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To all those who see this greater KC metropolitan area temple as a sign: Remember, a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.

(Does that mean you’ll be swallowed by a whale and brought to where you least want to go? Zion is the new Nineveh. Much like the Assyrians of Nineveh, judgment and condemnation are upon the Gentiles of Zion for their being lifted up in pride.)

Also: Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.

From the anouncement on the stake website: “It will be a multi-chapel building with a temple included, similar to that in Manhattan.”

The pdf-map they have available shows the current land usage to be nothing more than a parking lot, so I’m guessing that they are going to raze that and dig deep and go up as well, but I don’t really know.

Too bad the folks in KC area don’t have quite as much information as yet…

It’s exciting for us here in Philly since that means pretty much anyone can hop on the train and be in the temple fairly easily without much worry about traffic.

Shorter after hearing the news, I decided it was Lenexa, since they are already in construction on the new Stake Center and I’ve heard that it’s a large plot of land, perfect for having a mini temple next to it.

But, since thinking about the vague wording, I have wondered again… they had to have known that the vagueness would make people guess about Independence. So, either it’s NOT there but they wanted people to think that. Or, it WILL be there and they didn’t want to make such a shocking announcement yet b/c everybody would freak about the Second Coming. It seems unrealistic that they would have announced it without already being certain of the location.

About Rome: I recently heard (second hand) from an Italian friend that the reason they don’t have a temple in Italy is b/c “all buildings must have public access to law enforcement at any time. The sacredness of the temple would be violated with police officers tromping through at will.” Has anybody else heard of that idea? Was my friend just mistaken? Or did it used to be an issue that they have since resolved?

Great talk.

The area near the Independence Visitor’s center is not the most attractive or convenient location and the “competition” for the Temple Lot land is something to move beyond. Relations with the other restorationist churches would probably be better if the temple was built away from the center of their church complexes. The temple-goers could do their own thing in a new location of reverence and worship.

Ryan, I think it’s fair to say that LDS leaders (and their PR staff) are generally very careful in choosing their words. If Monson didn’t want LDS members to think that his announcement could refer to the prophesied Independence temple, I’m confident that he would have specifically said this was not “that” temple, or that this would be “preparatory to” the “future” building of “that” temple. He’s not a stupid man, and it doesn’t take a “prophet” to know how LDS members would respond to his non-specific announcement.

On the other hand, can you imagine the media circus which would have ensued, if he had specifically said that his plan was to go forward now in building the prophesied Independence temple? The media would go nuts, trumpeting stories about how the LDS were now “preparing for the end of the world,” etc.

Peter, I think that in the minds of many LDS leaders, “pound obedience into wayward saints” is the same thing as “warning so they will repent.” I’ve sat with LDS leaders who very sincerely concluded that an entire stake was in great spiritual peril, because some men were showing up to church meetings in non-white dress shirts. It wasn’t that they were “demanding conformity,” so much as that they literally believed that people they loved were in danger.

It’s certainly true that I see a certain Machievellian pattern among modern LDS leadership. At the same time, however, I’m well aware that most, if not all, of these men are absolutely sincere in their belief—even to the point that they will sometimes rationalize bad behavior as a “means to an end” in doing what they think is the will of deity.

That’s all.