Proposition 8 and the Presidency: A Week of Reviling

I’m sorry, but I get SO tired of this type of quote – for two reasons. The Church (as an organization and through individual members) gives hundreds of millions regularly to “the things Christ taught” – and, if you want to get really technical, He didn’t exactly teach homosexuality. I have a really hard time listening to people who support gay marriage claiming that Jesus would have taken that stance. That’s a HUGE stretch, given the totality of our scriptural canon.

I can understand the argument, but it’s still a major stretch.

Love it!! Amen!!

I wish the church would put more money toward the things Christ taught and less money on what the Christian right wants:-(.

Thanks for the search advice, though. I had no idea Google was so useful…

“Having been excommunicated from the Mormon Church for being gay” I don’t think the Church excommunicates people for being Gay. They do disciple folks for morality problems. Also, it seems if you have been a missionary in the last ten years, you would have understood exactly what the Church position is via the Proclamation on the Family. According to our doctrine, God has decided. And that is the position we hold. You should know that too.

Also, you should know that the Church didn’t impose its beliefs on anyone. It has a position, it asked members to support it and campaign for that position and the voters of California are the ones who decided. I can’t believe you were a member of the Church, a full-time Missionary and didn’t know these things.

Please invest some time and research into the matter before you make such a statement. (Start with Google and work your way around from there.)

The facts are that teaching children, as early as Kindergarten, about homosexuality has already begun in public schools where same-sex marriage is legal.

No I would not say that “the 14 year-old Helen Mars Kimball was in a ‘Traditional Marriage’”.

My position on polygamy is quite clear: Joseph Smith used polygamy to cover his adultery with Fanny Alger. The result was an abominable practice that was woven into the fabric of LDS theology under the pretense of being from God. I think it is not doctrinal and I condemn it.

Would you say that the 14 year-old Helen Mars Kimball was in a “Traditional Marriage” ?

(And Mormons want to tell other folks what a marriage should look like? Sheeesh!)

-Mike

I suggest you get used to a world with gay families. Either that or get to work on that hole you will need to live in.

I’d say that it already happened when congress banned plural marriage. And members had to just take it on the chin and moved on.

Today a ‘free-what-ever-you-like-marriage’ would pass if the churches lobbied with the gay movement on a ‘its our free right to do whatever we want as adults’, or went to the courts to make it a discrimination issue since consenting adults are involved. But they don’t, they move forward with what they have.

And if one day majority vote bans some rights, like owning property to run Sunday services because the church is adjudged a discriminatory organization as bad as the KKK, well then we will have to adapt, hold meetings in secret or something and just move on with life.

What these good folk who blame the LDS church are achieving is some more sympathy for the church (because the overwhelming majority are not pro-gay), some free publicity for the church to tell the majority that it wants one-man one-women marriage and by doing so further bury the ‘mormon polygamy’ story line that the FLDS actions managed to perpetuate; and tells the world that the mormons stand for conservative social views -and it especially tells the mormons on the ‘nacle that we aren’t pro-gay marriage!

Due to all the above it is clear to me that the first presidency did this on purpose to get this message out there, and they were inspired in doing so. Had they stayed out of it some members would not have voted at all and many more would be saying that gay-marriage is ok if you are ‘born that way’. And had members not contributed funds the ‘yes side’ would have been far behind in the money stakes and the resulting campaign, even though according to wiki the ‘yes side’ raised $35.8mil and the ‘no side or gay side’ raised $37.6mil.

Even though the ‘no’ side outraised the other side they still lost, something which should say something to people here.

The “yes-on-8″ people, especially LDS supporters of Prop. 8, should realize that they are walking a particularly ironic line given their historically heterodoxical interpretation of marriage, and that the morality of this issue simply cannot be separated from its political and civil implications. Yes-on-8-ers also need to understand that democracy is NOT utilitarian, and they certainly should not want it to become such, because one day it could be their own rights being diminished by majority vote. The checks and balances of the democratic republic in which we live seek to limit the curtailment of those rights.

Sore losers? You ain’t seen nuttin’ yet: just wait until the CA Supreme Court overturns Prop 8. Then we’ll see some sore losers.

(I can at least wish can’t I?)

70% of the African American Vote voted YES on prop.8.
African Americans came out in unprecidented numbers due to Obama’s canidacy.
If California had the same turn out for African Americans in 2008 as they had in 2004- Prop8 would not have passed.
If Barack Obama had not run for president- prop8 would not have passed.

I personally think it’s hilarious that the homosexual community is holding 2% of the California population responsible for 54% of the vote.

If anything this is garnishing sympathy for the LDS church by the other 52% that voted YES on prop8.

The LDS church did a good thing here. Just so we’re all on the same page here, same-sex marriage is NOT about the right to marry another of the same gender. The issue is about homosexuals and the NEA having the legal right to teach the gay lifestyle, acceptance, and practice to our children in the public schools. This is what is being done in Massachusetts. (You know how to “Google” go look it up.)

Mere tolerance isn’t enough for these people. They have an agenda to push and it involves destroying traditional family values that are the bedrock of society. We see how vicious and prone to violence they become when they cannot articulate their own position or persuade the majority to go along with their way of thinking.

These small and petty people have an ax to grind and those of us who are willing to show tolerance but who oppose the re-ordering of society they represent are on the chopping block.