Its kind of like giving a bunch of money to humanitarian aid – it does a lot of good and you never have to get your hands dirty- BRILLIANT!!

The Apostle Orson Pratt said this in The Seer, pg. 37-38;

It’s an ego thing- only joking if he is reading this

Couldn’t find a thing on it actually. It does seem like a self esteem problem which Im sure its not but we just don’t understand its interpretation of it.

#7: Ironically, that presentation speaks about the mormon concept of being god. So maybe listen to it. Perhaps when speaking of becoming like gods we got a little ahead of ourselves when leaders spoke about going to a corner of the cosmos and just getting busy creating stuff.

8#: I always thought the 10% of the brain idea was a bit of a fallacy. However, I have the suggestion that at the moment we can’t think of more than one thing at a time, whereas perhaps we will have the ability after this life to think of more than one thing. Also I do think some sort of collective intelligence is a possibility and is perhaps more part of being a god than is than is creating lots of kingdoms and having millions of kids and yeah i agree that God has help.

For the sake of civility and sanity, let’s limit that discussion and approach to the MANY threads that deal with it directly, ok?

“…I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, also my Saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it.” (Journal of Discourses, 8:211)

The Apostle Orson Pratt said this in The Seer, pg. 37-38;
“Each God, through his wife or wives, raises up a numerous family of sons and daughters…each father and mother will be in a condition to multiply forever and ever. As soon as each God has begotten many millions of male and female spirits, and his Heavenly inheritance becomes too small, to comfortably accommodate his great family, he, in connection with his sons, organizes a new world… where he sends both the male and female spirits to inhabit tabernacles of flesh and bones…. The inhabitants of each world are required to reverence, adore, and worship their own personal father who dwells in the Heaven which they formerly inhabited…If we admit that one personage was the Father of all this great family and that they were all born of the same Mother, the period of time intervening between the birth of the oldest and the youngest spirit must have been immense. If we suppose, as an average, that only one year intervened between each birth, then it would have required over one hundred thousand million of years for the same Mother to have given birth to this vast family…”

Think of it: if all the miracles (which turning on the sun, moving mountains, et. al. are) fail while charity doesn’t, what’s the moving force? “The first cause” if you will? Perfect love. Perfect patience. These attributes in perfection are the kinds of things that makes the universe function.

Provided we take that scripture as being in anyway related to the physical universe (and the LDS in me says that we should, given our refusal to accept the mind-matter dichotomy).

As far as forgetting to charge up the sun for a planet in the next life….I think that forgetfulness is only a part of this life and it will not exist in the next. As far as procrastination, I’m assuming we will be living in the ever present so that shouldn’t be a problem anymore either!

“You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

This post also really reminds me of Hamlet–facing the horror of existence and the burden of choice, for instance. I suppose a big part of our satisfaction has to do with whether or not we are self-aware in this life (i.e., do we *know* we have free will, or is it more like interactive TV?).

Subversively, maybe Satan *did* win, and he *wants* you to think that you have free will and can coherently, independently discuss this (tongue-in-cheek).

Based on our scant scriptural record, I believe it means Satan was offering to take Christ’s place as our savior and forgive everyone’s sins without preconditions, i.e. no suffering/repentence necessary.

I wrote a little more about it here: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dd9fzdth_28228tg6g4

I was listening to a presentation by Blake Ostler this morning where he noted that agency does not exist in a vacuum, meaning it always has a context. There are always forces or influences that seem to be pushing or pulling us to do this or that. I think I can recall some statements about being enticed by God or Satan in the scriptures, maybe by Lehi(??). Then this would suggest that agency is not really about being free to choose, but about making a choice of life-coach. Perhaps the agency you refer to this is kind of idealised agency in a vacuum where we are rational and make the right choices because we have all the facts (long-term and short-term) but it does seem to me that God wanted this life to be that way, or perhaps he could not create a mortality that was any different?

So yes, i guess there will be a few unchanged suns and yes we can’t avoid putting our lives in others hands and maybe we would have thought satan’s plan was worth it (but God didn’t so maybe we have missed that choice)…