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		<title>By: Skippper23</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ibcorps... There is no god. No evidence. If you were born in islam, you would be muslim, and defend that religion just as strongly, would you not? God is an easy but not evident answer for what we can not explain, how can you take the new or old testament as historical facts? noah and the arc? come on... if you cherry pick the nice bits you are fooling your self, it must be taken in its entirety, i left being a mormon, and i am so happy, my life is more of an enjoyment than a test or waiting period for something that may or may not be there...

just please. look into it and question it.. if its true, you will be happy that you have strengthened your relgion, if you realise difference, it will be as if your eyes have finally be opened,.. i wish there was a god, how great would it be, but instead of me studying mormon as i was raised, i challenged everything, and came up with an un bias conclusion to what I beleive, not what had been told to me, 

without sounding disrespectful. kids do beleive in santa untill they are told different, your parents seem sincire and have no reason to lie, but when you explained why its wrong, you begin to realise how silly it seems whether its straight away or in the future, 

my parents, are full mormons, my step dad is bishop and my mum is happy with the religion.. so i do not cause to offend as i love them very much. 

just think.. HOW? in a logical sense, forget the world of God and base these things on fact we know about real life, do some research, and watch the episode of derren brown on COLD READING, this can be put on paper. 

he writes about 5 people individually and passes them there papers, they claim its 90% accurate or 100% to them and are amazed at how close it is to there personallity and past.. they all show eachother the papers.. THEY ARE IDENTICAL, yes, now the girl crying at how emotional she got, is now rather embarressed, this was NOT a magic trick. it was to prove how supseptible we are to these things and how easy we beleive it.. the things were worded in a cleverly way, and seemed to suit people as if they were totally different and as if derren had known them for YEARS.. which he did not.. how it works?he writes these things in such a way that the reader MAKES them about him without realising..

what if i said.. you have seemed to have had trouble in your life you thought it wouldnt get better, but something happend like youmet someone or saw something and it changed the way you looked at the situation..

the reader would fill in the blanks and think it meant (for example)

you have been through medical problems you thought would not heal, but a new medicine was tried and it worked and you looked at the situation with releif...

so as you sit there, as you read this staring blankly at the screen remembering that believing in this was not as easy as it was sooner or later you will feel this as it becomes stronger to disregarded as nonsense..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ibcorps&#8230; There is no god. No evidence. If you were born in islam, you would be muslim, and defend that religion just as strongly, would you not? God is an easy but not evident answer for what we can not explain, how can you take the new or old testament as historical facts? noah and the arc? come on&#8230; if you cherry pick the nice bits you are fooling your self, it must be taken in its entirety, i left being a mormon, and i am so happy, my life is more of an enjoyment than a test or waiting period for something that may or may not be there&#8230;</p>
<p>just please. look into it and question it.. if its true, you will be happy that you have strengthened your relgion, if you realise difference, it will be as if your eyes have finally be opened,.. i wish there was a god, how great would it be, but instead of me studying mormon as i was raised, i challenged everything, and came up with an un bias conclusion to what I beleive, not what had been told to me, </p>
<p>without sounding disrespectful. kids do beleive in santa untill they are told different, your parents seem sincire and have no reason to lie, but when you explained why its wrong, you begin to realise how silly it seems whether its straight away or in the future, </p>
<p>my parents, are full mormons, my step dad is bishop and my mum is happy with the religion.. so i do not cause to offend as i love them very much. </p>
<p>just think.. HOW? in a logical sense, forget the world of God and base these things on fact we know about real life, do some research, and watch the episode of derren brown on COLD READING, this can be put on paper. </p>
<p>he writes about 5 people individually and passes them there papers, they claim its 90% accurate or 100% to them and are amazed at how close it is to there personallity and past.. they all show eachother the papers.. THEY ARE IDENTICAL, yes, now the girl crying at how emotional she got, is now rather embarressed, this was NOT a magic trick. it was to prove how supseptible we are to these things and how easy we beleive it.. the things were worded in a cleverly way, and seemed to suit people as if they were totally different and as if derren had known them for YEARS.. which he did not.. how it works?he writes these things in such a way that the reader MAKES them about him without realising..</p>
<p>what if i said.. you have seemed to have had trouble in your life you thought it wouldnt get better, but something happend like youmet someone or saw something and it changed the way you looked at the situation..</p>
<p>the reader would fill in the blanks and think it meant (for example)</p>
<p>you have been through medical problems you thought would not heal, but a new medicine was tried and it worked and you looked at the situation with releif&#8230;</p>
<p>so as you sit there, as you read this staring blankly at the screen remembering that believing in this was not as easy as it was sooner or later you will feel this as it becomes stronger to disregarded as nonsense..</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 05:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, it works.

I received my Patriarchal Blessing when I was 18. It promised a successful mission where I would &quot;bring many souls to a knowledge of the ... restored gospel ...&quot;. When I would return from my mission, I would &quot;concentrate on preparing for a vocation of my choice&quot; that would &quot;provide for (myself) and (my) loved ones.&quot; When I &quot;advanced in (that vocation)&quot; I would be &quot;directed to one of a like mind and spirit who will be (my) eternal companion ...&quot; This union would bring &quot;beautiful spirits to this earth&quot; where my wife and I would provide well for them. I was also blessed that &quot;all of my righteous goals and desires ... would be achieved ... with joy and satisfaction.&quot;
 
The part about the mission came true. I went to South America and brought &quot;many souls to a knowledge of the ... restored gospel.&quot; That&#039;s where the fulfillment of the Blessing ends. 

I had a girlfriend at BYU and we were waiting for me to &quot;advance in my vocation&quot; to get married in accordance with my PB. But then, Church President Spencer W. Kimball told young LDS adults not to postpone marriage for either education or vocation. I was confused because that contradicted my PB. I wrote to my Patriarch -- the most spiritual man I&#039;ve ever known -- explaining the contradiction and asked his advice whether to get married now or wait like my PB said. He wrote back saying that only I could make that decision, but that I couldn&#039;t go wrong by following the prophet. I prayed fervently about what to do. The answer was clear and unmistakable: go to the Temple and marry my girlfriend soon!
 
I proposed to my girlfriend who enthusiastically accepted. We were sealed in the Los Angeles Temple a few months later in a ceremony that President Rose called &quot;one of the most spiritual sealings (he&#039;d) ever performed.&quot; I was 23, she was 20.
 
I&#039;m 51 years old now. My temple wedding 28 years ago was the last happy day that I&#039;ve spent on Earth. My honeymoon was a disaster and the words of my non-LDS father regarding us getting married as virgins rang in my ears: &quot;Son, you don&#039;t buy the pants before you try them on.&quot; Unfortunately, unlike pants, you can&#039;t just take a temple marriage back to the Church and exchange it for a better fit. I was stuck in a loveless marriage that she ended less than 7 years later when she took our 4-year-old son -- the only source of anything good in my life -- and moved out of state to live with her parents.
 
That was 21 years ago. Nothing in my PB has come to pass since I was directed to follow the prophet instead of adhere to my Blessing. I was never able to finish college and I&#039;ve scrapped by at odd jobs and depended on family members for assistance, never &quot;advancing in the vocation of my choice&quot; as I was promised though I&#039;ve tried to develop dozens and dozens of businesses. And I&#039;ve certainly never come close to getting married again and having a big family, which was my biggest &quot;righteous goal and desire&quot; that I was promised &quot;would be achieved ... with joy and satisfaction&quot;. 
 
I found a missionary companion recently on Facebook. We communicated for the first time since our mission. He said life for him was wonderful with a successful career, a loving wife and wonderful, healthy children. He asked me how my life as been since my return from South America. I told him &quot;Life as been absolutely horrible&quot;. After reading a synopsis of my horrible life he replied, &quot;Wow. You weren&#039;t kidding!&quot; And it all started going horribly when I obeyed the living prophet.
 
I&#039;m still loyal to the Church having never denied the restoration through Joseph Smith, though it is too difficult for me to attend any meetings. I can&#039;t sit there and hear about how everyone has been so blessed by a loving Heavenly Father for keeping the commandments and serving in the Church. I&#039;ve kept the commandments and served very well in the Church, yet all I have to show for it is a tiny apartment and a cat. It&#039;s been several years since I&#039;ve attended Church and no one misses me. I&#039;ve had more Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses visit me during my inactivity than members of my Ward. 

I don&#039;t know why my PB is a hoax. I&#039;ve always been a good Mormon and a good person. Drug dealers, prostitutes and downright horrible people have nice homes, nice cars and big families. Maybe they paid more tithing than I did. I don&#039;t buy that excuse that my PB will be fulfilled during the Millenium. It is very specific that the promised blessings would be fulfilled in the current mortality. There&#039;s only one explanation: God lied to me.

At least I know I can depend on my cat to do what she says. I can&#039;t say that for anyone else on either side of the veil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, it works.</p>
<p>I received my Patriarchal Blessing when I was 18. It promised a successful mission where I would &#8220;bring many souls to a knowledge of the &#8230; restored gospel &#8230;&#8221;. When I would return from my mission, I would &#8220;concentrate on preparing for a vocation of my choice&#8221; that would &#8220;provide for (myself) and (my) loved ones.&#8221; When I &#8220;advanced in (that vocation)&#8221; I would be &#8220;directed to one of a like mind and spirit who will be (my) eternal companion &#8230;&#8221; This union would bring &#8220;beautiful spirits to this earth&#8221; where my wife and I would provide well for them. I was also blessed that &#8220;all of my righteous goals and desires &#8230; would be achieved &#8230; with joy and satisfaction.&#8221;</p>
<p>The part about the mission came true. I went to South America and brought &#8220;many souls to a knowledge of the &#8230; restored gospel.&#8221; That&#8217;s where the fulfillment of the Blessing ends. </p>
<p>I had a girlfriend at BYU and we were waiting for me to &#8220;advance in my vocation&#8221; to get married in accordance with my PB. But then, Church President Spencer W. Kimball told young LDS adults not to postpone marriage for either education or vocation. I was confused because that contradicted my PB. I wrote to my Patriarch &#8212; the most spiritual man I&#8217;ve ever known &#8212; explaining the contradiction and asked his advice whether to get married now or wait like my PB said. He wrote back saying that only I could make that decision, but that I couldn&#8217;t go wrong by following the prophet. I prayed fervently about what to do. The answer was clear and unmistakable: go to the Temple and marry my girlfriend soon!</p>
<p>I proposed to my girlfriend who enthusiastically accepted. We were sealed in the Los Angeles Temple a few months later in a ceremony that President Rose called &#8220;one of the most spiritual sealings (he&#8217;d) ever performed.&#8221; I was 23, she was 20.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 51 years old now. My temple wedding 28 years ago was the last happy day that I&#8217;ve spent on Earth. My honeymoon was a disaster and the words of my non-LDS father regarding us getting married as virgins rang in my ears: &#8220;Son, you don&#8217;t buy the pants before you try them on.&#8221; Unfortunately, unlike pants, you can&#8217;t just take a temple marriage back to the Church and exchange it for a better fit. I was stuck in a loveless marriage that she ended less than 7 years later when she took our 4-year-old son &#8212; the only source of anything good in my life &#8212; and moved out of state to live with her parents.</p>
<p>That was 21 years ago. Nothing in my PB has come to pass since I was directed to follow the prophet instead of adhere to my Blessing. I was never able to finish college and I&#8217;ve scrapped by at odd jobs and depended on family members for assistance, never &#8220;advancing in the vocation of my choice&#8221; as I was promised though I&#8217;ve tried to develop dozens and dozens of businesses. And I&#8217;ve certainly never come close to getting married again and having a big family, which was my biggest &#8220;righteous goal and desire&#8221; that I was promised &#8220;would be achieved &#8230; with joy and satisfaction&#8221;. </p>
<p>I found a missionary companion recently on Facebook. We communicated for the first time since our mission. He said life for him was wonderful with a successful career, a loving wife and wonderful, healthy children. He asked me how my life as been since my return from South America. I told him &#8220;Life as been absolutely horrible&#8221;. After reading a synopsis of my horrible life he replied, &#8220;Wow. You weren&#8217;t kidding!&#8221; And it all started going horribly when I obeyed the living prophet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still loyal to the Church having never denied the restoration through Joseph Smith, though it is too difficult for me to attend any meetings. I can&#8217;t sit there and hear about how everyone has been so blessed by a loving Heavenly Father for keeping the commandments and serving in the Church. I&#8217;ve kept the commandments and served very well in the Church, yet all I have to show for it is a tiny apartment and a cat. It&#8217;s been several years since I&#8217;ve attended Church and no one misses me. I&#8217;ve had more Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses visit me during my inactivity than members of my Ward. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why my PB is a hoax. I&#8217;ve always been a good Mormon and a good person. Drug dealers, prostitutes and downright horrible people have nice homes, nice cars and big families. Maybe they paid more tithing than I did. I don&#8217;t buy that excuse that my PB will be fulfilled during the Millenium. It is very specific that the promised blessings would be fulfilled in the current mortality. There&#8217;s only one explanation: God lied to me.</p>
<p>At least I know I can depend on my cat to do what she says. I can&#8217;t say that for anyone else on either side of the veil.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It worked. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It worked.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Test to see if my account works.</description>
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		<title>By: erica</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/17/on-failed-patriarchal-blessings/#comment-157746</link>
		<dc:creator>erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> http://www.atheistunderworld.com/category/deconversion/

someone was told he could raise the dead . obviously, didnt come to pass .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> http://www.atheistunderworld.com/category/deconversion/</p>
<p>someone was told he could raise the dead . obviously, didnt come to pass .</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/17/on-failed-patriarchal-blessings/#comment-157190</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son-in-law; a righteous and beautiful young man was promised to live to a ripe old age and be on the earth when the Savior came. He died of cancer at 33 years of age; hardly a ripe old age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son-in-law; a righteous and beautiful young man was promised to live to a ripe old age and be on the earth when the Savior came. He died of cancer at 33 years of age; hardly a ripe old age.</p>
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		<title>By: Elder</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/17/on-failed-patriarchal-blessings/#comment-157144</link>
		<dc:creator>Elder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 07:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patriarchal blessings never fail to come to pass. As you stated above about how it will come in time, whether it be here on this earth or in the next, it will come to pass. If their faith is wavering because of this they didn&#039;t truly understand what a patriarchal blessing was. If it was for a mission or marriage etc, it can still come to pass in eternity. The Lord doesn&#039;t break promises. I would tell your friend to be patient, Heavenly Father doesn&#039;t work on our time. Stay true to the faith, and don&#039;t let your soul waiver in disbelief. Look back on the time you received the blessing and remember the spirit you felt manifesting it&#039;s truthfulness, comfort, love and guidance. You will come to understand in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriarchal blessings never fail to come to pass. As you stated above about how it will come in time, whether it be here on this earth or in the next, it will come to pass. If their faith is wavering because of this they didn&#8217;t truly understand what a patriarchal blessing was. If it was for a mission or marriage etc, it can still come to pass in eternity. The Lord doesn&#8217;t break promises. I would tell your friend to be patient, Heavenly Father doesn&#8217;t work on our time. Stay true to the faith, and don&#8217;t let your soul waiver in disbelief. Look back on the time you received the blessing and remember the spirit you felt manifesting it&#8217;s truthfulness, comfort, love and guidance. You will come to understand in time.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 03:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a great thread on this topic on Feminist Mormon Housewives. Very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a great thread on this topic on Feminist Mormon Housewives. Very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly don&#039;t mean any disrespect to those of you, like Jared, who find great meaning in their blessings. If something brings you comfort, strength, and purpose, it really doesn&#039;t matter what the source is, in my opinion - whether it be God, Himself, on one extreme, or a well-intentioned but over-zealous, even delusional old Stake Patriarch, on the other. 

I just feel that it&#039;s helpful to know the history a little bit to understand why we&#039;re even having this discussion right now. The fact is, the giving of PB&#039;s was, to a large degree, a commercial enterprise for over a hundred years. It would seem that the church back then did not see PBs as a critical stepping stone toward the more important saving ordinances. Today, there&#039;s an entire culture around it, as evidenced by 50 plus responses to your most interesting post, Rico. 

Perhaps we should keep all this in mind when we start to struggle to understand our PB&#039;s or lean to heavily on them. If you believe in the restored gospel and the scriptures, there&#039;s really nothing extra you need to know about why you&#039;re here, where you&#039;re headed, and why you&#039;re special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly don&#8217;t mean any disrespect to those of you, like Jared, who find great meaning in their blessings. If something brings you comfort, strength, and purpose, it really doesn&#8217;t matter what the source is, in my opinion &#8211; whether it be God, Himself, on one extreme, or a well-intentioned but over-zealous, even delusional old Stake Patriarch, on the other. </p>
<p>I just feel that it&#8217;s helpful to know the history a little bit to understand why we&#8217;re even having this discussion right now. The fact is, the giving of PB&#8217;s was, to a large degree, a commercial enterprise for over a hundred years. It would seem that the church back then did not see PBs as a critical stepping stone toward the more important saving ordinances. Today, there&#8217;s an entire culture around it, as evidenced by 50 plus responses to your most interesting post, Rico. </p>
<p>Perhaps we should keep all this in mind when we start to struggle to understand our PB&#8217;s or lean to heavily on them. If you believe in the restored gospel and the scriptures, there&#8217;s really nothing extra you need to know about why you&#8217;re here, where you&#8217;re headed, and why you&#8217;re special.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#51 - Thanks for this link.  I am aware with Quinn and some of his work but have not got round to reading these books yet.  although they are on my list.

This is really interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#51 &#8211; Thanks for this link.  I am aware with Quinn and some of his work but have not got round to reading these books yet.  although they are on my list.</p>
<p>This is really interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#47 Carlos... I agree, it&#039;s a problem. But then people find a million ways to intepret PB&#039;s to make them mean just about anything.

#46 Rico - 
Charging for Patriarchal Blessings....

D Michael Quinn wrote about it in The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power. As you may or may not know, he spent years in the LDS archives wading through endless amounts of source material. Here is a link to Signature Books&#039; website where you can find the excerpt below along with the all important references: 

http://signaturebooks.com/excerpts/hier2.htm

Excerpt:
In 1835 the Presiding Patriarch was authorized a salary of $10 a week, plus expenses.42 Both the Presiding Patriarch and local stake patriarchs charged a fee. In the 1840s the fee was $1 per patriarchal blessing at Nauvoo; by the end of the nineteenth century it had increased to $2 per blessing.43 Joseph Smith, Sr., gave patriarchal blessings without payment of a fee, but would not record them.44 &quot;Uncle&quot; John Smith commented that he &quot;lived very Poor ever Since we Left Kirtland Ohio&quot; in January 1838 until January 1844. Then his nephew Joseph Smith ordained him a patriarch &quot;through which office I Obtained a Comfortable Living.&quot;45


Financial incentive is another explanation for the fact that individual Mormons received more than one patriarchal blessing in the nineteenth century, often at the invitation of the patriarch. In October 1877 John Taylor criticized the monetary motivation of some stake patriarchs. He said they were using their patriarchal office as &quot;a mere means of obtaining a livelihood, and to obtain more business they had been traveling from door to door and underbidding each other in the price of blessings.&quot;46

Patriarchal blessing fees ended in 1902, although patriarchs were allowed to accept unsolicited donations.48 Not until 1943 did church authorities prohibit patriarchs from accepting gratuities for giving blessings.49</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#47 Carlos&#8230; I agree, it&#8217;s a problem. But then people find a million ways to intepret PB&#8217;s to make them mean just about anything.</p>
<p>#46 Rico &#8211;<br />
Charging for Patriarchal Blessings&#8230;.</p>
<p>D Michael Quinn wrote about it in The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power. As you may or may not know, he spent years in the LDS archives wading through endless amounts of source material. Here is a link to Signature Books&#8217; website where you can find the excerpt below along with the all important references: </p>
<p><a href="http://signaturebooks.com/excerpts/hier2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://signaturebooks.com/excerpts/hier2.htm</a></p>
<p>Excerpt:<br />
In 1835 the Presiding Patriarch was authorized a salary of $10 a week, plus expenses.42 Both the Presiding Patriarch and local stake patriarchs charged a fee. In the 1840s the fee was $1 per patriarchal blessing at Nauvoo; by the end of the nineteenth century it had increased to $2 per blessing.43 Joseph Smith, Sr., gave patriarchal blessings without payment of a fee, but would not record them.44 &#8220;Uncle&#8221; John Smith commented that he &#8220;lived very Poor ever Since we Left Kirtland Ohio&#8221; in January 1838 until January 1844. Then his nephew Joseph Smith ordained him a patriarch &#8220;through which office I Obtained a Comfortable Living.&#8221;45</p>
<p>Financial incentive is another explanation for the fact that individual Mormons received more than one patriarchal blessing in the nineteenth century, often at the invitation of the patriarch. In October 1877 John Taylor criticized the monetary motivation of some stake patriarchs. He said they were using their patriarchal office as &#8220;a mere means of obtaining a livelihood, and to obtain more business they had been traveling from door to door and underbidding each other in the price of blessings.&#8221;46</p>
<p>Patriarchal blessing fees ended in 1902, although patriarchs were allowed to accept unsolicited donations.48 Not until 1943 did church authorities prohibit patriarchs from accepting gratuities for giving blessings.49</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#46 - Thanks for your comment.  I was not aware that Father Smith used to charge for blessings.  Where did you pick up this interesting tidbit.  It certainly sheds new light on the role.  I would imagine that somewhere there has been article on the changing role of the Presiding Patriarch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#46 &#8211; Thanks for your comment.  I was not aware that Father Smith used to charge for blessings.  Where did you pick up this interesting tidbit.  It certainly sheds new light on the role.  I would imagine that somewhere there has been article on the changing role of the Presiding Patriarch.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s #10.  Thanks for the interesting perspectives.  I will say that we are currently against having children if I am not sure about it.  I&#039;d like to &quot;happily welcome&quot; children before getting pregnant, mostly because I was an unhappy accident and it is not a situation I would wish on any child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s #10.  Thanks for the interesting perspectives.  I will say that we are currently against having children if I am not sure about it.  I&#8217;d like to &#8220;happily welcome&#8221; children before getting pregnant, mostly because I was an unhappy accident and it is not a situation I would wish on any child.</p>
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		<title>By: CarlosJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarlosJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#46 ,

True but the problem are all those blessing from the 1800&#039;s saying that they will live to see the savior and so on. Also father Smiths blessings are still a problem.</description>
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<p>True but the problem are all those blessing from the 1800&#8242;s saying that they will live to see the savior and so on. Also father Smiths blessings are still a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#36 Hawkgrrrl - &quot;I think another one is that some members who get them think of them as a star chart or Nostradamus-like prediction, trying to prove their own personal specialness through them.&quot;

EXACTLY!!!! For many, it&#039;s primarily about feeling special, set apart and above, and being &quot;chosen.&quot; In fact, it has ALWAYS been about this from the beginning of the church. I know that many members receive PB&#039;s in all sincerity and with humility, but all things considered, I ask: What does a PB provide that prayer and scripture study don&#039;t? Are we not, according to Mormon doctrine, all entitled to and destined for the same blessings in the end? 

Look, the subject of patriarchal blessings has always been an enigma! I don&#039;t know if someone mentioned this already, but a PB is NOT a required ordinance. Receiving one is ABSOLUTELY OPTIONAL. It is completely unnecessary for eternal progression. Why, then, is there such a cultural emphasis on receiving one? I heard one church leader down play them, while I heard a sealer in the temple urge a sister to go back and get another one because her &quot;uninspired&quot; Patriarch had accounced her Israelite lineage as &quot;Joseph,&quot; instead of one of his children, Ephraim or Manasseh. The sealer told her that &quot;Joseph&quot; was insufficient, and that it was VERY important that she know which tribe she belongs to. Needless to say, I found the whole discussion quite confusing.

#2 James - I loved your post, and I want to elborate. 

I think it is so helpful to go back to Father Smith and the beginnings of PB&#039;s to understand how we&#039;ve come to this place. As anyone who has read the D&amp;C knows, there were many people singled out in revelations and given tremondous promises. The prophet was quick to prophecy and bless those around him, and it&#039;s not hard to guess that the atmosphere around him must have been electric, even intoxicating! Think about it - everyday convert farmers and merchants being called out by name, by Jehovah, himself, through the prophet Joseph Smith. Well, as could be imagined, people lined up so that they, too, could secure some special message and promise from God.

The fact of the matter is (my opinion only), Joseph was weary from the demand and delegated the task to his father, who kept records of all the blessings. The historical record shows that Joseph Sr charged a dollar a piece for each blessing, and many of the saints went back for additional blessings. I know that this is probably not welcomed news for those of you that didn&#039;t know this already, but check it out yourself. It seems to me that the Patriarch&#039;s office in the early church in Kirtland was a bit like Deseret Bookstores are today - a place where you can purchase some uplifting and inspiring content at your own discretion, but no one will tell you that you have to go there.  

It&#039;s true! As has been stated above, the farther back you go, the more sensational and detailed the PB promises are. PB&#039;s were colorful, daring, even reckless... and they came with a price, literally. The bestowal of PB&#039;s today, on the other hand, has become a completely institutionalized affair, with the Patriarchs using bland colors and broad strokes to paint pictures that can never be interpreted in any one specific way (see #34). 

I fully understand that PB&#039;s are a source of great strength and assurance to those who put great energy and faith into interpreting them. But as I see it (and I fully admit that I am a skeptic), the bestowal of PB&#039;s has historically been the equivalent of priesthood-sanctioned escatalogical fortune telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#36 Hawkgrrrl &#8211; &#8220;I think another one is that some members who get them think of them as a star chart or Nostradamus-like prediction, trying to prove their own personal specialness through them.&#8221;</p>
<p>EXACTLY!!!! For many, it&#8217;s primarily about feeling special, set apart and above, and being &#8220;chosen.&#8221; In fact, it has ALWAYS been about this from the beginning of the church. I know that many members receive PB&#8217;s in all sincerity and with humility, but all things considered, I ask: What does a PB provide that prayer and scripture study don&#8217;t? Are we not, according to Mormon doctrine, all entitled to and destined for the same blessings in the end? </p>
<p>Look, the subject of patriarchal blessings has always been an enigma! I don&#8217;t know if someone mentioned this already, but a PB is NOT a required ordinance. Receiving one is ABSOLUTELY OPTIONAL. It is completely unnecessary for eternal progression. Why, then, is there such a cultural emphasis on receiving one? I heard one church leader down play them, while I heard a sealer in the temple urge a sister to go back and get another one because her &#8220;uninspired&#8221; Patriarch had accounced her Israelite lineage as &#8220;Joseph,&#8221; instead of one of his children, Ephraim or Manasseh. The sealer told her that &#8220;Joseph&#8221; was insufficient, and that it was VERY important that she know which tribe she belongs to. Needless to say, I found the whole discussion quite confusing.</p>
<p>#2 James &#8211; I loved your post, and I want to elborate. </p>
<p>I think it is so helpful to go back to Father Smith and the beginnings of PB&#8217;s to understand how we&#8217;ve come to this place. As anyone who has read the D&amp;C knows, there were many people singled out in revelations and given tremondous promises. The prophet was quick to prophecy and bless those around him, and it&#8217;s not hard to guess that the atmosphere around him must have been electric, even intoxicating! Think about it &#8211; everyday convert farmers and merchants being called out by name, by Jehovah, himself, through the prophet Joseph Smith. Well, as could be imagined, people lined up so that they, too, could secure some special message and promise from God.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is (my opinion only), Joseph was weary from the demand and delegated the task to his father, who kept records of all the blessings. The historical record shows that Joseph Sr charged a dollar a piece for each blessing, and many of the saints went back for additional blessings. I know that this is probably not welcomed news for those of you that didn&#8217;t know this already, but check it out yourself. It seems to me that the Patriarch&#8217;s office in the early church in Kirtland was a bit like Deseret Bookstores are today &#8211; a place where you can purchase some uplifting and inspiring content at your own discretion, but no one will tell you that you have to go there.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true! As has been stated above, the farther back you go, the more sensational and detailed the PB promises are. PB&#8217;s were colorful, daring, even reckless&#8230; and they came with a price, literally. The bestowal of PB&#8217;s today, on the other hand, has become a completely institutionalized affair, with the Patriarchs using bland colors and broad strokes to paint pictures that can never be interpreted in any one specific way (see #34). </p>
<p>I fully understand that PB&#8217;s are a source of great strength and assurance to those who put great energy and faith into interpreting them. But as I see it (and I fully admit that I am a skeptic), the bestowal of PB&#8217;s has historically been the equivalent of priesthood-sanctioned escatalogical fortune telling.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#44 - I think I have very similar feelings to you on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#44 &#8211; I think I have very similar feelings to you on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: MrQandA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrQandA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find great comfort and strength from my patriarchal blessing, whilst much is generic and some portions are still unanswered the spiritual feelings that accompany it are so acute that I believe God is the author.

1st I think Patriarchs can make mistakes, some are obvious and the blessing can be preformed again, for those blessings that are incorrect but are too subtle to be noticed, I believe either God will fulfil the promise despite  the error, or would show greater comfort and guidance to those who seek his help.

example
#41 whilst your friend did not bear children, the feelings of fulfilment due to adoption or fostering would be amplified by God.  

IMO: most failed patriarchal blessings are due to weakness of the Patriarch, however I hold no ill feelings, they are mortal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find great comfort and strength from my patriarchal blessing, whilst much is generic and some portions are still unanswered the spiritual feelings that accompany it are so acute that I believe God is the author.</p>
<p>1st I think Patriarchs can make mistakes, some are obvious and the blessing can be preformed again, for those blessings that are incorrect but are too subtle to be noticed, I believe either God will fulfil the promise despite  the error, or would show greater comfort and guidance to those who seek his help.</p>
<p>example<br />
#41 whilst your friend did not bear children, the feelings of fulfilment due to adoption or fostering would be amplified by God.  </p>
<p>IMO: most failed patriarchal blessings are due to weakness of the Patriarch, however I hold no ill feelings, they are mortal.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/17/on-failed-patriarchal-blessings/#comment-126991</link>
		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41 - I am sometimes surprised that people do not struggle more with things like that.

#42 - Although I agre in principle, when promises are made specifically pertaining to this life, i think it is only fair that people wonder why certain things have not happened.  But thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41 &#8211; I am sometimes surprised that people do not struggle more with things like that.</p>
<p>#42 &#8211; Although I agre in principle, when promises are made specifically pertaining to this life, i think it is only fair that people wonder why certain things have not happened.  But thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Smith</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/17/on-failed-patriarchal-blessings/#comment-126936</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the key is the name, &quot;Patriarchal&quot; blessings. Sometimes the blessings are fulfilled for/by descendants.  My Grandfather&#039;s blessing stated he would preach the gospel on the isles of the sea. He never saw the ocean, let alone preach on the islands. About four years after his death, I accompanied my father to British Columbia&#039;s Queen Charlotte Islands. He was serving as a Bishop and was assigned to escort a group of Indian Placement children to Alberta. While there, we participated in a Cottage Meeting with the missionaries. That blessing was fulfilled. 

The Stake Patriarch;  Elder Boyd K Packer;  Ensign Nov 2002

&quot;Sometimes someone will worry because a promise made in a patriarchal blessing is not yet fulfilled. For instance, a blessing may indicate that a member will be married, and they do not find a companion. That does not mean that the blessing will go unfulfilled. It is well to know that things happen in the Lord’s due time, not always in ours.Things of an eternal nature have no boundaries. From the premortal existence to our existence beyond the veils of death, our life is an eternal life.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the key is the name, &#8220;Patriarchal&#8221; blessings. Sometimes the blessings are fulfilled for/by descendants.  My Grandfather&#8217;s blessing stated he would preach the gospel on the isles of the sea. He never saw the ocean, let alone preach on the islands. About four years after his death, I accompanied my father to British Columbia&#8217;s Queen Charlotte Islands. He was serving as a Bishop and was assigned to escort a group of Indian Placement children to Alberta. While there, we participated in a Cottage Meeting with the missionaries. That blessing was fulfilled. </p>
<p>The Stake Patriarch;  Elder Boyd K Packer;  Ensign Nov 2002</p>
<p>&#8220;Sometimes someone will worry because a promise made in a patriarchal blessing is not yet fulfilled. For instance, a blessing may indicate that a member will be married, and they do not find a companion. That does not mean that the blessing will go unfulfilled. It is well to know that things happen in the Lord’s due time, not always in ours.Things of an eternal nature have no boundaries. From the premortal existence to our existence beyond the veils of death, our life is an eternal life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I baptized a good friend who has Turner&#039;s Syndrome, which means that she has only a single X chromosome, and is therefore sterile. Her P Blessing told her that God was preparing a family for her that she would bear in mortality. Perhaps she tempted fate by marrying a paraplegic. She is currently in her 50&#039;s and childless, although I believe they take in foster children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I baptized a good friend who has Turner&#8217;s Syndrome, which means that she has only a single X chromosome, and is therefore sterile. Her P Blessing told her that God was preparing a family for her that she would bear in mortality. Perhaps she tempted fate by marrying a paraplegic. She is currently in her 50&#8242;s and childless, although I believe they take in foster children.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/17/on-failed-patriarchal-blessings/#comment-126779</link>
		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33 - I think such situations are very difficult.  I certainly do not have answers as to why this happens.  I believe that there is inspiration involved in such blessings but I do not think they are infallible.

#34 - Thank you for your insight.  I wonder what Richard Bushman&#039;s thoughts on this are.

#36-7 - Although I agree. I wonder whether the GA discourse that surrounds these blessings slightly exaggerated therefore.

#39 - i will ask around.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 &#8211; I think such situations are very difficult.  I certainly do not have answers as to why this happens.  I believe that there is inspiration involved in such blessings but I do not think they are infallible.</p>
<p>#34 &#8211; Thank you for your insight.  I wonder what Richard Bushman&#8217;s thoughts on this are.</p>
<p>#36-7 &#8211; Although I agree. I wonder whether the GA discourse that surrounds these blessings slightly exaggerated therefore.</p>
<p>#39 &#8211; i will ask around.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Blain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9 -- I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;ve known people who have received a second blessing.  Your friend should talk to her bishop about it for a variety of reasons, ranging from he needs to issue the recommend for a second blessing to he can help her try to sort out whatever the issue might be between what she&#039;s seeing and what her blessing says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9 &#8212; I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;ve known people who have received a second blessing.  Your friend should talk to her bishop about it for a variety of reasons, ranging from he needs to issue the recommend for a second blessing to he can help her try to sort out whatever the issue might be between what she&#8217;s seeing and what her blessing says.</p>
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		<title>By: Dallin</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/17/on-failed-patriarchal-blessings/#comment-126745</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the general concept that patriarchal blessings speak of foreordination rather than predestination-- those blessings may come if we are faithful, but they are not guaranteed unconditionally. 

It also seems to be that a person must be very careful in declaring a patriarchal blessing &quot;failed&quot;. Because God&#039;s ways are not our ways, because we do not have his perspective nor know exactly what may be referred to with each passage, we simply don&#039;t have the ability to authoritatively declared a blessing failed (unless we know we haven&#039;t been living the law upon which that blessing was predicated, in which case its failure is a direct result of our behavior).

I can&#039;t explain apparent inconsistencies that exist. But I do know that as I get older the meaning of my blessing changes. Even things I felt certain I understood have taken on new forms and been fulfilled in unexpected ways.

Our job is to have faith and live worthy of the blessings. Let God worry about keeping his promises-- He always does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the general concept that patriarchal blessings speak of foreordination rather than predestination&#8211; those blessings may come if we are faithful, but they are not guaranteed unconditionally. </p>
<p>It also seems to be that a person must be very careful in declaring a patriarchal blessing &#8220;failed&#8221;. Because God&#8217;s ways are not our ways, because we do not have his perspective nor know exactly what may be referred to with each passage, we simply don&#8217;t have the ability to authoritatively declared a blessing failed (unless we know we haven&#8217;t been living the law upon which that blessing was predicated, in which case its failure is a direct result of our behavior).</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t explain apparent inconsistencies that exist. But I do know that as I get older the meaning of my blessing changes. Even things I felt certain I understood have taken on new forms and been fulfilled in unexpected ways.</p>
<p>Our job is to have faith and live worthy of the blessings. Let God worry about keeping his promises&#8211; He always does.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverRain</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverRain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are Patriarchal Blessings, not Patriarchal Fortunes.

To &quot;bless&quot; carries connotations of &quot;asking&quot;, &quot;bestowing&quot; or &quot;endowing&quot; with power, &quot;protecting&quot;, &quot;praising&quot;, &quot;sanctioning&quot;, &quot;approving&quot;, &quot;benefiting&quot; and &quot;thanking&quot;.

To &quot;bless&quot; does not mean to foretell, to predict, to command or control.

I think this is an enlightening concept to grasp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are Patriarchal Blessings, not Patriarchal Fortunes.</p>
<p>To &#8220;bless&#8221; carries connotations of &#8220;asking&#8221;, &#8220;bestowing&#8221; or &#8220;endowing&#8221; with power, &#8220;protecting&#8221;, &#8220;praising&#8221;, &#8220;sanctioning&#8221;, &#8220;approving&#8221;, &#8220;benefiting&#8221; and &#8220;thanking&#8221;.</p>
<p>To &#8220;bless&#8221; does not mean to foretell, to predict, to command or control.</p>
<p>I think this is an enlightening concept to grasp.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawkgrrrl</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/17/on-failed-patriarchal-blessings/#comment-126721</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He felt his own blessing was simply a carbon copy blessing that his patriarch gave to everyone&quot;  I have seen blessings like this also.

Rico, I think you&#039;ve done a great job in coming up with the various explanations why PBs fail.  I think another one is that some members who get them think of them as a star chart or Nostradamus-like prediction, trying to prove their own personal specialness through them, or trying to use it to prove or disprove the church at various points of personal experience.  They are a &quot;blessing&quot; primarily.  As many commenters have said, patriarchs need to be cautious about their own temptations in the process, and so do the recipients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He felt his own blessing was simply a carbon copy blessing that his patriarch gave to everyone&#8221;  I have seen blessings like this also.</p>
<p>Rico, I think you&#8217;ve done a great job in coming up with the various explanations why PBs fail.  I think another one is that some members who get them think of them as a star chart or Nostradamus-like prediction, trying to prove their own personal specialness through them, or trying to use it to prove or disprove the church at various points of personal experience.  They are a &#8220;blessing&#8221; primarily.  As many commenters have said, patriarchs need to be cautious about their own temptations in the process, and so do the recipients.</p>
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