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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92850</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew: &quot;So, is what you’re saying that if you have faith, you may receive answers from God, but if you don’t have faith, you simply will not?&quot;

No Andrew, it isn&#039;t a matter of God answering your prayers but of having eyes to see the answers to prayers when they come. Sometimes (as is obvious) the answer is &quot;no&quot; or &quot;yes, but not in the way you thought,&quot; or &quot;what is coming your way answers your prayer by giving you challenges you didn&#039;t want but from which you may grow.&quot; I have prayed to be filled with love, only to be given challenges that stretched me to learn to love. I didn&#039;t see that coming, but when I finally got it I saw it in answer to my prayers. Further, if you don&#039;t have faith, you just won&#039;t pray at all because prayer is the quintessential act of faith. Even the &quot;God, if you&#039;re there . . . &quot; prayers are acts of faith because maybe, just maybe someone is listening. What surprised me was when God started talking back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew: &#8220;So, is what you’re saying that if you have faith, you may receive answers from God, but if you don’t have faith, you simply will not?&#8221;</p>
<p>No Andrew, it isn&#8217;t a matter of God answering your prayers but of having eyes to see the answers to prayers when they come. Sometimes (as is obvious) the answer is &#8220;no&#8221; or &#8220;yes, but not in the way you thought,&#8221; or &#8220;what is coming your way answers your prayer by giving you challenges you didn&#8217;t want but from which you may grow.&#8221; I have prayed to be filled with love, only to be given challenges that stretched me to learn to love. I didn&#8217;t see that coming, but when I finally got it I saw it in answer to my prayers. Further, if you don&#8217;t have faith, you just won&#8217;t pray at all because prayer is the quintessential act of faith. Even the &#8220;God, if you&#8217;re there . . . &#8221; prayers are acts of faith because maybe, just maybe someone is listening. What surprised me was when God started talking back.</p>
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		<title>By: Clean Cut</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92849</link>
		<dc:creator>Clean Cut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blake, thanks for your contributions here.  These are exactly the kind of insights I&#039;ve been needing to read lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake, thanks for your contributions here.  These are exactly the kind of insights I&#8217;ve been needing to read lately.</p>
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		<title>By: jmb275</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92833</link>
		<dc:creator>jmb275</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Clark #31
&quot;I take comfort in this quote from Brigham Young (in the Church BY manual from 10 years back, p.46) “If I ask him to give me wisdom concerning any requirement in life…and get no answer from him, and then do the very best that my judgement will teach me, he is duty-bound to own and honor that transaction, and he will do so for all intents and purposes.”

My feeling is that God wants all of us to become gods, and that will require all of us to make perfect decisions every single time. To help us develop that skill, he often leaves us to our own devices.&quot;

Thank you for this.  I appreciate it.  Of course you certainly could be right.  My approach, after this realization, coupled with many others, was to question the basic assumption of God&#039;s existence altogether.  Maybe I&#039;m wrong.  I hope so.  For me, God was the last thing I doubted.  Of course the church was first.  And I still think I have a propensity to believe.  But I&#039;m more inclined towards Albert Einstein&#039;s views of God.  He believed in some sort of creating force, or energy, that unifies us and created the harmony we see around us.  But he was doubtful as to the existence of a personal god.  Good thoughts though, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Clark #31<br />
&#8220;I take comfort in this quote from Brigham Young (in the Church BY manual from 10 years back, p.46) “If I ask him to give me wisdom concerning any requirement in life…and get no answer from him, and then do the very best that my judgement will teach me, he is duty-bound to own and honor that transaction, and he will do so for all intents and purposes.”</p>
<p>My feeling is that God wants all of us to become gods, and that will require all of us to make perfect decisions every single time. To help us develop that skill, he often leaves us to our own devices.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for this.  I appreciate it.  Of course you certainly could be right.  My approach, after this realization, coupled with many others, was to question the basic assumption of God&#8217;s existence altogether.  Maybe I&#8217;m wrong.  I hope so.  For me, God was the last thing I doubted.  Of course the church was first.  And I still think I have a propensity to believe.  But I&#8217;m more inclined towards Albert Einstein&#8217;s views of God.  He believed in some sort of creating force, or energy, that unifies us and created the harmony we see around us.  But he was doubtful as to the existence of a personal god.  Good thoughts though, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kandy</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92832</link>
		<dc:creator>Kandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should say rather, &quot;because it is important to our own eternal happiness.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should say rather, &#8220;because it is important to our own eternal happiness.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kandy</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92831</link>
		<dc:creator>Kandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Heavenly Father does hear and answer my prayers. I have total faith that he will let me know one way or another that which I have prayed about/for. My faith is never shaken when things happen in a way contrary to what I have prayed for. I believe we all are given those experiences which will make us more like God wants us to be. I know it is important to Him that we always pray constantly and with gratitude because it is important to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Heavenly Father does hear and answer my prayers. I have total faith that he will let me know one way or another that which I have prayed about/for. My faith is never shaken when things happen in a way contrary to what I have prayed for. I believe we all are given those experiences which will make us more like God wants us to be. I know it is important to Him that we always pray constantly and with gratitude because it is important to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what do you all think? Does God literally answer prayers? Or are the prayers answered because we focus on what we need?&quot;

I have had answers come to me that were difficult to hear and were not something I was focused on or even expecting, so having had this experience I would say that God does literally answer prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what do you all think? Does God literally answer prayers? Or are the prayers answered because we focus on what we need?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have had answers come to me that were difficult to hear and were not something I was focused on or even expecting, so having had this experience I would say that God does literally answer prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92816</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience with prayer, I have received answers when I have truly needed them, but I have also not received answers when I have truly needed them (maybe &quot;needed&quot; should be replaced with &quot;wanted&quot;).  I believe that God is involved in every single one of our lives intimately whether we pray to Him or not.  I don&#039;t think He comes closer to one of His children because they pray to Him, but I do think we move closer to Him and we come to understand what His will is for our lives, whether we recognize it immediately or not.  Prayer benefits us greatly because God sees the whole picture and He knows what will bring us lasting joy, even though we may suffer much pain and sorrow to get to that joy.  When we seek to understand His will and we tell Him that is what we desire, we can be assured that He is leading us along.  If we struggle about things related to church or Him, we can be assured that He is patient and will lead us through it, if we remain with Him and trust that He is there. 

I think it is important to remember that when we are too overwhelmed to pray or to angry or hurt, He is still there and will wait for us to approach Him when we can.  He is capable of taking anger and hurt from us if we ask Him.  What is great about prayer is that we can ask for Him to lighten our burdens and He does.  Even if the burden is lifted for several hours before we start to feel it again, we can return to Him in prayer and ask the same thing again and know that He will help us again.  When we find ourselves in this type of situation where a burden is heavy and not taken away, but lightened at times through prayer, we come to understand more about ourselves and God. To me, the gift of having a burden lightened through prayer, if even only for an hour or two at a time, is one of the greatest blessings of prayer.

I believe prayer is for us to show our love to our Maker, to show what we desire, to express who we are and what we care about the most. It is also to ask for help and relief. It is for us to come to know those things about ourselves, things we cannot understand any other way, because God already knows us perfectly.  He knows where our breaking point is and what our hearts truly desire.  He knows our deepests hopes and fears, and what we are capable of becoming.  He also knows how much we love Him or how much we don&#039;t. The wonderful thing is His love isn&#039;t dependent on our love for Him.  He loves us no matter what and always will.  Just knowing someone is there 24/7 to listen, even if we can&#039;t speak our prayers, even if we cannot even whisper them, if they are just our heart breaking, He hears, understands and responds whether we immediately recognize His presence or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience with prayer, I have received answers when I have truly needed them, but I have also not received answers when I have truly needed them (maybe &#8220;needed&#8221; should be replaced with &#8220;wanted&#8221;).  I believe that God is involved in every single one of our lives intimately whether we pray to Him or not.  I don&#8217;t think He comes closer to one of His children because they pray to Him, but I do think we move closer to Him and we come to understand what His will is for our lives, whether we recognize it immediately or not.  Prayer benefits us greatly because God sees the whole picture and He knows what will bring us lasting joy, even though we may suffer much pain and sorrow to get to that joy.  When we seek to understand His will and we tell Him that is what we desire, we can be assured that He is leading us along.  If we struggle about things related to church or Him, we can be assured that He is patient and will lead us through it, if we remain with Him and trust that He is there. </p>
<p>I think it is important to remember that when we are too overwhelmed to pray or to angry or hurt, He is still there and will wait for us to approach Him when we can.  He is capable of taking anger and hurt from us if we ask Him.  What is great about prayer is that we can ask for Him to lighten our burdens and He does.  Even if the burden is lifted for several hours before we start to feel it again, we can return to Him in prayer and ask the same thing again and know that He will help us again.  When we find ourselves in this type of situation where a burden is heavy and not taken away, but lightened at times through prayer, we come to understand more about ourselves and God. To me, the gift of having a burden lightened through prayer, if even only for an hour or two at a time, is one of the greatest blessings of prayer.</p>
<p>I believe prayer is for us to show our love to our Maker, to show what we desire, to express who we are and what we care about the most. It is also to ask for help and relief. It is for us to come to know those things about ourselves, things we cannot understand any other way, because God already knows us perfectly.  He knows where our breaking point is and what our hearts truly desire.  He knows our deepests hopes and fears, and what we are capable of becoming.  He also knows how much we love Him or how much we don&#8217;t. The wonderful thing is His love isn&#8217;t dependent on our love for Him.  He loves us no matter what and always will.  Just knowing someone is there 24/7 to listen, even if we can&#8217;t speak our prayers, even if we cannot even whisper them, if they are just our heart breaking, He hears, understands and responds whether we immediately recognize His presence or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92812</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At JMB in Comment #9

Like you, most of my life-changing were not accompanied by strong spiritual promptings, but were ultimatley decided by rational logic, despite weeks of prayer, fasting and temple attendance.  

I take comfort in this quote from Brigham Young (in the Church BY manual from 10 years back, p.46) &quot;If I ask him to give me wisdom concerning any requirement in life...and get no answer from him, and then do the very best that my judgement will teach me, he is duty-bound to own and honor that transaction, and he will do so for all intents and purposes.&quot;

My feeling is that God wants all of us to become gods, and that will require all of us to make perfect decisions every single time.  To help us develop that skill, he often leaves us to our own devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At JMB in Comment #9</p>
<p>Like you, most of my life-changing were not accompanied by strong spiritual promptings, but were ultimatley decided by rational logic, despite weeks of prayer, fasting and temple attendance.  </p>
<p>I take comfort in this quote from Brigham Young (in the Church BY manual from 10 years back, p.46) &#8220;If I ask him to give me wisdom concerning any requirement in life&#8230;and get no answer from him, and then do the very best that my judgement will teach me, he is duty-bound to own and honor that transaction, and he will do so for all intents and purposes.&#8221;</p>
<p>My feeling is that God wants all of us to become gods, and that will require all of us to make perfect decisions every single time.  To help us develop that skill, he often leaves us to our own devices.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92800</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if God IS persuadable, how is that accomplished?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if God IS persuadable, how is that accomplished?</p>
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		<title>By: jmb275</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92799</link>
		<dc:creator>jmb275</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Andrew S
&quot;It isn’t a question of “if” you’re able to do another post. Everyone here is wondering why you haven’t come on as a permablogger yet.&quot;

Well, I haven&#039;t been invited.  I just figured if you guys thought I added to the group you&#039;d invite me, otherwise, I&#039;d just keep plugging along!!  I didn&#039;t want to push my luck or anything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Andrew S<br />
&#8220;It isn’t a question of “if” you’re able to do another post. Everyone here is wondering why you haven’t come on as a permablogger yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I haven&#8217;t been invited.  I just figured if you guys thought I added to the group you&#8217;d invite me, otherwise, I&#8217;d just keep plugging along!!  I didn&#8217;t want to push my luck or anything!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92796</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re 24 and 25:

So, is what you&#039;re saying that if you have faith, you &lt;b&gt;may&lt;/b&gt; receive answers from God, but if you don&#039;t have faith, you simply will not?

This seems like a really bad game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 24 and 25:</p>
<p>So, is what you&#8217;re saying that if you have faith, you <b>may</b> receive answers from God, but if you don&#8217;t have faith, you simply will not?</p>
<p>This seems like a really bad game.</p>
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		<title>By: jmb275</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92794</link>
		<dc:creator>jmb275</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I pray because I can’t help myself. I pray because I’m helpless. I pray because the need flows out of me all the time, waking and sleeping. It doesn’t change God, it changes me.”

Absolutely brilliant!!  This is a great summation of my thoughts on the matter.

@Blake and @Kent
&quot;he believes that God seeks peers who choose to enter into a loving relationship with Him. He also believes that God experiences our lives with us intimately (not just cognitively) and feels our pain and joys.&quot;

I believe this too (albeit in a more metaphorical sense).  That&#039;s why I&#039;m so confused as to why Blake is suggesting that I don&#039;t understand the nature of God or the relationship He seeks to have with me.  Maybe I just didn&#039;t articulate it very well.  I&#039;m inclined to wonder the same thing hawkgrrrl mentioned:

&quot;Wouldn’t it be mind-blowing if we only get to see God once we become god, and it turns out to be us.&quot;

Anyway, I can&#039;t help but feel that Blake did a bit of assuming when he mentioned my &quot;false assumptions&quot; about God.

To divulge a bit more let me say that I fully respect Blake&#039;s experience with prayer and God and his son.  That&#039;s amazing.  Oh how I wish something like that could happen to me.  I have always said if I could obtain some &quot;unmistakable witness&quot; that the church is true (in a TBM sense), or that God exists I would rescind all my heterodox ideas and go back to being orthodox.  I tried so hard.  I prayed, and fasted, and read, and pondered, and listened and then got...nothing.  It&#039;s all been very disheartening!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I pray because I can’t help myself. I pray because I’m helpless. I pray because the need flows out of me all the time, waking and sleeping. It doesn’t change God, it changes me.”</p>
<p>Absolutely brilliant!!  This is a great summation of my thoughts on the matter.</p>
<p>@Blake and @Kent<br />
&#8220;he believes that God seeks peers who choose to enter into a loving relationship with Him. He also believes that God experiences our lives with us intimately (not just cognitively) and feels our pain and joys.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe this too (albeit in a more metaphorical sense).  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m so confused as to why Blake is suggesting that I don&#8217;t understand the nature of God or the relationship He seeks to have with me.  Maybe I just didn&#8217;t articulate it very well.  I&#8217;m inclined to wonder the same thing hawkgrrrl mentioned:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wouldn’t it be mind-blowing if we only get to see God once we become god, and it turns out to be us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, I can&#8217;t help but feel that Blake did a bit of assuming when he mentioned my &#8220;false assumptions&#8221; about God.</p>
<p>To divulge a bit more let me say that I fully respect Blake&#8217;s experience with prayer and God and his son.  That&#8217;s amazing.  Oh how I wish something like that could happen to me.  I have always said if I could obtain some &#8220;unmistakable witness&#8221; that the church is true (in a TBM sense), or that God exists I would rescind all my heterodox ideas and go back to being orthodox.  I tried so hard.  I prayed, and fasted, and read, and pondered, and listened and then got&#8230;nothing.  It&#8217;s all been very disheartening!</p>
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		<title>By: Chelsea</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92772</link>
		<dc:creator>Chelsea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of a CS Lewis quote as paraphrased on the movie &quot;Shadowlands&quot;: 

&quot;I pray because I can&#039;t help myself. I pray because I&#039;m helpless. I pray because the need flows out of me all the time, waking and sleeping. It doesn&#039;t change God, it changes me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of a CS Lewis quote as paraphrased on the movie &#8220;Shadowlands&#8221;: </p>
<p>&#8220;I pray because I can&#8217;t help myself. I pray because I&#8217;m helpless. I pray because the need flows out of me all the time, waking and sleeping. It doesn&#8217;t change God, it changes me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92752</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew S. -- &quot;“those who don’t believe in answers to prayers” who “will never see.”

Yup, I do affirm that. If you don&#039;t have faith, you&#039;ll never see with eyes of faith. Full stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew S. &#8212; &#8220;“those who don’t believe in answers to prayers” who “will never see.”</p>
<p>Yup, I do affirm that. If you don&#8217;t have faith, you&#8217;ll never see with eyes of faith. Full stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92751</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew S. -- Kent has already done a better job of defending me than I could do, but I just don&#039;t see how anything I said could be construed to assert either that: (1) every prayer will be answered exactly as asked; (2) everyone who prays will have a spiritual experience confirming their faith. Perhaps you could point me to what led you to that conclusion in what I say. However, let me assure you that I don&#039;t believe either (1) or (2) and I&#039;m pretty sure I didn&#039;t say anything to the contrary. 

When I pray, God talks back to me. When I ask questions, often the answer occurs to me immediately in surprising ways. Once I asked where my lost son was and the answer was spoken back to me immediately and I found him right where I knew I would -- but only after I was told in prayer. I know not everyone experiences that, but it is just what I experience. However, I anguish over prayers for others that go unanswered as I have asked and I sometimes feel that God has given a stone instead of bread. Sometimes I argue with God -- tho I have never won the argument. I&#039;m just amazed that he listens to me at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew S. &#8212; Kent has already done a better job of defending me than I could do, but I just don&#8217;t see how anything I said could be construed to assert either that: (1) every prayer will be answered exactly as asked; (2) everyone who prays will have a spiritual experience confirming their faith. Perhaps you could point me to what led you to that conclusion in what I say. However, let me assure you that I don&#8217;t believe either (1) or (2) and I&#8217;m pretty sure I didn&#8217;t say anything to the contrary. </p>
<p>When I pray, God talks back to me. When I ask questions, often the answer occurs to me immediately in surprising ways. Once I asked where my lost son was and the answer was spoken back to me immediately and I found him right where I knew I would &#8212; but only after I was told in prayer. I know not everyone experiences that, but it is just what I experience. However, I anguish over prayers for others that go unanswered as I have asked and I sometimes feel that God has given a stone instead of bread. Sometimes I argue with God &#8212; tho I have never won the argument. I&#8217;m just amazed that he listens to me at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent (MC)</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92718</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent (MC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I think he&#039;s still persuadable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I think he&#8217;s still persuadable.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92714</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re 21:

SteveS, I could offer a heretical view that was popular with my good friend Marcion 1900 years ago.

see...you ever notice how God seemed to be one way for a while...and then this Jesus dude appears on the scene, and God magically becomes another way. I mean, God used to be all, &quot;rah rah rahaaaaaa DESTROY vengeance mayhem!&quot; and then with Jesus, he&#039;s like, &quot;Oh, guys, love love love!&quot;

It seems that God stopped being pursuaded by prayers magically around the ushering and fulfillment of the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 21:</p>
<p>SteveS, I could offer a heretical view that was popular with my good friend Marcion 1900 years ago.</p>
<p>see&#8230;you ever notice how God seemed to be one way for a while&#8230;and then this Jesus dude appears on the scene, and God magically becomes another way. I mean, God used to be all, &#8220;rah rah rahaaaaaa DESTROY vengeance mayhem!&#8221; and then with Jesus, he&#8217;s like, &#8220;Oh, guys, love love love!&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems that God stopped being pursuaded by prayers magically around the ushering and fulfillment of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92710</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone care to bite on comment #4?</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92706</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet in his comment he explicitly notes that it is &quot;those who don’t believe in answers to prayers&quot; who &quot;will never see.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet in his comment he explicitly notes that it is &#8220;those who don’t believe in answers to prayers&#8221; who &#8220;will never see.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kent (MC)</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92705</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent (MC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jmb275, Blake has written &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blakeostler.com/books.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;three books so far&lt;/a&gt; on the type of being he believes God is and, to sum it up in this context, as I understand Blake, he believes that God seeks peers who choose to enter into a loving relationship with Him. He also believes that God experiences our lives with us intimately (not just cognitively) and feels our pain and joys. He believes that God is not static, nor is his behavior pre-determined, but that he responds to our actions and is actively engaged in our lives to bring about our mutually beneficial purposes. Therefore, praying to God is an act of conversation which can result in God being persuaded and in God persuading us. The idea is that the yearnings of prayer can result in at-one-ment with God where we can share his love, mind, wisdom, power, glory, etc., and we share our love, mind, wisdom, power, glory, etc. with him (this is the condescension of Christ). This is the purpose of prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jmb275, Blake has written <a href="http://www.blakeostler.com/books.html" rel="nofollow">three books so far</a> on the type of being he believes God is and, to sum it up in this context, as I understand Blake, he believes that God seeks peers who choose to enter into a loving relationship with Him. He also believes that God experiences our lives with us intimately (not just cognitively) and feels our pain and joys. He believes that God is not static, nor is his behavior pre-determined, but that he responds to our actions and is actively engaged in our lives to bring about our mutually beneficial purposes. Therefore, praying to God is an act of conversation which can result in God being persuaded and in God persuading us. The idea is that the yearnings of prayer can result in at-one-ment with God where we can share his love, mind, wisdom, power, glory, etc., and we share our love, mind, wisdom, power, glory, etc. with him (this is the condescension of Christ). This is the purpose of prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent (MC)</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92704</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent (MC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 Andrew S, I think you are reading into Blake&#039;s comments things he doesn&#039;t assert. I&#039;ll &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quote Blake from a presentation he gave a few years ago&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;C 46 suggests that some have a spiritual gift to know for themselves through the spirit; others have a spiritual gift to have faith in the words of those who know. That seems to me to entail that not everyone will have such direct spiritual confirmation because for them the fact that others have such experiences is sufficient to sustain their faith. In fact, I&#039;ll quote D&amp;C 46:11.

For all have not every gift given to them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the Spirit of God.... To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus is the Son of God, and the he was crucified for the sins of the world. To others it is given to believe on their words, that they might also have eternal life if they continue faithful.

I suggest that that implies that there will be people, even though notwithstanding the promise in Moroni 10, for whom they will not have a direct religious experience. I know lots of faithful Latter-Day Saints, notwithstanding earnest study and long prayer, have not received the burning in the bosom of which I speak. In fact there was a wonderful Relief Society President in Genova who was constantly in crisis because the Elders had promised her that all she had to do was ask and she would have the spiritual experiences like they had. I suggest that maybe her faith was sufficient, and she did have faith.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 Andrew S, I think you are reading into Blake&#8217;s comments things he doesn&#8217;t assert. I&#8217;ll <a href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html" rel="nofollow">quote Blake from a presentation he gave a few years ago</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>D&amp;C 46 suggests that some have a spiritual gift to know for themselves through the spirit; others have a spiritual gift to have faith in the words of those who know. That seems to me to entail that not everyone will have such direct spiritual confirmation because for them the fact that others have such experiences is sufficient to sustain their faith. In fact, I&#8217;ll quote D&amp;C 46:11.</p>
<p>For all have not every gift given to them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the Spirit of God&#8230;. To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus is the Son of God, and the he was crucified for the sins of the world. To others it is given to believe on their words, that they might also have eternal life if they continue faithful.</p>
<p>I suggest that that implies that there will be people, even though notwithstanding the promise in Moroni 10, for whom they will not have a direct religious experience. I know lots of faithful Latter-Day Saints, notwithstanding earnest study and long prayer, have not received the burning in the bosom of which I speak. In fact there was a wonderful Relief Society President in Genova who was constantly in crisis because the Elders had promised her that all she had to do was ask and she would have the spiritual experiences like they had. I suggest that maybe her faith was sufficient, and she did have faith.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92697</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be mind-blowing if we only get to see God once we become god, and it turns out to be us. I realize that sounds like stoner talk, but that would be awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be mind-blowing if we only get to see God once we become god, and it turns out to be us. I realize that sounds like stoner talk, but that would be awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt A.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92690</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, prayer is more a tool for communication than anything else. It is the way I let God know how I am feeling and what I am thinking. I believe He already knows what I am telling Him, but I find it comforting and helpful to articulate those thoughts and feelings. 

As far as the question of prayers being answered, I draw a distinction between my prayers and my requests. My prayers are almost always answered, in the feelings I have and the influence of the Holy Ghost that I feel. My requests, however, for the most part tend not to be granted. One of the reasons for this, I think, is that frequent miraculous interventions defeat the purpose of faith and agency.

I have found that my prayers have changed over the past decade or so, as I have come to that understanding. I no longer pray for relief from my various health issues, but simply ask to be supported through them. I don&#039;t often pray that specific things will happen, but rather I pray for the ability to accept the things that do happen. Through prayer, I have been able to learn the things God wants me to learn from my experiences.

I can&#039;t speak for anyone else&#039;s experiences, but these are some of my thoughts on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, prayer is more a tool for communication than anything else. It is the way I let God know how I am feeling and what I am thinking. I believe He already knows what I am telling Him, but I find it comforting and helpful to articulate those thoughts and feelings. </p>
<p>As far as the question of prayers being answered, I draw a distinction between my prayers and my requests. My prayers are almost always answered, in the feelings I have and the influence of the Holy Ghost that I feel. My requests, however, for the most part tend not to be granted. One of the reasons for this, I think, is that frequent miraculous interventions defeat the purpose of faith and agency.</p>
<p>I have found that my prayers have changed over the past decade or so, as I have come to that understanding. I no longer pray for relief from my various health issues, but simply ask to be supported through them. I don&#8217;t often pray that specific things will happen, but rather I pray for the ability to accept the things that do happen. Through prayer, I have been able to learn the things God wants me to learn from my experiences.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for anyone else&#8217;s experiences, but these are some of my thoughts on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92678</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 jmb275--

Thanks for providing answers to my question. I appreciate the time you took, the detail, and introspection that was apparent in your answer.</description>
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<p>Thanks for providing answers to my question. I appreciate the time you took, the detail, and introspection that was apparent in your answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/22/is-prayer-about-god/#comment-92674</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re 9:

&lt;i&gt;Maybe if I am able to do another post I will divulge my personal story of how I got here. I’m sure the suspense is riveting for everyone!&lt;/i&gt;

jmb, please do not be deceived: It isn&#039;t a question of &quot;if&quot; you&#039;re able to do another post. &lt;b&gt;Everyone&lt;/b&gt; here is wondering why you haven&#039;t come on as a permablogger yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 9:</p>
<p><i>Maybe if I am able to do another post I will divulge my personal story of how I got here. I’m sure the suspense is riveting for everyone!</i></p>
<p>jmb, please do not be deceived: It isn&#8217;t a question of &#8220;if&#8221; you&#8217;re able to do another post. <b>Everyone</b> here is wondering why you haven&#8217;t come on as a permablogger yet.</p>
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