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	<title>Comments on: Virtual RS/PH #20 &#8211; A Heart Full of Love &amp; Faith:  The Prophet&#8217;s Letters to His Family</title>
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		<title>By: Hugh McKell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh McKell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is with a sad heart and a weak stomach that I take up pen and paper to address hawkgrrrl and the rest of the relief society/priesthood classes. If only I had read hawkgrrrl’s missive before going to class I may have been more prepared and less likely to have subjected myself to the “spoon” – or better yet, if our instructor had read hawkgrrrls comments. They were great. I’ll have to admit I was unaware that Gen. Smith was such an amorous monogamist and am somewhat at a loss as to how to confront my wife’s response to the lesson: “How can he say such things to Emma and then go off and visit all those other women?” No wonder the church has announced that it will take 30 volumes and maybe as many years to fully explain Joseph’s history.

We know that Joseph shared his affections with women other than Emma; this letter to Sarah Ann Whitney may give some pause and smile with his plight

“On Thursday, August 18,1842 just after Emma’s departure, writing in his own hand, Smith urged his seventeen-year-old bride to “come to night” and “comfort” him – but only if Emma had not returned. It is not clear who the courier was-presumably not Emma – but Joseph judiciously addressed the letter to “Broth, and Sister, Whitney, and &amp;c.” The letter itself leaves no doubt who “&amp;c.” was. The complete text reads as follows.”
 From the forthcoming book: _Nauvoo Polygamy . . . “but we called it celestial marriage”_

“Nauvoo August 18th, 1842.

Dear, and Beloved, Brother and Sister, Whitney, and &amp;c. – 
I take this opportunity to communi[c]ate, some of my feelings, privately at this time, which I want you three Eternaly to keep in your own bosams; for my feelings are so strong for you since what has passed lately between us, that the time of my absence from you seem so long, and dreary, that it seems as if I could not live long in this way: and if you three would come and see me in this my lonely retreat, it would afford me great relief, of mind[.] if those with who I am alied, do love me, now is the time to afford me succour, in the days of exile, for you know I foretold you of these things. I am now at Carlos Graingers, Just back of Brother Hyrams farm[.] it is only one mile from town, the nights are very pleasant, indeed, [and] all three of you can come and See me in the  fore part of the night[.] let Brother Whitney come a little a head, and nock at the south East corner of the house at the window; it is next to the cornfield; I have a room intirely by myself, the whole matter can be attended to with most perfect saf[e]ty[.] I know it is the will of God that you should comfort me now in this time of affliction, or not at [a]ll[.] now is the time or never, but I hav[e] no kneed of saying any such thing, to you, for I know the goodness of your hearts, and that you will do the will of the Lord, when it is made know to you; the only thing to be careful of; is to find out when Emma comes [because] then you cannot be safe, but when she is not here, there is the most perfect saf[e[ty: only be careful to escape observation, as much as possible[.] I know it is a heroick undertakeing; but so much the greater frendship, and the more Joy[.] when I see you I will tell you all my plans[.] I cannot write them on paper, burn this letter as soon as you read it; keep all locked up in your breasts, my life depends upon it. one thing I want to see you for is to git the fullness of my blessings sealed upon our heads, &amp;c. You will pardon me for my earnestness on this subject[.] when you consider how lonesome I must be, your good feelings know how to make every allowance for me[.] I close my letter[.] I think Emma wont come to night[.] if she don’t[,] don’t fail to come to night. I subscribe myself your most obedient, and affectionate, companion, and friend.
Joseph Smith”            _Personal Writings of Joseph Smith_ edited by Dean C. Jessee. pp 566-7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is with a sad heart and a weak stomach that I take up pen and paper to address hawkgrrrl and the rest of the relief society/priesthood classes. If only I had read hawkgrrrl’s missive before going to class I may have been more prepared and less likely to have subjected myself to the “spoon” – or better yet, if our instructor had read hawkgrrrls comments. They were great. I’ll have to admit I was unaware that Gen. Smith was such an amorous monogamist and am somewhat at a loss as to how to confront my wife’s response to the lesson: “How can he say such things to Emma and then go off and visit all those other women?” No wonder the church has announced that it will take 30 volumes and maybe as many years to fully explain Joseph’s history.</p>
<p>We know that Joseph shared his affections with women other than Emma; this letter to Sarah Ann Whitney may give some pause and smile with his plight</p>
<p>“On Thursday, August 18,1842 just after Emma’s departure, writing in his own hand, Smith urged his seventeen-year-old bride to “come to night” and “comfort” him – but only if Emma had not returned. It is not clear who the courier was-presumably not Emma – but Joseph judiciously addressed the letter to “Broth, and Sister, Whitney, and &amp;c.” The letter itself leaves no doubt who “&amp;c.” was. The complete text reads as follows.”<br />
 From the forthcoming book: _Nauvoo Polygamy . . . “but we called it celestial marriage”_</p>
<p>“Nauvoo August 18th, 1842.</p>
<p>Dear, and Beloved, Brother and Sister, Whitney, and &amp;c. –<br />
I take this opportunity to communi[c]ate, some of my feelings, privately at this time, which I want you three Eternaly to keep in your own bosams; for my feelings are so strong for you since what has passed lately between us, that the time of my absence from you seem so long, and dreary, that it seems as if I could not live long in this way: and if you three would come and see me in this my lonely retreat, it would afford me great relief, of mind[.] if those with who I am alied, do love me, now is the time to afford me succour, in the days of exile, for you know I foretold you of these things. I am now at Carlos Graingers, Just back of Brother Hyrams farm[.] it is only one mile from town, the nights are very pleasant, indeed, [and] all three of you can come and See me in the  fore part of the night[.] let Brother Whitney come a little a head, and nock at the south East corner of the house at the window; it is next to the cornfield; I have a room intirely by myself, the whole matter can be attended to with most perfect saf[e]ty[.] I know it is the will of God that you should comfort me now in this time of affliction, or not at [a]ll[.] now is the time or never, but I hav[e] no kneed of saying any such thing, to you, for I know the goodness of your hearts, and that you will do the will of the Lord, when it is made know to you; the only thing to be careful of; is to find out when Emma comes [because] then you cannot be safe, but when she is not here, there is the most perfect saf[e[ty: only be careful to escape observation, as much as possible[.] I know it is a heroick undertakeing; but so much the greater frendship, and the more Joy[.] when I see you I will tell you all my plans[.] I cannot write them on paper, burn this letter as soon as you read it; keep all locked up in your breasts, my life depends upon it. one thing I want to see you for is to git the fullness of my blessings sealed upon our heads, &amp;c. You will pardon me for my earnestness on this subject[.] when you consider how lonesome I must be, your good feelings know how to make every allowance for me[.] I close my letter[.] I think Emma wont come to night[.] if she don’t[,] don’t fail to come to night. I subscribe myself your most obedient, and affectionate, companion, and friend.<br />
Joseph Smith”            _Personal Writings of Joseph Smith_ edited by Dean C. Jessee. pp 566-7</p>
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		<title>By: mcarp</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hawkgrrrl, 

It&#039;s been years since I heard &quot;gag me with a spoon.&quot;  That was one of my favorite 80&#039;s phrases and I&#039;m glad to see you are trying to bring it back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hawkgrrrl, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been years since I heard &#8220;gag me with a spoon.&#8221;  That was one of my favorite 80&#8242;s phrases and I&#8217;m glad to see you are trying to bring it back!</p>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick - love it!  BIG grin.

Jill - thanks for your note.  That gives me a little more confidence going into this one.  I agree that focusing on the here and now is the only way to go.

John - I suppose you could add an &quot;if you know what I mean&quot; or &quot;that&#039;s what she said&quot; to the conjugal visit quote.  But you might not be invited back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick &#8211; love it!  BIG grin.</p>
<p>Jill &#8211; thanks for your note.  That gives me a little more confidence going into this one.  I agree that focusing on the here and now is the only way to go.</p>
<p>John &#8211; I suppose you could add an &#8220;if you know what I mean&#8221; or &#8220;that&#8217;s what she said&#8221; to the conjugal visit quote.  But you might not be invited back.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the last reply - fantastic job Rick.  I taught this lesson today and didn&#039;t read your post until after I had taught.  Interestingly enough, I taught almost exactly what you suggested!  This is my first time teaching RS in a long time (recent stake reorganization = new wards = new callings), I read the lesson and kept thinking &quot;pretty soon they are going to get to the point&quot; and the lesson never got to a point!  Arrg!  I wasn&#039;t going to teach &quot;love and harmony in the Joseph and Emma household&quot; so I went with the questions at the end.  We had a really good discussion on cultivating friendship among spouses (and extended family members), showing respect and trust in family relationships, and how we show our children to have trust in God.  

I hope all the other lessons are easier than this one!

Jill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the last reply &#8211; fantastic job Rick.  I taught this lesson today and didn&#8217;t read your post until after I had taught.  Interestingly enough, I taught almost exactly what you suggested!  This is my first time teaching RS in a long time (recent stake reorganization = new wards = new callings), I read the lesson and kept thinking &#8220;pretty soon they are going to get to the point&#8221; and the lesson never got to a point!  Arrg!  I wasn&#8217;t going to teach &#8220;love and harmony in the Joseph and Emma household&#8221; so I went with the questions at the end.  We had a really good discussion on cultivating friendship among spouses (and extended family members), showing respect and trust in family relationships, and how we show our children to have trust in God.  </p>
<p>I hope all the other lessons are easier than this one!</p>
<p>Jill</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Grunder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Grunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear Hawk and commenters -

It was with no little degree of satisfaction that I read your post of the 9th inst., just received.  I would inform you that I am well at present, and feel to express my joy, not only in your long-awaited news, but also in those thoughts which you set forth relative to the difficulties in the lessons taught during divine service - in which the various communications of General Smith to Mrs. Smith were entertained and considered.  Were we to press the furthest bounds of propriety in such matters, I think that we might still wonder at such proceedings, not knowing all the particulars from which said communications of Gen. Smith arose.  Indeed, as one who has been obliged to read so many letters of this sort on a regular and continuous plan for many years, I congratulate you on your observations - adding that among the many blogs which I have perused in recent times, your post and comments have perhaps excelled all others.  I cannot therefore but agree in nearly all which you have said, and beg you to believe me to be

Your most humble &amp; affect. servt.,

RG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear Hawk and commenters -</p>
<p>It was with no little degree of satisfaction that I read your post of the 9th inst., just received.  I would inform you that I am well at present, and feel to express my joy, not only in your long-awaited news, but also in those thoughts which you set forth relative to the difficulties in the lessons taught during divine service &#8211; in which the various communications of General Smith to Mrs. Smith were entertained and considered.  Were we to press the furthest bounds of propriety in such matters, I think that we might still wonder at such proceedings, not knowing all the particulars from which said communications of Gen. Smith arose.  Indeed, as one who has been obliged to read so many letters of this sort on a regular and continuous plan for many years, I congratulate you on your observations &#8211; adding that among the many blogs which I have perused in recent times, your post and comments have perhaps excelled all others.  I cannot therefore but agree in nearly all which you have said, and beg you to believe me to be</p>
<p>Your most humble &amp; affect. servt.,</p>
<p>RG</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad John.  Bad, Bad, Bad John!  *grin*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad John.  Bad, Bad, Bad John!  *grin*</p>
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		<title>By: John Nilsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Hawk and others, 

Apparently this lesson will be taught in our ward next week.  I know this because today a new member of our ward asked me to portray Joseph in Relief Society by reading most of these excerpts.  I was too shocked at being asked to play Joseph that I numbly said yes. They&#039;ll have me go sans tie and all the rest with one of those white sashy tie things he supposedly wore.

So what&#039;s your oratorical advice? Which words should I accent?  When should I cast the elderly sisters a knowing glance?  Should I research the dialect of New England in Joseph&#039;s day to get his twang just right?  

Do I bring in a teen girl from Young Women to illustrate the Joseph/Emma dilemma?  

(Ok, that was bad, I shouldn&#039;t have typed that, bad John!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Hawk and others, </p>
<p>Apparently this lesson will be taught in our ward next week.  I know this because today a new member of our ward asked me to portray Joseph in Relief Society by reading most of these excerpts.  I was too shocked at being asked to play Joseph that I numbly said yes. They&#8217;ll have me go sans tie and all the rest with one of those white sashy tie things he supposedly wore.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s your oratorical advice? Which words should I accent?  When should I cast the elderly sisters a knowing glance?  Should I research the dialect of New England in Joseph&#8217;s day to get his twang just right?  </p>
<p>Do I bring in a teen girl from Young Women to illustrate the Joseph/Emma dilemma?  </p>
<p>(Ok, that was bad, I shouldn&#8217;t have typed that, bad John!)</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the conjugal visit quote struck me, as well.  It actually is one of my favorite quotes from any prophet, since it makes them seem even more human and normal than they already do from everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the conjugal visit quote struck me, as well.  It actually is one of my favorite quotes from any prophet, since it makes them seem even more human and normal than they already do from everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, having taught the lesson today, we had discussions about how when you write it often helps you to channel honesty and precision, how you progress from feelings you might consider love to friendship, equality, trust and sharing faith, and how that communicates from spouse to child to grandchild.

There is a lot that can be found in the lesson, though it is some work.  It was an interesting choice of quotes and an interesting lesson, but I think more people would benefit from the underlying issues of how they need to express themselves, how it helps to write letters, and how friendship, equality, trust (rather than second guessing) and support are important in nurturing a relationship, as is the sharing of spiritual strength and belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, having taught the lesson today, we had discussions about how when you write it often helps you to channel honesty and precision, how you progress from feelings you might consider love to friendship, equality, trust and sharing faith, and how that communicates from spouse to child to grandchild.</p>
<p>There is a lot that can be found in the lesson, though it is some work.  It was an interesting choice of quotes and an interesting lesson, but I think more people would benefit from the underlying issues of how they need to express themselves, how it helps to write letters, and how friendship, equality, trust (rather than second guessing) and support are important in nurturing a relationship, as is the sharing of spiritual strength and belief.</p>
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		<title>By: CarlosJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarlosJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also agree with your points here. This lesson is probably the most &#039;up in the air&#039; lesson of all the teaching of presidents series. 

But the church is very good in leaving out any problems they had, which they obviously did have and a lot of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with your points here. This lesson is probably the most &#8216;up in the air&#8217; lesson of all the teaching of presidents series. </p>
<p>But the church is very good in leaving out any problems they had, which they obviously did have and a lot of them.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on this one.  I was having that &quot;gag me with a spoon&quot; feeling all through RS today.  I was also thinking about the conflict in their marriage and the lack of any doctrinal content.

Your humble servant,

E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on this one.  I was having that &#8220;gag me with a spoon&#8221; feeling all through RS today.  I was also thinking about the conflict in their marriage and the lack of any doctrinal content.</p>
<p>Your humble servant,</p>
<p>E</p>
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		<title>By: Ian M. Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian M. Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, having had this lesson today, I have to agree with your points completely. Granted, your lesson was certainly better than ours. Our instructor isn&#039;t the most interesting guy in the world, so all the problems with teaching this lesson were at least double.

I did almost bring up Josephs polygamy during our discussion, but I didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, having had this lesson today, I have to agree with your points completely. Granted, your lesson was certainly better than ours. Our instructor isn&#8217;t the most interesting guy in the world, so all the problems with teaching this lesson were at least double.</p>
<p>I did almost bring up Josephs polygamy during our discussion, but I didn&#8217;t.</p>
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