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		<title>By: burbineeneisk</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-123782</link>
		<dc:creator>burbineeneisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.
 Can you help me to find actual now dating sites.Thanks,
burbineeneisk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
 Can you help me to find actual now dating sites.Thanks,<br />
burbineeneisk</p>
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		<title>By: Endotrott</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-96345</link>
		<dc:creator>Endotrott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s up, is there anybody else here?
If there&#039;s anyone else here,  let me know.
Oh, and yes I&#039;m a real person LOL.

See ya,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s up, is there anybody else here?<br />
If there&#8217;s anyone else here,  let me know.<br />
Oh, and yes I&#8217;m a real person LOL.</p>
<p>See ya,</p>
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		<title>By: Itazylatlah</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-77940</link>
		<dc:creator>Itazylatlah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Parents,

I want to know, is there any ways to start teaching baby from pregnancy?
Like how we talk to him/her or anything.. 
Cause i want to make my baby the best..

Thanks
&lt;a href=&quot;http://sites.google.com/site/veryearlysignsofpregnancy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.babycenter.com/assets/2.8.0_25212/images/icons/small/expert.gif&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Parents,</p>
<p>I want to know, is there any ways to start teaching baby from pregnancy?<br />
Like how we talk to him/her or anything..<br />
Cause i want to make my baby the best..</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
<a href="http://sites.google.com/site/veryearlysignsofpregnancy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.babycenter.com/assets/2.8.0_25212/images/icons/small/expert.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: gnostic chick</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-39737</link>
		<dc:creator>gnostic chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first order of business for Sara Palin, as a pentecostal vice president, will be to ban the Book of Mormon. Pentecostals believe that it is the work of the devil. She banned books and had the librarian fired for protesting. It is a matter of Saving people, witnessing, and her divine appointment to the Vice President of the U.S. (possibly president, if McCain doesn&#039;t last for 4 years). 

I&#039;ll stick up for freedom of religion on behalf of Mormons. I hope that they don&#039;t vote for the lady who will persecute them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first order of business for Sara Palin, as a pentecostal vice president, will be to ban the Book of Mormon. Pentecostals believe that it is the work of the devil. She banned books and had the librarian fired for protesting. It is a matter of Saving people, witnessing, and her divine appointment to the Vice President of the U.S. (possibly president, if McCain doesn&#8217;t last for 4 years). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stick up for freedom of religion on behalf of Mormons. I hope that they don&#8217;t vote for the lady who will persecute them.</p>
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		<title>By: Not my vote</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-32914</link>
		<dc:creator>Not my vote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not my vote.  I can&#039;t vote for Madame Palin.  Her family needs her for the next 8-10 years.  I&#039;m willing to giver her a chance - then.  But not now.  I will not be told my McCain, whom I never supported, that I now must support this ticket. Sorry, family first. Ms. Palin needs to realign her priorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not my vote.  I can&#8217;t vote for Madame Palin.  Her family needs her for the next 8-10 years.  I&#8217;m willing to giver her a chance &#8211; then.  But not now.  I will not be told my McCain, whom I never supported, that I now must support this ticket. Sorry, family first. Ms. Palin needs to realign her priorities.</p>
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		<title>By: CarlosJC</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-32148</link>
		<dc:creator>CarlosJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#88 &quot;As it turns out, she now has a pregnant teen in her household. I wonder what will happen now.&quot;

Best Gov Palin comment (by Letterman) 

&quot;Sarah Palin...likes the outdoors, likes assault rifles. Has a collection of rifles, likes to shot assault rifles. I&#039;ll say this for her daughter&#039;s boyfriend: The kids got balls!&quot;

Brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#88 &#8220;As it turns out, she now has a pregnant teen in her household. I wonder what will happen now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Best Gov Palin comment (by Letterman) </p>
<p>&#8220;Sarah Palin&#8230;likes the outdoors, likes assault rifles. Has a collection of rifles, likes to shot assault rifles. I&#8217;ll say this for her daughter&#8217;s boyfriend: The kids got balls!&#8221;</p>
<p>Brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: John Nilsson</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31905</link>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All in all, this is as bad a field as we’ve had in my lifetime.&quot;

Wow, what a different perspective from mine.  I had a good friend express exactly the sentence above to me recently, and I countered with, &quot;On the contrary, Obama and McCain are the two best candidates to emerge from either party&#039;s primary.&quot; I have a hard time with McCain, but he is the most electable Republican in the field this year, more so than Romney.  And Obama appeals to more Americans than Clinton ever could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All in all, this is as bad a field as we’ve had in my lifetime.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, what a different perspective from mine.  I had a good friend express exactly the sentence above to me recently, and I countered with, &#8220;On the contrary, Obama and McCain are the two best candidates to emerge from either party&#8217;s primary.&#8221; I have a hard time with McCain, but he is the most electable Republican in the field this year, more so than Romney.  And Obama appeals to more Americans than Clinton ever could.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31833</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that Gov. Palin took a long time to actually endorse McCain during the primaries because she was wanting to support Mitt Romney.  There&#039;s a quote of her saying, &quot;I really like Romney.&quot;  I think if she were rabidly anti-Mormon, she would not have come so close to throwing her support behind the Mitt Mormon Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that Gov. Palin took a long time to actually endorse McCain during the primaries because she was wanting to support Mitt Romney.  There&#8217;s a quote of her saying, &#8220;I really like Romney.&#8221;  I think if she were rabidly anti-Mormon, she would not have come so close to throwing her support behind the Mitt Mormon Man.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31822</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an article in the trib that said Gov. Palin&#039;s sect is anti-Mormon.  To Ray&#039;s point, duh!  Of course they are (they are anti lots of things).  But the trib pulled that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an article in the trib that said Gov. Palin&#8217;s sect is anti-Mormon.  To Ray&#8217;s point, duh!  Of course they are (they are anti lots of things).  But the trib pulled that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31810</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, given her religion, it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if she thought Mormons were cultists headed straight to Hell - but we need a link to a source for a comment like that.  Otherwise, it&#039;s just a hit and run.  Please provide a link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, given her religion, it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if she thought Mormons were cultists headed straight to Hell &#8211; but we need a link to a source for a comment like that.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s just a hit and run.  Please provide a link.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31809</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever else one might think about her, she is a fabulous speaker.  Politically, her speech tonight was nails.  Seriously, the delivery was brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever else one might think about her, she is a fabulous speaker.  Politically, her speech tonight was nails.  Seriously, the delivery was brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31803</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a fan until I just read Gov. Palins views on Mormons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a fan until I just read Gov. Palins views on Mormons.</p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31282</link>
		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin had no problem with earmarks and The Bridge to Nowhere    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN3125537020080901</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin had no problem with earmarks and The Bridge to Nowhere    <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN3125537020080901" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN3125537020080901</a></p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31281</link>
		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin runs Ted Stevens&#039; 527   http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin runs Ted Stevens&#8217; 527   <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html" rel="nofollow">http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31248</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double standards, alice.  Obama and Biden aren&#039;t or have never been &quot;under investigation&quot;?  

Please provide quotes for the earmarks and corruption statement.  

Btw, alice and everyone else, I am not saying she is the best choice.  If you re-read my comments, throughout this thread, there are some things I really admire about her situation, but she is WAY too conservative for me.  I&#039;ll probably end up plugging my nose and voting for McCain simply to avoid having one party control all of Congress AND the White House.  

All in all, this is as bad a field as we&#039;ve had in my lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double standards, alice.  Obama and Biden aren&#8217;t or have never been &#8220;under investigation&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Please provide quotes for the earmarks and corruption statement.  </p>
<p>Btw, alice and everyone else, I am not saying she is the best choice.  If you re-read my comments, throughout this thread, there are some things I really admire about her situation, but she is WAY too conservative for me.  I&#8217;ll probably end up plugging my nose and voting for McCain simply to avoid having one party control all of Congress AND the White House.  </p>
<p>All in all, this is as bad a field as we&#8217;ve had in my lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31244</link>
		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about being under investigation and deliberately misstating her positions on earmarks and corruption?  That&#039;s just plain dishonest and the thing is McCain didn&#039;t have to rush himself into this important decision and come up with such a messy solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what about being under investigation and deliberately misstating her positions on earmarks and corruption?  That&#8217;s just plain dishonest and the thing is McCain didn&#8217;t have to rush himself into this important decision and come up with such a messy solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I apologize if they seem harsh.  #72 probably was too harsh.  I probably should have left out the last paragraph.  

Just so you know, I have a real problem with people being told they &quot;must&quot; or &quot;should&quot; do this or that because it&#039;s what the Church teaches when the Church doesn&#039;t teach it - especially when the people in question are not even members of the Church.  

I also have a hard time with judging others by a standard that would condemn some of our High Priests Group Leaders and Bishops and Stake Presidents and Relief Society Presidents and Apostles and even Prophets.  Having a child with DS and/or a pregnant teenage daughter won&#039;t make it easier to campaign or serve, but it also shouldn&#039;t disqualify someone from important service.  One of the men I admire most in this entire world had four severely handicapped children, and yet he served as a Bishop and Stake President while raising them.  Should he have turned down those callings?  

&quot;Other circumstances&quot; is not defined by the Church.  That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.  You and I don&#039;t have the authority to make that call for someone else, just as nobody else has the authority to criticize Pres. Hinclkey or Pres. Monson for being home very little during their children&#039;s formative years.  Many outside the Church could make very cogent arguments that would condemn these men for ignoring or neglecting their families for their &quot;careers&quot;, and they could do so by denying that their individual circumstances constituted valid &quot;other circumstances&quot;.  If I don&#039;t want others making those distinctions for me or for our own global leaders, I feel hypocritical making those distinctions for others - especially when I can see very good ways to make it work.  

I also believe that any argument that says women should not run for political office until their children are grown and gone effectively eliminates them from consideration for the highest political offices in the land, since starting out so much later than men means they will never gain the same length and breadth of experience as those men.  The men will always be able to say that they simply aren&#039;t experienced enough in comparison.  

That probably contributed to how harsh my comments seemed.  I really am sorry that they came across that way, but I just don&#039;t like the implications of too many of these comments and claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I apologize if they seem harsh.  #72 probably was too harsh.  I probably should have left out the last paragraph.  </p>
<p>Just so you know, I have a real problem with people being told they &#8220;must&#8221; or &#8220;should&#8221; do this or that because it&#8217;s what the Church teaches when the Church doesn&#8217;t teach it &#8211; especially when the people in question are not even members of the Church.  </p>
<p>I also have a hard time with judging others by a standard that would condemn some of our High Priests Group Leaders and Bishops and Stake Presidents and Relief Society Presidents and Apostles and even Prophets.  Having a child with DS and/or a pregnant teenage daughter won&#8217;t make it easier to campaign or serve, but it also shouldn&#8217;t disqualify someone from important service.  One of the men I admire most in this entire world had four severely handicapped children, and yet he served as a Bishop and Stake President while raising them.  Should he have turned down those callings?  </p>
<p>&#8220;Other circumstances&#8221; is not defined by the Church.  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.  You and I don&#8217;t have the authority to make that call for someone else, just as nobody else has the authority to criticize Pres. Hinclkey or Pres. Monson for being home very little during their children&#8217;s formative years.  Many outside the Church could make very cogent arguments that would condemn these men for ignoring or neglecting their families for their &#8220;careers&#8221;, and they could do so by denying that their individual circumstances constituted valid &#8220;other circumstances&#8221;.  If I don&#8217;t want others making those distinctions for me or for our own global leaders, I feel hypocritical making those distinctions for others &#8211; especially when I can see very good ways to make it work.  </p>
<p>I also believe that any argument that says women should not run for political office until their children are grown and gone effectively eliminates them from consideration for the highest political offices in the land, since starting out so much later than men means they will never gain the same length and breadth of experience as those men.  The men will always be able to say that they simply aren&#8217;t experienced enough in comparison.  </p>
<p>That probably contributed to how harsh my comments seemed.  I really am sorry that they came across that way, but I just don&#8217;t like the implications of too many of these comments and claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Spector</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31235</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

Your responses to me seem a bit harsh.  If I somehow offended you with my own opinion about Gov. Pallin and her situation, I really apologize.  As it turns out, she now has a pregnant teen in her household.  I wonder what will happen now. It is a very unfortunate situation for her and her family. The girl and boy will be getting married.  at 17!

Is this an &quot;other circumstance&quot; yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>Your responses to me seem a bit harsh.  If I somehow offended you with my own opinion about Gov. Pallin and her situation, I really apologize.  As it turns out, she now has a pregnant teen in her household.  I wonder what will happen now. It is a very unfortunate situation for her and her family. The girl and boy will be getting married.  at 17!</p>
<p>Is this an &#8220;other circumstance&#8221; yet?</p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31188</link>
		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear.  Now it seems her unwed daughter is pregnant and McCain knew about it.  That doesn&#039;t show much judgment on McCain&#039;s OR Palin&#039;s part.  

And the claim that she fought earmarks in the Bridge to Nowhere is collapsing as is her claim to be a reformer since she was chairman of the hideously corrupt Ted Stevens&#039; 527 campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear.  Now it seems her unwed daughter is pregnant and McCain knew about it.  That doesn&#8217;t show much judgment on McCain&#8217;s OR Palin&#8217;s part.  </p>
<p>And the claim that she fought earmarks in the Bridge to Nowhere is collapsing as is her claim to be a reformer since she was chairman of the hideously corrupt Ted Stevens&#8217; 527 campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Marsh</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31067</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know if this is true or not:

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Not only is the DailyKos disgustingly inspecting Bristol&#039;s midriff with all the fervor of LA paparrazzi examining J-Lo&#039;s or Jennifer Aniston&#039;s washboard stomachs for evidence of a &quot;bump&quot; DailyKos is is wrong on when the photo was taken. It was taken, and published, by the Anchorage Daily News in 2006. Baby Trig, a Down&#039;s Syndrome child, was born on April 18, 2008. That&#039;s a long time for a teen girl to be carrying a &quot;bump&quot; which looks nothing more than the curve of a tight sweater.
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http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9204-b267282a1ce1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if this is true or not:</p>
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Not only is the DailyKos disgustingly inspecting Bristol&#8217;s midriff with all the fervor of LA paparrazzi examining J-Lo&#8217;s or Jennifer Aniston&#8217;s washboard stomachs for evidence of a &#8220;bump&#8221; DailyKos is is wrong on when the photo was taken. It was taken, and published, by the Anchorage Daily News in 2006. Baby Trig, a Down&#8217;s Syndrome child, was born on April 18, 2008. That&#8217;s a long time for a teen girl to be carrying a &#8220;bump&#8221; which looks nothing more than the curve of a tight sweater.
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<p><a href="http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9204-b267282a1ce1" rel="nofollow">http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9204-b267282a1ce1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Marsh</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31064</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my last post is stuck in moderation and I can&#039;t unstick it.  That happens any time I put more than one link in a post.

Let me put this one in from 2007:

http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&amp;updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&amp;max-results=50

Otherwise, visit donklephant -- (dot com) for some interesting analysis.

The real question is how will she hold up in public presentations and debates.  We don&#039;t know yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my last post is stuck in moderation and I can&#8217;t unstick it.  That happens any time I put more than one link in a post.</p>
<p>Let me put this one in from 2007:</p>
<p><a href="http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&#038;updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&#038;max-results=50" rel="nofollow">http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&#038;updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&#038;max-results=50</a></p>
<p>Otherwise, visit donklephant &#8212; (dot com) for some interesting analysis.</p>
<p>The real question is how will she hold up in public presentations and debates.  We don&#8217;t know yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Marsh</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31063</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alice, http://donklephant.com/2008/08/29/about-that-palin-ethics-investigation/ is a good summary of the ethics investigation.

See also http://donklephant.com/2008/08/29/the-sarah-palin-rumor-mill/ (hmm, two links in one comment might well trigger the spam filter, so we will see).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alice, <a href="http://donklephant.com/2008/08/29/about-that-palin-ethics-investigation/" rel="nofollow">http://donklephant.com/2008/08/29/about-that-palin-ethics-investigation/</a> is a good summary of the ethics investigation.</p>
<p>See also <a href="http://donklephant.com/2008/08/29/the-sarah-palin-rumor-mill/" rel="nofollow">http://donklephant.com/2008/08/29/the-sarah-palin-rumor-mill/</a> (hmm, two links in one comment might well trigger the spam filter, so we will see).</p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31047</link>
		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading everything I could about Palin.  The choice is extremely troubling.  She has minimal education and not much experience with anything outside Alaska and Idaho which are not very representative of the challenges America faces.  

What&#039;s worse is that the big accomplishment McCain touted was her ripping into corruption and earmarks.  On the earmarks, at least, there&#039;s already a record of her building the road leading to the point where the bridge was to be (and nothing else apparently) and speaking about getting the Congressional representatives to get the money from DC even after she&#039;d vetoed the bridge construction.  (If you want details goggle Ankorage&#039;s Daily News and Fairbank&#039;s Daily Miner)

Meanwhile, she&#039;s already under an ethics investigation herself and appears to let her husband meddle in Alaska government.  

This is a poor appointment indeed and makes me fearful what further appointments McCain intends.  And apparently when other reporters went in search of the archives of Palin&#039;s hometown paper they found out they were the first to ever request them.  SHE HAD NOT BEEN VETTED.  This is troubling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading everything I could about Palin.  The choice is extremely troubling.  She has minimal education and not much experience with anything outside Alaska and Idaho which are not very representative of the challenges America faces.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse is that the big accomplishment McCain touted was her ripping into corruption and earmarks.  On the earmarks, at least, there&#8217;s already a record of her building the road leading to the point where the bridge was to be (and nothing else apparently) and speaking about getting the Congressional representatives to get the money from DC even after she&#8217;d vetoed the bridge construction.  (If you want details goggle Ankorage&#8217;s Daily News and Fairbank&#8217;s Daily Miner)</p>
<p>Meanwhile, she&#8217;s already under an ethics investigation herself and appears to let her husband meddle in Alaska government.  </p>
<p>This is a poor appointment indeed and makes me fearful what further appointments McCain intends.  And apparently when other reporters went in search of the archives of Palin&#8217;s hometown paper they found out they were the first to ever request them.  SHE HAD NOT BEEN VETTED.  This is troubling.</p>
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		<title>By: N8Ma</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31034</link>
		<dc:creator>N8Ma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK--

McCain cannot win any of the Kerry states (252 EV). Maybe NH, but I actually think the debates will keep it in the Blue column. 

Iowa is going Obama. McCain didn&#039;t even campaign there. So that&#039;s Kerry + 7 = 259. So far NM has trended Democratic all year (thanks in part to Mormon Udall coattails), so that&#039;s 264 for Obama. Then start to factor in the huge number of swing states--NC, VA, NV, CO, OH, and maybe even MT, and we see that McCain has to win every single one of these to pull it off. That&#039;s quite a gamble...McCain plays defense the whole time. So Palin is brilliant, given Joe and Mittens wouldn&#039;t change the scene at all. 

Now The Base in OH, NC, NV, CO, and VA can get all enthusiastic about this campaign. (Pop quiz...how many Obama bumper stickers have you seen so far? Watch and see how many for McCain will now pop up because of this). It&#039;s McCain&#039;s only shot.

So my question is this: how much does this sway Mormon votes? In the Mountain time zone (MTZ), Mormons matter a great deal in NV, NM, and CO, all battleground states. Does the Palin vote selection do much for them, or is it insignificant because 95% of Mountain time zone Mormons vote straight Republican anyway? 

Which brings up a bigger question for me (a NY state Mormon): are Mormons, in essence, single issue voters? I have a sister in law...lives in CA, voted Obama in their open primary (meaning she could have voted for Mittens). Now, because McCain says YES to Prop. 8 and Obama says NO, she&#039;ll vote McCain the fall. She&#039;s already called it a &quot;clothespin&quot; vote on her blog. Unimpressed with Palin, actually. 

I&#039;ve asked her how she thinks a McCain presidency will keep gays from marrying, or keep women from having abortions. (I haven&#039;t gotten around to asking her if, given McCain&#039;s voting against the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, she&#039;s now being manipulated by a so-called &quot;Maverick&quot; who&#039;s all of a sudden changed his mind). 

I mean, I know this will sound snarky, mean-spirited, and even rude, but aren&#039;t all MTZ Mormons single-issue voters? Nothing about McCain&#039;s &quot;failed marriage&quot; (ditching the cripple for the rich young blonde), nothing about tax policies slanted to the wealthy, nothing about a wars of choice, nothing about a Christian Democrat (who isn&#039;t German) with a (first) wife and two cute kids who wants to move us past the wedge issues drummed up by the baby boomers. Nope. It&#039;s all about who will stop The Gays. And if McCain says he&#039;ll stop The Gays, he&#039;s got my vote. Cut and dried. 

I mean, they&#039;re worse than Cubans...who would vote for Fidel himself if he ran as a Republican. 

Mitt Romney can be treated like dirt in the primaries, and can be victim of overt prejudice from our so-called Christian brethren at various groups, McCain can refuse to even set up a single office in Utah (Obama has several, I&#039;m told), he can make no effort to ask for your vote, but since he&#039;s going to top The Gays and The Abortions (yeah right...GW Bush had 6 years with his own party in congress and where did these issues go?) we don&#039;t even need to think we just pull the lever. 

I mean, with Evangelicals and Bob Jones University and their ilk, the hitlist looks something like this (in order):
1. The Abortions
2. The Gays
3. The Mormons

(Finally, as some of you may recall, I completely support the church&#039;s involvement in Proposition 8. Just to complicate things further, I guess).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8211;</p>
<p>McCain cannot win any of the Kerry states (252 EV). Maybe NH, but I actually think the debates will keep it in the Blue column. </p>
<p>Iowa is going Obama. McCain didn&#8217;t even campaign there. So that&#8217;s Kerry + 7 = 259. So far NM has trended Democratic all year (thanks in part to Mormon Udall coattails), so that&#8217;s 264 for Obama. Then start to factor in the huge number of swing states&#8211;NC, VA, NV, CO, OH, and maybe even MT, and we see that McCain has to win every single one of these to pull it off. That&#8217;s quite a gamble&#8230;McCain plays defense the whole time. So Palin is brilliant, given Joe and Mittens wouldn&#8217;t change the scene at all. </p>
<p>Now The Base in OH, NC, NV, CO, and VA can get all enthusiastic about this campaign. (Pop quiz&#8230;how many Obama bumper stickers have you seen so far? Watch and see how many for McCain will now pop up because of this). It&#8217;s McCain&#8217;s only shot.</p>
<p>So my question is this: how much does this sway Mormon votes? In the Mountain time zone (MTZ), Mormons matter a great deal in NV, NM, and CO, all battleground states. Does the Palin vote selection do much for them, or is it insignificant because 95% of Mountain time zone Mormons vote straight Republican anyway? </p>
<p>Which brings up a bigger question for me (a NY state Mormon): are Mormons, in essence, single issue voters? I have a sister in law&#8230;lives in CA, voted Obama in their open primary (meaning she could have voted for Mittens). Now, because McCain says YES to Prop. 8 and Obama says NO, she&#8217;ll vote McCain the fall. She&#8217;s already called it a &#8220;clothespin&#8221; vote on her blog. Unimpressed with Palin, actually. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve asked her how she thinks a McCain presidency will keep gays from marrying, or keep women from having abortions. (I haven&#8217;t gotten around to asking her if, given McCain&#8217;s voting against the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, she&#8217;s now being manipulated by a so-called &#8220;Maverick&#8221; who&#8217;s all of a sudden changed his mind). </p>
<p>I mean, I know this will sound snarky, mean-spirited, and even rude, but aren&#8217;t all MTZ Mormons single-issue voters? Nothing about McCain&#8217;s &#8220;failed marriage&#8221; (ditching the cripple for the rich young blonde), nothing about tax policies slanted to the wealthy, nothing about a wars of choice, nothing about a Christian Democrat (who isn&#8217;t German) with a (first) wife and two cute kids who wants to move us past the wedge issues drummed up by the baby boomers. Nope. It&#8217;s all about who will stop The Gays. And if McCain says he&#8217;ll stop The Gays, he&#8217;s got my vote. Cut and dried. </p>
<p>I mean, they&#8217;re worse than Cubans&#8230;who would vote for Fidel himself if he ran as a Republican. </p>
<p>Mitt Romney can be treated like dirt in the primaries, and can be victim of overt prejudice from our so-called Christian brethren at various groups, McCain can refuse to even set up a single office in Utah (Obama has several, I&#8217;m told), he can make no effort to ask for your vote, but since he&#8217;s going to top The Gays and The Abortions (yeah right&#8230;GW Bush had 6 years with his own party in congress and where did these issues go?) we don&#8217;t even need to think we just pull the lever. </p>
<p>I mean, with Evangelicals and Bob Jones University and their ilk, the hitlist looks something like this (in order):<br />
1. The Abortions<br />
2. The Gays<br />
3. The Mormons</p>
<p>(Finally, as some of you may recall, I completely support the church&#8217;s involvement in Proposition 8. Just to complicate things further, I guess).</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Marsh</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/#comment-31031</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, there is an edited video that pretty much catches the difference in perspectives:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU

For humor, sure, but when people start thinking of things like that as the truth, and sharing them that way, there is a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, there is an edited video that pretty much catches the difference in perspectives:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/29/open-thread-on-mccainpalin/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/1RN5xbWtNSU/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
<p>For humor, sure, but when people start thinking of things like that as the truth, and sharing them that way, there is a problem.</p>
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