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		<title>Yom Kippur and the Symbolism of Jonah&#8217;s Spiritual Journey</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #33 If your ward happens to be just a little bit behind on the Sunday School lessons, you might experience the synchronicity of having the Book of Jonah read on Yom Kippur.  This year, the Jewish holiday falls on September 18 (close enough to Sunday the 19th!) and Jonah is traditionally read as part of the celebration. Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) is the holiest and most widely observed day on the Jewish calendar.  It is a day of fasting, lengthy confession of sins, prayer, and repentance.  Jonah&#8217;s prophecy is included in the liturgy for that day as a symbolic spiritual journey that each person undertakes.  I think the symbolism in Jonah&#8217;s story is very meaningful and I&#8217;d like to explore it in depth here. The message of Jonah&#8217;s prophecy resonates within the human soul. We are born with a subconscious realization of the fact that we have a mission. We seek escape, because our mission is often one that we are afraid to attempt. Jonah&#8217;s story begins when he is given a mission from the Lord and he flees to Joppa and there boards a ship to Tarshish.  These places actually exist, but the meaning of [...]]]></description>
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<p>If your ward happens to be just a little bit behind on the Sunday School lessons, you might experience the synchronicity of having the Book of Jonah read on Yom Kippur.  This year, the Jewish holiday falls on September 18 (close enough to Sunday the 19th!) and Jonah is traditionally read as part of the celebration.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday4.htm">Yom Kippur</a> (the Day of Atonement) is the holiest and most widely observed day on the Jewish calendar.  It is a day of fasting, lengthy confession of sins, prayer, and repentance.  Jonah&#8217;s prophecy is included in the liturgy for that day as a symbolic spiritual journey that each person undertakes.  I think the symbolism in Jonah&#8217;s story is very meaningful and I&#8217;d like to explore it in depth here.<span id="more-12568"></span></p>
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<p>The message of Jonah&#8217;s prophecy resonates within the human soul. We are born with a subconscious realization of the fact that we have a mission. We seek escape, because our mission is often one that we are afraid to attempt. Jonah&#8217;s story begins when he is given a mission from the Lord and he flees to Joppa and there boards a ship to Tarshish.  These places actually exist, but the meaning of the names of these cities are &#8220;beauty&#8221; and &#8220;wealth.&#8221;  We comfort ourselves externally by escaping from our inner knowledge of our mission through the pursuit of wealth, and by surrounding ourselves with worldly beauty.</p>
<p>The water journey is powerfully symbolic in literature.  Beginning with ancient sources in a number of cultures and languages, a hero&#8217;s voyage across the waters evokes adventure, danger, growth, and self-discovery.  Included in this canon is the ancient Mesopotamian story of Gilgamesh: one man&#8217;s search for immortality.  Although widely known for its parallel to the Biblical story of the Flood, this is a work which stands on its own.  It illuminates human relationships, experiences and feelings: loneliness, love, loss, revenge, regret, endurance, joy and sorrow, and the fear of oblivion that comes with death.  The Celtic narrative of Brendan the Navigator is a water quest designed to bring him into engagement with God.  His journey is cyclic; it takes he and his fellow travelers seven years to arrive at a place that was never so far from their starting point.  The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is a more modern water journey &#8212; an exploration of the significance of nature in a world characterized by religious uncertainty.  In all of these pieces, the human on a quest for immortality learns something important about death and life, the Divine, and his own inner soul.</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/jonah3.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-12590" style="margin-left: 50px; margin-right: 50px;" title="jonah3" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/jonah3.jpg" alt="" width="230" height="162" /></a>In these water journeys, the ship is meaningful and symbolic of the human body. We face moments in life in which the fragility of our bodies is inescapable, as in when we face illness, or confront times of danger that seem to last an eternity until they are resolved. Jonah&#8217;s weakness is apparent in the story, but he also shows moments of triumph, as when he asks the sailors to cast him into the sea so that they may continue their voyage unencumbered; or when he prays in the belly of the great fish. As with Jonah, our recognition of our own vulnerability can bring us to finally transcend our ego, surrendering our desire to control events, and beginning at last to accept our mission in life, no matter what it is.  We can suffer the vicissitudes of life, and recognize that we ourselves have caused the storms to toss us back and forth. We can move forward to fulfill our purpose, but we are still not free of conflict and anxiety until we finally recognize that every step along the way, we are embraced by Divine compassion.</p>
<p>The great fish is the symbol of confrontation of the recognition that our ultimate fate is the grave. Each must have his or her days of darkness in the belly of the fish, facing the reality of death. For some, that recognition almost feels like a welcome refuge. For others, facing death forces them at last into pursuing life!</p>
<p>Finally, notice that with his desire to escape his mission, Jonah did not fear failure.  His fear was that his preaching would have an effect on the pagan people he was sent to, and they would also become God&#8217;s chosen people.  No, he wasn&#8217;t afraid of failure, but success!  This reminds me of an excerpt from <em><strong>Return to Love</strong></em> by Marianne Williamson (often erroneously attributed to Nelson Mandela):</p>
<h3 style="padding-left: 60px;">Our Greatest Fear —Marianne Williamson</h3>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Jonah.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-12584" style="margin-left: 100px; margin-right: 100px;" title="Jonah" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Jonah.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="361" /></a></p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Actually, who are you not to be?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">You are a child of God.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Your playing small does not serve the world.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">There&#8217;s nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won&#8217;t feel insecure around you.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">It&#8217;s not just in some of us; it&#8217;s in everyone.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">And as we let our own light shine,<br />
we unconsciously give other people<br />
permission to do the same.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">As we are liberated from our own fear,<br />
Our presence automatically liberates others.</p>
<p>Jonah is hardly the only prophet who was reluctant to respond to God&#8217;s call. Even Moses, the greatest of all prophets, tried to persuade God to send somebody else. Jonah was not the only prophet to show human weakness.  But in the end, Jonah&#8217;s tale even becomes a <a href="http://www.summit1.edu/gun07/gun06.htm">symbolic representation of the Savior</a>, when the Lord identifies the three days and nights in the fish&#8217;s belly as analogous with what he himself will have to face (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/matt/12/39-41#39">Matt 12:39-41</a>).  Through his spiritual journey, Jonah learned to &#8220;<em><strong>think different</strong></em>&#8220;: to embrace his mission, to accept and work with his unique talents and failings, to develop compassion for his fellow man.</p>
<p>It is then that we are ready to return to God. While for each of us the path is our own, and never yet explored by any other person, Jonah knew the beginning and the end of the journey that we all make.</p>
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		<title>Religious Archaeology and Evidence</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;d like to discuss both Biblical and Book of Mormon archaeology.  Most people believe the Bible is on solid archaeological footing, but that isn&#8217;t actually true.  Many books have questionable authorship, and many places remain unidentified.  In a previous post, I discussed Questions about the Exodus: there isn&#8217;t a shred of evidence that it actually happened.  During Passover celebrations in 2001, Rabbi David Wolpe created international headlines in Israel by proclaiming to his Jewish congregation in Los Angeles, “the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all.” I&#8217;ve been listening to a podcast from Yale University discussing the Bible.  There are definite similarities between the Babylonian story of  Gilgamesh and the stories of Adam and Noah.  Some people, such as Bishop Rick, have said I think it is accurate to state that the flood story in the bible is both myth and a forgery. It is obviously a myth for reasons too numerous to mention here, but it is also copied from other cultures/religions, thus making it a forgery. It could very well be a myth.  While some scholars believe the story is a myth, National Geographic put together a documentary called &#8220;In Search [...]]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;d like to discuss both Biblical and Book of Mormon archaeology.  Most people believe the Bible is on solid archaeological footing, but that isn&#8217;t actually true.  Many books have questionable authorship, and many places remain unidentified.  In a previous post, I discussed <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/04/11/questions-about-the-exodus/">Questions about the Exodus</a>: there isn&#8217;t a shred of evidence that it actually happened.  During Passover celebrations in 2001, Rabbi David Wolpe created international headlines in Israel by proclaiming to his Jewish congregation in Los Angeles, “the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all.”</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />I&#8217;ve been listening to a <a href="http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/introduction-to-the-old-testament-hebrew-bible/" target="_blank">podcast from Yale University discussing the Bible</a>.  There are definite similarities between the Babylonian story of  Gilgamesh and the stories of Adam and Noah.  Some people, such as Bishop Rick, have said</p>
<blockquote><p>I think it is accurate to state that the flood story in the bible is both myth and a forgery. It is obviously a myth for reasons too numerous to mention here, but it is also copied from other cultures/religions, thus making it a forgery.<span id="more-12419"></span></p></blockquote>
<p>It could very well be a myth.  While some scholars believe the story is a myth, <a href="http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html" target="_blank">National Geographic put together a documentary called &#8220;In Search for Noah&#8217;s Flood&#8221;</a>.  They discuss various flood stories, and make the case that a large, localized flood must have influenced these various cultures to write of this flood.  While there is no proof of a flood, it seems like a plausible explanation.</p>
<p>Recently I discussed a couple of sites in the Dead Sea region that <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/21/has-sodom-and-gomorrah-been-found/">some people believe are the sites of Sodom and Gomorrah</a>.  While some people love to claim the Bible is actually a collection of myths, Dr. Carole Fontaine of the Andover Newton Theological School said, “Archeologists often find themselves hooted and hollered out of town, when they first suggest things like, ‘I’ve found Troy, or look, we’ve found Sodom and Gomorrah.’  But history has shown that in fact, the more you dig, the more you find.  It’s amazing how accurate the Bible sometimes turns out to be.”</p>
<p>Speaking of hooting and hollering, John Hamer recently recorded a famous comment regarding Book of Mormon archaeology.  He said,</p>
<blockquote><p>The scholarly consensus on the alleged antiquity of the Book of Mormon was expressed way back in 1973 in Dialogue by Michael D. Coe, among the foremost Mayanist scholars, who wrote: “As far as I know there is not one professionally trained archaeologist, who is not a Mormon, who sees any scientific justification for believing the historicity of The Book of Mormon, and I would like to state that there are quite a few Mormon archaeologists who join this group”</p></blockquote>
<p>The best Book of mormon archaeological site seems to be Nahom.  <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/01/28/nahom-archeaological-evidence-of-book-of-mormon/">I&#8217;ve previously blogged about Nahom</a>, and Daniel C. Peterson called it a &#8220;bulls eye&#8221;.  In the video called<a href="http://store.fairlds.org/prod/p0934893039.html" target="_blank"> Journey of Faith</a> (distributed by FAIR), a few BYU scholars state,</p>
<blockquote><p>Daniel C. Peterson, Professor of Islamic Studies and Arabic, BYU, “The finding of Nahom strikes me as just a tremendously significant discovery.”</p>
<p>Noel B Reynolds, director of FARMS, BYU, “The gazetteers of Joseph Smith’s day listed no such place.”</p>
<p>Peterson, “What it really is, is a kind of prediction by the Book of Mormon, or something that we ought to find.”</p>
<p>William J Hamblin, Professor of Middle Eastern History, BYU, “Now the chances of finding that exact name from the exact time, in that exact place, by random chance, are just astronomical.”</p>
<p>Peterson, “And to find it in the right location, at the right time, is a really striking bulls eye for the book and there are those who say the book has no archeological substantiation. That’s a spectacular substantiation right there, it seems to me.  Something that would have been unexpected. It’s so unlikely that Joseph Smith could have woven into his story on his own.”</p>
<p>Hamblin, “The Book of Mormon has text, has made a complex prediction and modern archeology actually confirms that prediction.”</p>
<p>Peterson, “It’s a direct bulls-eye, as precise as you could wish it to be.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think non-Mormon scholars are as impressed with the site as Peterson, but non-Bible believing scholars aren&#8217;t impressed with Sodom and Gomorrah either.  So, must we always believe that lack of evidence argues against historicity of the Bible or Book or Mormon, or is there reason to believe that some of these stories that scholars call myths, forgeries, or pious frauds really might have some historical use?  Is it true that &#8220;the more you dig, the more you find?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Best and Worst: Bible Verses!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you… and ye shall find rest unto your souls.” (Matthew 11:28-29) “Happy shall they be who seize your infants, And dashes them against the rocks!” (Psalms 137: 9) Today&#8217;s &#8220;Best and Worst&#8221; post comes from Steve at Pine Mountain Walker, the originator of the “best and worst” series, with “Best and Worst Bible Verses.” Here is his choice for the #1 verse in the Bible, as well as a fun (and gruesome!) selection of “worst verses.&#8221; His comments are in blue, Hawkgrrrl style: Best Verse: John 8:32 (KJV): &#8220;And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.&#8221;  Here’s one teaser verse that, if taken literally, may be the most redeeming verse in the entire Bible. Thanks to Yeshua, or whoever authored it. I realize this leaves the door wide open for what “truth” may be…  and I’m happy to leave it at that. Worst Verses: Genesis 19.4-8: &#8220;Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house… they called to Lot and said to him, ‘Where are the men who came [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><em>“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you… and ye shall find rest unto your souls.” (Matthew 11:28-29)</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>“Happy shall they be who seize your infants, And dashes them against the rocks!” (Psalms 137: 9)</em></p>
<p>Today&#8217;s &#8220;Best and Worst&#8221; post comes from Steve at <a href="http://pinemountainwalker.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Pine Mountain Walker</a>, the originator of the “best and worst” series, with “Best and Worst Bible Verses.” Here is his choice for the #1 verse in the Bible, as well as a fun (and gruesome!) selection of “worst verses.&#8221; His comments are in blue, Hawkgrrrl style:<span id="more-11868"></span></p>
<p><strong>Best Verse:</strong><br />
John 8:32 (KJV): &#8220;And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Here’s one teaser verse that, if taken literally, may be the most redeeming verse in the entire Bible. Thanks to Yeshua, or whoever authored it. I realize this leaves the door wide open for what “truth” may be…  and I’m happy to leave it at that.</span></p>
<p><strong>Worst Verses:</strong><br />
Genesis 19.4-8: &#8220;Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house… they called to Lot and said to him, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.’ But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, ‘Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with a man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like…’ &#8221; <span style="color: #0000ff;">At least these rapes aren’t condoned. Too bad he gave up his daughters though.</span></p>
<p>Exodus 32.27-29 (NRSV): &#8220;He said to them, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, “…each of you kill your brother, your friend, and your neighbor.” ’ The sons of Levi did as Moses commanded, and about three thousand of the people fell on that day. Moses said, ‘Today you have ordained yourselves for the service of the Lord, each one at the cost of a son or a brother, and so have brought a blessing on yourselves this day.’&#8221; <span style="color: #0000ff;"> Killing others in the name of God. Thankfully ministers are not ordained in this way today.</span></p>
<p>1 Samuel 15.2-3 (NRSV): &#8220;Thus says the Lord of hosts, &#8216;I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.&#8217;&#8221; <span style="color: #0000ff;">Genocide in obedience to God.</span></p>
<p>1 Samuel 15.33 (ESV): &#8220;And Samuel said, &#8216;As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women.&#8217; And Samuel hacked Agag to pieces before the LORD in Gilgal. &#8221; <span style="color: #0000ff;">This one is so disgusting that even the International Bible Society (owners of the NIV) decided to leave out the “hacked…to pieces part” and softened it considerably with simply “put…to death.”  Reminds me of a recent story about an Iraqi father “cleaning his honor” by stabbing his teenage daughter to death from head to foot for being friend swith a British soldier.  Read the NIV version to see how even Bible publishers want to soften the unethical deeds in the Bible.</span></p>
<p>2 Kings 2.23-24 (NKJV): &#8220;Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Balding folk may appreciate this one, but this is certainly a tough way to handle wayward youth…</span></p>
<p>Ezekiel 28.23 (NIV): &#8220;I will send a plague upon her and make blood flow in her streets.  The slain will fall within her, with the sword against her on every side.  Then they will know that I am the LORD.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;">So the LORD wants to be known by plagues and rivers of blood?  This is another good example of what I call “Scary God.”</span></p>
<p>Hosea 10.14 (NKJV): &#8220;Therefore tumult shall arise among your people, and all your fortresses shall be plundered as Shalman plundered Beth Arbel in the day of battle—a mother dashed in pieces upon her children. <span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;</span> So God is really targeting the children again and now throwing in their mothers!  Chopping people to pieces…  God’s no greenhorn at this.</span></p>
<p><strong>What is your favorite verse in the Bible? Why is it inspiring to you? What verse(s) would you add to Steve’s “Worst” list? Why?</strong><br />
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		<title>You Can&#8217;t Ride Two Donkeys With One Ass: Saul and Spiritual Rebirth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #22 Ever since I was introduced to the word &#8220;liminal,&#8221; I have claimed it as my own. This word describes a threshold or a transitional position &#8212; a balancing point between two states of being. For many years I have felt poised on the threshold between two totally different ways of viewing the world. One is scientific and rational. The other is a place where angels materialize and shake your hand, where dreams have meaning, where God&#8217;s words come out of men&#8217;s mouths when they lay their hands on your head. Many members of the Church seem easily able to slip between both of these worlds. But I see a fundamental difference between the two world views. In the naturalistic view of the universe, events do not violate natural laws and are subject to the principles of empirical investigation. In the mystical view, divine intervention is possible outside of natural law. Striving to make sense of my world has been like trying to ride two donkeys with one ass. I often feel quite schizophrenic for even making the attempt. I do it because I feel like both paradigms are equally valid and I can&#8217;t imagine jumping off [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #22</strong></big></p>
<p>Ever since I was introduced to the word &#8220;liminal,&#8221; I have claimed it as my own.  This word describes a threshold or a transitional position &#8212; a balancing point between two states of being.  For many years I have felt poised on the threshold between two totally different ways of viewing the world. One is scientific and rational.  The other is a place where angels materialize and shake your hand, where dreams have meaning, where God&#8217;s words come out of men&#8217;s mouths when they lay their hands on your head.<span id="more-11625"></span> Many members of the Church seem easily able to slip between both of these worlds.  But I see a fundamental difference between the two world views.  In the naturalistic view of the universe, events do not violate natural laws and are subject to the principles of empirical investigation.  In the mystical view, divine intervention is possible outside of natural law.</p>
<p>Striving to make sense of my world has been like trying to ride two donkeys with one ass. I often feel quite schizophrenic for even making the attempt. I do it because I feel like both paradigms are equally valid and I can&#8217;t imagine jumping off on one side or the other and excising a vital part of my being. But living a double life makes me feel uncomfortable around everyone. For example, when I am with a certain group of Mormons I can&#8217;t fathom why they don&#8217;t realize that the founder of their Church took the temple ceremony largely from Masonry, a tradition whose roots are not as ancient as some suppose.  Then when I am with another group of my LDS friends I feel equally out of place because I recognize some sort of cosmic connection to the Infinite which occurs at these mystical points of ascent.</p>
<p>Liminality in my life is reading the RS/PH handbook at home and critiquing it from a secular/humanist perspective; then later in Church giving that same lesson from a mystical worldview, and feeling some Greater Power assisting me to articulate the principles. Afterwards I feel dizzy and disoriented.  Am I leading people astray?  Was that a real experience or just my emotions or hormones coming into play?</p>
<p>This week&#8217;s <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=86c3c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">SS lesson</a> is centered around the heart; and the story of Saul, Israel&#8217;s proto-monarch, is a perfect place to start for someone who is not quite sure of the state of hers.</p>
<p>To begin with, it is possible that in the course of Biblical transmission, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1RNNN_enUS351US351&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=saul+samuel+birth+narrative">Saul&#8217;s birth narrative</a> was dispossessed by another.  Biblical scholars have noted that the wordplay in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/1_sam/1">1 Samuel 1</a> works best when applied to Saul&#8217;s name, but this has been replaced by Samuel.  In Hebrew, &#8220;Saul&#8221; can mean &#8220;petition,&#8221; &#8220;request,&#8221; or &#8220;thing given.&#8221;  Thus verse 20 may have originally read:</p>
<blockquote><p>And she named him Saul, saying, &#8220;Because I have &#8216;sauled&#8217; him (requested him) from YHWH.</p></blockquote>
<p>The etymology is carried through in verses 17, 20, 27, and 28.  But for a variety of reasons, the birth narrative has been transferred to the prophet Samuel.  Was it Saul, rather than Samuel, who was dedicated to the Lord by his mother?  Was it Saul who was divinely appointed and raised?</p>
<p>The reader next encounters Saul in a narrative of spiritual rebirth.  Saul is searching for lost donkeys, and ends up visiting Samuel.  This prophet anoints Saul and tells him that the Lord&#8217;s Spirit shall come upon him, he shall prophesy, and he will be &#8220;turned into another man.&#8221; That day, &#8220;God gave him another heart.&#8221;  The significance of this regeneration which seems so obvious when reading chapter 10 is actually hotly debated in Christian circles.</p>
<p>&#8220;Was Saul saved?&#8221;  evangelicals wonder.  They point to later actions and speculate whether his heart had really been changed.  I confess that Saul&#8217;s <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_sam/13">actions at Gilgal</a> seem defensible to me.  The Lord had commanded that burnt offerings be made before going into battle.  Saul had gathered his army and the Philistines were threatening.  Saul waited the agreed-upon seven days for Samuel, but he didn&#8217;t show.  The Israelite army was beginning to scatter.  So Saul went ahead and performed the sacrifice.  What a conundrum he faced!  Should he wait for Samuel, and lose his army?  Should he go into battle without performing the sacrifice?  Or should he offer the sacrifice himself, without the necessary authority?  Doubtless I would have made the same choice Saul did.  But we are told that his heart was in the wrong place &#8212; that &#8220;obedience is better than sacrifice&#8221; &#8212; and that at this point his kingdom was lost and given to another.</p>
<p>This was a pivotal moment for Saul, and through the rest of his life he wavered between acts of anger and rebellion, and heartfelt repentance.  The mental distress he experienced is anguishing.</p>
<p>Saul strikes me as a man trying to ride two donkeys, and I have the greatest compassion for him.  I&#8217;d like to end this post with a poem by John Donne which I can envision coming from my mouth, and from Saul&#8217;s.  It&#8217;s a  lament from a soul which recognizes the pull of the profane and natural man, yet longs for a mystical union with the Divine.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>Holy Sonnet XIV</strong></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Batter my heart, three person&#8217;d God; for, you</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">As yet but knocke, breathe, shine, and seeke to mend;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">That I may rise, and stand, o&#8217;erthrow mee,&#8217;and bend</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Your force, to breake, blowe, burn and make me new.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/saul-and-david.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-11630" style="margin-left: 50px; margin-right: 50px;" title="saul and david" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/saul-and-david.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a>I, like an usurpt towne, to&#8217;another due,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Labour to&#8217;admit you, but Oh, to no end,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Reason your viceroy in mee, mee should defend,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">But is captiv&#8217;d, and proves weake or untrue.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Yet dearely&#8217;I love you,&#8217;and would be loved faine,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">But am betroth&#8217;d unto your enemie:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Divorce mee,&#8217;untie, or breake that knot againe;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Take mee to you, imprison mee, for I</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Except you&#8217;enthrall mee, never shall be free,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Nor ever chast, except you ravish mee.</p>
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		<title>Binding the Broken-Hearted</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 06:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing is more painful than a broken heart. When this kind of sorrow gets deep into a person’s soul, all troubles are magnified, blessings are unseen, and it seems almost impossible to bear the daily experience of life. Getting out of bed is misery. Living is torment. A broken heart can cause such an intense reaction that many of us feel our lives have been completely stripped of meaning. Jobs, hobbies, and friends no longer hold any joy for us. In fact, some even experience physical pain with a tight chest, nervous stomach, or terrible insomnia. Nobody understands a broken heart but one whose heart has been broken. I can think of nothing sadder than someone whose heart is broken. When someone has been disappointed and broken, it affects all of his or her relationships. A broken heart could just be the cause of that cutting remark someone made to you, or even the rude gesture someone made out of a car window.  There&#8217;s a passage in the Old Testament that really comforts me when I am feeling the weight of loneliness and sorrow that sometimes comes over me.  It also comes to mind when I&#8217;m wondering how I can [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/small-heart.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-11362" title="small heart" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/small-heart.jpg" alt="" width="74" height="100" /></a>Nothing is more painful than a broken heart.  When this kind of sorrow gets deep into a person’s soul, all troubles are magnified, blessings are unseen, and it seems almost impossible to bear the daily experience of life. Getting out of bed is misery. Living is torment. A broken heart can cause such an intense reaction that many of us feel our lives have been completely stripped of meaning. Jobs, hobbies, and friends no longer hold any joy for us. In fact, some even experience physical pain with a tight chest, nervous stomach, or terrible insomnia.  Nobody understands a broken heart but one whose heart has been broken. I can think of nothing sadder than someone whose heart is broken.<span id="more-11360"></span></p>
<p>When someone has been disappointed and broken, it affects all of his or her relationships.  A broken heart could just be the cause of that cutting remark someone made to you, or even the rude gesture someone made out of a car window.  There&#8217;s a passage in the Old Testament that really comforts me when I am feeling the weight of loneliness and sorrow that sometimes comes over me.  It also comes to mind when I&#8217;m wondering how I can possibly make a difference in someone&#8217;s life who is hurting so badly.  Here&#8217;s my poetic interpretation of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=isaiah+61:1-3&amp;do=Search">Isaiah 61:1-3</a>:</p>
<p>He hath sent me to bind up the broken,<br />
To cry to the captives: Behold, ye are free!<br />
&#8216;Tis the year of Jehovah&#8217;s good graces<br />
Then eyes that are fettered, at last they shall see.<br />
Day of our God&#8217;s just avenging:<br />
All mourners in Zion shall comforted be.</p>
<p>I shall give to them beauty for ashes,<br />
The oil of rejoicing in place of pain,<br />
The garment of praise for sad spirit;<br />
That strong trees of righteousness they might remain.<br />
Oaks of Jehovah&#8217;s own planting,<br />
That ever may be for His glory and gain!<br />
(BiV&#8217;s Isaiah 61:1-3)</p>
<p>In the Garden of Eden narrative, we are taught that there is an opposite to everything.  Joy and sorrow are opposites, so are pleasure and pain. When Adam and Eve partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, their eyes were opened and they were able to experience all of these things.  In the Isaiah passage above, it speaks of eyes being opened through the experiencing of some of these opposites: beauty/ashes, rejoicing/pain, praise/sadness.  These figures show us the value of living in a world where suffering exists.  A broken heart opens us to insights that we wouldn&#8217;t be able to see without it.</p>
<p>The Messiah figure in this passage also opens us up to embrace dependence.  I think humans have a tendency to adulate self-reliance.  With this comes pride and even solitude.  As we become more open to dependence &#8212; on Divine guidance, on a Savior and on each other, we learn love and community.  These are things which can heal the brokenness that is a part of living in a fallen world.  Isaiah 61 is a Messianic prophecy which teaches of a Savior who is sent forth by God&#8217;s spirit to replace pain with rejoicing, to give beauty for ashes.  But it also teaches us that we can go forth in the same spirit to bind up the broken.</p>
<p>I heard a story about a young man who proclaimed to have the most beautiful, flawless heart. As the crowd watched, he bared his chest to show a shining, golden, perfectly shaped heart.  Then an old man challenged him.  He came forward to show the crowd what his heart looked like.  It was beating strongly, but was misshapen and full of holes and scars.  It appeared that some pieces had been removed and others had been put in, but didn’t fit quite right. The old man looked at the young man, “I would never trade my heart for yours. Every scar represents a person I’ve given my love &#8212; I tear out a piece and give it to them. Sometimes they give me a piece of their broken heart, which I fit along jagged edges. When the person doesn’t return my love, a painful gouge is left. Those gouges stay open, reminding me that I love these people too. Perhaps someday they will return and fill that space.”</p>
<p>Over the years, my heart has come to resemble that old man&#8217;s.  What a Messiah means to me is recognizing this connectedness and interdependence.  It is knowing I am not as complete with a golden flawless heart that has never felt the great wrenchings.  It is opening myself to love and sorrow and rejection and recognizing that I can&#8217;t do it all on my own.  And then it is doing my best to give others a piece of my heart to help heal theirs.</p>
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		<title>Questions About the Exodus</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 07:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For more than 1700 years, Christians have been looking for Mount Sinai, the place where Moses received the 10 Commandments.  Constantine’s mother, Helena was probably the first Christian in search of Christian artifacts in the 4th century.  When Christians came across a strange-looking bush at the base of a mountain on the Sinai Peninsula, they erected a monastery claiming that they had found Mount Sinai.  The monastery still exists today, and you can walk the steps that these early Christians have claimed as the real Mount Sinai. During Passover celebrations in 2001, Rabbi David Wolpe created international headlines in Israel by proclaiming to his Jewish congregation in Los Angeles, “the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all.&#8221;  Some have stated this even more strongly.  Prof Philip Davies, University of Sheffield, “When it comes to the Exodus, we have no evidence that it happened, and a good deal of evidence that it didn’t.  They made it up.” Since that famous (infamous) sermon in 2001, Wolpe has gone on to soften his words a bit.  In March 2010, he said it was possible that a small group of people left Egypt, came [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more than 1700 years, Christians have been looking for Mount   Sinai, the place where Moses received the 10 Commandments.    Constantine’s mother, Helena was probably the first Christian in search   of Christian artifacts in the 4<sup>th</sup> century.  <img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />When  Christians came across a strange-looking bush at the base  of a mountain  on the Sinai Peninsula, they erected a monastery claiming  that they had  found Mount Sinai.  The monastery still exists today,  and you can walk  the steps that these early Christians have claimed as  the real Mount  Sinai.</p>
<p>During Passover celebrations in 2001, Rabbi David Wolpe created   international headlines in Israel by proclaiming to his Jewish   congregation in Los Angeles, “the way the Bible describes the Exodus is   not the way it happened, if it happened at all.&#8221;  Some have stated this even more strongly.  <span style="color: #800080;">Prof  Philip Davies, University of Sheffield, “When it comes to the  Exodus,  we have no evidence that it happened, and a good deal of  evidence that  it didn’t.  They made it up.”</span></p>
<p><span id="more-11148"></span>Since that famous (infamous) sermon in 2001, Wolpe has gone on to   soften his words a bit.  In March 2010, he said it was possible that a   small group of people left Egypt, came to Canaan, and influenced the   native Canaanites.  Even skeptics admit there could be something to the   story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve combined three different videos to look for scientific explanations for the Exodus.  I’ll color code these quotes so you know which videos these  quotes come from.   The videos are <span style="color: #800080;">Science of the Exodus</span>, by  National Geographic; <span style="color: #ff6600;">Exodus Decoded</span>, by Simcha Jacobovici;  and <span style="color: #ff0000;">Exodus  Revealed</span>, by Discovery Media Group.  What I found interesting was the fact that there were many  similarities among the 3 videos.  The same experts and evidence often appeared in multiple  videos, yet often different conclusions were provided.  It reminds me of  the debate concerning Book of Mormon evidence.</p>
<p>So, let’s talk about some of the biggest questions concerning the  Exodus.</p>
<p><strong>The Burning Bush.</strong></p>
<p>The Bible says that God spoke to Moses in the form of a burning bush  that was not consumed.  As mentioned previously, a strange bush was  found at the base of the traditional Mount Sinai.  Is there another  explanation for this burning bush?  Colin Humphreys has an explanation  for a burning bush, involving real fire.  As we all know, oil and  natural gas are prevalent in the Middle East.  Humphreys believes the  Acacia Bush is an ideal candidate for the Burning Bush.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">“The  most common bush in the desert is the acacia bush, and we know that if  you burn an acacia bush you get charcoal.”</span></p>
<p>The Acacia Bush maintains it’s shape and turns to charcoal.  He gives  a demonstration using a natural gas barbecue grill and an acacia bush.   The bush maintains it’s shape, even though flames shoot through the  bush.</p>
<p><strong>When did the Exodus Happen?</strong></p>
<p>There are two main theories:  the Early Exodus Period, and the Late  Exodus Period.  Supporters of the Early Period point to 1 Kings 6:1,  “Now it came about in the four hundred and eightieth year after the  sons of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of  Solomon’s reign over Israel…that he began to build the house of the  Lord.”  Most historians put the Temple of Solomon at 965 BC.  This would  put the Exodus at approximately 1445 BC.</p>
<p>Pharoah Thutmoses I reigned from 1525-1512 BC.  Scholars have  speculated that his daughter Hatshepsut may have rescued Moses from the  Nile.  She served as Pharoah from 1503-1482 BC, and battled with her  stepson Thutmoses III (1504-1450 BC) for control of Egypt.  Thutmoses  III eventually removed nearly all traces of Hatshepsut’s monuments.   Thutmoses III death in 1450 coincides well with the date of this Early  Exodus time period.</p>
<p>Supporters of the late period refer to Exodus 1:11, “And they built  for Pharoah store cities, Pithom and Ramses.”  Ramses II seems to be the  most likely Pharaoh.  He lived 1290-1224 BC.  He moved the capital from  Thebes to the Nile Delta, and built a new city called Pi-Ramses.  Some  archaeologists have linked this city built on top of an ancient  Israelite city.</p>
<p>Simcha Jacobovici believes the date of Exodus may be earlier.  He  believes the eruption of the Santorini Volcano in 1500 BC may explain  many of the Biblical plagues.  The Egyptian name Ahmose means “brother  of Moses” in Hebrew—an interesting play on words.    At this time, Egypt  was ruled by a Semitic people called the Hyksos, people who were hated  by the Egyptians.  Since Joseph was of Semitic origins, this may have  helped him join the ranks of the Hyksos ruling class.  The Bible refers  to a pharaoh that “knew not Joseph.”</p>
<p>Egyptians have recorded and event called “the Hyksos Expulsion”  around 1500 BC.  Could it be the Israelites were expelled, rather than  left freely?  Perhaps it depends on who writes the history.</p>
<p><strong>Is there an Israelite presence in Egypt?</strong></p>
<p>In 1967 Professor Manfred Bietak, Chair of Egyptology at the  University of Vienna, discovered the ancient Egyptian capital of  Avaris.  It was the home to many ancient Egyptian pharaohs.  Some  believe the architecture of this city bears resemblance to later  Israelite/Canaanite architecture, but others, such as Simcha Jacobovici attribute Avaris to the Hyksos.  Avaris seems to be the oldest site in Egypt with non-Egyptian architecture.</p>
<p><strong>How can we explain the Plagues?</strong></p>
<p>The first plague, turning the Nile to blood has a few different  explanations.  Jacobovici believes an underground natural gas into the  Nile may have caused caused the waters to turn red and kill all the  fish.  Two lakes in Cameroon turned blood red in 1984 and 1986.   Epidemiologist John Marr believes microscopic algae may have turned the  Nile blood red.  In 1995, a coastal river in North Carolina turned  bright red due to an algae bloom.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Marr,  “Wisteria was labeled the cell from hell because it killed millions if  not billions of fish.  If that occurred in North Carolina in the 1990’s,  why couldn’t it have occurred in Egypt 3000 years ago?”</span></p>
<p>Plagues 2-6 deal with frogs, and insect plagues, and all 3 videos have similar explanations.  I presented Jacobovici’s position on the plagues in my <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/">previous   post</a> .  National Geographic (NG) had similar explanations for   plagues 2-6 dealing with insects and frogs.  NG even interviewed several   entomologists and epidemiologists to further pin down the actual types   of bugs most likely in these infestations.</p>
<p><strong>How were the Firstborn killed?</strong></p>
<p>The last plague has some interesting interpretations too.  Moses  prophesied that the firstborn of Egypt would all die, and the Israelites  would be spared if they put lamb’s blood on their doorposts.  The  Destroying Angel would “pass over” homes with lamb’s blood.  So, how can  scientists explain such a selective mode of death?  Some believe the  Firstborn is metaphorical.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Epidemiologist  Martin Blaser of NYU, “There is no disease that we know of that just  affects the firstborns, so I take that it’s a metaphor for a disease  that kills one out of every 3 or 4 people.” </span> Blaser thinks bubonic plague may have been the culprit, because it  affects both animals and humans.  Eric Cline of George Washington  believes the plagues could refer to a “Sea People” that attacked Egypt.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Cline,  “The attack of the Sea Peoples was probably the Egyptians worst  nightmare.  They are the fiercest warriors that the Egyptians have  faced, and the Egyptians tell us that everybody went down in the face of  these sea peoples.  Only the Egyptians were able to stand, and even  that was a Pyrrhic victory because the Egyptians were so weakened that  they were never the same again.”</span></p>
<p>Others believe the death of the firstborn may have been more  literal.  Epidemiologist John Marr recently investigated the mysterious  death of children that was due to a mold.  He postulated that following  the plagues of locusts and hail, much of the grain in Egypt would have  been moist and in short supply.</p>
<p>Jacobovici has another theory for the selective deaths during this  final plague.  He points to a volcanic eruption that killed thousands in <span style="color: #ff9900;">&#8220;1986 at Lake Nyos, Cameroon.  On the fateful  night of August 21, the villagers at Nyos went to sleep.  They couldn’t  have known that the carbon dioxide gas which had turned the lake blood  red, was now reaching a critical point.  As the people of Lake Nyos  slept, the top of the lake was keeping the carbon down like a cap in a  pop bottle.  But then the earth rumbled, and a landslide took place  sending rock into the water, disturbing the surface pressure and  releasing the gas.  The gas then rose to the surface, and like some  alien monster, emerged from the water, droplets forming on it, turning  the invisible gas into a visible fog.  The fog then rolled across the  water, and across the land, suffocating everything in its path.  And as  suddenly as it appeared, it disappeared, dissolving harmlessly into the  atmosphere.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">The  next day those who had been sleeping on higher ground woke up to find  some 1800 people dead, hundreds of cattle and small animals also dead,  all around there was deadly silence.</span></p>
<p><strong>How many people participated in the Exodus?</strong></p>
<p>The Bible says that 600,000 men left Egypt.  Adding women and  children would have increased the total number to 2.5 million people,  the size of modern-day Brooklyn, NY.  If the group were that large,  there should be some evidence somewhere in the wilderness.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Cline,  “if the Biblical numbers are correct, and you’ve got two and a half  million people wandering around for 40 years, I would want to find  entire landscapes denuded.  I’d want to find hundreds of sheep and goat  carcasses, the bones.  Even if they didn’t ask for directions wandering  for 40 years, there would be something.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">However, archaeologist Jim Hoffmeier of the Trinity Evangelical  Divinity School says the number is probably far fewer, due to a  mistranslation dating thousands of years.  The original Hebrew says  there were 600 elith.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Hoffmeier,  “The word elith can be translated 3 different ways:  it can be  translated thousand.  Elith can also be translated to the clan.  The  third option is that it’s a military unit, which I think is a more  plausible scenario.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">According  to Hoffmeier’s interpretation, instead of 600,000 men and their  families, there were as few as 5000.</span></p>
<p><strong>How did the Red Sea part?  Where did the Israelites cross?</strong></p>
<p>There are 4 main theories for the crossing of the Red Sea: an Eastern Egyptian sea, a  northern, central, and southern route.  Those supporting a northern  route point to volcanic activity to explain the parting of the Red Sea.  Geo-archaeologist  Floyd McCoy researches tsunamis at the University of Hawaii.  He says a  tsunami might have created a land passage for the Israelites across a  lagoon.</p>
<p>(1)  In addition to the Biblical mistranslation of elith, Hoffmeier   believes the Red Sea is a mistranslation, and the parting of the sea may   have occurred closer to home.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Hoffmeier,  “The Hebrew Yam Suf  literally means sea of reeds.  When the Greek  translators took the  Hebrew Yam Suf and translated it into Greek, they  translated it as Red  Sea instead of Reed Sea.  So we’ve been stuck with a  faulty translation  for over 2000 years.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Hoffmeier  has been working with Prof  Stephen O. Moshier, Geologist of Wheaton  College.  Together they have  pieces together satellite photos and  ancient maps to identify a sea of  reeds.  They’ve come up with Lake El  Balah, on the eastern border of  Egypt.  Jacobovici paints another  picture of this scenario.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">Hoffmeier,   “It’s an ancient lake that survived until the 1850’s.  When the Suez   Canal was put in, this ancient lake finally died.  Professor Manfred   Biatek after conducting a thorough study of this area, proposed that   this lake was known to the Egyptians as Ha Tufi, meaning the marshland,   the marshy sea.  And the word tuf, the Egyptian word for reeds is the   same word as suf in Hebrew.  So Yam Suf, he suggested, was a name   derived from this body of water.  Now it is called the El Balah Lake.”    [In Hebrew it means the lake where God devoured.]</span></p>
<p>(2)  Northern route proponents say that the Israelites would have crossed on the northern edge of the  Mediterranean Sea.  However, several Egyptian  military outposts have been found along a northern route into Israel  dating to the Exodus period.  Many believe the Israelites would have  avoided these military outposts when trying to leave Egypt.</p>
<p>(3)  Those who support a central route believe Moses and his followers  crossed an ancient frankincense trail across the central Sinai  Peninsula.  In his younger days, Moses killed an Egyptian while  defending a Hebrew slave.  The Bible says he fled to the land of Midian,  in Modern Day Saudi Arabia.  It is likely that Moses would have  followed the frankincense trail to Midian.  It is the shortest, most  direct route to Midian.  If Moses had made the trek before, it is likely  he would have followed it again.  Dr Lennart Moller of the Karolinska  Institute, Stockholm, Sweden refers to the Book of First Kings to support this theory.</p>
<p>(4)  Stephen  J. O’Meara, a Volcanologist with Volcano Watch International believes a southern route may be the best candidate.  Volcanoes are known to have erupted near the southern end of the Gulf of Aqaba.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">“Imagine the Jews, reaching this massive land bridge,  formed by lava.  Here we have earth being created before our eyes.  You  can see the lava flow going into the ocean on a new bench of land.  This  is a very highly unstable platform of land.  The bench will not last  for long.  This whole area can fall in just a matter of minutes.   Massive collapses have occurred here in Hawaii almost in the blink of an  eye.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">The  Red Sea forms part of the Great African Rift System.  The entire region  has an explosive volcanic history.</span></p>
<p><strong>Where is Mount Sinai?</strong></p>
<p>As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, there are several  proposed locations for Mount Sinai.  The traditional location is at the  southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula.  Tradition for this site goes back  to the 4<sup>th</sup> Century.  After Moses escaped to Midian, he found  the Burning Bush.</p>
<p>Many scholars believe that Mount Sinai is in the Land of Midian in  modern day Saudi Arabia.  Many European scholars believe Jabal al Lawz is the best  candidate for Mt Sinai.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Several  Jewish documents, some written several hundred years before Christian  traditions, locate the mountain of God in Midianite territory.  In 250  BC, a council of 70 Hebrew scholars translated the Hebrew Bible into  Greek for the first time.  Their translation of the Exodus account  presupposed that Mount Sinai stood in the Arabian Peninsula.  Three  centuries later, the Jewish philosopher Philo placed the mountain “east  of the Sinai Peninsula” and south of Palestine.  At the same time, the  apostle Paul, who was educated under the Rabbi Gamaliel, also located  Mount Sinai in Arabia (Galatians 4:25).</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kerkeslager,  “So Paul and Philo, when they used the word Arabia, they’re not  thinking of the Sinai Peninsula.  Once again, I think that point needs  to be emphasized very clearly.  In terminology, Arabia in the 1<sup>st</sup> century, Greek geographers usually had in mind the Arabian Peninsula.   That’s how that term is used.”</span></p>
<p>Others believe Mount Sinai is somewhere on the Sinai Peninsula.   Jacobovici discusses another possible location discovered by Prof Uzi  Avner.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">Holy  mountains in the desert are marked by ancient, open-air, rock  sanctuaries.  In this area there is only 1 mountain surrounded by  sanctuaries.  Today that mountain is called Jebel-Hashem el-Tarif.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">&#8230;Prof.  Uzi Avner, Arava Environmental Institute, Israel, “The Mountain is not  very high, only about 200 meters above the plateau, but it is very  conspicuous.  You can see it from a distance.  The unique point is that  it is surrounded by actually the largest concentration of open air  sanctuaries that we now today in the desert.”</span></p>
<p><strong>Conclusions?</strong></p>
<p>So, do we need to believe that any of these scenarios?  Both skeptics  and believers seem to agree that faith and science are two different  animals.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Hoffmeier,   “For people that have religious convictions, they don’t need proof.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Cornuke,   “it all boils down to, this is a supernatural event, and you can’t   explain it in any other way.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Ultimately,   the power of Exodus lies more in faith than in science.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Cooney,   “There’s no real scientific proof that the Exodus took place, but as a   Christian or as a Jew, you shouldn’t need scientific proof to be a   person of faith.  Faith doesn’t need to be scientifically proven, nor   should it be; it’s faith.”</span></p>
<p>Rabbi David Wolpe believes that the historicity of the events in the  Bible should not matter; faith is not determined by the same criteria as  empirical truth.  (If you&#8217;re interested further, I posted a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/04/11/questions-about-the-exodus/">longer version</a> at my blog.)</p>
<p>So, what do you think?  Does any of this convince you of the  historicity of the Exodus?  Do you think the Exodus is myth?</p>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non historical view of the Book of Mormon? My daughter Bethany and her friend Clare have recently gone to the Community of Christ Church. They enjoyed it and said the members were very open and friendly but the church at least here in the UK didn’t seem anything like our Brighamite version of the church. I understand that many of their high ranking members don’t view the book of Mormon as historical. Some members feel it&#8217;s historical; some feel it’s inspired, and some would like to see it jettisoned from the canon of scripture. I thought it was quite courageous of their leaders to consult with historians and look at the facts as they see them and to seek and follow what they felt was God’s will, doing all of this by common consent with the members in their church. One of their members Wayne Ham did a summary report (below) called Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History! But before you read his report please take the following quiz: [poll id="171"] [poll id="172"] [poll id="173"] [poll id="174"] [poll id="175"] Please [...]]]></description>
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<p>Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non historical view of the Book of Mormon?<span id="more-11020"></span></p>
<p>My daughter Bethany and her friend Clare have recently gone to the Community of Christ Church. They enjoyed it and said the members were very open and friendly but the church at least here in the UK didn’t seem anything like our Brighamite version of the church.</p>
<p>I understand that many of their high ranking members don’t view the book of Mormon as historical. Some members feel it&#8217;s historical; some feel it’s inspired, and some would like to see it jettisoned from the canon of scripture.</p>
<p>I thought it was quite courageous of their leaders to consult with historians and look at the facts as they see them and to seek and follow what they felt was God’s will, doing all of this by common consent with the members in their church.</p>
<p>One of their members Wayne Ham did a summary report (below) called <em>Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History!</em> But before you read his report please take the following quiz:</p>
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<p>Please read if you can all of Wayne Ham&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thecybercommunity.net/publish/stories.php?story=05/07/02/1025297">Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History </a>from the Community of  Christ Web Page.  Below are some selections from Ham&#8217;s paper which I highly recommend you read if you have the time:</p>
<blockquote><p>The origin and destiny of the [so-called] &#8220;Red Man&#8221; were among the chief topics for speculation and discussion on the early nineteenth century American frontier. The presence of many Indian burial mounds in the Great Lakes region was a constant source of curiosity for the settlers in that region. In 1823 Ethan Smith, a Vermont pastor, published a book entitled View of the Hebrews: or the Ten Tribes of Israel in America.</p>
<p>Those who received the Book of Mormon from the hands of eager missionaries were urged not only to assent to the narrative as a historical account of the Indians&#8217; ancestory, but also to accept the book as evidence that God had broken the silence of centuries to restore his church to the earth by means of a young prophet. Many of the early Latter Day Saint believers took an all-or-nothing approach.  If the Book of Mormon was true, the religion expounded by its author and proprietor was true also. If the book should ever prove to be false, all validity for the restoration movement would necessarily have to be disclaimed.</p>
<p>The book immediately attained a canonical status in the minds of the Latter Day Saints that made literal acceptance of it as the revelation of God to the ancient Americans a matter of faith. As far as church members were concerned, the book was impervious to any kind of critical investigation and judgment.</p>
<p>As modern historical and textual scholarship in the realm of biblical studies became increasing appreciated and influential at the grassroots level in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and thus known to some extent to Latter Day Saints, a defensive reaction set in among some church members, resulting in some stiff resistance to allowing the tools of this scholarship to be applied to the church&#8217;s understandings of the Book of Mormon. Thus Book of Mormon studies in the past have been characterized by polemics, apologetics, and amateur archaeological surveys whenever the concern has moved beyond merely exploring the intricate details of the very complex narrative of migrations, wars, and religious revivals among the Book of Mormon peoples.</p>
<p>Because the temper of our times is such that no movement nor institution nor book can forever remain impervious to the searchlight of scholarly inspection, out times demand that all the rudiments of religious faith be subjected to the scrutiny of reason and empirical research.</p>
<p>As the Book of Mormon is examined without any intention solely to amass data to support preconceived notions about it, certain problems concerning traditional understanding of the books stand out. These problems include:</p>
<p>1<strong>. The story of its coming forth</strong>. The actual events culminating in the publication of the book are, as of now, quite irrecoverable in that it is impossible to distill a unified account from all the primary and secondary reports.</p>
<p>2. <strong>Identifying the book&#8217;s narrative with a particular time and space</strong>. Extravagant claims about ancient American archaeology supporting the Book of Mormon have been made. Toltec, Mayan and even Aztec ruins, all of a comparatively late period, have been unfortunately identified with Book of Mormon peoples.</p>
<p>3, <strong>The book&#8217;s propensity for reflecting in detail the religious concerns of the American frontier</strong>. Alexander Campbell in 1831 pointed out that every major theological question of the frontier was covered in the Book of Mormon, including infant baptism, ordination and ministerial authority, the trinity, regeneration, the fall of man, the atonement, transubstantiation, fasting, penance, church government, religious experience, the general resurrection, eternal punishment, and even the burning question of Freemasonry, republican government and the rights of man.</p>
<p>4<strong>. The Christological perspective of the book</strong>. To some students of theology, it would appear that there is a marked incongruity between the Christ Event of the New Testament and the Christ Event of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>5. <strong>The book&#8217;s ethical implications, when viewed as universally binding upon all men</strong>. Some Latter Day Saints, in talking of the Book of Mormon as the &#8220;fullness of the gospel&#8221; (D. &amp; C. 17:2), believe that the book reveals the will of God more perfectly than any other resource we possess. Moreover they would assert that the transmission process involved in preserving and bringing forth the book would bypass many of the scribal errors to which the Bible was admittedly vulnerable.</p>
<p>6. <strong>The use of biblical scripture and ideas as sources</strong>. Several sizeable sections of the King James Version of the Bible are found in the Book of Mormon, including twenty-one chapters of Isaiah, the Sermon on the Mount, the Ten Commandments, Malachi 3 and 4, I Corinthians 12:1-11 and Acts 3:22-26. In addition to such full-fledged quotations, the Book of Mormon is replete with short biblical expressions. John Hyde counted 298 biblical snatches from the New Testament alone in the first 428 pages of the first edition of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>8<strong>. The matter of Book of Mormon anachronisms</strong>. Those who approach the Book of Mormon with the view of proving it to be essentially what it seems to claim to be–a record of the history of ancient Americans who lived between 2200 BC and AD 400–immediately find themselves having to deal with the problem of anachronisms.</p>
<p>9. <strong>The changes in the Book of Mormon</strong>. While the book itself confesses the possibility of errors, many claims concerning the verbal accuracy of the book have long been made by Book of Mormon adherents. Joseph Smith himself at one time state that &#8220;the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth.&#8221; Modern Microfilm Company of Salt Lake City has recently published a work documenting 3,913 changes in the Book of Mormon since its first printing.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusions.</strong> None of the above problems areas &#8220;disprove&#8221; the Book of Mormon. They do, however, raise some questions about our traditional understandings concerning the book. Perhaps for some church members answers to the questions raised in this article would seem to be readily available. For others, however, quick and easy answers will not solve the dilemma. Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non-literal view of the Book of Mormon, treating it as a non-historical treatise in much the same manner as modern critics view the books of Jonah, Ruth, Job, and Daniel in the Old Testament. Freed from some of the traditional hang-ups involved with having to accept unquestioningly the historicity of the Book of Mormon, these members could then read the book as a product of the Restoration movement in the nineteenth century, perhaps thus &#8220;enjoying&#8221; this fascinating piece of literature for the very first time.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>What the Golden Rule Does NOT Say: or, &#8220;Jesus wouldn&#8217;t recognize that rationalization.&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my monthly New Year&#8217;s Resolutions last year was taken from Matthew 7:9-12, a slight change in my original plan. (See here.) These verses state: Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. The wording of my resolution was: &#8220;Treat others how I want to be treated.&#8221; I want to make one point here about something I have heard over the years. It is something that has bothered me over time, and I want to state up front what I believe this verse does NOT say &#8211; what I believe is a classic case of &#8220;wresting&#8221; scriptures and creating meaning that never was intended. I have heard it said of old (*grin*) that we should treat others in whatever way [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my monthly New Year&#8217;s Resolutions last year was taken from <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/7/9-12#9"><span style="color: #199d55;">Matthew 7:9-12</span></a>, a slight change in my original plan. <a href="http://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-years-resolution-2009.html"><span style="color: #199d55;">(See here.)</span></a> These verses state:</p>
<blockquote><p>Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? <strong>Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them</strong>: for this is the law and the prophets.</p></blockquote>
<p>The wording of my resolution was:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Treat others how I want to be treated.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I want to make one point here about something I have heard over the years. It is something that has bothered me over time, and <strong>I want to state up front what I believe this verse does NOT say</strong> &#8211; what I believe is a classic case of &#8220;wresting&#8221; scriptures and creating meaning that never was intended.<span id="more-10839"></span></p>
<p>I have heard it said of old (*grin*) that we should treat others in whatever way will help them best. After all, this reasoning goes, deep down they really want whatever is best &#8211; so if we know what is best for someone, we should do all we can to help them see, recognize, understand and accept that which is best for them. This argument asserts that it&#8217;s better to treat someone how they &#8220;really&#8221; want to be treated (often subconsciously) than to treat them how they &#8220;think&#8221; they want to be treated &#8211; that I, as an enlightened individual, know what is best for them and, therefore, I, as an enlightened individual, should treat them as if they were in my shoes.</p>
<p>To try to say it differently, this approach to &#8220;do unto others as you would have them do unto you&#8221; is based on you placing yourself in their situation and transferring your own hopes and dreams and expectations on them. While this might sound reasonable and even praiseworthy at first glance, there are at least three problems with this approach that I can see immediately:</p>
<p>1) It is used often as a justification for aggressive action, pressure and even compulsion. At the most extreme, it allowed those in charge of the Inquisition to torture people into confessing non-existent sins &#8211; since those doing the torturing were convinced they only were doing what was best for the person being tortured by &#8220;cleansing&#8221; them of sin and freeing them for a more benevolent judgment in the afterlife. At a more common level, it is used to justify constant and inconsiderate preaching and attempts to convert others &#8211; unfortunately, even among our own membership. Again, the reasoning is, &#8220;If I didn&#8217;t have the Gospel in my life, I would want someone to preach it to me even if I didn&#8217;t want to hear it.&#8221;</p>
<p>2) It totally ignores and discounts the actual desires of the other person &#8211; and illustrates an arrogance that is couched in terms of love but, literally, is judgmental and condescending. In essence, it says, &#8220;I know better than you what you need, and I&#8217;m never going to quit trying to make you see that, no matter what you want.&#8221;</p>
<p>3) It simply isn&#8217;t what is commanded in these verses &#8211; to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.</p>
<p>I want to finish with that last point, and I want to do so by placing each reader in the shoes of an active member of the LDS Church &#8211; and focusing on the reaction of nearly every LDS member who has a friend, family member, acquaintance or stranger who disagrees with Mormonism, has left the LDS Church, believes Mormons are not Christian and/or is saddened at the thought of Mormons ending up in Hell. If that person really is sincere in his concern, and if she really thought that constant badgering might convince you of the error of your ways, would you appreciate her preaching at you every time you were together? Would you appreciate her non-attendance at your wedding reception, since she believes your sealing in the temple is a sham and not recognized by God? Would you appreciate her constant, subtle (or blatant) warnings about your eternal condemnation? Deep down, on a very practical level, what would you really, truly want from her &#8211; how would you want her to &#8220;do unto you&#8221;?</p>
<p>I submit that all of us, at the most basic level, want little more than acceptance and respect and love for who we actually are &#8211; recognition that we are capable of making our own decisions &#8211; friendship that is genuine and not tied to certain conditions &#8211; etc. In other words, we want to be treated as equals &#8211; as important &#8211; as valuable &#8211; as legitimate deciders of our own fate, <strong>and we want that for who we ARE, not for who others want us to be.<br />
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So, the next time you start to say something to someone else, ask yourself, &#8220;How would I respond if someone said that, in that way, to me?&#8221; The next time you start to write a blog comment, ask yourself, &#8220;How would I respond if someone wrote that, in that way, to me?&#8221;. The next time you start to react to someone in any way, ask yourself, &#8220;How would I respond if someone reacted that way to me?&#8221; In summary, ask yourself:</p>
<blockquote><p>How would I feel if someone &#8220;did that unto me&#8221;?</p></blockquote>
<p>If you would thank God for that person&#8217;s words or actions, in the actual circumstances of your real life, &#8220;do so unto others&#8221;. If you would not thank God (or if you would need to pray for forgiveness) for your reaction to that person&#8217;s words or actions, don&#8217;t &#8220;do so unto others&#8221;. Finally, if you really would understand this principle, take one entire day and analyze everything according to this standard:</p>
<blockquote><p>How would I feel if someone &#8220;did that unto me&#8221;?</p></blockquote>
<p>If we really focused on that question, I have no doubt we would stop doing and saying much of what we do and say &#8211; and start doing and saying many things we currently do not say and do.</p>
<p>That was my resulotion that month &#8211; to treat others more as I <strong>actually </strong>want them to treat me.</p>
<p><em>Thoughts?  What am I missing that would support or weaken this interpretation of the Golden Rule?</em></p>
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		<title>White and Delightsome or Pure and Delightsome? (Cognitive dissonance 2)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change. I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white. We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with. I guess I better get down to what [...]]]></description>
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<p>I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change.<span id="more-10643"></span></p>
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<p>I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white.</p>
<p>We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with.</p>
<p>I guess I better get down to what has caused my dissonance.   Here are some statements by the prophets about a Book of Mormon passage found in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+ne+30:6&amp;do=Search">2 Nephi 30:6</a> regarding a change Lamanites would experience if they embraced the Book of Mormon.  In every edition save one (1840), the words &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; were used.  In the 1981 edition, the editors reverted to the 1840 edition&#8217;s &#8220;pure and delightsome&#8221; wording.</p>
<p><strong>Prophet Statements</strong></p>
<p><strong>President Brigham Young </strong><br />
&#8220;You may inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines of this country are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation &#8230;When the Lord has a people, he makes covenants with them and gives unto them promises: then, if they transgress his law, change his ordinances, and break his covenants he has made with them, he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites and other portions of the house of Israel; but by-and-by they will become a white and delightsome people.&#8221; (Journal of Discourses 7:336)</p>
<p><strong>W.W. Phelps to Brigham Young quoting Joseph Smith: </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;It is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites that their posterity, may become white, delightsome and just.&#8217;&#8221; In the 8 December 1831 Ohio Star, Ezra Booth wrote of a revelation directing Mormon elders to marry with the &#8220;natives.&#8221; (Sunstone, November 1993, footnote #5, pg. 52)</p>
<p><strong>Apostle Spencer W. Kimball</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today&#8230;. The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl&#8211;sixteen&#8211;sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents&#8211;on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather&#8230;.These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.&#8221; (Apostle Elder Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967)</p>
<p><strong>2 Nephi 5:21</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 <strong>Nephi 2:12-15</strong> teaches that dark-skinned Lamanites who converted unto the Lord had their curse taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;White&#8221; versus &#8220;Pure&#8221; (Maxwell Institute)</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>According to the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon, Nephi, speaking of the latter-day restoration, discussed the future conversion of Lehi&#8217;s descendants: &#8220;And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people&#8221; (2 Nephi 30:6). In 1840 the Book of Mormon was &#8220;carefully revised by the translator,&#8221; Joseph Smith, and in that edition the expression &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; was changed to &#8220;pure and delightsome.&#8221; This change seems to reflect the Prophet&#8217;s concern that modern readers might misinterpret this passage as a reference to racial changes rather than to changes in righteousness. Possibly his sojourns in Ohio and Missouri had altered his perspective of the racial connotations of the term <em>white</em> in the contemporary United States, particularly among slaves and slaveholders. He may not have gained much understanding of this matter during his upbringing in New England and New York State, where slavery was not as common.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for subsequent Latter-day Saint interpreters, following the Prophet&#8217;s death the changes in the 1840 edition of the Book of Mormon were not carried over into subsequent printings, which were instead based on an edition prepared by the Twelve Apostles in Great Britain after a copy of an earlier edition. The apostles, being in England, were not familiar with the 1840 edition. Consequently, Latter-day Saints did not reap the benefit of the Prophet&#8217;s clarification until it was restored in the 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon.  Some critics have been fond of citing statements of earlier Latter-day Saint leaders, who once interpreted 2 Nephi 30:6 to mean that conversion leads to a change of skin color; however, to use such statements today is anachronistic at best and disingenuous at worst since these statements were all expressed previous to the 1981 correction and merely echo a misinterpretation of the Book of Mormon text rather than the authoritative text itself. Moreover, a change in Lamanite skin color was clearly never intended by the &#8220;white/pure and delightsome&#8221; passage that the Prophet Joseph modified because it does not refer to the Lamanites at all, but to the Nephites and Jews in the latter days who turn to Christ (see 2 Nephi 30:1—7).</p>
<p>But is the Prophet&#8217;s change from &#8220;white&#8221; to &#8220;pure&#8221; justified in the scriptural context? The answer is yes. The terms <em>white</em> and <em>pure</em> are used synonymously in Daniel 7:9, Revelation 15:6, and Doctrine and Covenants 110:3. They are also found together in a number of passages where they clearly refer to those who are purified and redeemed by Christ (Alma 5:24; 13:12; 32:42; Mormon 9:6; D&amp;C 20:6). Similarly, Mormon expressed the hope that the Nephites &#8220;may once again be a delightsome people&#8221; (Words of Mormon 1:8).</p></blockquote>
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<p>Where I have dissonance or questions</p>
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<li>Is from how I understand the Book of Mormon and statements of past prophets contradict our view of it being pure today.</li>
<li>There has been no church conference talk that I am aware of clarifying the teachings of the past prophets i.e. President Kimball white vs pure. Many members I would suggest aren’t clear on our past beliefs and our current progressive belief on pure.</li>
<li>If these were president Kimball’s own personal views why haven’t the church come out with a statement expounding on this?</li>
<li>As a church, are we resolute that this was a clarification of the word white &#8212; never meant to refer to a person with dark skin pigmentation who would turn white upon a conversion to the gospel; but referring to a cleaner state of heart? This hypothesis in my mind fails to make clear other passages in the Book of Mormon that still make a connection with &#8220;iniquity&#8221; and skin color. See, for example, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=2+ne+30:6&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=2+ne+5:21%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=">2 Nephi 5:21</a> as well as past prophet statements.</li>
<li>Why did it take God 140 years to clarify this misunderstanding?</li>
<li>If we quote what President Kimball said in 1967 conference would we be considered anachronistic today?</li>
<li>Is FARMS saying Apostle Kimball’s views are out of date , old fashioned, obsolete?</li>
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		<title>The God of the OT vs. the Golden Calf</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #14 Sometimes I have a hard time with the Jehovah of the Old Testament. I&#8217;m not always sure how much of the anger, retribution, and striking people dead for their sins came from Him, or from the interpretation of His will by the designated prophet. Take the Golden Calf story in Exodus 32, covered in SS Lesson #14. When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with the stone tablets in his hands and saw the people singing, dancing, and playing, he had a big fit. He threw the tablets down on the ground and broke them. He burnt the golden calf they had made and killed three thousand men. According to Joseph Smith, there went the ancient Hebrews&#8217; chance to have the ordinances of the Melchizedek Priesthood! I wonder what would have happened if Moses had been a little less vindictive on God&#8217;s behalf. I attempt to explore this scenario in the following poem: Your Golden Calf &#8212; And Mine With justice stern, No Moses, I &#8211; Descending from Mt. Sinai to decimate your golden calf. I&#8217;m not a prophet, sir, I laugh! But&#8230; tell me of your God, instead, This gold you&#8217;ve shaped, Your wine and [...]]]></description>
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<p>Sometimes I have a hard time with the Jehovah of the Old Testament.  I&#8217;m not always sure how much of the anger, retribution, and striking people dead for their sins came from Him, or from the interpretation of His will by the designated prophet.<span id="more-10390"></span></p>
<p>Take the Golden Calf story in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ex/32">Exodus 32</a>, covered in <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8a25c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">SS Lesson #14</a>.  When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with the stone tablets in his hands and saw the people singing, dancing, and playing, he had a big fit.  He threw the tablets down on the ground and broke them.  He burnt the golden calf they had made and killed three thousand men.  According to Joseph Smith, there went the ancient Hebrews&#8217; chance to have the ordinances of the Melchizedek Priesthood!</p>
<p>I wonder what would have happened if Moses had been a little less vindictive on God&#8217;s behalf.  I attempt to explore this scenario in the following poem:</p>
<p><big><strong><span style="color: #64679b;">Your Golden Calf &#8212; And Mine</span></strong></big></p>
<p><big><span style="color: #64679b;"> </span></big></p>
<p><big><span style="color: #64679b;">With justice stern,<br />
No Moses, I &#8211;<br />
Descending from Mt. Sinai to decimate your golden calf.<br />
I&#8217;m not a prophet, sir, I laugh!<br />
But&#8230; tell me of your God, instead,<br />
This gold you&#8217;ve shaped,<br />
Your wine and bread.<br />
How have you built it?<br />
What appeals to you?<br />
What myst&#8217;ries it reveals?<br />
Perhaps I&#8217;ll tell you of my climb up Sinai,<br />
How I saw divine phalanges shining in the sun,<br />
The glory of an Holy One.<br />
In safe discourse you&#8217;ll have me see<br />
The glorious opportunity your idol sends,<br />
To sing, to dance!<br />
While I, thus taught, have equal chance.<br />
This fraternal state we&#8217;re in tells you licentiousness and sin<br />
Is not the best way (generally) to show<br />
Religious ecstasy.<br />
Unveiled: my God, an image too &#8211;<br />
A mirror of my heart,<br />
A true reflection of the judgment there.<br />
If we&#8217;ll but fall in prostrate prayer,<br />
Each others&#8217; hearts will bleed to view &#8211;<br />
The sacred within me and you.</span></big></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://www.leeporterart.com/Exodus-GoldenCalf_lg.jpg" alt="" width="540" height="374" /></p>
<p>Do you think it was necessary for the Old Testament Jehovah to strike so many people dead for their sins?  The<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ex/32/27-28#27"> idolaters</a>, the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+sam+6:6-7&amp;do=Search">disobedient</a>, the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=num+11:1&amp;do=Search">complainers</a>, even the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=deut+7:1-2&amp;do=Search">people</a> who dwelt in the land of Canaan before the Israelites?  Why was it important then, and why doesn&#8217;t God kill the covenant people who are disobedient today?  How much of the violence of the Old Testament came from God, and how much can be attributed to the excesses of people who were acting in His name?  Did Moses shape a &#8220;golden calf&#8221; too?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #13 At a Passover Seder this week, President Barack Obama&#8217;s message to American Jews focused on social justice. Obama said that the message of the Exodus teaches of oppression to be fought and freedom to be won, and that we all have a responsibility to fight against suffering and discrimination wherever we find it. Some Jewish journalists discussing the remarks saw them as a veiled reprimand against Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory. Others heartily agreed that Jews should be particularly sensitive to oppression. The American Prospect&#8217;s Adam Serwer enthused: &#8220;I&#8217;ve viewed Passover as an opportunity not just to reflect on the historical oppression of my own people but on the suffering of others in the present day&#8230; Passover doesn&#8217;t exist merely for Jews to congratulate ourselves on our continued existence &#8212; although that is no mean feat. The reminder that we were once slaves in Egypt is meant to make us consider contemporary questions of justice&#8230; If you&#8217;re unable to take away from Passover an understanding of your own role as a Jew in fighting the injustice done to other people who do not also happen to be Jewish, the experience is meaningless.&#8221; It could be that [...]]]></description>
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<p>At a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us/politics/28seder.html">Passover Seder</a> this week, President Barack Obama&#8217;s message to American Jews focused on social justice.  Obama said that the message of the Exodus teaches of oppression to be fought and freedom to be won, and that we all have a responsibility to fight against suffering and discrimination wherever we find it.  Some Jewish journalists discussing the remarks saw them as a veiled reprimand against Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.  Others heartily agreed that Jews should be particularly sensitive to oppression.  The American Prospect&#8217;s <a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=03&amp;year=2010&amp;base_name=wingnuts_across_the_ocean">Adam Serwer</a> enthused:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve viewed Passover as an opportunity not just to reflect on the historical oppression of my own people but on the suffering of others in the present day&#8230; Passover doesn&#8217;t exist merely for Jews to congratulate ourselves on our continued existence &#8212; although that is no mean feat. The reminder that we were once slaves in Egypt is meant to make us consider contemporary questions of justice&#8230;  If you&#8217;re unable to take away from Passover an understanding of your own role as a Jew in fighting the injustice done to other people who do not also happen to be Jewish, the experience is meaningless.&#8221;<span id="more-10226"></span></p></blockquote>
<p>It could be that the symbolic elements of the Jewish Passover are more meaningful to Mormons than to any religious group outside the Jews themselves.  We recognize the emblems of the Seder to be representative of the Messiah who came in the incarnation of Jesus Christ.  The <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8ff3c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">lesson material</a> includes several connections between descriptions of the Passover in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ.  It was during a Passover seder that Jesus proclaimed that the meal represented Himself and that He was instituting the New Covenant, which is celebrated by Christians in the form of the sacrament of the Lord&#8217;s Supper.  Elder Jeffrey R. Holland admonished Latter-day Saints to view this sacrament as <em>our</em> passover, remembrance of <em>our</em> safety and deliverance and redemption.</p>
<p>In addition, Mormons experienced their own Exodus when they were led out of the boundaries of the United States by their &#8220;<a href="http://www.timelineindex.com/content/view/2758">American Moses</a>,&#8221; Brigham Young.  Leonard J. Arrington subtitled his biography of Young &#8220;American Moses,&#8221; explaining:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Brigham was the same sort of a leader as Moses in serving people for a long period of time, in achieving their goal of entering into a kingdom blessed by God&#8230; Brigham was something for us that Moses was for the people of Israel. He led his people figuratively and quite literally, and they survived because of that leadership and their faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>I do think the epic stories which identify the early Mormons and the children of Israel as a people persecuted for their religious convictions are meaningful. Obama&#8217;s exhortation to use this as a motivator to fight injustice rings true to my &#8220;Latter-day Israelite&#8221; heart.  And this is why I&#8217;ve identified so strongly with the plight of the FLDS men of the Yearning for Zion ranch in Texas who are now being sentenced for their plural marriages.  I don&#8217;t expect any of the readers here at Mormon Matters to agree with me on this.  But I&#8217;m sad that the justice system is sending hard-working, religiously-motivated men to prison, depriving their young wives and children of their loving care.  I often wonder why we, with the heritage we have of being misunderstood for our unusual marital practices, are not more sympathetic to the men who have been sentenced this month.  <img class="alignright" src="http://www.oag.state.tx.us/newspubs/releases/2008/072808jessop_merril.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="250" />In particular, I speak of Merril Leroy Jessop, who was sentenced March 19th to a 75-year prison sentence and $10,000 fine.  To me, this seems a clear case of religious discrimination and oppression. Jessop was accused of having sex with a girl who was 15 years old when he was 31 and already married. Even if you think these men are criminals who deserve to be punished and  these young women are victims, the sentence is excessive.  A <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_and_punishment">Wikipedia article</a> states that the average sentence for convicted rapists was 11.8 years, while the actual time served was 5.4 years. What sets this case apart from many other similar situations? The prosecution asked the jury to send a message to a collective group of people, to make the price so high to dissuade others from doing the same.  This is unconstitutional and in my eyes constitutes religious persecution.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to go on about this particular case &#8212; it&#8217;s only one example of what I see as injustice and oppression, and there are of course many more.  But I do appreciate President Obama&#8217;s invitation to connect Exodus and the Passover story with social justice.  I thought I&#8217;d share with you what&#8217;s going through my mind during this Passover week, and what I&#8217;ll be thinking of as LDS Sunday School classes comfortably discuss Moses.</p>
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		<title>What Dreams May Come</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #12 Whether dreams come from the unconscious mind or directly from God, they are valuable sources of revelation. Dreams can tell us important things about ourselves and our relationships that may remain veiled deep in the psyche if we are unskilled at interpreting the symbolic language from which they present. The great attainment of Joseph of Egypt and the message this scriptural character brings to readers of the Old Testament is the importance of developing an ability to decode symbolic dream messages and using them to integrate our conscious and subconscious knowledge. Joseph had a huge, almost megalomaniac faith in his interpretations of dreams.  Early in his life he risked the rebuke and envy of his father and brothers to describe to them the images of the sheaves and the sun, moon, and stars bowing down to him.  Later, when interpreting the dreams of the chief butler and baker, he attributed his interpretations to God, even though he had no evidence this was so.  His own dreams seemed refuted &#8212; far from bowing to him, his brothers sold him into Egypt and he had been cast into prison.  His confidence reminds me of Joseph Smith&#8217;s great intrepidity [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #12</strong></big></p>
<p>Whether dreams come from the unconscious mind or directly from God, they are valuable sources of revelation.  Dreams can tell us important things about ourselves and our relationships that may remain veiled deep in the psyche if we are unskilled at interpreting the symbolic language from which they present.  The great attainment of Joseph of Egypt and the message this scriptural character brings to readers of the Old Testament is the importance of developing an ability to decode symbolic dream messages and using them to integrate our conscious and subconscious knowledge.<span id="more-10181"></span></p>
<p>Joseph had a huge, almost megalomaniac faith in his interpretations of dreams.  Early in his life he risked the rebuke and envy of his father and brothers to describe to them the images of the sheaves and the sun, moon, and stars bowing down to him.  Later, when interpreting the dreams of the chief butler and baker, he attributed his interpretations to God, even though he had no evidence this was so.  His own dreams seemed refuted &#8212; far from bowing to him, his brothers sold him into Egypt and he had been cast into prison.  His confidence reminds me of Joseph Smith&#8217;s great intrepidity regarding his own visions:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;For I had seen a vision; I knew it and I knew that God knew it, and I could not deny it&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph Smith once said, after reading Foxe&#8217;s Book of the Martyrs, that he had &#8220;seen those martyrs, and they were honest, devoted followers of Christ, according to the light they possessed, and they will be saved&#8221;  He also saw in vision marchers in Zion&#8217;s Camp who had perished from cholera in Clay County, Missouri. He encouraged the survivors of that endeavor, saying, &#8220;Brethren, I have seen those men who died of the cholera in our camp; and the Lord knows, if I get a mansion as bright as theirs, I ask no more&#8221; .  He foresaw the struggles of the Saints in crossing the plains, their establishment in the Rocky Mountains, and the future condition of the Saints.  Of these and many other spiritual manifestations he remarked, &#8220;It is my meditation all the day &amp; more than my meat &amp; drink to know how I shall make the saints of God to comprehend the visions that roll like an overflowing surge, before my mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph of Egypt had this same certainty regarding communications from God through the medium of dreams.  When finally brought before Pharoah, he reiterated his assertion that certain dreams are communications from the Divine:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharoah twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.&#8221;</p>
<p>This assurance seems incredible when taken into account that his own early dream had also been repeated twice but not yet brought to pass.</p>
<p>Today we have varying degrees of confidence in the interpretation of our own spiritual experiences.  Some are unimpressed by the fleeting images that pass through their minds in a somnolent state.  But others become adept at the language of symbolism.  They confidently assign meanings to everything from dreams to emotional impressions, and use these to order their actions and their lives.  Psychologists have noted that people tend to dream in images that are familiar to them in their culture.  For example, Native Americans may dream about the spirits of animals and the world of nature, Catholics envision the Virgin Mary, Mormons have visitations involving the temple and their dead ancestors.  This can facilitate dream interpretation, but it can also obscure it, because the images are so familiar that we don&#8217;t look deeply at the meaning behind the symbol.  In our modern world, we have emphasized the logical mind so much that we have lost the sensitivity to understand primal and pictoral forms and symbols, even those with which we are well-versed.</p>
<p>Often our lesson manuals apply the scriptural stories to the modern audience, as was done in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7255c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 11</a>.  Here Joseph&#8217;s rejection of Potiphar&#8217;s wife is presented as an example for the righteous member to follow in avoiding moral transgression.  I am curious why, in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=a183c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 12</a>, although Joseph&#8217;s dreams play a prominent part in the lesson material, the class member is not encouraged to become more adept in interpreting dreams and visions or even to pay closer attention to unconscious symbolic messages.  Moving away from the esoteric, the manual broadly associates the scriptural passage in Genesis 40-41 with &#8220;talents,&#8221; and asks:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">How can we give proper acknowledgment to the Lord for our talents and gifts? (We can use them to glorify God and bless others, not for our own glory.)</p>
<p>In the early days of the Church Joseph Smith reprimanded some of the members for using messages from their dreams and visions improperly.  Do we fear this will happen if we freely encourage the widespread scrutiny of these types of unconscious messages?  What does this tell us about our confidence in recognizing inspiration from the Divine?</p>
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		<title>The Virgin and the Whore: Thinking Beyond Dinah and Potiphar&#8217;s Wife</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #11 Lesson 11 in the Old Testament manual employs several stories from Genesis 34-39 to develop the theme of sexual morality. Joseph&#8217;s actions embody the &#8220;Lord&#8217;s standards&#8221; for morality and are contrasted with the actions of Shechem, Reuben, and Judah. You may notice that the featured characters in the lesson are all male. What shall a woman do with a lesson like this? I think the idea is for women to identify with Joseph &#8212; to be virtuous when facing temptation. But Joseph is a man, his responses are male-oriented, and intentionally or not this approach will tend to render the women in your Sunday School classroom invisible.  Consideration of the female archetypes found within these chapters may yield some surprising insights. As feminists might point out, a patriarchal &#8220;virgin/whore&#8221; stereotype divides and traps women on one side or the other.  Yet this is how our lesson is developed with regard to the female characters.  Joseph&#8217;s encounter with the wife of Potiphar introduces us to &#8220;The Whore.&#8221;  This nameless woman casts her eyes upon Joseph, and day after day entreats him to lie with her.  In a final, dramatic scene, she grabs his clothing and tears it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #11</strong></big></p>
<p><a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7255c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 11</a> in the Old Testament manual employs several stories from <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/34">Genesis 34-39</a> to develop the theme of sexual morality. Joseph&#8217;s actions embody the &#8220;Lord&#8217;s standards&#8221; for morality and are contrasted with the actions of Shechem, Reuben, and Judah.  You may notice that the featured characters in the lesson are all male.  What shall a woman do with a lesson like this?  I think the idea is for women to identify with Joseph &#8212; to be virtuous when facing temptation.  But Joseph is a man, his responses are male-oriented, and intentionally or not this approach will tend to render the women in your Sunday School classroom invisible.  Consideration of the female archetypes found within these chapters may yield some surprising insights.<span id="more-9973"></span></p>
<p>As feminists might point out, a patriarchal &#8220;virgin/whore&#8221; stereotype divides and traps women on one side or the other.  Yet this is how our lesson is developed with regard to the female characters.  Joseph&#8217;s encounter with the wife of Potiphar introduces us to &#8220;The Whore.&#8221;  This nameless woman casts her eyes upon Joseph, and day after day entreats him to lie with her.  In a final, dramatic scene, she grabs his clothing and tears it from his body as he pulls away from her and runs off.  Then she lies and accuses him of trying to rape her.</p>
<p>In the next scriptural passage the lesson covers, we meet Dinah, &#8220;The Virgin.&#8221;  As with most archetypal women figures, Dinah is shadowed and one-dimensional.  She is described as a daughter and a sister to be protected and avenged by her father and brothers. She is &#8220;defiled&#8221; by Shechem, a young man of highborn status from a neighboring town.  We are not told how she feels about this lover, whose &#8220;soul clave unto [her]&#8221; and who desired to marry her.  The lesson material tells us that Shechem did not truly love Dinah, or else he would not have defiled her.  However, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/34">Genesis 34</a> describes his offer to pay any amount for a dowry, and his willingness to join with her people, submit to circumcision, and convince all of the men in his town to do the same. In my eyes he is a tragic and romantic figure.  I wish there was more information available about Dinah&#8217;s response to this man. But the lack of detail is necessary to preserve the asexual, archetypal element of the deflowered virgin in the story.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is an unconscious arrangement for the writers of this lesson to have placed these two bilateral female archetypes side by side in the lesson material, but if so, it is all the more significant.  Archetypes are elementary ideas stemming from the unconscious.  The danger in including only these two women in the lesson is that they are both powerless.  Dinah the virgin is a victim of a powerful male, and Mrs. Potiphar the whore is also rendered powerless by the virtuous Joseph who rejects her advances.  Males in the stories are shown as individuals with the ability and strength to choose and control their sexual and moral options.</p>
<p>One might feel constrained by the material on women available in the scriptures, however, there exists within these passages a third woman who might prove to be a foil to our figurative virgin and whore.  Let us examine the lessons taught by the actions of Tamar in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/38/1-30#1">Genesis 38</a>.  Tamar is conspicuously left out of the lesson manual, though this chapter is included as part of the scripture block.  Judah&#8217;s actions are briefly contrasted with the faithfulness of Joseph.  Going back to the scripture passage, we read that Judah chose Tamar to be the wife of his eldest son, Er.  When Er died, custom dictated that the next son, Onan would marry her and provide her with children.  Onan&#8217;s refusal to properly execute his responsibility resulted in his death, and the next son, Shelah, was not old enough to marry.  Judah told Tamar to go and live with her parents until Shelah was grown, and then promptly forgot or ignored the family&#8217;s responsibilities to the widow.  Several years later, Tamar conceived a plan to remind Judah of these things.</p>
<p><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Deut+25%3A5-10&amp;do=Search">Deuteronomy 25: 5-10</a> shows that the law was on her side, and Tamar could have reported Judah to the authorities, legally loosened Judah&#8217;s shoe, and spit in his face.  But she was smarter than that.  In contrast to the other women acknowledged in the lesson, Tamar deliberately used her sexuality to affect her destiny.  Despite the fact that she lived in a culture where women had little power or choice over their own circumstances, she seized her opportunities and was rewarded for so doing.  If we reduce this gospel lesson down to following or not following a strict standard of sexual morality, we miss the potent, powerful, and purposeful choice of Tamar to initiate sex with her father-in-law.  This choice is presented in the scriptures as a faithful action.  The nuance and meaning of the word &#8220;righteous&#8221; as Judah uses it to describe Tamar is very significant in understanding whether her actions were justified. The Hebrew word used is <em>tsadaq</em>, &#8220;to be just or righteous.&#8221; This word and its derivatives are used hundreds of times throughout the Old Testament. It is used to describe the righteousness of Noah (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=gen+7%3A1&amp;do=Search">Gen. 7:1</a>), the Law (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=deut+4%3A8&amp;do=Search">Deu. 4:8</a>), David (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=deut+4%3A8&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=1+sam+24%3A17%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=%0D%0A%0D%0A">1 Sam. 24:17</a>), and even Jehovah (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=1+sam+24%3A17&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=2+chr+12%3A6%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A">2 Chr. 12:6</a>). The meaning is thus: correct, right before God, or justified, in a very strong sense of the word righteous. Tamar was a woman of integrity who struck out in a creative though unorthodox way to fulfill her duty to herself and her family.  Her exploit resulted in twin sons, one of whom would continue the chosen lineage and become the progenitor of the Messiah.  Tamar is a complex human being and one of the few women in the scriptural record who is described in such a rich and nuanced manner.</p>
<p>What is more, the story of Tamar can be nicely dovetailed with a secondary message of Lesson 11, that class members &#8220;learn how to make all experiences and circumstances work together for their good.&#8221;  Surely Tamar deserves a prominent place in Lesson 11, wherever female members form part of the class population!  Don&#8217;t you agree?</p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" href="http://www.bible-art.info/images/Hans_Collaert_Antwerp_engraving_late_1500s_2.jpg"><img src="http://www.bible-art.info/images/Hans_Collaert_Antwerp_engraving_late_1500s_2.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="374" height="640" /></a></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">Engraving by Hans Collaert, Antwerp, late 1500&#8242;s.</div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">Tamar stands triumphant at the entrance of Enaim, on the road to Timanh. The staff and ring she holds signal that she has been successful in her mission to seduce Judah.  The man and woman (Tamar and Judah) in the background of the engraving suggest that coitus has already occurred &#8212; see also the neo-Latin inscription at the bottom of the image.  This engraving is unusual because it shows Tamar standing alone.  I like how it portrays her with power, a lack of regret or shame, and  a sense of mission completed!</div>
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		<title>Jacob&#8217;s Ladder: More on Faith Vs. Works</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/03/jacobs-ladder-more-on-faith-vs-works/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #10 Though it&#8217;s only an &#8220;additional teaching idea&#8221; in Lesson 12, Jacob&#8217;s ladder has captured my imagination due to some conversations I&#8217;ve recently had with Christian evangelicals. Jacob&#8217;s Dream woodcut, Lubeck Bible 1494 The theme of the ladder to heaven is often used by the Early Church Fathers. Their interpretations of Jacob&#8217;s symbolic dream in Genesis 28 are similar to those made by Mormon General Authorities. In the 2nd century, Saint Irenaeus described the Christian Church as the ladder of ascent to God. In the 3rd century Origen explained that there are two ladders in the Christian life; one of which is the ladder that the soul climbs on the earth increasing the virtues. In the 4th century Saint Gregory of Nazianzus spoke of ascending Jacob&#8217;s Ladder by successive steps towards excellence, interpreting thus the ladder as an ascetic path, while Saint Gregory of Nyssa wrote that Moses climbed on Jacob&#8217;s Ladder to reach the heavens where he entered the tabernacle not made with hands, thus giving to the Ladder a clear mystical meaning. The ascetic interpretation is found also in Saint John Chrysostom who wrote: &#8220;And so mounting as it were by steps, let us get [...]]]></description>
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<p>Though it&#8217;s only an &#8220;additional teaching idea&#8221; in<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=0545c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD"> Lesson 12</a>, Jacob&#8217;s ladder has captured my imagination due to some conversations I&#8217;ve recently had with Christian evangelicals.</p>
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<div style="text-align: center;"><small>Jacob&#8217;s Dream woodcut, Lubeck Bible 1494<span id="more-10028"></span></small></div>
<p>The theme of the ladder to heaven is often used by the Early Church Fathers. Their interpretations of Jacob&#8217;s symbolic dream in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/28/10-19#10">Genesis 28</a> are similar to those made by Mormon General Authorities. In the 2nd century, Saint Irenaeus described the Christian Church as the <em>ladder of ascent to God</em>. In the 3rd century Origen explained that there are two ladders in the Christian life; one of which is the  ladder that the soul climbs on the earth increasing the virtues. In the 4th century Saint Gregory of Nazianzus spoke of ascending Jacob&#8217;s Ladder by successive steps towards excellence, interpreting thus the ladder as an ascetic path, while Saint Gregory of Nyssa wrote that Moses climbed on Jacob&#8217;s Ladder to reach the heavens where he entered the tabernacle not made with hands, thus giving to the Ladder a clear mystical meaning. The ascetic interpretation is found also in Saint John Chrysostom who wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;And so mounting as it were by steps, let us get to heaven by a Jacob’s ladder. For the ladder seems to me to signify in a riddle by that vision the gradual ascent by means of virtue, by which it is possible for us to ascend from earth to heaven, not using material steps, but improvement and correction of manners.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The account of Jacob&#8217;s Ladder as an analogy for the spiritual ascetic of life is again found in the classical work <a class="mw-redirect" title="Ladder of Divine Ascent" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladder_of_Divine_Ascent">Ladder of Divine Ascent</a> by St. John Climacus. The ladder in Jacob&#8217;s dream represented a symbolic journey where each of the rungs suggest the steps needed to move upward. Man must climb up one level at a time as he participates in the saving principles and ordinances of the gospel offered by the Lord, who stands at the top. Notice how similar this description is to the quote by Marion G. Romney found in our lesson:</p>
<blockquote><p><big>“<span style="color: #003366;"><strong>Jacob realized that the covenants he made with the Lord … were the rungs on the ladder that he himself would have to climb in order to obtain the promised blessings—blessings that would entitle him to enter heaven and associate with the Lord</strong></span>”</big> (“<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=1c08945bd384b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">Temples—The Gates to Heaven</a>,” <em>Ensign,</em> Mar. 1971, 16).</p></blockquote>
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<span style="font-size: x-large;"><em style="color: #783f04;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;amp;amp;">L</span></em></span>ater Christian interpretation of Jacob&#8217;s ladder is quite different than the early Church fathers, and demonstrates the dichotomy of thought between evangelicals and Mormons on the faith and works issue. In this exegesis, Jesus is seen as being the reality to which the ladder points in that he bridges the gap between heaven and earth. According to Martin Luther, Jacob&#8217;s vision of the ladder represented the incarnation of Christ. In the Gospel of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=john+1%3A51&amp;do=Search">John 1:51</a> there is a clear reference to Jacob&#8217;s dream pointing towards Jesus Christ, referred to by his title of the Son of Man:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Adam Clarke, an early 19th century Methodist theologian and Bible scholar, elaborated upon this verse:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;That by the angels of God ascending and descending, is to be understood, that a perpetual intercourse should now be opened between heaven and earth, through the medium of Christ, who was God manifested in the flesh. Our blessed Lord is represented in his mediatorial capacity as the ambassador of God to men; and the angels ascending and descending upon the Son of Man, is a metaphor taken from the custom of dispatching couriers or messengers from the prince to his ambassador in a foreign court, and from the ambassador back to the prince.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In this one Biblical symbol we find differing schools of thought over the issue of salvation: One group views the ladder as a way to reach heaven based on their own actions of improvement and obedience to covenants and ordinances. The other group has access to heaven based on the provisions of God through the Mediator, Jesus Christ, who came to earth and became that ladder or stairway for the sinner to reconnect the relationship with God.</p>
<p>In pondering this issue in the past, I have lamented that such a rift exists between our two faith traditions. It often seems to me that we are closer than we think, and that grace and works are both important. Mormons, I explain, emphasize works so much because we fear that if we don&#8217;t, the sinner might lapse into laziness or indifference. Christians emphasize the grace aspect of the equation so that no one will mistakenly trust in legalism rather than the Savior for their salvation. Isn&#8217;t the truth a balance between <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/eph/2/4-9#4">Paul</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/james/2/14,17-18,20-22,24-26#14">James</a>? However, the evangelicals have labored hard to convince me that salvation must be accepted upon grace alone. Lately I&#8217;ve been pondering why I am reluctant to join them in their assurance. I&#8217;ve accepted Christ as my Savior, and it certainly would be a lot easier not to worry so much about whether I was paying my tithing, going to the temple regularly, or doing my visiting teaching. But here&#8217;s what holds me back: if Jesus offers me the grace they describe, then I&#8217;ll be OK whether I&#8217;m doing my works or not. But if the Mormon view turns out to be the more accurate description of the will of God for us, I need to be trying my hardest to do all of those works which are in my power.</p>
<p>Am I living my life based on fear rather than faith? Maybe. Will it count against me in the end?  I don&#8217;t see how it could.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your take on Jacob&#8217;s ladder? Do we walk up, or does God descend to meet us where we are? Can this scriptural metaphor be of any help to us in our faith journey?</p>
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		<title>Putting an Edge on Abraham</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #9 This story is so very, very familiar to us that I think it&#8217;s important to look at it with a fresh perspective.  So in this post I am including some pieces from media and the arts that force us to think about Genesis 22.  I promise you in advance that some of these might be disturbing to you.  Probably you will disagree with the portrayal of Abraham&#8217;s sacrifice in at least one, if not all, of these pieces.  I hope you will share your reactions in the comments. One of my favorite poems juxtaposes the story of Abraham with World War I.  The poet, Wilfred Owen, is a tragic figure himself, who was gunned down at age 25 just seven days before the Armistice on November 4, 1918.  This poem invites the reader to consider the effects of extreme religious devotion. The Parable of the Young Man and the Old Wilfred Owen So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went, And took the fire with him, and a knife. And as they sojourned, both of them together, Isaac the first-born spake, and said, My Father, Behold the preparations, fire and iron, But where the lamb [...]]]></description>
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<p>This story is so very, very familiar to us that I think it&#8217;s important to look at it with a fresh perspective.  So in this post I am including some pieces from media and the arts that force us to think about <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/22">Genesis 22</a>.  I promise you in advance that some of these might be disturbing to you.  Probably you will disagree with the portrayal of Abraham&#8217;s sacrifice in at least one, if not all, of these pieces.  I hope you will share your reactions in the comments.<span id="more-9927"></span></p>
<p>One of my favorite poems juxtaposes the story of Abraham with World War I.  The poet, Wilfred Owen, is a tragic figure himself, who was gunned down at age 25 just seven days before the Armistice on November 4, 1918.  This poem invites the reader to consider the effects of extreme religious devotion.</p>
<blockquote><p><big>The Parable of the Young Man and the Old</big><br />
<a href="http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/abraham/abraham.html">Wilfred Owen</a></p>
<p>So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,<br />
And took the fire with him, and a knife.<br />
And as they sojourned, both of them together,<br />
Isaac the first-born spake, and said, My Father,<br />
Behold the preparations, fire and iron,<br />
But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?<br />
Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps,<br />
And builded parapets the trenches there,<br />
And stretched forth the knife to slay his son.<br />
When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,<br />
Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,<br />
Neither do anything to him. Behold,<br />
A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;<br />
Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.<br />
But the old man would not so, but slew his son,<br />
And half the seed of Europe, one by one.</p></blockquote>
<p>The next bit of media comes from the BBC&#8217;s That Mitchell and Webb Look.  The parody pokes fun at believers whose religion keeps them from thinking for themselves:</p>
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<p>The image below is an etching entitled The Sacrifice of Abraham by Marc Chagall.   The same study was done as a watercolor, as an oil painting, and as a drawing in pastel and China ink.  Each has symbolic features which are not present in the others.  A review of the etching describes it as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p><a style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 5em;" href="http://www.franklinbowlesgallery.com/NY/Artists/Chagall/Pages/Etchings/bible/CHAG0726P_Plate_10.jpg"><img src="http://www.franklinbowlesgallery.com/NY/Artists/Chagall/Pages/Etchings/bible/CHAG0726P_Plate_10.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="310" height="400" /></a>&#8220;&#8230;the sacrifice of Abraham presents human drama as confrontation of two wills and two freedoms: that of the creator and his creature. Chagall&#8217;s rendering of this scene is of great subtlety. Using a mirror effect between the figures of Isaac and the angel, between Abraham&#8217;s posture and that of the heavenly messenger, he suggests complementarity and ultimate unity between heaven and earth. In the end, there will be no opposition between the faithful Abraham and his God, because there exists a perfect match between human obedience and divine mercy. The bound and naked Isaac is a symbol of extreme vulnerability and suggests acute sensitivity to the word of God. God answers in kind, rushing his angel in sudden descent to arrest the movement of Abraham&#8217;s knife. Thus, although bathed in an atmosphere of frightening proportions, the pictorial narrative speaks of two worlds reconciled by tender love. The latter, tender love, finds its artistic expression in the tiny white ram emerging from the thicket on the left. Too tiny for the giant knife, the ram is a reminder that God does not want sacrifices but love.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this type of yielding and vulnerable submission make you  more comfortable than the more fanatic type? Why or why not?</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s explore what would happen if Abraham did decide to think for himself &#8212; to take a critical look at what God was asking him to do. What if that were God&#8217;s purpose behind the lesson, after all? This short story comes from the<a href="http://b10mediaworx.com/b10mwx/bookstore/peculiar-pages/the-fob-bible"> Fob Bible</a>, which I own and I highly recommend.  It is called &#8220;Abraham&#8217;s Purgatory,&#8221; and was written by Ben Christensen.</p>
<p><big><a href="http://b10mediaworx.com/peculiarpages/fobbible/pppfobbible.htm#purgatory">Abraham&#8217;s Purgatory</a></big> (click to read)</p>
<p>I included the lithograph below by Salvador Dali because I think it is interesting how the Abraham and Isaac figures are so small and how the focus of the work is the angel.  It dominates the picture and brings to mind the sacred nature of the sacrificial story.  Dali&#8217;s angel is not an insipid, white robed choir boy.  We see the figure from the back and it is both awe-inspiring, unknowable, and a bit frightening.</p>
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<p>As you watch the following comedic sketch, ask yourself the question: &#8220;Is it easier to do something God asks if you want to do it anyway?&#8221;  How much personal interpretation comes into play when we are deciphering God&#8217;s will?</p>
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<p>Jewish Midrash suggests that it was difficult to dissuade Abraham from the act of sacrificial violence once he had decided to kill his son.  The Midrash reads: “…and he said: Lay not thy hand upon the lad. Where was the knife? Tears had fallen from the angels upon it and dissolved it.” It was the tears of the angels, not those of Abraham that dissolved the knife.  Yet, even after seeing the knife dissolve, Abraham is unconvinced and persists with the violence. “’Then I will strangle him,’ said he [Abraham] to Him. ‘Lay not thy hand upon the lad,’ was the reply. ‘Let us bring forth a drop of blood from him,’ he pleaded.” Abraham refuses to be deterred. His unaffected and immediate suggestion of an alternative method of sacrifice is shocking. Some may consider this to be steadfast piety, but the violent undertone stands in stark contrast with the Midrashim that emphasize piety over violence. After that method is refused, he then pleads if he may bring forth a drop of blood from his son. The use of the word “pleads” would lead one to assume that Abraham’s plea to G-d was an emotional one. The emotion, it seems, stems more so from an inability to sacrifice his son than from G-d’s request that the sacrifice be made.</p>
<p>The sculpture below by Berruguete is included for its portrayal of the human emotion on the faces of Abraham and Isaac.  You will probably hear in your Sunday School lesson the idea that Isaac was a youth in his prime at the time of the sacrifice, while Abraham was an old man.  This interpretation promotes the idea that Isaac was a willing participant in the act of submission to God.  The sculpture visually portrays this idea, picturing Isaac as a strong and virile young man, capable of wresting himself free from his bonds.  Though horrified and frightened, he is kneeling and complaisant.</p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">The Sacrifice of Isaac by Alonso Berruguete</div>
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<p>The final piece of media I would like to include for your consideration is a biblical canticle written by Benjamin Britten.  During this two-person opera, one singer assumes the role of Abraham while the other takes that of Isaac. Through the homophony of the two singers, God&#8217;s voice emerges as if it were a third solo singer.  The use of the older tenor and the younger alto voices in the vignette below to sing the words of God is very moving.</p>
<blockquote><p>GOD: Abraham, my servant, Abraham,<br />
Take Isaac, thy son by name,<br />
That thou lovest the best of all,<br />
And in sacrifice offer him to me<br />
Upon that hill there beside thee.</p>
<p>Abraham, I will that so it be,<br />
For aught that may befall.</p></blockquote>
<p>As they sing &#8220;Abraham,&#8221; the notes are first discordant, then resolve, aptly representing the theme of the story.</p>
<p>Abraham and Isaac by Benjamin Britten</p>
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<p>The story of Abraham and Isaac is a powerful one.  It is the most dramatic moment in the life of one of the most important of the Biblical prophets.  I think that its inclusion in the Bible is meant to be disturbing and to evoke turmoil and discomfort.  I hope that the Sunday School portrayal of this section of the scriptural record will not be too soft and fluffy.</p>
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		<title>Where the Lord Annihilates all the Gays</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #8 &#8220;The Genesis passage is very clear, that the sin of Sodom that brought on the destruction of the city was indeed linked to homosexuality.&#8221; (R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Seminary) &#8220;Saying that the last recorded acts of the Sodomites &#8212; the demands for same-gender sex &#8212; are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality is like saying that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards. Sodom was judged worthy of destruction before the incident with Lot and the angels.&#8221; (Inge Anderson, &#8220;Sins of Sodom&#8220;) One of the prominent themes in this week&#8217;s Sunday School lesson is the story of Lot and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. But in Christian thought there has been some controversy over how closely the story should be linked to homosexuality, as the quotes above indicate. There are several points that are up for grabs, and I&#8217;m not sure either side has a complete understanding yet. Read on, and let me know what you think! The background of the story should be taken into account as we try to figure out what is happening. In [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #8</strong></big></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #660000;">&#8220;The Genesis passage is very clear, that the sin of Sodom that brought on the destruction of the city was indeed linked to homosexuality.&#8221; </span>(R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Seminary)</p>
<p><span style="color: #660000;">&#8220;Saying that the last recorded acts of the Sodomites &#8212; the demands for same-gender sex &#8212; are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality is like saying that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards. Sodom was judged worthy of destruction before the incident with Lot and the angels.&#8221;</span> (Inge Anderson, &#8220;<a href="http://glow.cc/isa/sodom.htm"><em>Sins of Sodom</em></a>&#8220;)</p></blockquote>
<p>One of the prominent themes in this week&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b5f3c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD"> Sunday School lesson</a> is the story of Lot and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. But in Christian thought there has been some controversy over how closely the story should be linked to homosexuality, as the quotes above indicate. There are several points that are up for grabs, and I&#8217;m not sure either side has a complete understanding yet. Read on, and let me know what you think!<span id="more-9863"></span></p>
<p>The background of the story should be taken into account as we try to figure out what is happening. In <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/18">Genesis 18</a>, three angelic messengers visit Abraham to prophesy about the birth of his son and to warn of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. This is the part where Abraham shows his compassion by bargaining with the Lord for a stay of execution if there are 10 righteous people to be found in the city. The narrative shows that the destruction has already been decreed, even before Lot&#8217;s experience with the men of Sodom.</p>
<p>Next, the angels enter the city. That Lot meets them at the gate is significant. Though a resident alien, Lot is taking a turn guarding the walls. Sodom has been at war, and not surprisingly the inhabitants of the city are wary of visitors. The very night a <em>non-native</em> of the city is trusted to watch the gate (thus controlling traffic in and out), he lets two people that <em>nobody</em> knows into the city and what&#8217;s more <em>behind closed doors for the night in his house</em>! Certainly this raised some eyebrows and caused some suspicion. Soon the residents of Sodom &#8212; all the people, both young and old &#8212; have gathered outside of Lot&#8217;s house and are demanding that Lot bring the visitors out &#8220;that we may <em>know</em> them.&#8221;</p>
<p>The meaning of the Hebrew word <em>yada&#8217;</em> (to know) has engendered much of the controversy behind this story. The word has a euphemistic meaning (to engage in coitus). Of 943 times <em>yada&#8217;</em> is used in the Old Testament, only ten times is it used with a sexual connotation, and all of these are heterosexual coitus. Thus <a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/sometimes-a-cigar-is-just-a-cigar/">some have conjectured</a> that the townspeople were merely asking to know the credentials and intentions of strangers in their city. On the other hand, when <em>yada&#8217;</em> is used with a sexual meaning, a large number of those references occur within the book of Genesis. In fact, the word is used in a clearly euphemistic sense in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/19/8#8">Genesis 19:8</a>, just three verses after the reference in question.</p>
<p>The absolute sacredness of a guest was a principle well known in the Middle East. Lot wanted to protect his guests, and he refused to hand them over to the crowd. When the crowd insisted, he offered his two daughters as the most expedient diversion for a hostile situation. In the Joseph Smith Translation of these verses, it is suggested that Lot did not offer his daughters, but that the Sodomites demanded the girls as well as the visiting angels. But there is another story in the Bible which parallels the Genesis story. It is found in Judges <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=judges+19%3A13-27&amp;do=Search">19:13-27</a>. In this account, the house guest was a man, not an angel, and the master of the house offered his daughter and the man&#8217;s concubine to the mob. They accepted the concubine woman in place of the man, and raped her until she died. The city was destroyed &#8212; for heterosexual rape and violation of the law of hospitality. In spite of this very similar destruction of a city, no one condemns heterosexuality on the basis of this passage, but rather there is condemnation of rape.</p>
<p>This may indicate that the story of Sodom in Genesis has little to do with homosexuality and more to do with rampant, violent sex as well as irreverent attitudes regarding sex. Sodom’s primary sin was violence. The threat against the messengers and Lot’s daughters is a threat of sexual violence in which sexual orientation is irrelevant. The behavior of the people of Sodom wasn’t about attraction. It was about harming people as profoundly as they could. One might conclude that gang raping some guys is a pretty serious sin, no matter how you look at it. Making the sudden leap to compare them to committed monogomous gay couples, however, is outrageous and unfounded. There is no real similarity, and indeed, our modern Western view of &#8220;sexual orientation&#8221; did not exist in ancient Biblical times.</p>
<p>Another method of uncovering the meaning of the lesson of Sodom is by looking at how other Biblical passages interpret the story. Throughout the Old Testament, Sodom is held up as a lesson in wickedness that deserves utter destruction for reasons other than homosexual acts. Of the eighteen passages outside of the story itself found in Old Testament writings<strong> <em>none refer to same sex activity</em></strong>, and only one alludes to sexual immorality (namely, adultery). To cite a few examples of those found among the words of the Hebrew prophets, Isaiah (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Isaiah+1%3A1-17&amp;do=Search">1:1-17</a>; <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Isaiah+1%3A1-17&amp;do=Search">13:1-22</a>) refers to Sodom and Gomorrah to condemn general evil and injustice; Jeremiah (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=jer+23%3A9-15&amp;do=Search">23:9-15</a>), to general moral and ethical laxity. Ezekiel (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=ezekiel+16%3A46-56&amp;do=Search">16:46-56</a>) and Amos (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/amos/4/11#11">chapter 4</a>) condemn the kingdoms of Judah and Israel, more specifically, for neglecting the poor and needy.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Deuterocanonical books identify the sin as pride and inhospitality; in Wisdom 19:13-14, we read &#8220;&#8230;whereas the men of Sodom received not the strangers when they came among them.&#8221; In Ecclesiasticus 16:8 the sin is recognized as pride. In the New Testament, too, there is reference to Sodom&#8217;s sins: In <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=matt+10%3A14-15&amp;do=Search">Matthew 10:14-15</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=luke+10%3A10-13&amp;do=Search">Luke 10:10-13</a>, Jesus implied that the sin of the people of Sodom was to be inhospitable and to reject the words of the gospel messengers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not until the very late books of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_pet/2/6-7#6">2 Peter 2</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jude/1/7#7">Jude 6</a>, that &#8220;sexual immorality&#8221; and &#8220;depraved lusts&#8221; are considered sins of Sodom. In 2 Peter especially, the author seems to be drawing a comparison between “the sons of God” who came down to earth and mated with “the daughters of men” (<a href="../2010/02/06/joseph-smith-didnt-believe-in-watchers/">see Lesson 6</a>), and the men of Sodom who attempted to do sexual violence to the divine visitors whom Lot invited into his home. The comparison is that there was an unnatural mating, or attempt at a violent sexual act, between a divine being and a human being. The first acts lead ultimately to destruction by a flood, the second attempted act to destruction by fire.</p>
<p>A final consideration for the Latter-day Saint might be the words of modern Prophets and Apostles upon the matter. I will only include a few quotations here, but they are enough to demonstrate that there is a lack of consensus upon why the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and whether or not it had to do with homosexuality. Joseph Smith preached:</p>
<blockquote><p>“In consequence of rejecting the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Prophets whom God hath sent, the judgments of God have rested upon people, cities, and nations, in various ages of the world, which was the case with the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, that were destroyed for rejecting the Prophets.” <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4c9720596a845110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&amp;contentLocale=0"><em>Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith</em></a>, 192–205. From a discourse given by Joseph Smith in Nauvoo on Jan. 22, 1843.)</p></blockquote>
<p>In contrast, Spencer W. Kimball unequivocally equated the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah with homosexuality:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We hear more and more each day about the sins of adultery, homosexuality, and lesbianism. Homosexuality is an ugly sin, but because of its prevalence, the need to warn the uninitiated, and the desire to help those who may already be involved with it, it must be brought into the open. It is the sin of the ages. It was present in Israel’s wandering as well as after and before. It was tolerated by the Greeks. It was prevalent in decaying Rome. The ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are symbols of wretched wickedness more especially related to this perversion, as the incident of Lot’s visitors indicates. (Spencer W. Kimball,<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=33341f26d596b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">The Foundations of Righteousness</a>,” <em>Ensign</em>, Nov 1977, 4)</p></blockquote>
<p>Ezra Taft Benson taught that pride was the sin which caused the city of Sodom to be destroyed:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The scriptures abound with evidences of the severe consequences of the sin of pride to individuals, groups, cities, and nations. &#8216;Pride goeth before destruction.&#8217; It destroyed the Nephite nation and the city of Sodom.&#8221; (Ezra Taft Benson, <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=d8ff27cd3f37b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">Beware of Pride</a>,” 	<em>Ensign</em>, May 1989, 4.)</p></blockquote>
<p>More in line with Ezekiel, Neal A. Maxwell considered Sodom&#8217;s sin to be neglect of the poor and needy:</p>
<blockquote><p>“When love waxes cold, let the poor and the needy beware too, for they will be neglected, as happened in ancient Sodom.” (Neal A. Maxwell, <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=c51f84d4a0a0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">Repent of [Our] Selfishness’ (D&amp;amp;C 56:8</a>), <em>Ensign</em>, May 1999, 23)</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps in this post I have taken the long way around to show that, while I don&#8217;t think that homosexual orientation can be blamed for the destruction of Sodom and the cities of the plain, there are several valid interpretations of this passage. Additionally, there are many questions we don&#8217;t have good answers for. Why did Lot offer his daughters in place of the heavenly visitors, and why was he not condemned for this action? Of the entire city of Sodom, were there not children under 8 years old, and possibly others who were innocently killed in the destruction? Is it possible to connect the several sexual relationships which seem to run through the scripture block comprising Genesis 18-19? What are the symbolic meanings of the characters and actions? The story is so ambiguous that perhaps every reader comes away with a different perception of the lesson to be taught. I have illustrated that point by including below some art work, each with its own unique depiction of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://freechristimages.org/Images_Genesis/DestructionOfSodomAndGomorrah.jpg"><img src="http://freechristimages.org/Images_Genesis/DestructionOfSodomAndGomorrah.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="277" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, c. 1320</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Albrecht_Durer.jpg"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Albrecht_Durer.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="254" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Albrecht Dürer<br />
Lot and His Daughters</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Marc_Chagall.jpg"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Marc_Chagall.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="248" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Marc Chagall<br />
Abraham Approaching Sodom with Three Angels</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/giusto_de_menabuoi.JPG"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/giusto_de_menabuoi.JPG" border="0" alt="" width="310" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Giusto de Menabuoi<br />
Sodom and Gomorrah</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Schnoor_von_Carolsfeld.JPG"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Schnoor_von_Carolsfeld.JPG" border="0" alt="" width="320" height="262" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Julius Schnoor von Carolsfeld<br />
Lot flees Sodom</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Corot02.jpg"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Corot02.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="320" height="220" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Rembrandt van Rijn<br />
Lot and His Family Leaving Sodom</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Gustave_Dore.jpg"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Gustave_Dore.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="252" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Gustave Doré<br />
Lot flees Sodom</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://jloudon.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/sodom.jpg"><img src="http://jloudon.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/sodom.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="284" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Henry O. Tanner<br />
Sodom and Gomorrah</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/bavari/images/03.jpg"><img src="http://zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/bavari/images/03.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="320" height="179" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Alessandro Bavari<br />
The City of Sodom</p>
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		<title>Time to Study the Old Testament Again Part 6 – Symbols, Signs, Types and Shadows, and Tokens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Behold, my soul delighteth in proving unto my people the truth of the coming of Christ; for, for this end hath the law of Moses been given; and all things which have been given of God from the beginning of the world, unto man, are the typifying of him.” 2 Nephi 11:4 One of the beautiful things about the Old Testament and also one of the most frustrating is its use of symbols, types and shadows,  signs,  and tokens.  It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words and the same can be true of a symbol or type.  A symbol can represent something that is often hard to explain or cannot be expressed in a small amount of words. Our entire life is full of symbols and other devices to represent an idea, or even a rule.  Symbols like the $, £ or € are readily identified as types of money.  Others, such as: ©, §, ™ each has a special meaning, which we might recognize,  but would require a long explanation to fully understand it. Others still, like traffic signs are very obvious like a STOP sign, but others such as the one pictured here, need [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Behold, my soul delighteth in proving unto my people the truth of the coming of Christ; for, for this end hath the law of Moses been given; and all things which have been given of God from the beginning of the world, unto man, are the typifying of him.” 2 Nephi 11:4</p>
<p><span id="more-9827"></span><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/cars-sign.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-9828" style="border: 2px solid black;margin: 2px" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/cars-sign.jpg" alt="" width="135" height="119" /></a>One of the beautiful things about the Old Testament and also one of the most frustrating is its use of symbols, types and shadows,  signs,  and tokens.  It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words and the same can be true of a symbol or type.  A symbol can represent something that is often hard to explain or cannot be expressed in a small amount of words.</p>
<p>Our entire life is full of symbols and other devices to represent an idea, or even a rule.  Symbols like the $, £ or € are readily identified as types of money.  Others, such as: ©, §, ™ each has a special meaning, which we might recognize,  but would require a long explanation to fully understand it. Others still, like traffic signs are very obvious like a STOP sign, but others such as the one pictured here, need training to understand what it means and how we are to use it.</p>
<p>And so it is with the symbols, types and shadows, signs and tokens of the Gospels. A general rule that might be applied, as described in 2 Nephi 11:4 is that all things typify of Christ.  In other words, all things somehow point to Jesus Christ. Our task is to figure out how.</p>
<p>So just what are symbols, types and shadows, signs,  and tokens.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>Symbols </strong></span>– According to <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/symbol">The Merriam-Webster Dictionary</a> a symbol is<strong>: ”</strong>an authoritative summary of faith or doctrine<strong>:</strong> or <strong>2</strong> <strong>:</strong> something that stands for or suggests something else by reason of relationship, association, convention, or accidental resemblance. “</p>
<p>“Symbols are teaching devices. Symbols are the language in which all gospel covenants and all ordinances of salvation have been revealed. From the time we are immersed in the waters of baptism to the time we kneel at the altar of the temple with the companion of our choice in the ordinance of eternal marriage, every covenant we make will be written in the language of symbolism.”  (Donald W. Parry, Joseph Fielding McConkie, <em>Guide to Scriptural Symbols</em>, 1990 Page 1)</p>
<p><strong>Examples of Gospel Symbols </strong></p>
<p><strong>Noah’s Ark</strong> is a symbol of the Savior Jesus Christ because for Noah’s family and mankind from that point forward, it was the Ark that figuratively saved them from destruction in much the same way as the Savior saves us from eternal destruction.</p>
<p>The <strong>Arm</strong> is a symbol of power and strength, such as:</p>
<p>“With him <em>is</em> an arm of flesh; but with us <em>is</em> the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles.  And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah. (2 Chronicles 32:8)”</p>
<p>The Passover is rich with symbols such as the unleavened bread, the <strong>Matzah</strong>, which reminds us of the haste in which the Israelites left their captivity and the sweetness of freedom. The <strong>Bitter Herbs</strong>, which reminds us of the bitterness of slavery and the bitterness of sin and finally, the <strong>unblemished firstborn Lamb</strong>, sacrificed for freedom,  a symbol of Jesus Christ, the greatest sacrifice of all who frees us from sin and brings us freedom through repentance.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>Types and shadows</strong></span> – “a person or thing (as in the Old Testament) believed to foreshadow another (as in the New Testament)” (<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/type">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/type</a>). A type can be a person, an event or a place or location. (Alonzo L. Gaskill, T<em>he Lost Language of Symbolism,</em> Salt Lake City 2003)</p>
<p><strong>Examples of Types and Shadows</strong></p>
<p><strong>People</strong> – There are a significant number of examples where people are types for others, mainly the Savior.  Adam, Enoch, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David, etc. are all types for Jesus Christ, for example. Cain is a type for Satan/Lucifer. The story of Esau and Jacob has Esau as a type for the old Covenant and Jacob representing the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the new Covenant.</p>
<p><strong>Events</strong>- <strong>the Renting of the Veil</strong> typifies the ability for us to return to Our Heavenly Father and our new found access to Him though the Atonement of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p><strong>Place or Location</strong> – Kolob is a place that typifies Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>“And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it;</p>
<p>And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.” (Abraham 3:2 &#8211; 3)</p>
<p>Jesus stands next to the Father and is certainly one of the great ones. And at the Father’s right hand, He is the nearest to Him.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>Signs</strong> </span>– “something material or external that stands for or signifies something spiritual or  something indicating the presence or existence of something else.”  ( <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sign">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sign</a>)  Signs are typically given to show or warn the people of, a future event. The sign can mark a good event or a bad event. The most common usage for signs is to inform the people of the impending Savior’s birth, or to describe how the last days before the second coming of Christ will play themselves out (i.e. the Signs of the Times).</p>
<p><strong>Examples of Signs</strong></p>
<p><strong>The birth of the Savior</strong> &#8211; “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14)</p>
<p><strong>To show the power of God</strong> – “And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand, wherewith thou shalt do signs.” (Exodus 4:17)</p>
<p><strong>Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy</strong> &#8211; “Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it <em>is</em> a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that <em>ye</em> may know that I <em>am</em> the LORD that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it <em>is</em> holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth <em>any</em> work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.” (Exodus 31:13 &#8211; 14)</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Token</span> &#8211; </strong>an outward sign or expression (<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/token">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/token</a>) The token is usually a physical thing that represents a covenant between God and man or the sealing of a covenant between God and man.</p>
<p><strong>Examples of Tokens</strong></p>
<p><strong>The rainbow</strong> – After the Flood, The Lord told Noah, “This <em>is</em> the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that <em>is</em> with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.” (Genesis 9:12 &#8211; 13)</p>
<p><strong>Circumcision</strong> &#8211; And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. (Genesis 17:11). This token was done away with by the Atonement of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p><strong>The blood on the door post during the Passover</strong> &#8211; The Lord instructed the Israelites to take the blood of the lamb and apply it to their door post as a token of their obedience to the Lord’s instructions. Did the Angel of death or the Lord need the blood on the door to identify the faithful?  Of course not. But the Israelites needed to do it to show their obedience.</p>
<p>“And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye <em>are:</em> and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy <em>you,</em> when I smite the land of Egypt.” (Exodus 12:13)</p>
<p>These are but a small example of the symbols, types and shadows, signs and tokens contained in the Old Testament. As you study them, please keep in mind these guidelines given by Gerald Lund in the Book, “<em>Literature of Belief: Sacred Scripture and Religious Experience</em>,” edited by Neal A. Lambert:</p>
<p>1.   Look beyond the symbol for its intended meaning.</p>
<p>2.   Look for the interpretation of the symbol in the scriptures themselves.</p>
<p>3.   Look for Christ in the symbols and imagery of the scriptures.</p>
<p>4.   Let the nature of the object used as a symbol contribute to your understanding of its spiritual meaning.</p>
<p>5.   Seek the reality behind the symbol.</p>
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		<title>Sod, Seed, Salvation: Abrahamic Covenant and the Claim to Palestine</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #7 Sod, seed, and salvation &#8212; it&#8217;s how I like to describe the Abrahamic Covenant. There were three promises in the covenant. The first was a land promise, where the Lord gave Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. The second was the promise of a great and numerous posterity. And the third was the blessing of the everlasting Gospel: the priesthood and the promise of exaltation, to come to the world through Abraham&#8217;s lineage. (see Genesis 17)  But just look at how often the covenant was renewed! Several times with Abraham in Genesis 12, Genesis 15, Genesis 17 With Isaac in Genesis 26 With Jacob in Genesis 28 With Joseph in Genesis 49 Not only that, but you may be surprised to learn that this covenant consisting of a land promise, a posterity promise, and a gospel of salvation promise was also given to Moses and the children of Israel in Exodus 6 David in 2 Samuel 7 and, though we call it the Abrahamic Covenant, the same covenant was made even earlier, with Adam in Genesis 3 Enoch and Noah in Genesis 9, Gen 9:21-25 JST Finally, if you&#8217;ve read [...]]]></description>
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<p>Sod, seed, and salvation &#8212; it&#8217;s how I like to describe the Abrahamic Covenant.  There were three promises in the covenant.  The first was a land promise, where the Lord gave Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. The second was the promise of a great and numerous posterity.  And the third was the blessing of the everlasting Gospel: the priesthood and the promise of exaltation, to come to the world through Abraham&#8217;s lineage.  (see <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/17/">Genesis 17</a>)  But just look at how often the covenant was renewed!<span id="more-9801"></span></p>
<ul><a style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;" href="http://www.godsplanforall.org/images/other/Abraham%20Stars.JPG"><img src="http://www.godsplanforall.org/images/other/Abraham%20Stars.JPG" border="0" alt="" width="194" height="320" /></a></p>
<li>Several times with Abraham in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+12%3A1-3&amp;do=Search">Genesis 12</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+15%3A5%2C6%2C7%2C17&amp;do=Search">Genesis 15</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+17%3A2-11&amp;do=Search">Genesis 17</a></li>
<li>With Isaac in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+26%3A3-5&amp;do=Search">Genesis 26</a></li>
<li>With Jacob in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+28%3A13-15&amp;do=Search">Genesis 28</a></li>
<li>With Joseph in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+49%3A22-26&amp;do=Search">Genesis 49</a></li>
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<p>Not only that, but you may be surprised to learn that this covenant consisting of a land promise, a posterity promise, and a gospel of salvation promise was also given to</p>
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<li>Moses and the children of Israel in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=exodus+6%3A3-8&amp;do=Search">Exodus 6</a></li>
<li>David in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+sam+7%3A10%2C+12%2C+15%2C+16&amp;do=Search">2 Samuel 7</a></li>
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<p>and, though we call it the Abrahamic Covenant, the same covenant was made even earlier, with</p>
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<li>Adam in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=gen+3%3A+16%2C+17%2C+21&amp;do=Search">Genesis 3 </a></li>
<li>Enoch and Noah in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=genesis+9%3A7-11&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=genesis+9%3A7-11&amp;do=Search&amp;show=%0D%0A%0D%0A">Genesis 9</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/3">Gen 9:21-25 JST</a></li>
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<p>Finally, if you&#8217;ve read this week&#8217;s <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8314c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Sunday School lesson</a>, you&#8217;ll know that the Abrahamic Covenant is made with faithful members of the Church today, as promised in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=d%26c+132%3A30-32&amp;do=Search">D&amp;C 132</a>.</p>
<p>But when speaking of the Abrahamic Covenant, we might well consider the claim of Abraham&#8217;s firstborn son, Ishmael, his alleged descendants, and the ongoing conflict over the land of Canaan. I think it is interesting that the claims of both Palestinians and Israelis can be distilled into sod, seed, and salvation claims. Before you jump to a conclusion about how the argument over Palestine/Israel should be solved, let&#8217;s look at these with an open mind.</p>
<h4><strong>Sod: The Land Claim</strong></h4>
<p>Jewish claims to the land of Israel are based on the fact that this was the historical site and native site of the Jewish kingdom of Israel. There were always large communities of Jews in Israel, and the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. Palestinian Arabs&#8217; claims to the land are also based on continuous residence in the country for hundreds of years. The land was originally &#8220;Arab&#8221; land taken from its native inhabitants by invading Jews, they say.  Who&#8217;s right?  Let&#8217;s see: <small> </small></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong> </span>It was the British who exercised sovereign authority in Palestine under a League of Nations mandate for thirty years prior to Israel&#8217;s declaration of independence in 1948.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>But the territory was Turkish land, a province of the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years until the British wrested it from them during the Great War in 1917.<br />
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> If you look back earlier in history than the Ottoman Turks, who took over Palestine over in 1517, you find it under the sovereignty of the yet another empire not indigenous to Palestine: the Mamluks, who were Turkish and Circassian slave-soldiers headquartered in Egypt. In 1250 they took Palestine over from:<br />
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Ayyubi dynasty, the descendants of Saladin, the Kurdish Muslim leader who in 1187 took Jerusalem and most of Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The European Christian Crusaders, who in 1099 conquered Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Seljuk Turks, who ruled Palestine in the name of:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad, which in 750 took over the sovereignty of the entire Near East from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Umayyad Caliphate of Damascus, which in 661 inherited control of the Islamic lands from</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Arabs of Arabia, who in the first flush of Islamic expansion conquered Palestine in 638 from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Byzantines, who (nice people—perhaps it should go to them?) didn&#8217;t conquer the Levant, but, upon the division of the Roman Empire in 395, inherited Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Romans, who in 63 B.C. took it over from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The last Jewish kingdom, which during the Maccabean rebellion from 168 to 140 B.C. won control of the land from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Hellenistic Greeks, who under Alexander the Great in 333 B.C. conquered the Near East from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Persian empire, which under Cyrus the Great in 639 B.C. freed Jerusalem and Judah from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Babylonian empire, which under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. took Jerusalem and Judah from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Jews, meaning the people of the Kingdom of Judah, who, in their earlier incarnation as the Israelites, seized the land in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Canaanites, who had inhabited the land for thousands of years before they were dispossessed by the Israelites. <span style="color: #000000;">(from</span> </span><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202907/posts">Lawrence Auster</a>)</p>
<p>This brings us to our second point. The Hebrew Torah clearly shows that the Jews seized the land from the Canaanites. Can we go back into history and discover who the descendants of these ancient native peoples are?</p>
<h4><strong>Seed: The Descent Claim</strong></h4>
<p><a href="http://www.freearabvoice.org/articles/TheArabIdentityofPalestine.htm">Ibrahim Alloush </a>describes the descent claim of the Palestinians as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Arab identity of Palestine emanates not from the Islamic conquest, but with the Canaanites who came into Palestine from the shores of the Arabian Peninsula around 2500 BC, and who had sovereignty over the land until about 1000 BC. Hence Palestine was called the Land of Canaanites, until the Philistines came from the island of Crete and intermarried with the Canaanites to melt peacefully into them leaving only the name behind: Palestine. The ancient Hebrews were indeed part of the peoples of the region but they came into Palestine (the Land of the Canaanites) as invaders.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Those making this claim point out that descendants of the Canaanites/Philistines (ancient Arabs) have maintained a continuous presence in the land throughout history. Others say that the archaeological evidence disproves this. There is no record of the Canaanites surviving their destruction in ancient times. Prior to 1964 there was no &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; people and no &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; claim to Palestine; prior to the founding of the state of Israel in 1948, the name &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; referred to the <em>Jews</em> of Palestine.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Jews have their own problems proving literal descent. For example, <a href="http://pulsemedia.org/2009/04/16/shlomo-sand/">Shlomo Sand</a> insists that Diaspora Jews descend from converts and have no ethnic link to ancient Israel. In addition, human rights groups <a href="http://aboriginalrights.suite101.com/article.cfm/israeli_native_title">make the point</a> that no other indigenous or aboriginal peoples on the planet are granted the same consideration as the Jews. But there is one other consideration being used to make a claim for the land.</p>
<h4><strong>Salvation: The Religious Claim</strong></h4>
<p>According to the Torah, <em>Eretz Yisrael</em> was promised to the Abraham and his descendants. Muslims believe that since Abraham&#8217;s son Ishmael is the forefather of the Arabs, then God&#8217;s promise of the land to the children of Abraham includes Arabs as well. The prophet Muhammed passed through Jerusalem on his first journey to heaven, and all of the land of Israel is designated as Islamic &#8220;Waqf&#8221; which implies it must be governed by Muslims.</p>
<p>Israelis insist that the covenant was renewed with Abraham&#8217;s son Isaac and the inheritance was passed through his line to the Jews. They made Jerusalem a holy city over three thousand years ago have remained steadfast to it. They pray in its direction, mention its name constantly in prayers, close the Passover service with the wistful statement &#8220;Next year in Jerusalem,&#8221; and recall the city in the blessing at the end of each meal. The destruction of the Temple is still an event commemorated by a special day of mourning, houses left partially unfinished, a woman&#8217;s makeup or jewelry left incomplete, a glass smashed during the wedding ceremony. Christians identify with the Jews&#8217; love of Israel in many ways. The plaintive sound of Psalm 137 is reinforced in many of our hymns: &#8220;By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.&#8221; This sympathy has been apparent in modern reactions to the conflict over Israel.</p>
<p>In attempting to keep this post from being unwieldy, I am afraid that I have greatly simplified the issues. Please feel free to make additional points about these claims in the comments. However, what I am most interested in discussing is the great support the Christian world has given to the Jews&#8217; political return to Israel in modern times. (<a href="http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/zionism-pal-isr-primer.html">Zionism</a> was actually opposed by Orthodox Jews at first &#8212; they regarded Zionism as a violation of God&#8217;s will.) But the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people in 1947. Do you think there is a solution to this conflict? Who has the better claim? Should a world-wide coalition define boundaries, or should we let the two nations duke it out on their own?</p>
<p>Does your religious worldview and your Christian understanding of the Abrahamic Covenant affect your position on the issue?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #6 Hidden in our scripture reading for this week is a strange little passage which many modern Biblical scholars say was originally intended to explain the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of angelic beings with human wives.  These verses in Genesis stirred a lively debate among early Christian theologians as they struggled to explain why God felt it necessary to cleanse the Earth with a worldwide Flood.  It all starts with this odd passage inserted in the account before Noah built his vessel, the great ark. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose&#8230;There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #6</strong></big></p>
<p>Hidden in our scripture reading for this week is a strange little passage which many modern Biblical scholars say was originally intended to explain the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of angelic beings with human wives.  These verses in Genesis stirred a lively debate among early Christian theologians as they struggled to explain why God felt it necessary to cleanse the Earth with a worldwide Flood.   It all starts with this odd passage inserted in the account before Noah built his vessel, the great ark.<span id="more-9682"></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #993300;">And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose&#8230;There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:1-5)</span></p></blockquote>
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<p>This small passage has been the subject of much dispute in Christendom, and two main schools of exegesis have formed.  The <a href="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/">first and most popular</a> explains this passage as descriptive of disobedient angels (sometimes called Watchers) who descended from celestial realms and cohabitated with human women, producing a race of giants. Pseudopigraphic literature such as the Book of Enoch are dedicated to expanding this particular incident and serve as proof-tests for this theory. It is also similar in many respects to various myths of Near Eastern peoples.  This interpretation has spawned all kinds of new-age speculation on <a href="http://www.fallenwatchers.com/">alien races</a>, their interaction with antediluvian human beings, and modern-day abductions &#8212; but is actually the more conservative and accepted interpretation by the higher critics.</p>
<p>An <a href="http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/reprints/Sons-of-God-in-Genesis-6.pdf">alternate explanation</a> results by understanding the term &#8220;sons of God&#8221; to be the pious race descended from Seth, who sinned by marrying descendants of Cain, who would have been pagans. This is favored by some Christian groups who object to the idea that angels are physical or sexual beings. Many Jewish Biblical authorities prefer this explanation as well, to maintain an emphasis on one God.</p>
<p>The first explanation is definitely the cool one.  I would have thought that Joseph Smith would have been all over fallen angels, with his emphasis on the corporeality of divine beings.  But it turns out that Joseph didn&#8217;t believe in Watchers.  Hugh Nibley wrote an article explaining how Joseph&#8217;s theology in the Book of Moses provides a solution to the dilemma:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is the Joseph Smith Enoch which gives the most convincing solution: the beings who fell were not angels but men who had become sons of God. From the beginning, it tells us, mortal men could qualify as “sons of God,” beginning with Adam. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+6%3A68&amp;do=Search">Moses 6:68</a> How? By believing and entering the covenant. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+7%3A1&amp;do=Search">Moses 7:1</a> Thus when “Noah and his sons hearkened unto the Lord, and gave heed … they were called the sons of God.” <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+8%3A13&amp;do=Search">Moses 8:13</a> In short, the sons of God are those who accept and live by the law of God. When “the sons of men” (as Enoch calls them) broke their covenant, they still insisted on that exalted title: “Behold, we are the sons of God; have we not taken unto ourselves the daughters of men?” <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+8%3A21&amp;do=Search">Moses 8:21</a> (Hugh Nibley, “<a href="http://www.josephsmith.net/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=bcb81f26d596b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">A Strange Thing in the Land: The Return of the Book of Enoch</a>, Part 8,” Ensign, Dec 1976, 73)</p></blockquote>
<p>Joseph Smith&#8217;s unique Mormon spin on the <em>b’nei ha-Elohim</em> was that they were priesthood holders, and the covenant people of the Lord, who were defiling themselves by marrying out of the covenant.  Their resulting progeny were &#8220;Nephilim,&#8221; or &#8220;fallen ones.&#8221;  Joseph Fielding Smith later clarified the LDS interpretation of Genesis 6 when he scolded:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is a prevailing doctrine in the Christian world that these sons of God were heavenly beings who came down and married the daughters of men and thus came a superior race on the earth, the result bringing the displeasure of the Lord. This foolish notion is the result of lack of proper information, and because the correct information is not found in the Book of Genesis Christian peoples have been led astray.  The correct information regarding these unions is revealed in the inspired interpretation given to the Prophet Joseph Smith in the Book of Moses. Without doubt when this scripture was first written, it was perfectly clear, but scribes and translators in the course of time, not having divine inspiration, changed the meaning to conform to their incorrect understanding. These verses in the Prophet&#8217;s revision give us a correct meaning, and from them we learn why the Lord was angry with the people and decreed to shorten the span of life and to bring upon the world the flood of purification.  (Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 1: 136.)</p></blockquote>
<p>The doctrine is repeated in sermons in the Journal of Discourses, such as this one by Charles W. Penrose:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is stated that the iniquity of man was great, and God brought a flood on the earth. Now, to understand that correctly we have to know what kind of position those persons were in, and why they were called the &#8220;Sons of God.&#8221; Those men were in the same position as the Latter-day Saints. They were heirs to the Priesthood. They were the sons of God. They had obeyed the holy covenants. They had received the word of the Lord. They were consecrated to the Almighty. But they went outside of their covenants and their engagement with the Lord, and took wives of the daughters of men that were not in the covenant, and thus transgressed the law of God. The law of God in relation to this has been the same in all ages, and has been given to this people—that the sons of Israel shall wed the daughters of Israel, and shall not go out to wed with the stranger. These men did that, and God was displeased, as He is to-day with Latter-day Saints, who are called out of the world to be His servants, to be holy unto the Lord, to be clean because they bear the vessels of the Lord, when they go outside and wed with the stranger. (Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints' Book Depot, 1854-1886], 25: 228 &#8211; 229.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps because of its controversial nature Genesis 6:1-4 is often ignored when discussing the causes of the flood, even though the strong link between them has been noted in the past.  More fundamental religionists believe that this type of explanation of the Flood underscores the importance of maintaining racial and spiritual purity. God’s believing remnant must be preserved. When men failed to perceive the importance of this, God had to judge them severely.  In a Pearl of Great Price Institute Manual, President John Taylor is quoted, describing the Flood as an act of love, done for the benefit of that generation. By taking away their earthly existence God prevented them from entailing their sins upon their posterity and degenerating them.  An additional quotation from Joseph Fielding Smith applies this lesson to our day, saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Because the daughters of Noah married the sons of men contrary to the teachings of the Lord, his anger was kindled, and this offense was one cause that brought to pass the universal flood. . . . The daughters who had been born, evidently under the covenant, and were the daughters of the sons of God, that is to say of those who held the priesthood, were transgressing the commandment of the Lord and were marrying <em> out of the Church </em> . Thus they were cutting themselves off from the blessings of the priesthood contrary to the teachings of Noah and the will of God. . . .Today there are foolish daughters of those who hold this same priesthood who are violating this commandment and marrying the sons of men; there are also some of the sons of those who hold the priesthood who are marrying the daughters of men. All of this is contrary to the will of God just as much as it was in the days of Noah” (<a href="http://institute.lds.org/manuals/Pearl-of-Great-Price-Student-Manual/pgp-2-m8-01.asp">Pearl of Great Price Student Manual </a>- Religion 327)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, the Church still teaches that it is preferable not to marry outside of the covenant.  But we&#8217;re usually not so un-PC as to suggest that marrying non-members is an abominable sin that may cause mankind to be swept off the earth.  Some of you reading this post may not even agree that marrying outside the covenant is what brought a great judgment upon these people.  Once again, we&#8217;re seeing a shift in doctrine, to the point that some Latter-day Saint thinkers are again putting credence in the &#8220;Watcher&#8221; theory of Genesis 6.  Recent examples are posts by <a href="http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/2009/05/wait-thats-in-the-bible-celestial-sex/">Yellow Dart</a> at Faith Promoting Rumor, <a href="http://www.sethpayne.com/?p=798">Seth P</a>. at his blog, and <a href="http://www.heavenlyascents.com/2010/02/04/noah-prepared-an-ark-to-the-saving-of-his-house-old-testament-lesson-6/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HeavenlyAscents+%28Heavenly+Ascents%29">David Larsen</a> at Heavenly Ascents. In this, we&#8217;re not so different than the Christian world, where the debate continues.</p>
<p>Robert C. Newman points out some interesting facts concerning the current controversy:</p>
<blockquote><p>The present form of the debate is rather paradoxical. On the one hand, liberal theologians, who deny the miraculous, claim the account pictures a supernatural liaison between divine beings and humans. Conservative theologians, though believing implicitly in angels and demons, tend to deny the passage any such import. The liberal position is more understandable with the realisation that they deny the historicity of the incident and see it as a borrowing from pagan mythology. The rationale behind the conservative view is more complex: though partially a reaction to liberalism, the view is older than liberal theology.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why do you think our LDS bloggers are beginning to reconsider such an unusual theory?</p>
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		<title>Chosen or Posin&#8217; ? Abraham, Buffy, and Other Choice Spirits</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #2 This was an interesting lesson to read after last year&#8217;s brou-ha-ha over an alleged &#8220;generals in the war in heaven&#8221; quote. On the 25th of February 2008, the Church issued an official statement from the Office of the First Presidency to all General Authorities, Area Seventies, Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, District Presidents, Temple Presidents, Bishops and Branch Presidents which read: A statement has been circulated that asserts in part that the youth of the Church today “were generals in the war in heaven . . . and someone will ask you, ‘Which of the prophet’s time did you live in?’ and when you say ‘Gordon B. Hinckley’ a hush will fall, . . . and all in attendance will bow at your presence. [You were held back six thousand years because you were the most talented, most obedient, most courageous, and most righteous.]”* This is a false statement. It is not Church doctrine. At various times, this statement has been attributed erroneously to President Thomas S. Monson, President Henry B. Eyring, President Boyd K. Packer, and others. None of these Brethren made this statement. Stake presidents and bishops should see that it is not used in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #2</strong></big><br />
This was an interesting lesson to read after last year&#8217;s brou-ha-ha over an alleged &#8220;generals in the war in heaven&#8221; quote. On the 25th of February 2008, the Church issued an official statement from the Office of the First Presidency to all General Authorities, Area Seventies, Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, District Presidents, Temple Presidents, Bishops and Branch Presidents which read:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">A statement has been circulated that asserts in part that the youth of the Church today “were generals in the war in heaven . . . and someone will ask you, ‘Which of the prophet’s time did you live in?’ and when you say ‘Gordon B. Hinckley’ a hush will fall, . . . and all in attendance will bow at your presence. [You were held back six thousand years because you were the most talented, most obedient, most courageous, and most righteous.]”*<span id="more-8973"></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">This is a false statement. It is not Church doctrine. At various times, this statement has been attributed erroneously to President Thomas S. Monson, President Henry B. Eyring, President Boyd K. Packer, and others. None of these Brethren made this statement. Stake presidents and bishops should see that it is not used in Church talks, classes, bulletins, or newsletters. Priesthood leaders should correct anyone who attempts to perpetuate its use by any means, in accordance with “Statements Attributed to Church Leaders,” Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 1 (2006), 173.</p>
<p>Although this is not Church doctrine, I don&#8217;t see much which distinguishes it from the following quotation in our approved <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=9973c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=5158f4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Sunday School Lesson #2</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">President Ezra Taft Benson taught:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">“God has held you in reserve to make your appearance in the final days before the second coming of the Lord. Some individuals will fall away; but the kingdom of God will remain intact to welcome the return of its head &#8212; even Jesus Christ. While our generation will be comparable in wickedness to the days of Noah, when the Lord cleansed the earth by flood, there is a major difference this time. It is that God has saved for the final inning some of His strongest children, who will help bear off the kingdom triumphantly. …</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">“… Make no mistake about it—you are a marked generation. There has never been more expected of the faithful in such a short period of time than there is of us” (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [1988], 104–5).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been scratching my head all evening wondering why the Church would come out so emphatically against the &#8220;generals in heaven&#8221; quote, denouncing it as false doctrine, and yet retain these very similar teachings in the manual.  I suppose it might be because of the notion that someone in heaven would bow to anyone other than a member of the Godhead; however, if we become gods when we are exalted that&#8217;s not as heretical as it seems.  Perhaps the problem lies in the substitution of being chosen as a heavy responsibility for a kind of entitlement or specialness. But this is very subtle.  The entire Sunday School lesson, based on <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/3">Abraham 3</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/1-4#1">Moses 4:1–4</a> expounds our own unique spin on Calvinism and the doctrine of election. In the vision recorded in Abraham 3, the Lord showed Abraham the Council in Heaven that was held before the earth was created. Present at the Council were &#8220;many of the noble and great ones,&#8221; including (as enumerated in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/138/38-57#38">D&amp;C 138</a>) Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Elias, Malachi, Elijah, Nephite prophets, Joseph Smith, Hyrum, Brigham, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, &#8220;and other choice spirits who were reserved to come forth in the fulness of times.&#8221;  These spirits, the lesson teaches, were foreordained to do important things for the kingdom of God during their mortal lives. Including ourselves in that list of scriptural V.I.P.s is heady nectar.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a very careful word &#8212; &#8220;foreordination.&#8221; We teach that even though a person is foreordained to a calling, that calling is dependent on the person’s worthiness and willingness to accept it. We may have been righteous in the premortal &#8220;first estate,&#8221; but that doesn&#8217;t guarantee the keeping of our second estate here on earth. In this way, we stay a pace away from predestination. But foreordination is a loaded word for twentieth-century Mormons.</p>
<p>Episode 22 of Season 7 and the series finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer is titled &#8220;Chosen.&#8221; In this episode Buffy comes up with a plan which involves Willow performing a difficult spell.  The magic activates Potentials all over the world, defying the tradition of only one Slayer per generation. As the screen shows a montage of young women, Buffy&#8217;s voice-over says:</p>
<p><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1OZixgeCpgE/S0VATecK5JI/AAAAAAAAAe0/hfkbRz287hY/s1600-h/buffy.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5423812029570540690" style="margin: 0pt 30px 10px; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 300px; height: 400px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1OZixgeCpgE/S0VATecK5JI/AAAAAAAAAe0/hfkbRz287hY/s400/buffy.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>From now on, every girl in the world who might be a slayer&#8230;</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">A young woman stands at the plate staring at the pitcher, waiting to bat. She looks a little nervous. </span></big></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>will be a slayer.</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">A young woman breathes heavily as she leans on her locker for support. </span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;"><br />
Every girl who could have the power&#8230;</span><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">A young woman is lying across the floor, having fallen out of her chair.</span> </big></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>will have the power&#8230; can stand up,</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">In a Japanese-style dining room, a young woman stands up at family dinner.</span> </big></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>will stand up.</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">A young woman grabs the wrist of a man who&#8217;s trying to slap her face, preventing him. </span></big></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>Slayers&#8230; every one of us. Make your choice.</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">The girl at the plate changes from nervous to confident, smiling as she waits for the pitch. </span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Are you ready to be strong?</span></big></p>
<p>This scene gives me the same kind of feeling I used to have as a young adult, when countless Church leaders spoke to groups of us telling us that WE were the chosen, saved for the Latter-Days, to prepare the world and usher in the Millennium. That&#8217;s the feeling I got when I heard the word &#8220;foreordination.&#8221; It still gives me shivers, thinking about it.   I wasn&#8217;t a member yet, but in 1970 I was 11 years old when President Joseph Fielding Smith declared: “Our young people … are the nobility of heaven, a choice and chosen generation who have a divine destiny. Their spirits have been reserved to come forth in this day when the gospel is on the earth, and when the Lord needs valiant servants to carry on his great latter-day work.” I was part of that generation.  But then I had children, and they grew, and became the Youth of Zion themselves, and suddenly the leaders were telling THEM they were the marked ones.   &#8220;This is the greatest age in the history of the world, and its youth are a chosen generation,&#8221; President Hinckley told them in 1995. And then in November, my daughter brought forth my firstborn grandchild, and a third generation is beginning to rise up since I heard those words.</p>
<p>OT SS Lesson #2 states that its objective is &#8220;To help class members understand the doctrine of foreordination and their own responsibility to help build up the kingdom of God and bring souls to Christ.&#8221; Do you think this is the intended meaning of the scripture block in Abraham 3, Moses 4, and D&amp;C 138?  Do you think you were part of the Council in Heaven described there? Does the doctrine of foreordination as you have been taught it give you a sense of specialness and entitlement?  Were you taught you would usher in the Millennium?  Do you feel your day of being a chosen generation of youth has passed you by?</p>
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*Bracketed portion of the circulated quote not included in the First Presidency letter.</p>
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		<title>This is my Work and my Game Plan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #1 With Jeff&#8217;s interesting introduction to the OT course of study, I&#8217;m sure many of you have peeked at the first OT lesson for the new year. Correlation really likes to start the year off with the Plan of Salvation, and OT year really lends itself to this if you start with the book of Moses. I hardly ever use the LAME attention-grabber suggestions in the manual, and the Plan of Salvation rather bores me after so many times through. But I was actually intrigued by the suggestion in this lesson: Select two class members and hand them a bag that contains a few everyday items. Tell the participants that they are going to play a game, but do not give instructions or explain the object of the game. Ask the participants to open the bag and begin playing. They will expect the contents of the bag to explain the game. However, the contents do not provide this information, and the participants will wonder what they are supposed to do. Our family enjoys searching thrift stores for old and obsolete games. If you&#8217;ve never heard of it, so much the better! Sometimes the games come with missing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #1</strong></big><br />
With Jeff&#8217;s interesting introduction to the OT course of study, I&#8217;m sure many of you have peeked at the first OT lesson for the new year.   Correlation really likes to start the year off with the Plan of Salvation, and OT year really lends itself to this if you start with the book of Moses.  I hardly ever use the LAME attention-grabber suggestions in the manual, and the Plan of Salvation rather bores me after so many times through. But I was actually intrigued by the suggestion in this lesson:</p>
<blockquote><p>Select two class members and hand them a bag that contains a few everyday items. Tell the participants that they are going to play a game, but do not give instructions or explain the object of the game. Ask the participants to open the bag and begin playing. They will expect the contents of the bag to explain the game. However, the contents do not provide this information, and the participants will wonder what they are supposed to do.</p></blockquote>
<p>Our family enjoys searching thrift stores for old and obsolete games.  If you&#8217;ve never heard of it, so much the better!  Sometimes the games come with missing parts, and very often the instructions are missing.  We have a lot of fun constructing a game out of what is in the box.  Sometimes it&#8217;s obvious how to play, and sometimes we have to be creative, making up intricate rules as we go.  We always end up with a family version &#8212; and if anyone who actually knew how to play the game should sit down with us, they might become frustrated that we weren&#8217;t playing by the &#8220;right&#8221; rules.<span id="more-8862"></span></p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s why this object lesson made such an impression on me.    It occurred to me that this is a big reason why the Mormons and the evangelicals (indeed, any two religious sects) have such a problem with each other.  We have the scriptures&#8211;the game in the box&#8211;although some of the pieces are missing, and there are no instructions.  Each religious tradition has developed their own rules of how to play the game, what the purpose is, what the final goal shall be.  For Mormons, we are here on earth to prove ourselves, to see if we will live the commandments, to perfect ourselves and come into the presence of God.  So this is what we emphasize as we read the scriptures and expound our faith. This emphasis can sometimes look as if we are too focused on the &#8220;works&#8221; aspect of the gospel. The evangelicals have developed a set of instructions which is similar, but their emphasis is to discover a belief and faith in Jesus Christ, to develop a relationship with him and come to the Father through trust in the Atonement.  They are playing the game just a bit differently.</p>
<p>There are some religious traditions which would assert that these things don&#8217;t really matter&#8211;that the skills we learn as we play the game are what is important: if we are getting better at being fair, honest, helping our fellow players, and moving our game piece to the final goal, we are accomplishing the purpose of life.  Other religions, such as ours, put a lot of emphasis on if we are playing the game &#8220;right.&#8221;  Baptism doesn&#8217;t count if you don&#8217;t have the right authority, all of the proper ordinances must be taken care of, certain commandments must be lived, or we won&#8217;t develop the kind of personality that can come into God&#8217;s presence.</p>
<p>So do you think the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the true instructions?   Do you think there IS one true set of instructions on how to play this game of life?  What is the purpose of this game we are playing? Are you finding satisfactory answers in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7db3c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 1</a>, and in the corresponding scripture block <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/1">Moses 1</a>, or do you think there is more to it?</p>
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		<title>12 Days of Christmas and 3 Kings Day</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone is familiar with the Twelve Days of Christmas. It&#8217;s a funny song where the gift-giver gives strange gifts of &#8220;lords a leaping&#8221;, and various birds, including turtledoves and a &#8220;partridge in a pear tree.&#8221;  (Really, who would want all those birds?)  With the 12 days of Christmas, it seems the gifts are given the 12 days before Christmas.  The Bible tells us of the first gifts given in celebration of Christ&#8217;s birth by the Wise Men, and one tradition holds that the Wise Men visited 12 days after Christ&#8217;s birth.  January 6 is celebrated in some parts of the world as 3 Kings Day. I talked previously about the Wise Men and their part in the Christmas Story.  Not much is known about them, but there are quite a few interesting legends.  For example, we assume there are 3 Wise Men, but some ancient paintings show as few as two, and sometimes as many as four.  Names and legends have even sprung up to provide more information about these men. In the Greek church,  Gaspar (or Caspar), Melchior and Balthasar are their names.  Some artists have shown them to represent all of humanity: its youth, middle age, and elderly.  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is familiar with the Twelve Days of Christmas. It&#8217;s a funny song where the gift-giver gives strange gifts of &#8220;lords a leaping&#8221;, and various birds, including turtledoves and a &#8220;partridge in a pear tree.&#8221;  (Really, who would want all those birds?)  With the 12 days of Christmas, it seems the gifts are given the 12 days <em>before </em>Christmas.  The Bible tells us of the first gifts given in celebration of Christ&#8217;s birth by the Wise Men, and one tradition holds that the Wise Men visited 12 days <em>after </em>Christ&#8217;s birth.  January 6 is celebrated in some parts of the world as 3 Kings Day.</p>
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<p>I talked previously about the Wise Men and their part in the <a title="Christmas Story, Part 1" href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/12/13/christmas-story-part-1/" target="_self">Christmas Story</a>.  Not much is known about them, but there are quite a few interesting legends.  For example, we assume there are 3 Wise Men, but some ancient paintings show as few as two, and sometimes as many as four.  Names and legends have even sprung up to provide more information about these men.</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />In the Greek church,  <a title="Casper (name)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_%28name%29">Gaspar (or Caspar)</a>, <a title="Melchior" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior">Melchior</a> and <a title="Balthasar" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthasar">Balthasar</a> are their names.  Some artists have shown them to represent all of humanity: its youth, middle age, and elderly.  In the Renaissance, other artists sought to make the magi represent race, color and creed.  In one painting, one of the Magi is represented as coming from Ethiopia and was black.  The others came from Persia and India.</p>
<p>Syrian Christians have a 6th century tale naming them Horamistar, King of Persia; Yestigat King of Saba; and Perozad, king of Sheba.  <a title="Three Kings" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_kings#Names" target="_blank">Wikipedia </a>lists some other names and legends, and has some footnotes to provide some sources to these legends.</p>
<p>According to this <a title="3 Kings on Amazon.com" href="http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-of-the-Three-Kings/dp/B0002I9S6W" target="_blank">video</a>, in the Spanish world, presents are not exchanged on Christmas, but 12 days later on 3 Kings Day, January 6.  Presents under the tree are left by the 3 Kings, not Santa Claus.  A special cake is prepared, representing good luck for the next year.  The one who finds a ring cooked into the cake gets the good luck.</p>
<p><a title="Marco Polo" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo">Marco Polo</a> in the 13th century, claimed that he was shown the three tombs of the Magi at <a title="Saveh" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saveh">Saveh</a> south of <a title="Tehran" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran">Tehran</a> in the 1270s:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In Persia is the city of Saba, from which the Three Magi set out and in this city they are buried, in three very large and beautiful monuments, side by side. And above them there is a square building, beautifully kept. The bodies are still entire, with hair and beard remaining.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Another legend says their bones were allegedly removed by Helena, mother of Constantine, who was looking for Christian artifacts in the 4th century.  She took them to Byzantium, and the bones have been moved a few times, finally ending up in Cologne, where they are today, sealed in a golden coffin in a cathedral.</p>
<p>So, can anyone verify that the Spanish celebrate 3 Kings Day?  It sounds like a very interesting tradition to me.  I really like the cake idea.  About 3 years ago, I was trying to explain to my then 4 year old that Christmas was more than just Santa Claus.  I told him that it was Jesus&#8217; birthday.  My boy exclaimed, &#8220;We should make him a cake!&#8221;</p>
<p>As I thought of this 3 Kings Day tradition, I thought that might be an interesting addition to the holidays.  Perhaps we should all celebrate 3 Kings Day.  Perhaps we could save some money on the post-Christmas sales if we waited to buy presents after Christmas.  What do you think?  I like the idea of 3 Kings Day better than giving birds to my love (and I think she wouldn&#8217;t know what to do with all the birds either.)</p>
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		<title>Temple Wedding Petition</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A temple wedding petition to is being circulated to promote love and happiness in the family by changing the church&#8217;s stance on civil marriages preceding temple weddings. The petition requests that the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make it acceptable to have a civil marriage ceremony first, if desired, and then giving the couple the necessary time to attend the temple for the sealing ordinance as they do in those countries whose laws require it.  (The petition is not endorsed by Mormon Matters; this information is being shared for discussion as a news item). In the following video which lasts about 2 minutes, Jean talks about the stigma some members may feel if they choose a civil wedding ceremony. The other preseding videos last approximately 2 minutes each. Temple Wedding Petition 3 Here Temple Wedding Petition 1 Here Temple Wedding Petition 2 Here Temple Wedding Petition .org here The actual petition is found here I was raised in a part member family and remember when my brother was married my parents were disappointed that they weren&#8217;t able to go to the temple and see their son get married. It would have been nice for our family [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-8498" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Petition-274x300.jpg" alt="Petition" width="274" height="300" />A temple wedding petition to is being circulated to promote love and happiness in the family by changing the church&#8217;s stance on civil marriages preceding temple weddings. The petition requests that the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make it acceptable to have a civil marriage ceremony first, if desired, and then giving the couple the necessary time to attend the temple for the sealing ordinance as they do in those countries whose laws require it.  (The petition is not endorsed by Mormon Matters; this information is being shared for discussion as a news item).</p>
<p>In the following video which lasts about 2 minutes, Jean talks about the stigma some members may feel if they choose a civil wedding ceremony. The other preseding videos last approximately 2 minutes each.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdS1u8LeJU&amp;NR=1">Temple Wedding Petition 3 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwEpA-lFsX8&amp;NR=1"><span id="more-8492"></span>Temple Wedding Petition 1 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf3JPeT69Lg&amp;NR=1">Temple Wedding Petition 2 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/">Temple Wedding Petition .org here</a></p>
<p>The actual petition is found <a href="http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/enter/4952.html">here</a></p>
<p>I was raised in a part member family and remember when my brother was married my parents were disappointed that they weren&#8217;t able to go to the temple and see their son get married. It would have been nice for our family to have seen it. I wonder if it makes non- members, or those on the fringe, feel excluded from the church and may damper future missionary work with families. I live in England and it&#8217;s the law that there is a civil wedding which usually takes place in the chapel.</p>
<p>Recently a nephew was married and was schedueled to get married in the Salt Lake temple. Because much of the family couldn&#8217;t witness the wedding they decided last minute to have a civil wedding. He and his wife since their marriage enjoy going to the temple but have to wait a year now to be married in the temple.</p>
<p>I wonder if there is a church loophol if you want your non- member family to see your wedding you could get married in America and fly to a country where the church allows civil marriages followed by a temple marriage after?</p>
<p>What are your thoughts and experiences?</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Just to make it very clear that there is no advocacy on the part of MM</strong></span>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdS1u8LeJU&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
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		<title>Scripture Inerrancy, Literalism, and Pres Veazey</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are those (especially among Evangelicals) who believe that the Bible is inerrant and literal.  For example a scriptural literalist will claim that Noah&#8217;s flood covered the entire earth.  A non-literalist may say that the flood was merely a large localized flood. Pres. Stephen Veazey is the prophet for the Community of Christ, and he gave a sermon on scriptural literalism.  The videos can be found on the CoC website, and this quote comes from Chapter 4.  Let me quote from Pres. Veazey directly: Scripture is authoritative, not because it is perfect, or inerrant in every literal detail, but because it reliably keeps us grounded in God&#8217;s revelation.  And here is the heart of our challenge:  over the last several centuries, a doctrine of scripture emerged in Christianity that insists that all scripture, every single word, was directly dictated by God, and is inerrant in every detail.  This belief emerged as a response to the questioning of religious authority from those who held that human reason alone was the most reliable pathway to truth.  So a doctrine of scripture emerged that enshrined the literal words of scripture as inerrant and as the sole authority on all matters. This view still [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_6948" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 160px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-6948" href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/08/29/scripture-inerrancy-literalism-and-pres-veazey/veazey-steve/"><img class="size-full wp-image-6948" title="Pres. Steve Veazey" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Veazey-Steve.jpg" alt="Prophet/President, Community of Christ" width="150" height="188" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Prophet/President, Community of Christ</p></div>
<p>There are those (especially among Evangelicals) who believe that the Bible is inerrant and literal.  For example a scriptural literalist will claim that Noah&#8217;s flood covered the entire earth.  A non-literalist may say that the flood was merely a large localized flood.</p>
<p>Pres. Stephen Veazey is the prophet for the Community of Christ, and he gave a sermon on scriptural literalism.  The videos can be found on the CoC website, and this quote comes from <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/presidency/AprilAddress/april0509/resources.asp">Chapter 4</a>.  Let me quote from Pres. Veazey directly:<img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-6947"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>Scripture is authoritative, not because it is perfect, or inerrant in every literal detail, but because it reliably keeps us grounded in God&#8217;s revelation.  And here is the heart of our challenge:  over the last several centuries, <strong>a doctrine of scripture emerged in Christianity that insists that all scripture, every single word, was directly dictated by God, and is inerrant in every detail</strong>.  This belief emerged as a response to the questioning of religious authority from those who held that human reason alone was the most reliable pathway to truth.  So a doctrine of scripture emerged that enshrined the literal words of scripture as inerrant and as the sole authority on all matters.</p>
<p>This view still dominates much of global Christianity today.  It also strongly influences more than a few members of the Community of Christ who have adopted it from the larger religious culture.  However, that doctrine, that view of scripture is not how scripture was understood in Christianity since its birth.  It&#8217;s not how Jesus Christ used and viewed scripture.  And it is not how the community of Christ officially views scripture today.</p>
<p>The church affirms that scripture is inspired, indispensable, essential to our knowledge of God, and the Gospel.  In addition, we believe that scripture should be interpreted responsibly, through informed study, guided by the Holy Spirit working in and through the church.  Scripture was formed by the community of faith to shape the community of faith, therefore, interpreting scripture is the constant work of the faith community.  Community of Christ also stresses, that all scripture must be interpreted through the lens of God&#8217;s most decisive revelation in Jesus Christ</p>
<p>So if portions of scripture don&#8217;t agree with our fullest understanding, of the meaning of the revelation of God in Christ, as illuminated by the Holy Spirit, and discerned by the faith community, the teachings and vision of Christ take precedence.  This principle applies to all of our books of Scripture, especially any passages by some to categorically assign to God&#8217;s disfavor, or negative characteristics, or secondary roles to others.</p>
<p>This is why our belief in continuing revelation is so important.  This belief keeps us open to yet more light and truth so we can grow and understand of God&#8217;s supreme will as revealed in Jesus Christ.  Doctrine and Covenants 163:70 states, &#8220;Scripture, prophetic guidance, knowledge and discernment must walk hand in hand to reveal the true will of God.&#8221;  Follow this pathway, which is the way of the living Christ, and you will discover more than sufficient light for the journey ahead.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I find tremendous agreement with the CoC position.  What are your thoughts?  Do you lean for or against scriptural literalism?</p>
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		<title>Hypocrisy, Thy Name Is Biblical Translation</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This probably will be the shortest post I ever write, but sometimes less is more.  I hope that is the case here. I have to shake my head in amusement - and sometimes really laugh &#8211; when I hear those who complain about the wording of the Book of Mormon (that it&#8217;s too much from the KJV of the Bible and the language Joseph and the people of his time spoke), while having no problem whatsoever with Christians using non-KJV, modern translations of the Bible because that version is too hard to understand. It&#8217;s totally fine to translate the Bible into words and phrases and a style that teenagers now will understand, but it&#8217;s not OK for Jospeh to use words and phrases the readers of his time would understand?  It&#8217;s fine for the Bible to go through extensive translations of varying degrees of difficulty for individual understanding, resulting in numerous acceptable versions (including some that without question are &#8220;20th and 21st Century versions&#8221;), but it&#8217;s not OK for Joseph to have translated the Book of Mormon into 19th Century, Christian terminology?  If people hundreds of years from now could access only the translations of the Bible written in modern English for modern teenagers, they would reject it out-of-hand as being [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This probably will be the shortest post I ever write, but sometimes less is more.  I hope that is the case here. <span id="more-5983"></span></p>
<p>I have to shake my head in amusement - and sometimes really laugh &#8211; when I hear those who complain about the wording of the Book of Mormon (that it&#8217;s too much from the KJV of the Bible and the language Joseph and the people of his time spoke), while having no problem whatsoever with Christians using non-KJV, modern translations of the Bible because that version is too hard to understand. It&#8217;s totally fine to translate the Bible into words and phrases and a style that teenagers now will understand, but it&#8217;s not OK for Jospeh to use words and phrases the readers of his time would understand?  It&#8217;s fine for the Bible to go through extensive translations of varying degrees of difficulty for individual understanding, resulting in numerous acceptable versions (including some that without question are &#8220;20th and 21st Century versions&#8221;), but it&#8217;s not OK for Joseph to have translated the Book of Mormon into 19th Century, Christian terminology? </p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">If people hundreds of years from now could access only the translations of the Bible written in modern English for modern teenagers, they would reject it out-of-hand as being a &#8220;product of its time&#8221; &#8211; exactly as so many people say they reject the Book of Mormon for that reason. </span></p>
<p>All other translation issues aside, I just find this particular argument amusing, since it really is a comical argument to make from within Christianity.  I have to believe those who use that rationale either don&#8217;t understand that modern translations of ancient works generally are written and &#8220;translated&#8221; in such as way that those who read it in that culture and time can understand it (&#8220;Romeo+Juiet&#8221; or &#8220;Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou&#8221;, anyone? &#8211; or the multitudinous versions of classics that get modernized as movies) <strong>OR</strong> that they have a deeper, more foundational reason for rejecting it &#8211; like a rejection of the overall prophetic calling of Joseph Smith. </p>
<p>I believe rejecting the Book of Mormon because of a rejection of Joseph Smith is a teneble position; I belive rejecting Joseph Smith because of a belief that the Book of Mormon linguistically is a &#8221;product of its time&#8221; is not. </p>
<p>Irony, thy name is scriptural translation.</p>
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