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		<title>Comparing Correlation with the Supreme Court</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I mentioned before, I am enjoying Greg Prince’s biography of David O McKay.  Under the McKay Administration, correlation of LDS church materials made a great deal of headway.  While correlation has cut down on duplication of church materials, it has become a bit unwieldy. I found a quote by Paul Dunn that discussed how correlation has had some unintended side effects, and he likened these problems to the Supreme Court.  We are all familiar with “legislating from the bench”, and there seems to be a similar problem with correlation.  Paul Dunn gave an interview in 1995 and said on page 158, I think what happened is what’s happening in government today, as I see it now, thirty years later.  For example, the Supreme Court is supposed to determine the constitutionality of a law, but very gradually, the Supreme Court starts to make the law.  That’s what is happening to correlation.  Correlation creates nothing.  That’s the process.  It has no authority to make a statement that creates a position or direction.  That’s totally out of harmony with what President McKay set up.  Brother Lee understood that, and carried it out.  Since the 1970s, I’ve seen the drift, where correlation is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned before, I am enjoying Greg Prince’s biography of David O McKay.  Under the McKay Administration, correlation of LDS church materials made a great deal of headway.  While correlation has cut down on duplication of church materials, it has become a bit unwieldy. I found a quote by Paul Dunn that discussed how correlation has had some unintended side effects, and he likened these problems to the Supreme Court.  We are all familiar with “legislating from the bench”, and there seems to be a similar problem with correlation.  Paul Dunn gave an interview in 1995 and said on page 158,</p>
<blockquote><p><span id="more-12724"></span>I think what happened is what’s happening in government today, as I see it now, thirty years later.  For example, the Supreme Court is supposed to determine the constitutionality of a law, but very gradually, the Supreme Court starts to make the law.  That’s what is happening to correlation.  Correlation creates nothing.  That’s the process.  It has no authority to make a statement that creates a position or direction.  That’s totally out of harmony with what President McKay set up.  Brother Lee understood that, and carried it out.  Since the 1970s, I’ve seen the drift, where correlation is now telling me, if I write something to get through correlation, “You can’t say that.”  And I write back and say, “Why?”  And they say, “Well, because we think this is the interpretation.”  And I write back and say, “You’re not the interpreter.”…And that’s where we got lost.  Today, I see correlation, like the Supreme Court, becoming more and more the originator of the thought, rather than the coordinator of the thought….So, while I think correlation is good, I think it’s gone past its original commission.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think one of the reasons why the church has decided to focus on “the basics” is because it is the “safe” thing to do.  Correlation doesn’t want to deal with controversial theology.  It seems to me that Correlation is all about “dumbing down” the curriculum, because it is easier to deal with.  It is much harder to deal with controversial comments from previous leaders.  So, in order to be safe, correlation removes such hard to explain topics.  (I mean, who can really argue about the need to pray more, read the scriptures, do service, etc?)  Hence, spiritual growth isn’t nearly as vibrant as it used to be.  Only milk is served, without meat, causing spiritual malnutrition.</p>
<p>So, what do you make of Correlation?  Do Paul Dunn’s comments bother you?  Is Correlation too much of a good thing?  Do you think Correlation can ever be restrained, or reversed?</p>
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		<title>Faith, Knowledge, Belief, and Stochastic Theory Part 4: Finding Truth &#8211; An Optimization Problem</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In part two of this series I discussed Bayesian inference. Specifically, I discussed how Bayesian inference provided us with a mechanism for deciding in what we should place our confidence given all the information we possess and will yet obtain. This was all framed in the context of confidence. I&#8217;d like to discuss an alternative way of looking at Bayesian inference &#8211; namely optimization. Optimization Optimization largely rules our world. Virtually all of management, engineering, politics, and much of science is about optimization. Optimization, in this sense, is the process of determining the optimal solution given all the objectives and constraints. In management, the process may not be that formal. Perhaps there is a board of directors who gather around a table to discuss the optimal set of policies, the direction to go, etc. In politics it is likely similar. The President of the U.S. surrounds himself with experts on a particular topic, they then engage in discussion, and hope to land on the optimal answer given the objectives and constraints. For engineers the process is much more formal and precise. Usually optimization takes the form of a cost function &#8211; a function incorporating, mathematically, all the objectives and constraints. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/18/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-2-inductive-reasoning/">part two</a> of this series I discussed Bayesian inference.  Specifically, I discussed how Bayesian inference provided us with a mechanism for deciding in what we should place our confidence given all the information we possess and will yet obtain.  This was all framed in the context of confidence.  I&#8217;d like to discuss an alternative way of looking at Bayesian inference &#8211; namely optimization.<span id="more-11861"></span></p>
<h4>Optimization</h4>
<p>Optimization largely rules our world.  Virtually all of management, engineering, politics, and much of science is about optimization.  Optimization, in this sense, is the process of determining the optimal solution given all the objectives and constraints.  In management, the process may not be that formal.  Perhaps there is a board of directors who gather around a table to discuss the optimal set of policies, the direction to go, etc.  In politics it is likely similar.  The President of the U.S. surrounds himself with experts on a particular topic, they then engage in discussion, and hope to land on the optimal answer given the objectives and constraints.</p>
<p>For engineers the process is much more formal and precise.  Usually optimization takes the form of a cost function &#8211; a function incorporating, mathematically, all the objectives and constraints.  An algorithm (and there are many) is then employed to &#8220;solve&#8221; the function resulting in the optimal solution.  To demonstrate, here&#8217;s an example:</p>
<p>Suppose you are designing an aircraft.  There are numerous design possibilities, a canard style, V-tail empennages, aspect ratio of the wings, length of fuselage, coating of the surfaces, wingtips, where to place the turbines, height of vertical stabilizer (if having one at all), etc. etc.  We would like to find the optimal answer amongst all these parameters such that we maximize lift, maximize cargo space, maximize safety, minimize energy consumption, etc.  Of course we also have constraints.  We cannot physically manufacture a flexible fixed wing that is 800 ft long and thin as a toothpick.  To solve the problem, we can write down a big, long, nasty equation that would mathematically characterize the physics, constraints, and objectives and then pick our favorite optimization algorithm and wait for it to churn out the answer (which may take a long time).</p>
<p>Bayesian inference is one algorithm that can be applied to such an optimization problem.  Typically one would choose this algorithm amidst a cost function that was stochastic in nature, having noise and/or error in the system, that expressed our confidence.</p>
<h4>Finding the Truth, Optimization Style</h4>
<p>In some sense, the Bayesian inference mechanism I discussed in previous posts could be seen as an optimization method for finding the truth.  If we assume that all the new information we regularly encounter has some (even if very little) truth therein, and we apply that information in the regular Bayesian inference sense, we could then reliably conclude that we have found the &#8220;truth,&#8221; with some probability (level of confidence), given all the information.</p>
<p>This is highly related to a comment FireTag made on my <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/23/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-3-putting-it-all-together/">previous post</a>.  He asked</p>
<blockquote><p>So there are routes to evolve our beliefs toward truth no matter where we start or whatever the order of our search algorithm?</p></blockquote>
<p>In the context of this question, Bayesian inference can easily be seen as a search algorithm.  And, in fact, if we used a Sequential Monte Carlo method, it really does feel like a search algorithm.</p>
<p>In expanding this notion, my response, in part, was:</p>
<blockquote><p>Absolutely (at least in my book)! Though certainly some search algorithms are definitely worse than others and some starting places better than others! Otherwise what prayer in the world do we have (unless you&#8217;re absolutely certain that YOU&#8217;VE got it right, but I sure don&#8217;t)? I view my religion/spirituality as a compass that (I hope) points me in a good direction. My hope is that if/when the absolute truth is made manifest to me I will be humble enough (and my definition of humble is &#8220;openness to the truth&#8221;) to recognize it because/in spite of my current confidence distribution.</p></blockquote>
<p>From this perspective, we might view the church (or whatever church you belong to), the Gospel, this life, and all our associated experience as tools to help us optimize for, and draw nearer to the truth given the objectives and constraints of our personal limitations and the limitations of this mortal existence.  While I have encountered a very few number of Mormons who claim that we have ALL the truth, this is not the claim of the LDS church.  Most of us, I believe, accept there are things we don&#8217;t yet know and don&#8217;t yet understand.  The real challenge is to have an appropriate confidence distribution such that you will accept that truth when it is made known to you.</p>
<p>However, I finished my response to FireTag with the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, this really opens another can of worms &#8211; namely, what is truth? My explanation thus far has been about our perception of truth which may or may not correlate with objective or absolute truth. To argue over whether or not our perception of truth is objective truth is to argue over what forms of evidence are acceptable and what weight we should apply to that evidence (which is the conclusion of <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/23/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-3-putting-it-all-together/">this post</a> and is an argument with no victor).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Church history and our quest for the Great Mormon Novel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 11:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[About two years ago, Carter Hall wrote an article on this very site comparing and contrasting the types of heroes that Superman and Spiderman represent, noting the different cultural settings from which the two were born and, consequently, identifying different generational appeals to the different superheroes. As he wrote: Everyone knows Superman.  He is simply the most powerful superhero ever created.  Invulnerable to almost everything, his list of abilities includes flight, speed, strength, heat vision, x-ray vision . . . the list goes on.  His private life also seems pretty sweet.  He was raised by two stead[y] parents (although in some versions Pa Kent dies when Clark is young), has a good career, and in recent years is married to the love of his life.  Director Richard Donner went so far as to present Supes as a Christ figure in the 1979 film, with Jor-El (God the Father?) sending his only son to earth to help mortals realize their potential for good. As contrasted to: Then there’s Spiderman, a decidedly less perfect hero.  Peter Parker’s parents are gone, and even his Uncle Ben dies early on, leaving him with only Aunt Mae.  He gets bitten by a radioactive spider and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About two years ago, Carter Hall <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/09/18/superman-vs-spiderman/">wrote an article on this very site</a> comparing and contrasting the types of heroes that Superman and Spiderman represent, noting the different cultural settings from which the two were born and, consequently, identifying different generational appeals to the different superheroes. As he wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Everyone knows Superman.  He is  simply the most powerful superhero ever created.  Invulnerable to almost  everything, his list of abilities includes flight, speed, strength,  heat vision, x-ray vision . . . the list goes on.  His private life also  seems pretty sweet.  He was raised by two stead[y] parents (although in  some versions Pa Kent dies when Clark is young), has a good career, and  in recent years is married to the love of his life.  Director Richard  Donner went so far as to present Supes as a Christ figure in the 1979  film, with Jor-El (God the Father?) sending his only son to earth to  help mortals realize their potential for good.</p></blockquote>
<p>As contrasted to:</p>
<blockquote><p>Then there’s Spiderman, a decidedly less perfect hero.  Peter Parker’s  parents are gone, and even his Uncle Ben dies early on, leaving him with  only Aunt Mae.  He gets bitten by a radioactive spider and gains powers  including strength, speed, agility, wall-climbing, and “spider-sense.” &#8230;Impressive  abilities, to be sure, but <em>nothing </em>compared to Superman.  He  also struggles with issues like unemployment, unpopularity, and girl  problems to a much greater degree than his DC counterparts.  He’s a real  person, dealing with real problems, plus he fights crime.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hall addressed the way that, as different generations idealized different superheroes, different generations of church leadership idealized different parts of church history and doctrine. But now, as new generations are growing up in a new technological era, they discover not that there are new heroes to be found&#8230;but rather they discover that the old heroes &#8212; whom they had been raised to believe were larger-than-life like the DC superheroes &#8212; were always more akin to the down-to-earth Marvel counterparts. Such a discovery, rather than leading the way for a a blossoming of new understanding of the heroes, has led to a sense of betrayal for many.<span id="more-11396"></span></p>
<p>Why is this the case? In an article I wrote discussing <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/literary-philistines-great-mormon-novels/">that elusive concept of &#8220;The Great Mormon Novel</a>,&#8221; I had not anticipated making any connections to history. Yet, as I read <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/literary-philistines-great-mormon-novels/#comment-4677">one comment</a>, I wondered:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the qualities that makes literature great is the ability to  create nuance.  Protagonists with serious flaws and antagonists with  shiny centers.  I don’t think Mormonism is very conducive to this view.   There’s a lot of black and white thinking – take the typical LDS  attitude toward coffee drinkers, for example.</p>
<p>In fact, an arument could be made that an individual Mormon writer  could write a great novel, but a MORMON novel, by definition, is going  to be flat and full of cariacture.</p></blockquote>
<p>I immediately was taken aback by this. Sure, I could see what the point that the writer was trying to make&#8230;and I don&#8217;t think I can really deny some impact of what he had said. Yet, as I remarked then, and what I&#8217;ve been thinking about ever since, was this:</p>
<p>Even if we see the way correlated church history as taught as being somewhat&#8230;truncated&#8230;abbreviated&#8230;whatever term you will use, what we know (or what many of us soon discover, whether we want to or not), is that Mormonism <em>does</em> have nuance. The protagonists we have been raised with <em>do</em> have serious flaws, and many antagonists have shiny centers. In fact, even if we want to speak about Mormonism today, where it seems as if Mormonism is increasingly black and white and polarized, this status quo of, say, correlation, is itself an ongoing drama of nuance, as has been addressed at length in <a href="http://mormonstories.org/?p=980">podcasts like this one on Mormon Stories</a>.</p>
<p>Yet this doesn&#8217;t seem to evoke within many the &#8220;greatness&#8221; of the tradition, of the culture, of the religion. Instead, it seems to make many shrink. It seems to break down others, without offering any care package to start building them back up.</p>
<p>Why is this so? When we look for &#8220;truth&#8221; and &#8220;perfection&#8221;, do we eschew and disdain the qualities that make literature and art beautiful, real, and <em>accessible</em>? People say that art mimics life, but when life seems to have all the traits we appreciate in art, why does that disappoint?</p>
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		<title>The Death of McConkie&#8217;s Mormon Doctrine</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night on KUTV in Utah, an announcement was made which signals the end of an era.  It was reported that Bruce R. McConkie&#8217;s Mormon Doctrine will no longer be published by the Church, and that it will not be sold by Deseret Book.  Since I didn&#8217;t see the newscast, I&#8217;m not sure what reasons were given, but one viewer stated, &#8220;Why? For tighter correlative control, because of the book&#8217;s embarrassing clarity, and because of some controversial assertions in the book.&#8221;  He also said that the publisher asserted the book was withdrawn because of poor sales. Sandra Tanner was interviewed on the 5:30 segment of the news, with her collection of every edition of McConkie&#8217;s book.  She provided me with her view of the decision: I believe the main reason McConkie&#8217;s &#8220;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; was taken out of print was due to its candid discussion of LDS doctrines that the church is now trying to hide. Such teachings as God once being a man, his wife&#8211;Heavenly Mother, and Jesus being the literal, physical son of God are just a few of the doctrines that are being minimized in current manuals. If the LDS Church felt &#8220;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; presented a faulty compilation [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" src="http://www.gospelink.com/images/books/569.jpg" alt="" width="124" height="180" />Last night on KUTV in Utah, an announcement was made which signals the end of an era.  It was reported that Bruce R. McConkie&#8217;s <em>Mormon Doctrine</em> will no longer be published by the Church, and that it will not be sold by Deseret Book.  Since I didn&#8217;t see the newscast, I&#8217;m not sure what reasons were given, but one viewer stated, &#8220;Why? For tighter correlative control, because of the book&#8217;s embarrassing clarity, and because of some controversial assertions in the book.&#8221;  He also said that the publisher asserted the book was withdrawn because of poor sales.<span id="more-11320"></span><!--more--></p>
<p>Sandra Tanner was interviewed on the 5:30 segment of the news, with her collection of every edition of McConkie&#8217;s book.  She provided me with her view of the decision:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I believe the main reason McConkie&#8217;s &#8220;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; was taken out of print was due to its candid discussion of LDS doctrines that the church is now trying to hide. Such teachings as God once being a man, his wife&#8211;Heavenly Mother, and Jesus being the literal, physical son of God are just a few of the doctrines that are being minimized in current manuals. If the LDS Church felt &#8220;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; presented a faulty compilation of their doctrines, why haven&#8217;t they issued an authorized compendium of their beliefs? Mormons often say to me, &#8220;That&#8217;s not official doctrine&#8221; as though there was some place to look up the official teachings. Where is the official systematic theology of Mormonism?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Interestingly, <a href="http://connect2utah.com/">KUTV has posted</a> their news stories from last night online, omitting any mention of this segment.  There is speculation that it was held due to criticism of the way it was reported.  We will update you here as more details become available.</p>
<p>Written in 1958, <em>Mormon Doctrine</em> has served as a reference book for members of the Church for over 50 years, but has recently gone out of vogue.  References to McConkie&#8217;s work were taken out of the Gospel Principles manual when it was reissued this year for use in Priesthood and Relief Society classes.  Now it seems it is being further phased out.  It is only surprising that this has not been done before, since <em>Mormon Doctrine</em> has not enjoyed the support of every member of the highest Church Councils over the years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hold a little &#8220;In Memoriam&#8221; session here at Mormon Matters for Bruce R. McConkie&#8217;s <em>Mormon Doctrine</em>.  It was the first book I ever purchased when a brand-new convert in 1979, in the authoritative-looking black-and-gold binding. It was the perfect place for a convert to go for a source of Church teachings in a pre-internet age.  Thus, it shaped much of my early thinking about the Church.  This was the third edition, having been revised to be &#8220;more moderate&#8221; in 1966, and then again in 1978 after the Priesthood revelation.  Much of the Bible Dictionary in our current editions of the LDS scriptures come directly from <em>Mormon Doctrine</em>.  McConkie himself described it as &#8220;the first major attempt to digest, explain, and analyze all of the important doctrines of the kingdom&#8221; and &#8220;the first extensive compendium of the whole gospel—the first attempt to publish an encyclopedic commentary covering the whole field of revealed religion.&#8221;  Its teachings have had a major impact upon several generations of Latter-day Saints.</p>
<p>How have you been impacted by Mormon Doctrine?</p>
<h4><strong>Update</strong>: The story is now up at <a href="http://connect2utah.com/news-story/?nxd_id=89525">Connect2Utah</a>.</h4>
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		<title>White and Delightsome or Pure and Delightsome? (Cognitive dissonance 2)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change. I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white. We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with. I guess I better get down to what [...]]]></description>
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<p>I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change.<span id="more-10643"></span></p>
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<p>I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white.</p>
<p>We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with.</p>
<p>I guess I better get down to what has caused my dissonance.   Here are some statements by the prophets about a Book of Mormon passage found in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+ne+30:6&amp;do=Search">2 Nephi 30:6</a> regarding a change Lamanites would experience if they embraced the Book of Mormon.  In every edition save one (1840), the words &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; were used.  In the 1981 edition, the editors reverted to the 1840 edition&#8217;s &#8220;pure and delightsome&#8221; wording.</p>
<p><strong>Prophet Statements</strong></p>
<p><strong>President Brigham Young </strong><br />
&#8220;You may inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines of this country are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation &#8230;When the Lord has a people, he makes covenants with them and gives unto them promises: then, if they transgress his law, change his ordinances, and break his covenants he has made with them, he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites and other portions of the house of Israel; but by-and-by they will become a white and delightsome people.&#8221; (Journal of Discourses 7:336)</p>
<p><strong>W.W. Phelps to Brigham Young quoting Joseph Smith: </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;It is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites that their posterity, may become white, delightsome and just.&#8217;&#8221; In the 8 December 1831 Ohio Star, Ezra Booth wrote of a revelation directing Mormon elders to marry with the &#8220;natives.&#8221; (Sunstone, November 1993, footnote #5, pg. 52)</p>
<p><strong>Apostle Spencer W. Kimball</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today&#8230;. The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl&#8211;sixteen&#8211;sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents&#8211;on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather&#8230;.These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.&#8221; (Apostle Elder Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967)</p>
<p><strong>2 Nephi 5:21</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 <strong>Nephi 2:12-15</strong> teaches that dark-skinned Lamanites who converted unto the Lord had their curse taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;White&#8221; versus &#8220;Pure&#8221; (Maxwell Institute)</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>According to the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon, Nephi, speaking of the latter-day restoration, discussed the future conversion of Lehi&#8217;s descendants: &#8220;And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people&#8221; (2 Nephi 30:6). In 1840 the Book of Mormon was &#8220;carefully revised by the translator,&#8221; Joseph Smith, and in that edition the expression &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; was changed to &#8220;pure and delightsome.&#8221; This change seems to reflect the Prophet&#8217;s concern that modern readers might misinterpret this passage as a reference to racial changes rather than to changes in righteousness. Possibly his sojourns in Ohio and Missouri had altered his perspective of the racial connotations of the term <em>white</em> in the contemporary United States, particularly among slaves and slaveholders. He may not have gained much understanding of this matter during his upbringing in New England and New York State, where slavery was not as common.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for subsequent Latter-day Saint interpreters, following the Prophet&#8217;s death the changes in the 1840 edition of the Book of Mormon were not carried over into subsequent printings, which were instead based on an edition prepared by the Twelve Apostles in Great Britain after a copy of an earlier edition. The apostles, being in England, were not familiar with the 1840 edition. Consequently, Latter-day Saints did not reap the benefit of the Prophet&#8217;s clarification until it was restored in the 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon.  Some critics have been fond of citing statements of earlier Latter-day Saint leaders, who once interpreted 2 Nephi 30:6 to mean that conversion leads to a change of skin color; however, to use such statements today is anachronistic at best and disingenuous at worst since these statements were all expressed previous to the 1981 correction and merely echo a misinterpretation of the Book of Mormon text rather than the authoritative text itself. Moreover, a change in Lamanite skin color was clearly never intended by the &#8220;white/pure and delightsome&#8221; passage that the Prophet Joseph modified because it does not refer to the Lamanites at all, but to the Nephites and Jews in the latter days who turn to Christ (see 2 Nephi 30:1—7).</p>
<p>But is the Prophet&#8217;s change from &#8220;white&#8221; to &#8220;pure&#8221; justified in the scriptural context? The answer is yes. The terms <em>white</em> and <em>pure</em> are used synonymously in Daniel 7:9, Revelation 15:6, and Doctrine and Covenants 110:3. They are also found together in a number of passages where they clearly refer to those who are purified and redeemed by Christ (Alma 5:24; 13:12; 32:42; Mormon 9:6; D&amp;C 20:6). Similarly, Mormon expressed the hope that the Nephites &#8220;may once again be a delightsome people&#8221; (Words of Mormon 1:8).</p></blockquote>
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<p>Where I have dissonance or questions</p>
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<li>Is from how I understand the Book of Mormon and statements of past prophets contradict our view of it being pure today.</li>
<li>There has been no church conference talk that I am aware of clarifying the teachings of the past prophets i.e. President Kimball white vs pure. Many members I would suggest aren’t clear on our past beliefs and our current progressive belief on pure.</li>
<li>If these were president Kimball’s own personal views why haven’t the church come out with a statement expounding on this?</li>
<li>As a church, are we resolute that this was a clarification of the word white &#8212; never meant to refer to a person with dark skin pigmentation who would turn white upon a conversion to the gospel; but referring to a cleaner state of heart? This hypothesis in my mind fails to make clear other passages in the Book of Mormon that still make a connection with &#8220;iniquity&#8221; and skin color. See, for example, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=2+ne+30:6&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=2+ne+5:21%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=">2 Nephi 5:21</a> as well as past prophet statements.</li>
<li>Why did it take God 140 years to clarify this misunderstanding?</li>
<li>If we quote what President Kimball said in 1967 conference would we be considered anachronistic today?</li>
<li>Is FARMS saying Apostle Kimball’s views are out of date , old fashioned, obsolete?</li>
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		<title>The Sacred Made Real: Mormonism, Iconography and the Passion of Christ</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago I attended an exhibition entitled ‘The Sacred made Real’ at the National Gallery in London. The collection was focussed on Spanish hyper-realism (painting and sculpture) between 1600-1700. Some of the more famous artists included in this collection were: Velazquez, Zurburan and de Mena. The intent of these artists was to provide life-like depictions of the suffering of Christ in order to invoke feelings of sympathy and awe in the observers. These artists wanted to create a form of spiritual devotion through the simulated presence of the Passion. I was surprised at my own response. Having served my mission in Ireland, I am familiar with the Catholic iconography that is present in many of their Churches. Having been raised Mormon I am familiar with the critical attitude toward these types of statues and paintings; and yet as I surveyed these works of art, some of them had a real impact upon me. Statues of the lacerated Jesus or of the dying Jesus or the crucified Jesus forced me to hold back tears for fear of embarrassment. Even a bust of the Virgin Mary moved me deeply. I sensed that it is a real loss to Mormon culture [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago I attended an exhibition entitled ‘The Sacred made Real’ at the National Gallery in London. The collection was focussed <img class="alignright" title="Art1" src="http://heracliteanfire.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Sacred-Made-Real-Christ-a-016.jpg" alt="" width="199" height="300" />on Spanish hyper-realism (painting and sculpture) between 1600-1700. Some of the more famous artists included in this collection were: Velazquez, Zurburan and de Mena. The intent of these artists was to provide life-like depictions of the suffering of Christ in order to invoke feelings of sympathy and awe in the observers. These artists wanted to create a form of spiritual devotion through the simulated presence of the Passion. I was surprised at my own response. <span id="more-9656"></span></p>
<p>Having served my mission in Ireland, I am familiar with the Catholic iconography that is present in many of their Churches. Having been raised Mormon I am familiar with the critical attitude toward these types of statues and paintings; and yet as I surveyed these works of art, some of them had a real impact upon me. Statues of the lacerated Jesus or of the dying Jesus or the crucified Jesus forced me to hold back tears for fear of embarrassment. Even a bust of the Virgin Mary moved me deeply. I sensed that it is a real loss to Mormon culture that we do not readily engage with these products of devotion.</p>
<p>Much of the LDS art that I have seen of Jesus seems banal and insipid. We see a calm, collected and/or kind Jesus; and yet he is rarely depicted in any of the extremes of suffering or joy that was surely part of the humanity of his life. I am aware of exceptions; but even these pail in insignificance to what these Spanish artists created. I believe that Jesus was, at times calm, collected and kind; but I also believe he experienced the full range of human emotions (good and bad). I believe his model for living was abundance.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft" title="Art2" src="http://www.eventsworldwide.com/SacredMadeReal3.jpg" alt="" width="259" height="173" />More confusing to me is that the LDS ‘Lamb of God’ video is different. It makes an explicit attempt to evoke this type of passionate response in the audience by alluding to the vicious suffering of Jesus. Why is it that film is more acceptable as a means of presenting this kind of devotional material? Is this merely a cultural distinction, an anti-catholic hangover from Nineteenth century America, and if so is it not about time that we extend Priesthood legitimacy to all worthy forms of Art.</p>
<p>Perhaps Eugene England was right when he said that Mormons do not experience the &#8216;tragic&#8217; as frequently as others because of the success of our religion, but I doubt it.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="425" height="344" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="src" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RuDqxn8zXgY&amp;hl=en_GB&amp;fs=1&amp;" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RuDqxn8zXgY&amp;hl=en_GB&amp;fs=1&amp;" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always"></embed></object></p>
<p>Yet this raises another question, why do we need to use these different media to help us connected with Jesus and his suffering. Are we more able to sense the visceral reality of his wounds if they are shown to us? Can we more easily believe in the atonement if we can see the suffering of Christ? If this is so, would not these type of ‘passion’ iconography be a useful medium to help latter-day Saints explore their relationship to our Lord?</p>
<p>Perhaps Mormons need to more fully explore the spiritual artistic heritages that are rooted in other faiths as well as trying to promote our own. I certainly feel that my faith has been enriched by some of what our extended Christian heritage has produced.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some time ago, as a guest I wrote a post entitled &#8216;Academic freedom in the Church&#8216; which tried to explore some of liberalizing tendencies seen in LDS culture since the September Six, but particularly over the last decade.  Having recently read an excellent (as usual) article by D. Michael Quinn on the development of the &#8216;Sacral Power Structure&#8216; of Mormonism, I wanted to re-visit this issue as a result of some of the reasons he gives for the increasing authoritarianism and conservatism in the Church.  Quinn argues that the expansive growth of the Church during the 1950-1970&#8242;s led the hierarchy to emphasize an &#8216;unquestioning rank-and-file obedience to Church directives&#8217; which is rooted in the &#8216;inherent fear of centrifugal tendencies of enormous Church growth&#8217;[1].  One way this tendency has been manifested is the shifting practice concerning Common Consent, which I previously discussed here.  Quinn also argues that during the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century, sustaining votes were sometimes used to reject the proposed candidate.  This was encouraged in the context of a voluntary obedience.  However, following the presidencies of Joseph Fielding Smith and Harold B. Lee, the discourse around common consent became associated with the idea that a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago, as a guest I wrote a post entitled &#8216;<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/15/academic-freedom-in-the-church/">Academic freedom in the Church</a>&#8216; which tried to explore some of<a href="http://www.ldsgospelink.com/next/doc?book_doc_id=281531"> liberalizing tendencies seen in LDS </a>culture since the September Six, but particularly over the last decade.  Having recently read an excellent (as usual) article by D. Michael Quinn on the development of the &#8216;<a href="http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/dialogue&amp;CISOPTR=17506&amp;REC=4">Sacral Power Structure</a>&#8216; of Mormonism, I wanted to re-visit this issue as a result of some of the reasons he gives for the increasing authoritarianism and conservatism in the Church.  Quinn argues that the expansive growth of the Church during the 1950-1970&#8242;s led the hierarchy to emphasize an &#8216;unquestioning rank-and-file obedience to Church directives&#8217; which is rooted in the &#8216;inherent fear of centrifugal tendencies of enormous Church growth&#8217;[1]. <span id="more-8931"></span></p>
<p>One way this tendency has been manifested is the shifting practice concerning Common Consent, which I previously discussed <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/04/common-consent-democracy-or-prophetocracy/">here</a>.  Quinn also argues that during the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century, sustaining votes were sometimes used to reject the proposed candidate.  This was encouraged in the context of a voluntary obedience.  However, following the presidencies of Joseph Fielding Smith and Harold B. Lee, the discourse around common consent became associated with the idea that a vote against a leadership decision was a rejection of the will of the Lord.  Thus, Church leader&#8217;s fears of losing control completely of the membership may have led them to emphasis a new type of relationship with Church authorities.  Quinn argues that this can be seen through a concern that some leaders had that the Church would be run by specialists rather than priesthood authority, thus the increased emphasis upon the &#8216;brethren&#8217;.</p>
<p>What does this mean for the Church currently and its membership?  Much has been said both officially, at GC, and unofficially, among the membership, about Church growth.  In general it has slowed (or flat-lined) over the last decade across the world.  It is possible therefore, that as Church growth slows or remains constant that we will see reversals in the way the Church approaches the issues of authoritarianism and doctrine.  I am not trying to argue that the Church is ever wholly conservative or liberal.  My point however is that as new ideas, practices and technologies are assimilated in the Church&#8217;s power structure there will inevitably be the emergence of new assemblages of power and new types of discourse.  In the same way that new conservative mechanisms where emphasised and solidifed throught the development of new media, so it is possible that these same changes could provide more liberalising assemblages/discourses.  Thus it is possible that as the Church, and its culture, become more firmly established its Leaders may become more relaxed about &#8216;the centrifugal tendencies&#8217; Quinn observes.</p>
<p>However, the problem with this hypothesis is that Church growth is not equal across the world.  We have already seen these fears manifest themselves in the Church&#8217;s response to exponential growth in areas such as Chile and Philippines (where in each case they sent Apostles to specifically preside over those areas).  Contrastingly, the emphasis on finding local leadership at the general level (Area Authority Seventies &#8211; and the like) may result in increased scope for variation and interpretation[2].  Thus it is possible that in those areas like Western Europe (where I am from) where the Church is established and hardly growing, there might be increasing tendency toward liberalism, while in areas of relative instability the emphasis will remain on unquestioning obedience.  However such differences are of course mediated by whether the Church wants to retain a unified approach across the globe (a fact which some have posited will be a major restriction to Church growth[3].</p>
<p>It is possible that the previous liberalisation toward academia, argued for in my previous post, may be part of a wider dynamic linked to the slowing down of Church growth?</p>
<p>Do you think this is plausible?</p>
<p>Notes:</p>
<p>1. D. Michael Quinn, <em>From Sacred Grove to Sacral Power Structure</em> in Dialogue, vol. 17, no. 2 [Salt Lake city, UT.: Dialogue Foundation, 1984] p. 29.</p>
<p>2. Armand L. Mauss, <em>Can there be a Second Harvest?</em> in International Journal of Mormon Studies, vol. 1, no. 1, [online, 2008], pp. 1-59.</p>
<p>3. Douglas J. Davies, <a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,510-1-3067-1,00.html">World Religion: Dynamics &amp; Constraints</a> at The Worlds of Joseph Smith Conference.</p>
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		<title>LDS Church News Says: &#8220;Use Proper Sources&#8221; With Gospel Teaching</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>johndehlin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Hat tip to Michael Carpenter) This just in from LDS Church News.  Correlation remains king. &#8220;A gospel teacher is not called to choose the subject of the lesson but to teach and discuss what has been specified. Gospel teachers should also be scrupulous to avoid hobby topics, personal speculations, and controversial subjects. The Lord&#8217;s revelations and the directions of His servants are clear on this point.&#8221; and &#8220;The Church — through its inspired correlation program — has given us official sources of information to help us prepare lessons and plan activities. Instead of turning to unofficial books and Web sites, let&#8217;s use those sources.&#8221; Thoughts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hat tip to Michael Carpenter)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/58411/Use-proper-sources.html" target="_blank">This just in</a> from LDS Church News.  Correlation remains king.</p>
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<div id="_mcePaste">&#8220;A gospel teacher is not called to choose the subject of the lesson but to teach and discuss what has been specified. Gospel teachers should also be scrupulous to avoid hobby topics, personal speculations, and controversial subjects. The Lord&#8217;s revelations and the directions of His servants are clear on this point.&#8221;</div>
<div>and</div>
<div>&#8220;The Church — through its inspired correlation program — has given us official sources of information to help us prepare lessons and plan activities. Instead of turning to unofficial books and Web sites, let&#8217;s use those sources.&#8221;</div>
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<div>Thoughts?</div>
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