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		<title>By: S.Faux</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91957</link>
		<dc:creator>S.Faux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIV:

I am of the opinion that there are many &quot;ambiguous and unclear&quot; gospel topics, and I think it is a good thing for us (that is, the LDS) to struggle with them.  There are also &quot;fundamental&quot; doctrines that should unify Latter-day Saints, but I don&#039;t think those doctrines are a long list.  Think about the questions asked during a temple recommend interview.  They are pretty minimalist.  We LDS can&#039;t and don&#039;t agree with each other on everything.  We do need Apostles and Prophets to establish boundaries, but I think one of their primary jobs is to get us reading the scriptures and thinking for ourselves.  The Holy Ghost can guide us, and ultimately we will be brought to a unity of the truth.  But, we are far from that point currently.  The Bloggernacle is a living testament of the broad range of thinking among loyal Latter-day Saints.  

Some degrees of freedom are important.  For example, I am glad I have the freedom to study and teach evolution.  I realize this topic drives some of the LDS nuts, but there are also a LOT of LDS scientists (like SteveP) who take the topic completely seriously, and who do NOT see much disharmony in the topic.  Again, I see this diversity of thought as good.

I am just stating an opinion, and I am glad I have the freedom to do so.

By the way, I love YOUR diversity of thought.  You have a distinct voice, and I am glad you express it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIV:</p>
<p>I am of the opinion that there are many &#8220;ambiguous and unclear&#8221; gospel topics, and I think it is a good thing for us (that is, the LDS) to struggle with them.  There are also &#8220;fundamental&#8221; doctrines that should unify Latter-day Saints, but I don&#8217;t think those doctrines are a long list.  Think about the questions asked during a temple recommend interview.  They are pretty minimalist.  We LDS can&#8217;t and don&#8217;t agree with each other on everything.  We do need Apostles and Prophets to establish boundaries, but I think one of their primary jobs is to get us reading the scriptures and thinking for ourselves.  The Holy Ghost can guide us, and ultimately we will be brought to a unity of the truth.  But, we are far from that point currently.  The Bloggernacle is a living testament of the broad range of thinking among loyal Latter-day Saints.  </p>
<p>Some degrees of freedom are important.  For example, I am glad I have the freedom to study and teach evolution.  I realize this topic drives some of the LDS nuts, but there are also a LOT of LDS scientists (like SteveP) who take the topic completely seriously, and who do NOT see much disharmony in the topic.  Again, I see this diversity of thought as good.</p>
<p>I am just stating an opinion, and I am glad I have the freedom to do so.</p>
<p>By the way, I love YOUR diversity of thought.  You have a distinct voice, and I am glad you express it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91262</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s clear from the Niblets voting post that the bloggernacle is whatever Steve Evans says it is -- nothing more, nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s clear from the Niblets voting post that the bloggernacle is whatever Steve Evans says it is &#8212; nothing more, nothing less.</p>
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		<title>By: Bored in Vernal</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91126</link>
		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S. Faux, I wanted to address your comment when I had time to actually think about it.  It may sound very nice for us to say that &quot;Latter-day Saints embrace diversity of thought and individuality of expression.&quot; But is that really desirable when we are talking about doctrine?  I think of some of the conversations that go on at New Cool Thang about atonement and eternal progression and time--and I wonder how it is that our Church has been unable to come to any consensus on these things.  If we do indeed have any theologians working on Latter-day Saint answers to these questions, they are far removed from our GAs and their ponderings have no vehicle to get to the general membership of the Church.  Is a Church which claims to have direct channels of revelation through modern Prophets and Apostles supposed to be so ambiguous and unclear on these subjects?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S. Faux, I wanted to address your comment when I had time to actually think about it.  It may sound very nice for us to say that &#8220;Latter-day Saints embrace diversity of thought and individuality of expression.&#8221; But is that really desirable when we are talking about doctrine?  I think of some of the conversations that go on at New Cool Thang about atonement and eternal progression and time&#8211;and I wonder how it is that our Church has been unable to come to any consensus on these things.  If we do indeed have any theologians working on Latter-day Saint answers to these questions, they are far removed from our GAs and their ponderings have no vehicle to get to the general membership of the Church.  Is a Church which claims to have direct channels of revelation through modern Prophets and Apostles supposed to be so ambiguous and unclear on these subjects?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91109</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is an unwritten order of things in the bloggernacle . . .
:P&quot;

Hilarious.  And as with all things unwritten, only about half the folks involved are ever going to agree the unwritten order actually exists; the other half is going to think it&#039;s all bollocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is an unwritten order of things in the bloggernacle . . . <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>Hilarious.  And as with all things unwritten, only about half the folks involved are ever going to agree the unwritten order actually exists; the other half is going to think it&#8217;s all bollocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaimi</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91105</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an unwritten order of things in the bloggernacle . . . 

:P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an unwritten order of things in the bloggernacle . . .<br />
 <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bored in Vernal</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91050</link>
		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and people are always wondering why women were entrusted with motherhood while men had to be satisfied with priesthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and people are always wondering why women were entrusted with motherhood while men had to be satisfied with priesthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott B.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91032</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&quot;Exactly how unified are our current set of Church authorities on the above issues?&quot;

I have it on good authority that certain unnamed members of the 12 once cornered Elder Bednar and gave him an atomic wedgie because of his dissenting view on the location of Kolob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&#8221;Exactly how unified are our current set of Church authorities on the above issues?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have it on good authority that certain unnamed members of the 12 once cornered Elder Bednar and gave him an atomic wedgie because of his dissenting view on the location of Kolob.</p>
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		<title>By: Rigel Hawthorne</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91021</link>
		<dc:creator>Rigel Hawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have to thank Sister Beck for my lurking and participating in the bloggernacle as well.  It seems like I read an article in a newspaper about the number of responses in a site known as Feminist Mormon Housewives to a well known conference address that involved a story about ironing a child&#039;s dress.  

I looked it up out of sheer curiosity.  I was unsure whether or not I was welcome to contribute comments, so I just lurked.  Then I started hitting the links and somehow found my way here.  

I agree with #1.  I know there was joking about a decision making body for the bloggernacle, but there is an authority held by some to delete comments and to decide who can post and perhaps remove somebody from posting.  Removing somebody from posting could be viewed as making &quot;final decisions on these types of conflicts&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have to thank Sister Beck for my lurking and participating in the bloggernacle as well.  It seems like I read an article in a newspaper about the number of responses in a site known as Feminist Mormon Housewives to a well known conference address that involved a story about ironing a child&#8217;s dress.  </p>
<p>I looked it up out of sheer curiosity.  I was unsure whether or not I was welcome to contribute comments, so I just lurked.  Then I started hitting the links and somehow found my way here.  </p>
<p>I agree with #1.  I know there was joking about a decision making body for the bloggernacle, but there is an authority held by some to delete comments and to decide who can post and perhaps remove somebody from posting.  Removing somebody from posting could be viewed as making &#8220;final decisions on these types of conflicts&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bored in Vernal</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-91003</link>
		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, wonder what that says about my blog, since I was &lt;a href=&quot;http://kolobiv.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-julie-beck-introduced-me-to_6370.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inspired by Julie Beck&lt;/a&gt;!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, wonder what that says about my blog, since I was <a href="http://kolobiv.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-julie-beck-introduced-me-to_6370.html" rel="nofollow">inspired by Julie Beck</a>!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ziff</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-90992</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea, reese. Or maybe we can just elect a president of the Bloggernacle, and she or he can decide who&#039;s in and who&#039;s out. Now let&#039;s see . . . who should we distribute ballots to? Never mind; I guess that would require a firm definition of the Bloggernacle.

I like your thoughts, BiV. I&#039;ve been thinking about this issue too, and you&#039;ve spurred me to come up with another comparison. (Sorry for the tangent.) How about the Bloggernacle is like Christianity? Different Christians have different ideas about who does and doesn&#039;t qualify, and of course this raises the question of who appointed them to be the guardians of the term. But of course there&#039;s also merit to the argument that if it&#039;s defined too broadly--is Hinduism Christianity?--then it loses meaning.

Similarly, we Bloggernacle participants each have our own definition of what&#039;s part of the Bloggernacle and what&#039;s not, and while there&#039;s likely a lot of overlap between our ideas, there are also sure to be idiosyncratic parts as well. And the same question can be raised: who appointed us (or anyone) to be guardians of the term? How are we so sure that anyone defining the term qualifies as in or out in the first place?

I understand one of the arguments against Mormonism being defined as Christian is historical: it&#039;s outside the historical chain of Catholicism and Protestantism. I wonder if you could do a similar thing with the Bloggernacle, that is, use a historical criterion to decide who&#039;s in and who&#039;s out. Perhaps it could be defined as the set of all blogs that traces their roots to some small set of &quot;original&quot; Mormon blogs (T&amp;S, FMH, etc.). I know ZD, for example, was inspired largely by FMH, as well as by T&amp;S and BCC. (I&#039;ve borrowed this idea from Ardis, who &lt;a href=&quot;http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2009/07/03/nacle-numbers-2003-2008-part-2-the-blogs/#comment-53967&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;suggested&lt;/a&gt; representing the Bloggernacle graphically to show which blogs were inspired by or offshoots of which others).

Of course, there are problems with this approach, as blogs can start without being inspired by existing Bloggernacle blogs, and then be integrated later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea, reese. Or maybe we can just elect a president of the Bloggernacle, and she or he can decide who&#8217;s in and who&#8217;s out. Now let&#8217;s see . . . who should we distribute ballots to? Never mind; I guess that would require a firm definition of the Bloggernacle.</p>
<p>I like your thoughts, BiV. I&#8217;ve been thinking about this issue too, and you&#8217;ve spurred me to come up with another comparison. (Sorry for the tangent.) How about the Bloggernacle is like Christianity? Different Christians have different ideas about who does and doesn&#8217;t qualify, and of course this raises the question of who appointed them to be the guardians of the term. But of course there&#8217;s also merit to the argument that if it&#8217;s defined too broadly&#8211;is Hinduism Christianity?&#8211;then it loses meaning.</p>
<p>Similarly, we Bloggernacle participants each have our own definition of what&#8217;s part of the Bloggernacle and what&#8217;s not, and while there&#8217;s likely a lot of overlap between our ideas, there are also sure to be idiosyncratic parts as well. And the same question can be raised: who appointed us (or anyone) to be guardians of the term? How are we so sure that anyone defining the term qualifies as in or out in the first place?</p>
<p>I understand one of the arguments against Mormonism being defined as Christian is historical: it&#8217;s outside the historical chain of Catholicism and Protestantism. I wonder if you could do a similar thing with the Bloggernacle, that is, use a historical criterion to decide who&#8217;s in and who&#8217;s out. Perhaps it could be defined as the set of all blogs that traces their roots to some small set of &#8220;original&#8221; Mormon blogs (T&amp;S, FMH, etc.). I know ZD, for example, was inspired largely by FMH, as well as by T&amp;S and BCC. (I&#8217;ve borrowed this idea from Ardis, who <a href="http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2009/07/03/nacle-numbers-2003-2008-part-2-the-blogs/#comment-53967" rel="nofollow">suggested</a> representing the Bloggernacle graphically to show which blogs were inspired by or offshoots of which others).</p>
<p>Of course, there are problems with this approach, as blogs can start without being inspired by existing Bloggernacle blogs, and then be integrated later.</p>
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		<title>By: reese</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-90986</link>
		<dc:creator>reese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts BiV. So does that mean that the Bloggernacle has 12 apostles to make final decisions on these types of conflicts? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts BiV. So does that mean that the Bloggernacle has 12 apostles to make final decisions on these types of conflicts? <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clean Cut</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/15/church-doctrine-is-like-the-bloggernacle/#comment-90966</link>
		<dc:creator>Clean Cut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Am I off base?&quot;

Quite the contrary, S. Faux.  You&#039;re right on.  Reminds me of Elder Wirthlin&#039;s talk &quot;Concern for the One&quot;.  He addressed &quot;the erroneous belief that all members of the Church should look, talk, and be alike. The Lord did not people the earth with a vibrant orchestra of personalities only to value the piccolos of the world. Every instrument is precious and adds to the complex beauty of the symphony. All of Heavenly Father’s children are different in some degree, yet each has his own beautiful sound that adds depth and richness to the whole.&quot;
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=f1c1558fcc599110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Am I off base?&#8221;</p>
<p>Quite the contrary, S. Faux.  You&#8217;re right on.  Reminds me of Elder Wirthlin&#8217;s talk &#8220;Concern for the One&#8221;.  He addressed &#8220;the erroneous belief that all members of the Church should look, talk, and be alike. The Lord did not people the earth with a vibrant orchestra of personalities only to value the piccolos of the world. Every instrument is precious and adds to the complex beauty of the symphony. All of Heavenly Father’s children are different in some degree, yet each has his own beautiful sound that adds depth and richness to the whole.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&#038;locale=0&#038;sourceId=f1c1558fcc599110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&#038;hideNav=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&#038;locale=0&#038;sourceId=f1c1558fcc599110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&#038;hideNav=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: S.Faux</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.Faux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIV:

Great thoughts.  I hope that the Bloggernacle is merely an empirical testament to the fact that Latter-day Saints embrace diversity of thought and individuality of expression.  Traditionally, the LDS as a group have resisted creeds and catechisms.  Again, I hope this resistance is because our religious society has degrees of freedom.  It seems the LDS are open to learning and to new revelation, and those processes need to take place NOT only at the Church level but at the individual level.

While I am happy to strive to be like Jesus, I feel NO NEED or desire to be like every other Latter-day Saint, in terms of behavior or belief.  The latter would be impossible, in any case.

Latter-day Saints are not sheep and are not homogenized.  We are a world Church that embraces a wide variety of cultures and ideas.  Yes, there are foundational ideas, but they carry with them a lot of latitude.

Am I off base?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIV:</p>
<p>Great thoughts.  I hope that the Bloggernacle is merely an empirical testament to the fact that Latter-day Saints embrace diversity of thought and individuality of expression.  Traditionally, the LDS as a group have resisted creeds and catechisms.  Again, I hope this resistance is because our religious society has degrees of freedom.  It seems the LDS are open to learning and to new revelation, and those processes need to take place NOT only at the Church level but at the individual level.</p>
<p>While I am happy to strive to be like Jesus, I feel NO NEED or desire to be like every other Latter-day Saint, in terms of behavior or belief.  The latter would be impossible, in any case.</p>
<p>Latter-day Saints are not sheep and are not homogenized.  We are a world Church that embraces a wide variety of cultures and ideas.  Yes, there are foundational ideas, but they carry with them a lot of latitude.</p>
<p>Am I off base?</p>
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