Comments on: Trying to Understand Creedal Trinitarianism – An Analogy http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/ A weekly podcast exploring Mormon culture and current events. Wed, 23 May 2012 11:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Bruce Nielson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-52460 Bruce Nielson Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:01:32 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-52460 David, Thank you. Sometimes it is too bad that controversy sells, but that is the reality of life. David, Thank you. Sometimes it is too bad that controversy sells, but that is the reality of life.

]]> By: David Clark http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-52428 David Clark Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:17:33 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-52428 Bruce, I just wanted to congratulate you on this and the previous article you wrote. Both are clear and cogent. Unfortunately, articles like these tend to go ignored in the bloggernacle in favor of articles on SSM, abortion, polygamy, body fluids (FMH is the most egregious offender here), Mountain Meadows, etc. Bruce,

I just wanted to congratulate you on this and the previous article you wrote. Both are clear and cogent. Unfortunately, articles like these tend to go ignored in the bloggernacle in favor of articles on SSM, abortion, polygamy, body fluids (FMH is the most egregious offender here), Mountain Meadows, etc.

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-52116 Mormon Heretic Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:29:28 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-52116 Great post Bruce! So I guess this also means God is a Cougar, Ute, Aggie, Wolverine, Thunderbird, and Wildcat! :) Great post Bruce! So I guess this also means God is a Cougar, Ute, Aggie, Wolverine, Thunderbird, and Wildcat! :)

]]> By: Bruce Nielson http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-51886 Bruce Nielson Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:24:34 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-51886 Dan and Velska, I have wondered this too. I believe it depends on which protestant lineage you come out of. All protestant groups accepted some creeds and rejected others. In other words, the answer to your question is "it's tradition." (Even if the person you are talking to doesn't realize it.) As it turns out, they all (almost all anyhow) accept at least the first few creeds (apostles, nicean... can't remember the others off the top of my head.) C. Biden, I'm curious why you think this kind of reasoning can prove there is no God. I think you can't get there from here. You can, on the other hand, prove, using this logic, that there is no God that is like the Catholics and Protestant modernly think of him (if that is what you meant) but that would just mean they have a false view of God, not necessarily there is no God. To use an analogy, proving the moon isn't made of green cheese doesn't prove there is no moon, no matter how great a narrative fallacy that makes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting any sort of argument here to "prove the existence of God." I'm just saying this discussion was logically completely irrelevant to any proof or disproof of God's existence. It added or subtracted no information at all. (You might want to see my posts on narrative fallacies.) Dan and Velska,

I have wondered this too. I believe it depends on which protestant lineage you come out of. All protestant groups accepted some creeds and rejected others. In other words, the answer to your question is “it’s tradition.” (Even if the person you are talking to doesn’t realize it.) As it turns out, they all (almost all anyhow) accept at least the first few creeds (apostles, nicean… can’t remember the others off the top of my head.)

C. Biden,

I’m curious why you think this kind of reasoning can prove there is no God. I think you can’t get there from here. You can, on the other hand, prove, using this logic, that there is no God that is like the Catholics and Protestant modernly think of him (if that is what you meant) but that would just mean they have a false view of God, not necessarily there is no God.

To use an analogy, proving the moon isn’t made of green cheese doesn’t prove there is no moon, no matter how great a narrative fallacy that makes.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting any sort of argument here to “prove the existence of God.” I’m just saying this discussion was logically completely irrelevant to any proof or disproof of God’s existence. It added or subtracted no information at all. (You might want to see my posts on narrative fallacies.)

]]> By: Dan Knudsen http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-51755 Dan Knudsen Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:42:31 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-51755 I’ve always wondered why the Creedal Protestants cling so desperately to the creeds, which were developed so many hundreds of years before Protestants broke away from Catholicism--condemning all of the Catholics to hell--but this core Catholic doctrine remains so true, unlike almost everything else Catholic. How and where do they draw the line? It seems like they would have come up with something new for the Godhead, like Mormons did. I’ve always wondered why the Creedal Protestants cling so desperately to the creeds, which were developed so many hundreds of years before Protestants broke away from Catholicism–condemning all of the Catholics to hell–but this core Catholic doctrine remains so true, unlike almost everything else Catholic. How and where do they draw the line? It seems like they would have come up with something new for the Godhead, like Mormons did.

]]> By: Arthur http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-51745 Arthur Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:39:35 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-51745 Yeah... I was also going to say that. Yeah… I was also going to say that.

]]> By: C.Biden http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-51740 C.Biden Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:48:47 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-51740 Interesting. However, this kind of reasoning can prove that there is no god. Interesting. However, this kind of reasoning can prove that there is no god.

]]> By: Arthur http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-51736 Arthur Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:26:57 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-51736 Ha... thanks for writing a "dumb people" version of your previous post, as it now falls into my level of comprehension. UR smrt. Ha… thanks for writing a “dumb people” version of your previous post, as it now falls into my level of comprehension. UR smrt.

]]> By: NOYDMB http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-51720 NOYDMB Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:47:16 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-51720 LOL. Awesome Bruce. LOL. Awesome Bruce.

]]> By: Velska http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/22/trying-to-understand-creedal-trinitarianism-an-analogy/#comment-51705 Velska Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:43:00 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3437#comment-51705 I sometimes wonder why the creed is so important, if it's supposed to be "sola scriptura". After all, the Trinity concept postdates Bible texts by some 300 years. I sometimes wonder why the creed is so important, if it’s supposed to be “sola scriptura”. After all, the Trinity concept postdates Bible texts by some 300 years.

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