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		<title>God is a What?! Part Two</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/09/27/god-is-a-what-part-two-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you think of God, do you envision? a proper English gentleman a modernized Biblical patriarch an erudite English professor at a Ivy league university a tame Lion (returning to the C. S. Lewis reference)? Do you recreate God in your own idealized image? There is a constant assumption in much of what I read that God shares the sensibilities, values and perspectives of the person writing.  That to the extent that God does not, then God is wrong or those who see God that way are wrong. Now duality teaches us that it may well be that God is both the way we see him and the way that others see him &#8212; not that there is a superior view of God, but that God is possibly many different things at once. But at some times, as Jacob 2:8-9 reflects, God is things or messages or approaches that do not necessarily fit what we want and think we need right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think of God, do you envision?</p>
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<li>a proper English gentleman</li>
<li>a modernized Biblical patriarch</li>
<li>an erudite English professor at a Ivy league university</li>
<li>a tame Lion (returning to the C. S. Lewis reference)?</li>
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<p>Do you recreate God in your own idealized image?</p>
<p><span id="more-576"></span></p>
<p>There is a constant assumption in much of what I read that God shares the sensibilities, values and perspectives of the person writing.  That to the extent that God does not, then God is wrong or those who see God that way are wrong.</p>
<p>Now duality teaches us that it may well be that God is both the way we see him and the way that others see him &#8212; not that there is a superior view of God, but that God is possibly many different things at once.</p>
<p>But at some times, as Jacob 2:8-9 reflects, God is things or messages or approaches that do not necessarily fit what we want and think we need right now.</p>
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		<title>Am I my brother’s keeper?  Undocumented workers and illegal aliens</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/09/23/am-i-my-brother%e2%80%99s-keeper-undocumented-workers-and-illegal-aliens/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My general experience with illegal aliens is similar to the one called to mind by George Bush:  people who at great risk and significant hardship have sacrificed and done what they could to provide a better life for their children.  It is tempered by my wife’s experience providing anesthesia to family oriented young women who are proud to give their children “American” names and to become a part of life in the United States. I am aware that historically the risk and hardships were greater, the financial rewards of coming to America were much less.  Political and religious freedom were often the only reward.  The last one hundred years or so have created a dramatic change in the financial outlook offered by immigration while at the same time the cost of travel has dropped steadily. But what is my duty to those who come here?  To those who do not come?  Am I my brother’s keeper?  What does that mean? The questions have several completely different parts: Part of the question comes down to inheritance.  Should there be any right of inheritance?  What is my right to the things that have been given to me or that I have as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My general experience with illegal aliens is similar to  the one called to mind by George Bush:  people who at great risk and significant  hardship have sacrificed and done what they could to provide a better life for  their children.  It is tempered by my wife’s experience providing anesthesia to  family oriented young women who are proud to give their children “American”  names and to become a part of life in the United  States.</p>
<p>I am aware that historically the risk and hardships were  greater, the financial rewards of coming to America  were much less.  Political and religious freedom were often the only reward.   The last one hundred years or so have created a dramatic change in the financial  outlook offered by immigration while at the same time the cost of travel has  dropped steadily.</p>
<p>But what is my duty to those who come here?  To those  who do not come?  Am I my brother’s keeper?  What does that  mean?</p>
<p><span id="more-12774"></span></p>
<p>The questions have several completely different parts:</p>
<ul>
<li>Part of the question comes  down to inheritance.  Should there be any right of inheritance?  What is my  right to the things that have been given to me or that I have as the result of  my parents or others?  After all, everything I have as a citizen of a country is  really an inheritance, something I have as a gift, not because I earned it myself.</li>
<li>Part of the question is  whether nation-states have the right to exist, to define themselves and their  memberships.  Who has a right to their services and to entry?  Does the state  have any rights?  Do people have a right to a state? Does any state have a right to exist?</li>
<li>Part of the question is  what happens under various solutions, various answers, various approaches.  It  is the nature of the current outcome that creates the hideous problems that  drive the current criticisms of the present system, it is the anticipated issues  of various proposed solutions that such resistance.</li>
<li>Part of the question is whether or not I have any duty to my neighbor, to my brothers and sisters?  What is my moral duty?  How should that fit my legal duty?</li>
</ul>
<p>Some baby steps are obvious.  The military favors giving  people green cards who are willing to enlist and who qualify to serve in the  military.  Some “solutions” are acknowledged as so disastrous as be bluntly  rejected by just about everyone (e.g. completely closed borders, no immigration,  no tourists, no imports or exports).</p>
<p>As to completely open borders, the simulations show at  least two hundred million immigrants the first year.  90% of Haiti; 85% of the doctors in the  Philippines (where now we’ve  had almost 10% of them retrain as nurses in order to work in the  United  States as RNs); etc.  There is also an expected  complete collapse of any universal services such as free schools and Medicaid  unless access is restrained.  On the other hand, a stable population equilibrium  is estimated at six hundred to seven hundred million people (including current  residents), with peak expected not to break a billion with open borders before population falls off.  Most  see that as not much better than completely closed  borders.</p>
<p>But the current situation is pretty bad, including  kidnapping, brutality, death and hardship with incredible pressure on anyone  (outside of H1Bs) who attempts to comply with the law.  Bottom line:  terrible  hardship and abuse.  The side effects are toxic and harsh so that everyone is  crying out for relief.</p>
<p>Obviously it seems like something should be done, one  would hope, to make things better.  But what – that is the big question, what is  our duty and what is common sense even if we do not acknowledge anyone as our  brothers and sisters?  I don’t have a solution; I’m looking for those in the  comments. But if we are our brother’s keepers (and our sister’s too) the status  quo is not enough.  What is your solution, what do you  suggest?</p>
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		<title>What if somebody is watching me?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/09/19/what-if-somebody-is-watching-me/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firetag has brought up some things that are dual** &#8212; that is they are contradictory things at the same time.  The classic example is that light is both a particle and a wave.  Some times in the scriptures when we see things like that we have a &#8220;blind men and the elephant&#8221; situation, but sometimes we have things that appear to be dual because there is no elephant.* Sometimes the act of seeing, the presence of an observer and how the observer chooses to look actually changes recordable reality.  That is, depending on whether you look, and how you look changes reality.  This isn&#8217;t just perceived differences, but actual take a picture of the outcome and pass it around for others to look at the picture differences. The easiest example is light passing through one or more slits and exposing an image on photographic paper.  If you have one slit, then the light fans out in a wave and the paper is exposed completely (it all turns black from exposure).  If you have two slits, the light fans out in a wave and creates interference patterns (like waves will do) and you get bands on the paper.  If you slow [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firetag has brought up some things that are dual** &#8212; that is they are contradictory things at the same time.  The classic example is that light is both a particle and a wave.  Some times in the scriptures when we see things like that we have a &#8220;blind men and the elephant&#8221; situation, but sometimes we have things that appear to be dual because there is no elephant.*</p>
<p>Sometimes the act of seeing, the presence of an observer and how the observer chooses to look actually changes recordable reality.  That is, depending on whether you look, and how you look changes reality.  This isn&#8217;t just perceived differences, but actual take a picture of the outcome and pass it around for others to look at the picture differences.</p>
<p><span id="more-12765"></span>The easiest example is light passing through one or more slits and exposing an image on photographic paper.  If you have one slit, then the light fans out in a wave and the paper is exposed completely (it all turns black from exposure).  If you have two slits, the light fans out in a wave and creates interference patterns (like waves will do) and you get bands on the paper.  If you slow it down so the light only goes off one photon at a time, it builds up into the same result, which is kind of neat.  With two slits, even one photon at a time the light creates interference with itself when it isn&#8217;t really there yet.  [for a better explanation:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment</a>]</p>
<p>But, if you fire the photons off one at a time with two slits and watch the light go through the slits, it suddenly acts like there is only one slit (because it is actually only going through a single slit at any one time).  The photographic image it creates changes if you watch it go through the slits.  By observing what is happening you change the result, even though you aren&#8217;t interacting with the light other than with the force of your regard.</p>
<p>But what does that mean to my life if someone or somebody is watching me?  Does God change the shape and pattern of my life by being aware of it?  How much of reality can be affected by just how God chooses to see it or let others see it?</p>
<hr />
*i.e. sometimes it is a matter of seeing only different parts of a greater whole, so that the later &#8220;greater light and knowledge&#8221; explains it all.  But sometimes the greater whole <strong>is</strong> those contradictory things rather than something that just looks that way from a limited perspective. When that happens, &#8220;there is no elephant&#8221; &#8212; that is, there is no better perspective. On the other hand, the Book of Mormon explaining how Christ is both the Father and the Son is an example of greater perspective or greater light and knowledge rather than duality.</p>
<p>**I&#8217;ll note that this post makes for three on dualities, though the second of mine, thus being both the third and the second post on how things can be different things at the same time. Some differences, and some types of differences, are more meaningful than others. But the effect of an observer is one more way that things can be more than one thing at the same time and why it matters.</p>
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		<title>Renee Olson just died</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/09/16/renee-olson-just-died/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Her death was sudden and unexpected.  For more about her: http://www.blacklds.org/renee-olson-full-testimony Her Facebook memorial page here: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Renee-Olson-memorial/158092054201230 She will be missed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her death was sudden and unexpected.  For more about her:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blacklds.org/renee-olson-full-testimony">http://www.blacklds.org/renee-olson-full-testimony</a></p>
<p>Her Facebook  memorial page here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Renee-Olson-memorial/158092054201230">http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Renee-Olson-memorial/158092054201230</a></p>
<p>She will be missed.</p>
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		<title>Even beyond idle speculation &#8212; the worst things you&#8217;ve ever heard at Church?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/09/16/even-beyond-idle-speculation-the-worst-things-youve-ever-heard-at-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still remember a meeting where the speaker said &#8220;I was never part of your organization and knew nothing about it until I was called to be in charge of it, now I appreciate how important it is&#8221; followed up by a couple tone deaf comments about the organization.  She quite successfully got the point across that (a) serving in the organization was insignificant insofar as any leadership position in it mattered and (b) understanding the organization was not necessary either. The only worse thing that happened was when one of the women complained about it, an elders quorum president said &#8220;You can ignore her, she is a woman and doesn&#8217;t have the priesthood and so doesn&#8217;t have any authority at all.&#8221; What is the worst thing you&#8217;ve ever heard anyone say? Cross posted from http://ethesis.blogspot.com/ I was going to post about immigration and being your brother&#8217;s keeper, but that will wait until next week.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still remember a meeting where the speaker said &#8220;I was never part of  your organization and knew nothing about it until I was called to be in  charge of it, now I appreciate how important it is&#8221; followed up by a  couple tone deaf comments about the organization.  She quite  successfully got the point across that (a) serving in the organization  was insignificant insofar as any leadership position in it mattered and  (b) understanding the organization was not necessary either.</p>
<p>The only worse thing that happened was when one of the women complained  about it, an elders quorum president said &#8220;You can ignore her, she is a  woman and doesn&#8217;t have the priesthood and so doesn&#8217;t have any authority  at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is the worst thing you&#8217;ve ever heard anyone say?</p>
<p>Cross posted from http://ethesis.blogspot.com/</p>
<p>I was going to post about immigration and being your brother&#8217;s keeper, but that will wait until next week.</p>
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		<title>Duality, Doctrine and When Less is More</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/09/09/duality-doctrine-and-when-less-is-more/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[D&#38;C Section 77 and its companion section 113 have an interesting history.  An &#8220;older&#8221; high priest was publicly debating with local ministers about doctrine and was winning the debates.  Local church leaders felt he was espousing false doctrine and decided to excommunicate him.  At his trial he had a surprise advocate who spoke passionately in his defense, even though he was 100% wrong on the doctrine. The advocate who completely turned things around:  Joseph Smith (whose corrections became those two sections).  He gave what is one of my favorite sermons about how we have freedom to believe and how open the Church should be to all. What is interesting is that we have a trend in the Church to reduce the amount of teaching that is considered &#8220;doctrine.&#8221;  Officially, there is little change. But as a Church we are redefining what we believe at the core and what is speculation.  We have a significant shift away from the &#8220;fill every niche&#8221; approach and a huge shift towards the Book of Mormon as a testament of Christ. The move makes a great deal of sense in two completely different ways.  The first is a growing appreciation for a core teaching of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&amp;C Section 77 and its companion section 113 have an interesting history.  An &#8220;older&#8221; high priest was publicly debating with local ministers about doctrine and was winning the debates.  Local church leaders felt he was espousing false doctrine and decided to excommunicate him.  At his trial he had a surprise advocate who spoke passionately in his defense, even though he was 100% wrong on the doctrine.</p>
<p>The advocate who completely turned things around:  Joseph Smith (whose corrections became those two sections).  He gave what is one of my favorite sermons about how we have freedom to believe and how open the Church should be to all.</p>
<p><span id="more-12695"></span></p>
<p>What is interesting is that we have a trend in the Church to reduce the amount of teaching that is considered &#8220;doctrine.&#8221;  Officially, there is little change. But as a Church we are redefining what we believe at the core and what is speculation.  We have a significant shift away from the &#8220;fill every niche&#8221; approach and a huge shift towards the Book of Mormon as a testament of Christ.</p>
<p>The move makes a great deal of sense in two completely different ways.  The first is a growing appreciation for a core teaching of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith that our understanding is limited by our context:  our language, experience and knowledge shape what we can understand and how we understand. There is truth in describing some things as the unutterable things of the Spirit &#8212; there are things beyond the words we have.</p>
<p>It also works very well if we accept dualism; that is, that multiple conflicting descriptions can be true.  Not that it is a &#8220;blind men &amp; the elephant&#8221; situation, but rather that somethings are both waves and particles (rather than just particles made of waves). That is, the latest viewpoint is not necessarily the &#8220;full&#8221; or correct one, it is just another one.</p>
<p>If there is a significant amount of dualism, then a wide range of acceptable points are all part of the truth. In fact, dualism requires an openness to multiple, perhaps conflicting viewpoints in order to encompass all of the truth. It is not a matter of one view transcending earlier partial views.  It is, instead, a need to accept &#8220;both&#8221; or &#8220;many&#8221; views as true in order to have all of the truth.</p>
<p>Which means paring the core teachings so that they do not block dualism where it applies.  By paring things down we are actually expanding our access to truth and our ability to teach it by keeping ourselves from rejecting those areas where dualism applies.  In this case it means, very strongly, that less is actually more, and the only path we have to encompassing more.</p>
<p>I am curious where you see dualism applying in the Church today and in the doctrines we have reduced to no longer being exclusionary of other viewpoints.</p>
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		<title>Job, Healing and Elder Oaks</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/09/02/job-healing-and-elder-oaks/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elder Oaks General Conference talk on healing has ended up as one of the talks widely used for an alternate week priesthood and relief society lesson.  I almost got derailed into posting about the Book of Job and neo-Calvinism (the rich get that way because of the grace of God rewarding them for their merit, the unlucky, poor and distressed get that way because of their sins &#8212; that is the message of everyone in the Book of Job who God repudiates at the end &#8230;) but Elder Oaks talk was what I originally planned to write about. In some classes, it appears that they teachers gloss over the talk and then launch into asking people to tell about times they were healed.  Healed = faithful saints with the grace of God.  Not healed = vile faithless sinners.  Kind of like revisiting the neo-Calvinism of Job all over again. On the other hand, in the class I was in we talked about the talk, how Elder Oaks pointed out that the most important thing in a blessing was the will of God, the least important part whatever words we managed to say, and then got into a discussion of folk [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elder Oaks General Conference talk on healing has ended up as one of the talks widely used for an alternate week priesthood and relief society lesson.  I almost got derailed into posting about the Book of Job and neo-Calvinism (the rich get that way because of the grace of God rewarding them for their merit, the unlucky, poor and distressed get that way because of their sins &#8212; that is the message of everyone in the Book of Job who God repudiates at the end &#8230;) but Elder Oaks talk was what I originally planned to write about.</p>
<p><span id="more-12656"></span>In some classes, it appears that they teachers gloss over the talk and then launch into asking people to tell about times they were healed.  Healed = faithful saints with the grace of God.  Not healed = vile faithless sinners.  Kind of like revisiting the neo-Calvinism of Job all over again.</p>
<p>On the other hand, in the class I was in we talked about the talk, how Elder Oaks pointed out that the most important thing in a blessing was the will of God, the least important part whatever words we managed to say, and then got into a discussion of folk practices in the Church and the incident where Joseph Smith began the curing of the saints afflicted by cholera.  It was a dramatic event, made the more so by his return home to Emma, where she asked him merely &#8220;why could you heal all of those people, yet our children died?&#8221;  Joseph responded that he could only do the will of the Lord.</p>
<p>Sometimes it is not a lack of faith, sometimes it is not a failure to find the right person with the right gifts to give the blessing, sometimes it is not a failure to find the right words, and it is not a matter of inherent grace.  In all matters it is most importantly the will of God, with God&#8217;s love and purpose to seek our good, that is the significant factor.</p>
<p>Which I liked better than the way Job ends with a litany of examples of how God is powerful, Job is not, so repent and suck it up.  That did not comfort me much at all.</p>
<p>What do you think of the book of Job (especially now that it has been analyzed almost to death by the bloggernacle) and how did Elder Oak&#8217;s talk on healing strike you?  If it was taught in your stake, what about the lesson based on it went well for you, what did not and what do you think could be done to improve it?</p>
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		<title>Ok, time to speculate on gender essentialism</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/26/ok-time-to-speculate-on-gender-essentialism/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are lots of ways to start this off. I could start with the more than forty sexes of slime molds (why stop at 4 or 5 gender types when you can have 47 sexes). Or I could start with race and culture differences and variety and how they relate to sexual differences. Or how about the differences between the terms gender and sex as the words were used in 1770, 1970, 1990 and 2010. Should I dredge up fetish behaviors and the animal companion marriage movement? And just what does it mean to be human? How much difference is possible in this world or another for someone or something to be human? So, how do I speculate without offending too many people or getting too obscure for anyone to care? After all, if gender is an essential part of human nature, what is gender, what is essential, and what part of it is human? Attraction is very persistent, almost like a compulsive disorder. It is also very flexible. People find each other attractive through pregnancy and through aging. I look at people the age of my wife when we got married and I just see kids now. It can [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of ways to start this off.  I could start with the more than forty sexes of slime molds (why stop at 4 or 5 gender types when you can have 47 sexes).  Or I could start with race and culture differences and variety and how they relate to sexual differences.  Or how about the differences between the terms gender and sex as the words were used in 1770, 1970, 1990 and 2010.  Should I dredge up fetish behaviors and the animal companion marriage movement? And just what does it mean to be human?  How much difference is possible in this world or another for someone or something to be human?</p>
<p>So, how do I speculate without offending too many people or getting too obscure for anyone to care?  After all, if gender is an essential part of human nature, what is gender, what is essential, and what part of it is human?</p>
<p><span id="more-12566"></span>Attraction is very persistent, almost like a compulsive disorder.  It is also very flexible.  People find each other attractive through pregnancy and through aging.  I look at people the age of my wife when we got married and I just see kids now.  It can be very fickle.  I know a couple who divorced because one of them did not make a convincing blond.</p>
<p>Is attraction an essential part of ones nature?  How does sex fit into gender?  Would an intelligent slime mold be raised in the resurrection with its original sex intact or would it be moved into a binary gender assignment?</p>
<p>Are men and women different?  Are the all different the same away as a fundamental difference?</p>
<p>When do we discuss all of the sub-issues without insulting each other?  Which issues do you consider important?</p>
<p>I would suggest the issues might include:</p>
<p>·                     How many essential genders are there?</p>
<p>·                     Is gender limited to or controlled by what attracts you?</p>
<p>·                     What differences are there between genders?</p>
<p>·                     What of gender differences are based in culture, what is based in biology or a fallen world, what is essential?</p>
<p>·                     What is gender?</p>
<p>I don’t think we can really get to an intelligent discussion of gender essentialism until we begin to define or work out how many genders there are, what gender is, how much of it is spiritual vs. other factors and if it has any limit created by attraction?  Does sexual orientation or attraction have anything to do with gender?  Is it everything?  What about people who are asexual (without any sexual attraction or drive) or seeking asexual relationships (which, by the way, applies to most of the animal companion movement as well as a building movement with couples who are seeking asexual marriage companions) – is that a gender orientation?  Is gender relevant only as to humans?  If not, where would an intelligent (or not) slime mold fit?</p>
<p>Is anyone interested in a longer set of questions or addressing the issues one at a time?  Can a longer set of questions occur without it devolving into a marriage debate or insults?</p>
<hr />Consider:  from an LDS perspective, is gender something like charge on an electron or a proton?  What are the characteristics of a “legitimate” gender vs something else?  What affect should gender have on marriage; who holds the priesthood; other roles in society, family, etc.?  Is gender any different from race?</p>
<p>Have we really even addressed the necessary foundation to have this conversation within the LDS perspective?</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Viewpoints, Part Two</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/19/viewpoints-part-two/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A viewpoint can change things.  Consider Sir Thomas More, famous as a model of honesty, integrity and virtue.  A man for all seasons and a Catholic Saint. He is also the man truly responsible for William Tyndale’s being burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English in addition to those he was able to prosecute and burn directly for owning copies of the scriptures in English such as John Tewkesbury. We tend to reverence Tyndale since he coined most of the new words in the King James Version, and that version of the Bible is about 90% Tyndale’s work (the translators who did the King James, while they were instructed to translate from sources and to focus on literary quality, also took an interest in retaining Tyndale’s work to the extent possible).  We also tend to reverence More as heroic, someone who embodies the virtues we all wish we had.  At the same time, it is sobering to think how his virtues also were the same thing that led to what we would now see as a sin against God – the effort to keep the scriptures from the people. More is interesting, because once you’ve looked at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A  viewpoint can change things.    Consider  Sir Thomas More, famous as a  model of honesty, integrity and  virtue.  A   man for all seasons and a  Catholic Saint.</p>
<p>He is also the man truly responsible  for <a title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale">William Tyndale</a>’s     being burned at the stake for  translating the Bible into English in    addition to those he was able to prosecute  and burn directly for   owning  copies of the scriptures in English such as John  Tewkesbury.</p>
<p><span id="more-12303"></span>We    tend to reverence Tyndale since  he coined most of the new words in   the  King James Version, and that version of  the Bible is about 90%    Tyndale’s work (the translators who did the King James,  while they were    instructed to translate from sources and to focus on literary    quality,  also took an interest in retaining Tyndale’s work to the   extent   possible).  We also tend to reverence More as heroic, someone   who  embodies the  virtues we all wish we had.  At the same time, it is    sobering to think how his  virtues also were the same thing that led  to   what we would now see as a sin  against God – the effort to keep  the   scriptures from the  people.</p>
<p>More is interesting,    because once  you’ve looked at him both ways, you can look at Samuel again.     Samuel had sons who  were rapacious.  Imagine if   Thomas Monson had some sons that kept their mistresses   employed at the   Salt Lake Temple, felt free to loot the Bishop’s  Storehouse  regularly   and were employed as judges in Utah who freely  (and apparently    publicly) supplemented their income with bribes.</p>
<p>As I mentioned before, it  is   not surprising that against  such a backdrop the Children of  Israel   decided that they wanted a king rather  than continuing on with  the pot   luck of judges – nor is it surprising that when  they were  warned of   where a bad king might lead them they did not see it as so   bad.    Tellingly, Samuel’s response to this all, when he conferred with  God was    to see this as a repudiation not of God but of himself.   This is not   too far  different from the early members of the Church  who excluded   large swaths of  public figures from having temple work  done because   when their flaws were  reviewed (such as Sir Thomas  More’s flaws), those   doing the work just could not  see it as  appropriate to do it for  them.</p>
<p>Of  course we know what  God told  Samuel.  The  people had not rejected  Samuel, they had  rejected God.  We know  what  happened in later times,  we have the  vision at the St. George Temple   (usually recounted without  the  context, which is not an affirmation of  the truth  of the Church, it   is a rebuke against the judgments that  were being  made &#8212; that it was not our place to judge whether or not they had sinned against the light they had, but instead we should leave that to God).</p>
<p>Viewpoint   makes a difference.  I   read blogs, from time to time, that I  disagree  with because reading  them changes  my viewpoint (e.g. <a title="http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/" href="http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/">http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/</a>)  – at least some times.  How often does your viewpoint change from things you  learn and why does it change?</p>
<hr />Even better, we have a timely example of this in practice.  John Dehlin recently gave an interview.  He &#8220;was effusively positive about the ad campaign&#8221; and in the edited form, his comments ended up provoking this post:  <a href="http://www.bloggernacle.org/john-dehlin-the-new-go-to-critic-of-mormonism/">http://www.bloggernacle.org/john-dehlin-the-new-go-to-critic-of-mormonism/</a></p>
<p>Perspective can be vastly altered by editing, which is what historians do.  Have you been edited?</p>
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		<title>Presiding in marriage and otherwise</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/12/presiding-in-marriage-and-otherwise/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me start with a true story, I recently observed and that resulted in this post: It is obviously a vacation weekend. The only member of the bishopric in town is a very junior second counselor. He spots a member of the stake presidency sitting in the back with his family. With a sigh, the poor brother walks up to the stand. The counselor relaxes, opens the meeting with the note that the “poor brother” is presiding and goes on. In our worship services, presiding means sitting there and, by being present, enabling other people to take the lead, letting them take charge, letting them feel confident and supported. Presiding doesn’t meaning control in that situation, it does not mean unasked for guidance, it does not mean direction. It means providing support, it means enabling and it means caring. To the extent that presiding involves action, we have guidance in scripture. Patience, kindness, gentleness, love unfeigned. That is what presiding means, a call to serve with love and to lead by the persuasion of example, not dictat. It mans acting the same way as Christ and the Holy Ghost act in our lives. I might suggest that one of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me start with a true story, I recently observed and that resulted in this post:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is obviously a vacation weekend.  The only member of the bishopric in town is a very junior second counselor.  He spots a member of the stake presidency sitting in the back with his family.  With a sigh, the poor brother walks up to the stand. The counselor relaxes, opens the meeting with the note that the “poor brother” is presiding and goes on.</p>
<p>In our worship services, presiding means sitting there and, by being present, enabling other people to take the lead, letting them take charge, letting them feel confident and supported.  Presiding doesn’t meaning control in that situation, it does not mean unasked for guidance, it does not mean direction.  It means providing support, it means enabling and it means caring.</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-12456"></span>To the extent that presiding involves action, we have guidance in scripture.  Patience, kindness, gentleness, love unfeigned.  That is what presiding means, a call to serve with love and to lead by the persuasion of example, not dictat.  It mans acting the same way as Christ and the Holy Ghost act in our lives.</p>
<p>I might suggest that one of the most difficult things we can do, that we can learn, that we can share is to act like Christ. To preside, when called to it, or it is appropriate, in the same way Christ and the Holy Ghost act and preside in our lives, is part of the ultimate challenge.</p>
<p>Satan has an alternative plan, involving force, demands and insistence:  a plan of control rather than persuasion.  Which do you think you should chose?  Which do you see chosen by others?</p>
<p>Visit these two sites, devoted to what I see as God&#8217;s way:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://ldswave.org/">http://ldswave.org/</a> (the official W.A.V.E. site)</li>
<li><a href="http://adrr.com/wave/">http://adrr.com/wave/</a> (my suggestions toward the next iteration, obviously parallels many things they are doing since I&#8217;ve been listening to them and think they are neat).</li>
</ul>
<p>and then give me your answers, suggestions and comments about what you see as God&#8217;s way and how we can reach it.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Stephen M (Ethesis)</p>
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		<title>Viewpoints, part one</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/08/viewpoints-part-one/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is delightful, some times, to see how the LDS Church is seen from the outside.  For example, you might be surprised that one thing many Baptist scholars respect about the Church is the way the Church is open about the flaws in its leaders and history compared to other institutions. Further, it seems that the further in the past something is, the easier it is for people to be open. No one seems to blanch at the thought that Noah got drunk and passed out in public, that Peter after he began to lead the Church still bowed to social pressure at times (and was confronted about it by Paul) or that Moses had issues over his marriages and children.  Most Catholics have long resolved their issues with the inquisitions and the times there were two or three popes. The same way one looks at the current Church and its strengths and weaknesses, one can look at you can look at Samuel.  Samuel had sons who were rapacious.  They used the female attendants at the temple as a personal harem, they disrupted services to take portions of the sacrifices other than those allocated to them in proper time and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is delightful, some  times, to see  how the LDS  Church is seen from the  outside.  For  example, you might be surprised that one thing many Baptist  scholars  respect about the Church is the way the Church is open about the flaws   in its leaders and history compared to other institutions. Further, it  seems  that the further in the past something is, the easier it is for  people to be  open.</p>
<p>No one seems to blanch at the   thought that Noah got drunk and passed out in public, that Peter after  he began  to lead the Church still bowed to social pressure at times  (and was confronted  about it by Paul) or that Moses had issues over his  marriages and children.   Most Catholics have long resolved their  issues with the inquisitions and the  times there were two or three  popes.</p>
<p><span id="more-12301"></span>The same way one looks at the   current Church and its strengths and weaknesses, one can look at you can  look at  Samuel.  Samuel had sons who were rapacious.  They used the  female attendants at  the temple as a personal harem, they disrupted  services to take portions of the  sacrifices other than those allocated  to them in proper time and order and they  took bribes to corrupt  justice. Imagine if Thomas Monson had some sons that kept  their  mistresses employed at the Salt Lake Temple, felt free to loot the   Bishop’s Storehouse regularly and were employed as judges in Utah who  freely  (and apparently publicly) supplemented their income with   bribes.</p>
<p>It is not surprising that against  such a  backdrop the Children of Israel decided that they wanted a king rather   than continuing on with the pot luck of judges – nor is it surprising  that when  they were warned of where a bad king might lead them they did  not see it as so  bad.  Tellingly, Samuel’s response to this all, when  he conferred with God was  to see this as a repudiation not of God but  of himself.  Of course we know what  God told Samuel.  The people had  not rejected Samuel, they had rejected God.</p>
<p>I know that  most bloggers do not see  the LDS  Church as refreshingly open  compared  to other groups.  I would suggest that viewpoint makes a difference   (though I would acknowledge that just doing better than someone else is  not  necessarily a sign of doing good enough) in this and other  things.</p>
<p>Where do you think a neutral  viewpoint might be different from the common view often found in the  bloggernacle?</p>
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		<title>Commenting Styles, Posting Styles (and you expected a Sunstone Post, didn&#8217;t you?)</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/05/commenting-styles-posting-styles-and-you-expected-a-sunstone-post-didnt-you/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, I actually have my entire presentation written down, and I could have posted it, so you could read it at Mormon Matters if you aren&#8217;t listening to me talk.  But where would the fun be in that? Instead, it is my turn to do a meta post about the bloggernacle. In some communities comments on posts are a tit for tat thing.  You post a comment on my topic, I visit you and post a comment on yours.  Anyone who doesn&#8217;t reciprocate eventually ends up being frozen out of the community. In some communities, all responses are pretty much within the thread.  You comment on my post, I post a response.  If I don&#8217;t, people cease to comment on my posts. In other communities, everyone who is a part of the community posts on each other&#8217;s posts.  E.g. if we did that at Mormon Matters, every post would have a comment by every permablogger.  Some times the community handles the response portion.  You post on my group blog post, someone from my community will will post a response. If you&#8217;ve ever seen the acronym &#8220;RAEBNC&#8221; (read and enjoyed but no comment) you&#8217;ve seen the etiquette in action when people [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I actually have my entire presentation written down, and I could have posted it, so you could read it at Mormon Matters if you aren&#8217;t listening to me talk.  But where would the fun be in that?</p>
<p>Instead, it is my turn to do a meta post about the bloggernacle.</p>
<p><span id="more-12381"></span></p>
<p>In some communities comments on posts are a tit for tat thing.  You post a comment on my topic, I visit you and post a comment on yours.  Anyone who doesn&#8217;t reciprocate eventually ends up being frozen out of the community.</p>
<p>In some communities, all responses are pretty much within the thread.  You comment on my post, I post a response.  If I don&#8217;t, people cease to comment on my posts.</p>
<p>In other communities, everyone who is a part of the community posts on each other&#8217;s posts.  E.g. if we did that at Mormon Matters, every post would have a comment by every permablogger.  Some times the community handles the response portion.  You post on my group blog post, someone from my community will will post a response.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve ever seen the acronym &#8220;RAEBNC&#8221; (read and enjoyed but no comment) you&#8217;ve seen the etiquette in action when people had no idea of what to say, but felt a duty to make sure they had posted something.  I do something similar to that with authors I really enjoy reading but don&#8217;t have much to add &#8212; just to try to encourage them (or why my comments to Bored in Vernal&#8217;s posts may seem so shallow).</p>
<p>Then we have the bloggernacle. It has none of the standard posting or commenting patterns.  In fact, to the extent I can define a blog as a part of the bloggernacle or likely to be rejected (such as the complaints about Mormon Mommy Blogs being included in the Niblets), if it has a traditional form of responsive posting, it is probably a blog that the consensus would reject.</p>
<p>I find that fascinating.  I wonder if it is a part of LDS or Utah culture, the nature of the academics and quasi-academics who populate some of the founding blogs (academics tend to not reciprocate:  normal human beings are not &#8220;real people&#8221; in their world, so there are no real social duties owed to them any more than the social duties owed to lab mice or first year students), or something else?  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Higher Criticism, my viewpoint and the Church</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/07/29/higher-criticism-my-viewpoint-and-the-church/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I first learned about higher criticism in the context of the archeological excavation of Jericho.  The German higher criticism read was that Jericho never existed and that part of the Bible was a bad gloss.  Perhaps if I had gotten the introduction the other way around, I might have had more interest in something that has such a vainglorious name (“higher criticism” – really?). It did not get much better with my second introduction, when I was doing some research into Ba’l, since the Bible Dictionary reference we inherited for free from the Church of England publishers dates back to the 1800s and is a little wrong. Ba’l rides on the clouds, he has two hammers, thunder and lightening, he is banished by the summer drought, the pretender to his throne is the god of irrigation and he returns with the winter storms.  Regardless of what some Egyptologist thought in the 1800s, he is a storm god, not a sun god, which is why his priests took Elijah’s challenge to call fire from heaven down on a mountain top (lightening tends to hit mountain tops all the time).  There is a body of hymns to Ba’l that the higher criticism [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first learned about higher  criticism in the context of the archeological excavation of Jericho.  The German  higher criticism read was that Jericho never existed and that part of the  Bible was a bad gloss.  Perhaps if I had gotten the introduction the other way  around, I might have had more interest in something that has such a vainglorious  name (“higher criticism” – really?).</p>
<p>It did not get much better with my  second introduction, when I was doing some research into Ba’l, since the Bible  Dictionary reference we inherited for free from the Church of England publishers  dates back to the 1800s and is a little wrong.</p>
<p><span id="more-12299"></span>Ba’l rides on the clouds, he has two  hammers, thunder and lightening, he is banished by the summer drought, the  pretender to his throne is the god of irrigation and he returns with the winter  storms.  Regardless of what some Egyptologist thought in the 1800s, he is a  storm god, not a sun god, which is why his priests took Elijah’s challenge to  call fire from heaven down on a mountain top (lightening tends to hit mountain  tops all the time).  There is a body of hymns to Ba’l that the higher criticism  bunch claimed proved that the ancient Hebrews just stole all of the psalms and other  literature from.</p>
<p>Except, if you read the actual  parallels, the writing plays off the Philistine literature to highlight the  differences, it doesn’t copy.  It actually gains meaning if you think of it in  context.  Thus the emphasis on how God fails not (whereas Ba’l fails on a  seasonal basis, every year), etc.  Again, my exposure to higher criticism came  in the context of another place it was completely wrong.</p>
<p>As for the documentary hypothesis, I actually really started looking at the  documentary hypothesis in the context of poetic structures it misses (though I  do see how it fits in with LDS theology and provides some useful  analysis).</p>
<p>My view of Joseph Smith has similar  inputs.  When I was in the Hill Cumorah Pageant, we had a number of lessons we  taught about Joseph Smith’s human, fallible side.  They were drawn from public  addresses he gave about himself and his faults.  I had not heard the story of  Sydney Rigdon daughter until the last month, when I read about it here, but, of  course, we have a guest poster (my wife’s cousin) who will probably be  addressing it and other related topics shortly.  Viz.</p>
<p>“<a href="http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-mormon-history-is-not-what-they-say.html">Joseph Smith made affidavit  denying authorship of the letter, and Nancy Rigdon herself affirmed it had not  come from Smith, “nor in his hand writing, but by another person, and in another  person&#8217;s hand writing.”  Nancy’s father didn’t believe the letter was  from Joseph either.  Neither copy of the notorious letter has been found to this  day.  All we know of it is from what Bennett published. </a>“ Of course this time the higher critics could be right.</p>
<p>I have to admit that at present there are many things I  do not know about history, facts and reality.  What I do know is the witness of  the Spirit and the complexity of what seems “obvious” and “undeniable” and  “certain” extends from whether Jericho ever existed to whether Ba’l was a sun  god whose literature was shamelessly copied by ancient Hebrews to criticisms of  Joseph Smith and others.</p>
<p>Sometimes “higher criticism” really  isn’t that high.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Find heroes</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/07/22/find-heroes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I worked for a time on a project involving heroquests and myth structures.  I analyzed historic, legendary and fictional stories and texts, rituals, narratives and constructs.  I was once asked if I ever knew anyone who was truly heroic. Though I did not know it, I did.  My dad. My father was guileless, with heart breaking good looks that I envied. He had the charm I always wished for.  As a result of a college football injury he faced huge physical barriers.  I once sat as they shot the same set of x-rays on his back three times because the doctor could not believe he was getting the right x-rays for the patient in front of him.  As he said &#8220;You idiot, how could you get the wrong x-rays twice?  Can you see this man?  He is walking.  He is smiling.  The man who those x-rays goes with can&#8217;t walk and surely isn&#8217;t smiling.&#8221; After he walked the third set through himself he realized that the guy the x-rays went with really was my dad. My dad was in the U.S. Air Force, but had cross trained as a forward fire observer and spoke Korean. I still have the marble [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for a time on a project involving heroquests and myth structures.  I analyzed historic, legendary and fictional stories and texts, rituals, narratives and constructs.  I was once asked if I ever knew anyone who was truly heroic.</p>
<p>Though I did not know it, I did.  My dad.</p>
<p><span id="more-12172"></span>My father was guileless, with heart breaking good looks that I envied. He had the charm I always wished for.  As a result of a college football injury he faced huge physical barriers.  I once sat as they shot the same set of x-rays on his back three times because the doctor could not believe he was getting the right x-rays for the patient in front of him.  As he said &#8220;You idiot, how could you get the wrong x-rays twice?  Can you see this man?  He is walking.  He is smiling.  The man who those x-rays goes with can&#8217;t walk and surely isn&#8217;t smiling.&#8221; After he walked the third set through himself he realized that the guy the x-rays went with really was my dad.</p>
<p>My dad was in the U.S. Air Force, but had cross trained as a forward fire observer and spoke Korean. I still have the marble lion the ROK Dragon Battalion chaplain gave him.  I won&#8217;t go into details, but I over time I learned a good deal about things my dad had done.  I&#8217;ll never see hard combat of the sort that generates nightmares.  I will never tie an Olympic record.  But what struck me in talking with him in the time before he died of Parkinson&#8217;s was that what he valued most about his life was the four missions he served and that he loved his wife and children.</p>
<p>He did not want his grandchildren to be told about or remember him for the things he had done that would strike anyone as heroic, whether in combat or in disaster relief efforts. He did not care about the sports experiences he had. What he wanted from us was to serve others and to love our families.</p>
<p>To him, that was more important, more heroic and more worth remembering or modeling, than anything else he did.  I&#8217;ve taken that to heart. I can love my wife and care for her. I can love my children and cherish them. I&#8217;ve served one mission and when I retire I can serve more. In the most important things my father left me, I can be like him.  After years of thought, I can find a hero and even be one.</p>
<p>What do you look for in a hero?  What would you like to be remembered for?  What have you decided you want to be?</p>
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		<title>Deconstructing Solomon</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/07/15/deconstructing-solomon/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We tend to remember Solomon as either magically wise or the one who fell from grace with too many wives.  Of his acts of wisdom, most remember only the &#8220;split the baby&#8221; story.  Of the wives issue, all people remember is &#8220;hundreds.&#8221; But we rarely think about what the text has to say. Solomon begins his acts of wisdom, as laid out in the text, with the ruthlessness which which he began his reign (which led to internal peace), his early marriages (which reflected political advantage, stability and strength), and his insight in judgment. The text story, consistent with the Joseph Smith version, is that Solomon  failed as David did.  That is, he failed when his lusts overcame his wisdom. David betrayed his inner circle in his lust for Bathsheba, wife of Uriah, daughter of Eliam and Grand daughter of Ahithopel (note 2 Samuel 23: 34, 39). That led not only to the obvious, but to Absolom&#8217;s rebellion (2 Samuel 15:31).  With Solomon, giving way to lust led to the worship of Astarte (with the cycle of temple prostitutes, sodomites/children, etc.), which is where he offended God. It is easy to draw the wrong conclusions from the story.  You can [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We tend to remember Solomon as either magically wise or the one who fell from grace with too many wives.  Of his acts of wisdom, most remember only the &#8220;split the baby&#8221; story.  Of the wives issue, all people remember is &#8220;hundreds.&#8221;</p>
<p>But we rarely think about what the text has to say.</p>
<p><span id="more-12065"></span></p>
<p>Solomon begins his acts of wisdom, as laid out in the text, with the ruthlessness which which he began his reign (which led to internal peace), his early marriages (which reflected political advantage, stability and strength), and his insight in judgment.</p>
<p>The text story, consistent with the Joseph Smith version, is that Solomon  failed as David did.  That is, he failed when his lusts overcame his wisdom. David betrayed his inner circle in his lust for Bathsheba, wife of Uriah, daughter of Eliam and Grand daughter of Ahithopel (note 2 Samuel 23: 34, 39).</p>
<p>That led not only to the obvious, but to Absolom&#8217;s rebellion (2 Samuel 15:31).  With Solomon, giving way to lust led to the worship of Astarte (with the cycle of temple prostitutes, sodomites/children, etc.), which is where he offended God.</p>
<p>It is easy to draw the wrong conclusions from the story.  You can take it as a tract against polygamy.  You can see it all as a warning against marrying a non-member.  You can see it as the fall-out from accommodation and kindness.  I&#8217;ve seen all of those conclusions.</p>
<p>They all miss the point as does simplifying it down to Solomon worshiped false gods, which false gods do we worship in our lives &#8212; that just confounds the why of what he did.</p>
<p>Solomon&#8217;s sin, his failure, is that his heart turned towards lust.  In his case, that led to Astarte.  In ours it might lead to affairs, pornography or similar addictions.  Once he had turned to lust, he turned away from God.  That was the sin he left as the end cap to his story, and the lesson we can learn from it.</p>
<p>What do you take from the story of Solomon?</p>
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		<title>Lessons from Old Testament Harshness</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/07/11/lessons-from-old-testament-harshness/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deuteronomy 6:10-12 seems incredibly harsh.  As the Lord&#8217;s people enter into Canaan, they are given cities that they haven&#8217;t built, produce they haven&#8217;t grown, and all manner of things they don&#8217;t deserve, while the inhabitants of the land are wiped out.  It is as if the only and true path to prosperity is to plunder those who have worked, built and sweated to create.  Indeed, scriptures of that sort have been used to justify that very type of activity.  In context with the next 27 chapters or so, it is an extended metaphor that no matter how we think we have earned prosperity or results, we have not, we are dependent on circumstances. Some times it seems obvious.  A performer born now has much more they can receive than those born a thousand years ago before radio and royalties were invented.  Most of this world does not do as well as we do, and it has little to do with how hard we work or how smart we are.  Some times it is easy to lose sight of, some times it terrifies.  I had a young man whose care was important to me, who came to the realization that the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Promised-land.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-12039" style="margin-left: 30px; margin-right: 30px;" title="Promised land" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Promised-land.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="227" /></a><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/deut/6/10-12#10">Deuteronomy 6:10-12</a> seems incredibly harsh.  As the Lord&#8217;s people enter into Canaan, they are given cities that they haven&#8217;t built, produce they haven&#8217;t grown, and all manner of things they don&#8217;t deserve, while the inhabitants of the land are wiped out.  It is as if the only and true path to prosperity is to plunder those who have worked, built and sweated to create.  Indeed, scriptures of that sort have been used to justify that very type of activity.  In context with the next 27 chapters or so, it is an extended metaphor that no matter how we think we have earned prosperity or results, we have not, we are dependent on circumstances.</p>
<p><span id="more-11655"></span>Some times it seems obvious.  A performer born now has much more they can receive than those born a thousand years ago before radio and royalties were invented.  Most of this world does not do as well as we do, and it has little to do with how hard we work or how smart we are.  Some times it is easy to lose sight of, some times it terrifies.  I had a young man whose care was important to me, who came to the realization that the Hispanic families he was involved in charitable service to were filled with people harder working and smarter than he was, with better physical capacity.  He became terrified as a result.  On the other hand, I remember reading an oil and cattle heiress in the newspaper who was certain that if money was equalized tomorrow, she would naturally become rich again, in spite of never having done any work or exhibited any skill other than being able to create vanity artworks.</p>
<p>It is the power of circumstance and grace that Deuteronomy 6:11 is all about &#8212; reminding us that the foundation of our prosperity is not something we created or earned, but is a gift, one that can be preserved or lost, but not one that we have earned.</p>
<p>It is a compelling reminder of how important humility and gratitude are in understanding our place in the world and the importance of grace in our lives, a metaphor for the spiritual in the physical.</p>
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		<title>Saw me in prison and came unto me &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/07/08/saw-me-in-prison-and-came-unto-me/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 21:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Dallas District Attorney&#8217;s office preserved DNA evidence.  When advances in science occurred, they were able to retest many samples in cases where people claimed innocence.  As a result, some men were freed.  Other counties destroyed the same material.  Those men are still in prison. The innocent who are still in jail we can sorrow for.  But what about the guilty?  Should we care about them?  Really? Obviously. After all, Christ did not tell us we needed to forgive only the innocent.  Seriously, the innocent are the ones we want to forgive us.  It is the others we need to visit. I was remembering my Dad.  His last calling before his Parkinson&#8217;s got bad was as a prison chaplain for LDS prisoners, most serving life sentences.  One week a month he was a sealer at the Los Angeles Temple, three weeks a month he served as a chaplain at his own expense (like any other church calling). The striking thing about the service was how much he felt the men receiving it needed it and how easy it was for others to feel that what he was doing was unnecessary because the  men were guilty. Yet, as we say &#8220;we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dallas District Attorney&#8217;s office preserved DNA evidence.  When advances in science occurred, they were able to retest many samples in cases where people claimed innocence.  As a result, some men were freed.  Other counties destroyed the same material.  Those men are still in prison.</p>
<p>The innocent who are still in jail we can sorrow for.  But what about the guilty?  Should we care about them?  Really?</p>
<p><span id="more-11957"></span></p>
<p>Obviously.</p>
<p>After all, Christ did not tell us we needed to forgive only the innocent.  Seriously, the innocent are the ones we want to forgive us.  It is the others we need to visit.</p>
<p>I was remembering my Dad.  His last calling before his Parkinson&#8217;s got bad was as a prison chaplain for LDS prisoners, most serving life sentences.  One week a month he was a sealer at the Los Angeles Temple, three weeks a month he served as a chaplain at his own expense (like any other church calling).</p>
<p>The striking thing about the service was how much he felt the men receiving it needed it and how easy it was for others to feel that what he was doing was unnecessary because the  men were guilty.</p>
<p>Yet, as we say &#8220;we are all beggars&#8221; we might well say &#8220;we are all guilty.&#8221;</p>
<p>For more, <a href="http://bible.cc/matthew/25-44.htm">http://bible.cc/matthew/25-44.htm</a></p>
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		<title>&#8220;As a new religion it is too bad you don&#8217;t have a theory of  &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/07/01/as-a-new-religion-it-is-too-bad-you-dont-have-a-theory-of/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 22:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[.. war&#8221; a friend of mine said. &#8221; Once your theology develops, it should be interesting to see what kind of nuanced debates you have.&#8221; &#8220;Well,&#8221; I said, &#8220;we actually do have some doctrine and theology on the subject.&#8221; &#8220;Then why haven&#8217;t I seen more discussion of it?  Or is it pretty simple, direct and pro-war or pro-pacifism. Is there a reason that there haven&#8217;t been  many Mormons in the public eye?  What does the doctrine say?&#8221; Ah yes, what does the LDS doctrine, practice and scripture say or imply? General Mormon seems pretty clear.  He resigned rather than lead a war that had any element of preemptive strike or retribution in it &#8212; anything that went beyond reclaiming up to the current borders.  The Anti-Nephi-Lehi seem to justify radical pacifism, though the story does not require it, given what their children did. The Doctrine and Covenants provides a nice gloss to both stories.  If you are not guilty of the first or second offense you have different rights than those who do, but it seems to strongly condemn offensive wars. All of it is tied together with a doctrine that encourages obedience to governments and lays the blame or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><span style="color: #000080">.. war</span></strong>&#8221; a friend of mine said. &#8221; Once your theology develops, it should be interesting to see what kind of nuanced debates you have.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well,&#8221; I said, &#8220;we actually do have some doctrine and theology on the subject.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong><span style="color: #000080">Then why haven&#8217;t I seen more discussion of it?  Or is it pretty simple, direct and pro-war or pro-pacifism. Is there a reason that there haven&#8217;t been  many Mormons in the public eye?  What does the doctrine say?</span></strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah yes, what does the LDS doctrine, practice and scripture say or imply?</p>
<p><span id="more-11871"></span>General Mormon seems pretty clear.  He resigned rather than lead a war that had any element of preemptive strike or retribution in it &#8212; anything that went beyond reclaiming up to the current borders.  The Anti-Nephi-Lehi seem to justify radical pacifism, though the story does not require it, given what their children did.</p>
<p>The Doctrine and Covenants provides a nice gloss to both stories.  If you are not guilty of the first or second offense you have different rights than those who do, but it seems to strongly condemn offensive wars.</p>
<p>All of it is tied together with a doctrine that encourages obedience to governments and lays the blame or the sin of unjust wars on leaders and commanders.</p>
<p>Maybe we are closer to Kipling than anything else:</p>
<blockquote><p>The earth is full of anger,<br />
The seas are dark with wrath,<br />
The Nations in their harness<br />
Go up against our path:<br />
Ere yet we loose the legions &#8211;<br />
Ere yet we draw the blade,<br />
Jehovah of the Thunders,<br />
Lord God of Battles, aid!</p>
<p>High lust and froward bearing,<br />
Proud heart, rebellious brow &#8211;<br />
Deaf ear and soul uncaring,<br />
We seek Thy mercy now!<br />
The sinner that forswore Thee,<br />
The fool that passed Thee by,<br />
Our times are known before Thee &#8211;<br />
Lord, grant us strength to die!</p>
<p>For those who kneel beside us<br />
At altars not Thine own,<br />
Who lack the lights that guide us,<br />
Lord, let their faith atone.<br />
If wrong we did to call them,<br />
By honour bound they came;<br />
Let not Thy Wrath befall them,<br />
But deal to us the blame.</p>
<p>From panic, pride, and terror,<br />
Revenge that knows no rein,<br />
Light haste and lawless error,<br />
Protect us yet again.<br />
Cloak Thou our undeserving,<br />
Make firm the shuddering breath,<br />
In silence and unswerving<br />
To taste Thy lesser death!</p>
<p>Ah, Mary pierced with sorrow,<br />
Remember, reach and save<br />
The soul that comes to-morrow<br />
Before the God that gave!<br />
Since each was born of woman,<br />
For each at utter need &#8211;<br />
True comrade and true foeman &#8211;<br />
Madonna, intercede!</p>
<p>E&#8217;en now their vanguard gathers,<br />
E&#8217;en now we face the fray &#8211;<br />
As Thou didst help our fathers,<br />
Help Thou our host to-day!<br />
Fulfilled of signs and wonders,<br />
In life, in death made clear &#8211;<br />
Jehovah of the Thunders,<br />
Lord God of Battles, hear!</p></blockquote>
<p>What do you think our doctrine and our practice really happen to be?</p>
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		<title>So what is a Mormon?  What is a Feminist?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/24/so-what-is-a-mormon-what-is-a-feminist/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[To answer the question &#8220;what is a Mormon?&#8221; I found myself asking the question &#8220;what is a Feminist?&#8221; I was at a lunch.  I was talking with someone who was putting a program together to support female attorneys and make them feel included.  She was talking to several of us about how important it was to have good role models, to make certain that girls knew that any education they wanted, any choices they wanted or needed would be supported and were good and encouraged and how important it was to be inclusive.  She was looking for groups to reach out to in support of this, and thinking of some LDS attorneys who were also part of Feminist Mormon Housewives in the area, I suggested that she might want to make contact with them.  She gave me a look as if I had lost my mind.  &#8220;I&#8217;ve a sister who is a feminist, what does what I&#8217;m doing have to do with anything a feminist would have anything in common with?&#8221; That struck me.  The same question sometimes comes up when people consider what is a Mormon. For some it is easy.  The LDS who went West took with them [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer the question &#8220;what is a Mormon?&#8221; I found myself asking the question &#8220;what is a Feminist?&#8221;</p>
<p>I was at a lunch.  I was talking with someone who was putting a program together to support female attorneys and make them feel included.  She was talking to several of us about how important it was to have good role models, to make certain that girls knew that any education they wanted, any choices they wanted or needed would be supported and were good and encouraged and how important it was to be inclusive.  She was looking for groups to reach out to in support of this, and thinking of some LDS attorneys who were also part of Feminist Mormon Housewives in the area, I suggested that she might want to make contact with them.  She gave me a look as if I had lost my mind.  &#8220;I&#8217;ve a sister who is a feminist, what does what I&#8217;m doing have to do with anything a feminist would have anything in common with?&#8221;</p>
<p>That struck me.  The same question sometimes comes up when people consider what is a Mormon.</p>
<p><span id="more-11768"></span>For some it is easy.  The LDS who went West took with them the &#8220;Mormon&#8221; label, those who stayed East, whether Strangites, Reorganized or others did not. For some the dividing line was Brigham Young.  That may have been the denotation, but the connotation was polygamy.  In the popular mind that is still the case (consider Mitt Romney and the fact he had to address the issue).  Within the LDS Church the denotation is &#8220;real&#8221; LDS are Mormons, others (i.e. polygamist off-shoots) are something else.  For the FLDS, they asked for LDS families to take in their children (instead of foster homes where the rate of underage pregnancy is much higher than the rate the FLDS were accused of, none-the-less the real rate) because they felt that their children were better off with &#8220;Mormons&#8221; than with others. (And yes, the first I heard about it was when one of the ad litems contacted me, looking for a way to contact the LDS Church at the request of her FLDS court appointed clients).</p>
<p>But it has made me think.  Is a &#8220;mormon&#8221; what Joseph Smith defined it as (mor = more and mon = good; anyone who sought more good); is it anyone who accepts the Book of Mormon; is it the Church that went West; does it require (or does it require rejecting) polygamy &#8212; just what is a Mormon?  Is it as easy to answer as &#8220;What is a Feminist?</p>
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		<title>Being heard when you complain</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came home one day from Sacrament meeting and my wife had a sheet of paper, on official church stationary, titled “First Presidency Statement on Birth Control.”  It had been passed out in Relief Society with instructions not to mention it to husbands.  The statement seemed somewhat suspect, though I had a good idea of its actual author and why it had been promulgated the way it had been.  It wasn’t long until there was a visit from Salt Lake and the matter was resolved.  No one ever gave me any problems as a result of my complaint about the incident.  What I did, anyone can do, more or less.  It involves how to be heard rather than ignored. I took a copy of the letter and mailed it to Salt Lake, addressed to a committee (whose name has probably change by now).  Basically I said “When I was in law school, I was asked if I ever came across something that appeared to be put out as an official Church statement to forward it.  I’m not sure if this is what was meant or not, but I’m sending it in.  It came home from a meeting at Church this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came home one day from  Sacrament meeting and my wife had a sheet of paper, on official church  stationary, titled “First Presidency Statement on Birth Control.”  It had been  passed out in Relief Society with instructions not to mention it to husbands.   The statement seemed somewhat suspect, though I had a good idea of its actual  author and why it had been promulgated the way it had been.  It wasn’t long  until there was a visit from Salt Lake and the matter was resolved.  No one  ever gave me any problems as a result of my complaint about the incident.  What  I did, anyone can do, more or less.  It involves how to be heard rather than  ignored.</p>
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<p>I took a copy of the  letter and mailed it to Salt Lake, addressed to a committee (whose name  has probably change by now).  Basically I said “When I was in law school, I was  asked if I ever came across something that appeared to be put out as an official  Church statement to forward it.  I’m not sure if this is what was meant or not,  but I’m sending it in.  It came home from a meeting at Church this week.  Thanks  for your patience.  Sincerely yours, SM.”  That was it.  I think it illustrates  the point though.</p>
<p>First, I took a slightly  understated approach and did not overstate any fact.  If what is going on is  wrong, then it speaks for itself.  This thing sure did.  Nothing I could say  about it could do anything but blunt the impact.</p>
<p>Second, I did not blame  anyone for the statement or for passing it out.  I did not identify the guy  whose stationary was used, the guy he passed it to, the local guy who shared it  or anyone else.</p>
<p>Third, I did not tell  anyone what to do with the problem.  I didn’t even say it was a  problem.</p>
<p>Something similar  happened recently.  A poster reported that he had been told to keep his new  Stake President in the dark about something because there was an ongoing  criminal case, etc.  I happened to know that the policy was not that a Stake  President was to be kept in the dark but that the Stake President should do  nothing to discourage criminal prosecution.  I mentioned it and was given  someone’s e-mail, direct phone line and asked to have them contact him  immediately so he could make certain that the mistake was cleared up and that  the attorney who was explaining things got a lesson in clarity.  (Yes, the  information was passed along to someone who has privileges to access e-mail on  postings in order to send the contact information onward.  I don’t have that  access, btw).</p>
<p>What did I do?  I merely  mentioned that someone reported that they thought they had been told not to  inform the new Stake President, that he should be kept in the dark about the  issue.  I was understated about it.  Did not blame anyone (other than to say  that is what they understood from talking to the Church’s attorney).  I did not  suggest anything.</p>
<p>Now I don’t complain  often.  I’ve complained once in my current stake, got an apology (much to my  surprise) and an immediate change in behavior from people who are, honestly,  doing their best to do their best.  But the people I talked to knew that I liked  them, I support them, and I care about them.  Again, I was understated, I let  the issue speak for itself.  I did not blame anyone in particular for a trend  that had evolved.  I did not tell anyone what to do.  But it was “Gee, have you  noticed …” – once they did notice they reacted immediately, faster than I would  have.  But then, they are good men.</p>
<p>Me.  Currently I show up  to meetings.  Support my wife in her callings.  Teach a lesson every other  month.  Do my hometeaching most of the time.  But I’m no one of particular  importance.</p>
<p>However, I’ve seen lots  of failed complaints.  I’ve known people who regularly complain and who get  ignored even more often (unless they get called to the position they’ve  complained about.  I know one brother who did not quit complaining fast enough  and ended up in the new bishopric when he had been complaining about the old  one.  I warned him that might happen).  Failed complaints tend to have a similar  pattern.</p>
<p>First, they are  overstated.  They do not rest on incontrovertible facts that cannot be  contested.</p>
<p>Second, they blame  someone.</p>
<p>Third, they have  definite desired solutions that are often presented with the  complaint.</p>
<p>Fourth, they are from  people who complain often.</p>
<p>Now sometimes solutions  are ok, especially for nit picks.  E.g. you know, the sacrament trays really are  water spotted.  Would you like me to use silver polish on them once a month?  As  long as I’m offering to take care of a problem, and it is “janitorial” type  stuff, no one complains.  I suspect if I was to try and make common complaints  like that I’d run out of things to complain about (or become the new best friend  of the agent bishop).  But otherwise, being heard includes being heard to ask  about rather than being heard to tell about or being heard trying to dictate  to.</p>
<p>I’d like to suggest that  if you have a problem being heard when you complain, that you consider which  pattern you fall into and then make the adjustments necessary to be heard when  it matters.  Otherwise, what  you really intend is not to be  heard at all.</p>
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		<title>Of course [fill in the blank] isn&#8217;t worth trying to save</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/10/of-course-fill-in-the-blank-isnt-worth-trying-to-save/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all know some groups are not redeemable.  Democrats, heretics who think Christ can be your friend, those who abuse children.  If they aren&#8217;t redeemable, then they aren&#8217;t worth trying to save?  Or are they? First, to understand who can be redeemed, it helps to understand just what it takes.  It takes acknowledging sin and being willing to fully accept the consequences.  We assure people&#8217;s failure to repent when we encourage them to justify whatever they have done that is wrong or to avoid the consequences. Recognition and restitution do not occur in people who do not admit their sin to be unjustified sin in the first place.  Without those two steps, there is no forgiveness of sin, be it small or large. Second, true recognition requires true confession, which in many cases requires public acknowledgment. Third, it requires the kind of transformation that only occurs when someone is willing to accept permanent limits on future behavior.  Think of those who buried their weapons in the earth. They were willing to accept limits and foreclose themselves from future temptation.  In a similar vein, in Europe sexual offenders often choose therapeutic castration to avoid temptation or backsliding. So, if we hide [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know some groups are not redeemable.  Democrats, heretics who think Christ can be your friend, those who abuse children.  If they aren&#8217;t redeemable, then they aren&#8217;t worth trying to save?  Or are they?</p>
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<p>First, to understand who can be redeemed, it helps to understand just what it takes.  It takes acknowledging sin and being willing to fully accept the consequences.  We assure people&#8217;s failure to repent when we encourage them to justify whatever they have done that is wrong or to avoid the consequences.</p>
<p>Recognition and restitution do not occur in people who do not admit their sin to be unjustified sin in the first place.  Without those two steps, there is no forgiveness of sin, be it small or large.</p>
<p>Second, true recognition requires true confession, which in many cases requires public acknowledgment.</p>
<p>Third, it requires the kind of transformation that only occurs when someone is willing to accept permanent limits on future behavior.  Think of those who buried their weapons in the earth. They were willing to accept limits and foreclose themselves from future temptation.  In a similar vein, in Europe sexual offenders often choose therapeutic castration to avoid temptation or backsliding.</p>
<p>So, if we hide sins, if we allow people justification, if we let them avoid the full consequences of secular law, if we do not encourage them to set permanent future limits, we inhibit repentance and basically confirm that the person really isn&#8217;t worth trying to save and really can&#8217;t repent.  Regardless of what justice requires, mercy requires that we help offenders through these steps.</p>
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		<title>The Paradox of Organized Charity</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/03/the-paradox-of-organized-charity/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Experimental ethics is an area that teaches lessons we may not expect.  Some of the lessons make sense.  Panhandlers working in front of a bakery are more successful than those next to an open sewer.  Our peers affect what we will do.  Someone standing around doing nothing makes it less likely someone else will get helped. Participating in organized charity makes people less charitable &#8212; it consumes their general allocation of charitable feelings rather than expanding them.  That leads to the question of how to encourage kindness if organized activities are often counterproductive. Modeling, peer group normalizing, self directed opportunity awareness.  These all sound like buzzwords, but they have real meanings, real applications.  An example helps. Dr. Jack McConnell, at dinner would ask his kids what random act of kindness or charity they had done that day.  In his own life he modeled charity.  He created a family peer group with his children so that they would see charity as normal.  His method taught them to look for opportunities. That daily effort is the sort of act that expands awareness rather than closing it off.  The daily report increases reflection and understanding.  It is an excellent example of how to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Experimental ethics is an area that teaches lessons we may not expect.  Some of the lessons make sense.  Panhandlers working in front of a bakery are more successful than those next to an open sewer.  Our peers affect what we will do.  Someone standing around doing nothing makes it less likely someone else will get helped.</p>
<p>Participating in organized charity makes people less charitable &#8212; it consumes their general allocation of charitable feelings rather than expanding them.  That leads to the question of how to encourage kindness if organized activities are often counterproductive.</p>
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<p>Modeling, peer group normalizing, self directed opportunity awareness.  These all sound like buzzwords, but they have real meanings, real applications.  An example helps.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=f6ce56627ab94210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">Dr. Jack McConnell</a>, at dinner would ask his kids what random act of kindness or charity they had done that day.  In his own life he modeled charity.  He created a family peer group with his children so that they would see charity as normal.  His method taught them to look for opportunities.</p>
<p>That daily effort is the sort of act that expands awareness rather than closing it off.  The daily report increases reflection and understanding.  It is an excellent example of how to do it, how integrate charity as something that we do rather than something that gets in our way.</p>
<p>Of the primary virtues in our lives, can you think of another more essential, one we need more and are more likely to overlook?  What have you done today to help others find a way to be something they do rather than something that gets in the way?</p>
<p>Can you think of other paradoxes that you have found a way to overcome?</p>
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		<title>On becoming a [p]rophet (small &#8220;p&#8221;)</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/27/on-becoming-a-prophet-small-p/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 18:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I often meet two kinds of people.  The first has a voice that others hear.  The other has a desire to be heard, but they don&#8217;t know how to bridge the gap, how to become a prophet (that is Prophet with a small &#8220;p&#8221;).  That is what this essay is about. Part of writing this post is facing my own failures.  Part of it explaining what the cost is to achieve a voice that is heard, something I have done in the past and have seen others do.  Part of it is lessons learned. You have to have a focus.  You need a single topic, or tightly related set of topics.  In my own case it was ADR.  In Suzette Haden Elgin&#8217;s case it was verbal violence.  In Dr. De Mars case it is tribal ethics.  I would note that Dr. Elgin is a wonderful author of feminist fiction, an artist I respect (I have some of her work) and has other accomplishments.  Sorry, she only has a strong voice in her primary focus.  Dr. De Mars is a well regarded professor of advanced statistics and a world judo champion.  Her voice that matters is in ethics. You have to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often meet two kinds of people.  The first has a voice that others hear.  The other has a desire to be heard, but they don&#8217;t know how to bridge the gap, how to become a prophet (that is Prophet with a small &#8220;p&#8221;).  That is what this essay is about.</p>
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<p>Part of writing this post is facing my own failures.  Part of it explaining what the cost is to achieve a voice that is heard, something I have done in the past and have seen others do.  Part of it is lessons learned.</p>
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<li>You have to have a focus.  You need a single topic, or tightly related set of topics.  In my own case it was <a href="http://adrr.com/">ADR</a>.  In <a href="http://ozarque.com/">Suzette Haden Elgin&#8217;s case it was verbal violence</a>.  In <a href="http://www.spiritlakeconsulting.com/intranet/blog/">Dr. De Mars case it is tribal ethics</a>.  I would note that Dr. Elgin is a wonderful author of feminist fiction, an artist I respect (I have some of her work) and has other accomplishments.  Sorry, she only has a strong voice in her primary focus.  Dr. De Mars is a well regarded professor of advanced statistics and a world judo champion.  Her voice that matters is in ethics.</li>
<li>You have to accept costs in pride.  To be heard clearly you have to choose accessibility in your communication.  That means that a certain group will disparage you and, if you do it well, the rest will think that anyone could have written or said what you had to say.</li>
<li>You have to take time to learn the area you want to have a voice in.  It takes two thousand hours to gain solid understanding.  Ten thousand hours of applied practice and study to gain mastery.</li>
<li>You have to accept collateral demands as well.  Carla Bateman, who had a voice locally for many, many years, probably spent thirty or more hours in selfless volunteer service doing things she could have been paid for (she was and is a nurse).</li>
<li>If you want a voice in any community of faith you have to respect its norms, have knowledge of its core and maintain spiritual resonance.  If I wanted a mainstream LDS voice I would need to shave my beard &#8212; which would make Win and my employer sad, though my ten year old would be happy.</li>
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<p>When you look at Area Authorities in the Church you will see people who have given thousands of hours of service, who observe norms, who spend time in prayer, study and focus.  When they speak they are easily understood.  If you want a voice of that type or greater, you have to accept a level of cost at at least that level.</p>
<p>Finally, the sixth point (and I know the rule of fives, but obviously, as I&#8217;ve noted, I have my failures), you have to embrace humility.  If you can&#8217;t embrace loving humility, true patience and kindness, then no matter what you think about what you have to say, you are ready to be the one to say it. (cf Numbers 16:10).</p>
<p>You have to decide if what you have to say is worth it.  With ADR I&#8217;ve said what I had to say.  I guess I should go back and clean up typos, do some editing and rewriting and such (that is part of the work and humility that would be part of having and keeping a voice), fill in gaps in material and such, but I don&#8217;t see a need, you can tell I&#8217;m not willing to pay the price.</p>
<p>That decision, and acknowledging it, and the elements of the real price, goes into deciding if you really want to have a voice, if you really want to be a prophet, someone who speaks on an issue and who is really heard.  Dr. Elgin decided to pay the price.  She has sold millions of volumes, changed many lives for the better. I consider her one of the saints of God.  I have not done it, yet I have reflected on my failures, and I hope my reflections and thoughts will aid those who desire to have a voice and who are honestly willing to do what it takes to be a [p]rophet.</p>
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		<title>Truths that are powerful, essential, yet not always helpful</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/21/truths-that-are-powerful-essential-yet-not-always-helpful/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 07:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I once knew a woman who complained of her new therapist (she had been in therapy for years) that after thirty minutes he had interrupted and told her that her real problem was that she was trying to be the child in the relationship with her children and husband and she needed to face that her role was to be the adult.  As she complained loud and wide about the therapist everyone she complained to thought “gee, that is the truth.” The truth was essential knowledge that she needed to have.  But telling her was not productive at all, it was not helpful, all it did was build resistance in her to change.  The same mistake was made by the guy who told the Narcissist that his misfortune in having both of his ex-wives have their only episodes of mental illness, rather unpleasant borderline personality divergences, while married to him, was not bad luck but a direct result of the narcissism. There are other things that are powerful, essential and yet pointing them out doesn’t always help.  That is especially true of the gospel. For example.  It is an important truth that you resent those you have wronged.  If there [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once knew a woman who complained  of her new therapist (she had been in therapy for years) that after thirty  minutes he had interrupted and told her that her real problem was that she was  trying to be the child in the relationship with her children and husband and she  needed to face that her role was to be the adult.  As she complained loud and  wide about the therapist everyone she complained to thought “gee, that is the  truth.”</p>
<p>The truth was essential knowledge  that she needed to have.  But telling her was not productive at all, it was not  helpful, all it did was build resistance in her to change.  The same mistake was  made by the guy who told the Narcissist that his misfortune in having both of  his ex-wives have their only episodes of mental illness, rather unpleasant  borderline personality divergences, while married to him, was not bad luck but a  direct result of the narcissism.</p>
<p>There are other things that are  powerful, essential and yet pointing them out doesn’t always help.  That is  especially true of the gospel.</p>
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<p><em>For example</em>.  It is an  important truth that you resent those you have wronged.  If there is resentment,  no matter what happened, part of it involves a wrong by you.  That is the core  message of the Arbinger Group, btw, and the key to their miraculous successes in  the past in reconciling parents and children.  Having resentment is like  drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.</p>
<p>Yet delivering the  message the wrong time and in the wrong way can make things worse, especially  for victims of random assault or violence where the only wrong may well be the  resentment itself.  Resentment is sometimes the most lasting harm done to a  victim.</p>
<p><em>Another example</em>.  Blaming others and  refusing to accept responsibility for your problems guarantees failure, it keeps  you helpless.  You may not be legally, morally or esthetically responsible for  the past, but only you control how you react to and create the future.  Coming  to that understanding is a core part of recovery from grief, loss and life  changing disaster.  Yet presented the wrong time and way all it does is make the  harm to victims worse.</p>
<p>I think of things like  this when I deal with those facing a recent loss of a child or other tragedy.   There are times when these spiritual truths heal.  There are times they only  hurt and make things worse.</p>
<p>The point is that I  think that as God deals with us, He has truths that are essential to us,  powerful in their reach; yet, not always things that will help us at this  instant time.</p>
<p>What do you think?  What  have you experienced in the way of spiritual truths you feel are essential  truths, powerful in their scope, yet not always helpful, that you can appreciate  now but that if your younger self had been told them it would only have slowed  you down?  I’d love to hear back on the perspectives and experiences of others  because I am convinced that this is part of our being children of God, not yet  grown beyond that status.</p>
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		<title>Sets, Meta-Sets and an Incomplete World</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/17/sets-meta-sets-and-an-incomplete-world/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 07:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Marsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We know we live in a fallen and imperfect world, that God has light and knowledge for us, both individually and as a church that we have yet to earn because of our failure to apply what we already know with diligence. We know that the outward form of the gospel varies dramatically by time, era and place (seen any Levites recently?  Think Abraham relied on them?  Alma?)  Yet we often do not think about how that might interact with us today.  But what does that really mean? The gospel in action in any era appears to be a sub-set of the meta-set that is the gospel.  We acknowledge the difference between the culture (Mormon) and the Church (LDS).  It is easy, sometimes, to miss the gap between the Church and the Gospel (Christ) because the current Church is what God has given our generation to convey the Gospel. So, in one generation there is no pork, no catfish and no shrimp on the dinner menu.  In another generation everyone is circumcised.  In one generation, only Levites hold the priesthood.  In another, the kings select who is to be a priest. Sometimes the gospel of Christ goes only to the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know we live in a fallen and imperfect world, that God has light and knowledge for us, both individually and as a church that we have yet to earn because of our failure to apply what we already know with diligence.</p>
<p>We know that the outward form of the gospel varies dramatically by time, era and place (seen any Levites recently?  Think Abraham relied on them?  Alma?)  Yet we often do not think about how that might interact with us today.  But what does that really mean?<br />
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The gospel in action in any era appears to be a sub-set of the meta-set that is the gospel.  We acknowledge the difference between the culture (Mormon) and the Church (LDS).  It is easy, sometimes, to miss the gap between the Church and the Gospel (Christ) because the current Church is what God has given our generation to convey the Gospel.</p>
<p>So, in one generation there is no pork, no catfish and no shrimp on the dinner menu.  In another generation everyone is circumcised.  In one generation, only Levites hold the priesthood.  In another, the kings select who is to be a priest. Sometimes the gospel of Christ goes only to the house of Israel, at other times to all nations.</p>
<p>Often there are multiple factors at play at once.  Sometimes a change only waits until we ask.  At other times a change is thrust upon us.  At other times, God says “not yet” and may even say “it will happen, but you need to quit asking, your time is not the time.”</p>
<p>I rarely see anyone discussing why they think we have the sub-set of the gospel we have, what it would take to change, and why we should be obeying now, with faith our slice of the whole. We accept that when Israel split into the Northern and Southern kingdoms that Jeroboam sinned against God by passing the priesthood outside the tribe of Levi and by setting up his own alters.  We nod at the story of Saul, who led the sacrifice himself, not waiting for Samuel, and the lecture he got about how obedience is better than the fat of rams.</p>
<p>But, do we accept, that perhaps, we need to live within our restrictions, no matter how good of a reason we think we have to insist otherwise? Do we seek out God for knowledge, patience and faith?  Where are the Cornelius’ of our generation, to the extent that change is appropriate and timely?  Are we Peter, Paul, Cornelius or are we Jeroboam?<br />
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Some good examples.</p>
<ul>
<li>Wine in the Bible is generally a grape beer, about 2% to 3% alcohol, cut 4-1 with water so that the finished product is about 20% wine with an alcohol content of .4% to .6% &#8212; similar to home brewed root beer.  It was used to make water safer to drink and for nutrition.  Even so, there is a frission or friction in the older scriptures about it (cf. Proverbs 20:1; Isaiah 5:11).</li>
<li>Who has the priesthood, who prophesies?  2 Kings 22:14; Exodus 15:20; Judges 4:4; Alma 32:23; Nehemiah 6:14.</li>
<li>Polygamy, need I say more?  Jacob 2:30.</li>
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<p>There are many other examples, things done in one time and place, conduct guidelines, mores, laws, privileges and rules. All seem to be schoolmasters to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:24).</p>
<p>So, what of our set have you decided to ignore?  If you had been with Moses, what would you have thought to opt out of?  (Exodus 22:22; 23:2?).  What makes our time, our obedience, different from what went before?  Why?  How much of our set of the gospel for our age should we leave for others to abide and not ourselves?  Why?</p>
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