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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-15105</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawkgrrrl (re: speculation #34) :--

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith

Views of the Prophet on Constitutional Powers

Section Five 1842-43, p.278

Situated as we are, with a flood of immigration constantly pouring in upon us, I consider that it is not only prudential, but absolutely necessary to protect the inhabitants of this city from being imposed upon by a spurious currency. Many of our eastern and old country fiends are altogether unacquainted with the situation of the banks in this region of country; and as they generally bring specie with them, they are perpetually in danger of being gulled by speculators. Besides there is so much uncertainty in the solvency of the best of banks, that I think it much safer to go upon the hard money system altogether. I have examined the Constitution upon this subject and find my doubts removed. The Constitution is not a law, but it empowers the people to make laws. For instance, the Constitution governs the land of Iowa, but it is not a law for the people. The Constitution tells us what shall not be a lawful tender. Art. I, Section 10 declares that nothing else except gold and silver shall be lawful tender, this not saying that gold and silver shall be lawful tender. It only provides that the state may make a law to make gold and silver lawful tender. I know of no state in the Union that has passed such a law; and I am sure that Illinois has not. The legislature has ceded up to us the privilege of enacting such laws as are not inconsistent with the Constitution of the United States and the state of Illinois; and we stand in the same relation to the state as the state does to the Union. The clause referred to in the Constitution is for the legislature--it is not a law for the people. The different states, and even Congress itself, have passed many laws diametrically contrary to the Constitution of the United States.

The state of Illinois has passed a stay law making property a lawful tender for the payment of debts; and if we have no law on the subject we must be governed by it. Shall we be such fools as to be governed by its laws, which are unconstitutional? No! We will make a law for gold and silver; and then the state law ceases and we can collect our debts. Powers not delegated to the states or reserved from the states are constitutional. The Constitution acknowledges that the people have all power not reserved to itself. I am a lawyer; I am a big lawyer and comprehend heaven, earth and hell, to bring forth knowledge that shall cover up all lawyers, doctors and other big bodies. This is the doctrine of the Constitution, so help me God. The Constitution is not law to us, but it makes provision for us whereby we can make laws. Where it provides that no one shall be hindered from worshiping God according to his own conscience, is a law. No legislature can enact a law to prohibit it. The Constitution provides to regulate bodies of men and not individuals. (Feb. 25, 1843.) DHC 5:289-290.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawkgrrrl (re: speculation #34) :&#8211;</p>
<p>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith</p>
<p>Views of the Prophet on Constitutional Powers</p>
<p>Section Five 1842-43, p.278</p>
<p>Situated as we are, with a flood of immigration constantly pouring in upon us, I consider that it is not only prudential, but absolutely necessary to protect the inhabitants of this city from being imposed upon by a spurious currency. Many of our eastern and old country fiends are altogether unacquainted with the situation of the banks in this region of country; and as they generally bring specie with them, they are perpetually in danger of being gulled by speculators. Besides there is so much uncertainty in the solvency of the best of banks, that I think it much safer to go upon the hard money system altogether. I have examined the Constitution upon this subject and find my doubts removed. The Constitution is not a law, but it empowers the people to make laws. For instance, the Constitution governs the land of Iowa, but it is not a law for the people. The Constitution tells us what shall not be a lawful tender. Art. I, Section 10 declares that nothing else except gold and silver shall be lawful tender, this not saying that gold and silver shall be lawful tender. It only provides that the state may make a law to make gold and silver lawful tender. I know of no state in the Union that has passed such a law; and I am sure that Illinois has not. The legislature has ceded up to us the privilege of enacting such laws as are not inconsistent with the Constitution of the United States and the state of Illinois; and we stand in the same relation to the state as the state does to the Union. The clause referred to in the Constitution is for the legislature&#8211;it is not a law for the people. The different states, and even Congress itself, have passed many laws diametrically contrary to the Constitution of the United States.</p>
<p>The state of Illinois has passed a stay law making property a lawful tender for the payment of debts; and if we have no law on the subject we must be governed by it. Shall we be such fools as to be governed by its laws, which are unconstitutional? No! We will make a law for gold and silver; and then the state law ceases and we can collect our debts. Powers not delegated to the states or reserved from the states are constitutional. The Constitution acknowledges that the people have all power not reserved to itself. I am a lawyer; I am a big lawyer and comprehend heaven, earth and hell, to bring forth knowledge that shall cover up all lawyers, doctors and other big bodies. This is the doctrine of the Constitution, so help me God. The Constitution is not law to us, but it makes provision for us whereby we can make laws. Where it provides that no one shall be hindered from worshiping God according to his own conscience, is a law. No legislature can enact a law to prohibit it. The Constitution provides to regulate bodies of men and not individuals. (Feb. 25, 1843.) DHC 5:289-290.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14695</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek - &quot;And so here we are running around the Intarwebs, passing messages, trying to make a difference and have some control of our own…&quot;  Ah yes, but mostly using good old fashioned persuasion and opinionated ranting.  Not so much mind control.  Now, if you have some specific mind control suggestions for the web design, I&#039;m all ears.  OTOH, maybe there is some already there.  The neutral beige/tan background, reminding us to be neutral and cool-headed.  The colorful blocks at the top as a reminder of diversity of thought.  The symbols in the blocks, reminding us that language is a front for underlying meanings that are often shared, but sometimes deeper and more hidden.  That slight emphasis in the word &quot;Matters&quot; by italicizing it--as if to say, the matters are more important than whether they are Mormon.  Or that Mormonism matters in some way to all people on this site.  Let he that hath ears to hear hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek &#8211; &#8220;And so here we are running around the Intarwebs, passing messages, trying to make a difference and have some control of our own…&#8221;  Ah yes, but mostly using good old fashioned persuasion and opinionated ranting.  Not so much mind control.  Now, if you have some specific mind control suggestions for the web design, I&#8217;m all ears.  OTOH, maybe there is some already there.  The neutral beige/tan background, reminding us to be neutral and cool-headed.  The colorful blocks at the top as a reminder of diversity of thought.  The symbols in the blocks, reminding us that language is a front for underlying meanings that are often shared, but sometimes deeper and more hidden.  That slight emphasis in the word &#8220;Matters&#8221; by italicizing it&#8211;as if to say, the matters are more important than whether they are Mormon.  Or that Mormonism matters in some way to all people on this site.  Let he that hath ears to hear hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14685</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 17:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Spector :--

I don&#039;t think your comments were a threadjacking.  Rather, the discussion you started has illustrated the false solution of the Democratic party as another example of free agency and free thought being manipulated through the manufacture of consent.

While there seem to be elements of an overarching conspiracy, especially when discussing characters like Bernays, most of today&#039;s mindjacking comes through complex dynamical systems -- that is, copycat memetics, if you will.  Perhaps nobody here has studied the chaotic nature of cellular automata, but I believe that it is mostly cellular systems through which the propagation of the effects of modern social engineering takes place.

The Mormon invention of the television can be seen as the great enabler of this cellular paradigm of thought control, but the Internet has brought us to a new level of information interaction, and you can bet that our controllers are using these tubes to their fullest extent (then again, so are we; the Internet finally enables us to become controllers also).  And you can be sure that they are using the latest and greatest theories in semiotics and sociology to affect our will.

(Raise your hand if you&#039;ve ever implemented a 2- or 3-dimensional cellular automaton in an object-oriented programming language.  UFO Skeptic?)

Joseph Smith, Jr., discussed relativity almost 100 years before Einstein, and he promoted chaos theory almost 150 years before its development.  Joseph Smith, Jr., spoke that the agency of the gods was their ability to organize systems from the chaotic matter of element.

Today the social controllers are trying to play gods, organizing their own systems from the chaotic matter of populations.  There is not enough cohesion and not enough organized conspiracy to propagate the changes from the top-down.  Therefore, sophisticated techniques must be employed to get the desired changes to bubble from the bottom-up.

And so here we are running around the Intarwebs, passing messages, trying to make a difference and have some control of our own...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Spector :&#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think your comments were a threadjacking.  Rather, the discussion you started has illustrated the false solution of the Democratic party as another example of free agency and free thought being manipulated through the manufacture of consent.</p>
<p>While there seem to be elements of an overarching conspiracy, especially when discussing characters like Bernays, most of today&#8217;s mindjacking comes through complex dynamical systems &#8212; that is, copycat memetics, if you will.  Perhaps nobody here has studied the chaotic nature of cellular automata, but I believe that it is mostly cellular systems through which the propagation of the effects of modern social engineering takes place.</p>
<p>The Mormon invention of the television can be seen as the great enabler of this cellular paradigm of thought control, but the Internet has brought us to a new level of information interaction, and you can bet that our controllers are using these tubes to their fullest extent (then again, so are we; the Internet finally enables us to become controllers also).  And you can be sure that they are using the latest and greatest theories in semiotics and sociology to affect our will.</p>
<p>(Raise your hand if you&#8217;ve ever implemented a 2- or 3-dimensional cellular automaton in an object-oriented programming language.  UFO Skeptic?)</p>
<p>Joseph Smith, Jr., discussed relativity almost 100 years before Einstein, and he promoted chaos theory almost 150 years before its development.  Joseph Smith, Jr., spoke that the agency of the gods was their ability to organize systems from the chaotic matter of element.</p>
<p>Today the social controllers are trying to play gods, organizing their own systems from the chaotic matter of populations.  There is not enough cohesion and not enough organized conspiracy to propagate the changes from the top-down.  Therefore, sophisticated techniques must be employed to get the desired changes to bubble from the bottom-up.</p>
<p>And so here we are running around the Intarwebs, passing messages, trying to make a difference and have some control of our own&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Spector</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14641</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if I contributed to the threadjack.</description>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14631</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hawkgrrrl :--

Yes: Masons are for the most part boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hawkgrrrl :&#8211;</p>
<p>Yes: Masons are for the most part boring.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14630</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray :--

It can increase your lifespan by up to 100% or more (calorie restriction) and it will clean your DNA making your descendants much healthier (read the studies of descendants of famine survivors)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray :&#8211;</p>
<p>It can increase your lifespan by up to 100% or more (calorie restriction) and it will clean your DNA making your descendants much healthier (read the studies of descendants of famine survivors)!</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14629</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zzzzzz.</description>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14628</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starvation is a good thing sometimes.</description>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14626</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Literski :--

I almost forgot:  I possess, and have read, Albert Pike&#039;s Morals and Dogma, and I know the difference between A.F.&amp;A.M. and F.&amp;A.M. (though I assume you believe the &quot;accident of history&quot; explanation of this discrepancy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Literski :&#8211;</p>
<p>I almost forgot:  I possess, and have read, Albert Pike&#8217;s Morals and Dogma, and I know the difference between A.F.&amp;A.M. and F.&amp;A.M. (though I assume you believe the &#8220;accident of history&#8221; explanation of this discrepancy).</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14618</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Literski :--

FWIW, I am a sleight-of-hand artist and illusionist, and I have been studying the history of the magical arts for most of my life.  So forgive me if I know a thing or two about Houdini, who his associates were, and what war-time projects &quot;Harry Handcuff Houdini&quot; worked on with government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Literski :&#8211;</p>
<p>FWIW, I am a sleight-of-hand artist and illusionist, and I have been studying the history of the magical arts for most of my life.  So forgive me if I know a thing or two about Houdini, who his associates were, and what war-time projects &#8220;Harry Handcuff Houdini&#8221; worked on with government.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14617</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Literski :--

My uncle is the Venerable Prophet of his Grotto and, I believe, 33rd degree Scottish Rite.  I was hanging out last night with another 33rd degree Mason, discussing Craft vs. Art.  I live a few blocks away from the regional 32nd degree temple in Kansas City commissioned and built by Albert Pike himself.

I am not anti-Masonic.  But magicians have as much to do with this topic as does Bernays.  And Houdini&#039;s connections into all this came through Masonry.  So you can remain ignorant of history if you like...  But I will continue in my Iradic intentions to inform the masses and expose those things that very few people know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Literski :&#8211;</p>
<p>My uncle is the Venerable Prophet of his Grotto and, I believe, 33rd degree Scottish Rite.  I was hanging out last night with another 33rd degree Mason, discussing Craft vs. Art.  I live a few blocks away from the regional 32nd degree temple in Kansas City commissioned and built by Albert Pike himself.</p>
<p>I am not anti-Masonic.  But magicians have as much to do with this topic as does Bernays.  And Houdini&#8217;s connections into all this came through Masonry.  So you can remain ignorant of history if you like&#8230;  But I will continue in my Iradic intentions to inform the masses and expose those things that very few people know.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14614</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Literski :--

As a &quot;real McCoy&quot;, I descend from the bloodline of the Royal Order of Scotland at Kilwinning (H.R.D.M.) and the hereditary Grand Master of all Masonry (the King of Scots).  I know of a patrilineal descendant of this line in Pontiac, Illinois, and another in Manhattan, Kansas.

Let&#039;s everyone list our Masonic qualifications!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Literski :&#8211;</p>
<p>As a &#8220;real McCoy&#8221;, I descend from the bloodline of the Royal Order of Scotland at Kilwinning (H.R.D.M.) and the hereditary Grand Master of all Masonry (the King of Scots).  I know of a patrilineal descendant of this line in Pontiac, Illinois, and another in Manhattan, Kansas.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s everyone list our Masonic qualifications!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Literski</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14613</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Literski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #50:
You just THINK you came up with that statement on your own, Derek.  The truth is, I&#039;ve been controlling everything you&#039;ve ever typed in Mormon Matters, through my secret Jedi mind tricks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #50:<br />
You just THINK you came up with that statement on your own, Derek.  The truth is, I&#8217;ve been controlling everything you&#8217;ve ever typed in Mormon Matters, through my secret Jedi mind tricks!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14610</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick :--

That&#039;s because you&#039;re not a magician.  Masons don&#039;t know these secrets, magicians do.  Houdini just got involved in these governmental projects through his associate Masons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick :&#8211;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because you&#8217;re not a magician.  Masons don&#8217;t know these secrets, magicians do.  Houdini just got involved in these governmental projects through his associate Masons.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Literski</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14607</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Literski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...when Harry Houdini began to work with government through his Masonic associates, revealing the mind control trade secrets...&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, I&#039;m officially proposing a &quot;Nutter Hall of Fame,&quot; with poster #41 above the first nomination for inclusion.  

I guess even after becoming a Master Mason, a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason, a Royal Arch Mason, a Cryptic Mason, and a Knight Templar, I still just haven&#039;t gotten around to learning those uber-cool &quot;mind control trade secrets.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;when Harry Houdini began to work with government through his Masonic associates, revealing the mind control trade secrets&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m officially proposing a &#8220;Nutter Hall of Fame,&#8221; with poster #41 above the first nomination for inclusion.  </p>
<p>I guess even after becoming a Master Mason, a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason, a Royal Arch Mason, a Cryptic Mason, and a Knight Templar, I still just haven&#8217;t gotten around to learning those uber-cool &#8220;mind control trade secrets.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14606</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthiness shall set you free (for a fee or the viewing of a paid commercial advertisement?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthiness shall set you free (for a fee or the viewing of a paid commercial advertisement?).</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14605</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I do think this stuff is hard hitting…as we realize the base we have built our society on is…in biblical terms…evil.&quot;  

Remind me sometime, Stephen, to share with you my undiluted, frank perception of why the Restoration was necessary.  The edited version is interesting enough, but the blunt version would get me stoned in some of the places I have lived in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do think this stuff is hard hitting…as we realize the base we have built our society on is…in biblical terms…evil.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Remind me sometime, Stephen, to share with you my undiluted, frank perception of why the Restoration was necessary.  The edited version is interesting enough, but the blunt version would get me stoned in some of the places I have lived in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen - &quot;Make us free so we can cooperate with eachother. No sane person wants war, poverty, starvation, human rights violations.&quot;  Well said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen &#8211; &#8220;Make us free so we can cooperate with eachother. No sane person wants war, poverty, starvation, human rights violations.&#8221;  Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray....

Thank you so much for the compliment about this post. I do think this stuff is hard hitting...as we realize the base we have built our society on is...in biblical terms...evil. That is not too say that it is all to be thrown out...not at all...

Thank you for adding your inspiring and informational comments here and for being patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray&#8230;.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for the compliment about this post. I do think this stuff is hard hitting&#8230;as we realize the base we have built our society on is&#8230;in biblical terms&#8230;evil. That is not too say that it is all to be thrown out&#8230;not at all&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you for adding your inspiring and informational comments here and for being patient.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wellington</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/04/30/subliminal-battle-for-our-free-agency/#comment-14599</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew...

Infact, the stuff I mention above developed initially from the left end of the political spectrum. It is used by liberals (i.e. the NAACP hired Bernays in the Civil Rights Movement), and every side now.

It is important to be aware of it in order to make an informed decision as to what the truth really is.

I conclude, with Stephen Colbert, that in the current political climate truth has a &quot;liberal bias.&quot; lol

And when I say liberal I also mean classically conservative. I believe in libertarian socialism...make us free so we can cooperate with eachother. No sane person wants war, poverty, starvation, human rights violations.

But yet we elect those nutters who do want it as our leaders and buy all our products from their mentors and friends.

&quot;YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE&quot;

I esteem you too Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew&#8230;</p>
<p>Infact, the stuff I mention above developed initially from the left end of the political spectrum. It is used by liberals (i.e. the NAACP hired Bernays in the Civil Rights Movement), and every side now.</p>
<p>It is important to be aware of it in order to make an informed decision as to what the truth really is.</p>
<p>I conclude, with Stephen Colbert, that in the current political climate truth has a &#8220;liberal bias.&#8221; lol</p>
<p>And when I say liberal I also mean classically conservative. I believe in libertarian socialism&#8230;make us free so we can cooperate with eachother. No sane person wants war, poverty, starvation, human rights violations.</p>
<p>But yet we elect those nutters who do want it as our leaders and buy all our products from their mentors and friends.</p>
<p>&#8220;YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE&#8221;</p>
<p>I esteem you too Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-order_simulacra</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve (36)

Couldn&#039;t agree more and REALLY looking forward to your next post.  Also glad you recognized my comment above as a compliment as applied to you; you know how I esteem you.  I did want to point out that propaganda and manipulation of the public mind comes from all sides of the political spectrum.</description>
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<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more and REALLY looking forward to your next post.  Also glad you recognized my comment above as a compliment as applied to you; you know how I esteem you.  I did want to point out that propaganda and manipulation of the public mind comes from all sides of the political spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek P. Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek P. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, this is indeed a profound post...  But the techniques of mind control have advanced greatly since the turn of the century when Harry Houdini began to work with government through his Masonic associates, revealing the mind control trade secrets of magic and mentalism to military councils and governmental think tanks.  There is a long history since Houdini of highly-paid magicians serving as consultants along side psychologists and Tavistock Institute grads, etc.

We live in an age when faceless and sometimes non-existent organizations of &quot;Laughing Men&quot; can unleash sophisticated Stand Alone Complexes, or &quot;second-order simulacra&quot;, with minds of their own.  (Thank you, The Intertubes, for this brave new world.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(philosophy)#Stand_Alone_Complex

The Representamen have more power than most people could ever understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, this is indeed a profound post&#8230;  But the techniques of mind control have advanced greatly since the turn of the century when Harry Houdini began to work with government through his Masonic associates, revealing the mind control trade secrets of magic and mentalism to military councils and governmental think tanks.  There is a long history since Houdini of highly-paid magicians serving as consultants along side psychologists and Tavistock Institute grads, etc.</p>
<p>We live in an age when faceless and sometimes non-existent organizations of &#8220;Laughing Men&#8221; can unleash sophisticated Stand Alone Complexes, or &#8220;second-order simulacra&#8221;, with minds of their own.  (Thank you, The Intertubes, for this brave new world.)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(philosophy)#Stand_Alone_Complex" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(philosophy)#Stand_Alone_Complex</a></p>
<p>The Representamen have more power than most people could ever understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that my frustration is largely due to what an absolutely profound post this is.</description>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, I really don&#039;t want to call any individuals out, but there is at least one person who almost never contributes anything positive or substantive to these conversations - who comes here and throws flaming spitballs and non-sensical bombs.  I honestly have no clue if it&#039;s intentional or just a result of a complete lack of self-awareness, but suffice it to say that the actions are extremely trollish - and they only get worse when confronted.  

To be clear, I am NOT talking about the political party slap-fest.  That&#039;s a bit annoying, perhaps, but not &quot;trollish&quot;.  I guess my frustration just got the better of me for a moment, but some of this stuff is just . . . (can&#039;t find a gentle word to describe it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I really don&#8217;t want to call any individuals out, but there is at least one person who almost never contributes anything positive or substantive to these conversations &#8211; who comes here and throws flaming spitballs and non-sensical bombs.  I honestly have no clue if it&#8217;s intentional or just a result of a complete lack of self-awareness, but suffice it to say that the actions are extremely trollish &#8211; and they only get worse when confronted.  </p>
<p>To be clear, I am NOT talking about the political party slap-fest.  That&#8217;s a bit annoying, perhaps, but not &#8220;trollish&#8221;.  I guess my frustration just got the better of me for a moment, but some of this stuff is just . . . (can&#8217;t find a gentle word to describe it).</p>
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