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	<title>Comments on: Dissecting Porn: A look at some interesting statistics.</title>
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		<title>By: LDS Anarchist</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/03/dissecting-porn-a-look-at-some-interesting-statistics/#comment-98071</link>
		<dc:creator>LDS Anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you agree that this is a problem that is tied to religion or is it better explained by something else?

There is an easy explanation: the women in Idaho are hot, while the women in Utah are ugly and fat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you agree that this is a problem that is tied to religion or is it better explained by something else?</p>
<p>There is an easy explanation: the women in Idaho are hot, while the women in Utah are ugly and fat.</p>
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		<title>By: BellaMia</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/03/dissecting-porn-a-look-at-some-interesting-statistics/#comment-73807</link>
		<dc:creator>BellaMia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 18:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a female convert of 35 years.  I&#039;ve taught the lessons on chastity that are in the manuals for youth and adults.  They are very positive towards sex - natural, healthly, for bonding, and enjoyment, not just pro-creative.  All these manuals are available to the public on line at lds.org.  Go to Prepare a Lesson.  A friend who is a sex therapist and marriage and family counselor joined the church 15 year ago.  She said that the LDS faith was the most &quot;sex-positive&quot; faith she had ever studied prior to joining.  From everything I&#039;ve ever read, I&#039;d have to agree with her.

So why the on-line porn issue?  I think it does have to do with availability.  My teenagers tell me that all their high school friends use porn - her in new Jersey.  It is so ubiquitous in the culture that it&#039;s like posters on the wall - no big deal.  Utah just has  more restrictions on the sale of pornography. The question is why do outsiders care if the LDS have a higher use rate, if the outsiders think porn is not problematic - even healthy.

Why look at this only in a negative way?  Maybe Utah males are the most virile, most passionate, and the horninest.  Is this a problem for outsiders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a female convert of 35 years.  I&#8217;ve taught the lessons on chastity that are in the manuals for youth and adults.  They are very positive towards sex &#8211; natural, healthly, for bonding, and enjoyment, not just pro-creative.  All these manuals are available to the public on line at lds.org.  Go to Prepare a Lesson.  A friend who is a sex therapist and marriage and family counselor joined the church 15 year ago.  She said that the LDS faith was the most &#8220;sex-positive&#8221; faith she had ever studied prior to joining.  From everything I&#8217;ve ever read, I&#8217;d have to agree with her.</p>
<p>So why the on-line porn issue?  I think it does have to do with availability.  My teenagers tell me that all their high school friends use porn &#8211; her in new Jersey.  It is so ubiquitous in the culture that it&#8217;s like posters on the wall &#8211; no big deal.  Utah just has  more restrictions on the sale of pornography. The question is why do outsiders care if the LDS have a higher use rate, if the outsiders think porn is not problematic &#8211; even healthy.</p>
<p>Why look at this only in a negative way?  Maybe Utah males are the most virile, most passionate, and the horninest.  Is this a problem for outsiders?</p>
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		<title>By: Mytha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mytha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder about the chicken-and-the-egg aspect... Do church leaders talk about porn so much because it&#039;s a big problem, or is it a big problem because church leaders talk about it so much?  Maybe at some point people just want to see what all the fuss is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder about the chicken-and-the-egg aspect&#8230; Do church leaders talk about porn so much because it&#8217;s a big problem, or is it a big problem because church leaders talk about it so much?  Maybe at some point people just want to see what all the fuss is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Gilkerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Gilkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These stats are very interesting to look at. Not sure what conclusions we can draw from them, but still interesting to see.

Have you heard of Covenant Eyes accountability software? - www.CovenantEyes.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These stats are very interesting to look at. Not sure what conclusions we can draw from them, but still interesting to see.</p>
<p>Have you heard of Covenant Eyes accountability software? &#8211; <a href="http://www.CovenantEyes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.CovenantEyes.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Utah&#8217;s #1! In porn consumption&#8230; &#171; The Visitors&#8217; Center</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/03/dissecting-porn-a-look-at-some-interesting-statistics/#comment-62639</link>
		<dc:creator>Utah&#8217;s #1! In porn consumption&#8230; &#171; The Visitors&#8217; Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] anywhere near all the types of porn available, and Utah isn&#8217;t all Mormon.  Mormon Matters discusses these flaws, and points out the low rate of porn consumption in (heavily Mormon) Idaho.  Chris Smith [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] anywhere near all the types of porn available, and Utah isn&#8217;t all Mormon.  Mormon Matters discusses these flaws, and points out the low rate of porn consumption in (heavily Mormon) Idaho.  Chris Smith [...]</p>
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		<title>By: N.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/03/dissecting-porn-a-look-at-some-interesting-statistics/#comment-60968</link>
		<dc:creator>N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nothing interesting to add here.
(1) however, I have seen a few self-proclaimed sociologists and statisticians who have issues about the study and its conclusions. I can&#039;t say one way or another. It just gives me pause to not take every &quot;study&quot; at face value, or even that it really says what it proclaims to say about its subject. I now realize that this is almost &quot;poisoning the well,&quot; sadly.
(2) The study measures online porn paid accounts, etc. UT, IIRC from my years there, frowns on easily accessible non-computer porn. No newsstand playboy, it seemed. All the ads I saw on billboards for &#039;adult materials&#039; were for shops in WY. Even the local video stores near my house were firmly &quot;family friendly&quot; and had very few R-movies. IIRC the strip clubs are regulated to almost beach-level of skin, and no smaller towns want the clubs so they keep getting kicked around. This leads me to believe that the reason (if a reason is needed or can be inferred) online porn per capita is higher in UT than many places is that the local laws make it difficult to get smut easily in real-life. If you don&#039;t get a 2x yearly skin mag at the book store, you may try to get it online.  This whole things looks like money running down the path of least resistance.  If I had to drive hours to WY to get item X, I&#039;d order it online first. If it was the corner store, I&#039;d probably *never* order it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nothing interesting to add here.<br />
(1) however, I have seen a few self-proclaimed sociologists and statisticians who have issues about the study and its conclusions. I can&#8217;t say one way or another. It just gives me pause to not take every &#8220;study&#8221; at face value, or even that it really says what it proclaims to say about its subject. I now realize that this is almost &#8220;poisoning the well,&#8221; sadly.<br />
(2) The study measures online porn paid accounts, etc. UT, IIRC from my years there, frowns on easily accessible non-computer porn. No newsstand playboy, it seemed. All the ads I saw on billboards for &#8216;adult materials&#8217; were for shops in WY. Even the local video stores near my house were firmly &#8220;family friendly&#8221; and had very few R-movies. IIRC the strip clubs are regulated to almost beach-level of skin, and no smaller towns want the clubs so they keep getting kicked around. This leads me to believe that the reason (if a reason is needed or can be inferred) online porn per capita is higher in UT than many places is that the local laws make it difficult to get smut easily in real-life. If you don&#8217;t get a 2x yearly skin mag at the book store, you may try to get it online.  This whole things looks like money running down the path of least resistance.  If I had to drive hours to WY to get item X, I&#8217;d order it online first. If it was the corner store, I&#8217;d probably *never* order it.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Smith</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/03/dissecting-porn-a-look-at-some-interesting-statistics/#comment-60943</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One possible reason for the differential between Utah and Idaho is the difference between LDS as a religious subculture and LDS as a religious superculture.  In other words, Idaho LDS are strong enough to have good support networks and a strong community identity, but weak enough to be something of a counterculture.  Under such conditions, rebellion and religiosity can actually be allies.  In Utah, where LDS are a strongly dominant superculture, rebellion and iconoclasm take the form of porn use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One possible reason for the differential between Utah and Idaho is the difference between LDS as a religious subculture and LDS as a religious superculture.  In other words, Idaho LDS are strong enough to have good support networks and a strong community identity, but weak enough to be something of a counterculture.  Under such conditions, rebellion and religiosity can actually be allies.  In Utah, where LDS are a strongly dominant superculture, rebellion and iconoclasm take the form of porn use.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL, Slumdog Millionaire &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOL, Slumdog Millionaire &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from someone else (and really, I&#8217;m doing minimal research on this&#8230;I&#8217;m not like this guy, who does incredible research on top of the research of pornography subscription in Utah) that the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from someone else (and really, I&#8217;m doing minimal research on this&#8230;I&#8217;m not like this guy, who does incredible research on top of the research of pornography subscription in Utah) that the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve W,

Software programs currently exist that block porn..  In my experience they block so many websites they are impossible for adults to use.  It would probably block this page simply because it references porn.

I have found accountability software to work quite well.  The accountability software only sends questionable websites to the people you choose.  If you fiddle with the program (like uninstall it, install another browser, etc.) it will also notify your accountabiilty partner(s).  It might not be the solution for everyone, but I find it to be the best option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve W,</p>
<p>Software programs currently exist that block porn..  In my experience they block so many websites they are impossible for adults to use.  It would probably block this page simply because it references porn.</p>
<p>I have found accountability software to work quite well.  The accountability software only sends questionable websites to the people you choose.  If you fiddle with the program (like uninstall it, install another browser, etc.) it will also notify your accountabiilty partner(s).  It might not be the solution for everyone, but I find it to be the best option.</p>
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		<title>By: steve w</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure about p0rn BUT for gambling (which is my addiction - and 14 months into recovery thank you very much) there is software you can get called &quot;gamblock&quot; which you instal and this stops you going on any sites to do with gambling
id rather this than accountability software 

i think personally that the accountability software sparks far too much of 1984

that is of course just my own opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure about p0rn BUT for gambling (which is my addiction &#8211; and 14 months into recovery thank you very much) there is software you can get called &#8220;gamblock&#8221; which you instal and this stops you going on any sites to do with gambling<br />
id rather this than accountability software </p>
<p>i think personally that the accountability software sparks far too much of 1984</p>
<p>that is of course just my own opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Cicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you get strange results, it makes using a single study rather iffy.

It&#039;s not just the difference between Utah and Idaho.

Why the difference between Tennessee and the surrounding states?

Why the difference between New York and New Jersey?

Something is explaining this besides religion.

Oh... and I think is extremely lame to proscribe charges of hypocrisy based on state level data.  Why not look at studies that directly measure a persons religious commitment as well as their level of pornography use?  Those tend to show a very slight negative effect on the use of pornography among religious folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you get strange results, it makes using a single study rather iffy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just the difference between Utah and Idaho.</p>
<p>Why the difference between Tennessee and the surrounding states?</p>
<p>Why the difference between New York and New Jersey?</p>
<p>Something is explaining this besides religion.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230; and I think is extremely lame to proscribe charges of hypocrisy based on state level data.  Why not look at studies that directly measure a persons religious commitment as well as their level of pornography use?  Those tend to show a very slight negative effect on the use of pornography among religious folk.</p>
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		<title>By: Orchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pornography habits, AJ (#11), typically differ greatly between men and women.

Generally speaking, women are not sexually stimulated in quite the same fashion as men, and many women do not find sexually explicit images to be enticing in quite the same way as most men do.  So we find that women typically do not view the same pornography as men.  

Pornographic material for women tends to run more like a romance novel with sexually explicit scenes rather than a picture book, at least classically speaking.  Women looking at a magazine with scantily clad women are likely looking for fashion tips, and women looking at nearly (or completely) naked men are really quite not as common.  Living near Philadelphia, it&#039;s pretty simple to think of the radio &amp; other ads I hear for various clubs for men, but I haven&#039;t heard of a single club catering to women to see male dancers.  It&#039;s just not quite the same thing at all.

Concerned about pornography among LDS women?  Look at the books they are reading--I&#039;d bet money that they get more sexual stimulation out of that than most of the pornography made for men.  

But AJ, you are right about one thing--pornography is NOT just limited to men.  But the form of pornography is exceptionally different by gender.  This is hardly shocking.

Of course my major concern is what to do about it.  Shame and guilt are clearly not effecting the deep and abiding change desired by the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pornography habits, AJ (#11), typically differ greatly between men and women.</p>
<p>Generally speaking, women are not sexually stimulated in quite the same fashion as men, and many women do not find sexually explicit images to be enticing in quite the same way as most men do.  So we find that women typically do not view the same pornography as men.  </p>
<p>Pornographic material for women tends to run more like a romance novel with sexually explicit scenes rather than a picture book, at least classically speaking.  Women looking at a magazine with scantily clad women are likely looking for fashion tips, and women looking at nearly (or completely) naked men are really quite not as common.  Living near Philadelphia, it&#8217;s pretty simple to think of the radio &amp; other ads I hear for various clubs for men, but I haven&#8217;t heard of a single club catering to women to see male dancers.  It&#8217;s just not quite the same thing at all.</p>
<p>Concerned about pornography among LDS women?  Look at the books they are reading&#8211;I&#8217;d bet money that they get more sexual stimulation out of that than most of the pornography made for men.  </p>
<p>But AJ, you are right about one thing&#8211;pornography is NOT just limited to men.  But the form of pornography is exceptionally different by gender.  This is hardly shocking.</p>
<p>Of course my major concern is what to do about it.  Shame and guilt are clearly not effecting the deep and abiding change desired by the church.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is odd that people think only men look at porn. I am sure it is a problem for some lds women too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is odd that people think only men look at porn. I am sure it is a problem for some lds women too.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared: Overcome is probably a deceptive term for pr0n addiction: like alcoholism, pr0n addicts will always have a susceptibility to pr0n whether they view it or not, regardless of how many years it has been since the last time they used. &quot;Manage&quot; the addiction is probably better. I speak not as an professional expert, but as one who &quot;manages&quot; his addiction pretty well.

What worked for me? Clarity and honest with spouse, lack of judgment for slip-ups, but most of all, greater self-discovery to uncover the underlying causes of my propensity for pr0n. For me, it was stress triggered, particularly as I felt that my life was spinning out of control. Not out of control in the making terrible life choices, neglecting family and friends, spending money profligately, using other forms of drugs, escalating sexual interests to sexual encounters, or anything of the sort. The spinning out of control was more because I sensed my life being programmed for me, and I was walking in lock-step with every &quot;best&quot;, &quot;ideal&quot;, or &quot;expected&quot; decision. Pr0n was a secret means of escape from that feeling of entrapment, and a way of taking control over one aspect of my own life without. Of course, continuing to outwardly make the &quot;right&quot; choices while harboring the secret within caused a lot of dissonance, angst, dread, guilt, and sometimes despair.

Now I make sure I feel in control to pursue my own interests in life and express myself in ways that satisfy _me_, not necessarily others. After the withdrawal symptoms associated with regular pr0n subside after a couple weeks, the urge to seek out pr0n again stays low as long as I&#039;m focused on things that bring me personal satisfaction in other realms (scholarship, reading for pleasure, exercise and sports, spending time with children, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared: Overcome is probably a deceptive term for pr0n addiction: like alcoholism, pr0n addicts will always have a susceptibility to pr0n whether they view it or not, regardless of how many years it has been since the last time they used. &#8220;Manage&#8221; the addiction is probably better. I speak not as an professional expert, but as one who &#8220;manages&#8221; his addiction pretty well.</p>
<p>What worked for me? Clarity and honest with spouse, lack of judgment for slip-ups, but most of all, greater self-discovery to uncover the underlying causes of my propensity for pr0n. For me, it was stress triggered, particularly as I felt that my life was spinning out of control. Not out of control in the making terrible life choices, neglecting family and friends, spending money profligately, using other forms of drugs, escalating sexual interests to sexual encounters, or anything of the sort. The spinning out of control was more because I sensed my life being programmed for me, and I was walking in lock-step with every &#8220;best&#8221;, &#8220;ideal&#8221;, or &#8220;expected&#8221; decision. Pr0n was a secret means of escape from that feeling of entrapment, and a way of taking control over one aspect of my own life without. Of course, continuing to outwardly make the &#8220;right&#8221; choices while harboring the secret within caused a lot of dissonance, angst, dread, guilt, and sometimes despair.</p>
<p>Now I make sure I feel in control to pursue my own interests in life and express myself in ways that satisfy _me_, not necessarily others. After the withdrawal symptoms associated with regular pr0n subside after a couple weeks, the urge to seek out pr0n again stays low as long as I&#8217;m focused on things that bring me personal satisfaction in other realms (scholarship, reading for pleasure, exercise and sports, spending time with children, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to have someone who deals professionally with the struggles LDS have in overcoming porn addiction. In addition, it would be valuable to hear from someone who has recently overcome this addiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to have someone who deals professionally with the struggles LDS have in overcoming porn addiction. In addition, it would be valuable to hear from someone who has recently overcome this addiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Rigel Hawthorne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rigel Hawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some questions/theories, totally without scientific validation,  to throw out that hopefully you can shed light on:

1.  Urban Utah men are more committed to refraining from physical intimacy outside of marriage so they are more likely to satisfy the craving for excitement with pornography and therefore more likely to develop addiction to online pornography?  Men with less commitment to sex outside of marriage are less likely to fret about affairs or relationships with regular non-marital partners.  

2.  Bisexual Urban Utah men may tend to be in more traditional heterosexual type relationships, but may use electronic entertainment to indulge the other aspect of their sexuality rather than have extramarital relationships.  

We&#039;ve heard warnings about how involvment in pornography can lead someone to go down a path to actual physical intimacy against the law of chastity, but is it also possible that people who use porn stay strictly with porn??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some questions/theories, totally without scientific validation,  to throw out that hopefully you can shed light on:</p>
<p>1.  Urban Utah men are more committed to refraining from physical intimacy outside of marriage so they are more likely to satisfy the craving for excitement with pornography and therefore more likely to develop addiction to online pornography?  Men with less commitment to sex outside of marriage are less likely to fret about affairs or relationships with regular non-marital partners.  </p>
<p>2.  Bisexual Urban Utah men may tend to be in more traditional heterosexual type relationships, but may use electronic entertainment to indulge the other aspect of their sexuality rather than have extramarital relationships.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve heard warnings about how involvment in pornography can lead someone to go down a path to actual physical intimacy against the law of chastity, but is it also possible that people who use porn stay strictly with porn??</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent suggestion, Joe.  While it might push those determined to view porn no matter what to &quot;sneakier&quot; use, it is the same principle as a sponsor that works for those in AA who truly are committed.  Anyone who really is committed to not viewing porn and has a friend (NOT a bishop, please, they have enough to do as is) who understands and will not condemn an occasional violation at first should consider such software.  

Always the nitpicker, I have three pretty serious issues with the study that produced this report - or, more accurately, some of the conclusions.  I am NOT saying this isn&#039;t a problem in the Church, because it is, but . . . 

1) The percent differences are absolutely tiny - so tiny that they could disappear easily with the addition of even one other provider in the study.  

2) The study states pretty clearly that an increase in 15-24 year old citizens is the biggest indicator of an increased rate.  That increase alone more than makes up the difference between Utah and most of the other states, including Idaho.  

3) Utah&#039;s religious population is divided denominationally by rural/urban factors more than any other state.  Iow, Utah is over 90% LDS in most rural areas, while the state is 58% Mormon.  That means that Salt Lake County is less than 50% Mormon now - probably quite a bit less than 50%.  That simply means that the 58% LDS figure isn&#039;t reflective of the group being measured, based on the criteria that were used.  

Again, I&#039;m not downplaying the impact of porn in the Church - and I thought, overall, it was a very well constructed study.  I just had to get my nitpicking out of the way.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent suggestion, Joe.  While it might push those determined to view porn no matter what to &#8220;sneakier&#8221; use, it is the same principle as a sponsor that works for those in AA who truly are committed.  Anyone who really is committed to not viewing porn and has a friend (NOT a bishop, please, they have enough to do as is) who understands and will not condemn an occasional violation at first should consider such software.  </p>
<p>Always the nitpicker, I have three pretty serious issues with the study that produced this report &#8211; or, more accurately, some of the conclusions.  I am NOT saying this isn&#8217;t a problem in the Church, because it is, but . . . </p>
<p>1) The percent differences are absolutely tiny &#8211; so tiny that they could disappear easily with the addition of even one other provider in the study.  </p>
<p>2) The study states pretty clearly that an increase in 15-24 year old citizens is the biggest indicator of an increased rate.  That increase alone more than makes up the difference between Utah and most of the other states, including Idaho.  </p>
<p>3) Utah&#8217;s religious population is divided denominationally by rural/urban factors more than any other state.  Iow, Utah is over 90% LDS in most rural areas, while the state is 58% Mormon.  That means that Salt Lake County is less than 50% Mormon now &#8211; probably quite a bit less than 50%.  That simply means that the 58% LDS figure isn&#8217;t reflective of the group being measured, based on the criteria that were used.  </p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not downplaying the impact of porn in the Church &#8211; and I thought, overall, it was a very well constructed study.  I just had to get my nitpicking out of the way.  <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawkgrrrl: I think I read that the online provider of pornography used in the study was one of the premier (i.e. top 10 in site traffic/revenue) in the industry. While this premier provider might provide all sorts of niche content, my guess is that it doesn&#039;t specialize in any one kind of pr0n. I too can&#039;t believe that people actually pay for the stuff when so much is freely available. Undoubtedly, that means there&#039;s a whole lot more use of the free stuff that we can&#039;t get data about (except on Google trends, which shows prevalence of Google searches by region, and in which shows, not surprisingly, that Utahns using Google search for pr0n quite heavily). 

Joe P: Accountability software may work for you, and if it does, by all means, keep using it. I think the problem of pr0n is too big to be solved by something that constantly watches over your shoulder and reports your activities to stakeholders. That might reduce the availability of pr0n to a person, but will not stop the person from desiring pr0n. It may encourage ever more sneaky ways of accessing it without tripping the system. Attraction to the content is then coupled with the thrill of the chase.

For a great discussion on this topic, please see three posts over at BCC &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/03/50-conversations-about-one-thing-part-ii/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/03/50-conversations-about-one-thing-part-iii/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s a long one, but extremely insightful.

For me, the pr0n problem in the LDS context is based on a few factors: 1) a culture of condemnation toward sexual expression (except in bonds of marriage, now to only _one_ wife, and historically for procreative purposes only, oh and, no self-pleasuring) fed by expectations about what a priesthood holder &quot;should&quot; be; 2) an implicit devaluation of women in cultural discourse and doctrinal practice that sadly favors their objectification, so that pr0n use doesn&#039;t feel like much of an ethical violation; 3) a reflection about how poorly the Church confronts the interactions of power, gender, and sexuality (attempts to define appropriate masculine/feminine roles, responsibilities, and attitudes when reality is much messier than black and white idealism); and 4) an inability to discuss, much less promote, healthier attitudes about gender and sexuality because of deeply-ingrained cultural sensitivity (think letters to the editor at BYU about women and their one-strap backpacks, banishiment of Rodin&#039;s Kiss from the BYU campus, or protests outside the Provo Victoria&#039;s Secret). 

Not all of these are the fault of the church, but are endemic to Judeo-Christian attitudes about sexuality, bodies, temptations, sin, etc. Some of it is definitely our own doing, however. What&#039;s clear is that no one seems to know what to do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawkgrrrl: I think I read that the online provider of pornography used in the study was one of the premier (i.e. top 10 in site traffic/revenue) in the industry. While this premier provider might provide all sorts of niche content, my guess is that it doesn&#8217;t specialize in any one kind of pr0n. I too can&#8217;t believe that people actually pay for the stuff when so much is freely available. Undoubtedly, that means there&#8217;s a whole lot more use of the free stuff that we can&#8217;t get data about (except on Google trends, which shows prevalence of Google searches by region, and in which shows, not surprisingly, that Utahns using Google search for pr0n quite heavily). </p>
<p>Joe P: Accountability software may work for you, and if it does, by all means, keep using it. I think the problem of pr0n is too big to be solved by something that constantly watches over your shoulder and reports your activities to stakeholders. That might reduce the availability of pr0n to a person, but will not stop the person from desiring pr0n. It may encourage ever more sneaky ways of accessing it without tripping the system. Attraction to the content is then coupled with the thrill of the chase.</p>
<p>For a great discussion on this topic, please see three posts over at BCC <a>here</a>, <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/03/50-conversations-about-one-thing-part-ii/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/03/50-conversations-about-one-thing-part-iii/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. It&#8217;s a long one, but extremely insightful.</p>
<p>For me, the pr0n problem in the LDS context is based on a few factors: 1) a culture of condemnation toward sexual expression (except in bonds of marriage, now to only _one_ wife, and historically for procreative purposes only, oh and, no self-pleasuring) fed by expectations about what a priesthood holder &#8220;should&#8221; be; 2) an implicit devaluation of women in cultural discourse and doctrinal practice that sadly favors their objectification, so that pr0n use doesn&#8217;t feel like much of an ethical violation; 3) a reflection about how poorly the Church confronts the interactions of power, gender, and sexuality (attempts to define appropriate masculine/feminine roles, responsibilities, and attitudes when reality is much messier than black and white idealism); and 4) an inability to discuss, much less promote, healthier attitudes about gender and sexuality because of deeply-ingrained cultural sensitivity (think letters to the editor at BYU about women and their one-strap backpacks, banishiment of Rodin&#8217;s Kiss from the BYU campus, or protests outside the Provo Victoria&#8217;s Secret). </p>
<p>Not all of these are the fault of the church, but are endemic to Judeo-Christian attitudes about sexuality, bodies, temptations, sin, etc. Some of it is definitely our own doing, however. What&#8217;s clear is that no one seems to know what to do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/03/dissecting-porn-a-look-at-some-interesting-statistics/#comment-60661</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This porn provider is charging for the porn, right?  So, what makes this porn so attractive and unique for Utahns to purchase it?  There is a proliferation of free porn available on the internet.  Why pay for it?  Hawaii and Alaska are scoring fairly high here also.  It makes me wonder if there is a demographic connection.  Is this a porn provider with an ethnic specialty that appeals to Hawaiians, Alaskans, and Utahns disproportionately (e.g. polynesian porn)?  Just a thought.  Or are Utahns more likely to purchase because they have applied filters to their computers to protect children that block the free stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This porn provider is charging for the porn, right?  So, what makes this porn so attractive and unique for Utahns to purchase it?  There is a proliferation of free porn available on the internet.  Why pay for it?  Hawaii and Alaska are scoring fairly high here also.  It makes me wonder if there is a demographic connection.  Is this a porn provider with an ethnic specialty that appeals to Hawaiians, Alaskans, and Utahns disproportionately (e.g. polynesian porn)?  Just a thought.  Or are Utahns more likely to purchase because they have applied filters to their computers to protect children that block the free stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/03/dissecting-porn-a-look-at-some-interesting-statistics/#comment-60659</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ben.  I&#039;ll add this to my treasure trove of data indicating that raising a family in Utah is just as morally hazardous, if not more so, than doing so in California. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ben.  I&#8217;ll add this to my treasure trove of data indicating that raising a family in Utah is just as morally hazardous, if not more so, than doing so in California. <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe P</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/03/dissecting-porn-a-look-at-some-interesting-statistics/#comment-60658</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit it...  I am a Utahn and I&#039;ve struggled with pornography. 

I think the LDS church should suggest that all men that have a problem install accountability software on their computers.  Preferably write their own software and make it available for free.  Accountability software is very effective.  It is installed on your computer and  once a month it emails questionable websites (that were previously visited) to an accountability partner.  This partner could easily be the bishop, other brothers, etc.  In my experience men can&#039;t beat this addiction on their own.  They must have the help of other men.  There is free accountability software available here for those that are interested:  http://x3watch.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit it&#8230;  I am a Utahn and I&#8217;ve struggled with pornography. </p>
<p>I think the LDS church should suggest that all men that have a problem install accountability software on their computers.  Preferably write their own software and make it available for free.  Accountability software is very effective.  It is installed on your computer and  once a month it emails questionable websites (that were previously visited) to an accountability partner.  This partner could easily be the bishop, other brothers, etc.  In my experience men can&#8217;t beat this addiction on their own.  They must have the help of other men.  There is free accountability software available here for those that are interested:  <a href="http://x3watch.com/" rel="nofollow">http://x3watch.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Orchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with that.  I think what really tickles my brain on this is the fact of the wide disparity between Utah and Idaho, both of which have abnormally high LDS populations compared to the US at large.  One is at the top, the other the bottom, in terms of viewing pornography.  This is something that cannot be discounted lightly, and the writers of the article obviously missed the implications (or were unaware of this connection and the rather heavy emphasis that the church places on avoiding pornography--and I&#039;d be a bit surprised if most outsiders WERE aware of this).   From a research perspective it highlights a number of interesting question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with that.  I think what really tickles my brain on this is the fact of the wide disparity between Utah and Idaho, both of which have abnormally high LDS populations compared to the US at large.  One is at the top, the other the bottom, in terms of viewing pornography.  This is something that cannot be discounted lightly, and the writers of the article obviously missed the implications (or were unaware of this connection and the rather heavy emphasis that the church places on avoiding pornography&#8211;and I&#8217;d be a bit surprised if most outsiders WERE aware of this).   From a research perspective it highlights a number of interesting question.</p>
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		<title>By: AdamF</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdamF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how much of it is related to religion but I do think it is a factor. Not religious belief, per se, but rather the societal shame and guilt that surrounds porn use, esp. in LDS culture. Professionally, I think this added shame only makes the cycle of addiction worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how much of it is related to religion but I do think it is a factor. Not religious belief, per se, but rather the societal shame and guilt that surrounds porn use, esp. in LDS culture. Professionally, I think this added shame only makes the cycle of addiction worse.</p>
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