Comments on: A Bloggernacle Church Handbook of Instruction

By: Clark

Clark — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:30:34 +0000

I thought Andrew Ainsworth’s post here at MM comparing TBM and NOM to Adam and Eve one of the most enlightening essays I have read.

By: Rico

Rico — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:47:26 +0000

#1 – Stephen I loved this and have included it as part of my notes on the atonement.

#5 – I am part way through this and think it is a very interesting article and your right well worth reading.

#8 – AA’s posts are always excellent. This one is good for everyone not just Bishops. Interestingly, we had a sunday school based on this post and I was surprised at the way people already believed much of what Andrew was trying to comment on.

#9 – I was saying at as an expectation rather than a reality. I am not saying that TBM’s can’t be the standard that is not for me to decide, but what I sense is that Bishops can be more sensitive to the range of believing that people embody.

By: goosehead

goosehead — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:22:16 +0000

RE: Leaders should, I think, be able to understand the differences between a NOM and a TBM,

Doubt it. Most leaders want to see TBM’s as the only standard.

By: MrQandA

MrQandA — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:25:13 +0000

I think many issues are generated by idealistic expectations of imperfect people, I really liked Andrew Ainsworth’s post MYTHBUSTERS: The “One True Church”.

By: Rico

Rico — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:06:15 +0000

Thanks everyone so far. it will take me a little while to get through this but I will.

#2 – I do not have a link, but the essay is in his book Why the Church is as true as the Gospel. I am pretty sure he delivered it at sunstone as well, but I have not been able to access much since they begun revamping it.

#3 – Your right BM’s might be a good group to include. I guess I assumed that most BM’s would not be in contact with Bishop’s when they are a Bishop.

#4 – I think Eugene England should be compulsory reading for everyone in the Church but I am biased.

#6 – I am a member of stayLDS although I do not got there much. Moreover the list is good for people with questions about church history or doctrine but I think that not Bishop’s have the time to be this involved in these issues, but they should be aware of good stuff that is out there.

By: Euhemerus

Euhemerus — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:46:36 +0000

StayLDS.com has been collecting a repository in this vein for well over a year now. Check it out here.

By: BYU Agnostic

BYU Agnostic — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:20:34 +0000

I would include John Tarjan’s article from Dialogue, Heavenly Father or Chairman of the Board. It would be very helpful in my opinion.

http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/dialogue&CISOPTR=21057&REC=17

By: wayfarer

wayfarer — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:00:45 +0000

Having not been through tertiary education in Utah,I would never have discovered Eugene England without Mormonmatters.His blue sky thinking will shelter me through many of life’s storms,and I have shared it with others who have struggled through their lives without this richly inclusive and compassionate support for their faith.Thanks guys,look forward to learning so much more.Saving my testimony on a daily basis.

By: Ulysseus

Ulysseus — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:41:05 +0000

A couple of, ok four, thoughts —

First, much of the leadership will require an acronym dictionary as well because like CNLM (Clueless Noodleheads Like Me) they won’t know a TBM and an NOM from ROFLMAO.

Second, what about adding a handbook for bishops on how to deal with the publicans, tax men (non-tea party protestors) and sinners that abound on the Internets.

Third, I like to think of it as the post-Mormon three degrees of glory: TBM, NOM, and BM (Beyond Mormonism). You’ve only included the first two degrees in your handbook.

Fourth: How about adding a category for humor, because when you can laugh at yourself it is much easier to not take yourself and others so seriously. I’d suggest anything by Pat Bagley, including his recent Kama Sutra for the devout.

By: adamf

adamf — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:36:29 +0000

Sounds good… do you have a link to the England essay?

By: Stephen M (Ethesis)

Stephen M (Ethesis) — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:34:33 +0000

I’d like to toss in the essay about being healed by the atonement that is at http://zelophehadsdaughters.com/2009/09/25/bafflement-at-the-atonement/ — that is the sort of story that you need to be able to share with others to illustrate the process.