Comments on: The Church’s Litigators http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/ A weekly podcast exploring Mormon culture and current events. Thu, 24 May 2012 04:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Zissa Ramani http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-158565 Zissa Ramani Tue, 02 Aug 2011 07:17:00 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-158565 See how the persecutors can rape and women who come close to death on life support are treated by Nevada.  Now this case goes to the higher court. Suit against Vegas synagogues and rabbis rejected Las Vegas Sun - 11 hours ago The Supreme Court, in a unanimous decision written by Chief Justice Michael Douglas, said the synagogues and rabbis cannot be held liable "for Segelstein's ... See how the persecutors can rape and women who come close to death on life support are treated by Nevada.  Now this case goes to the higher court.

Suit against Vegas synagogues and rabbis rejected
Las Vegas Sun – 11 hours ago
The Supreme Court, in a unanimous decision written by Chief Justice Michael Douglas, said the synagogues and rabbis cannot be held liable “for Segelstein’s …

]]> By: Zissa Ramani http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-158087 Zissa Ramani Mon, 13 Jun 2011 06:33:00 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-158087 Why do the Mormons from LDS in Utah Church persecute Zissa Ramani and child.  How un-humanitarian and piggish for you to attack Muslim families and persecute there children? Zissa Ramani a born Jewess from a holocaust mother was raped a conviction took place and she did come close to death by minutes had a STOMA to live and yet all you racist anti-Semitic bigots believe it is your God given right to treat minorities like lower forums of humans. Well this is going to hurt your chances of radical sex child abuse and women abuse in campaigns. Filthy degrading humans you all are. Thanks Why do the Mormons from LDS in Utah Church persecute Zissa Ramani and child.  How un-humanitarian and piggish for you to attack Muslim families and persecute there children?

Zissa Ramani a born Jewess from a holocaust mother was raped a conviction took place and she did come close to death by minutes had a STOMA to live and yet all you racist anti-Semitic bigots believe it is your God given right to treat minorities like lower forums of humans.

Well this is going to hurt your chances of radical sex child abuse and women abuse in campaigns.

Filthy degrading humans you all are.

Thanks

]]> By: Jeff Breinholt http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111769 Jeff Breinholt Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:18:22 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111769 Thanks. There does seem to be a correlation between being a prominent LDS litigator and getting appointed to a leadership position. How about bloggers who cover legal affairs? I can repent with the best of 'em .... Thanks. There does seem to be a correlation between being a prominent LDS litigator and getting appointed to a leadership position. How about bloggers who cover legal affairs? I can repent with the best of ‘em ….

]]> By: JTM http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111751 JTM Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:16:32 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111751 15. Jeff Von Keetch handles those types of claims and was called as an Area Authority Seventy last year. He is potentially being groomed to be the next General Counsel for the Church when Elder Wickman is eventually released. 15. Jeff
Von Keetch handles those types of claims and was called as an Area Authority Seventy last year. He is potentially being groomed to be the next General Counsel for the Church when Elder Wickman is eventually released.

]]> By: Jeff Breinholt http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111721 Jeff Breinholt Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:46:49 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111721 I stand corrected on #12. Thanks for pointing that out. On #11, and even more interesting question is whether the Church rewards lawyers who are willing when few others are to handle particularly messy litigation, like that involving sexual abuse, by appointing them to leadership positions. I hear that Kirton & McConkie tends to wear its association with Church leadership on its sleeve (pictures of various temples on its walls?) and that it encourages its partners to become mission presidents. This is all rumor, since I would never be allowed in there.... I stand corrected on #12. Thanks for pointing that out.

On #11, and even more interesting question is whether the Church rewards lawyers who are willing when few others are to handle particularly messy litigation, like that involving sexual abuse, by appointing them to leadership positions. I hear that Kirton & McConkie tends to wear its association with Church leadership on its sleeve (pictures of various temples on its walls?) and that it encourages its partners to become mission presidents. This is all rumor, since I would never be allowed in there….

]]> By: brjones http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111717 brjones Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:06:33 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111717 #13 - This statement is monumentally unfair...to male attorneys. They deserve the same level of credit for their pomposity and condescension to their staff (and pretty much everyone else) that female attorneys receive. I think it's important not to discriminate. #13 – This statement is monumentally unfair…to male attorneys. They deserve the same level of credit for their pomposity and condescension to their staff (and pretty much everyone else) that female attorneys receive. I think it’s important not to discriminate.

]]> By: Thomas http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111713 Thomas Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:55:04 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111713 "It’s a shame; my observation is that women bring a vital perspective to the practice of law." Interesting. My observation is that lawyers are lawyers, and the only difference I see based on my admittedly unscientific and limited sample is that female lawyers are rather more comfortable berating the (largely female) support staff. “It’s a shame; my observation is that women bring a vital perspective to the practice of law.”

Interesting. My observation is that lawyers are lawyers, and the only difference I see based on my admittedly unscientific and limited sample is that female lawyers are rather more comfortable berating the (largely female) support staff.

]]> By: Sam B. http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111712 Sam B. Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:48:17 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111712 Jeff, Per Lexis, in the text accompanying footnote 12, it's actually Michael Costello, not Mark Costello. It doesn't really matter at all, except that a Mark Costello, who appears to have been an attorney, cowrote a book about rap with David Foster Wallace (<a href="http://www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/9780880015356/David+Foster+Wallace/Signifying+Rappers%3A+Rap+and+Race+in+the+Urban+Present/" rel="nofollow">Signifying Rappers</a>), and, when I saw his name, I thought it would have been terminally cool if he had also represented the Church. Jeff,
Per Lexis, in the text accompanying footnote 12, it’s actually Michael Costello, not Mark Costello. It doesn’t really matter at all, except that a Mark Costello, who appears to have been an attorney, cowrote a book about rap with David Foster Wallace (Signifying Rappers), and, when I saw his name, I thought it would have been terminally cool if he had also represented the Church.

]]> By: Clark http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111704 Clark Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:09:00 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111704 Jeff-- DO you have access to how many of these lawyers were later called to be General Authorities? Albert Bowen was a member of the Quorum of the 12, and Jay Jensen and Charles Dahlquist were in the presidnecy of the 70 and YM general president, respectively. Oscar McKonkie and Rex Lee were also prominent in the Church. I've heard a rumor that the two largest departments on the Church are Legal and Public Relations. If that's true, it says alot about the age we're living in. Jeff–
DO you have access to how many of these lawyers were later called to be General Authorities? Albert Bowen was a member of the Quorum of the 12, and Jay Jensen and Charles Dahlquist were in the presidnecy of the 70 and YM general president, respectively. Oscar McKonkie and Rex Lee were also prominent in the Church.

I’ve heard a rumor that the two largest departments on the Church are Legal and Public Relations. If that’s true, it says alot about the age we’re living in.

]]> By: Jack http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111662 Jack Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:45:38 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111662 I thought the church was full of guys who could tell me how to get rich without having a real job,, how to avoid paying taxes, and how to invest my money in real estate deals that would pay me 30 percent interest for the rest of my life. I thought the church was full of guys who could tell me how to get rich without having a real job,, how to avoid paying taxes, and how to invest my money in real estate deals that would pay me 30 percent interest for the rest of my life.

]]> By: South Bend Cougar http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111639 South Bend Cougar Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:16:30 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111639 Interesting post but you didn't provide any stats on the firms' "success rate" in representing the Church. I would be more concerned with that number than the gender/minority participation of attorneys working at the firms. Interesting post but you didn’t provide any stats on the firms’ “success rate” in representing the Church. I would be more concerned with that number than the gender/minority participation of attorneys working at the firms.

]]> By: Ray http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111601 Ray Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:46:02 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111601 Coffinberry, you overlooked Mary Ann Wood, and Kathryn O. Balmforth. Also, most (if not all) of the firms listed are by last name of partners only and surely include female lawyers. For example, I looked quickly at Gibson, Dunn and Crutcher (the first multiple-name firm) - and two of the first five lawyers shown on their site are women. Coffinberry, you overlooked Mary Ann Wood, and Kathryn O. Balmforth. Also, most (if not all) of the firms listed are by last name of partners only and surely include female lawyers. For example, I looked quickly at Gibson, Dunn and Crutcher (the first multiple-name firm) – and two of the first five lawyers shown on their site are women.

]]> By: Coffinberry http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111500 Coffinberry Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:16:33 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111500 Wait. Only one woman among the bunch (assuming this Karlynn Himman person is female)? Yowza. There's something wrong about that in a HUGE way. I've heard recently that BYU is under some pressure from the ABA to increase the percentage of female faculty, but there just is very little mentoring and support within church-related structures to develop female attorneys/faculty. This post suggests one reason why. It's a shame; my observation is that women bring a vital perspective to the practice of law. This practice of not fully utilizing resources seems doubly odd from my perspective because where I clerk, 75% of the judges on the bench are women. Wait. Only one woman among the bunch (assuming this Karlynn Himman person is female)? Yowza. There’s something wrong about that in a HUGE way. I’ve heard recently that BYU is under some pressure from the ABA to increase the percentage of female faculty, but there just is very little mentoring and support within church-related structures to develop female attorneys/faculty. This post suggests one reason why. It’s a shame; my observation is that women bring a vital perspective to the practice of law. This practice of not fully utilizing resources seems doubly odd from my perspective because where I clerk, 75% of the judges on the bench are women.

]]> By: Bridget Jack Meyers http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111445 Bridget Jack Meyers Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:24:36 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111445 <strong>Kevin</strong> ~ I'd bet money he is. Eliza Dushku definitely has active members of the church among her extended family. Kevin ~ I’d bet money he is. Eliza Dushku definitely has active members of the church among her extended family.

]]> By: Douglas Hunter http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111437 Douglas Hunter Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:30:44 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111437 All the folks who can't get into dental school at USC end up going to law school at BYU. All the folks who can’t get into dental school at USC end up going to law school at BYU.

]]> By: Kevin Barney http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111419 Kevin Barney Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:44:48 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111419 I wonder whether Alexander Dushku is related to Eliza Dushku. I wonder whether Alexander Dushku is related to Eliza Dushku.

]]> By: Jeff Spector http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111407 Jeff Spector Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:39:14 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111407 And I thought the Church was full of dentists! :) And I thought the Church was full of dentists! :)

]]> By: Jeff Breinholt http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111351 Jeff Breinholt Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:04:05 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111351 Fair enough. Fair enough.

]]> By: Stephen M (Ethesis) http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/24/the-churchs-litigators/#comment-111347 Stephen M (Ethesis) Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:38:49 +0000 http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8071#comment-111347 <b>He was the former judge-turned-special-prosecutor who tried to drive Bill Clinton out of office with tawdry tales involving the President’s dalliance with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.</b> He was the guy who tried to call it all off and go on to be dean of a law school and was pressured into sticking with the matter instead ... He was the former judge-turned-special-prosecutor who tried to drive Bill Clinton out of office with tawdry tales involving the President’s dalliance with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. He was the guy who tried to call it all off and go on to be dean of a law school and was pressured into sticking with the matter instead …

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