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		<title>By: A Thinking Mormon</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-160822</link>
		<dc:creator>A Thinking Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 Yes I proudly wear my crucifix at Church
#2 Yes I put one either on my door or to the side of my door in my apartment at BYU
#3 I would be open to it, but I think we need to fix the cultural distaste many members have for it

Note I am a convert from Catholicism, and I understand the crucifix is not a symbol of Christ&#039;s death, but his victory over death and his resurrection.  Actually, one time I got in trouble with my Bishop at BYU for having my crucifix on my door, saying that I would offend people.  When I took it down, my room mates told me to put it back up.  They got use to it, and liked the reminder of what Christ did and was a good thing to see before starting the day.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 Yes I proudly wear my crucifix at Church<br />
#2 Yes I put one either on my door or to the side of my door in my apartment at BYU<br />
#3 I would be open to it, but I think we need to fix the cultural distaste many members have for it</p>
<p>Note I am a convert from Catholicism, and I understand the crucifix is not a symbol of Christ&#8217;s death, but his victory over death and his resurrection.  Actually, one time I got in trouble with my Bishop at BYU for having my crucifix on my door, saying that I would offend people.  When I took it down, my room mates told me to put it back up.  They got use to it, and liked the reminder of what Christ did and was a good thing to see before starting the day.   </p>
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		<title>By: Renee Wilson</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-160764</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a LDS young woman, and like you, I find myself wearing my cross necklaces outside of church. I understand why we &quot;shy away&quot; from crosses...but I still enjoy wearing mine. I like to think it&#039;s more of a symbol of just Christ, Christianity, or (since I&#039;m speaking about crosses and not crucifixes) that Christ has risen.

It&#039;s much like Heather said in the comments: &quot;It is a symbol of the resurrection, of the fact that Christ overcame death and is not there, for he has risen. It&#039;s empty because christ is not dead, but conquered death.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a LDS young woman, and like you, I find myself wearing my cross necklaces outside of church. I understand why we &#8220;shy away&#8221; from crosses&#8230;but I still enjoy wearing mine. I like to think it&#8217;s more of a symbol of just Christ, Christianity, or (since I&#8217;m speaking about crosses and not crucifixes) that Christ has risen.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s much like Heather said in the comments: &#8220;It is a symbol of the resurrection, of the fact that Christ overcame death and is not there, for he has risen. It&#8217;s empty because christ is not dead, but conquered death.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rsvoices</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-159030</link>
		<dc:creator>Rsvoices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so late on this, but I want to comment and just say the Cross isn&#039;t the only symbol of Christianity, a good alternative symbol is the fish, and its one, that I have yet to find a reasonable necklace that I like, but its one that I do most certainly believe is a Christian symbol, and it focuses on the work of Christ to &quot;Be yea fishers of men (and women)&quot;.  If you don&#039;t feel comfortable wearing the cross, I would suggest wear the fish. (And as a side note, I would love a necklace that is the fish, with CTR in the middle, it would be fantastic, maybe I can learn wood carving and make my own). As another alternative symbol, I love the messianic Judaism symbol, of Fish, Star of David, and Menorah, I would personally just have the fish and the star of David. I sincerely believe there are a few other symbols that can be used alternatively to the Cross as the sign of christianity. And my Belief is that the Fish, actually was the symbol used by the Ancient Saints, after Christ died, as a sign of who they where during the prosecutions. If anybody has any scholarly evidence of this, please link me to the articles.  

 I most certainly have a cross in my bedroom. It is white with a girl praying and I will prominently display that cross in my new home once I&#039;m married later this year.  I do have a couple cross necklaces, and its from my Great-Grandmother, on my Father&#039;s maternal side. 

I most certainly think we use the Cross, its just reserved for LDS Chaplains to wear. Because Chaplains serve everyone in the military, wearing the cross on their helmets or gear, is a sign to Christians to come to them for spiritual guidance and help. 

And lastly I believe that pictures in the Chapel are banned, but I quite like the flowers. I think of the song that has something to do with flowers growing over the sea, and that is where Christ was born and lived and did his mortal work. It&#039;s a visual reminder to me, of a beautiful life, as Christ is the creator. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so late on this, but I want to comment and just say the Cross isn&#8217;t the only symbol of Christianity, a good alternative symbol is the fish, and its one, that I have yet to find a reasonable necklace that I like, but its one that I do most certainly believe is a Christian symbol, and it focuses on the work of Christ to &#8220;Be yea fishers of men (and women)&#8221;.  If you don&#8217;t feel comfortable wearing the cross, I would suggest wear the fish. (And as a side note, I would love a necklace that is the fish, with CTR in the middle, it would be fantastic, maybe I can learn wood carving and make my own). As another alternative symbol, I love the messianic Judaism symbol, of Fish, Star of David, and Menorah, I would personally just have the fish and the star of David. I sincerely believe there are a few other symbols that can be used alternatively to the Cross as the sign of christianity. And my Belief is that the Fish, actually was the symbol used by the Ancient Saints, after Christ died, as a sign of who they where during the prosecutions. If anybody has any scholarly evidence of this, please link me to the articles.  </p>
<p> I most certainly have a cross in my bedroom. It is white with a girl praying and I will prominently display that cross in my new home once I&#8217;m married later this year.  I do have a couple cross necklaces, and its from my Great-Grandmother, on my Father&#8217;s maternal side. </p>
<p>I most certainly think we use the Cross, its just reserved for LDS Chaplains to wear. Because Chaplains serve everyone in the military, wearing the cross on their helmets or gear, is a sign to Christians to come to them for spiritual guidance and help. </p>
<p>And lastly I believe that pictures in the Chapel are banned, but I quite like the flowers. I think of the song that has something to do with flowers growing over the sea, and that is where Christ was born and lived and did his mortal work. It&#8217;s a visual reminder to me, of a beautiful life, as Christ is the creator. </p>
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		<title>By: beachboy</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-99964</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a sister that has worn a cross for as long as I have known her and has one on her car tag.She is a member for many years and I&#039;m sure has had at least afew remarks about it.She is about 70 yrs old and has as close of a relationship with the Lord as anyone I know. I personlly don&#039;t use the cross in my daily life but don&#039;t see any thing wrong in using objects to focus your faith ( seer stones, statues of Moroni,Behives)etc. We all use them at some point in life, either in times of strenght or weakness. If we want to know what the Church thinks of the cross we could wear one next Sunday and see who notices. I would say probally no one in my Ward would say anything to me as they would suspect something was up. But really, I wouldn&#039;t wear a cross unless it truely had a reason in my heart,otherwise I would feel I was trampling on things sacred to other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a sister that has worn a cross for as long as I have known her and has one on her car tag.She is a member for many years and I&#8217;m sure has had at least afew remarks about it.She is about 70 yrs old and has as close of a relationship with the Lord as anyone I know. I personlly don&#8217;t use the cross in my daily life but don&#8217;t see any thing wrong in using objects to focus your faith ( seer stones, statues of Moroni,Behives)etc. We all use them at some point in life, either in times of strenght or weakness. If we want to know what the Church thinks of the cross we could wear one next Sunday and see who notices. I would say probally no one in my Ward would say anything to me as they would suspect something was up. But really, I wouldn&#8217;t wear a cross unless it truely had a reason in my heart,otherwise I would feel I was trampling on things sacred to other people.</p>
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		<title>By: dex</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-88364</link>
		<dc:creator>dex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting issue, this.  As a missionary many years ago, I was troubled witnessing the practice some missionaries employed of removing crosses from new converts&#039; homes.  It is something I couldn&#039;t wrap my head around and I just wouldn&#039;t do it.  Seems strangely ironic to me that a church that relys so much on symbolism for so many of our sacred things would shy away from use of a cross.  

What is the downside of someone using a symbol such as a (insert your traditional LDS necklace, CTR ring, etc., here), or a cross to show their devotion to God and acknowledgement of Jesus&#039; awesome sacrifice being accepted in their lives?  No crosses, by golly, but say yess to the sickeningly sappy &quot;Mormon Top 40&quot; songs being performed in LDS meetings.  If the church hadn&#039;t put a stop to the uncontrolled farewell rituals, I&#039;m not sure how much more I could have stomached.

I consider the standard LDS responses to the question to be total bunk and no more than vain attempts to come up with answers to appease the doctrine police (if you are LDS, you are grinning now because every ward has &#039;em).

I find the symbol a positive thing and feel positive when I see someone wearing one....I think it is a brotherhood thing perhaps.  For Mormons to claim it is a &quot;focus&quot; issue is without depth of understanding and hyportical beyond belief.  How can we assert that one particular component of the Atonement carries more sway than another?  

While Mormons get wrapped around the axle regarding the use of a cross, I can&#039;t help but wonder what Christ&#039;s thoulghts would be regarding our insistance in portraying Christ, a Semitic, as having Anglo features.  Interesting notion, that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting issue, this.  As a missionary many years ago, I was troubled witnessing the practice some missionaries employed of removing crosses from new converts&#8217; homes.  It is something I couldn&#8217;t wrap my head around and I just wouldn&#8217;t do it.  Seems strangely ironic to me that a church that relys so much on symbolism for so many of our sacred things would shy away from use of a cross.  </p>
<p>What is the downside of someone using a symbol such as a (insert your traditional LDS necklace, CTR ring, etc., here), or a cross to show their devotion to God and acknowledgement of Jesus&#8217; awesome sacrifice being accepted in their lives?  No crosses, by golly, but say yess to the sickeningly sappy &#8220;Mormon Top 40&#8243; songs being performed in LDS meetings.  If the church hadn&#8217;t put a stop to the uncontrolled farewell rituals, I&#8217;m not sure how much more I could have stomached.</p>
<p>I consider the standard LDS responses to the question to be total bunk and no more than vain attempts to come up with answers to appease the doctrine police (if you are LDS, you are grinning now because every ward has &#8216;em).</p>
<p>I find the symbol a positive thing and feel positive when I see someone wearing one&#8230;.I think it is a brotherhood thing perhaps.  For Mormons to claim it is a &#8220;focus&#8221; issue is without depth of understanding and hyportical beyond belief.  How can we assert that one particular component of the Atonement carries more sway than another?  </p>
<p>While Mormons get wrapped around the axle regarding the use of a cross, I can&#8217;t help but wonder what Christ&#8217;s thoulghts would be regarding our insistance in portraying Christ, a Semitic, as having Anglo features.  Interesting notion, that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lone Danite</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-63472</link>
		<dc:creator>Lone Danite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really dig this blog, I go to it every day.  Thanks for putting in the time on it.  You are the first LDS person I have ever heard acknowledge that they wear a cross.  I was impressed how open and casual you were about it, because (in my opinion) that&#039;s how ALL members of the church should be about the cross.  Christ&#039;s crucifiction was a sacrifice for our sins, and the cross is a representation fo that sacrifice.  I have never taken offense at the cross, or even those huge life-sized Mexican-style catholic crucifixes with gallons of blood sloshed all over them.  Maybe I they should offend me, but they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really dig this blog, I go to it every day.  Thanks for putting in the time on it.  You are the first LDS person I have ever heard acknowledge that they wear a cross.  I was impressed how open and casual you were about it, because (in my opinion) that&#8217;s how ALL members of the church should be about the cross.  Christ&#8217;s crucifiction was a sacrifice for our sins, and the cross is a representation fo that sacrifice.  I have never taken offense at the cross, or even those huge life-sized Mexican-style catholic crucifixes with gallons of blood sloshed all over them.  Maybe I they should offend me, but they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-58821</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctrine has nothing to do with &quot;is it right or wrong&quot;, it&#039;s personal preferance only, or in other words culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctrine has nothing to do with &#8220;is it right or wrong&#8221;, it&#8217;s personal preferance only, or in other words culture.</p>
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		<title>By: KT</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-56670</link>
		<dc:creator>KT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when it is all said and done, a cross is just a cross.  when i wear one i just say it is a plus sign.  symbolism on jewelry is absurd.  it is only a piece of metal, i don&#039;t think jesus will be offended at me wearing jewelry that resembles the cross he gave his life on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when it is all said and done, a cross is just a cross.  when i wear one i just say it is a plus sign.  symbolism on jewelry is absurd.  it is only a piece of metal, i don&#8217;t think jesus will be offended at me wearing jewelry that resembles the cross he gave his life on.</p>
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		<title>By: Holden Caulfield</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-56147</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden Caulfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Rees&#039; presentation at the last Sunstone Symposium regarding the cross gave an interesting brief history of the cross during the 1800s in America.  He discussed the cultural atmosphere which probably led to our church not adopting the cross as a common symbol to be used.  

Joseph Fielding Smith, as only he or his son-in-law could express, wrote the following:
&quot;To many, like the writer, such a custom is repugnant and contrary to the true worship of our Redeemer.  Why should we bow down before a cross or use it as a symbol?  Because our Savior died on the cross, the wearing of crosses is to most Latter-Day Saints in very poor taste and inconsistent to our worship.&quot; (Answers to Gospel Questions, 4:17)

He also went on to use the weapon of death analogy, a dagger or sword in his example.

What makes the difference to me is that he gave his life, it was not taken.  What has made it &quot;repugnant&quot; (a word only a very few---one?--would use) is the tradition in which Mormons have been raised.  We have talked elsewhere about the middle initial syndrome of the general authorities and the &quot;odd&quot; feeling we get when not calling them by their &quot;official names&quot;.  To me it is all culturalization, not the essence of the cross itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Rees&#8217; presentation at the last Sunstone Symposium regarding the cross gave an interesting brief history of the cross during the 1800s in America.  He discussed the cultural atmosphere which probably led to our church not adopting the cross as a common symbol to be used.  </p>
<p>Joseph Fielding Smith, as only he or his son-in-law could express, wrote the following:<br />
&#8220;To many, like the writer, such a custom is repugnant and contrary to the true worship of our Redeemer.  Why should we bow down before a cross or use it as a symbol?  Because our Savior died on the cross, the wearing of crosses is to most Latter-Day Saints in very poor taste and inconsistent to our worship.&#8221; (Answers to Gospel Questions, 4:17)</p>
<p>He also went on to use the weapon of death analogy, a dagger or sword in his example.</p>
<p>What makes the difference to me is that he gave his life, it was not taken.  What has made it &#8220;repugnant&#8221; (a word only a very few&#8212;one?&#8211;would use) is the tradition in which Mormons have been raised.  We have talked elsewhere about the middle initial syndrome of the general authorities and the &#8220;odd&#8221; feeling we get when not calling them by their &#8220;official names&#8221;.  To me it is all culturalization, not the essence of the cross itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawkgrrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heather - that&#039;s a great reminder.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heather &#8211; that&#8217;s a great reminder.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-56029</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put, heather.  That&#039;s the biggest problem with glib rejections of anything - that they over-simplify and unintentionally mis-represent others&#039; beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put, heather.  That&#8217;s the biggest problem with glib rejections of anything &#8211; that they over-simplify and unintentionally mis-represent others&#8217; beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55995</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what most mormons don&#039;t understand about the cross is it&#039;s meaning, especially to protestants. 

A crucifix is a cross with christ hanging from it. It is a symbol of Christ&#039;s sacrifice and not typically worn, but used in rosary and other places like churches.

A CROSS, however, is empty. It is a symbol of the resurrection, of the fact that Christ overcame death and is not there, for he has risen. It&#039;s empty because christ is not dead, but conquered death. It is NOTHING like wearing a pistol around ones neck. 

I always resent seeing the comparisons between a cross and a weapon being made, it shows a lot of ignorance about what other churches believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what most mormons don&#8217;t understand about the cross is it&#8217;s meaning, especially to protestants. </p>
<p>A crucifix is a cross with christ hanging from it. It is a symbol of Christ&#8217;s sacrifice and not typically worn, but used in rosary and other places like churches.</p>
<p>A CROSS, however, is empty. It is a symbol of the resurrection, of the fact that Christ overcame death and is not there, for he has risen. It&#8217;s empty because christ is not dead, but conquered death. It is NOTHING like wearing a pistol around ones neck. </p>
<p>I always resent seeing the comparisons between a cross and a weapon being made, it shows a lot of ignorance about what other churches believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55956</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was wrong.  That&#039;s not uncommon for such young men.</description>
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		<title>By: lmnop!</title>
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		<dc:creator>lmnop!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I ponder the topic of crosses I think back to a comment a missionary made a few years ago. Several young members were hanging out with missionaries. We hiked up a mountain in an area where Catholic pilgrimages are common. At the top of the mountain was a cross. We took pictures of our group and the view. I suggested we take a picture in front of the cross. One missionary dismissed the idea by saying &quot;The cross is an apostate symbol.&quot; At the time I was simply viewing this particular cross as proof that we had reached the peak of the mountain. But I find it an interesting statement and wonder about its validity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I ponder the topic of crosses I think back to a comment a missionary made a few years ago. Several young members were hanging out with missionaries. We hiked up a mountain in an area where Catholic pilgrimages are common. At the top of the mountain was a cross. We took pictures of our group and the view. I suggested we take a picture in front of the cross. One missionary dismissed the idea by saying &#8220;The cross is an apostate symbol.&#8221; At the time I was simply viewing this particular cross as proof that we had reached the peak of the mountain. But I find it an interesting statement and wonder about its validity.</p>
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		<title>By: Keri Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keri Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I joined the church as a teenager, after not having been raised in any religion. When I was choosing my high school class ring, we could pick any number of symbols that were meaningful to us. On one side of my ring, I chose a cross inscribed with the letters &quot;WWJD&quot; (What Would Jesus Do?). I saw it as an expression of my faith. I wore it to school, church, etc., and nobody gave me any trouble for it, although I knew I was bucking culture.
I don&#039;t wear a cross now, but that&#039;s mainly  because I don&#039;t really wear much jewelry at all. I wouldn&#039;t wear a crucifix, though. There&#039;s something about it that strikes me as a bit morbid. (No offense to anyone who finds deep meaning in it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I joined the church as a teenager, after not having been raised in any religion. When I was choosing my high school class ring, we could pick any number of symbols that were meaningful to us. On one side of my ring, I chose a cross inscribed with the letters &#8220;WWJD&#8221; (What Would Jesus Do?). I saw it as an expression of my faith. I wore it to school, church, etc., and nobody gave me any trouble for it, although I knew I was bucking culture.<br />
I don&#8217;t wear a cross now, but that&#8217;s mainly  because I don&#8217;t really wear much jewelry at all. I wouldn&#8217;t wear a crucifix, though. There&#8217;s something about it that strikes me as a bit morbid. (No offense to anyone who finds deep meaning in it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55917</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a significant thing is how as LDS, we focus on Gethsemane as the location of the Atonement being worked out; other Christians do not recognize that anything significant happened there.  For them, the work of salvation was carried out on Calvary,  on the cross.  As the location of their salvation, the cross is sacred to them, and in that sense, is perhaps similar to our pictures of the garden of gethsemane, or even of the temple.
And yes, I would wear one, if I had one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a significant thing is how as LDS, we focus on Gethsemane as the location of the Atonement being worked out; other Christians do not recognize that anything significant happened there.  For them, the work of salvation was carried out on Calvary,  on the cross.  As the location of their salvation, the cross is sacred to them, and in that sense, is perhaps similar to our pictures of the garden of gethsemane, or even of the temple.<br />
And yes, I would wear one, if I had one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55896</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 - That is an interesting idea, Jettboy.  Thank you for sharing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 &#8211; That is an interesting idea, Jettboy.  Thank you for sharing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jettboy</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55890</link>
		<dc:creator>Jettboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what is missing, although what has been said has been important and enlightening, is to discuss the nature of &quot;symbols&quot; in Mormonism. When a symbol is used, what symbol and what kind? Mormons might not use the cross out of historical accidents and might make excuses to keep from starting, but why? I think it has to do with the sacred nature of symbol in Mormonism that is seen in few religions.

How has the Mormon use of symbols start? More often then not any significant symbol is associated with the Temple. There are only two &quot;official&quot; symbols used by the Church that are not tied to the Temple in a direct way and that is the Sacrament and the CTR ring. The Sacrament has a very specific purpose used at a very specific time. It is an extension of our baptismal oaths and covenants. One could argue that makes it partly Temple related. As for the CTR ring, it really started more as a primary gimmick that seems to have slipped from official usage and became consumerist. Paintings commissioned or displayed by the Church are actually rather generic and serving the purpose mostly of garnishing. There are still very few chapels that have any art (symbols) of any kind displayed - not even in the way of Islamic geometric patterns.

The reason Mormonism has not &quot;taken up the cross&quot; is because it already has a symbol that the cross fills in for; and that would be the Temple. Pictures of the Temple in homes are often placed where other religions would put their own symbols. When a prophet says that the symbol of Christ should be our own lives rather than a cross, that means something more than a cute expression of examples to others. That is precisely what the Temple is commanding us to do as members. Not saying that is what the prophets mean by that, but who knows? I have come to the conclusion that crosses are not bad (I prefer and keep, but don&#039;t actually wear, an Ankh), but they are superfluous for Mormon tradition. I might even go so far as to say that Mormons who have gone to the Temple should put it aside. There might be several reasons a Mormon wants to wear a cross, but the only ones I feel that have a legitimate reason are converts and out of friendly gestures. I would love to expand on this topic, but worry about crossing sacred lines by expounding on my thoughts of why the Temple fills in for the Cross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what is missing, although what has been said has been important and enlightening, is to discuss the nature of &#8220;symbols&#8221; in Mormonism. When a symbol is used, what symbol and what kind? Mormons might not use the cross out of historical accidents and might make excuses to keep from starting, but why? I think it has to do with the sacred nature of symbol in Mormonism that is seen in few religions.</p>
<p>How has the Mormon use of symbols start? More often then not any significant symbol is associated with the Temple. There are only two &#8220;official&#8221; symbols used by the Church that are not tied to the Temple in a direct way and that is the Sacrament and the CTR ring. The Sacrament has a very specific purpose used at a very specific time. It is an extension of our baptismal oaths and covenants. One could argue that makes it partly Temple related. As for the CTR ring, it really started more as a primary gimmick that seems to have slipped from official usage and became consumerist. Paintings commissioned or displayed by the Church are actually rather generic and serving the purpose mostly of garnishing. There are still very few chapels that have any art (symbols) of any kind displayed &#8211; not even in the way of Islamic geometric patterns.</p>
<p>The reason Mormonism has not &#8220;taken up the cross&#8221; is because it already has a symbol that the cross fills in for; and that would be the Temple. Pictures of the Temple in homes are often placed where other religions would put their own symbols. When a prophet says that the symbol of Christ should be our own lives rather than a cross, that means something more than a cute expression of examples to others. That is precisely what the Temple is commanding us to do as members. Not saying that is what the prophets mean by that, but who knows? I have come to the conclusion that crosses are not bad (I prefer and keep, but don&#8217;t actually wear, an Ankh), but they are superfluous for Mormon tradition. I might even go so far as to say that Mormons who have gone to the Temple should put it aside. There might be several reasons a Mormon wants to wear a cross, but the only ones I feel that have a legitimate reason are converts and out of friendly gestures. I would love to expand on this topic, but worry about crossing sacred lines by expounding on my thoughts of why the Temple fills in for the Cross.</p>
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		<title>By: gregeth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55863</link>
		<dc:creator>gregeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember hearing a speaker (believe he was a GA) years ago that put an interesting twist on the topic.  He said that the reason to not depict or wear the cross is not because of what is typically said by most (not focusing on crucifiction, negative symbol, etc), but that because of what it represents is so sacred that it doesn&#039;t need to be just put up everywhere.  It was an interesting view and one that I don&#039;t hear very often (I&#039;ve met many who really look down on people who wear a cross which is sad) and he actually continued on to say that it should be a personal decision for people.  Though of course that doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;ll likely see any crucifixes in Church buildings anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember hearing a speaker (believe he was a GA) years ago that put an interesting twist on the topic.  He said that the reason to not depict or wear the cross is not because of what is typically said by most (not focusing on crucifiction, negative symbol, etc), but that because of what it represents is so sacred that it doesn&#8217;t need to be just put up everywhere.  It was an interesting view and one that I don&#8217;t hear very often (I&#8217;ve met many who really look down on people who wear a cross which is sad) and he actually continued on to say that it should be a personal decision for people.  Though of course that doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;ll likely see any crucifixes in Church buildings anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55853</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a beautiful carved wooden cross on the wall in my bedroom.  It belonged to one of my many great grandmothers. I keep it on the wall in honor of her and the sacrifices she made for her family.  I also have a star of David necklace that I often wear.  It belonged to my great grandmother, who was Jewish and also sacrificed a great deal for her family.  I have no problem wearing either a cross or a star of David necklace, nor do I have a problem wearing a CTR ring or bracelet.  They are, after all, jewelry that simply reflects the fact that I am religious.  One of my most precious possessions is a Russian Orthodox icon depicting Jesus Christ and Mary.  It was a gift from a dear friend who left it to me when she died.  It has a cross in the background, and I have it on my wall in the entry of my home. 

I don&#039;t wear crosses to Church, I usually have on the CTR ring and bracelet.  Does that make it any different that wearing a cross?  Both are symbols of our beliefs, one just isn&#039;t culturally acceptable and one is. 

Either way, I think it is a personal choice, and no one&#039;s business but my own.  Like many who have posted, I like to focus on the living Savior, not on the way he left this mortal earth.  But that doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t find the art of the many other religions of the world beautiful.  Oh, I also have a wonderfully carved jade Buddha sitting on my bookshelf, and two Muslim prayer rugs displayed on another wall along with a Hindu goddess.  Guess you could say, I like art for art&#039;s sake and don&#039;t place a lot of value on its religious symbolism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a beautiful carved wooden cross on the wall in my bedroom.  It belonged to one of my many great grandmothers. I keep it on the wall in honor of her and the sacrifices she made for her family.  I also have a star of David necklace that I often wear.  It belonged to my great grandmother, who was Jewish and also sacrificed a great deal for her family.  I have no problem wearing either a cross or a star of David necklace, nor do I have a problem wearing a CTR ring or bracelet.  They are, after all, jewelry that simply reflects the fact that I am religious.  One of my most precious possessions is a Russian Orthodox icon depicting Jesus Christ and Mary.  It was a gift from a dear friend who left it to me when she died.  It has a cross in the background, and I have it on my wall in the entry of my home. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t wear crosses to Church, I usually have on the CTR ring and bracelet.  Does that make it any different that wearing a cross?  Both are symbols of our beliefs, one just isn&#8217;t culturally acceptable and one is. </p>
<p>Either way, I think it is a personal choice, and no one&#8217;s business but my own.  Like many who have posted, I like to focus on the living Savior, not on the way he left this mortal earth.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t find the art of the many other religions of the world beautiful.  Oh, I also have a wonderfully carved jade Buddha sitting on my bookshelf, and two Muslim prayer rugs displayed on another wall along with a Hindu goddess.  Guess you could say, I like art for art&#8217;s sake and don&#8217;t place a lot of value on its religious symbolism.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Grunder</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55839</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Grunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Ray, I certainly applaud DavidH&#039;s comment (# 15) that Mormon non-use of the cross was likely an accident of history, arising from Protestant non-use during the early years of the Church.  American Protestant writings of the early nineteenth century referred often to Christ suffering and dying on the cross.  A few American Protestants of that period even had visions of Christ on the cross.  However, during all my immersion in Protestant writings of that place and time, I have never gotten the impression that they used the cross symbol very much at all.  An 1824 Northeastern publication on the millennium included the following comment by British millenarian writer George Stanley Faber (1773-1854):

&quot;With regard to the mark of the beast, I think with Sir Isaac Newton, that it is the cross.  This symbol has been abused by the Papists to the purposes both of the most infernal cruelties, and of the most childish superstition.&quot;  —Ray Potter. &lt;em&gt;A Treatise on the Millennium, Or Latter-Day Glory of the Church, Compiled Principally From the Productions of Late Eminent Writers Upon that Subject. . . . By Ray Potter, Minister of the Gospel, Pawtucket.&lt;/em&gt; (Providence: Brown &amp; Danforth, Printers, 1824), 269.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Ray, I certainly applaud DavidH&#8217;s comment (# 15) that Mormon non-use of the cross was likely an accident of history, arising from Protestant non-use during the early years of the Church.  American Protestant writings of the early nineteenth century referred often to Christ suffering and dying on the cross.  A few American Protestants of that period even had visions of Christ on the cross.  However, during all my immersion in Protestant writings of that place and time, I have never gotten the impression that they used the cross symbol very much at all.  An 1824 Northeastern publication on the millennium included the following comment by British millenarian writer George Stanley Faber (1773-1854):</p>
<p>&#8220;With regard to the mark of the beast, I think with Sir Isaac Newton, that it is the cross.  This symbol has been abused by the Papists to the purposes both of the most infernal cruelties, and of the most childish superstition.&#8221;  —Ray Potter. <em>A Treatise on the Millennium, Or Latter-Day Glory of the Church, Compiled Principally From the Productions of Late Eminent Writers Upon that Subject. . . . By Ray Potter, Minister of the Gospel, Pawtucket.</em> (Providence: Brown &amp; Danforth, Printers, 1824), 269.</p>
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		<title>By: oscar</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55837</link>
		<dc:creator>oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

&#039;When I go to our chapels I rarely think of Jesus their are no pictures of him in the lobby or hallways - nothing.&#039; 
If this is the case then do something about it and ask your ward leaders to put some pictures on the walls in your chapel. 

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>&#8216;When I go to our chapels I rarely think of Jesus their are no pictures of him in the lobby or hallways &#8211; nothing.&#8217;<br />
If this is the case then do something about it and ask your ward leaders to put some pictures on the walls in your chapel. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55817</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think most LDS people would look down on another member who was wearing a cross, they most likely would just be curious and find it interesting.  When you are part of a culture that has many unwritten rules about what you do and don&#039;t do you can&#039;t expect one not to be curious and questioning when one &quot;goes against the grain&quot; so to speak.  If an LDS person is really living true to their beliefs they will not make judgments or assumptions based on what they see.  Of course you will always have members that judge or look down on others but for the most part we have to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are trying to be like the Savior.  

Having said that you have to know if you have been a member of the LDS faith for very long that it is not customary for LDS people to wear crosses and whatever the reasons are for not doing so, you are going to make people curious and wonder if you do wear one.  Anytime you choose to do something that is not customary in a &quot;culture&quot; you will raise curiousity....it&#039;s just the nature of the beast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think most LDS people would look down on another member who was wearing a cross, they most likely would just be curious and find it interesting.  When you are part of a culture that has many unwritten rules about what you do and don&#8217;t do you can&#8217;t expect one not to be curious and questioning when one &#8220;goes against the grain&#8221; so to speak.  If an LDS person is really living true to their beliefs they will not make judgments or assumptions based on what they see.  Of course you will always have members that judge or look down on others but for the most part we have to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are trying to be like the Savior.  </p>
<p>Having said that you have to know if you have been a member of the LDS faith for very long that it is not customary for LDS people to wear crosses and whatever the reasons are for not doing so, you are going to make people curious and wonder if you do wear one.  Anytime you choose to do something that is not customary in a &#8220;culture&#8221; you will raise curiousity&#8230;.it&#8217;s just the nature of the beast.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55813</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 - DavidH, thanks for your comment.  That is a very logical conclusion, and it&#039;s a much better answer than most of the automatic responses we hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 &#8211; DavidH, thanks for your comment.  That is a very logical conclusion, and it&#8217;s a much better answer than most of the automatic responses we hear.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFaithfulDissident</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/30/are-we-cross-at-the-cross/#comment-55808</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFaithfulDissident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of wish it could be more of a personal decision as to how prominent the cross is in our personal lives.  I mean, hopefully all Mormons will agree that the cross or a crucifix isn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;offensive.&lt;/i&gt;  That some would prefer not to wear one is fine, but should we look down on fellow Mormons who do?  If I saw someone in my branch wearing a cross around their necks, I wouldn&#039;t dream of saying, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Hey, why are you wearing THAT?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  And yet I know that some would do exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of wish it could be more of a personal decision as to how prominent the cross is in our personal lives.  I mean, hopefully all Mormons will agree that the cross or a crucifix isn&#8217;t <i>offensive.</i>  That some would prefer not to wear one is fine, but should we look down on fellow Mormons who do?  If I saw someone in my branch wearing a cross around their necks, I wouldn&#8217;t dream of saying, <i>&#8220;Hey, why are you wearing THAT?&#8221;</i>  And yet I know that some would do exactly that.</p>
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