably a coffee an hour, but she hasn&#8217;t touched it since she prayed about it and got the answer that she needed to stop.</p>
<p>Even after I converted, I never had a problem with soda, because it gives me a painful fizzy feeling in my nose. I will occasionally have a caffeine-free root beer or shirley temple, though, and haven&#8217;t suffered any ill-effects from these, despite my high susceptibility to migraines. I&#8217;ve had a few delicious frappuccinos, too, and felt the spiritual guilt afterward. The last time I was faced with the choice of getting a coffee, I got a caramel macchiato&#8211;hold the espresso shots&#8211;basically steamed milk with caramel. I was greatly enjoying the drink and my &#8220;spiritual triumph&#8221; until I remembered my milk protein allergy. Needless to say my body did not forgive me for a while.</p>
<p>What I mean to convey here is, you just can&#8217;t win sometimes. So to every man his own, I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Rigel Hawthorne</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-15763</link>
		<dc:creator>Rigel Hawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Andrew and thanks for the follow-up.  I need give up late night blogging on MoMatters, and then maybe I could wake up feeling refreshed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Andrew and thanks for the follow-up.  I need give up late night blogging on MoMatters, and then maybe I could wake up feeling refreshed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-15758</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone interested in following the continuing saga, I thought I'd mention that tomorrow it will be two weeks since I've consumed any caffeinated beverage (see my comment  72 above).  The first two days off the sauce was difficult.  I basically had headaches for two days, and was really tired and grouchy.  But after that, I woke up the next day at 5 a.m. feeling completely refreshed and ready to go, which is extremely, extremely unusual for me.  I immediately began doing yard work (it was a Saturday), and by noon I was done with all the chores I needed to do that day.

That's the biggest thing I've noticed so far now that I'm off diet Coke: I wake up feeling well rested in the mornings.  I used to wake up and feel like a train had just run over me.  I never used to feel well rested waking up in the morning.  Instead, I was always in a groggy haze until lunchtime when I'd have my Diet Coke.  It's like my body was waiting until noon to wake up each day.  Now, my body wakes up in the morning when I need it to.

I've also noticed that my energy level is more constant all day long, instead of peaks and valleys that are dependent on my caffeine intake.

I also don't get grouchy when I don't get my caffeine fix at the noon hour like I used to.

At this point, I'm determined to stay off the sauce for life.  Not because I fear any divine consequences if I fail to do so, but just because for me it seems . . . wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone interested in following the continuing saga, I thought I&#8217;d mention that tomorrow it will be two weeks since I&#8217;ve consumed any caffeinated beverage (see my comment  72 above).  The first two days off the sauce was difficult.  I basically had headaches for two days, and was really tired and grouchy.  But after that, I woke up the next day at 5 a.m. feeling completely refreshed and ready to go, which is extremely, extremely unusual for me.  I immediately began doing yard work (it was a Saturday), and by noon I was done with all the chores I needed to do that day.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the biggest thing I&#8217;ve noticed so far now that I&#8217;m off diet Coke: I wake up feeling well rested in the mornings.  I used to wake up and feel like a train had just run over me.  I never used to feel well rested waking up in the morning.  Instead, I was always in a groggy haze until lunchtime when I&#8217;d have my Diet Coke.  It&#8217;s like my body was waiting until noon to wake up each day.  Now, my body wakes up in the morning when I need it to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed that my energy level is more constant all day long, instead of peaks and valleys that are dependent on my caffeine intake.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t get grouchy when I don&#8217;t get my caffeine fix at the noon hour like I used to.</p>
<p>At this point, I&#8217;m determined to stay off the sauce for life.  Not because I fear any divine consequences if I fail to do so, but just because for me it seems . . . wise.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14505</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't resist a little visit to Snopes.  Here's another reason to avoid coffee.  Apparently, it has been proven that a disgruntled co-worker made it a practice to urinate in the community coffee pot to get back at "the man."  Of course, if the rationale to avoid coffee is "communal access" I suppose the snack mix in the Crown room is out along with most dips at parties (and from what I have read, they should be outlawed).  It would take pretty good aim and a very specific grudge to urinate in my can of diet coke.  Probably impossible for a woman to get even with me this way.  Also, "sun tea" can harbor dangerous bacteria.  True story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t resist a little visit to Snopes.  Here&#8217;s another reason to avoid coffee.  Apparently, it has been proven that a disgruntled co-worker made it a practice to urinate in the community coffee pot to get back at &#8220;the man.&#8221;  Of course, if the rationale to avoid coffee is &#8220;communal access&#8221; I suppose the snack mix in the Crown room is out along with most dips at parties (and from what I have read, they should be outlawed).  It would take pretty good aim and a very specific grudge to urinate in my can of diet coke.  Probably impossible for a woman to get even with me this way.  Also, &#8220;sun tea&#8221; can harbor dangerous bacteria.  True story.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Larsen</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14503</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents were big-time Coke drinkers when I was kid, so I never had a cola hang-up.  When I was teenager, however, they gave it up cold turkey and was never again seen in our home.  Still to this day, my mother clucks her tongue when she sees me with a Diet Coke. 

I am 100% addicted to the stuff.  Over the years, I've quit for periods of time.  Not for Word of Wisdom reasons, but for general health reasons (as deatiled above).  It never sticks.  However, we have a strict "no soda in the fridge" rule, meaning we'll drink when we eat out, but won't stock any at home.  The idea is that we don't want out small one to get a taste for soda yet.  It's ultimately a losing battle, but we're fighting the good fight now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents were big-time Coke drinkers when I was kid, so I never had a cola hang-up.  When I was teenager, however, they gave it up cold turkey and was never again seen in our home.  Still to this day, my mother clucks her tongue when she sees me with a Diet Coke. </p>
<p>I am 100% addicted to the stuff.  Over the years, I&#8217;ve quit for periods of time.  Not for Word of Wisdom reasons, but for general health reasons (as deatiled above).  It never sticks.  However, we have a strict &#8220;no soda in the fridge&#8221; rule, meaning we&#8217;ll drink when we eat out, but won&#8217;t stock any at home.  The idea is that we don&#8217;t want out small one to get a taste for soda yet.  It&#8217;s ultimately a losing battle, but we&#8217;re fighting the good fight now.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14498</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 23:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My name is Craig and I began serious caffiene consumption during medical school. While studying for my board exams I would take NoDoze (200mg) each morning to help me stay awake on top of the diet caffiented sodas. I am currently in my residency and use the diet Coke, DP, Mountain Dew etc to keep me going during months where I work a 30 hour shift every 5 days with 1 day off per week. I rarely resort to the NoDoze now even on call because I am more accustomed to the sleep deprivation. I am currently on a caffiene holiday, which I take as often as possible, otherwise the juice won't work when I need it. I no longer look down on my coffee drinking peers and often wonder what the difference is? Dependence, tolerance, withdrawl side effects...its all there in both. Nonetheless, I abstain from coffee and tea because thats what I was raised with and taught as a missionary. There was no committment to abstain from coke or mate cocido in the flip chart. Is it in Preach My Gospel?
I don't know about the neuro side effects mentioned above or the relationship to gout; which is more flared by cheese, meat and red wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name is Craig and I began serious caffiene consumption during medical school. While studying for my board exams I would take NoDoze (200mg) each morning to help me stay awake on top of the diet caffiented sodas. I am currently in my residency and use the diet Coke, DP, Mountain Dew etc to keep me going during months where I work a 30 hour shift every 5 days with 1 day off per week. I rarely resort to the NoDoze now even on call because I am more accustomed to the sleep deprivation. I am currently on a caffiene holiday, which I take as often as possible, otherwise the juice won&#8217;t work when I need it. I no longer look down on my coffee drinking peers and often wonder what the difference is? Dependence, tolerance, withdrawl side effects&#8230;its all there in both. Nonetheless, I abstain from coffee and tea because thats what I was raised with and taught as a missionary. There was no committment to abstain from coke or mate cocido in the flip chart. Is it in Preach My Gospel?<br />
I don&#8217;t know about the neuro side effects mentioned above or the relationship to gout; which is more flared by cheese, meat and red wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricercar</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14470</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricercar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion.  Just last week I had the rare opportunity to be in Utah AND to dine in the cafeteria in the Church Office Building.  I have never before seen a wider selection of non-diet caffeine free soda products.  Utah residents will know if this is just local, but I have never seen caffeine free sugared Coke before(one wonders what the point is without the caffeine).

As a side note, the greatest health benefit I have experienced is to drop soda in any form.  The difference is dramatic.  When the need arises to 'do stupid things more quickly' at work, I resort to Coffee or Tea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion.  Just last week I had the rare opportunity to be in Utah AND to dine in the cafeteria in the Church Office Building.  I have never before seen a wider selection of non-diet caffeine free soda products.  Utah residents will know if this is just local, but I have never seen caffeine free sugared Coke before(one wonders what the point is without the caffeine).</p>
<p>As a side note, the greatest health benefit I have experienced is to drop soda in any form.  The difference is dramatic.  When the need arises to &#8216;do stupid things more quickly&#8217; at work, I resort to Coffee or Tea.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14463</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: dolphins &#38; plastic bottles

There is a continent-sized (at least twice the size of Texas) floating island of trash between California and Hawaii. It has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.

Speaking of urban legends, I think we should compress the toxic plastic island into that bridge to Hawaii I used to hear about in middle school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: dolphins &amp; plastic bottles</p>
<p>There is a continent-sized (at least twice the size of Texas) floating island of trash between California and Hawaii. It has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.</p>
<p>Speaking of urban legends, I think we should compress the toxic plastic island into that bridge to Hawaii I used to hear about in middle school.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch');" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch</a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14462</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: dolphins &#38; plastic bottles

There is a continent-sized (at least twice the size of Texas) floating island of trash between California and Hawaii.  It has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.

Speaking of urban legends, I think we should compress the toxic plastic island into that bridge to Hawaii I used to hear about in middle school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: dolphins &amp; plastic bottles</p>
<p>There is a continent-sized (at least twice the size of Texas) floating island of trash between California and Hawaii.  It has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.</p>
<p>Speaking of urban legends, I think we should compress the toxic plastic island into that bridge to Hawaii I used to hear about in middle school.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch');" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_');" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_</a>(ecology)</p>
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		<title>By: Hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14460</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard re: coffee &#038; tea that there are other unhealthy components (e.g. tannic acid in tea).  I also read somewhere that coffee can cause colorectal flacidity.  I'm anti-flacidity in general, but it's probably just more urban legend like with diet coke &#038; aspartame.  I'm just less vested in trying to disprove it.

Right now I'm drinking bottled water.  I plan to recycle the bottle after, but just in case something goes awry--dolphins, this is your warning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard re: coffee &#038; tea that there are other unhealthy components (e.g. tannic acid in tea).  I also read somewhere that coffee can cause colorectal flacidity.  I&#8217;m anti-flacidity in general, but it&#8217;s probably just more urban legend like with diet coke &#038; aspartame.  I&#8217;m just less vested in trying to disprove it.</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m drinking bottled water.  I plan to recycle the bottle after, but just in case something goes awry&#8211;dolphins, this is your warning!</p>
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		<title>By: A.J.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14458</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, just gave up porn a month ago one addiction at a time please.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, just gave up porn a month ago one addiction at a time please&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14441</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks folks for the interesting and, as always, entertaining discussion.  Thought you might be interested to know that as of yesterday, you all sufficiently scared me to drop carbonated and caffeinated beverages altogether.  I simply refuse to continue to consume a substance that will embalm my liver, give me brain tumors or knee join pain (which, incidentally, I've had for years), slur my speech, give me minor strokes, migranes, or other neurological problems, etc., etc., etc.

Hi, my name is Andrew, and I used to be a diet Coke-oholic.  I've been clean for one day, and counting . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks folks for the interesting and, as always, entertaining discussion.  Thought you might be interested to know that as of yesterday, you all sufficiently scared me to drop carbonated and caffeinated beverages altogether.  I simply refuse to continue to consume a substance that will embalm my liver, give me brain tumors or knee join pain (which, incidentally, I&#8217;ve had for years), slur my speech, give me minor strokes, migranes, or other neurological problems, etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>Hi, my name is Andrew, and I used to be a diet Coke-oholic.  I&#8217;ve been clean for one day, and counting . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#63 - NICE, hawkgrrrl.</description>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14421</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:  Besides having caloric intake counters (they're really more like nutrient intake counters) in the "aging" strands of our DNA, we also have fluid intake counters.  The more calories we consume, the faster we age.  Likewise, the more fluids we consume, the faster we age.  (Bits get knocked off the counting strands as consumption occurs; the shorter the strands become, the more aged a cell becomes.)  So people concerned about health and drinking diet beverages should count fluid ounces as much as they count calories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:  Besides having caloric intake counters (they&#8217;re really more like nutrient intake counters) in the &#8220;aging&#8221; strands of our DNA, we also have fluid intake counters.  The more calories we consume, the faster we age.  Likewise, the more fluids we consume, the faster we age.  (Bits get knocked off the counting strands as consumption occurs; the shorter the strands become, the more aged a cell becomes.)  So people concerned about health and drinking diet beverages should count fluid ounces as much as they count calories.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14416</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what you guys are saying is that one vanity will kill you slower than another vanity.  This particular aspect of vanities is certainly something that can me measured scientifically.  But lets at least be honest about what we're measuring here, which is, which vainglorious behavior will kill you slower -- and let's not call it a "benefit" either way.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you guys are saying is that one vanity will kill you slower than another vanity.  This particular aspect of vanities is certainly something that can me measured scientifically.  But lets at least be honest about what we&#8217;re measuring here, which is, which vainglorious behavior will kill you slower &#8212; and let&#8217;s not call it a &#8220;benefit&#8221; either way.  <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jjackson</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14352</link>
		<dc:creator>jjackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 07:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW up here in Canada Mountain Dew has never had caffeine.

I'm someone who has given up the "recreational use" of caffeine, but still use it when I work night shifts.  Take it like medicine....though I've been volunteering for more night shifts.

Since Mormons aren't real common where I'm from, I occasionally have someone at work look over and say "Are you allowed to have that?".  I say, "sure, where did you get the idea that I couldn't?"  They then say something about how I don't drink coffee, I affirm that and then they say "so why don't you guys drink coffee then?"

I tell them that I could give them a scientific answer or the real answer, but that they probably wouldn't like the real answer.  (Of course they immediately demand the real answer)  Which is:  "God told us not to."

This sends the discussion rapidly in one of two directions.  They either cut it off quickly, or they follow up with something like "How do you know God told you not to drink coffee?"  That's when the real fun begins.  So my nightshift helper actually leads to many gospel conversations.  Take that, uptight Mormon teetotallers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW up here in Canada Mountain Dew has never had caffeine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m someone who has given up the &#8220;recreational use&#8221; of caffeine, but still use it when I work night shifts.  Take it like medicine&#8230;.though I&#8217;ve been volunteering for more night shifts.</p>
<p>Since Mormons aren&#8217;t real common where I&#8217;m from, I occasionally have someone at work look over and say &#8220;Are you allowed to have that?&#8221;.  I say, &#8220;sure, where did you get the idea that I couldn&#8217;t?&#8221;  They then say something about how I don&#8217;t drink coffee, I affirm that and then they say &#8220;so why don&#8217;t you guys drink coffee then?&#8221;</p>
<p>I tell them that I could give them a scientific answer or the real answer, but that they probably wouldn&#8217;t like the real answer.  (Of course they immediately demand the real answer)  Which is:  &#8220;God told us not to.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sends the discussion rapidly in one of two directions.  They either cut it off quickly, or they follow up with something like &#8220;How do you know God told you not to drink coffee?&#8221;  That&#8217;s when the real fun begins.  So my nightshift helper actually leads to many gospel conversations.  Take that, uptight Mormon teetotallers!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14297</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek...benefits=low calorie &#038; sugar free drink that diabetics can drink when in low amounts costs=evidence showing hazard to liver and neurology and potential headaches and nausea according to limited and insignificant case studies.

Sorry...it is science speak. Thank you for pointing it out hawkgrrrl....I just read your response after I wrote the above.

Whenever taking any drug..cafeine included...it is about weighing the cost to benefit ratio in our minds and taking the responsibility for our choice like good sensible adults. And my choice is to hold off drinking Aspartame filled drinks as much as I can whilst the evidence is inconclusive.

However I know other medical students and doctors who choose to drink it despite the inconclusive evidence as they are willing to bear the risks which are minimal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek&#8230;benefits=low calorie &#038; sugar free drink that diabetics can drink when in low amounts costs=evidence showing hazard to liver and neurology and potential headaches and nausea according to limited and insignificant case studies.</p>
<p>Sorry&#8230;it is science speak. Thank you for pointing it out hawkgrrrl&#8230;.I just read your response after I wrote the above.</p>
<p>Whenever taking any drug..cafeine included&#8230;it is about weighing the cost to benefit ratio in our minds and taking the responsibility for our choice like good sensible adults. And my choice is to hold off drinking Aspartame filled drinks as much as I can whilst the evidence is inconclusive.</p>
<p>However I know other medical students and doctors who choose to drink it despite the inconclusive evidence as they are willing to bear the risks which are minimal.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14296</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Derek, you live in the midwest, right?  According to studies, 25-29% of people in the midwest are obese (BMI &#62;30).  You are seeing fat people ordering diet sodas to wash down their deep fat fried apple pies, and one in 3 people you are seeing are obese (perhaps more at McD's).

Health benefits certainly are there if you are substituting aspartame for high calorie alternatives.  If you can cut both out, you're probably even better off.  But a zero calorie soft drink vs. a 200 calorie soft drink?  No brainer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Derek, you live in the midwest, right?  According to studies, 25-29% of people in the midwest are obese (BMI &gt;30).  You are seeing fat people ordering diet sodas to wash down their deep fat fried apple pies, and one in 3 people you are seeing are obese (perhaps more at McD&#8217;s).</p>
<p>Health benefits certainly are there if you are substituting aspartame for high calorie alternatives.  If you can cut both out, you&#8217;re probably even better off.  But a zero calorie soft drink vs. a 200 calorie soft drink?  No brainer!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14293</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps, typo:

"In my small town growing up, only McDonald’s would hire me at &lt;b&gt;15&lt;/b&gt;."

At 17 I was working network support for Internet Service Providers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps, typo:</p>
<p>&#8220;In my small town growing up, only McDonald’s would hire me at <b>15</b>.&#8221;</p>
<p>At 17 I was working network support for Internet Service Providers!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14292</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Again…data has shown that in small amounts the positive benefits of aspartame outway the negative effects.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't see how there are any "positive benefits" to aspartame or caffeine.  They are vanity, not benefit!  You cannot scientifically study the "benefits" of vanities!

In my small town growing up, only McDonald's would hire me at 17.  Only fat people (and women) ordered diet sodas with their super-sized value meal.  Nobody will convince me that a little fructose would have made these people any fatter...  If anything, Aspartame was probably making these people "dumber" rather than skinnier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Again…data has shown that in small amounts the positive benefits of aspartame outway the negative effects.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how there are any &#8220;positive benefits&#8221; to aspartame or caffeine.  They are vanity, not benefit!  You cannot scientifically study the &#8220;benefits&#8221; of vanities!</p>
<p>In my small town growing up, only McDonald&#8217;s would hire me at 17.  Only fat people (and women) ordered diet sodas with their super-sized value meal.  Nobody will convince me that a little fructose would have made these people any fatter&#8230;  If anything, Aspartame was probably making these people &#8220;dumber&#8221; rather than skinnier.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14291</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought my Diet Coke slurred speech was sexy.  Like a sexy middle-aged drunk.</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14288</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#61 - Nick...

I have heard case studies very similar to yours. The most significant quantitative studies on Aspartame have been done on rats and other animals. There is no way of knowing whether they suffered from headaches or other minor neurological symptoms. Again...data has shown that in small amounts the positive benefits of aspartame outway the negative effects.

Yes...we dont have signigicant data to prove your condition Nick, but you are very right to listen to your body.

Aspartame should not be singled out because sugar, E numbers, phosphoric acid in Coke(that is used by dentists to erode teeth), and other additives have shown more significant evidence for being harmful to our health...and these can also be found in sugary soft drinks along with caffeine and aspartame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#61 - Nick&#8230;</p>
<p>I have heard case studies very similar to yours. The most significant quantitative studies on Aspartame have been done on rats and other animals. There is no way of knowing whether they suffered from headaches or other minor neurological symptoms. Again&#8230;data has shown that in small amounts the positive benefits of aspartame outway the negative effects.</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;we dont have signigicant data to prove your condition Nick, but you are very right to listen to your body.</p>
<p>Aspartame should not be singled out because sugar, E numbers, phosphoric acid in Coke(that is used by dentists to erode teeth), and other additives have shown more significant evidence for being harmful to our health&#8230;and these can also be found in sugary soft drinks along with caffeine and aspartame.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Literski</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14287</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Literski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NM Tony, I believe I was clear that I had no way of knowing whether excessive aspartame consumption was the cause of my symptom.  I only know that when I stopped consuming aspartame, my symptoms alleviated over a short time period.  I've been specifically cautious about concluding causation, though in my case the correlation was sufficient to motivate avoidance of aspartame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NM Tony, I believe I was clear that I had no way of knowing whether excessive aspartame consumption was the cause of my symptom.  I only know that when I stopped consuming aspartame, my symptoms alleviated over a short time period.  I&#8217;ve been specifically cautious about concluding causation, though in my case the correlation was sufficient to motivate avoidance of aspartame.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14286</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#55 - Stephen, I like a lot of what you have say, but connecting aspartame to Rumsfeld and his ilk has nothing to do with the other (argument from prior error and guilt by association). Nor does aspartame pickle the liver. The formaldehyde will be excreted from the body through the urine, just as most toxins created through metabolism."

Unfortunately NMTony, your logic is as incorrect as your biochemistry. It is important to explain both where the drug comes from, its history and its pharmacokinetics.

Studies have shown that, in rats and subpopulations of humans Aspartame has shown to be safe when used in tiny amounts..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12180494

However other studies have show that the formaldehyde from metabolized aspartame remains in body tissue.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&#38;_udi=B6T99-3THHCW2-3&#38;_user=10&#38;_rdoc=1&#38;_fmt=&#38;_orig=search&#38;_sort=d&#38;view=c&#38;_acct=C000050221&#38;_version=1&#38;_urlVersion=0&#38;_userid=10&#38;md5=29a262ffaf7d5d51a9a051bd106648de

I am very hesitant about consuming aspartame knowing that it breaks down to formaldehyde...And although the levels are small, and the liver can repair itself, I am still somewhat hesitant given the lack of evidence and unity in the scientific community about this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#55 - Stephen, I like a lot of what you have say, but connecting aspartame to Rumsfeld and his ilk has nothing to do with the other (argument from prior error and guilt by association). Nor does aspartame pickle the liver. The formaldehyde will be excreted from the body through the urine, just as most toxins created through metabolism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately NMTony, your logic is as incorrect as your biochemistry. It is important to explain both where the drug comes from, its history and its pharmacokinetics.</p>
<p>Studies have shown that, in rats and subpopulations of humans Aspartame has shown to be safe when used in tiny amounts..<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12180494" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12180494');" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12180494</a></p>
<p>However other studies have show that the formaldehyde from metabolized aspartame remains in body tissue.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6T99-3THHCW2-3&amp;_user=10&amp;_rdoc=1&amp;_fmt=&amp;_orig=search&amp;_sort=d&amp;view=c&amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=10&amp;md5=29a262ffaf7d5d51a9a051bd106648de" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6T99-3THHCW2-3&amp;_user=10&amp;_rdoc=1&amp;_fmt=&amp;_orig=search&amp;_sort=d&amp;view=c&amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=10&amp;md5=29a262ffaf7d5d51a9a051bd106648de');" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6T99-3THHCW2-3&amp;_user=10&amp;_rdoc=1&amp;_fmt=&amp;_orig=search&amp;_sort=d&amp;view=c&amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=10&amp;md5=29a262ffaf7d5d51a9a051bd106648de</a></p>
<p>I am very hesitant about consuming aspartame knowing that it breaks down to formaldehyde&#8230;And although the levels are small, and the liver can repair itself, I am still somewhat hesitant given the lack of evidence and unity in the scientific community about this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14284</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53 - about the bottled water issue, you probably have heard this already, but it's hilarious nonetheless: 

Evian was the premier bottled water in the beginning.  Spell it backwards.  Seriously; do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53 - about the bottled water issue, you probably have heard this already, but it&#8217;s hilarious nonetheless: </p>
<p>Evian was the premier bottled water in the beginning.  Spell it backwards.  Seriously; do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Spector</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14283</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is released.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Thurston</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14279</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Thurston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM Moderators... I appear to have a comment held up in moderation that needs to be seen by my wife for her eternal salvation.  Can it be released?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM Moderators&#8230; I appear to have a comment held up in moderation that needs to be seen by my wife for her eternal salvation.  Can it be released?</p>
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		<title>By: NM Tony</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14277</link>
		<dc:creator>NM Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen this aspartame rumor run rampant on the net.  I have no problem with people avoiding it (I personally don't like the taste), but be critical of the ignorance that surrounds these rumors.  For some, like Nick, it may cause a problem, just as some people can't take aspirin or tylenol or other drugs due to allergies or bad chemistry in the blood.  But these cases are minute to say the least.  If a person is drinking 10 cans or more of a diet soda, then problems may occur, but again that is true with any sort of overindulgence.  But then again, as is possible with Nick, it can be a case of correlation/causation fallacy, or a post-hoc ergo propter hoc, or simple coincidence.  

The Ramizzini study is interesting, but it is only one study and more need to be done in order for the aspartame controversy to be taken seriously. 

Stephen, I like a lot of what you have say, but connecting aspartame to Rumsfeld and his ilk has nothing to do with the other (argument from prior error and guilt by association).  Nor does aspartame pickle the liver.  The formaldehyde will be excreted from the body through the urine, just as most toxins created through metabolism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen this aspartame rumor run rampant on the net.  I have no problem with people avoiding it (I personally don&#8217;t like the taste), but be critical of the ignorance that surrounds these rumors.  For some, like Nick, it may cause a problem, just as some people can&#8217;t take aspirin or tylenol or other drugs due to allergies or bad chemistry in the blood.  But these cases are minute to say the least.  If a person is drinking 10 cans or more of a diet soda, then problems may occur, but again that is true with any sort of overindulgence.  But then again, as is possible with Nick, it can be a case of correlation/causation fallacy, or a post-hoc ergo propter hoc, or simple coincidence.  </p>
<p>The Ramizzini study is interesting, but it is only one study and more need to be done in order for the aspartame controversy to be taken seriously. </p>
<p>Stephen, I like a lot of what you have say, but connecting aspartame to Rumsfeld and his ilk has nothing to do with the other (argument from prior error and guilt by association).  Nor does aspartame pickle the liver.  The formaldehyde will be excreted from the body through the urine, just as most toxins created through metabolism.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Thurston</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14276</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Thurston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing worse than being a Diet Coke addict is being married to a Diet Coke addict.  Besides the usual, run-of-the-mill problems that come with marriage to an addict -- the deception, the hoarding, the wild mood swings, the broken promises -- is the problem of passing addiction on to the next generation.  I'm convinced that while in utero, my three children's diet consisted primarily of Diet Coke and Wheat Thins, with the occaisional chicken breast and a leaf or two of lettuce thrown in every third or fourth day.  

Of course, then came the formative breast-feeding years, where the difference between the outflow from the local 7-11 soda fountain and my wife's breasts was likely neglible.  The Coca-Cola company could have sued my wife for not being a licensed Coca-Cola distributor.  

And it should have been no surprise that the second and third words each of my children learned, following the word "Mama," were the words "diet" and "coke."  "Dada" was a distant ninth, following the words "more please" and "on the rocks."  

So what's a father to do?  Do I just accept them for who they are... after all, they were likely "born that way."  Or do I send them all to a clinic for radical shock therapy and re-wiring?

As for my marriage, do I just accept that it has now become a polygamous threesome... my wife, the silver can, and me?  Should we re-write our vows and formally invite D.C. into the marriage... and into the bedroom?  Was George Costanza onto something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHchl4AxsE0&#38;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing worse than being a Diet Coke addict is being married to a Diet Coke addict.  Besides the usual, run-of-the-mill problems that come with marriage to an addict &#8212; the deception, the hoarding, the wild mood swings, the broken promises &#8212; is the problem of passing addiction on to the next generation.  I&#8217;m convinced that while in utero, my three children&#8217;s diet consisted primarily of Diet Coke and Wheat Thins, with the occaisional chicken breast and a leaf or two of lettuce thrown in every third or fourth day.  </p>
<p>Of course, then came the formative breast-feeding years, where the difference between the outflow from the local 7-11 soda fountain and my wife&#8217;s breasts was likely neglible.  The Coca-Cola company could have sued my wife for not being a licensed Coca-Cola distributor.  </p>
<p>And it should have been no surprise that the second and third words each of my children learned, following the word &#8220;Mama,&#8221; were the words &#8220;diet&#8221; and &#8220;coke.&#8221;  &#8220;Dada&#8221; was a distant ninth, following the words &#8220;more please&#8221; and &#8220;on the rocks.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So what&#8217;s a father to do?  Do I just accept them for who they are&#8230; after all, they were likely &#8220;born that way.&#8221;  Or do I send them all to a clinic for radical shock therapy and re-wiring?</p>
<p>As for my marriage, do I just accept that it has now become a polygamous threesome&#8230; my wife, the silver can, and me?  Should we re-write our vows and formally invite D.C. into the marriage&#8230; and into the bedroom?  Was George Costanza onto something:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHchl4AxsE0&amp;feature=related" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHchl4AxsE0&amp;feature=related');" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHchl4AxsE0&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Spector</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14275</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that everything Americas do (and many Europeans, for that matter) is driven by advertising/consumerism messaging. Bottled water is one of those phenomenas. Over in Europe, bottled water is the norm, but I suppose it is an outgrowth of not having safe water to drink. I really don't know.

In the US, it has been a purely Madison Avenue-driven thing.  Even though we get our own water from a well, we have a garage full of Sam's Club and Kirtland water, just in case. Americans now can't be without a cell phone and a bottle of water at the ready at all times, even at Church. (that was another post)

We pay $2 (£1) for a 20oz bottle of water that has about $.05 worth of water in it. It's nuts.

But, you guys are scaring me into laying off the soda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that everything Americas do (and many Europeans, for that matter) is driven by advertising/consumerism messaging. Bottled water is one of those phenomenas. Over in Europe, bottled water is the norm, but I suppose it is an outgrowth of not having safe water to drink. I really don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>In the US, it has been a purely Madison Avenue-driven thing.  Even though we get our own water from a well, we have a garage full of Sam&#8217;s Club and Kirtland water, just in case. Americans now can&#8217;t be without a cell phone and a bottle of water at the ready at all times, even at Church. (that was another post)</p>
<p>We pay $2 (£1) for a 20oz bottle of water that has about $.05 worth of water in it. It&#8217;s nuts.</p>
<p>But, you guys are scaring me into laying off the soda.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeGT</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14274</link>
		<dc:creator>GeorgeGT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone mentioned migranes and it triggered something for me. I forgot to mention the primary reason we keep Mt. Dew in the house at all times.

Several years ago, I was Elders Quorum Pres and was meeting with the Stake Pres on business. My wife was at home with a migrane and we started talking about it. He reached into his desk there at the Stake Center and pulled out a 2-liter bottle of Mt. Dew. Seems he gets migranes every month or so. He finds that taking advil or tylonol, along with large amounts of Mt Dew will kill the migrane if he catches it soon enough. The theory was that that Mt Dew opens up the pathways allowing the medicine to quickly get to where it needed to.

So... I went home and spread the word. Both my wife and daughter get migranes. They started doing this. Right on the onset of a migrane, they pop several advil and chug the Mt. Dew. Migrane turns from a 2 day knock-down fight to a 2 hour lay-down with the drapes closed. It has truly been a wonder drug in our home. We keep an emergency (I can't use it) stash of Mt Dew in each car, the RV, and in the pantry.

It works great and was suggested by my priesthood leader for drinking. Now, I think you can all use that advice and take it that the church now approves and encourages frequent drinking of Mt Dew. However, it was not cola....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone mentioned migranes and it triggered something for me. I forgot to mention the primary reason we keep Mt. Dew in the house at all times.</p>
<p>Several years ago, I was Elders Quorum Pres and was meeting with the Stake Pres on business. My wife was at home with a migrane and we started talking about it. He reached into his desk there at the Stake Center and pulled out a 2-liter bottle of Mt. Dew. Seems he gets migranes every month or so. He finds that taking advil or tylonol, along with large amounts of Mt Dew will kill the migrane if he catches it soon enough. The theory was that that Mt Dew opens up the pathways allowing the medicine to quickly get to where it needed to.</p>
<p>So&#8230; I went home and spread the word. Both my wife and daughter get migranes. They started doing this. Right on the onset of a migrane, they pop several advil and chug the Mt. Dew. Migrane turns from a 2 day knock-down fight to a 2 hour lay-down with the drapes closed. It has truly been a wonder drug in our home. We keep an emergency (I can&#8217;t use it) stash of Mt Dew in each car, the RV, and in the pantry.</p>
<p>It works great and was suggested by my priesthood leader for drinking. Now, I think you can all use that advice and take it that the church now approves and encourages frequent drinking of Mt Dew. However, it was not cola&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Just for Quix</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14270</link>
		<dc:creator>Just for Quix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don't even need 10 "cans" a day of water in most cases. Proper hydration is important, but the excessiveness to which Americans have ascribed to water hydration have shown little to no health benefit for most persons, though it certainly benefits many bottled water companies what with the American huge preference for such products. High water cravings are often a side effect of poor nutrition and over consumption of caffeine, HFCS and refined carbohydrates -- and even diabetes or diabetes early onset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t even need 10 &#8220;cans&#8221; a day of water in most cases. Proper hydration is important, but the excessiveness to which Americans have ascribed to water hydration have shown little to no health benefit for most persons, though it certainly benefits many bottled water companies what with the American huge preference for such products. High water cravings are often a side effect of poor nutrition and over consumption of caffeine, HFCS and refined carbohydrates &#8212; and even diabetes or diabetes early onset.</p>
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		<title>By: green mormon architect</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14267</link>
		<dc:creator>green mormon architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty interesting discussion about aspartame.

I would say that drinking 10 cans of anything a day would be bad for you (except water).  There is definitely need to lessen our levels of consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty interesting discussion about aspartame.</p>
<p>I would say that drinking 10 cans of anything a day would be bad for you (except water).  There is definitely need to lessen our levels of consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Thurston</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14266</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Thurston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing worse than being a Diet Coke addict is being married to a Diet Coke addict.  Besides the usual, run-of-the-mill problems that come with marriage to an addict -- the deception, the hoarding, the wild mood swings, the broken promises -- is the problem of passing addiction on to the next generation.  I'm convinced that while in utero, my three children's diet consisted primarily of Diet Coke and Wheat Thins, with the occaisional chicken breast and a leaf or two of lettuce thrown in every third or fourth day.  

Of course, then came the formative breast-feeding years, where the difference between the outflow from the local 7-11 soda fountain and my wife's breasts was likely neglible.  The Coca-Cola company could have sued my wife for not being a licensed Coca-Cola distributor.  

And it should have been no surprise that the second and third words each of my children learned, following the word "Mama," were the words "diet" and "coke."  "Dada" was a distant ninth, following the words "more please" and "on the rocks."  

So what's a father to do?  Do I just accept them for who they are... after all, they were likely "born that way."  Or do I send them all to a clinic for radical shock therapy and re-wiring?

As for my marriage, do I just accept that it has now become a polygamous threesome... my wife, the silver can, and me?  Should we re-write our vows and formally invite D.C. into the marriage... and into the bedroom?  Was George Costanza onto something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHchl4AxsE0&#38;feature=related  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLKhJnKrf9M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing worse than being a Diet Coke addict is being married to a Diet Coke addict.  Besides the usual, run-of-the-mill problems that come with marriage to an addict &#8212; the deception, the hoarding, the wild mood swings, the broken promises &#8212; is the problem of passing addiction on to the next generation.  I&#8217;m convinced that while in utero, my three children&#8217;s diet consisted primarily of Diet Coke and Wheat Thins, with the occaisional chicken breast and a leaf or two of lettuce thrown in every third or fourth day.  </p>
<p>Of course, then came the formative breast-feeding years, where the difference between the outflow from the local 7-11 soda fountain and my wife&#8217;s breasts was likely neglible.  The Coca-Cola company could have sued my wife for not being a licensed Coca-Cola distributor.  </p>
<p>And it should have been no surprise that the second and third words each of my children learned, following the word &#8220;Mama,&#8221; were the words &#8220;diet&#8221; and &#8220;coke.&#8221;  &#8220;Dada&#8221; was a distant ninth, following the words &#8220;more please&#8221; and &#8220;on the rocks.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So what&#8217;s a father to do?  Do I just accept them for who they are&#8230; after all, they were likely &#8220;born that way.&#8221;  Or do I send them all to a clinic for radical shock therapy and re-wiring?</p>
<p>As for my marriage, do I just accept that it has now become a polygamous threesome&#8230; my wife, the silver can, and me?  Should we re-write our vows and formally invite D.C. into the marriage&#8230; and into the bedroom?  Was George Costanza onto something:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHchl4AxsE0&amp;feature=related" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHchl4AxsE0&amp;feature=related');" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHchl4AxsE0&amp;feature=related</a>  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLKhJnKrf9M" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLKhJnKrf9M');" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLKhJnKrf9M</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14258</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Literski,

I totally agree with you about Aspartame. Monsanto produced Aspartame. It took them 7 times over many years to get it through the FDA (without modifying it) and they were succesful on their final run with Donald Rumsfeld as Chief Operating Officer as soon as Reagan became President and Bush Snr. as VP.

I personally avoid aspartame as much as I do caffeine.

The evidence shows that Aspartame cannot be broken down by the liver and ends up as formaldehyde...basically embalming your liver whilst it is inside you.

The evidence from trials does show that in rats small doses are rather safe and tumors do not come in the rats until high doses..doses that are inconceivable in diet drinks. But I have heard that nausea and headaches are common with use amongst diet soda drinkers who drink alot in a day about 6 to 10 cans day or something crazy like that.

Personally...I stay away from aspartame and caffeine as much as I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Literski,</p>
<p>I totally agree with you about Aspartame. Monsanto produced Aspartame. It took them 7 times over many years to get it through the FDA (without modifying it) and they were succesful on their final run with Donald Rumsfeld as Chief Operating Officer as soon as Reagan became President and Bush Snr. as VP.</p>
<p>I personally avoid aspartame as much as I do caffeine.</p>
<p>The evidence shows that Aspartame cannot be broken down by the liver and ends up as formaldehyde&#8230;basically embalming your liver whilst it is inside you.</p>
<p>The evidence from trials does show that in rats small doses are rather safe and tumors do not come in the rats until high doses..doses that are inconceivable in diet drinks. But I have heard that nausea and headaches are common with use amongst diet soda drinkers who drink alot in a day about 6 to 10 cans day or something crazy like that.</p>
<p>Personally&#8230;I stay away from aspartame and caffeine as much as I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Literski</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14257</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Literski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to echo the concerns about excessive consumption of aspartame.  Nearly a year ago, I gave up my raging Mountain Dew habit, and was drinking a few Coke Zero a day (I like it better than Diet Coke, can't quite say why).  After a couple months of this, I began to be worry that I may have suffered a minor stroke, as I was beginning to have speech problems, as if my mouth just wouldn't respond quickly to form words.  I mentioned my concern to my best friend, and he pointed out my recent switch to diet sodas, along with what he knew of potential aspartame effects.  Honestly, I thought that sounded a little nuts, but after some searching on the Internet, I found that "slurred speech" showed up among many other symptoms of aspartame "poisoning."  I discontinued the use of aspartame, and the speech problems soon went away.  I now drink only an occasional diet soda, without such issues.  Maybe the speech effect was just coincidental, but it's made me careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to echo the concerns about excessive consumption of aspartame.  Nearly a year ago, I gave up my raging Mountain Dew habit, and was drinking a few Coke Zero a day (I like it better than Diet Coke, can&#8217;t quite say why).  After a couple months of this, I began to be worry that I may have suffered a minor stroke, as I was beginning to have speech problems, as if my mouth just wouldn&#8217;t respond quickly to form words.  I mentioned my concern to my best friend, and he pointed out my recent switch to diet sodas, along with what he knew of potential aspartame effects.  Honestly, I thought that sounded a little nuts, but after some searching on the Internet, I found that &#8220;slurred speech&#8221; showed up among many other symptoms of aspartame &#8220;poisoning.&#8221;  I discontinued the use of aspartame, and the speech problems soon went away.  I now drink only an occasional diet soda, without such issues.  Maybe the speech effect was just coincidental, but it&#8217;s made me careful.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14255</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know mechanics sometimes use coke to clean car engines ? I personally feel like a cup of black coffee (no sugar/cream) is better for you in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know mechanics sometimes use coke to clean car engines ? I personally feel like a cup of black coffee (no sugar/cream) is better for you in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14252</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#40 - Amen, and Amen.  It just kills me when people who are trying to lose weight drink syrup-laden sodas.  (or who buy a Double Whopper with Cheese and a Diet Coke)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40 - Amen, and Amen.  It just kills me when people who are trying to lose weight drink syrup-laden sodas.  (or who buy a Double Whopper with Cheese and a Diet Coke)</p>
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		<title>By: Seldom</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14245</link>
		<dc:creator>Seldom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I avoid the ambiguity in the caffeine/Word of Wisdom issues by just drinking coffee.  Indeed, I follow the admonition of Levi Peterson and drink coffee because "it is such a cheap and easy way to stay out of harmony with one's church."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I avoid the ambiguity in the caffeine/Word of Wisdom issues by just drinking coffee.  Indeed, I follow the admonition of Levi Peterson and drink coffee because &#8220;it is such a cheap and easy way to stay out of harmony with one&#8217;s church.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14241</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andrew,
  Another great story of the addiction to Diet Coke.  I too was addicted to Diet Coke, to the tune of 7-8 cans and sometimes bottle a day for nearly 10 years.  For awhile it was the most difficult addiction to break on my own, as the side effects and symptoms were just too much to handle.  Headaches, migraines, joint pain in my knees just to name a few.  I broke that addiction by accident and since being off, I have not had one side effect at all.  I have not had one headache, not one migraine, no more joint pain in my knees, nothing.  It is amazing to me each day how great I feel not being on that stuff anymore. I have also shared my story online in hopes that others will realize the dangers of aspartame and other artificial sweeteners.
Thanks,Mike
www.dietdrinkaddiction.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrew,<br />
  Another great story of the addiction to Diet Coke.  I too was addicted to Diet Coke, to the tune of 7-8 cans and sometimes bottle a day for nearly 10 years.  For awhile it was the most difficult addiction to break on my own, as the side effects and symptoms were just too much to handle.  Headaches, migraines, joint pain in my knees just to name a few.  I broke that addiction by accident and since being off, I have not had one side effect at all.  I have not had one headache, not one migraine, no more joint pain in my knees, nothing.  It is amazing to me each day how great I feel not being on that stuff anymore. I have also shared my story online in hopes that others will realize the dangers of aspartame and other artificial sweeteners.<br />
Thanks,Mike<br />
<a href="http://www.dietdrinkaddiction.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.dietdrinkaddiction.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.dietdrinkaddiction.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: mel</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14238</link>
		<dc:creator>mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't drink coffee, because I've been told, in church, by actual people leading the church, that it is the meaning of the "hot drinks" and until I'm told the same about caffeine or cola or caffeinated cola- which is it by the way- I will continue to drink, and enjoy, and possibly even flaunt my mormon coffee.  

I, for one, live for my diet coke in the morning, you could say it's addictive, just like you could say that my husband's constant checking his crackberry, I mean blackberry, for an email is addictive.  You could say the endorphines released during my morning run are addictive, or the ice cream I eat every night is addictive (and probably far worse for my health than the diet coke).  The pleasure I experience in life without any of these would be noticeably less, why single out my Diet Coke? And double why do it before anyone with stewardship for me tells me to? 

Judging the spiritual doctrine of the church by what's permissible in a temple cafeteria or BYU must be for the western U.S. members, since our access to these spiritual havens is far more infrequent in other parts of the country.  I do know from personal experience that the temple cafeteria doesn't offer lots of things, including vegetarian entrees for those who are following not-so-"semi" official teaching in the canonized WoW to eat meat sparingly and in time of famine. And cougars don't do a lot of things that I don't consider immoral - like walk on the grass.  But I guess ignorance is bliss since I wasn't aware of all the sin I was committing by my grass walking and barefeet until I went to education week one year, where I plan my classes for the day by when to leave campus to get my "fix" of Diet Coke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t drink coffee, because I&#8217;ve been told, in church, by actual people leading the church, that it is the meaning of the &#8220;hot drinks&#8221; and until I&#8217;m told the same about caffeine or cola or caffeinated cola- which is it by the way- I will continue to drink, and enjoy, and possibly even flaunt my mormon coffee.  </p>
<p>I, for one, live for my diet coke in the morning, you could say it&#8217;s addictive, just like you could say that my husband&#8217;s constant checking his crackberry, I mean blackberry, for an email is addictive.  You could say the endorphines released during my morning run are addictive, or the ice cream I eat every night is addictive (and probably far worse for my health than the diet coke).  The pleasure I experience in life without any of these would be noticeably less, why single out my Diet Coke? And double why do it before anyone with stewardship for me tells me to? </p>
<p>Judging the spiritual doctrine of the church by what&#8217;s permissible in a temple cafeteria or BYU must be for the western U.S. members, since our access to these spiritual havens is far more infrequent in other parts of the country.  I do know from personal experience that the temple cafeteria doesn&#8217;t offer lots of things, including vegetarian entrees for those who are following not-so-&#8221;semi&#8221; official teaching in the canonized WoW to eat meat sparingly and in time of famine. And cougars don&#8217;t do a lot of things that I don&#8217;t consider immoral - like walk on the grass.  But I guess ignorance is bliss since I wasn&#8217;t aware of all the sin I was committing by my grass walking and barefeet until I went to education week one year, where I plan my classes for the day by when to leave campus to get my &#8220;fix&#8221; of Diet Coke.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14236</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also love chocolate.

However I think it is important to remember where the cocoa comes from and how it has been harvested. Often the cocoa is farmed children and laborers who get very little for their labour. If they are farmers, their land is taken from them and sold to large corporations. It is important to find a brand, such as Fair Trade, that is ethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also love chocolate.</p>
<p>However I think it is important to remember where the cocoa comes from and how it has been harvested. Often the cocoa is farmed children and laborers who get very little for their labour. If they are farmers, their land is taken from them and sold to large corporations. It is important to find a brand, such as Fair Trade, that is ethical.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin O</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14235</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention--you can have my chocolate bar and hot chocolate when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.  The fiercest demons of hell can't scare me from this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention&#8211;you can have my chocolate bar and hot chocolate when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.  The fiercest demons of hell can&#8217;t scare me from this.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin O</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14234</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The choice not to drink Colas is easy for me--I can't stand the flavor.  Yuck!

My wife, however, has a serious love for Pepsi.  Like serious nostalgic addiction type thing.  We both, however, love Dr. Pepper, and if we find it in decaf, we'll buy the occasional two-liter.  Our rule is, however:

We don't buy drinks for ourselves that we won't share with the kids unless it will be gone before the kids can see it.  That means no caffeine.  My 4 year old DOES NOT NEED CAFFEINE!!!!  

More and more, though, it's got absolutely nothing to do with caffeine for me, as a matter of the Word of Wisdom, and as a matter of migraine avoidance.  Caffeine==migraine==misery.  No thanks.  

Beyond that in general, however, is the unfortunate truth that most sodas have high-fructose corn syrup, which is really, really, really bad for you on so many levels, and is such a barrier to weight loss that it's hard to even imagine.  So we have started buying sodas that are all-natural.  Root beer is my favorite (and if I could get Henry Weinhardt's on the east coast, I would buy that--it is the best, but I'm not sure if it's an 'all natural' or not), but we love cream sodas as well.  Virgil's is an awesome soda. 

So, you can have your diet coke.  I'll be over here with my ambrosia that is Virgil's Black Cherry Cream Soda (all natural).  Yum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The choice not to drink Colas is easy for me&#8211;I can&#8217;t stand the flavor.  Yuck!</p>
<p>My wife, however, has a serious love for Pepsi.  Like serious nostalgic addiction type thing.  We both, however, love Dr. Pepper, and if we find it in decaf, we&#8217;ll buy the occasional two-liter.  Our rule is, however:</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t buy drinks for ourselves that we won&#8217;t share with the kids unless it will be gone before the kids can see it.  That means no caffeine.  My 4 year old DOES NOT NEED CAFFEINE!!!!  </p>
<p>More and more, though, it&#8217;s got absolutely nothing to do with caffeine for me, as a matter of the Word of Wisdom, and as a matter of migraine avoidance.  Caffeine==migraine==misery.  No thanks.  </p>
<p>Beyond that in general, however, is the unfortunate truth that most sodas have high-fructose corn syrup, which is really, really, really bad for you on so many levels, and is such a barrier to weight loss that it&#8217;s hard to even imagine.  So we have started buying sodas that are all-natural.  Root beer is my favorite (and if I could get Henry Weinhardt&#8217;s on the east coast, I would buy that&#8211;it is the best, but I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s an &#8216;all natural&#8217; or not), but we love cream sodas as well.  Virgil&#8217;s is an awesome soda. </p>
<p>So, you can have your diet coke.  I&#8217;ll be over here with my ambrosia that is Virgil&#8217;s Black Cherry Cream Soda (all natural).  Yum.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14231</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"BTW, Stephen - sounds like you’ve got crazy drugs for sleeping, etc! What’s the ‘risks’ of caffeine use? Nice post Andrew!"

Sorry I meant Diphenhydramine which is an antihistamine found in Benadryl which is an over the counter medication. It has mild sedative side effects. I wont go into the pharmokinetics but it does have side effects like tachycardia, but again these are occasional in patients who use the the medication responsibly.

Caffeine is an ergogenic and stimulates the central nervous system. One problem with Caffeine is that you will develop a tolerance to it making you need more and more of it to get the same stimulation...and hence the addictive nature of the drug. And there is a medical condition called Caffeinism that is described as addiction to caffeine.

Like most stimulants, it can have side effects like heart palpatations, hypertension,nausea,atrial fibrillation and other heart complications. It can induce anxiety, nervousness, tremors etc. It can also cause mild depression and sleeping disturbances.

An overdose of caffeine occurs at 300mg with soft drinks containing anywhere between 30 to 80mg of caffeine in 355ml. Red Bull would have about 100mg in 355ml. It can induse caffeine intoxication and overstimulation of the nervous system....the "the jitters" we call them in the UK. NOT a nice feeling for those who have been there. 

I would again consider all the positive and negative affects and then decide for yourself. If you do decide to drink caffeinated drinks then drink them responsibly. I dont see a need to drink them and would advice patients to get enough sleep, exercise and loose weight to increase energy. Avoid it if you have heart problems.

&lt;img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Caffeinated_spiderwebs.jpg" img width="300" length="500" alt="Spider on Caffeine"/&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BTW, Stephen - sounds like you’ve got crazy drugs for sleeping, etc! What’s the ‘risks’ of caffeine use? Nice post Andrew!&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry I meant Diphenhydramine which is an antihistamine found in Benadryl which is an over the counter medication. It has mild sedative side effects. I wont go into the pharmokinetics but it does have side effects like tachycardia, but again these are occasional in patients who use the the medication responsibly.</p>
<p>Caffeine is an ergogenic and stimulates the central nervous system. One problem with Caffeine is that you will develop a tolerance to it making you need more and more of it to get the same stimulation&#8230;and hence the addictive nature of the drug. And there is a medical condition called Caffeinism that is described as addiction to caffeine.</p>
<p>Like most stimulants, it can have side effects like heart palpatations, hypertension,nausea,atrial fibrillation and other heart complications. It can induce anxiety, nervousness, tremors etc. It can also cause mild depression and sleeping disturbances.</p>
<p>An overdose of caffeine occurs at 300mg with soft drinks containing anywhere between 30 to 80mg of caffeine in 355ml. Red Bull would have about 100mg in 355ml. It can induse caffeine intoxication and overstimulation of the nervous system&#8230;.the &#8220;the jitters&#8221; we call them in the UK. NOT a nice feeling for those who have been there. </p>
<p>I would again consider all the positive and negative affects and then decide for yourself. If you do decide to drink caffeinated drinks then drink them responsibly. I dont see a need to drink them and would advice patients to get enough sleep, exercise and loose weight to increase energy. Avoid it if you have heart problems.</p>
<p><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Caffeinated_spiderwebs.jpg" img width="300" length="500" alt="Spider on Caffeine"/></p>
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		<title>By: Zelph</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14227</link>
		<dc:creator>Zelph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in a strict non-caffeinated house, and I mean STRICT.  The first time I had a coca cola I was in the 1st grade and at a friends house.  I will never forget the first time I sipped it, as I thought that it was the greatest thing ever.  It tasted so great to me, I felt a tingling all over my body.

My mission was in Mexico and we did have coke, but no mountain dew and no Dr. Pepper.  I remember when a companion would have Dr. peppers sent, it was like blessings from heaven.

Funny thing is, ever since I came back from the mission, I don't really like the taste of any of it anymore, but will drink it if it is given to me.

Ironically, my pregnant wife, who is the much more devout Mormon is the one that bought a costco pack of Coca Cola because she was having major caffeine cravings. I am the apostate and I don't buy coke.  So I had one with her just to see what it tasted like since I hadn't had one for a long time, and I didn't really like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in a strict non-caffeinated house, and I mean STRICT.  The first time I had a coca cola I was in the 1st grade and at a friends house.  I will never forget the first time I sipped it, as I thought that it was the greatest thing ever.  It tasted so great to me, I felt a tingling all over my body.</p>
<p>My mission was in Mexico and we did have coke, but no mountain dew and no Dr. Pepper.  I remember when a companion would have Dr. peppers sent, it was like blessings from heaven.</p>
<p>Funny thing is, ever since I came back from the mission, I don&#8217;t really like the taste of any of it anymore, but will drink it if it is given to me.</p>
<p>Ironically, my pregnant wife, who is the much more devout Mormon is the one that bought a costco pack of Coca Cola because she was having major caffeine cravings. I am the apostate and I don&#8217;t buy coke.  So I had one with her just to see what it tasted like since I hadn&#8217;t had one for a long time, and I didn&#8217;t really like it.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14222</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek - cool artwork.  She's pretty awesome.

As to the "why does BYU eschew caffeine" question - I have to agree with the commenters who've stated that BYU creates its own standards for its own reasons.  They do not reflect what is and what is not the church's interpretation of the actual commandments.  If BYU's practices were so indicative, you'd be breaking the law of chastity if you entered the bedroom of someone of the opposite sex or stayed past curfew in their common living areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek - cool artwork.  She&#8217;s pretty awesome.</p>
<p>As to the &#8220;why does BYU eschew caffeine&#8221; question - I have to agree with the commenters who&#8217;ve stated that BYU creates its own standards for its own reasons.  They do not reflect what is and what is not the church&#8217;s interpretation of the actual commandments.  If BYU&#8217;s practices were so indicative, you&#8217;d be breaking the law of chastity if you entered the bedroom of someone of the opposite sex or stayed past curfew in their common living areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14215</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't stand the syrupy taste of colas, and my athlete days stopped all desire for carbonation.  (Hurt stamina big time, which might be why my wife doesn't want me drinking it now. BA DUM BUM!)  

Now, my old man gout keeps me from imbibing pretty much all carbonation, although I used to use Mountain Dew when I was driving 1500-2000 miles per week, often late at night.  Those were the days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand the syrupy taste of colas, and my athlete days stopped all desire for carbonation.  (Hurt stamina big time, which might be why my wife doesn&#8217;t want me drinking it now. BA DUM BUM!)  </p>
<p>Now, my old man gout keeps me from imbibing pretty much all carbonation, although I used to use Mountain Dew when I was driving 1500-2000 miles per week, often late at night.  Those were the days.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14214</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hawkgrrrl :--

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

"In 1998, a team of scientists in Spain conducted an experiment on rodents to indirectly measure the levels of formaldehyde adducts in the organs after ingestion of aspartame. They did this by radiolabeling the methanol portion of aspartame.[29] The scientists concluded that formaldehyde bound to protein and DNA accumulated in the brain, liver, kidneys and other tissues after ingestion of either 20 mg/kg or 200 mg/kg of aspartame.[30] However, representatives of the manufacturer of aspartame have argued that these scientists were not directly measuring formaldehyde, but simply measuring levels of some by-product of the methanol from aspartame.[31] Tephly thinks that the by-product was not formaldehyde. The researchers have stated that the data in the experiment proves it was formaldehyde.[32]"

"Since the FDA approved aspartame for consumption in 1981, some researchers have suggested that a rise in brain tumor rates in the United States may be at least partially related to the increasing availability and consumption of aspartame.[63] The results of a large seven-year study into the long-term effects of eating aspartame in rats by the European Ramazzini Foundation for cancer research in Bologna, Italy were released in July 2005. In the study of 1,800 rats, the research concluded that aspartame administered at varying levels in feed causes a statistically significant increase of lymphomas-leukemias and malignant tumors of the kidneys in female rats and malignant tumors of peripheral nerves in male rats. The study showed that there was no statistically significant link between aspartame and brain tumors."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hawkgrrrl :&#8211;</p>
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<p>&#8220;In 1998, a team of scientists in Spain conducted an experiment on rodents to indirectly measure the levels of formaldehyde adducts in the organs after ingestion of aspartame. They did this by radiolabeling the methanol portion of aspartame.[29] The scientists concluded that formaldehyde bound to protein and DNA accumulated in the brain, liver, kidneys and other tissues after ingestion of either 20 mg/kg or 200 mg/kg of aspartame.[30] However, representatives of the manufacturer of aspartame have argued that these scientists were not directly measuring formaldehyde, but simply measuring levels of some by-product of the methanol from aspartame.[31] Tephly thinks that the by-product was not formaldehyde. The researchers have stated that the data in the experiment proves it was formaldehyde.[32]&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Since the FDA approved aspartame for consumption in 1981, some researchers have suggested that a rise in brain tumor rates in the United States may be at least partially related to the increasing availability and consumption of aspartame.[63] The results of a large seven-year study into the long-term effects of eating aspartame in rats by the European Ramazzini Foundation for cancer research in Bologna, Italy were released in July 2005. In the study of 1,800 rats, the research concluded that aspartame administered at varying levels in feed causes a statistically significant increase of lymphomas-leukemias and malignant tumors of the kidneys in female rats and malignant tumors of peripheral nerves in male rats. The study showed that there was no statistically significant link between aspartame and brain tumors.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14212</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A missionary recently told me that some Apostle or GA talked about how his favorite drink was Dr. Pepper.  The missionaries were trying to tell my coffee-drinking woman that coffee wasn't excluded because of caffeine, but because of other worse chemicals and acids.  I thought it was funny, 'cause Dr. Pepper is one of the most caffeinated soft drinks (more than Mountain Dew).

As someone already pointed out:  Caffeine promotes osteoporosis.  It kills the osteoblasts in your bone.

While I prefer root beers and colas (Coke or Pepsi will do), I recently tried to cut from my diet my love of sugars for Lent, and this included sodas, and I've been trying to keep it up since.  (No, Hawkgrrrl, I'm not Catholic, but my wife is!)  Today I had horchata with dinner.

My friend Jessica Logsdon paints with artificial sweetener wrappers:

http://jessicalogsdon.com/page1/page1.html

I was helping her empty sweetener packets one night, and I ate all the NutraSweet I had dumped out of the packets.  I overdosed on Aspartame (I ate probably a 1/2 cup of powder), and let me tell you, it is not fun (talk about migraine) -- but it tasted &lt;b&gt;awesome&lt;/b&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A missionary recently told me that some Apostle or GA talked about how his favorite drink was Dr. Pepper.  The missionaries were trying to tell my coffee-drinking woman that coffee wasn&#8217;t excluded because of caffeine, but because of other worse chemicals and acids.  I thought it was funny, &#8217;cause Dr. Pepper is one of the most caffeinated soft drinks (more than Mountain Dew).</p>
<p>As someone already pointed out:  Caffeine promotes osteoporosis.  It kills the osteoblasts in your bone.</p>
<p>While I prefer root beers and colas (Coke or Pepsi will do), I recently tried to cut from my diet my love of sugars for Lent, and this included sodas, and I&#8217;ve been trying to keep it up since.  (No, Hawkgrrrl, I&#8217;m not Catholic, but my wife is!)  Today I had horchata with dinner.</p>
<p>My friend Jessica Logsdon paints with artificial sweetener wrappers:</p>
<p><a href="http://jessicalogsdon.com/page1/page1.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://jessicalogsdon.com/page1/page1.html');" rel="nofollow">http://jessicalogsdon.com/page1/page1.html</a></p>
<p>I was helping her empty sweetener packets one night, and I ate all the NutraSweet I had dumped out of the packets.  I overdosed on Aspartame (I ate probably a 1/2 cup of powder), and let me tell you, it is not fun (talk about migraine) &#8212; but it tasted <b>awesome</b>!</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14208</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analogy Doug G.  I drink plenty of diet coke, although I can honestly say that I am not "addicted."  I have quit on many occasions and have no ill side effects (e.g. headaches, drowsiness).  I read somewhere that people who smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day have a higher tolerance for nicotine, so it takes more to get the same effect.  Perhaps I have high caffeine tolerance.  My mom drank a lot of coffee before she was baptized (about 10 cups of Joe a day).  The missionaries were nervous because she insisted on drinking her last cup right before she stepped into the font.  She has never had another, and that was 50 years ago.

I agree that the WoW could use a bit of a re-write.  Obesity is clearly a bigger health problem, any way you slice it.  Getting worked up over diet soda while wolfing down deep-fat fried fritters and funeral potatoes with potato chip topping seems a little like straining at a gnat and (almost literally) swallowing a camel.

Most of the ill effects of diet soda and aspartame have been de-snoped.  To wit:
- Coke is an effective spermicide (FALSE - So congratulations or sorry if that was your previous method of birth control)
- Pouring Coke on raw meat will cause worms to come out of the meat (FALSE)
- A tooth in a glass of Diet Coke will dissolve overnight (FALSE)
- Coke plus aspirin equals a great high (FALSE)
- Mormons own the Coca Cola company (FALSE)
- Little Mikey (Life cereal) died from drinking Coke with Pop Rocks in his mouth (FALSE)
- The acides in Coke make it harmful to drink (FALSE)
- Drinking too much Coke can cause you to die from carbon dioxide poisoning (FALSE)
- Diet Coke contains more calories than listed (FALSE)
- A mixture of Diet Coke and Mentos killed 2 Brazilian kids (FALSE)

For the aspartame conspiracy theorists out there, despite internet hoaxes and claims that aspartame causes brain tumors, cancer, birth defects, brain disease, Alzheimer's, Gulf War syndrome, lupus, MS and seizures, according to the FDA, MIT, and the CRC there is no merit to these claims.  Aspartame is safe for human consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analogy Doug G.  I drink plenty of diet coke, although I can honestly say that I am not &#8220;addicted.&#8221;  I have quit on many occasions and have no ill side effects (e.g. headaches, drowsiness).  I read somewhere that people who smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day have a higher tolerance for nicotine, so it takes more to get the same effect.  Perhaps I have high caffeine tolerance.  My mom drank a lot of coffee before she was baptized (about 10 cups of Joe a day).  The missionaries were nervous because she insisted on drinking her last cup right before she stepped into the font.  She has never had another, and that was 50 years ago.</p>
<p>I agree that the WoW could use a bit of a re-write.  Obesity is clearly a bigger health problem, any way you slice it.  Getting worked up over diet soda while wolfing down deep-fat fried fritters and funeral potatoes with potato chip topping seems a little like straining at a gnat and (almost literally) swallowing a camel.</p>
<p>Most of the ill effects of diet soda and aspartame have been de-snoped.  To wit:<br />
- Coke is an effective spermicide (FALSE - So congratulations or sorry if that was your previous method of birth control)<br />
- Pouring Coke on raw meat will cause worms to come out of the meat (FALSE)<br />
- A tooth in a glass of Diet Coke will dissolve overnight (FALSE)<br />
- Coke plus aspirin equals a great high (FALSE)<br />
- Mormons own the Coca Cola company (FALSE)<br />
- Little Mikey (Life cereal) died from drinking Coke with Pop Rocks in his mouth (FALSE)<br />
- The acides in Coke make it harmful to drink (FALSE)<br />
- Drinking too much Coke can cause you to die from carbon dioxide poisoning (FALSE)<br />
- Diet Coke contains more calories than listed (FALSE)<br />
- A mixture of Diet Coke and Mentos killed 2 Brazilian kids (FALSE)</p>
<p>For the aspartame conspiracy theorists out there, despite internet hoaxes and claims that aspartame causes brain tumors, cancer, birth defects, brain disease, Alzheimer&#8217;s, Gulf War syndrome, lupus, MS and seizures, according to the FDA, MIT, and the CRC there is no merit to these claims.  Aspartame is safe for human consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug G.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14205</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when I was thinking I should give up my addiction to Coke, I find out that most of you imbibe. I guess this is one vise I can keep…Bless you all as I do love an ice cold coke after working in the yard for awhile.  

I believe it was a lack of faith that got us to the point we’re at today with caffeinated drinks. Allow me to elaborate. Mormons can’t take anything on faith alone because we’re the religion with all the answers. (I can’t believe I’m saying this) Therefore, when the brethren said that “hot drinks” referred to coffee and tea, we couldn’t accept that at face value. After all, God wouldn’t command something without a good reason. So some enterprising member tried to figure out what the problem was with these hot drinks. Perhaps science could provide a clue of what could be so nasty and common between them. Low and behold, they figured out that besides being hot, both drinks had a mild stimulant called caffeine. That must be it they exclaimed! After all, God wouldn’t tell us not to partake unless there was a really good reason. Now, the all important “they” concluded that what God was actually saying is don’t drink caffeine. Anything with caffeine in it must be by definition evil and therefore really good members wouldn’t partake of such wickedness. 

Does this kind of remind you of the Monty Python movie, The Search for the Holy Grail? How did the villagers decide if the nasty woman was actually a witch? I purpose to you that the logic employed there is about as accurate as the interpretation imposed by the all important “they” here with regard to “hot drinks”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when I was thinking I should give up my addiction to Coke, I find out that most of you imbibe. I guess this is one vise I can keep…Bless you all as I do love an ice cold coke after working in the yard for awhile.  </p>
<p>I believe it was a lack of faith that got us to the point we’re at today with caffeinated drinks. Allow me to elaborate. Mormons can’t take anything on faith alone because we’re the religion with all the answers. (I can’t believe I’m saying this) Therefore, when the brethren said that “hot drinks” referred to coffee and tea, we couldn’t accept that at face value. After all, God wouldn’t command something without a good reason. So some enterprising member tried to figure out what the problem was with these hot drinks. Perhaps science could provide a clue of what could be so nasty and common between them. Low and behold, they figured out that besides being hot, both drinks had a mild stimulant called caffeine. That must be it they exclaimed! After all, God wouldn’t tell us not to partake unless there was a really good reason. Now, the all important “they” concluded that what God was actually saying is don’t drink caffeine. Anything with caffeine in it must be by definition evil and therefore really good members wouldn’t partake of such wickedness. </p>
<p>Does this kind of remind you of the Monty Python movie, The Search for the Holy Grail? How did the villagers decide if the nasty woman was actually a witch? I purpose to you that the logic employed there is about as accurate as the interpretation imposed by the all important “they” here with regard to “hot drinks”.</p>
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		<title>By: Rigel Hawthorne</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14204</link>
		<dc:creator>Rigel Hawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember well my last Coke.  It was during an evening drive home when I was getting drowsy.  To me, cola beverages were always like pumpkin pie.  A couple of times a year was enough.  And diet soda, well that was always just blech.  My wife has got me into the habit of order water at Taco Bell, so the usual time I have soda is with those Root Beer Floats that are served up at church functions.  

My parents always ordered Colas at Taco Bell, and I but I was told when I tried to follow their example, "YOU do not need to start drinking these things."  Though hypocritical, it was true.  

1.  My sister has been advised by her doctor to give up her soda habit because of osteoporosis.  

2.  Reports abound that diet drinks do bad things to teeth.  

"Demineralization, or loss of tooth material, begins at a pH of 5.5, although under certain conditions, may even start at a higher pH." (Acid pH of Diet Coke 3.39)

3.  Most recently I saw a headline "Diet Soda Strongly Associated With the Metabolic Syndrome", which raises your risk of diabetes  (even in the absence of sugar!)


I'm with Sam B., #16.  If I want to enjoy a rare carbonated beverage, give me one free of high fructose corn syrup.  Thinking of the junk squirting out of those ubiquitous soda fountains is not pleasant.  If we are going to argue about what should be on the WoW list, I think you would have to add Krispy Kremes, but it shouldn't be necessary to provide revelation that those things are bad for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember well my last Coke.  It was during an evening drive home when I was getting drowsy.  To me, cola beverages were always like pumpkin pie.  A couple of times a year was enough.  And diet soda, well that was always just blech.  My wife has got me into the habit of order water at Taco Bell, so the usual time I have soda is with those Root Beer Floats that are served up at church functions.  </p>
<p>My parents always ordered Colas at Taco Bell, and I but I was told when I tried to follow their example, &#8220;YOU do not need to start drinking these things.&#8221;  Though hypocritical, it was true.  </p>
<p>1.  My sister has been advised by her doctor to give up her soda habit because of osteoporosis.  </p>
<p>2.  Reports abound that diet drinks do bad things to teeth.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Demineralization, or loss of tooth material, begins at a pH of 5.5, although under certain conditions, may even start at a higher pH.&#8221; (Acid pH of Diet Coke 3.39)</p>
<p>3.  Most recently I saw a headline &#8220;Diet Soda Strongly Associated With the Metabolic Syndrome&#8221;, which raises your risk of diabetes  (even in the absence of sugar!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Sam B., #16.  If I want to enjoy a rare carbonated beverage, give me one free of high fructose corn syrup.  Thinking of the junk squirting out of those ubiquitous soda fountains is not pleasant.  If we are going to argue about what should be on the WoW list, I think you would have to add Krispy Kremes, but it shouldn&#8217;t be necessary to provide revelation that those things are bad for you.</p>
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		<title>By: green mormon architect</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14203</link>
		<dc:creator>green mormon architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, if we’re being technical about it, a temple recommend is a personal interview, and the question is simply, “Do you keep the word of wisdom?”  No more and no less.  So each person will have their own little interpretations of what it means to keep this law.  Some are stricter than others but since it a personal question, all who answer yes will receive the recommend.  If you believe you are keeping the word of wisdom and can answer yes, then you are.  Just like all who believe they are forgiven of sin are forgiven, but that is another topic…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if we’re being technical about it, a temple recommend is a personal interview, and the question is simply, “Do you keep the word of wisdom?”  No more and no less.  So each person will have their own little interpretations of what it means to keep this law.  Some are stricter than others but since it a personal question, all who answer yes will receive the recommend.  If you believe you are keeping the word of wisdom and can answer yes, then you are.  Just like all who believe they are forgiven of sin are forgiven, but that is another topic…</p>
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		<title>By: working mother</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14200</link>
		<dc:creator>working mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a COFFEE drinker - GASP!(not every day, but I do have them especially when working nights in the ER).  I hate soft drinks and need some caffeine.  Plus I really like the taste.  I doubt if I could get a current temple recommend drinking an occasional cuppa however</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a COFFEE drinker - GASP!(not every day, but I do have them especially when working nights in the ER).  I hate soft drinks and need some caffeine.  Plus I really like the taste.  I doubt if I could get a current temple recommend drinking an occasional cuppa however</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Willey</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14199</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Willey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm thirsty.</description>
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		<title>By: NM Tony</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14198</link>
		<dc:creator>NM Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, why is coffee and tea still even considered part of the WoW?  It is apparent that soft drinks are more harmful than a glass of ice tea, which actually has some healthy benefit depending on the kind you drink.  Is the current WoW antiquated and in need of some revision?  If not, why not?  Especially when taking into consideration other beverages such as wine, which likewise has been shown to have some healthy benefits.  Or how about the whole meat thing of eating small portions?  I see nothing wrong with abiding by the WoW, but why is it a required part of the temple recommend interview?  Conventional wisdom today states that too much of anything is unhealthy.  This was true in Joseph's day as well, just look up the cold water societies, which had some prevalence in Nauvoo and New York in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.  Healthy living is important, but it seems that one vice is merely substituted for another in the Mormon culture thereby making the WoW obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why is coffee and tea still even considered part of the WoW?  It is apparent that soft drinks are more harmful than a glass of ice tea, which actually has some healthy benefit depending on the kind you drink.  Is the current WoW antiquated and in need of some revision?  If not, why not?  Especially when taking into consideration other beverages such as wine, which likewise has been shown to have some healthy benefits.  Or how about the whole meat thing of eating small portions?  I see nothing wrong with abiding by the WoW, but why is it a required part of the temple recommend interview?  Conventional wisdom today states that too much of anything is unhealthy.  This was true in Joseph&#8217;s day as well, just look up the cold water societies, which had some prevalence in Nauvoo and New York in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.  Healthy living is important, but it seems that one vice is merely substituted for another in the Mormon culture thereby making the WoW obsolete.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon W</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14196</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw I think this is like watching sports on sunday, it might not be a "correct" thing to do but I am not really worried about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw I think this is like watching sports on sunday, it might not be a &#8220;correct&#8221; thing to do but I am not really worried about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon W</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14195</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barqs is my drink of choice, Pepsi is my choice when I am tired.

For three years I worked nights, without my 2 litre of Coke/Pepsi I would have been a real mess.   As it was it pretty much rotted my teeth (had all my wisdom teeth out recently because of the acid on Coke and Pepsi) but that was the worst side effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barqs is my drink of choice, Pepsi is my choice when I am tired.</p>
<p>For three years I worked nights, without my 2 litre of Coke/Pepsi I would have been a real mess.   As it was it pretty much rotted my teeth (had all my wisdom teeth out recently because of the acid on Coke and Pepsi) but that was the worst side effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Bull Moose</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14194</link>
		<dc:creator>Bull Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for Quix, how do you define "hard" root beer? When I hear that I think of Mike's Hard Lemonade, which I had to explain to my wife why we shouldn't buy that for the kids as a summertime drink.

For my root beer pleasure, I'll take Henry Weinhardt's. It's sweetened with honey, has a good deeply-sweet flavor (not syrupy-sweet) with the spice and has a real head when you pour it.

And I've recently kicked the Diet Coke because I was up to about 64 oz. a day. As a side note, I tend to lose a couple of pounds by dropping caffeine completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for Quix, how do you define &#8220;hard&#8221; root beer? When I hear that I think of Mike&#8217;s Hard Lemonade, which I had to explain to my wife why we shouldn&#8217;t buy that for the kids as a summertime drink.</p>
<p>For my root beer pleasure, I&#8217;ll take Henry Weinhardt&#8217;s. It&#8217;s sweetened with honey, has a good deeply-sweet flavor (not syrupy-sweet) with the spice and has a real head when you pour it.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve recently kicked the Diet Coke because I was up to about 64 oz. a day. As a side note, I tend to lose a couple of pounds by dropping caffeine completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Warning Voice</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14193</link>
		<dc:creator>Warning Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is, there is a semi-official teaching that caffine breaks the spirit of the Word of Wisdom, otherwise Temple cafeterias would serve it, and so would BYU.  President Hinckley taught it on one of those interviews.  I saw him.  He said that we don't believe in drinking cola.  This teaching has no teeth, and there is no disciplinary action for going against it.  It is tecnically against the word of wisdom, or at least, the current interpretation of it, but nobody is going to hell or going to lose a temple recommend over it.  but if I were you guys, I'd prepare for the day that this teaching is stressed more in sunday school, and everyone is given a warning and a grace period to get off caffine before they are no longer able to get a temple recommend.  This is my prediction.  Now for another Rockstar hit.  Good stuff indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is, there is a semi-official teaching that caffine breaks the spirit of the Word of Wisdom, otherwise Temple cafeterias would serve it, and so would BYU.  President Hinckley taught it on one of those interviews.  I saw him.  He said that we don&#8217;t believe in drinking cola.  This teaching has no teeth, and there is no disciplinary action for going against it.  It is tecnically against the word of wisdom, or at least, the current interpretation of it, but nobody is going to hell or going to lose a temple recommend over it.  but if I were you guys, I&#8217;d prepare for the day that this teaching is stressed more in sunday school, and everyone is given a warning and a grace period to get off caffine before they are no longer able to get a temple recommend.  This is my prediction.  Now for another Rockstar hit.  Good stuff indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14192</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John (21). Yea, verily.  Two words for you: flaxen cord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John (21). Yea, verily.  Two words for you: flaxen cord.</p>
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		<title>By: John Nilsson</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14191</link>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, 

I should start drinking my caffeine instead of eating it occasionally in the form of chocolate.  Maybe if I upped my caffeine intake, my testimony of the devil would be strengthened...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, </p>
<p>I should start drinking my caffeine instead of eating it occasionally in the form of chocolate.  Maybe if I upped my caffeine intake, my testimony of the devil would be strengthened&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Just for Quix</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14190</link>
		<dc:creator>Just for Quix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sam B. said, "Give me Izzies or a good root beer (not a mass-market, high-fructose corn syrup-laden root beer) any day. But it’s not a WoW thing for me; it’s an aesthetic thing."&lt;/i&gt;

A man of my own heart. I love root beer. There are so many varieties and finding a small brewer who makes a great one is a treasure. On an aside, I think it's too bad a "hard" root beer has never really made inroads to the market. Yeasted, non-HFCS root beers are yummy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sam B. said, &#8220;Give me Izzies or a good root beer (not a mass-market, high-fructose corn syrup-laden root beer) any day. But it’s not a WoW thing for me; it’s an aesthetic thing.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>A man of my own heart. I love root beer. There are so many varieties and finding a small brewer who makes a great one is a treasure. On an aside, I think it&#8217;s too bad a &#8220;hard&#8221; root beer has never really made inroads to the market. Yeasted, non-HFCS root beers are yummy.</p>
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		<title>By: Just for Quix</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14189</link>
		<dc:creator>Just for Quix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gma (18):

I'm with ya. The BYUs enjoy a bit of autonomy from the corporate church. I think their stricter policies are more a reflection of the LDS culture, particularly the generally-more-zealous LDS cultures of Utah Valley or Eastern Idaho, than they are a reflection of the proper interpretation of LDS beliefs and practices. But in a pharisaical definition I think you could argue they are "more holy." ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gma (18):</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with ya. The BYUs enjoy a bit of autonomy from the corporate church. I think their stricter policies are more a reflection of the LDS culture, particularly the generally-more-zealous LDS cultures of Utah Valley or Eastern Idaho, than they are a reflection of the proper interpretation of LDS beliefs and practices. But in a pharisaical definition I think you could argue they are &#8220;more holy.&#8221; <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: green mormon architect</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14188</link>
		<dc:creator>green mormon architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are lots of little rules at the church schools that have nothing to do with gospel teachings, like shorts and beards.  When my mom was at the Y back in the 50's, women couldn't wear pants...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are lots of little rules at the church schools that have nothing to do with gospel teachings, like shorts and beards.  When my mom was at the Y back in the 50&#8217;s, women couldn&#8217;t wear pants&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A.J.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14181</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I glory in my word of wisdom breaking by consuming highly caffinated enegry drinks almost daily . So There :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I glory in my word of wisdom breaking by consuming highly caffinated enegry drinks almost daily . So There <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sam B.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14180</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,
The same way I explain Church-owned schools' ban on walking around barefoot and on wearing shorts that don't hit your knees: school policy.

That said, Coke of any variety is nasty.  Give me Izzies or a good root beer (not a mass-market, high-fructose corn syrup-laden root beer) any day.  But it's not a WoW thing for me; it's an aesthetic thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,<br />
The same way I explain Church-owned schools&#8217; ban on walking around barefoot and on wearing shorts that don&#8217;t hit your knees: school policy.</p>
<p>That said, Coke of any variety is nasty.  Give me Izzies or a good root beer (not a mass-market, high-fructose corn syrup-laden root beer) any day.  But it&#8217;s not a WoW thing for me; it&#8217;s an aesthetic thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/29/mormon-coffee/#comment-14178</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14 not many risks: check out this link http://ific.org/publications/brochures/caffeinebroch.cfm

This is interesting too:

&lt;blockquote&gt;According to the World Health Organization, "There is no evidence whatsoever that caffeine use has even remotely comparable physical and social consequences which are associated with serious drugs of abuse." Some sensitive individuals may experience mild, temporary effects, including headache, restlessness and irritability when their daily intake is quickly and substantially altered. Medical experts have long agreed that any discomfort caused by abruptly stopping consumption of caffeine can be avoided by progressively decreasing intake over a few days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 not many risks: check out this link <a href="http://ific.org/publications/brochures/caffeinebroch.cfm" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://ific.org/publications/brochures/caffeinebroch.cfm');" rel="nofollow">http://ific.org/publications/brochures/caffeinebroch.cfm</a></p>
<p>This is interesting too:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to the World Health Organization, &#8220;There is no evidence whatsoever that caffeine use has even remotely comparable physical and social consequences which are associated with serious drugs of abuse.&#8221; Some sensitive individuals may experience mild, temporary effects, including headache, restlessness and irritability when their daily intake i