Comments on: Evidences and Reconciliations 6/16/08 http://mormonmatters.org/2008/06/16/evidences-and-reconciliations-61608/ Exploring Mormon culture in a balanced way Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:24:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: JN http://mormonmatters.org/2008/06/16/evidences-and-reconciliations-61608/#comment-19153 JN Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:27:34 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=503#comment-19153 Propser doesn't necessarily mean a natural prosper. God's people prosper because they have faith in him through everything. The hold onto him through the tough times, when others would crack, God's people prosper because they have fith in God through Jesus Christ. I think many times we see prosper and think money, wealth, health, and yet when we look at God's prosperous people in the scriptures (Paul, Mosiah and the 4 sons of Alma, Nephi, Peter) you see people that prospered spiritually more than they ever prospered naturally jrn Propser doesn’t necessarily mean a natural prosper. God’s people prosper because they have faith in him through everything. The hold onto him through the tough times, when others would crack, God’s people prosper because they have fith in God through Jesus Christ. I think many times we see prosper and think money, wealth, health, and yet when we look at God’s prosperous people in the scriptures (Paul, Mosiah and the 4 sons of Alma, Nephi, Peter) you see people that prospered spiritually more than they ever prospered naturally

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]]> By: Ray http://mormonmatters.org/2008/06/16/evidences-and-reconciliations-61608/#comment-19103 Ray Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:27:06 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=503#comment-19103 Thomas, I keep saying that anything worth contemplating can be referenced to Monty Python and/or The Princess Bride. Thanks for proving my point. :) I always have read the obey/prosper conclusion in two ways: 1) as Thomas said, as a statement about what happens to an entire civilization; 2) as the observation of a historian looking back over nearly 1000 years of history - echoing what the founding prophet of his people had said. Nephi seemed to make his claim based on the history of Israel; Mormon seemed to take it, see the ebbs and flows of his own people and apply it liberally as his central **historical** theme. I think it is ludicrous to apply it to individuals. It is clear to me that it was not meant to be interpreted that way, since it is never applied that way in the context of the book itself. Thomas, I keep saying that anything worth contemplating can be referenced to Monty Python and/or The Princess Bride. Thanks for proving my point. :)

I always have read the obey/prosper conclusion in two ways:

1) as Thomas said, as a statement about what happens to an entire civilization;

2) as the observation of a historian looking back over nearly 1000 years of history - echoing what the founding prophet of his people had said. Nephi seemed to make his claim based on the history of Israel; Mormon seemed to take it, see the ebbs and flows of his own people and apply it liberally as his central **historical** theme.

I think it is ludicrous to apply it to individuals. It is clear to me that it was not meant to be interpreted that way, since it is never applied that way in the context of the book itself.

]]> By: hawkgrrrl http://mormonmatters.org/2008/06/16/evidences-and-reconciliations-61608/#comment-19100 hawkgrrrl Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:16:00 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=503#comment-19100 Here's another one that seems like it fits in with the above references: 2 Ne 2: 14 "And now, my sons, I speak unto you these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon." Here’s another one that seems like it fits in with the above references: 2 Ne 2: 14 “And now, my sons, I speak unto you these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon.”

]]> By: Thomas Parkin http://mormonmatters.org/2008/06/16/evidences-and-reconciliations-61608/#comment-19099 Thomas Parkin Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:03:50 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=503#comment-19099 We need to define "prosper." Cause I do not think it means what we think it means - except maybe in the most general way, across an entire population. You could also have added scriptures - Hebrews 12 and John 15 come to mind - that suggest that the righteous are actually 'chastened', or that their time is made more difficult, in order to get them to even higher spritual attainments. ~ We need to define “prosper.” Cause I do not think it means what we think it means - except maybe in the most general way, across an entire population.

You could also have added scriptures - Hebrews 12 and John 15 come to mind - that suggest that the righteous are actually ‘chastened’, or that their time is made more difficult, in order to get them to even higher spritual attainments.

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]]> By: N8Ma http://mormonmatters.org/2008/06/16/evidences-and-reconciliations-61608/#comment-19094 N8Ma Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:50:20 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=503#comment-19094 God is not a vending machine. God is not a vending machine.

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