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		<title>Dueling Wordprint Studies</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the 3rd post reviewing By the Hand of Mormon, by Terryl Givens.  I&#8217;ve taken a bit on an interest in wordprint studies.  Givens explains wordprint studies on page 156.
Computational stylistics is based on the premise that all authors exhibit subtle, quantifiable stylistic traits that are equivalent to a litereray fingerprint, or wordprint.  The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the 3rd post reviewing <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/890236.By_the_Hand_of_Mormon_The_American_Scripture_that_Launched_a_New_World_Religion">By the Hand of Mormon</a>, by Terryl Givens.  I&#8217;ve taken a bit on an interest in wordprint studies.  Givens explains wordprint studies on page 156.</p>
<blockquote><p>Computational stylistics is based on the premise that all authors exhibit subtle, quantifiable stylistic traits that are equivalent to a litereray fingerprint, or wordprint.  The method has been used to investigate other instances of disputed authorship, from Plato to Shakespeare to the Federalist papers.  <img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-10038"></span>Analyzing blocks of words from 24 of the Book of Mormon&#8217;s ostensible authors, along with nine nineteenth-century writers including Joseph Smith, three statisticians used three statistical techniques (multivariate analysis of variance, cluster analysis, and discriminant analysis) to establish the probability that the various parts of the Book of Mormon were composed by the range of authors suggested by the narrative itself.  They found that all of the sample word blocks exhibit their own &#8220;discernable authorship styles (wordprints),&#8221; even though these blocks are not clearly demarcated in the text, but are &#8220;shuffled and intermixed&#8221; throughout the Book of Mormon&#8217;s editorially complex narrative structure (wherein alleged authorship shifts some 2.000 times).  Emphasizing the demonstrated resistance of these methods to even deliberate stylistic imitation, they further conclude that &#8220;it does not seem possible that Joseph Smith or any other writer could have fabricated a work with 24 or more discernible authorship styles.&#8221;  The evidence, they write, is &#8220;overwhelming&#8221; that the Book of Mormon was not written by Joseph Smith or any of his contemporaries or alleged collaborators they tested for (including Sidney Rigdon and Solomon Spaulding).<sup>4</sup> Asubsequent, even more sophisticated analysis by a Berkeley group concluded that it is &#8220;statistically indefensible to propose Joseph Smith or Oliver Cowdery or Solomon Spaulding as the author of 30,000 words&#8230;attributed to Nephi and Alma&#8230;The Book of Mormon measures multiauthored, with authorship consistent with its own internal claims.  These results are obtained even though the writings of Nephi and Alma were &#8216;translated&#8217; by Joseph Smith.&#8221;<sup>5</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, let me talk about multivariate analysis of variance, cluster analysis, and discriminant analysis.  These are very advanced graduate level statistical techniques.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_A._Fisher">Ronald Fisher</a> is a famous English statistician (ok, only famous to statisticians) who pioneered many of these techniques.  Danish Professor Anders Hald said Fisher  &#8220;almost single-handedly created the foundations for modern statistical science.&#8221;  Fisher died in 1962.  These techniques are really new, are frankly aren&#8217;t discussed in any bachelor&#8217;s level statistics courses.</p>
<p>Givens book was published in 2002.  From reading this paragraph, one would think wordprint studies are solidly in favor of Mormons.  However, in Dec 2008, Oxford Journals published a new study called &#8220;<em>Reassessing authorship of the Book of Mormon using delta and nearest shrunken centroid classification</em>.&#8221; I have a master&#8217;s degree in statistics, and until I saw this article, I had never heard of a shrunken centroid classification.  I must say I have always been impressed with Wikipedia when it comes to math articles, but Wikipedia doesn&#8217;t even have an article on this shrunken centroid classification.  I found this <a href="http://www-stat.stanford.edu/~tibs/PAM/Rdist/howwork.html">Stanford University article that describes the technique</a>.  Apparently it is used in cancer gene analysis.  The authors of this Book of Mormon authorship article are three Stanford University professors:  Matthew L. Jockers (English), Daniela M. Witten  (Statistics), Craig S. Criddle (Civil and Environmental Engineering).  They claim that “Our findings<sup> </sup>support the hypothesis that Rigdon was the main architect of<sup> </sup>the <em>Book of Mormon</em> and are consistent with historical evidence<sup> </sup>suggesting that he fabricated the book by adding theology to<sup> </sup>the unpublished writings of Spalding (then deceased).”</p>
<p>(<a href="http://llc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/short/23/4/465" target="_blank">The abstract is found here</a>, but you have to pay $28 to actually view the article.)  FAIR has criticized the methodology of the study, because they didn’t include Joseph Smith as a possible author.  Why isn’t he as likely as Spalding to have written it?  It appears the Stanford professors decided that the true author of the Book of Mormon was one of only seven possible authors:  Oliver Cowdery, Parley P Pratt, Sidney Rigdon, Solomon Spalding, Isaiah/Malachi, Joel Barlow, and Henry Longfellow.  Barlow and Longfellow are poets thrown in as control, so it shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise that they didn’t match.  Since the Book of Mormon includes writings of Isaiah and Malachi, these portions should easily match, and the Jockers study concludes these portions match.</p>
<p>I guess my biggest problem with Jockers is this.  The corrected abstract refers to a correction on one chapter, &#8220;With the corrected<sup> </sup>data, NSC ranked Rigdon at 0.4626 and Spalding at 0.46525.&#8221;  If I am understanding this correctly, these numbers are probabilities.  So the probability that Sidney Rigdon is the real author if this chapter of the Book of Mormon is less 50%&#8211;not exactly a ringing endorsement, I&#8217;d say.  I&#8217;d like to see probabilities of the other chapters, especially the Isaiah and Malachi chapters, which I expect will have a pretty strong correlation.</p>
<p>Now, to be fair, I don&#8217;t have probabilities that Givens is referencing&#8211;perhaps they are suspect as well.  But I expect that Isaiah and Malachi have much higher probabilities than 0.4626 for Jockers study.  So, what do you think of wordprint studies?</p>
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		<title>Are Mormon Academics Winning the Debate with Evangelicals?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been reading Terryl Givens book, By the Hand of Mormon.  While acknowledging archaeological data isn&#8217;t as strong as other aspects of the Book of Mormon, Givens seems to feel Mormon academics have made some impressive contributions.  I posted a longer version of this on my blog.  Givens starts with Hugh Nibley on page 118:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Terryl Givens book, <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/890236.By_the_Hand_of_Mormon_The_American_Scripture_that_Launched_a_New_World_Religion">By the Hand of Mormon</a>.  While acknowledging <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/01/31/foundations-of-book-of-mormon-archaeology/">archaeological data</a> isn&#8217;t as strong as other aspects of the Book of Mormon, Givens seems to feel Mormon academics have made some impressive contributions.  I posted a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/02/22/are-mormon-academics-winning-the-debate-with-evangelicals/">longer version</a> of this on my blog.  Givens starts with Hugh Nibley on page 118:</p>
<blockquote><p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />No one in the history of Mormon scholarship has done more to establish rational grounds for belief in the Book of Mormon than Hugh Nibley.  Acquiring impressive scholarly credentials (summa cum laude from UCLA and a Berkeley Ph.D. dissertation written in three weeks in 1938) before heading off to war&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-9970"></span>From page 124,</p>
<blockquote><p>Nibley&#8217;s legendary erudition, fluency across a spectrum of languages, and prodigious output (appearing in a wide range of scholarly publications from the <em>Classical Journal</em> and <em>Encyclopedia Judaica</em> to <em>Church History</em> and <em>Revue de Qumran) </em>have lent his work a weight that is unprecedented in Mormon studies.</p>
<p>Praised by the likes of non-LDS scholars Raphael Patai, Jacob Neusner, James Charlesworth, Cyrus Gordon, Jacob Milgrom, and former Harvard Divinity School dean George McRae (&#8220;it is obscene for a man to know that much,&#8221; he grumbled, hearing him lecture), Nibley has done more than any Mormon of his era to further the intellectual credibility of the Book of Mormon.<sup>23</sup> Inspired by his work, a more recent generation of LDS researchers brings a range of impressive scholarly credentials to serious Book of Mormon scholarship.<sup>24</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Many critics of the Book of Mormon take issue with this idea of &#8220;Reformed Egyptian.&#8221;  Givens quotes Moroni on page 132,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech&#8221; (Morm. 9:32)</p>
<p>Mormon scholars take this to suggest the possibility that the writers used modified Egyptian symbols to represent Hebrew words (&#8220;Hebrew words, idioms, and syntax written in Egyptian cursive script&#8221;<sup>53</sup>), certainly a bizarre idea for a nineteenth-century audience.  Now as John Tvedtnes points out, &#8220;the use of Egyptian symbols to transliterate Hebrew words and vice versa, is known from the sixth century B.C. text discovered at Arad and Kadesh-Barnea,&#8221;<sup>54</sup> Papyrus Amherst 63, for example, &#8220;contains a scriptural text in Northwest Semitic tongue written in an Egyptian script.&#8221;<sup>55</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Givens shows other parallels in the chapter, including:</p>
<ul>
<li> Lehi&#8217;s travel through the desert,</li>
<li>his poetic structure,</li>
<li>the golden plates parallel with the Copper Scroll found with the Dead Sea Scrolls (and other writings on ancient metal plates),</li>
<li>similarities between Moroni&#8217;s Title of Liberty and the Quran,</li>
<li>King Benjamin&#8217;s coronation was similar to Bablyonian rituals, and</li>
<li>important plates buried in stone boxes by Darius, king of Persia.</li>
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<p>Givens goes on to talk about John Welch.  As a missionary in Germany in 1967, Welch attended a lecture on chiasmus, a Hebrew literary device.  Welch soon discovered chiasmus in Mosiah 5:10-12, a form of inverted parallel poetry.  Welch went on to work with FARMS, the Foundation of Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (formed in 1979.)  The group looks at Old World parallels in the Book of Mormon.  Givens addresses John Sorenson, the most recognized archaeologist advocating a Central American setting for the Book of Mormon.  (I plan a future post exclusively to Sorenson and his theory.)</p>
<p>Givens says that Mormon Scholarship is causing alarm among Evangelical critics.  From page 143,</p>
<blockquote><p>Under the burden of Mormon scholarship that is increasingly well credentialed, and in the face of Mormon growth that is alarming to evangelicals,<sup>110</sup> the polemics of nineteenth-century preachers are no longer an adequate response.  Until recently, for example, criticisms of barley or pre-Columbian horses in the Book of Mormon would come from writers of anti-Mormon books&#8211;not from botanists or archaeologists.  The latter have not, for the most part, taken the Book of Mormon seriously enough as a text to analyze its historical credibility.  A recent paper by two evangelical scholars suggests that a realignment of the Book of Mormon wars may be coming.</p>
<p>The 1997 address of Carl Mosser and Paul Owen at a regional meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society was remarkable for a number of reasons.  First, it accorded high praise to the state of Mormon scholarship.  They summarized a number of recent publications to illustrate their assertion that &#8220;in recent years the sophistication and erudition of LDS apologetics has risen considerably&#8230;[and] is clearly seen in their approach to the Book of Mormon.&#8221;  As difficult as it may be to accept the fact, &#8220;LDS academicians are producing serious research which desperately needs to be critically examined,&#8221; they insisted.<sup>111</sup></p>
<p>In addition, Mosser and Owen are adamant that evangelical responses to Mormon scholarship have been, almost universally, &#8220;uninformed, misleading, or otherwise inadequate&#8230;.At the academic level evangelicals are losing the debate.&#8221;<sup>112</sup> Actually, it hardly resembles a debate, because Mormon scholars, they acknowledge, &#8220;have&#8230;answered most of the usual evangelical criticisms.&#8221;  And, as of 1997, there were &#8220;no books from an evangelical perspective that responsibly interact with contemporary LDS scholarly and apologetic writings.&#8221;<sup>113</sup></p>
<p>&#8230;[page 144]  The major force in anti-Mormon polemics has long been Jerald and Sandra Tanner&#8230;It is no wonder that non-Mormon historian Lawrence Foster has faulted these critics, the most prolific of all anti-Mormon writers, for &#8220;twisting&#8221; scholarship, resorting to &#8220;debaters&#8217; ploys,&#8221; and, in general, demonstrating &#8220;lack of balance and perspective.&#8221;<sup>117</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>So, what do you think of the state of Mormon Scholarship?</p>
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		<title>Dialogue Subscribers and Book of Mormon Historicity?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 2005 Dialogue conducted research among it&#8217;s subscribers.  There was over a 1,000 responses which (assuming that everyone answered every question) is a fairly good sized sample to infer what the population of subscribers might think.  One interesting tidbit is that nearly half of the subscribers were over 61 and that 40% had a doctoral [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2005 Dialogue conducted <a href="http://www.dialoguejournal.com/DialogueSurveyFinalTables.pdf">research</a> among it&#8217;s subscribers.  There was over a 1,000 responses which (assuming that everyone answered every question) is a fairly good sized sample to infer what the population of subscribers might think.  One interesting tidbit is that nearly half of the subscribers were over 61 and that 40% had a doctoral degree.  They asked a range of qustions but one that interested me was: &#8216;What way is the Book of Mormon Authentic?&#8217;  I thought before showing the results that our readers should answer the same question:<span id="more-8994"></span></p>
<p> Note: There is a poll embedded within this post, please visit the site to participate in this post's poll.</p>
<p>The Dialogue subscribers answered in the following way:</p>
<p>33.9% = Historical</p>
<p>21.6% = Teaching and Moral Theology Authentic; Historicity Doubtful</p>
<p>12% = Moral Teachings Sound, Historicity &amp; Divine Origin Doubtful</p>
<p>13.7% = 19th Century Literary Product</p>
<p>I would have thought that less people would have thought that the Book of Mormon was historical?  Just in case your wondering, for those people who subscribe to Dialogue only 5.9% subscribe or read regularly FAIR.</p>
<p>Questions:</p>
<p>Are these results surprising to you?  If so why?</p>
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A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows
In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior [...]]]></description>
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<p>A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows</p>
<p>In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. <a href="http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com/">http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com </a>The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes.</p>
<p>Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church.<span id="more-8674"></span></p>
<p>They did hundreds of hours of interviews over two years and edited it down to a 55 minute film. The film is very moving&#8211;a tribute to those who shared their stories as well as DeMillia and Lavery&#8217;s videography and editing skills.</p>
<p>About two dozen people appear in interviews in the film. Each story is unique, but a common thread runs throughout them all. All faced a similar rejection by family, friends and community.  Some of those interviewed have left the church. Others no longer believe, but remain active because of family or community pressure. The latter are filmed in shadows, to obscure their identity. The film refers to these people as “Shadow Mormons.” They define &#8220;Shadow Mormons&#8221; as those who privately do not accept the exacting doctrine of the Church, but publicly profess to be true believers. They are in shadow to protect their relationships with family, friends and employers.</p>
<p>Someone commented to me after the film, “That&#8217;s you. You&#8217;re a Shadow Mormon.”</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Shadow Mormon. Maybe that&#8217;s why this film hit me so hard. I haven&#8217;t believed in over 20 years – most of my adult life. Yet, during that time I&#8217;ve paid my tithing, gone to the temple, served in bishoprics and high councils and done all the things that were expected of me. Why? Because I am tied to the church by family and community.</p>
<p>The story of &#8220;Grace&#8221; (not her real name) resonated with me because it was so similar to mine. Her pain, and anger, were born of all the energy she has given to a religion that she doesn&#8217;t believe in. Finding out that the Church was not true was like a death experience for her. Like me, she tried following the Church&#8217;s teachings to fast, pray, read the scriptures and yet never felt she received the &#8220;burning in her bosom&#8221; that is promised in the scriptures.</p>
<p>What of the families and communities of these people? What are their stories, their experiences with loved ones who go through a process of losing belief and leaving the church. Only one person who was a family or friend agreed to be interviewed for the film. The believing husband that was interviewed told how he still loved his wife, even though she has left the church. What about the others? Are they embarrassed to say that the Church was more important than their relationship with the person who left?</p>
<p>The saddest stories, to me, were of divorce caused by one spouse believing and the other not believing. Michelle (another woman interviewed in the film) said her heart was broken that her husband would choose the Church over her. He told their marriage therapist that if she had not been Mormon he never would have married her. &#8220;There was more to me than being a Mormon,&#8221; she said.  &#8220;And I thought that there was more to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>The dictionary defines empathy as “the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.” We could all use a little more empathy for those around us. I have had several people tell me, “I can&#8217;t imagine how a person could leave the church.” Either they need a better imagination or they need more empathy.  Maybe they just need to see this film.</p>
<p>One of the questions at the screening&#8211;one that Lavery could not answer&#8211;was, “How do we get the right people to see this film?” Sadly, many members of the church would not even consider it. (It screened in Salt Lake City in October and got almost no media coverage.) The film does not try to de-convert anyone or disparage the doctrine of the church. It doesn&#8217;t assert that someone is right because he or she believes, or that someone else is right because he or she leaves the church. This film is about accepting people regardless of what they believe, and about how we treat those who believe differently than we do. I wish every member of the church could see this film.</p>
<p>Film Trailer: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
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		<title>Temple Wedding Petition</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A temple wedding petition to is being circulated to promote love and happiness in the family by changing the church&#8217;s stance on civil marriages preceding temple weddings. The petition requests that the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make it acceptable to have a civil marriage ceremony first, if desired, and then [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-8498" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Petition-274x300.jpg" alt="Petition" width="274" height="300" />A temple wedding petition to is being circulated to promote love and happiness in the family by changing the church&#8217;s stance on civil marriages preceding temple weddings. The petition requests that the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make it acceptable to have a civil marriage ceremony first, if desired, and then giving the couple the necessary time to attend the temple for the sealing ordinance as they do in those countries whose laws require it.  (The petition is not endorsed by Mormon Matters; this information is being shared for discussion as a news item).</p>
<p>In the following video which lasts about 2 minutes, Jean talks about the stigma some members may feel if they choose a civil wedding ceremony. The other preseding videos last approximately 2 minutes each.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdS1u8LeJU&amp;NR=1">Temple Wedding Petition 3 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwEpA-lFsX8&amp;NR=1"><span id="more-8492"></span>Temple Wedding Petition 1 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf3JPeT69Lg&amp;NR=1">Temple Wedding Petition 2 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/">Temple Wedding Petition .org here</a></p>
<p>The actual petition is found <a href="http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/enter/4952.html">here</a></p>
<p>I was raised in a part member family and remember when my brother was married my parents were disappointed that they weren&#8217;t able to go to the temple and see their son get married. It would have been nice for our family to have seen it. I wonder if it makes non- members, or those on the fringe, feel excluded from the church and may damper future missionary work with families. I live in England and it&#8217;s the law that there is a civil wedding which usually takes place in the chapel.</p>
<p>Recently a nephew was married and was schedueled to get married in the Salt Lake temple. Because much of the family couldn&#8217;t witness the wedding they decided last minute to have a civil wedding. He and his wife since their marriage enjoy going to the temple but have to wait a year now to be married in the temple.</p>
<p>I wonder if there is a church loophol if you want your non- member family to see your wedding you could get married in America and fly to a country where the church allows civil marriages followed by a temple marriage after?</p>
<p>What are your thoughts and experiences?</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Just to make it very clear that there is no advocacy on the part of MM</strong></span>.</p>
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		<title>Brother Brigham Brother Young</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently I drove up Little Cottonwood  Canyon with my brother and nephew.  This is the canyon in which many of your ancestors pulled out  the granite for the construction of the salt lake temple. As soon as we passed the granite facings on the side of the canyon my nephew played a song on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-8451" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/corb-lund1.bmp" alt="corb lund" width="168" height="253" />Recently I drove up Little Cottonwood  Canyon with my brother and nephew.  This is the canyon in which many of your ancestors pulled out  the granite for the construction of the salt lake temple. As soon as we passed the granite facings on the side of the canyon my nephew played a song on his iPod by Corb Lund Brother Brigham Brother Young and it brought mental flashes into my mind of men working on the side of the mountain blasting granite out of it.    It made me think of the struggles that men and women had even back then with the faith in many ways very similar to our day. From what I have read Mr Lund isn&#8217;t LDS but has relatives that are. Im assuming one of his relatives is a historian buff? Its probably safe to presume this song will never be played in a chapel <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  but I can&#8217;t help liking it!  You can listen to his song <a href="http://www.last.fm/music/Corb+Lund/_/Brother+Brigham,+Brother+Young">Here<span id="more-8449"></span></a></strong></p>
<p><strong>Brother Brigham Brother Young</strong></p>
<p>music and lyrics by Corb Lund</p>
<p>I have sinned so gravely Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
I have sinned so gravely Brother Young<br />
That only you can save me Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
That only you can save me Brother Young</p>
<p>I have revealed the temples secrets Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
The temple garments, oaths and secrets Brother Young<br />
I have apostatized and doubted Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
And borne my testimony falsely Brother Young</p>
<p>And I have loved a woman Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
A woman in adultery Brother Young<br />
I have also wed a negress Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
My fifth wife has some color Brigham Young</p>
<p>I now see that you&#8217;re a prophet Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
A living, breathing prophet Brother Young<br />
And now I believe the revelations Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
I now believe your revelations, every one</p>
<p>Even the ones beyond all reason Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
Even the ones beyond all reason Brother Young<br />
For you&#8217;re the Lord&#8217;s own earthly prophet Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
And he’s simply testing in our faith o Brigham Young</p>
<p>My only hope for exaltation Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
My only chance for exaltation Brother Young<br />
Is to send me o&#8217;er the rim of the basin Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
The rim of the Great Salt Lake Basin Brother Young</p>
<p>For water cannot save me Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
Baptismal water cannot save me Brigham Young<br />
My sins are just too deep a dye o Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
My sins are just too deep a stain o Brother Young</p>
<p>So send Avenging Angels Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
Won&#8217;t you send Destroying Danites Brother Young<br />
To spill my blood upon the earth o Brother Brigham, Brother Young</p>
<p>So what do you think?</p>
<p>Do you find the song offensive?</p>
<p>Is it historicaly accurate of what may have happened to some of the saints in the salt lake valley?</p>
<p>Does it bare some similarites to what we have gone through in our day or not?</p>
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		<title>Peruvian Setting for the Book of Mormon</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/03/peruvian-setting-for-the-book-of-mormon/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been some time since we talked about alternative Book of Mormon geography theories.  For those new to the site, you may want to see some of these other theories I mentioned:  Malay, and South America.
From time to time, I get an email from George Potter.  He has a website called the Nephi Project.  I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been some time since we talked about alternative Book of Mormon geography theories.  For those new to the site, you may want to see some of these other theories I mentioned:  <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/">Malay</a>, and <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/01/a-south-american-setting-for-book-of-mormon/">South America</a>.</p>
<p>From time to time, I get an email from George Potter.  He has a website called <a href="http://www.nephiproject.com" target="_blank">the Nephi Project</a>.  I heard him speak a few years ago on research he has done in Yemen.  His research is pretty well-respected, and it appears he has a very good candidate for Nephi&#8217;s Harbor, and he may have found the River Laman in Saudi Arabia that is mentioned by Lehi in the Book of Mormon.  (I really need to write a review of his and another researcher&#8217;s work&#8211;they are really good.)  Potter thinks that Lehi and his family followed the frankincense trail to Yemen before setting sail for the New World.</p>
<p><span id="more-8475"></span>George has recently shifted his focus from the Old World to the New World.  George is a proponent that the Book of Mormon lands are in Peru.  His latest newsletter dated Oct 13, 2009, says,<br />
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<blockquote><p><strong>10 Reasons Why the Book of Mormon Took Place in Peru</strong></p>
<p>By George Potter</p>
<p>My new book, <em>Nephi in the Promised Land</em> is now available in the Nephi Project Discovery Store. When I started writing <em>Nephi in the Promised Land</em>, several people questioned my efforts. I heard typical comments like these: &#8220;The Book of Mormon people were the Mound Builders of North America.&#8221; &#8220;I took a cruise to Mexico, and our LDS guide showed us the ruins of Zarahemla.&#8221; While these members are sincere in their beliefs, they must either have an extremely limited knowledge of New World archaeology, or their version of the <em>Book of Mormon</em> is quite different from the one I grew up reading. Here is what my copy of the <em>Book of Mormon</em> states:</p>
<p>1.  The Book of Mormon was inscribed on metal plates.</p>
<p>2.  The Nephites mined gold and also worked copper and silver.</p>
<p><strong>3.  The Nephites made swords of steel, a derivative of iron.</strong></p>
<p>4.  The people of the <em>Book of Mormon</em> had herds of animals that could be described as sheep.</p>
<p>5.  They also had animals that were described as horses.</p>
<p>6.  The Nephites had a Semitic-like language.</p>
<p>7.  The Nephites had a written language that became lost (Jacob 4:1,2).</p>
<p>8.  The Nephites and Jaredites worshipped a white god who had the form of a man.</p>
<p>9.  The Nephites had costly apparel.</p>
<p>10. The Jaredites built cities has early as the third millennium B.C.</p>
<p>These ten characteristics of the Book of Mormon people are not fringe elements of their storyline. During the next three months I will discuss, one by one, each of these elements of the <em>Book of Mormon</em> account and why they all point to Peru.</p></blockquote>
<p>The newsletter lists a few more of the reasons Potter likes Peru. I&#8217;ve previously quoted from Potter&#8217;s newsletter when he heralded an <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/">iron ore discovery</a> and <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/" target="_self">Cohen DNA</a> in Peru.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Did Elder Holland Denounce or Carefully Avoid the &#8220;Inspired Fiction&#8221; Theory?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If someone can find something in the Book of Mormon, anything that they love or respond to or find dear, I applaud that and say more power to you. That&#8217;s what I find, too. And that should not in any way discount somebody&#8217;s liking a passage here or a passage there or the whole idea [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7825" title="hollandp" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hollandp-150x140.jpg" alt="hollandp" width="150" height="140" /><em>If someone can find something in the Book of Mormon, anything that they love or respond to or find dear, I applaud that and say more power to you. That&#8217;s what I find, too. And that should not in any way discount somebody&#8217;s liking a passage here or a passage there or the whole idea of the book, but not agreeing to its origin, its divinity. . . .  [W]e have many people who are members of the church who do not have some burning conviction as to its origins, who have some other feeling about it that is not as committed to foundational statements and the premises of Mormonism. But we&#8217;re not going to invite somebody out of the church over that any more than we would anything else about degrees of belief or steps of hope or steps of conviction. . . . We would say: &#8220;This is the way I see it, and this is the faith I have; this is the foundation on which I&#8217;m going forward. If I can help you work toward that I&#8217;d be glad to, but I don&#8217;t love you less; I don&#8217;t distance you more; I don&#8217;t say you&#8217;re unacceptable to me as a person or even as a Latter-day Saint if you can&#8217;t make that step or move to the beat of that drum.&#8221; . . .  We really don&#8217;t want to sound smug. We don&#8217;t want to seem uncompromising and insensitive. -Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, Mar. 6, 2006. (</em><a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html"><em>Source</em></a><em>.)</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>I testify that one cannot come to full faith in this Latter-day work and thereby find the fullest measure of peace and comfort in these our times until he or she embraces the divinity of the Book of Mormon and the Lord Jesus Christ of whom it testifies. If anyone is foolish enough or misled enough to reject 531 pages of a heretofore unknown text, teeming with literary and Semitic complexity, without honestly attempting to account for the origin of those pages somehow&#8211;especially without accounting for their powerful witness of Jesus Christ and the profound spiritual impact that witness has had on what is now tens of millions of readers&#8211;if that&#8217;s the case then such persons, elect or otherwise, have been deceived. And if they leave this Church, they must to do so by crawling over, or under, or around the Book of Mormon to make their exit.&#8221; -Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, Oct. 4, 2009.  (</em><a href="http://broadcast.lds.org/genconf/2009/10/50/GC_2009_10_503_HollandJR___eng_.wmv"><em>Source</em></a><em>.)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>When Elder Holland delivered his stinging rebuke to Book of Mormon critics in his General Conference address last Sunday, reactions ranged from <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/10/04/sunday-afternoon-general-conference-the-only-true-and-living-session-with-which-the-nacle-is-well-pleased/">&#8220;woots&#8221; and &#8220;double woots&#8221;</a> by literalist believers of the Book of Mormon, to disappointment by those who felt Elder Holland was backtracking on his prior statement that Church members who don&#8217;t believe the traditional story of its origins should <em>not</em> be considered &#8220;unacceptable . . . as a Latter-day Saint if [they] can&#8217;t make that step or move to the beat of that drum.&#8221;  However, after listening carefully to Elder Holland&#8217;s address again, I think both camps might be mistaken about what Elder Holland was intending to say, particularly with regard to the &#8220;Inspired Fiction&#8221; theory of the Book of Mormon.<span id="more-7796"></span></p>
<p><strong><em>The Inspired Fiction Theory and Its Scriptural Precedents</em></strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7832" title="jonah-whale" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/jonah-whale-150x150.jpg" alt="jonah-whale" width="150" height="150" />For those who may not be familiar with the Inspired Fiction theory, it goes something like this:  Scripture is a vehicle that teaches us divine truths through the medium of divinely-inspired stories which are oftentimes fictional. Just a few of the more obvious examples would be the parables contained in the New Testament, or the fantastic stories in the Old Testament (Noah and the Ark, Moses&#8217; divine cursing of Egypt, Jonah living three days in the belly of a whale, etc.).  These seemingly obvious examples of divinely-inspired fiction are no less important or valuable as sources of divine guidance than had they been literally true.  For example, the stories of the Prodigal Son or the Good Samaritan do not have to be based on literal historic events to have spiritual value.  Moreover, the fact that Jesus openly used fictional stories to teach timeless truths establishes an example and a pattern of God teaching his children spiritual truths through stories that are not grounded in literal, historic fact.</p>
<p>Latter-day Saint Apostles and scholars have embraced the notion that scripture may be divinely-inspired fiction.  For example, Apostle Parley P. Pratt stated that the Creation story was the equivalent of a child&#8217;s fable because humankind has not been intellectually equipped throughout the ages to understand its true origins.  (See <em>Temples of the Most High</em>.)</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7833" title="fac1" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fac1-150x150.gif" alt="fac1" width="150" height="150" />Moreover, faithful LDS scholars who have examined the surviving Egyptian papyri that were in Joseph Smith&#8217;s possession (which contain the facsimiles that appear in the Book of Abraham <a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/books/?bookid=40&amp;chapid=168">but which date from around 100 &#8211; 250 B.C. rather than from Abraham&#8217;s much earlier era</a>) have theorized that perhaps the Book of Abraham was not <em>translated</em> from Egyptian papyri even though Joseph Smith said it was, but rather, that the Book of Abraham was a divine revelation that Joseph was able to receive only after his mind was opened and prepared to receive it by examining the Egyptian papyri in his possession. (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  In other words, faithful LDS scholars hypothesize that despite Joseph&#8217;s claim that the Book of Abraham was &#8220;A Translation of some ancient Records, that have fallen into our hands from the catacombs of Egypt—The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus,&#8221; the papyrus merely served as a &#8220;catalyst&#8221; to inspire a divine revelation that was, in fact, <em>not</em> contained on the Egyptian papyri in his possession.  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  These LDS scholars feel comfortable with this possibility because, as one LDS apologetics forum explains: &#8220;Joseph used the word &#8216;<em>translation</em>&#8216; to mean several things, <em>including the process of receiving pure revelation</em>. (Joseph Smith&#8217;s revelations call his revision of the Bible a &#8220;translation&#8221; (<a style="text-decoration: none; color: #3366bb; background-image: url(http://en.fairmormon.org/wiki/skins/monobook/external.png); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 13px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background-position: 100% 50%;" title="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=D%26C+73%3A4%3B+D%26C+76%3A15%3B+D%26C+90%3A13%3B+D%26C+94%3A10%3B+D%26C+124%3A89" rel="nofollow" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=D%26C+73%3A4%3B+D%26C+76%3A15%3B+D%26C+90%3A13%3B+D%26C+94%3A10%3B+D%26C+124%3A89">D&amp;C 73:4; 76:15; 90:13; 94:10; 124</a>), even though he didn&#8217;t use any Hebrew of Greek manuscripts. Also, D&amp;C 7 is a revealed translation of a lost record written by the Apostle John.)&#8221;  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  Again, it is worth emphasizing that, according to faithful LDS apologists, Joseph Smith is known to have used the word &#8220;translation&#8221; to mean &#8220;the process of receiving pure revelation,&#8221; as opposed to literally translating words in an ancient record from one language to another.  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  Thus, faithful LDS scholars have no qualms with the possibility that Joseph may have <em>thought</em> he was producing a &#8220;translation&#8221; of an ancient record when in reality he was receiving and recording &#8220;pure revelation&#8221; that was <em>unconnected</em> to any ancient record, even when a physical object such as Egyptian papyri were present.  The overall concept is that Joseph&#8217;s revelations were divinely inspired <em>even if he didn&#8217;t completely understand the process</em> through which those revelations were received.</p>
<p><strong><em>Resistance to, and Acceptance of, the Inspired Fiction Theory</em></strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7834" title="liahona" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/liahona-150x150.jpg" alt="liahona" width="150" height="150" />When it comes to applying this same sort of theory to the Book of Mormon, however, the resistance sometimes becomes fierce.  It seems most LDS leaders and scholars are unwilling to extend this same theory to the Book of Mormon, and are deeply disturbed by any suggestion that the Book of Mormon represents anything less than an actual <em>translation</em> of Reformed Egyptian characters into English taken from an <em>actual historical record</em> written by <em>real persons </em>living anciently in the Middle East and on the American continent.  It is worth noting that this resistance to the Inspired Fiction theory persists even though LDS scholars now believe Joseph Smith and his contemporary Latter-day Saints were <em>mistaken</em> when they made many statements indicating their belief that the Book of Mormon accounts had taken place over large swaths of the North American continent.  (<a href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Brochures/Where_Did_the_Book_of_Mormon_Take_Place.pdf">Source</a>.)</p>
<p>In summary, most LDS scholars are comfortable stating that Joseph Smith did not actually <em>&#8220;translate&#8221;</em> the Book of Abraham and the Bible as that word is commonly understood, and that he was <em>mistaken</em> in thinking that the Book of Mormon accounts took place over large swaths of the North American continent (rather than a relatively small area in Guatemala and southern Mexico), but they are <em>unwilling</em> to allow for the possibility that Joseph Smith also <em>mistakenly</em> believed the Book of Mormon was a <em>translation</em> of an actual ancient record.</p>
<p>Some may ask: Why resist applying the Inspired Fiction theory to the Book of Mormon?  Why resist the idea that God inspired Joseph Smith to dictate the Book of Mormon to teach us divine truths through the medium of divinely-inspired stories that are equally fictional but no less valuable than the parables of Jesus?  Why resist the idea that Lehi, Nephi and others were divinely-inspired characters in a grand divine novel rather than real persons who actually lived in the ancient Americas?  Why resist the idea that Joseph mistakenly thought the Book of Mormon was a &#8220;translation&#8221; of an ancient record written by actual ancient prophets, similar to his mistakenly thinking he was translating the Egyptian papyri in his possession when he received the revelation that is the Book of Abraham?  In a prior interview, Elder Holland explained why he has difficulty embracing the Inspired Fiction theory:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="color: #333333;"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7837" title="Moroni_and_Joseph2" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Moroni_and_Joseph2-150x150.jpg" alt="Moroni_and_Joseph2" width="150" height="150" /><span style="color: #000000;">Now, in terms of more modern theories, there are those who say it&#8217;s more mythical literature and spiritual, and not literal. That doesn&#8217;t work for me. I don&#8217;t understand that, and I can&#8217;t go very far with that, because Joseph Smith said there were plates, and he said there was an angel. And if there weren&#8217;t plates and there wasn&#8217;t an angel, I have a bigger problem than whether the Book of Mormon is rich literature. . . . I have to go with what the prophet said about the book, about its origins, about the literalness of the plates, the literalness of the vision &#8212; and then the product speaks for itself.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re through examining the depth, the richness, the profundity, the complexity, all of the literary and historical and religious issues that go into that book. I think we&#8217;re still young at doing that. But the origins for me are the origins that the prophet Joseph said: a set of plates, given by an angel, translated by the gift and power of God. . . . (<a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html">Source</a>.)</span></p></blockquote>
<p>However, some LDS scholars, usually those whose conclusions fall outside the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; of what Church leaders and Church-funded scholars are comfortable accepting, view the Inspired Fiction theory as a favorable &#8220;middle ground&#8221; position where Latter-day Saints can continue to reverence the Book of Mormon as divinely-inspired scripture without having to believe it is an actual translation of an actual ancient record written by real people, and thereby avoiding the numerous challenges to the Book of Mormon&#8217;s historicity that currently keep a team of Church-funded scholars employed to research and respond to.   However, as LDS scholar Louis Midgley has explained, such a &#8220;middle ground&#8221; position is harmful to the Church&#8217;s tradition and interests:</p>
<blockquote><p>Some may ask: why not find a way to reduce the controversy over the Book of Mormon? What harm can such an accommodation do? The reasons for rejecting such compromises seem obvious to me. For one thing, the Book of Mormon is, more than anything else, what keeps the Church of Jesus Christ from becoming just another Protestant sect or social welfare agency. Its existence makes of Joseph Smith something other than a mere quaint or colorful example in a line of Christian primitivists or restorationists. In addition, the Book of Mormon was what witnessed to those who first became members of the fledgling Church of Christ that Joseph Smith wore the mantle of a genuine prophet, as it does to those who are currently believing and practicing Latter-day Saints. And its existence has, more than any other single thing, right from the beginning, distinguished the Latter-day Saints from various brands of Protestant sectarian religiosity. (<a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/review/?vol=6&amp;num=1&amp;id=140">Source</a>.)</p></blockquote>
<p><strong><em>Did Elder Holland Denounce or Carefully Avoid the Inspired Fiction Theory?</em></strong></p>
<p>Though it is clear that Elder Holland&#8217;s recent Conference address denounced all theories that portray Joseph Smith as having <em>knowingly</em> <em>fabricated</em> a book that he <em>knew</em> was <em>not</em> <em>divinely-inspired</em>, it is less clear to me after carefully listening to Elder Holland&#8217;s talk whether he was likewise intending to denounce the Inspired Fiction theory that portrays Joseph as receiving and dictating a <em>divinely-inspired </em>but fictional history of Israelites emigrating to and settling in ancient America as a medium for conveying spiritual truths and doctrines that promote the happiness, peace, and spiritual well-being of humankind.  As you read the portions of Elder Holland&#8217;s address quoted below, it is important to keep in mind the distinction between what Elder Holland personally believes about the Book of Mormon, and what he is comfortable allowing other faithful Latter-day Saints to believe about its origins (as we see reflected in the very first Holland quote above).  Although it is clear that Elder Holland <em>personally</em> believes the Book of Mormon is an actual translation of an actual ancient historical record, and although it is likewise clear he finds it utterly unacceptable for any Latter-day Saint to believe that Joseph Smith <em>knowingly</em>, and therefore <em>deceptively</em>, <em>fabricated</em> the Book of Mormon, ask yourself as you read Elder Holland&#8217;s remarks whether he allows for faithful Latter-day Saints to believe that the Book of Mormon was <em>divinely-inspired</em>, but that Joseph was simply <em>mistaken</em> in saying it was a translation of an actual physical historical record (as LDS scholars are willing to accept when it comes to the Book of Abraham and the Egyptian papyri Joseph Smith believed he was &#8220;translating&#8221;).   For example, when Elder Holland states that Latter-day Saints are &#8220;<em>deceived</em>&#8221; unless they believe in the &#8220;<em>divinity</em>&#8221; of the Book of Mormon, does that mean he feels Latter-day Saints are deceived if they believe it is <em>divinely-inspired</em> fiction?</p>
<p>In my view, Elder Holland selected his words very carefully, I suspect for the purpose of allowing faithful Latter-day Saints to hold a position that he personally does not share: that the Book of Mormon was <em>divinely-inspired, </em>but that Joseph did not recognize its stories as being <em>fictional</em> (again, similar to LDS apologists&#8217; theory that Joseph <em>mistakenly</em> believed the Book of Abraham was an actual translation of an actual historical record, rather than <em>knowingly lying</em> about it, and similar to LDS apologists&#8217; assertion that Joseph was <em>mistaken</em> in believing that the Book of Mormon actually took place over large swaths of North America, rather than <em>knowingly lying</em> about it).  And now, without further ado, the relevant portions of Elder Holland&#8217;s talk (as transcribed by me from the audio recording):</p>
<blockquote><p>There is one kind of latter-day destruction that has always sounded to me more personal than public, more individual than collective, a warning perhaps more applicable inside the Church than outside it.  The Savior warned in the last days, even those of the covenant, the very elect, could be deceived by the enemy of truth. . . .  [Elder Holland then identifies the Book of Mormon as a source of divine guidance in the Latter-days, summarizes Lehi's dream, focusing on the rod of iron and the mists of darkness, and relates a story of Hyrum reading a Book of Mormon passage to bring comfort to the party on their way to Carthage jail.]</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7840" title="smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD-150x150.jpg" alt="smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD" width="150" height="150" />Later, when actually incarcerated in the jail, Joseph the Prophet turned to the guards that held him captive and bore a powerful testimony of the <em>divine authenticity</em> of the Book of Mormon.  Shortly thereafter, pistol and ball would take the lives of these two testators. As one of a thousand elements of my own testimony of the <em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon, I submit this as yet one more evidence of its <em>truthfulness</em>.  In this their greatest and last hour of need, I ask you, would these men blaspheme before God by continuing to fix their lives, their honor, and their own search for eternal salvation on a book, and by implication a church and a ministry, they had fictitiously created out of whole cloth?!  . . . [A]nd tell me, whether in this hour of death, these two men would enter the presence of their eternal judge, quoting from, and finding solace in, a book which if not the very <em>word of God</em> would brand them as impostors and charlatans until the end of time.  They would not do that!   They were willing to die, rather than deny the <em>divine origin</em> and the <em>eternal truthfulness</em> of the Book of Mormon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Elder Holland&#8217;s choice of words above is interesting.  A Latter-day Saint who believes the Book of Mormon represents divinely-inspired fiction would whole-heartedly agree with his remarks about the Book of Mormon&#8217;s &#8220;divine authenticity,&#8221; &#8220;divinity,&#8221; &#8220;truthfulness,&#8221; &#8220;divine origin,&#8221; and &#8220;eternal truthfulness,&#8221; in the same way he or she would embrace the &#8220;divine authenticity&#8221; and &#8220;divine origin&#8221; and &#8220;eternal truthfulness&#8221; of Jesus&#8217; parables or any number of the fantastic stories in the Old Testatment.  Moreover, when Elder Holland uses the word &#8220;fictitiously&#8221; above, it&#8217;s seems he almost certainly means that Joseph would not have <em>knowingly</em> fictitiously created the Book of Mormon, as opposed to his receiving a divine revelation that he did not <em>recognize</em> as being a fictional spiritual history (again, in the same way LDS apologists hypothesize with regard to the Book of Abraham).  This line of thought continues in the next paragraph, where he denounces the various theories that portray Joseph as <em>knowingly</em> plagiarizing from other works to create the Book of Mormon, or <em>knowingly</em> fabricating it out of whole cloth:</p>
<blockquote><p>Failed theories about its origins have been born, parroted, and died.  From Ethan Smith to Solomon Spaulding, to deranged paranoid to cunning genius.  None of these frankly pathetic answers for this book has ever withstood examination because there is no other answer than the one Joseph gave as its young, unlearned translator. . .  .  &#8220;No wicked man could write such a book as this, and no good man would write it, unless it were true, and he were commanded of God to do so.&#8221;   I testify that one cannot come to full faith in this Latter-day work and thereby find the fullest measure of peace and comfort in these our times until he or she <em>embraces the </em><em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon and the Lord Jesus Christ of whom it testifies.  If anyone is foolish enough or misled enough to reject 531 pages of a heretofore unknown text, teeming with literary and Semitic complexity, without honestly attempting to account for the origin of those pages somehow&#8211;especially without accounting for their powerful witness of Jesus Christ and the profound spiritual impact that witness has had on what is now tens of millions of readers&#8211;if that&#8217;s the case then such persons, elect or otherwise, have been <em>deceived</em>.  And if they leave this Church, they must to do so by crawling over, or under, or around the Book of Mormon to make their exit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, I do not see anything here that should cause Latter-day Saints who ascribe to the Inspired Fiction theory of the Book of Mormon&#8217;s origins to feel as if they&#8217;ve been pronounced &#8220;deceived&#8221; by Elder Holland.  While he obviously sees &#8220;Semitic complexity&#8221; in the Book of Mormon, which he plainly relies upon to support his personal view that it represents literal history, he does so in the context of denouncing those those who deny the Book of Mormon&#8217;s <em>divinity</em>.  Of course, those who ascribe to the Inspired Fiction are in full agreement with Elder Holland about the <em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon, and could further believe that any genuine &#8220;Semitic complexity&#8221; within its pages was <em>divinely-inspired</em> as well.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7829" title="2009_gardner_02" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/2009_gardner_02-150x150.jpg" alt="2009_gardner_02" width="150" height="150" />Elder Holland then cited as support for his position that witnesses to the Gold Plates, some of whom were later sometimes hostile to Joseph, testified to their death that they had seen an angel and had handled the Gold Plates by the power of God and not the power of man.  Thus, Elder Holland plainly believes in the literal existence of Gold Plates, and views them as being the source material for the Book of Mormon, along with &#8220;gift and power of God&#8221; to translate them.  However, there is no plain denunciation of those who believe the Gold Plates could have been an angelically-provided object that served as a catalyst to open and prepare Joseph&#8217;s mind to receive the Book of Mormon through revelation, in the same way that LDS apologists posit Joseph received the &#8220;pure revelation&#8221; of the Book of Abraham after examining the catalyst to that revelation, namely, the Egyptian papyri in his possession.  Moreover, this would explain the accounts where Joseph &#8220;translated&#8221; the Book of Mormon while he gazed into a seer stone placed in his hat, rather than by reading from the characters on the Gold Plates.  (<a href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2009_Joseph_the_Seer.html">Source</a>.)</p>
<p>Elder Holland continues:</p>
<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7841" title="FribergMormonFarewell" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/FribergMormonFarewell-150x150.jpg" alt="FribergMormonFarewell" width="150" height="150" />Now, I did not sail with the brother of Jared . . .  . I did not hear King Benjamin speak his angelically-delivered sermon.  I did not proselyte with Alma and Amulek . . . .  I was not among the Nephite crowd who touched the wounds of the resurrected Lord, nor did I weep with Mormon and Moroni over the destruction of an entire civilization.   But my testimony of this record and the peace it brings to the human heart is as binding and unequivocal as was theirs.  Like them, I give my name unto the world to witness unto the world of that which I have seen, and like them, I lie not,  God bearing witness of it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose one could read the quote above cynically to mean that Elder Holland said he didn&#8217;t do any of these things because they never actually happened, but I don&#8217;t believe for a second that was his intended meaning.  It seems this passage again demonstrates Elder Holland&#8217;s belief that these were actual historic events.  But is that the equivalent of saying that those Latter-day Saints who do not share that belief are <em>&#8220;deceived&#8221;? </em>I personally don&#8217;t think so, because when he referred to Latter-day Saints being &#8220;deceived&#8221; about the Book of Mormon earlier in his remarks, he did so in the context of identifying those who deny the Book of Mormon&#8217;s <em>divinity.</em> Moreover, if at any point in his talk Elder Holland intended to say that faithful Latter-day Saints <em>must</em> believe the Book of Mormon is a <em>literal historical account of real people</em>, he could easily have just said so.  For example, he could have easily testified to the Book of Mormon&#8217;s &#8220;historical truthfulness&#8221; or &#8220;historical authenticity&#8221; but instead, he chose to testify of its &#8220;<em>divinity</em>&#8221; and &#8220;<em>eternal truthfulness</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Elder Holland concluded with his personal testimony of the Book of Mormon:</p>
<blockquote><p>I want it absolutely clear when I stand before the judgment bar of God that I declared to the world in the most straightforward language I can summon, that the Book of Mormon is <em>true</em>, that <em>it came forth the way Joseph said it came forth</em>, and was given to bring happiness and hope to the faithful in the travail of the last days.  My witness echoes that of Nephi, who wrote part of the book in his last days, &#8220;hearken unto <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span> and <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span>; and <span class="searchword">if</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> not <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span>.  And <span class="searchword">if</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> <span class="searchword">shall</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> will <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span>, for they are the <span class="searchword">words</span> of <span class="searchword">Christ</span>, . . . and they teach all men that they should do good.  And <span class="searchword">if</span> they are not the <span class="searchword">words</span> of <span class="searchword">Christ</span>, judge <span class="searchword">ye</span>—for <span class="searchword">Christ</span> will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his <span class="searchword">words</span>, at the last day.</p>
<p>Remember this declaration by Jesus himself: &#8220;Whoso treasureth up my word shall not be decieved.&#8221; And in the last days, neither your heart nor faith will fail you.   Of this I earnestly testify, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen</p></blockquote>
<p>Once again, a Latter-day Saint who ascribes to the Inspired Fiction theory would have no problem echoing Elder Holland&#8217;s testimony that the Book of Mormon is &#8220;true&#8221; any more than the average LDS apologist would bristle at the suggestion that that the parables of Jesus, or the Book of Abraham or the Joseph Smith&#8221;translation&#8221; of the Bible, are &#8220;true&#8221;&#8211;even though those are all recognized by LDS apologists as potentially being divinely-inspired fiction and not literal translations of actual historical records in Joseph&#8217;s possession.</p>
<p>Finally, I can&#8217;t help noting what I feel must have been carefully chosen wording by Elder Holland in saying that the Book of Mormon &#8220;came forth the way Joseph said it came forth.&#8221;  This language struck me because it reminded me of a passage in an official Church text book used in CES Institute and BYU Religion classes, <em>Church History in the Fullness of Times</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7842" title="Translating" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Translating-150x150.jpg" alt="Translating" width="150" height="150" /><em>Little is known</em> about the actual process of translating the record, primarily because <em>those who knew the most about the translation, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, said the least about it</em>.  Moreover, Martin Harris, David Whitmer, and Emma Smith, who assisted Joseph, left no contemporary descriptions.  The sketchy accounts they recorded much later in life were often contradictory.</p>
<p>The Prophet was <em>reluctant to give the details about the translation</em>.  In a Church conference held 25-26 October 1831 in Orange, Ohio, Hyrum requested that a firsthand account of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon be given.  But the Prophet said, &#8220;It was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.&#8221;  Joseph explained in an open letter to a newspaper editor in 1833 the heart of the matter, but he gave few particulars, stating that the Book of Mormon was &#8220;found through the ministration of an holy angel, and translated into our own language by the gift and power of God.&#8221;  (Church History in the Fullness of Times, p. 58, Church Education System, 1993.)</p></blockquote>
<p>This passage raises some interesting questions:  Why did Joseph and Oliver say so little about the method of translation of the Book of Mormon?  Why was Joseph Smith &#8220;reluctant to give the details about the translation&#8221;?  When Joseph Smith&#8217;s own brother Hyrum, who obviously believed in the Book of Mormon, asked Joseph to give a firsthand account of its coming forth to a Church conference, why did Joseph answer that &#8220;[i]t was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon&#8221;?  Why did Joseph stick to generalities about the Book of Mormon being translated &#8220;by the gift and power of God&#8221;?</p>
<p>Elder Holland&#8217;s fervent testimony that the Book of Mormon &#8220;came forth in the way Joseph said it came forth&#8221; takes on an interesting meaning when examined in the context of these statements.  It seems he too was testifying, in general terms, that the Book of Mormon came forth &#8220;by the gift and power of God,&#8221; which is a statement that adherents to the Inspired Fiction theory can fully agree with.</p>
<p>So what do you think?  Did Elder Holland intend to denounce the Inspired Fiction theory along with all other non-traditional theories about its orgins, or did he, consistent with his words in the first quote above, intentionally and carefully avoid it to provide room within the Church for those for whom the Inspired Fiction theory serves as a lifeline that keeps them tethered to the Church?</p>
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		<title>Scripture Inerrancy, Literalism, and Pres Veazey</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are those (especially among Evangelicals) who believe that the Bible is inerrant and literal.  For example a scriptural literalist will claim that Noah&#8217;s flood covered the entire earth.  A non-literalist may say that the flood was merely a large localized flood.
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<p>There are those (especially among Evangelicals) who believe that the Bible is inerrant and literal.  For example a scriptural literalist will claim that Noah&#8217;s flood covered the entire earth.  A non-literalist may say that the flood was merely a large localized flood.</p>
<p>Pres. Stephen Veazey is the prophet for the Community of Christ, and he gave a sermon on scriptural literalism.  The videos can be found on the CoC website, and this quote comes from <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/presidency/AprilAddress/april0509/resources.asp">Chapter 4</a>.  Let me quote from Pres. Veazey directly:<img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-6947"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>Scripture is authoritative, not because it is perfect, or inerrant in every literal detail, but because it reliably keeps us grounded in God&#8217;s revelation.  And here is the heart of our challenge:  over the last several centuries, <strong>a doctrine of scripture emerged in Christianity that insists that all scripture, every single word, was directly dictated by God, and is inerrant in every detail</strong>.  This belief emerged as a response to the questioning of religious authority from those who held that human reason alone was the most reliable pathway to truth.  So a doctrine of scripture emerged that enshrined the literal words of scripture as inerrant and as the sole authority on all matters.</p>
<p>This view still dominates much of global Christianity today.  It also strongly influences more than a few members of the Community of Christ who have adopted it from the larger religious culture.  However, that doctrine, that view of scripture is not how scripture was understood in Christianity since its birth.  It&#8217;s not how Jesus Christ used and viewed scripture.  And it is not how the community of Christ officially views scripture today.</p>
<p>The church affirms that scripture is inspired, indispensable, essential to our knowledge of God, and the Gospel.  In addition, we believe that scripture should be interpreted responsibly, through informed study, guided by the Holy Spirit working in and through the church.  Scripture was formed by the community of faith to shape the community of faith, therefore, interpreting scripture is the constant work of the faith community.  Community of Christ also stresses, that all scripture must be interpreted through the lens of God&#8217;s most decisive revelation in Jesus Christ</p>
<p>So if portions of scripture don&#8217;t agree with our fullest understanding, of the meaning of the revelation of God in Christ, as illuminated by the Holy Spirit, and discerned by the faith community, the teachings and vision of Christ take precedence.  This principle applies to all of our books of Scripture, especially any passages by some to categorically assign to God&#8217;s disfavor, or negative characteristics, or secondary roles to others.</p>
<p>This is why our belief in continuing revelation is so important.  This belief keeps us open to yet more light and truth so we can grow and understand of God&#8217;s supreme will as revealed in Jesus Christ.  Doctrine and Covenants 163:70 states, &#8220;Scripture, prophetic guidance, knowledge and discernment must walk hand in hand to reveal the true will of God.&#8221;  Follow this pathway, which is the way of the living Christ, and you will discover more than sufficient light for the journey ahead.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I find tremendous agreement with the CoC position.  What are your thoughts?  Do you lean for or against scriptural literalism?</p>
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		<title>What if Christ&#8217;s Bones Were Found?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t know why, but I love to learn about archaeology, especially religious archaeology.  A few years ago, Simcha Jacobovici came out with a documentary and book called The Jesus Tomb.  In it, he makes a claim that the bones of Jesus may have been located in a tomb unearthed in Jerusalem.  Of course, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why, but I love to learn about archaeology, especially religious archaeology.  A few years ago, Simcha Jacobovici came out with a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Tomb-Jesus/dp/B000OHZJSC">documentary</a> and book called <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/190675.The_Jesus_Family_Tomb_The_Discovery_the_Investigation_and_the_Evidence_That_Could_Change_History">The Jesus Tomb</a>.  In it, he makes a claim that the bones of Jesus may have been located in a tomb unearthed in Jerusalem.  Of course, the <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/968.The_Da_Vinci_Code">Da Vinci Code</a>, while fiction, makes a claim that Jesus and his wife, Mary Magdalene were actually buried in France.  A few months ago, I watched a documentary called Bloodline, which actually goes further, and makes the case that yes, indeed, the bones of Christ and Mary are found in France.  (You can learn more at the <a href="http://www.bloodline-themovie.com/">official website</a>.)  I just came across a third source, which claims that Christ&#8217;s bones are actually located in India.  See <a href="http://www.tombofjesus.com/2007/india/lost_tribes.html">this website</a>.</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-6114"></span>(If you want a review of these 3, <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/05/what-if-christs-bones-were-found/">click here</a>.)  So, with Christ being resurrected, Christians would obviously find these 3 sources as problematic.  If Christ was really resurrected, there should be no bones, right?  I must say I was really intrigued by Simcha Jacobovici&#8217;s position.  Simcha is a Jew, and said that if the bones were really discovered, then it would actually give credibility to Christianity, because it would in fact give proof that Jesus was an actual person.  (Of course, there are many who claim Jesus never existed, citing lack of evidence.)</p>
<p>So, it got me thinking.  Obviously, all 3 can&#8217;t be right.  But what if one of them is right?  Critics of Christianity would loudly trumpet the fact that the resurrection couldn&#8217;t have happened if the bones were found.  They already make claims that say this discovery &#8220;would shake the foundations of Christianity&#8221;, seeming to imply that Christianity would somehow disappear.  But would it really disappear?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.  Let&#8217;s assume for sake of argument that one of these positions was scientifically proved correct&#8211;Jesus bones have been positively found.  Now, while I am sure it would cause much re-evaluation among Christians, I do not believe Christianity would vanish.  I suspect that many Christians would have to re-evaluate the resurrection.  Here&#8217;s some possible scenarios that I see happening.</p>
<p>(1)  The resurrection is actually not a physical resurrection.  I believe many people already believe this.  When we look at it, it&#8217;s a little tough to reconcile with the scriptures, because Jesus ate fish and honey after his resurrection.  &#8220;Touch me&#8221; was his reply&#8211;so it does seem to be a fact that he was physically resurrected.  But perhaps this physical resurrection would only apply to him, and not us?</p>
<p>(2)  Perhaps there was some sort of stem-cell/cloning technique for the resurrection.  Perhaps Jesus &#8220;corruptible&#8221; body is on the earth, but his new &#8220;celestial&#8221; body looks/feels the same, but is basically a perfected clone of his human body.</p>
<p>(3)  Perhaps the resurrection is not important at all.  Perhaps the Gnostics had it right, and the body is not needed in heaven.  Perhaps, Jesus true purpose is not the resurrection, but rather his purpose was to teach spiritual truths.  In this scenario, the resurrection is meaningless, and Christ&#8217;s atonement and teachings are what really matters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are other options.  Can you think of some?  If Christ&#8217;s bones were truly found, would it really spell the end of Christianity, as skeptics claim?</p>
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		<title>Japanese: A Modern Case for Reformed Egyptian</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the common complaints about and arguments against the Book of Mormon is the claim that it was written in &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; &#8211; a unique and obsolete language that was peculiar to the Nephites and could not be read by anyone else.  There have been many things written about this issue over the years, some [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the common complaints about and arguments against the Book of Mormon is the claim that it was written in &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; &#8211; a unique and obsolete language that was peculiar to the Nephites and could not be read by anyone else.  There have been many things written about this issue over the years, some of which are merely skeptical and more of which are mocking.  One of the common themes has been, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s convenient.  There&#8217;s no way to check any language for accuracy and veracity.  Great con scheme.&#8221;  What the people who wrote these things in the past and say them now didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t realize is that there is a modern example of exactly such a language &#8211; one that is unique to its own people and, in many instances, cannot be read even by those from whom its written foundation was taken. </p>
<p>That example is modern Japanese. <span id="more-6031"></span></p>
<p>First, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/morm/9/32#32">Mormon 9:32 </a>is the only verse in the Book of Mormon that includes the actual phrase &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It says:</p>
<blockquote><p>And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the <span>reformed</span> <span>Egyptian</span>, <strong>being handed down and altered by us, **according to our manner of speech**.</strong> </p></blockquote>
<p>There are two other verses that mention the Egyptian language &#8211; <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1/2#2">1 Nephi 1:2</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/1/4#4">Mosiah 1:4</a>.  They read, respectively:</p>
<blockquote><p>I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the <span>Egyptians</span>. </p>
<p>and</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>For it were not possible that our father, Lehi, could have remembered all these things, to have taught them to his children, except it were for the help of these plates; for he having been taught in the language of the <span>Egyptians</span> therefore he could read these engravings, and teach them to his children, that thereby they could teach them to their children, and so fulfilling the commandments of God, even down to this present time.</p></blockquote>
<p>The premise of these passages is that Lehi read Egyptian and used the hieroglyphs as the basis of the written language that was used in engraving the record he kept on the large plates (and which he taught to Nephi, at least, so he could continue the record) &#8211; but that, over time, those hieroglyphs were modified from their original forms to become a unique written language called &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It also is apparent that Lehi&#8217;s children did not read Egyptian naturally &#8211; that Lehi had to &#8220;teach them to his children&#8221; and have them &#8220;teach them to their children&#8221;.  It has been argued that this written language was reserved for the sacred and historical records &#8211; that it was not the &#8220;common written language&#8221; of the people, if there even was such a common language.  Given the numerous statements in the Book of Mormon about the need to write in a condensed form due to the size of the plates, this makes perfect sense &#8211; as does the practice of passing them down along bloodlines (inlcuding &#8220;non-prophets&#8221; at the end of the small plates, particularly in the Book of Omni), then ruling lines, then prophetic lines.  This practice is common throughout history with written records, since the vast majority of people were illiterate, but it plays a particular role in the formation of a &#8220;new&#8221; language, <strong>as it emphasizes the driving force behind the on-going modification of the language - the need to conserve space on plates that were difficult to make and, at the beginning especially, limited in total space.  Thus, the written language of the records was continually &#8220;altered by us&#8221; over time. </strong></p>
<p>Now, to Japanese:</p>
<p>There are many good descriptions of the Japanese writing system, but Wikipedia contains one of the simplest.  The entry for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_writing_system">&#8220;Japanese Writing System&#8221;</a> includes a very good intorduction to the multiple &#8220;scripts&#8221; used in written Japanese.  In summary, there are three main scripts: &#8220;Kanji&#8221; &#8211; Chinese symbols that provide the foundation for the <strong>MEANING</strong> of words, pronounced totally differently than their Chinese pronunciation; &#8220;hiragana&#8221; &#8211; native Japanese alphabetic symbols that match to the spoken language, are syllabic in nature (each symbol represents a syllable, rather than an individual sound ["phonene"] as in English) and provide the necessary &#8220;fillers&#8221; (articles, conjunctions, conjugators, etc.) necessary to bridge between the kanji and spoken Japanese; and &#8220;katakana&#8221; &#8211; a modified form of hiragana used to designate the use of foreign words not found in native Japanese.  Also, in the last decades, &#8220;romaji&#8221; (Romanized spelling, where an American could read the standard English alphabet and pronounce the words as they would sound in Japanese) has been included.  Thus, modern Japanese is a combination of four separate &#8220;scripts&#8221;.  (There is an excellent, side-by-side chart with some examples of how one word could be written in all four scripts in the Wikipedia article.  Only one form, the original kanji, would be understood by a Chinese reader.) </p>
<p>What makes this fascinating in conjunction with &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; is not just that a new, unique language has been created, but that many modern Japanese kanji (the characters that were borrowed from Chinese) often cannot be recognized or read fluently by Chinese who have not studied them.  Over time, many of the most complex kanji have been altered significantly &#8211; always as simplifications of the former symbols, removing &#8220;strokes&#8221; from the original to make it easier to learn, less time consuming to write and easier to teach to children.  Furthermore, since spoken Chinese and Japanese are as different as spoken Japanese and English, the inclusion of hiragana and katakana further complicates the process of reading Japanese for those Chinese who have not studied it.  Most can get a good or general feel for the meaning of sentences that are strictly comprised of kanji and hiragana, since the kanji still match and convey <strong>MEANING</strong> (not pronunciation), but when more of the simplified kanji are included, along with katakana and words spelled entirely in hiragana, it becomes much more difficult for Chinese people to understand written Japanese.  (As I just said, untrained Chinese can&#8217;t understand spoken Japanese at all, so a Japanese could be reading something to a Chinese that the Chinese could understand if she read it &#8211; and the Chinese would not be able to understand what the Japanese was saying.) </p>
<p>In Book of Mormon terminology, modern written Japanese is &#8220;Reformed Chinese&#8221; &#8211; in <strong>EVERY</strong> sense that the term &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; is used in the Book of Mormon, right down to a complex hieroglyphic system being co-opted for meaning rather than pronunciation, that hieroglyphic system being simplified over time to make it easier to write and teach, and, perhaps, eventually being assimilated into some other script(s) and becoming nearly unreadable and &#8220;foreign&#8221; to those trained in the original hieroglyphic system. </p>
<p>There is no indication that Joseph, Emma, Oliver, Sydney or any of those who were prominent in the early history of the Book of Mormon were knowlegable to any degree of Japanese &#8211; <strong>and, in fact, many of the most radical transformations of written Japanese have occurred AFTER the publication of the Book of Mormon</strong>.</p>
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		<title>Trying to Understand My Friends Who Didn&#8217;t Leave the Faith</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a modified excerpt from a 60-page writing that I made for close friends and family members when I decided to leave the church a few months ago. It was my attempt at helping them understand my view. I think most of them didn&#8217;t bother reading it. I wasn&#8217;t looking forward to the conversations that I would be having with them, but I was surprised to find myself not having those conversations.</p>
<p><em><strong>Today&#8217;s guest post is by Michael. In the spirit of Mormon Stories, he was invited to share his experience.</strong><span id="more-5580"></span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">I thought the people that believed in the church and loved me most in the would have at least tried to &#8220;save my soul.&#8221; I would have done it for them, had the roles been reversed. Although, it would have led me to the place where I am now, which may be the underlying (perhaps subconscious) reason why they don&#8217;t wish to go there.</span></em></p>
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<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">If someone told me three years ago that I would be where I am now, I would have never believed them. And yet, here I am. A few years ago, I decided that I should probably learn more about church history. Not out of pure interest, but more out of duty. I heard that the book &#8220;Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling&#8221; was written by a member of the church, but didn&#8217;t give the usual sanitized version of history that is given in Sunday School. I was intrigued.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">I read the book. It was slow going, but I finished it. More than any of the strange practices or weird events, the thing that bugged me the most was Joseph Smith himself. I couldn&#8217;t place it at first, but I soon realized that I didn&#8217;t really like Joseph as a person. I felt kind of guilty about that because we have been raised, and it has been ingrained in us, to love Joseph and the other men of the restoration. My feelings of guilt were lessened a bit when I found out that I was definitely not the only one that felt that way. There were many others in the church that felt the same way. In fact, my dad bought a video that features a question and answer session with the author and even he admits that, by the time he was done with his research and writing, he did not like Joseph Smith either. </span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">When I finished with the book, it made me wonder: Maybe there was a reason why things were not sitting right with me and others. The Joseph we had been taught about growing up was not the real Joseph, so who was. Also, I wondered: If this book was written by a member, then how much of a positive slant is he putting on things? That&#8217;s when my journey really began. There are so many differing and conflicting accounts out there that I sometimes felt like a detective, trying to piece together what most made sense to me.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">As I said above, I went searching into church history as a kind of church duty. I felt that I ought to take a look into it. I thought that I would search things out and find that history would vindicate the church and the prophet. I believed (and believe) that the truth does not fear investigation and the facts would be overwhelmingly in favor of the church. I found the opposite to be the case. This mostly surprised me because of my father.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">He is well versed in church history, and I think I trusted heavily in his ability to interpret events. Sometimes, when I would find out something new, I would ask him, &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t this bother you?!?&#8221; He wouldn&#8217;t answer. At times I wondered why I was the only one who was bothered by some of the things I was finding. I wondered if I was the only crazy one or the only one who wasn&#8217;t. I couldn&#8217;t understand why, when I showed them a claim of the church or Joseph Smith and then showed them how that claim was in fact false, they didn&#8217;t seem to care. Well, I found out some interesting things related to that. Although most of the close people around me did not seem to want to face any of this stuff, I found out that I was not alone. Besides a number of people that I know that don&#8217;t believe, but are hanging on for various other reasons (family, friends, structure, etc.), there are many, many people leaving the church every year. It always helps a person fell less crazy when you know there are others making hard decisions like you.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">The other thing that made me understand the situation better, was something told to me by a friend. I mentioned to him that I could not understand why these things bugged me and no one else seemed to care. He said, &#8220;Ok, tell me something that bugs you.&#8221; So for the 20th time or so, I mentioned that Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Abraham from Egyptian papyri. A decade after Joseph died, the Egyptian language was deciphered from the Rosetta Stone. Reading the papyri, it does not say what Joseph claims it said. When I gave him that one example, he went on to say that most people don&#8217;t think as much as I do, so they don&#8217;t let it bother them. Adding to that, he said, &#8220;Plus, it&#8217;s the Book of Abraham. Who cares about the Book of Abraham?&#8221; And then he ended, mentioning that some people will stay in for the sake of loyalty&#8211;they are Mormon and will always be Mormon.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">Those are ideas that had never really entered my mind. It had never really occurred to me that even if the facts were against the church, people would still remain in it. I was not sure which answer he gave me that bugged me the most. If he only knew how much the Book of Abraham feeds into his own belief system. How could he say, &#8220;Who cares about the Book of Abraham?&#8221; I mean, the teachings exclusive to Mormonism don&#8217;t come from the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon was written in such a way that it virtually does not stray from biblical teachings. There is little or nothing new in the doctrine from the Book of Mormon. It is the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price that set Mormon theology apart from &#8220;regular&#8221; Christian theology.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">These words of indifference, of not caring if it is true in the literal sense are so foreign to me. I first heard them from my best friend a few years ago, before I had ever expressed any doubts. As we passed by the house of a neighbor that had left the church after studying church history, he said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand Bro. So-and-So. I mean, even if I didn&#8217;t think the church was true, I wouldn&#8217;t leave it.&#8221; At that point, I blurted out a very loud, &#8220;WHAT?!? Are you serious?&#8221; He was. My other best friend who was also there that night is the one I mentioned in the above paragraph, who also doesn&#8217;t care about the church being true in any literal sense. Another close friend, for whom I was the best man at his temple wedding, wrote me an email when he found out that I had left the church. It was not what I expected. He congratulated me on doing what he said he never had the courage to do.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">Perhaps the most painful response was from my girlfriend. She told me she was proud of me and for what I was doing. She started calling me Winston (the main character from 1984, who rebels against Big Brother). It shocked me that she would say such a thing that seemed so telling to me, and it saddened me when she said she wouldn&#8217;t be joining me. In HER OWN ANALOGY she chose to love Big Brother.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">These people that have been such a large part of my life (three of the four I have known since we were children) now feel like strangers to me. Their way of thinking on this matter has never been an option for me. I have always considered such choices to be wrong, even in the best-case scenario, and in a worst-case scenario, downright evil. Although I don&#8217;t consider this a worst-case scenario, I am still left baffled that such good people would choose such a path. It would bother me less if they hadn&#8217;t all served missions and didn&#8217;t plan on teaching the rising generation that these beliefs are true. If they stand where they do, why are they passing the information on as truth? I am still working on the answer to that one. In the mean time, for the sake of preserving respect for my loved ones, I am forced to concede that making the choice to believe in something that you don&#8217;t truly think is reality, may not be as evil as I thought&#8230;</span></em></p>
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		<title>What Bothers Me, and Why I Still Believe</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am an active member of the church, and a believer.
I am well aware of most of the controversial issues (Book of Abraham, DNA, Book of Mormon historicity, polyandry, etc.). Some of them occasionally bother me. Others do not. Although according to statistics I am very educated, I probably could not win an argument defending [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an active member of the church, and a believer.</p>
<p>I am well aware of most of the controversial issues (Book of Abraham, DNA, Book of Mormon historicity, polyandry, etc.). Some of them occasionally bother me. Others do not. Although <a href="http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=y&amp;-geo_id=01000US&amp;-qr_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U_QTP20&amp;-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U&amp;-redoLog=false">according to statistics</a> I am very educated, I probably could not win an argument defending the church on any of those points. I could not support the church on Prop. 8, (if you want to specifically comment on that, <a href="http://www.shenpawarrior.com/2008/11/my-testimony-of-gospel-and-why-im.html" target="_blank">please go here</a>). I will probably never understand in this life why we are discouraged from <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=956a94bf3938b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1" target="_blank">praying to our Heavenly Mother</a>, or why women are no longer allowed bless the sick. I am sure I could go on, and so could many of you.</p>
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<p>I occasionally get asked or read questions like, &#8220;If Joseph Smith made claims that were false, how can you believe any of his claims?&#8221; &#8220;When you line everything up, how can you still logically believe it to be true?&#8221; For anyone questioning the faith, or those who have left the church who may be reading this, feel free to mentally insert other questions here. They are all good and valid in my opinion. I do not fault anyone for asking them, nor for being disturbed enough by them to leave the faith. Although my path is different, I wish you the best.</p>
<p>How do I explain my belief and activity in the church? Have I put &#8220;feelings&#8221; above reason?</p>
<p>I was raised by a saint of a mother and an intellectual yet very spiritual father. Church books lined the shelves: Quinn, Compton, and even Bagley&#8217;s Blood of The Prophets and Southerton&#8217;s Lost Tribe made appearances. On hunting trips my father would sometimes shoot his buffalo in the name of Allah (in Turkish) so our good Muslim friends could enjoy it with us. As bishop, he helped countless families regardless of legal status, blessed a neighbor&#8217;s sick cat, and was a safe haven for gay members to turn to. My parents left their ward a few years ago to attend a Hispanic branch, where they can do a lot more than debate in Sunday School over gospel minutiae. They taught me by word and example that serving and loving others always trumps theology.</p>
<p>As a priest I loved blessing the sacrament. It was probably the first time I felt a significant sense of the sacred&#8211;it was intoxicating. I loved seminary and institute, even when I was taught that Darwin was Satan&#8217;s answer to Joseph Smith (that one still makes me smile). I often felt a sense of awe watching the RMs come home. I wanted what they had. My father called it &#8220;spiritual muscle.&#8221; My mission in Japan was the right place at the right time for me, for many reasons. It was the best investment of time I had ever made (up to that point, of course!).</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon has a special place in my life. One experience reading King Benjamin started what became a small series of nearly indescribable <em>subjective</em> positive spiritual experiences, (I once tried to describe what it was like to an inquiring non-member/acquaintance and was mocked for it, so I hold close what is most sacred&#8211;let&#8217;s just say that a few of them were more than just a &#8220;tingling down the spine&#8221; or &#8220;warm feelings&#8221;). I have also felt what I interpret to be the infinite love and patience of God, for me and for all of his children. These &#8220;feelings&#8221; are as important and special to me as my &#8220;feelings&#8221; for my wife and son.</p>
<p>I love having a community wherever I go. I generally enjoy responsibilities at church, (currently the strengthening marriage instructor) and I have found that if I&#8217;m prepared and attentive, the meetings are <em>usually</em> more than worthwhile. I love General Conference, and agree with the teachings <em>almost</em> all of the time. Some people (both in and out of the church) seem to think that a prophet is either always right or not a prophet at all. I was not brought up that way, and have a difficult time understanding it now. Like Henry Eyring (Sr.) said, I think that prophets are wonderful because <em>sometimes</em> they speak for God. It is for those special moments of elevation and insight that I respect and listen to them.</p>
<p>Certain aspects of Mormon theology also fit me better than any religion or philosophy I know. This will have to be a later post, but marriage and personal growth are two of the most important things in life to me, and Mormonism fits those quite well, (I am definitely open to other views or ideas on this, if you have some).</p>
<p>I love symbolism, and enjoy the temple ordinances&#8211;I expect that they will continue to evolve, and look forward to it. I see Christ and relationships in everything in the temple. It can be different, even awkward at first, but looking deeper provides inspiration and insight that is a moving and a stabilizing force in my life. I believe in Christ. He <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2023:34;&amp;version=9;" target="_blank">inspires goodness</a>. He is the answer to the question of evil and tragedy and suffering. He unconditionally <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=1+Nephi+11%3A17&amp;do=Search" target="_blank">loves everyone</a>. That is a God I believe in. His revelations are in the Church, in books, in the rocks, and hopefully in my dissertation in a few years. None of those conduits are free from error.</p>
<p>This is not an argument for Mormonism. I am not telling others how they should approach faith, or activity in the church. This is simply how I am doing it. I could not be more logical: Some stuff bothers me, some of it really inspires me, gives meaning to my life and family, and has been the source of experiences (not always just feelings) and growth that I cannot reject. I do not have my head in the sand. I am not plugging my ears and yelling &#8220;faith! faith! faith!&#8221; at valid and logical arguments against the church&#8217;s claims.</p>
<p>Some people may think that if I have concerns or disagreements I should drop the church. Others may think I should try harder to procure some answers for my questions and concerns. I have pondered the first option and tried out the second for a while. In one of the clearest insights in my life, I found that neither option is even <em>remotely</em> satisfying. I believe in the gospel, and I am not an apologist. So here I am, in the church, good and bad, <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/22/best-and-worst-mormon-quotes/">best and worst</a>, inspiring and awkward.</p>
<p>What is your story?</p>
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<li>How do you handle issues that are difficult or perhaps impossible to reconcile?</li>
<li>What are the best parts of your experiences in the church?</li>
<li>Why have you ultimately decided to stay or leave? (Please keep these in a spirit of sharing and mutual understanding.)</li>
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<p>Do you know of any good related posts (by those who have stayed OR left&#8211;again, written with some humility, please). Next week there will be a guest post by a friend of mine who left the church a while back. Here are a few others, from various perspectives:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/25/why-i-am-not-a-disaffected-mormon/" target="_blank">Why I Am Not a Disaffected Mormon</a></li>
<li><a href="http://thejoosblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/not-ashamed.html" target="_blank">Not ashamed</a></li>
<li><a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/the-atheist-hiding-within-the-mormon/" target="_blank">The atheist hiding within the Mormon</a></li>
<li><a href="http://byzantium.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/i-have-always-been-a-pagan/" target="_blank">I Have Always Been A Pagan</a></li>
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		<title>Debunking the Spaulding Theory</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 07:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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In my previous post about Unconventional Book of Mormon Geography Theories, Doug G made a comment claiming that the Book of Mormon is related to the Solomon Spaulding Manuscript, so I want to address this theory.  Andrew Ainsworth did a post in February on the Curious Case of Solomon Spaulding, which talks more about [...]]]></description>
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<p>In my previous post about <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/">Unconventional Book of Mormon Geography Theories</a>, Doug G <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/#comment-69622">made a comment</a> claiming that the Book of Mormon is related to the Solomon Spaulding Manuscript, so I want to address this theory.  Andrew Ainsworth did a post in February on <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/02/the-curious-case-of-solomon-spaulding/">the Curious Case of Solomon Spaulding</a>, which talks more about the legal aspects of proving plagiarism.  Andrew is a lawyer, and I found his perspective interesting.</p>
<p><span id="more-5086"></span>Lest anyone think my quotes are from apologetic sources, let me discuss them.  My quotes are going to come from two books. (1) <a href="http://www.signaturebooks.com/sidney.htm">Sidney Rigdon:  Portrait of Religious Excess</a>, by Richard Van Wagoner (which I&#8217;ll abbreviate SR).  Chapter 11 is called Book of Mormon Authorship, and deals directly with the issue of whether Sidney Rigdon is the true author of the Book of Mormon, rather than Joseph Smith.  (2) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/No-Man-Knows-My-History/dp/0679730540/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1240752200&amp;sr=8-1">No Man Knows My History</a>, by Fawn Brodie (which I&#8217;ll abbreviate NM).  While Fawn Brodie was excommunicated for her book (thus increasing her stature in the eyes of skeptics), few people know much about Van Wagoner.  Van Wagoner&#8217;s book has received many awards, but has been <a href="http://farms.byu.edu/publications/review/?vol=14&amp;num=1&amp;id=411">criticized by FARMS</a> for being &#8220;fundamentally, not simply tangentially, defective.&#8221;  Any book criticized by FARMS often gives skeptics (like Doug G) reason to like the book.  Neither book is apologetic in nature.  Both books greatly discount the Spalding Manuscript theory.</p>
<p><strong>What is the Spaulding Manuscript?</strong></p>
<p>Solomon Spaulding was born in 1761 in Connecticut, and graduated from Dartmouth College (NH) in 1785.  He was a minister for the Congregational Church in New York, and later became a Presbyterian.  In 1809, he moved to Ohio and wrote a historical novel, narrated by a Roman sailor named Fabius who was shipwrecked in ancient America.  The book was never published, and he died in 1816.  After several changes of ownership (including the RLDS church), the manuscript has been donated to Oberlin College in Ohio, where it currently resides.  You may <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/themanuscriptsto00spauuoft">view the manuscript here</a>.</p>
<p><strong>What is the theory?</strong></p>
<p>What is quite interesting to me is that this theory dates back to literally 1831, and Rigdon has always denied the theory.  According to NM page 68,</p>
<p><em>The theory ran as follows:  The Book of Mormon was a plagiarism of an old manuscript by one Solomon Spaulding, which Sidney Rigdon somehow secured from a printing house in Pittsburgh.  After adding much religious matter to the story, Rigdon determined to publish it as a newly discovered history of the American Indian.  Hearing of a young necromancer Joseph smith, three hundred miles away in New York State, he visited him secretly and persuaded him to enact a fraudulent representation of its discovery.  Then nine months after the book&#8217;s publication Smith&#8217;s missionaries went to Ohio and the pastor pretended to be converted to the new church.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Through the years the &#8220;Spaulding theory&#8221; collected supporting affidavits as a ship does barnacles, until it became so laden with evidence that the casual reader was overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the accumulation.  The theory requires a careful analysis because it has been so widely accepted.  The documentary evidence on both sides is so burdensome, however, that I have relegated it to an appendix.</em></p>
<p><strong>Similarities</strong></p>
<p>There are some interesting similarities between the two books, which I will highlight below.  NM page 449 addresses the obvious similarities.  (I have changed the formatting to highlight the similarities, but the following is an exact quote from the NM book.)</p>
<p><em>There were certain similarities between the book of Mormon which, though not sufficient to justify the thesis of common authorship, might have given rise to the conviction of Spaulding&#8217;s neighbors that one was a plagiarism of the other.</em></p>
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<li> <em>Both were said to come out of the earth;</em></li>
<li> <em>Both were stories of colonists sailing from the Old World to the New;</em></li>
<li> <em>Both explained the earthworks and mounds common to western New York and Ohio as a result of savage wars.</em></li>
<li> <em>John Miller had spoken of the &#8220;humorous passages&#8221; in Spaulding&#8217;s work, which would certainly apply to the &#8220;Manuscript Story,&#8221; but not the utterly humorless Book of Mormon.</em></li>
<li> <em>Other features, like the scriptural style, </em></li>
<li> <em>the expression &#8220;it came to pass,&#8221; </em></li>
<li> <em>and the proper names, seem too definite to be questioned.</em></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>How did the theory come about?</strong></p>
<p>During 1830 and 1831, Mormon missionary work in Ohio flourished, including converts Sidney Rigdon, Orson Hyde, Orson Pratt, and Parley P Pratt (who were members of Rigdon&#8217;s Baptist congregation.)  When Sidney announced his conversion during his Baptist services and some 100 members of his congregation soon joined, there was much consternation among the members of his congregation who felt Sidney was badly deceived.  According to SR page 132,</p>
<p><em>Mormonism&#8217;s success in Ohio, particularly among Sidney&#8217;s Reformed Baptists, spelled conspiracy in some people&#8217;s eyes.  While eleven of Smith&#8217;s friends and relatives signed affidavits that they had examined the gold plates and seen the angel who delivered them to the prophet, many did not accept this supernatural explanation.  To cynics it seemed improbable that a semi-literate farm boy could author a literary work so intricate in plot and steeped in biblical lore as the Book of Mormon.</em></p>
<p><em>The logical explanation for the holy book was that Smith must have collaborated behind the scenes with someone better educated and more sophisticated.  A former school teacher, Oliver Cowdery, Smith&#8217;s major copyist during the project, was considerably better schooled than his prophet-cousin.  Cowdery was touted in the press as co-author of the Book of Mormon in the 25 November 1830 <strong>Cleveland Herald</strong>.  But as soon as Sidney made his late 1830 trip to New York to meet Smith, rumors surfaced that he, not Cowdery, was the mastermind behind the new scripture.</em></p>
<p><strong>Evidence that the Spaulding Manuscript is not the Source of the Book of Mormon</strong></p>
<p>Besides the fact that the Spaulding manuscript is just one-sixth the size of the Book of Mormon (meaning Joseph and Sidney needed to come up with much new material), Spaulding&#8217;s widow, Matilda Davison, gave the manuscript to Hurlburt.  NM page 144,</p>
<p><em>Now to his bitter chagrin he found that the long chase had been vain; for while the romance did concern the ancestors of the Indians, its resemblance to the Book of Mormon ended there.  None of the names found in one could be identified in the other;  the many battles which each described showed not the slightest similarity with those of the other, and Spaulding&#8217;s prose style, which aped the eighteenth-century British sentimental novelists, differed from the style of the Mormon Bible as much as <strong>Pamela, or Virtue Rewarded</strong> different from the New Testament. </em></p>
<p>(The manuscript Hurlburt found was published by the Reorganized Church in Lamoni, Iowa in 1885 under the title <strong>The Manuscript Found</strong>).  Continuing on,</p>
<p><em>Hurlburt knew, however, that he had a keg of powder even without the manuscript.  He boldly exhibited his affidavits in Kirtland, lectured in the surrounding towns, and arranged to publish the documents in book form with the assistance of Eber D. Howe.  The lectures caused a furor.</em></p>
<p>The appendix in NM page 447 gives additional insight into the manuscript.</p>
<p><em>She [Spaulding's widow] gave permission to examine the Spaulding&#8217;s papers in the attic of a farmhouse in Otsego County, New York; but he found there only one manuscript, which was clearly not the source for the Book of Mormon.  This was a romance supposedly translated from twenty-one rolls of parchment covered with Latin, found in a cave on the banks of the Conneaut Creek.  It was written in modern English and was about 45,000 words long, one sixth the length of the Book of Mormon.  It was an adventure story of some Romans sailing to Britain long before the Christian era, who had been blown to America during a violent storm.</em></p>
<p><strong>Hurlburt&#8217;s  Downfall/ED Howe takes over Issue</strong></p>
<p>Hurlburt at some point confronted Smith.  SR Page 136,</p>
<p><em>Smith and Rigdon were quick to defend the Mormon cause.  And at some point in the passion of a heated exchange, Hurlburt publicly threatened that he would &#8220;wash his hands&#8221; in the prophet&#8217;s blood.  In January 1834, Smith filed a legal complaint bringing Hurlburt to trial on 1 April.  The court found him guilty, fined him $200, and ordered him to keep the peace for 6 months.</em></p>
<p><em>The notoriety surrounding Hurlbut, compounded by an embarrassing incident when his wife was discovered in bed with Judge Orris Clapp, tarnished his image.  He sold his research to Eber D. Howe, editor of the <strong>Painesville Telegraph</strong>, who held a long-term grudge against Mormonism for converting his wife and daughter. </em></p>
<p>On Nov 28, 1834, The <strong>Painesville Telegraph</strong> contained the first advertisement of Howe&#8217;s book <strong>Mormonism Unvailed.</strong> It was one of the first published books attributing Rigdon as the real author of the Book of Mormon.   SR page 136,</p>
<p><em>While Howe admitted he had Spalding&#8217;s manuscript, it was obvious that the former minister&#8217;s work, a secular text, was not the source for the Book of Mormon, a lofty religious tome, although the introduction, ethnological assumptions, and mystical lore were undeniably similar.  To explain the enigmatic gaps in genre and plot, Howe wrote that his witnesses claimed Spalding had &#8220;altered his first plan of writing, by going farther back with dates, and writing in the old scripture style, in order that it might appear more ancient.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>Howe further purported that through some unspecified means, Rigdon must have secured this hypothetical second, revised manuscript while he was living in Pittsburgh.  He concluded: &#8220;We, therefore, must hold out Sidney Rigdon to the world as being the original ‘author and proprietor&#8217; of the whole Mormon conspiracy, until further light is elicited upon the lost writings of Solomon Spaulding.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>Other Manuscripts?</strong></p>
<p>NM page 447-8 discusses the possibility of other manuscripts, and discounts them.</p>
<p><em>She [Spaulding's widow] told him that &#8220;Spaulding had a great variety of manuscripts&#8221; and recollected that one was entitled the &#8220;Manuscript Found,&#8221; but its contents she &#8220;had no distinct knowledge.&#8221;  During the two years she had lived in Pittsburgh, Spaulding had taken the manuscript to the office of Patterson and Lambdin, she said, but whether or not it had been returned was uncertain.</em></p>
<p><em>She gave Hurlbut permission to examine Spaulding&#8217;s papers in the attic of a farmhouse in Otswego, New York; but he found there only one manuscript, which was clearly not the source of the Book of Mormon.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;.</em></p>
<p><em>Hurlbut showed this manuscript to Spaulding&#8217;s neighbors, who, he said, recognized it as Spaulding&#8217;s, but stated that it was not the &#8220;Manuscript Found.&#8221;  Spaulding &#8220;had altered his first plan of writing, but going farther back with dates and writing in the Old Scripture style, in order that it might appear more ancient.&#8221;  This surmise may have been true, though there was no signed statement swearing to it.  But it seems more likely that these witnesses had so come to identify the Book of Mormon with the Spaulding manuscript that they could not concede having made an error without admitting to a case of memory substitution which they did not themselves recognize.</em></p>
<p>NM Page449,</p>
<p><em> Hurlbut, at least, was certain that Spaulding had written a second manuscript.  Eber D. Howe, Hurlbut&#8217;s collaborator, now wrote to Robert Patterson, the Pittsburgh printer mentioned by Spaulding&#8217;s widow.  He replied &#8220;that he had no recollection of any manuscript being brought there for publication, neither would he have been likely to have seen it, as the business of printing was conducted wholly by Lambdin at that time.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Disappointed in this source, and unable to get any confirming evidence from Joseph&#8217;s neighbors in western New York, Hurlbut had to be content with insinuating that Sidney Rigdon, who had once lived in Pittsburgh, was somehow responsible for getting the Spaulding manuscript into Joseph Smith&#8217;s hands.</em></p>
<p><strong>Where was Rigdon between 1809 and 1830?</strong></p>
<p>Rigdon never met Spaulding (who died in 1816.)  NM Page 449-51</p>
<p><em>If the evidence pointing to the existence of a second Spaulding manuscript is dubious, the affidavits trying to prove that Rigdon stole it, or copied it, are all unconvincing and frequently preposterous.</em></p>
<p><em>First there is no evidence that Rigdon ever lived in Pittsburgh until 1822, when he became pastor of the First Baptist Church.  Robert Patterson, Jr., son of the Pittsburgh printer, conducted an exhaustive research among the old settlers of the vicinity to try to establish the truth of the Spaulding theory.  This was in 1882, sixty-six years after Spaulding&#8217;s death.  Many were familiar with the theory and believed it, he said, but few could give first-hand information.  Rigdon&#8217;s brother-in-law, not a Mormon, and Isaac King, and old neighbor, swore to him that Rigdon did not go to Pittsburgh before 1822.  Mrs. Lambdin, widow of Patterson&#8217;s partner, denied any knowledge of Rigdon, as did Robert P. DuBois, who had worked in the printing shop between 1818 and 1820.</em></p>
<p><em>One woman, who had worked as a mail clerk in Patterson&#8217;s office between 1811 and 1816, stated that she knew Rigdon and that he was an intimate friend of Lambdin&#8217;s but this was clearly untrue as evidenced by the statement of Lambdin&#8217;s widow that she had never heard of Rigdon&#8230;. </em></p>
<p>Brodie rejects other affidavits from this point on.  NM Page 453,</p>
<p><em>The tenuous chain of evidence accumulated to support the Spaulding-Rigdon theory breaks altogether when it tries to prove that Rigdon met Joseph Smith before 1830.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;.</em></p>
<p><em>Rigdon&#8217;s life between 1826 and 1829 has been carefully documented from non-Mormon sources.  It is clear from the following chronology that he was a busy and successful preacher and one of the leading figures of the Campbellite movement in Ohio.  Until August 1830, when he broke with Alexander Campbell over the question of introducing communism into the Campbellite Church, he was one of the four key men of that church.  It cannot be held that Rigdon rewrote the Spaulding manuscript before 1827, since the anti-Masonry permeating the book clearly stemmed from the Morgan excitement beginning late in 1826.</em></p>
<p>Brodie then lists all the known funerals, marriages, and other meetings of Rigdon between 1826 and 1830, along with gaps of information where his whereabouts are unknown.  It fails to show a link between Smith and Rigdon prior to Dec 1830.  By this time, the Book of Mormon had already been published.</p>
<p><strong>Rigdon and others&#8217; denials</strong></p>
<p>SR Page 133-4,</p>
<p><em>(1) </em><em> During the spring of 1833 or 1834, while visiting the home of Samuel Baker near New Portage, Ohio, Rigdon stated in the presence of a large gathering that he was aware some in the neighborhood had accused him of being the instigator of the Book of Mormon.  Standing in the doorway to address the audience in the yard, he held up a Book of Mormon and said:</em></p>
<p><em>‘I testify in the presence of this congregation, and before God and all the Holy Angels up yonder, (pointing toward heaven), before whom I expect to give account at the judgement day, that I never saw a sentence of the Book of Mormon.  I never penned a sentence in the Book of Mormon. I never knew that there was such a book in existence as the Book of Mormon, until it was presented to me by Parley P. Pratt, in the form that it now is.&#8217;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>(2) </em><em>On his deathbed with an interview to his son Wickliffe, &#8220;I found him as ever in declaring that he himself had nothing whatever to do in writing the book, and that Joseph Smith received it from an angel.  On his dying bed he made the same declaration to a Methodist minister&#8230;. My mother has also told me that Father had nothing to do with the writing of the book, and that she positively knew that he had never seen it until Parley P. Pratt came to our home with it.</em></p>
<p><em>(3) </em><em>Nancy R. Ellis, Rigdon&#8217;s most anti-Mormon offspring, recalled in an 1884 interview the arrival of the missionaries to her Mentor, Ohio home when she was eight years old:  &#8220;I saw them hand him the book, and I am positive as can be that he never saw it before&#8230;. She further stated that her father in the last years of his life called his family together and told them, as sure as there was a God in heaven, he never had anything to do in getting up the book of Mormon, and never saw any such thing as a manuscript written by Solomon Spaulding.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>(4) </em>Former apostle William McClellin (who was excommunicated in 1838) said regarding Rigdon on page 137<em>, &#8220;He never heard of the work of Smith &amp; Cowdery, until C[owdery] and P[arley] P Pratt brought the book to him in Mentor, O[hio].  True enough, I have but little confidence in S. Rigdon, but I know he was more the tool of J. Smith than his teacher and director.  He was docile in J.S. hands to my knowledge.</em></p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>SR page 137. <em> </em></p>
<p><em>The weight of scholarly studies since Fawn Brodie&#8217;s seminal 1945 <strong>No Man Knows My History </strong>biography of Joseph Smith has all but eliminated the Spalding theory and Rigdon&#8217;s complicity.  The earliest Book of Mormon critic, Rigdon&#8217;s former mentor Alexander Campbell, opined in 1831 that Joseph Smith profoundly affected by the Salvationist Christianity of nineteenth-century Protestant America, was, in fact, the author of the work. </em></p>
<p>NM page 455-6</p>
<p><em>Alexander Campbell, who knew Rigdon intimately, described his conversion to Mormonism with great regret in the <strong>Millennial Harbinger</strong>, attributing it to his nervous spasms and swooning and to his passionate belief in the imminent gathering of Israel.  But of the authorship of the Book of Mormon he wrote bluntly:  &#8220;It is as certainly Smith&#8217;s fabrication as Satan is the father of lies or darkness is the offspring of night.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m sure there are people out there who believe the Book of Mormon is fiction.  However, I believe the Spaulding Theory has been thoroughly discredited by these two authors.  (I know this is a long post, but a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/26/debunking-the-spaulding-manuscript-theory/">longer version is found here</a>.)  Comments?</p>
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		<title>Unconventional Book of Mormon Geography Theories</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been over a year since someone posted something on Book of Mormon geography, so I think it&#8217;s about time.  Most of you believe that the Book of Mormon occurred in Central America, right?  Well it turns out there are over 100 theories.  Check out this big list, which is incomplete.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been over a year since someone posted something on Book of Mormon geography, so I think it&#8217;s about time.  Most of you believe that the Book of Mormon occurred in Central America, right?  Well it turns out there are over 100 theories.  Check out this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon_Geography_Models">big list</a>, which is incomplete.</p>
<p>In 1991, John Sorenson of BYU, the &#8220;dean&#8221; of Book of Mormon geography, created a book called &#8220;<strong>The Geography of Book of Mormon Events: A Source Book</strong>&#8220;.  (It is hard to find because it has no ISBN #, but can be purchased at the <a href="http://www.byubookstore.com/ePOS?this_category=127&amp;store=439&amp;item_number=1340487&amp;form=shared3%2fgm%2fdetail.html&amp;design=439">BYU Bookstore</a> as well as some bookstores specializing on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0006QHZWE/ref=sr_1_olp_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1239299160&amp;sr=8-1">obscure Mormon books</a>.)  I reviewed the book, and grouped the theories into <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/01/25/book-of-mormon-geography/">basic categories</a>.</p>
<p><span id="more-4961"></span>(1)   <strong>Internal Theories</strong>. Any scholar should create a map before trying to locate it in the real world.</p>
<p>(2)   <strong>Hemispheric Models</strong>. Mormons originally thought that the Book of Mormon peoples covered the entire North and South America.</p>
<p>(3)   <strong>Central America Models</strong>. The bulk of &#8220;Mormon approved&#8221; scholars support this general group of theories.</p>
<p>(4)   <strong>South America Models</strong>. Joseph Smith is reported to have said that Lehi landed 30 degrees South of the equator, in what would be modern day Chile.</p>
<p>(5)   <strong>The Great Lakes Theories</strong>. Since the golden plates were found in NY, the BOM lands must be nearby.  The Narrow Neck is near the Great Lakes.</p>
<p>The book is now close to 20 years old.  Since it was published, a flood of new theories have been created.  The following 2 theories are some of the most radical.</p>
<p><em>(6) </em><strong>The African Theory</strong> by Embaye Melekin.  <a href="http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&amp;id=383">Michael Ash wrote a review</a> of this theory in 2001.  Melekin claims that his book titled, &#8220;Manifestations mysteries revealed,&#8221; has proven &#8220;<em>beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Book of Mormon is an African book and about Africans. . . . My book will change the church and the belief of the Mormons drastically.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>(7) </em><strong>The Malay Theory</strong>. This theory says it would have been much easier for Nephi to travel a 4000 mile journey to the Malay Peninsula than a 16000 mile journey in open seas to the Americas, and the Malay Peninsula is a better description of the Narrow Neck of Land.<em></em></p>
<p>So, what if the Book of Mormon is true, but we&#8217;re digging in the wrong place?  I decided to look at one of the radically different geography theories-the Malay theory.  I discovered it in the footnotes of the Wikipedia article on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon">Archaeology and the Book of Mormon</a>.  The theory even has its <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#Alternative_settings">own section here</a>, as well as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Malay_Theory">Wikipedia article</a>.  If you look in the footnotes, you&#8217;ll see a link to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#cite_note-Malay-220">Sunstone article</a> written by Ralph Olsen.  (You must open the attachment with the free Adobe Reader.)</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/malay-map.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-5014" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/malay-map.jpg" alt="" /></a>In the Sunstone article, he lists his mailing address, so I wrote him a letter.  Ralph Olsen is a retired chemistry professor at Montana State University, with research interests in plants, soils, and microbes.  I asked him why he picked Malay as a possible Book of Mormon location, and he cited several reasons:</p>
<p>(1)    The peninsula is north-south, unlike Sorenson&#8217;s east-west orientation</p>
<p>(2)    The problems with animals go away.  Elephants, sheep, horses, etc. all date to the proper time period</p>
<p>(3)    The civilization dates to the proper time period, and had chariots, iron, silk, etc</p>
<p>(4)    There were dark-skinned people pre-existing on the peninsula.  If they intermarried with the Lamanites, (while the Nephites did not intermarry) that might explain the &#8220;dark and loathsome&#8221; peoples in the Book of Mormon</p>
<p>(5)    The shorter 4000 mile oceanic travel makes more sense than a 16000 mile journey.  Even the FAIR produced DVD called <a href="http://store.fairlds.org/prod/p0934893039.html">Journey of Faith</a>, (which shows many Old World evidences of the Book of Mormon), indicates Nephi would have hugged the coastline, and the path goes right by the Malay Peninsula.</p>
<p><em>(6) </em><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5#5">Alma 63: 5</a><a name="5"></a> <em>And it came to pass that Hagoth, he being an <sup>a</sup></em><a title="10 (10, 14)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5a"><em>exceedingly</em></a><em> curious man, therefore he went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship, on the borders of the land <sup>b</sup></em><a title="23." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5b"><em>Bountiful</em></a><em>, by the land Desolation, and launched it forth into the west sea, by the <sup>c</sup></em><a title="20." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5c"><em>narrow</em></a><em> neck which led into the land northward. </em></p>
<p>a.       Traditional Mormon scholars seem to support the idea that Hagoth traveled eastward and populated the Pacific Islands (such as Hawaii, Tonga, etc),</p>
<p>b.      Scholarly consensus indicates that Native Americans came from Asia, and came along one of two routes.  (1) the Bering Strait, or (2) they hopped across the Pacific Islands (such as Hawaii, Tonga, etc), before arriving in the Americas.  Olsen&#8217;s migratory theory seems to be backed up by more scientists.</p>
<p>(7)    DNA evidence seems to be better.  While not endorsing the Malay Theory, <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-513">Simon Southerton even commented on my blog</a> that &#8220;I&#8217;m not aware of any DNA evidence from South East Asia linking populations there with the Middle East. South East Asia has been heavily populated for tens of thousands of years, with large civilizations. It is possible that Jewish sailors colonized parts of Asia though.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unrelated to this theory, a Jewish documentary filmmaker named Simcha Jacobovici has made the claim that the tribe of Manasseh may be located in the Malay Peninsula in his film <a title="Quest for the Lost Tribes" href="http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70158" target="_blank"><em>&#8220;Quest for the Lost Tribes&#8221;</em></a><em> </em>, which I <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/04/19/have-the-lost-10-tribes-been-found/">blogged about previously</a>.  Jacobovici maintains that when Babylon invaded Israel and scattered them in 600 BC, that some of the tribes were taken across land to Malay.  This could seemingly explain how the Mulekites got there, and why the Nephites (who traveled by boat) couldn&#8217;t understand them.</p>
<p>There is also a legend in Malay stating that some shipwrecked Jewish people landed there, possibly indicating the Nephites landing there. As we know from the Book of Mormon, Nephi and Lehi were from the tribe of Manasseh.  Jacobovici states in his film that some of the local citizens in Malay claim to be from the Tribe of Manasseh.</p>
<p>Olsen has written a short book called &#8220;A More Promising Land of Promise&#8221;, which is available for purchase on his own <a href="http://www.mormonlocations.com/introduction.html">website</a>.  He encourages people to critique his work, so if you have problems with his theories, be kind, but please express them.  I told him I was going to post on his theory, and he may or may not stop by.  (He is not technologically savvy.)</p>
<p>My biggest problems with the theory are:</p>
<p>(1)    How did the plates get to New York?  Olsen admits that he doesn&#8217;t know.  But he also points out that Sorenson doesn&#8217;t adequately explain how the 200 lb plates moved from Guatemala 3,000 miles north to NY without a wheeled vehicle.</p>
<p><em>(2) </em>Joseph Smith History 1:34 <em>&#8220;[Moroni] said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of <strong>this continent</strong>, and the source from whence they sprang.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>a.       <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-224">Olsen&#8217;s argument</a> emphasizes this scripture differently, instead emphasizing &#8220;<strong>and the source from whence they sprang.&#8221; </strong>He says the source is the Malay Peninsula, and that is how to overcome this apparent discrepancy. I can see his point, but I know that is not a traditional understanding of that scripture, and I&#8217;m not sure I buy it.</p>
<p>For those of you who want more information, the longer version of this post can be found <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/09/a-radically-different-book-of-mormon-geography-theory/">here</a>.  And if you really want to see this theory, Ralph Olsen has given me permission to make his unpublished manuscript available.  <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/18/my-first-scoop-the-unpublished-malay-theory/">It can be found here</a>. Patience is a virtue&#8230;It&#8217;s 300 pages and 20 MB is size!</p>
<p>So, what do you think?  Do you have any other major problems with the theory?  Is there anything you like about the theory?</p>
<p>UPDATE 4/27/2009.  Sorenson&#8217;s proposed Oceanic Journey.</p>
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		<title>Mainstream acceptance of the Mormons&#8217; Easter Story?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Around Easter 2004, National Geographic produced a documentary titled In Search of Easter.  The producers interviewed a wide range of scholars about the Resurrection story of the Easter celebration.  It is an interesting insight into various Resurrection stories found in the Bible.  I am always interested in scholarly opinions on religious topics, and nearly fell [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around Easter 2004, National Geographic produced a documentary titled <a href="http://www.amazon.com/National-Geographics-Search-EASTER-Geographic/dp/B0007PP4HW">In Search of Easter</a>.  The producers interviewed a wide range of scholars about the Resurrection story of the Easter celebration.  It is an interesting insight into various Resurrection stories found in the Bible.  I am always interested in scholarly opinions on religious topics, and nearly fell off the couch when I heard the following on the DVD.</p>
<blockquote><p><span id="more-4947"></span><em>&#8220;Could yet another possibility exist that explains Jesus sporadic appearances.  Is it possible that he did not limit his visits to ancient Israel?  This is the intriguing scenario described in the Book of Mormon.  The book which emerged in 19<sup>th</sup> century America is revered by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as God&#8217;s Holy Word.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong><em>Kathleen Flake, Assistant Professor of American Religious History, Vanderbilt University</em></strong><em>, &#8220;The Book of Mormon is an account of a civilization that lived in the Americas between about 600 years before Jesus was born, until about 400 years after he died.  The centerpiece of this story is Jesus&#8217; appearance to them, after he died, and was resurrected.  He comes to the Americas with business in mind.  Jesus will say to these people in the Americas, ‘now I said to the Jews in Palestine &#8220;other sheep I have which are not of this fold&#8221;, and they misunderstood me.  They thought I meant the gentiles, but no.  I meant you.  I meant you&#8217;re the other sheep; I must come visit you, I must manifest myself unto you&#8217; so that you can bear witness to the world about the nature of God, and how to receive a forgiveness of sin, or more to the point, how you can overcome the circumstances of the world and be made one with God.&#8217;&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>According to the Book of Mormon, the risen Jesus remains with America&#8217;s ancient tribes for 3 or 4 days.  He then vanishes and then makes sporadic appearances for an unspecified period of time.  Meanwhile, according to the New Testament, Jesus continues to embrace his disciples in Israel.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The DVD then goes on to talk about a small reference where Paul mentions in passing a visit where Jesus visits 500 people after his resurrection in 1 Corinthians 13.  <strong>Has the Book of Mormon gained mainstream acceptance? </strong>(For more info about Easter on this DVD, check out <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/11/academic-and-mormon-views-of-easter/" target="_blank">this post</a>.)</p>
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		<title>Filtered Visions by guest Reuben Collins</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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I&#8217;ve been thinking about Levi Peterson&#8217;s The Backslider lately (SPOILERS AHEAD). 
The 1986 novel tells the story of Frank Windham, a Mormon cowboy from southern Utah. Frank struggles with his faith and finding his place in Mormon culture. Topics including sexual sin, backsliding, self-mutilation, and guilt have made this novel pretty controversial in many Mormon [...]]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about Levi Peterson&#8217;s The Backslider lately (SPOILERS AHEAD). <span id="more-4400"></span></p>
<p>The 1986 novel tells the story of Frank Windham, a Mormon cowboy from southern Utah. Frank struggles with his faith and finding his place in Mormon culture. Topics including sexual sin, backsliding, self-mutilation, and guilt have made this novel pretty controversial in many Mormon settings. Despite being beautifully written, I&#8217;ve always thought that the true genious of the novel is the way Frank envisions God &amp; Jesus.</p>
<p>Something happens during the transmission of Heavenly knowlege from God into the human mind. We are terribly incapable of understanding or comprehending God. And this means that our visions and revelations, as sacred as they may be, aren&#8217;t actually visions of God. They&#8217;re human interpretations of glory beyond our understanding. We have visions of God &#8211; glorious visions &#8211; real visions &#8211; but they&#8217;re filtered through an earthly lens colored by our personal circumstances. We understand God based on who we need Him to be. This isn&#8217;t to denigrate the authenticity of visions, but we should be careful when trying to make categorical statements about God based on an earthly vision.</p>
<p>At one point in the novel, Frank is feeling guilty because of his backsliding and he imagines God pointing a gun at him, calling him to repentance. For some this is absurd, but for Frank, it was as real as any other heavenly vision. His understanding of God is shaped by his experiences. Whereas God communicated his wrath to Adam through banishment, to Noah through flooding, to Moses through serpents and plagues, He communicated his wrath to Frank through a rifle.</p>
<p>By the end of the novel, Frank imagines Jesus as a Cowboy, riding a horse with cigarette in hand. It&#8217;s an account that is sure to rub many Mormons the wrong way, but it&#8217;s who Frank needed Jesus to be in order to have faith in Him. A merciful God wouldn&#8217;t send Frank anything less than Cowboy Jesus.</p>
<p>So we can talk about who God is, what He looks like, or where He came from, but it doesn&#8217;t matter.  What matters is that He is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about God, but i&#8217;m pretty sure Jesus rides a bicycle.</p>
<p>&#8220;Happiness is a full bike rack!&#8221; &#8211;Yehuda Moon</p>
<p>So attentive MM readers, won&#8217;t you tell me a little about YOUR version of God?</p>
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		<title>Bad Apologetics, Meet Bad Polemics</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[polemics: The art or practice of disputation or controversy, especially on religious subjects; that branch of theological science which pertains to the history or conduct of ecclesiastical controversy. (Webster&#8217;s Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1996.)
Although I am often entertained by bad apologetics, I am equally amused by bad polemics. I find it simply fascinating when I see [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong><em>polemics: </em></strong><em>The art or practice of disputation or controversy, especially on religious subjects; that branch of theological science which pertains to the history or conduct of ecclesiastical controversy. (Webster&#8217;s Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1996.)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Although I am often entertained by bad apologetics, I am equally amused by bad polemics. I find it simply fascinating when I see both camps use exactly the same faulty reasoning, but to prove exactly the opposite point.<span id="more-4167"></span> In those sublime moments, it&#8217;s  almost as if I can hear someone performing a long-overdue introduction between two mutual friends: <em>&#8220;Bad apologetics, meet bad polemics!&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The most oft-used method of flawed reasoning I&#8217;ve seen used by both proponents and critics LDS claims is to make comparisons at a 30,000 foot level and then conclude that, because general similarities exist between two things, they must somehow be linked or causally-related to each other.  Of course, the problem with that line of reasoning is that you can find parallels between just about any two things if you make comparisons on a general level.  At 30,000 feet, the cars, houses, and people way down below all look the same.</p>
<p>Case in point:  A few months ago, my wife and I watched a video produced by a well-known Mormon apologetics group in which they attempted to demonstrate that Meso-America was the most likely setting for the Book of Mormon.  This was primarily accomplished by pointing out general similarities between the peoples described in the Book of Mormon and what scholars have thus far been able to discover about ancient Meso-Americans.  For example, some scholars found it noteworthy that there is evidence of a system of lower kings subject to a high king in ancient Meso-America, which we see in the Book of Mormon with the relationship between King Lamoni (lower king) and his father (high king).  But, of course, this sort of arrangement is also known to have existed in feudal Europe and Japan, and in numerous other locations of the globe throughout the history of mankind. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudal_system">Source</a>.)  So this general lower-king, high-king similarity falls short of demonstrating a unique similarity between the Book of Mormon peoples and the peoples of ancient Meso-America.</p>
<p>Likewise, we often find critics of the Book of Mormon using a similar flawed methodology in their attempts to demonstrate that the Book of Mormon was plagiarized from other sources.  For example, in <em>An Insider&#8217;s View of Mormon Origins</em>, Grant Palmer points to general similarities, while ignoring numerous specific differences, to argue that the Book of Mormon story of Alma the Younger was copied from the New Testament story of Saul/Paul:</p>
<p>1.  Both men were wicked before their dramatic conversion.<br />
2.  Both traveled about persecuting and seeking to destroy the church of God.<br />
3.  Both were persecuting the church when they saw a heavenly vision.<br />
4.  Their companions fell to the earth and were unable to understand the voice that spoke.<br />
5.  Both were asked in a vision why they persecuted the Lord.<br />
6.  Both were struck dumb/blind, became helpless, and were assisted by their companions.  They went without food before converting.<br />
7.  Both preached the gospel and both performed the same miracle.<br />
8.  While preaching, they supported themselves by their own labors.<br />
9.  They were put in prison.  After they prayed, an earthquake resulted in their bands being loosed.<br />
10.  Both used the same phrases in their preaching.<br />
(Grant Palmer, <em>An Insider&#8217;s View of Mormon Origins</em>, p. 50.)</p>
<p>Sounds pretty compelling, right?  The problem is that the list above is a classic example of the same type of flawed analysis frequently employed by unsuccessful plaintiffs in copyright cases.  They try to prove their works were copied by seizing upon general similarities while ignoring numerous specific differences.</p>
<p>Under Copyright law, identifying generalized similarities between two stories is simply not sufficient to demonstrate that one work has been copied from the other.  For example, if it were possible to prove plagiarism based on general similarities, the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien should sue George Lucas for copyright infringement immediately due to the following similarities between <em>Lord of the Rings</em> and <em>Star Wars</em>:</p>
<p>1.  In both works, the protagonist (Frodo Baggins and Luke Skywalker) is an unassuming lad living with an uncle in a relatively remote area.<br />
2.  In both works, the protagonists learn that an evil lord of darkness (Sauron and Darth Vader) is bent on conquering all free peoples.<br />
3.  In both works, there is a special weapon (the Ring and the Death Star) that, if employed by the forces of evil, will spell the doom of all free peoples.<br />
4.  In both works, the protagonist is given a risky mission that requires him to venture into the heart of enemy territory (Mordor and the Death Star).<br />
5.  In both works, the protagonist is assigned to destroy the dark lord&#8217;s special weapon (by dropping the Ring into a the heart of a volcano, or by dropping a photon torpedo into the heart of the Death Star).<br />
6.  In both works, the protagonist shares a psychological connection with the dark lord (Frodo can detect when Sauron&#8217;s eye is upon him; and Luke can &#8220;sense&#8221; Vader&#8217;s presence).<br />
7.  In both works, the protagonist is assisted by a wise grey-haired mentor who wears a robe and carries a staff-like object that can glow (Gandalf and his staff and Obi Wan Kenobi and his light saber).<br />
8.  In both works, the mentor sacrifices himself to allow the protagonist and his companions to escape a certain death (Gandalf falling into the abyss with the Balrog, and Obi Wan allowing Vader to slay him).<br />
9.  In both works, the mentor ultimately becomes stronger by sacrificing himself for the others (Gandalf the Grey becomes Gandalf the White; Obi Wan becomes a seemingly omniscient spirit who can accompany Luke and give him much-needed guidance in pivotal moments).<br />
10.  In both works, the protagonists are assisted by a rugged, handsome wanderer (Aragorn and Han Solo) who assists the protagonist&#8217;s party in escaping from danger on numerous occasions, and who eventually marries a princess. <strong> Perhaps most tellingly, the names Aragorn and Han Solo both consist of seven letters, and &#8220;just so happen&#8221; to share the same two vowels!!!  Coincidence?!  Hmmmmm . . . </strong></p>
<p>The list above is by no means exhaustive.  I haven&#8217;t even gotten to the similarities between the variety of unusual creatures featured in both works, the use of genetic manipulation to create the evil forces in both works (Orcs and Stormtroopers), etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>The point here is simply that critics who attack the authenticity of the Book of Mormon often engage in bad polemics by using the same flawed methodology that gets kicked out of court in copyright cases all the time, <em>i.e</em>., they point to general similarities between the Book of Mormon and some other work, while ignoring the obvious and numerous specific differences between those works.</p>
<p>But just because it&#8217;s bad polemics doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s ineffective.  To the contrary, this particular method of bad polemics is highly successful because although the average person has seen both <em>Lord of the Rings</em> and <em>Star Wars</em>, and is therefore able to quickly detect the obvious absurdity of the allegation that <em>Star Wars</em> was plagiarized from <em>Lord of the Rings</em>, the average person <em>has not</em> read the books that critics allege Joseph Smith plagiarized to write the Book of Mormon (<em>i.e</em>., <em>V</em><em>iew of the Hebrews</em>, the Spaulding manuscript, etc.)  For that reason, the average person is unable to critically examine and rebut arguments that the Book of Mormon was plagiarized from other pre-existing works.</p>
<p>As a result, critics who attack the Book of Mormon with these generalized comparisons are able to convince the undiscriminating reader that the revered Mormon scripture was copied from a collection of obscure sources that they know the reader will likely never have the time nor means examine for himself.</p>
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		<title>The Purposes of God Cannot Be Frustrated</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The title is from DC3:1.  Today&#8217;s guest post is from Bouvet and is in reference to this year&#8217;s Doctrine &#38; Covenants manual, Lesson 4 is Remember the New Covenant, Even the Book of Mormon.  
This year the lesson manual has abandoned the idea of following the development of the Church and the reception of the revelations [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="content">The title is from DC3:1.  Today&#8217;s guest post is from Bouvet and is in reference to this year&#8217;s Doctrine &amp; Covenants manual, Lesson 4 is <span style="font-style: italic;">Remember the New Covenant, Even the Book of Mormon</span>.  <span id="more-4102"></span><br />
This year the lesson manual has abandoned the idea of following the development of the Church and the reception of the revelations through time and instead has moved to a topical format. My knee-jerk reaction is to attribute this to a desire to avoid tough topics in church history and make the teachers stick to some abstract doctrine or principal.   The lesson is supposed to be focused on the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. It covers DC 3 and 10 and a bunch of JS-H.</p>
<p>While I did cover most of the scriptures included in the lesson I went a completely different direction with it. This was the exact lesson I needed at this moment of time.  But the real point of the lesson was the fact that the purposes of God cannot be frustrated by Joseph Smith&#8217;s boneheaded weaknesses. This is a major and significant lesson.</p>
<p>Joseph was praying for forgiveness the night that Moroni came because he had become a lazy prankster who liked to dig for buried treasure. He knew he was not someone who would be expected to be a Prophet&#8211;there was nothing exceptional about him. He was not preparing himself very well for any great work.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. Moroni comes to see him.<br />
</em><br />
Then he meets Emma while employed digging for a long lost Spanish silver mine down by Harmony and instead of getting a real job and making himself respectable, he just dishonors Emma&#8217;s family and runs off with her to get married without blessing or permission. This was a selfish and impulsive act contrary to one of the 10 commandments. Can you imagine how he would be lauded in the Church today if he had stayed for a year working on a local farm proving himself to get Emma&#8217;s parents permission. But we largely ignore the elopement.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. He gets the plates.<br />
</em><br />
Then he gives the 116 pages to Martin after not taking no for an answer and a lifetime of Father Lehi&#8217;s work is gone in an instant. All Lehi&#8217;s blood sweat and tears put into his record are thrown down the drain because Joseph is a stubborn and disobedient sod.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. He got the plates back and finished the rest of the book and the Small Plates of Nephi cover the gap in the story (to a certain extent).<br />
</em><br />
The lesson covered the bringing forth of the Book of Mormon, but I taught the lesson of how Joseph kept failing during the process of bringing for the Book of Mormon (I only mentioned the elopement in passing) and how <em>that was OK because he repented and the work of God rolled forward</em>.</p>
<p>One cannot read Sections 3 and 10 honestly and think anything other than Joseph&#8217;s falling from his calling was not only possible but might have seemed at times likely. The doctrine of the Prophet not ever being able to lead the Church astray comes much latter. (It is found in the excerpted conference talks by Wilford Woodruff after the Manifesto in the PofGP.) In 1828 and the years following, it probably seemed likely to even Joseph that he would be rejected.</p>
<p>I also find it interesting that he is directly reproved in Section 3 verse 4 for his &#8220;carnal desires&#8221;. It is no surprise that later it is precisely his carnal desires leading to Fanny Alger and Marinda Knight and so many others that lead so many of the early Church leaders to conclude he was a fallen Prophet and leave his side.</p>
<p>I have a testimony that despite all Joseph&#8217;s weaknesses&#8211;including being too often a petty dictator and horny lustmonger&#8211;he was the Lord&#8217;s chosen. He made many mistakes, many serious mistakes. They ended up costing him his life. But his mistakes did not frustrate the purposes of God. The restoration happened, imperfectly, but it happened.</p>
<p>And so today the Church rolls forward. Imperfectly (very very imperfectly) but it rolls forward. Some cannot abide the imperfections. I don&#8217;t blame them. Sometimes I want to join them. Often even. <em>But no imperfections, not matter how ugly or pervasive, can stop the work of God entirely. </em>It is too hard for me to remember that truth.</p>
<p>I love Joseph Smith. I want to slap him upside the head for being so often a total idiot. But I love him just the same.</p>
<p>This is where I am at today anyway.</p></div>
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		<title>Modern-Day Swearing: Will Our Bastardized Words Damn Us to Hell?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe we need to take responsibility for understanding and choosing what we say and do &#8211; not allowing others to make those decisions for us.  With that in mind, I am addressing the &#8220;what&#8221;, &#8220;why&#8221; and &#8220;so what&#8221; of &#8220;swearing and cursing&#8221;.
The best Biblical statements regarding swearing and cursing include the following:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we need to take responsibility for understanding and choosing what we say and do &#8211; not allowing others to make those decisions for us.  With that in mind, I am addressing the &#8220;what&#8221;, &#8220;why&#8221; and &#8220;so what&#8221; of &#8220;swearing and cursing&#8221;.</p>
<p>The best Biblical statements regarding swearing and cursing include the following:</p>
<p>“Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.”  (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=deut+6%3A13&amp;do=Search">Deut. 6:13</a>)</p>
<p>“But I say unto you, Swear not at all;”  (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Matthew+5%3A34&amp;do=Search">Matthew 5:34</a>)</p>
<p>“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.”  (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Exodus+21%3A17&amp;do=Search">Exodus 21:17</a>)</p>
<p>“His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.”  (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Psalms+10%3A7&amp;do=Search">Psalms 10:7</a>)</p>
<p>“Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.”  (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=James+3%3A9&amp;do=Search">James 3:9</a>)<span id="more-3949"></span></p>
<p>There are dozens of other references to swearing and cursing, and <strong>all of them</strong> deal with swearing as a way of <strong>making a solemn promise</strong> (including taking the Lord’s name in vain) and cursing as <strong>pronouncing punishment</strong>. I chose the verses quoted above because they provide an interesting insight into the way that the original, scriptural meaning of these words has mutated radically since the initial pronouncements &#8211; coming to mean something now that simply was not included or intended in the scriptural admonitions.</p>
<p>It is interesting that neither term (”swear” or “curse”) is defined in the Bible Dictionary. I take this as a sign that those who compiled this resource didn’t feel it was necessary to do so &#8211; that the scriptural usage was so consistent and obvious that no further commentary was necessary. Given that situation, the following definitions come straight from the dictionary:</p>
<p>“to swear” = “<strong>to bind oneself by oath</strong>.” (There are 10 definitions; 9 fit this general meaning.)</p>
<p>“to swear” = “<strong>to use profane oaths or language</strong>”  (This is the only exception to the general rule.</p>
<p>“to curse” = “<strong>to express a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc.</strong> &#8211; to invoke a formula or charm intended to cause such misfortune to another.” (again, the majority of definitions)</p>
<p>“to curse” = “<strong>to use a profane oath or curse word</strong>; to swear at”  (one definition)</p>
<p>It is interesting and instructive to note that the second definitions (profane language and profane oaths) do <strong>NOT</strong> appear in our scriptures. Every instance of “swearing” and “cursing” throughout our canon involves the first definitions. What does this mean?</p>
<p>First, it is apparent that “swearing” means making a solemn oath or promise. (”I swear it shall be done.” -<strong> EVERY post can be improved by adding a quote from TPB.</strong>) In the OT, as a token of their status as The Chosen People, Israel was allowed (even encouraged) to make these sacred promises in the name of God &#8211; to swear by His name. However, one of the aspects of the Law of Moses that was fulfilled by Jesus was this practice. In its place, Jesus commanded to “swear not at all”.</p>
<p>Obviously, He did not command that we stop making solemn promises, since His new admonition was the following:</p>
<p>“But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”  (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=matthew+5%3A37&amp;do=Search">Matthew 5:37</a>)</p>
<p>By ending the Old Testament practice of swearing by God, and <strong>by shifting the responsibility to us</strong> &#8211; as individuals &#8211; to restrict our promises to “Yea, yea; Nay, nay”, He put the responsibility for keeping those promises squarely on us &#8211; as individuals. There no longer was the excuse that, “God just didn’t do it;” it was replaced by the only possible statement, <strong>“I just didn’t do it.”</strong> I see this move as one more example of the move from institutional responsibility to personal responsibility. Jesus said, essentially, “It’s up to you, so don’t even imply that it was someone else’s decision or is someone else’s responsibility.”</p>
<p><strong>So, how did we get from the original pronouncements of Jesus &#8211; the great societal paradigm shift &#8211; to where we are now?</strong></p>
<p>The Puritan and Victorian societies of the past few hundred years simply took this basic shift and rejected it &#8211; returning to the old Law of Moses mentality and expanding the meaning of “swear” and “curse” even beyond where it had been anciently. Just as the ancient Jewish leaders expanded the original commandments by adding many prohibitions not included in the original law (&#8220;hedging about the law&#8221;), modern Christians added layers of meaning to these ancient prohibitions and turned them into restrictions they never were intended to be.</p>
<p>Now, in our society, people have returned to “swearing by some sacred being or object”, but they also have created a completely new definition / category of swearing. Now, it includes “using unacceptable words” &#8211; <strong>words defined by the educated elite to distinguish those who are cultured and those who are not.</strong> They have changed the original meaning from “making  promises for God” to “<strong>saying words that show you are more ignorant than us</strong>“.  That is a radical and divisive change, and it is mentioned repeatedly by LDS members and those elsewhere all the time.</p>
<p>These same people have taken “cursing” from a statement of malicious intent and desire to cause harm to the same generic “saying bad words” &#8211; also a radical and prideful change.  Also, the following is important:</p>
<p>“Profane” means “characterized by irreverence or contempt for God or sacred principles or things; irreligious”. That is the key issue, imo &#8211; that our society has confused and conflated “vulgar” with “profane”. There are lots of words that have no religious meaning or connotation whatsoever &#8211; that are not “profane” in any way, shape or form &#8211; that, nonetheless, have come to be seen as “profane” (as somehow irreligious and offensive to God).</p>
<p><strong>***F</strong><strong>or those of you who do not want to read specific examples, stop reading now and go straight to the comments.*** </strong></p>
<p><strong>***</strong><strong>I mean it. The rest of this post includes some words that some might find offensive. I do not use any of the examples that I think would cause the most severe reaction, but I spell out completely those I do use.***<br />
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<p>Here are just a few examples, using the most tame words I feel comfortable using here:</p>
<p>“Hell” is a proper noun that designates a location and/or condition. It is used in our scriptures hundreds of times, at least. It is sung in our hymns of worship. When used as a proper noun (”come hell or high water”), and not within a true curse (&#8220;Go to Hell.&#8221;) or meaningless addition (&#8220;Oh, hell!&#8221;), there is absolutely nothing bad or wrong with the word itself. Yet, “hell” is forbidden by many people as a “swear word”.</p>
<p><strong>**LITTLE KNOWN ENGLISH LESSON ALERT**:</strong></p>
<p>“Damn” is a noun meaning “something of little value”. A good example of this is, “That isn’t worth a damn,” &#8211; meaning it is worthless. On the other hand, “to damn” means to enact a curse &#8211; to cause someone to become of no worth, figuratively casting someone to Hell (the place where they are of no worth). Therefore, “Damn you,” is exactly what is forbidden in scriptures, for two reasons:</p>
<p>1) It incorrectly places the one who “curses” another in the place of God, the only one who can be the Judge and validly make such a pronouncement; and<br />
2) it invokes that status in opposition to Jesus’ command to “swear not at all” &#8211; since invoking such a curse is, in effect, stating one’s authority to “promise in the name of God” that it will happen.</p>
<p>However, to use the word &#8220;damn&#8221; (even as a verb) is not proscribed in our canonized scriuptures &#8211; as in, &#8220;God damns those who fight him,&#8221; or &#8220;I don&#8217;t want my efforts at work to be damned.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are some examples that never were part of religion, but only came to be seen that way as a result of the elitist division I mentioned earlier. “Bastard” simply means child born out of wedlock, so “bastardize” meant to make illegitimate or corrupt. “Bitch” means female dog &#8211; no worse or better in its original meaning than “ewe” or “doe” (or ram or steed) or any other name for an animal. It was the application of the word to “those who act like a female dog” (originally &#8220;bitching and whining&#8221;) that pushed it into the category of unacceptable “swear words”.  &#8220;Shit&#8221; simply means &#8220;feces&#8221; &#8211; and, in its extended meaning, anything else that is disgusting and/or worthless.  It was the fact that such words were employed almost exclusively by the uneducated, unwashed masses as “gutter terms” that led to their classification as unacceptable words. <strong>Rich, educated, elite people found other ways of saying the same thing in an acceptable manner.</strong> (That is an incredibly important point, but it is not understood by the vast majority of people when considering “swear words”.)</p>
<p><strong>IMPORTANT AUTHOR&#8217;S NOTE AND SUMMARY:</strong> Please understand, I do not advocate “swearing and cursing” IN UNCONTROLLED, PUBLIC VENUES as they are defined in our day and age. I try to avoid placing intentional offense in front of people, even when I feel that such offense is misguided and somewhat immature. (Hence, my warning within this post about the words I spell out fully.) I teach my children that “swearing and cursing”, as defined in our modern times, are not violations of religious command but, rather, violations of societal expectations &#8211; but I also advise them to follow that expectation. In this case, not putting a stumblingblock in front of others is more important than doing something just because it’s not wrong. It is a personal sacrifice for the overall harmony of the community, exactly as someone who doesn&#8217;t feel it is necessary to cover up while breastfeeding might still do so in order to honor the general sensibilities of their community. I teach my children that the proper definition of “swearing” and using “curse words” in our time should be “<strong>using certain words out of original meaning as </strong><strong>expletives </strong>(or words with no inherent meaning as used in the new context).” In this context, it is perfectly acceptable to use an alternate term for manure, as long as you are referring to manure (&#8220;Don&#8217;t step in the horse shit.&#8221;), but not within an  expression like, “Oh, shit!”  That is my personal decision; your mileage may vary.</p>
<p>I just wish people would stop telling other people they will be damned to Hell for swearing and cursing according to our bastardized interpretations. That simply isn’t scriptural. Remember, it is God Himself and His prophets who use the words “damn” and &#8220;hell&#8221; in our scriptures exponentially more than anyone else.</p>
<p><em>Discuss the following</em>:</p>
<p>What is the difference between a one syllable word and a five syllable word if they mean exactly the same thing? Why is &#8220;excrement&#8221; or &#8220;feces&#8221; more acceptable than &#8220;shit&#8221;?  Why is one forbidden and one allowed?  Why is &#8220;frak&#8221; any better than the alternative?  Why is &#8220;heck&#8221; any better than &#8220;hell&#8221;?  Are peculiarly Mormon substitutes any different than the move by elitist Victorian prudes to discriminate against the unwashed masses in speech?</p>
<p><strong>IMPORTANT EDITING NOTE</strong>:  Please avoid using certain words that will be considered socially taboo on even a more liberal Mormon blog like this one. This post is <strong>NOT</strong> tacit permission to pretend this is a George Carlin monologue.  Please limit specific words to those listed in the post, as specific words are not the focus on this post. <strong><em>There is plenty of ammo in the post; no more is required or desired. </em></strong></p>
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		<title>The Curious Case of Solomon Spaulding</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For years now I&#8217;ve heard people offhandedly dismiss the Book of Mormon as a known plagiarism of &#8220;the Solomon Spaulding manuscript.&#8221; I&#8217;ve finally gotten around to researching this oft-cited alternative theory about the true origins of the Book of Mormon, and I was both perplexed and amused by what I found. For rarely does one [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years now I&#8217;ve heard people offhandedly dismiss the Book of Mormon as a known plagiarism of &#8220;the Solomon Spaulding manuscript.&#8221; I&#8217;ve finally gotten around to researching this oft-cited alternative theory about the <em>true </em>origins of the Book of Mormon, and I was both perplexed and amused by what I found. For rarely does one find an alternative theory advanced to expose the true origins<em> </em>of a controversial work when that alternative theory is almost as fanciful and far-fetched as the &#8220;official story&#8221; it is meant to debunk.</p>
<p>Although there are sure to be many readers who are already familiar with the Spaulding manuscript theory, I thought there might be a lot of folks out there who, like me until somewhat recently, still haven&#8217;t heard one of the most entertaining stories in Mormon (and anti-Mormon) history.</p>
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<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">How and when did the Spaulding manuscript theory originate, and what is it meant to explain?</span></strong></p>
<p>The Spaulding manuscript theory was first advanced in 1833 by Dr. Philastus Hurlbut, an excommunicated Mormon and known opponent of the Church.  Hurlbut&#8217;s theory was disseminated more widely in 1834 when it was published in the &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; book <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Mormonism Unvailed</span> by E.D. Howe.  For more than a century afterwards, numerous authors of <em>exposés </em>on Mormonism embraced the Spaulding manuscript theory to explain the &#8220;true origins&#8221; of significant portions of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>In short, the Spaulding manuscript theory attempts to explain where the &#8220;real&#8221; authors of the Book of Mormon (presumably Joseph Smith and/or Sidney Rigdon and Oliver Cowdrey) got the elaborate historical narrative found in the Book of Mormon (e.g., the central characters like Lehi, Nephi, and Moroni, and the alleged &#8220;historic accounts&#8221; of centuries of wars and bloodshed).  To be clear, the Spaulding manuscript theory is <em>not </em>offered to explain the true origin of the <em>religious </em>aspects of the Book of Mormon.  Rather, it is suggested that the &#8220;real&#8221; authors of the Book of Mormon used the Spaulding manuscript&#8217;s main plot, central characters, and setting, and then mixed in religious sermons and doctrines from other sources.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Who was Solomon Spaulding?</span></strong></p>
<p>Solomon Spaulding was born in Connecticut in 1761, graduated from Dartmouth in 1785, and spent three or four years as a Congregationalist minister before leaving the ministry and embarking on a series of unsuccessful business ventures in New York and Ohio.  He lived in Conneaut, OH during the time when he is alleged to have written his manuscript.  He left Ohio and relocated to Amity, PA in 1812 , where he died in 1816.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">What are the main assertions of the Spaulding manuscript theory?</span></strong></p>
<p>Proponents of the Spaulding manuscript theory allege that Spaulding became fascinated with the numerous Indian burial mounds he had encountered in the Ohio area, and that he wrote a historical romance to explain the existence of the mound builders on the American continent, which he allegedly entitled &#8220;Manuscript Found&#8221;.  Spaulding supposedly read lengthy portions of his manuscript to his family and neighbors on a frequent basis such that they became quite familiar with his story and could recall its details even decades later.</p>
<p>Spaulding allegedly took his &#8220;Manuscript Found&#8221; to the printing office of a Mr. Patterson in Pittsburgh, PA some time around 1812 with hopes of profiting from his historical romance.  But, as the theory goes, the alleged manuscript was never published for unknown reasons.  The theory further alleges that Sidney Rigdon somehow acquired the Spaulding manuscript from Patterson&#8217;s printing office in Pittsburgh sometime thereafter. Spaulding died in 1816, four years after he allegedly deposited the manuscript with Patterson.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">What is the principal &#8220;evidence&#8221; for and against the proposition that Solomon Spaulding authored a manuscript similar to the Book of Mormon?</span></strong></p>
<p>To be clear, Solomon Spaulding is <em>not </em>the source of the &#8220;Solomon manuscript theory.&#8221; Spaudling never claimed that the Book of Mormon was a plagiarism of something he&#8217;d previously written.  Of course, he could never have made such a claim because he died in 1816, fourteen years before the Book of Mormon was published.  By the time the Solomon Spaulding theory was advanced in Howe&#8217;s <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Mormonism Unvailed</span> in 1834, Spaulding had been dead for 18 years.  Thus, in pointing to Solomon Spaulding as the &#8220;real&#8221; source of the Book of Mormon&#8217;s historical narrative, Dr. Hurlbut and Mr. Howe point us to a dead man who can neither confirm nor deny their claims.</p>
<p>Of course, there are other ways of confirming whether Spaulding did, in fact, write a manuscript similar to the Book of Mormon.  If Spaulding was as fond of reading his manuscript to his neighbors as Howe claims, one would expect to find at least just one item of correspondence or document created during Spaulding&#8217;s lifetime in which either Spaulding, a family member, or a friend, neighbor or business associate referred to his manuscript or recited at least a few of its details.  But no such luck.  The proponents of the Solomon Spaulding theory do not provide a single scrap of paper pre-dating the Book of Mormon to support the notion that Spaulding ever wrote a manuscript similar to the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>Additionally, if Spaulding had in fact deposited his manuscript with Mr. Patterson at his printing office, one would expect Patterson to confirm that fact.  But he didn&#8217;t.  To the contrary, when asked, Patterson reported he could not recall any such manuscript being brought to his printing office for publication.  Proponents of the Spaulding manuscript theory counter that Patterson indicated his printing business was managed by a Mr. Harrison Lambdin at the time in question, and that it is therefore not surprising that Patterson would not recall the manuscript.  However, this retort has two problems: first, that the Patterson-Lambdin partnership was not formed until 1818, two years after Spaulding&#8217;s death; and second, that Lambdin could not confirm that Spaulding ever brought a manuscript to Patterson&#8217;s printing office because Lambdin died in 1825, almost a decade before <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Mormonism Unvailed</span> advanced the Spaulding manuscript theory.  Thus, in pointing to Lambdin as the printer who received Spaulding&#8217;s manuscript at Patterson&#8217;s office, proponents of the theory again point us to a dead man who can neither confirm nor deny their allegations.  Furthermore, when Lambdin&#8217;s widow was asked about the matter  years later, she reported never having heard of any such manuscript being deposited with her husband, and refuted the suggestion that Lambdin ever knew or associated with a Sidney Rigdon.</p>
<p>So if there is no first-hand testimony from Spaulding himself, no testimony from the printers Patterson or Lambdin about any Spaulding manuscript being deposited with them, and no documentary evidence pre-dating the Book of Mormon indicating that Spaulding ever wrote such a manuscript, what &#8220;evidence&#8221; do the proponents of the Spaulding manuscript theory rely upon?</p>
<p>The primary &#8220;evidentiary basis&#8221; for the Spaulding manuscript theory is a collection of statements given by eight persons who claimed to be Spaulding&#8217;s neighbors in Conneaut, OH.  These eight statements were collected by the excommunicated-Mormon Dr. Hurlbut in 1833, who later sold them for $500 to E.D. Howe, who then cited them in his <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Mormonism Unvailed</span> the following year. Thus, it should be noted the primary &#8220;evidence&#8221; upon which the Solomon Spaulding theory relies, i.e., these eight statements by Ohio residents, was collected twenty-one years after Spaulding left Ohio (where he allegedly wrote his manuscript and read it to friends and family), seventeen years after Spaulding&#8217;s death, and three years after the Book of Mormon was published.</p>
<p>The eight statements gathered by Dr. Hurlbut in 1833 were obtained from Spaulding&#8217;s brother John, Spaulding&#8217;s sister-in-law, Spaulding&#8217;s business partner in Ohio, an alleged employee of Spaulding, and four of Spaulding&#8217;s neighbors in Conneaut, OH.  Taken together, the statements make the following main claims: (1) that Spaulding had read them portions of a manuscript he authored prior to his death (and therefore prior to the Book of Mormon&#8217;s publication); (2) that the manuscript was about a group of people who left Israel and came to the Americas, and who were purportedly the ancestors of the American Indians; (3) that these immigrants to the New World split into two main groups and engaged in centuries of warfare, resulting in large heaps of bodies that account for the Indian burial mounds and fortifications found throughout the country; (4) that the main characters in the manuscript were named Lehi, Nephi, Laban, Mormon, Moroni, etc.; (5) that the manuscript was written in an old Bible-like style with frequent usage of the phrase &#8220;And it came to pass&#8221;; and (6) that Spaulding wrote the manuscript such that it could pass as a believable, genuine history, and that he hoped to profit from it someday.</p>
<p>It should be noted that the three &#8220;witnesses&#8221; to the Spaulding manuscript who were closest to Spaulding, (i.e., Spaulding&#8217;s brother, sister-in-law, and business partner), were probably in their 70&#8217;s when Howe obtained their statements.  (One would presume that Spaulding&#8217;s brother, sister-in-law, and business partner were all of roughly the same age has he, and Spaulding would have been 72 when Dr. Hurlbut collected their statements.)  Thus, although it is certainly possible that Spaulding&#8217;s brother, sister-in-law, and business partner were intentionally <em>lying </em>about the existence of a manuscript authored by Spaulding, it is also possible that Hurlbut, who was a known opponent of Mormonism, <em>suggested </em>certain &#8220;recollections&#8221; to these elderly individuals when obtaining their statements.  Moreover, the statement obtained from Spaulding&#8217;s sister-in-law begins with a disclaimer about her memory, stating: &#8220;The lapse of time which has intervened prevents my recollecting but few of the leading incidents of his [Spaulding's] writings.&#8221;</p>
<p>The greatest strength of the Spaulding theory is the argument that eight persons would not intentionally <em>lie </em>about Spaulding reading them stories similar to those found in the Book of Mormon.  But interestingly, the statements obtained from Spaulding&#8217;s brother, sister-in-law, and business partner raise as many questions as they purport to answer.  For example: If Spaulding had pinned his hopes of financial recovery on the manuscript, why did Spaulding&#8217;s family not attempt to follow up with the printer Patterson about the status of the proposed publication of Spaulding&#8217;s manuscript after his death? And if they were so convinced and outraged by the Book of Mormon&#8217;s plagiarism of Spaulding&#8217;s manuscript, why did Spaulding&#8217;s family members never pursue any legal remedies against Smith, et al.?</p>
<p>In the next several decades following the publication of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Mormonism Unvailed</span><em>, </em>additional &#8220;witnesses&#8221; to the Spaulding manuscript surfaced here and there, each making claims similar to those found in the eight original statements obtained by Dr. Hurlbut.  Presumably, the most credible of these were the alleged statements of Spaulding&#8217;s widow and only child.  In 1839, a Reverend in Massachusetts claimed to have obtained a statement from Spaulding&#8217;s widow in which she affirmed the general claims made by the other eight persons, and related a story where her neighbors and brother-in-law in Ohio had become outraged when Mormon missionaries read them portions of the Book of Mormon, which they all immediately recognized as being taken from Spaulding&#8217;s &#8220;Manuscript Found.&#8221; Mormons researching the story report that Spaulding&#8217;s widow denied making several of the statements that the Massachusetts Reverend had attributed to her.</p>
<p>Then in 1880, a newspaper reporter published what was claimed to be a statement from Spaulding&#8217;s only child, in which she claimed to remember her father reading his manuscript to her when she was six years of age, and claimed to remember it containing names like Mormon, Moroni, Lamanite, and Nephi.  Of course, the reliability of this statement is in doubt because it comes from someone in her 70&#8217;s reciting events that occurred when she was six years old.</p>
<p>The other additional statements that surfaced from persons purporting to have heard Spaulding&#8217;s stories suffer from the same reliability problem because those statements were given by elderly persons in the 1870&#8217;s-1880&#8217;s, some sixty and seventy years <em>after </em>Spaulding allegedly deposited his manuscript with Patterson&#8217;s office.</p>
<p>Even more curious are the theories about how Joseph Smith, Sidney Ridgon, or Oliver Cowdery might have obtained Spaulding&#8217;s manuscript from Patterson&#8217;s printing office.  For it is not enough to allege Spaulding wrote a manuscript; one must also account for how the alleged &#8220;real&#8221; authors of the Book of Mormon got their hands on that manuscript.  But the &#8220;evidence&#8221; supporting the theories about how Smith, Rigdon, or Cowdery would have gained access to the Spalding manuscript is even more tenuous than the evidence that Spaulding ever wrote a manuscript similar to the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>What if the Solomon Spaulding theory were advanced in a court of law today?<br />
</strong></span></p>
<p>As someone who has done a fair share of copyright infringement litigation, I can tell you that if someone filed a lawsuit alleging that the Book of Mormon was plagiarized from the Spaulding manuscript, that person would at a minimum be required to prove: (1) the existence of a manuscript authored by Spaulding before the Book of Mormon was published; (2) that the publisher(s) of the Book of Mormon had <em>access </em>that Spaulding manuscript; and (3) that the Book of Mormon and the Spaulding manuscript share more than just <em>generic </em>similarities (e.g., a group of people migrating from the Old World to the New World).  Of course, proponents of the Spaulding theory would fail in their claim because they have never been able to produce the manuscript bearing more than generic similarities to the Book of Mormon, nor have they been able to conclusively demonstrate that the publishers of the Book of Mormon had access to such a manuscript. (For example, although they claim it was Rigdon who obtained the Spaulding manuscript from Patterson&#8217;s printing office, there is no evidence that Rigdon and Joseph Smith met each other before the Book of Mormon&#8217;s publication.)</p>
<p>In the end, the Spaulding manuscript theory amounts to a tale about significant portions of the Book of Mormon being stolen from a manuscript that is nowhere to be found, purportedly authored by a man who died 17 years before the theory was ever concocted, and supposedly left in the hands of a printer who disclaims having ever seen it.  And that&#8217;s the story that&#8217;s supposed to be far more convincing than the idea of Joseph Smith translating the Book of Mormon from a golden book that was received from, and returned to, an angel?</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Post Script: The Curious Case of Solomon Spaulding Gets Curiouser &#8212; Spaulding&#8217;s &#8220;Manuscript Found&#8221; is Found!</strong></span></p>
<p>As it turns out, Solomon Spaulding did write a manuscript after all.  In 1884, a Mr. L.L. Rice found a manuscript authored by Spaulding amongst the many files he&#8217;d inherited when he purchased the Painesville Telegraph from E.D. Howe, author of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Mormonism Unvailed</span>.  Howe had reportedly obtained the manuscript from Dr. Hurlbut while doing research for his exposé on Mormonism; it is known that Howe paid Hurlbut $500 for the eight affidavits he had collected.  Spaulding&#8217;s widow reported that Hurlbut had asked permission to search Spauldings papers for the long lost manuscript, offering her half the publication proceeds if he could locate it.  She agreed and Hurlbut actually found amongst Spaulding&#8217;s papers a manuscript of about 45,000 words, about one-sixth the length of the Book of Mormon. But there was just one major problem for Hurlbut: the manuscript was obviously not the original source material for the Book of Mormon.  Instead of containing a story about a group of Israelites coming to the Americas with names like Lehi, Nephi, etc., the manuscript contained a story about a group of Romans who were blown off course while sailing to Great Britain and landed in the Americas, and consisted mainly of lengthy descriptions about the customs of the various Indian tribes the Roman party encountered.</p>
<p>When Hurlbut located the Spaulding manuscript, he reportedly showed it to the persons who had previously sworn affidavits about the similarities between Spaulding&#8217;s work and the Book of Mormon.  But when confronted with the Spaulding manuscript&#8217;s obvious lack of similarity to the Book of Mormon, rather than recognizing and admitting the obvious possibility that they had &#8220;misrecollected&#8221; the true nature of Spaulding&#8217;s manuscript, they suggested Spaulding must have also authored a &#8220;second manuscript&#8221; similar to the Book of Mormon.  Of course, the &#8220;second manuscript&#8221; was nowhere to be found, and over a century later, no &#8220;second manuscript&#8221; has ever been located.</p>
<p>Incredibly, the theory about a long-lost &#8220;second manuscript&#8221; kept the Spaulding manuscript theory alive and well amongst opponents of Mormonism for several decades to come.  Eventually, though, even authors of critical histories of Mormonism recognized that the Spaulding manuscript theory lacked any credible basis, such as Fawn Brodie who thoroughly dismantled and dismissed the theory in her 1945 book <span style="text-decoration: underline;">No Man Knows My History</span>.  But you can decide for yourself, because thanks to the wonders of the Internet and the RLDS church (which subsequently published Spaulding&#8217;s manuscript to refute the Spaulding manuscript theory), you can read Spaulding&#8217;s controversial manuscript <a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.solomonspalding.com/docs/Spldms77.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.solomonspalding.com/docs/spldgmss.htm&amp;usg=__xGsGZu22GYIadMEp-4Z-83GZX9g=&amp;h=300&amp;w=240&amp;sz=44&amp;hl=en&amp;start=23&amp;tbnid=puujW2bMIipAVM:&amp;tbnh=116&amp;tbnw=93&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsolomon%2Bspalding%26start%3D21%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN">here</a>.</p>
<p>Poor Solomon Spaulding.  One wonders how he&#8217;d feel knowing his name is still remembered 195 years after his death simply because someone used it to advance one of the most preposterous theories to date about the supposed <em>true</em> origins of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>* * * * *</p>
<p><strong>SOURCES:</strong></p>
<p>Howe, E.D., (1834) <em>Mormonism Unvailed </em>Painesville, Telegraph Press.</p>
<p>Kidder, D.P. (1842) <em>Mormonism and the Mormons </em>New York, Carlton &amp; Lanham, pub.</p>
<p>Patterson, Jr., Robert (1882) <em>Who Wrote the Book of Mormon?</em> Philadelphia, L.H. Everts &amp; Co.</p>
<p>Brodie, Fawn M. (1963) <em>No Man Knows my History </em>New York: Alfred A. Knoft</p>
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		<title>The Symbolic Image of Christ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much has been said in church magazines and the Bloggernacle about the image of Joseph Smith.  Do we know what Joseph Smith really looked like?  Are our statues and paintings truly representative of him?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much has been said in church magazines and the Bloggernacle about the image of Joseph Smith.  Do we know what Joseph Smith really looked like?  Are our statues and paintings truly representative of him?</p>
<p>This is not the point of my post here, though.  I recently had a conversation with my fiancee about Rastafarianism, mentioning that Rastas believe that Jesus Christ was black.  I admitted that, though I personally don&#8217;t see much evidence for that, I did concede that Jesus probably looked very different than what most Mormons envision.</p>
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<p>A lot of new Mormon art depicts a very clean, good-looking Christ.  There is &#8220;beauty, that we may desire him.&#8221;  Here&#8217;s an example from a very popular artist among Latter-day Saints, Simon Dewey:</p>
<p style="center;"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://oneyearbibleimages.com/holy_one_israel.jpg" alt="" width="346" height="450" /></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always preferred the depictions of Christ done by Harry Anderson.  They seemed marginally more authentic to me than the newer, &#8220;shinier&#8221; depictions of a Christ who had, apparently, full access to conditioner, a washing machine, a toothbrush, a nice hairbrush, etc.</p>
<p style="center;"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://www.picturesofjesus4you.com/images/john_baptizing_jesus_anderson_l.jpg" alt="" width="246" height="300" /></p>
<p>However, even Anderson&#8217;s paintings have a &#8220;familiar&#8221; feel to them.  Most portrayals of Christ that I see in our meetinghouses follow the same general pattern:  Christ is medium-to-tall height, has a generally thinnish build, very Caucasian-looking, has a full head of long hair, a beard.  He has a long face, a long, thin nose (what you&#8217;d call a &#8220;Roman&#8221; nose), robes and sandals.  He is generally a handsome man.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always mused to myself on the possibilities of what Christ truly looked like.  Could he have been short?  Prematurely bald?  Could he have been missing teeth?  Could he have looked more like George Costanza from Seinfeld?</p>
<p>Furthermore, Christ is generally portrayed as Caucasian in our artwork, but we know he was a Jew.  I&#8217;ve almost thought numerous times that the only one of Christ&#8217;s Twelve Apostles in paintings that looks &#8220;Jewish&#8221; (according to the stereotype generally pushed in the American media) is Judas Iscariot, who can be seen cruelly and evilly clutching his money bag.  Interesting.  So was Christ white?  Did he look &#8220;Jewish&#8221;?  Did he look like an Arab?  How jarring would it be to the average, white, Mormon American to see a (hypothetical) photograph of Christ in mortality that looked like he could be Osama bin Laden&#8217;s brother?</p>
<p>We only have passing clues in the scriptures as to what he looked like in mortality, and a couple interesting details about the post-mortal Christ from Joseph Smith.  There is, of course, a famous &#8220;Mormon Urban Legend&#8221; about the accuracy of this piece of artwork:</p>
<p style="center;"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://www.naturalfamilyblog.com/Jesus%20Christ%20Savior.jpg" alt="" width="290" height="417" /></p>
<p>This depiction of Christ is rather racially ambiguous.  He has a slightly darker (ruddy?) complexion and hair that could &#8220;go either way.&#8221;  It&#8217;s an interesting depiction to say the least, especially considering the debunked mythology surrounding its supposed accuracy.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;ve found that I can forgive the white bread, homogenous view of Christ in our artwork for a couple reasons.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gleaned from a few sources on the Internet some diverse pictures of Christ.  Images of Christ painted by black artists and displayed in predominantly black churches may be black.  Here is an example I actually found quite touching, called Black Jesus Blesses the Children, by Joe Cauchi:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" src="http://blacklastsupper.com/images/JBC.jpg" alt="" width="252" height="306" /></p>
<p>I love how the Black Jesus in this picture looks so determined, and he has a definite look of determination as he blesses the children.  It&#8217;s as if he&#8217;s searching the distance for danger as he embraces them.  The protection portrayed in this image is just as real to me, and represents the Christ I know, as tangibly as any &#8220;white&#8221; picture I&#8217;ve seen.  I want Christ to protect me like he&#8217;s protecting these children.</p>
<p>Images of Christ painted by Asian artists may have Asian skin-tone and characteristics.  Here is a Chinese example from the 1800s:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/ChineseJesus.jpg" alt="" width="250" height="334" /></p>
<p>I think many people and artists might tell you that this is more for comfort and familiarity rather than an attempt at being historically accurate.  So it would make sense for a white artist living in a white culture (like Utah, or in a broader sense, Mormonism) to depict Christ as a being who would &#8220;fit in.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is also useful for artists to have a common language for images such as Christ, and it is <em>not</em> useful to have images of Christ that are difficult to identify.  If an artist wishes to paint Christ, say, teaching a group of people, how can he communicate without words the identity of the Teacher in his painting?  There were many teachers in the scriptures:  Paul, Ammon, Elijah, Enoch, etc., so a painting of a man with his mouth open, teaching other people by itself may not clearly identify the Teacher.  It&#8217;s useful to be able to look at a new painting and say, &#8220;Hey, it&#8217;s a picture of Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>Therefore, to me, the image of Christ is, of course, a symbol.  It is a symbol in the same way that a Cross is a symbol, or the Angel Moroni is a symbol.  It is one of the many pictures that we use in our religious language to communicate ideas, and it&#8217;s a useful one.  However, as the Church grows, we will continue to adapt to new symbols and new images.</p>
<p>So, questions.</p>
<p>The LDS faith is now moving to many new countries across the world, and is being embraced by many ethnicities and cultures, nationalities and skin colors.  Will we one day see Latino Christs in our temples?  Asian Christs?  Black Christs?  If we admit that our image of Christ is just a symbol, would we allow a painting of a black Christ in an African temple?  What about the Logan Temple?</p>
<p>Do we marginalize minorities in the Church by portraying a white Christ?</p>
<p>Is it &#8220;wrong&#8221; to portray a Christ that is probably historically inaccurate?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Nielson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my past posts I discussed the impossibility of knowing what really happened in history as well as the problem that, believe or disbelieve, we all have much riding on how Mormon history is interpreted. Either way, it&#8217;s your personal religion at stake. 
The problem with me saying that is that, well, we all know it&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/11/18/history-as-narrative-fallacy/">In my past posts</a> I discussed the impossibility of knowing what really happened in history as well as the problem that, believe or disbelieve, we all have much riding on how Mormon history is interpreted. Either way, it&#8217;s your personal religion at stake. </p>
<p>The problem with me saying that is that, well, we all know it&#8217;s true &#8212; for other people. But due to the narrative fallacy, we think we&#8217;re the exception not the rule.</p>
<p>To prove that, at times, we&#8217;re all the rule, I am forced to start with a fake example because it is the only way to not derail the conversation immediately.<span id="more-2995"></span></p>
<p><strong>When Family History and Church Collide</strong></p>
<p>I was studying my family history about an ancestor named Isaac Washington Pierce, Sr. Around the same time I was reading <em>History of the Church</em>. Imagine my surprise when I realized that the two connected; my ancestor is mentioned in <em>History of the Church</em>.</p>
<p>Isaac Pierce was part of the Kirtland camp that left Kirtland to follow Joseph Smith to Missouri. He is listed as being part of the camp on page 93 of <em>History of the Church</em>, Vol 3.</p>
<p>But more importantly the death of his baby, which happened while making the journey to Missouri, is recorded.</p>
<p>Under the Saturday, September 15 entry it states:</p>
<p>&#8220;Here T.P. Pierce&#8217;s child died, and was buried on Sunday, near Elder Keeler&#8217;s house.&#8221; (<em>History of the Church</em>, Vol. 3)</p>
<p>But now we have a bit of a problem, the name recorded is &#8220;T.P. Pierce&#8221; but there is no T.P. Pierce in my family. So could this be another Pierce? Perhaps. But there is no other &#8220;Pierce&#8221; family listed amongst the Kirtland camp even though <em>History of the Church</em> Vol 3, p 91 &#8211; 93 give a full list of the members of the camp.</p>
<p>Our best guess is that T.P. Pierce is Isaac&#8217;s wife, whose name is actually Phebe Baldwin Pierce.</p>
<p>But wait, it gets even more messy; my family&#8217;s records show the death of Isaac and Phebe&#8217;s baby as September 13, 1838, not September 15, 1838. But the Kirtland camp recorder records no deaths on September 13.</p>
<p>Could this be two different Pierce families with two different babies that happened to die two days apart? Well, while we can&#8217;t rule out the possibility entirely, the odds are very low. The fact that there is only one I.W. Pierce family listed as being part of the camp on the camp&#8217;s constitution and the fact that the initials are close to right &#8211; at least they got the &#8220;P&#8221; right even if it&#8217;s in the wrong position &#8211; and the fact that there is only one baby&#8217;s death recorded twice but within 2 days of each other makes it very likely that this is the same family and same baby&#8217;s death we are recording.</p>
<p>And yet we have two dates for the baby&#8217;s death. How could this happen? Well, it&#8217;s not hard to see that a mistake was obviously made. But which is the mistake? Is it <em>History of the Church</em> or is it my family&#8217;s history?</p>
<p>But is this really a concerning discrepancy? Of course not. Discrepancies like this happen all the time in the historical record. Historians must deal with such inconsistencies.</p>
<p><strong>What If It Were Miraculous?</strong></p>
<p>Though this discrepancy is unconcerning, let&#8217;s pretend for a moment that we&#8217;re dealing with something miraculous rather than mundane. For the sake of argument, pretend like the death of this child connected to a miraculous truth claim of a religion. Let&#8217;s get really crazy and let&#8217;s pretend that the son of Isaac Washington Pierce Sr. (named Isaac Washington Pierce, Jr.) went on to found the Completely Reformed and Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (CRRLDS) and that his foundational miracle was the visit of an angel and a dictated revelation from the angel that in parts states:</p>
<p>&#8220;I come to deliver these truths to you on the 13<sup>th</sup> of September, the very date of the death of your father&#8217;s child when part of the Kirtland camp traveling to Missouri. For God is mindful of your family.&#8221;</p>
<p>We now have a miraculous event tied to one of the two dates in question, which means that the inconsistency just took on a whole new level of importance. What before was clearly just the natural inconsistency of the historical record now becomes the basis for denying the truth claims of the CRRLDS.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s imagine we are anti-CRRLDS&#8217;s making an argument that the revelation in question was fraudulent.</p>
<p><strong>The Anti-CRRLDS for September 13 Date Being Wrong</strong></p>
<p>The CRRLDS is clearly making up their founding revelation. The revelation claims to have been delivered on 13 of September, 1838, the date of the death of the Sr. Pierce&#8217;s child. But the Kirtland camp recorded keeper gives us the truth date as 15<sup>th</sup> of September.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider this rationally, what are the odds that the camp record keeper in the Kirtland camp, who was keeping a daily journal, got this date wrong? Pierce Jr. fabricated this revelation on the date he <em>thought</em> the child died, but we know he used the wrong date. My guess is that angels don&#8217;t make mistakes like this.</p>
<p><strong>The Apologist Response for September 13 Date</strong></p>
<p>There are two dates recorded, but we feel that the parent&#8217;s personal records in question are more likely to be correct. We all know that daily journals sometimes get written days later with retro dates and this could easily be a mistake.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>What I find interesting is that the Anti-CRRLDS argument really seems like a good argument. It would cause me to pause and wonder at the possibility that the foundational revelation for the CRRLDS is a fabrication.</p>
<p>And I also have to admit that the apologist response seems weak; it seems like a lame reaction to an obvious factual problem. (&#8220;Is that the best you can do?&#8221; I think to myself.) Given that I&#8217;m not really a fan of the CRRLDS I think this would be a sufficient argument to make me simply dismiss their truth claims out of hand.</p>
<p>But wait! Let&#8217;s switch the dates around and try this again! Pretend that the revelation had the date that is listed in <em>History of the Church</em> instead of the date in the family records.</p>
<p><strong>The Anti-CRRLDS for September 15 Date Being Wrong</strong></p>
<p>The CRRLDS is clearly making up their founding revelation. The revelation claims to have been delivered on September 15, 1838, the date of the death of the Sr. Pierce&#8217;s child, as recorded and published in <em>History of the Church</em>. . However, we know from family records that the real date of the death of his child was September 13, 1838.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider this rationally, what are the odds that the family remembered the death of their own child wrong? Pierce Jr. fabricated this revelation on the date he <em>thought</em> his father&#8217;s child died, but we know he used the wrong date. My guess is that angels don&#8217;t make mistakes like this.</p>
<p><strong>The Apologist for the CRRLDS for September 15 Date</strong></p>
<p>There are two dates recorded, but we feel that the Kirtland camp recorders date is more likely to be correct. After all, camp recorders often record right on the very day whereas family records are probably recorded later.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Oh my goodness! The Anti-CRRLDS statement <em>still</em> seems strong to me. And the apologist rebuttal <em>still</em> seems weak. I know myself well enough to know I&#8217;m still going to dismiss the CRRLDS out of hand based on this attack.</p>
<p>But how could this be? How can either way seem like a legitimate attack and in both cases the apologist rebuttal seems weak?</p>
<p><strong>Two Improbables</strong></p>
<p>The reason both attacks seems strong and both rebuttals seem weak is because the odds of either date being wrong is highly improbable. It makes little sense to our minds that a daily note keeper could record a death on the wrong day but it makes no more sense to us that a family could mis-remember the death of a baby and record it wrong. Yet one of these two improbables happened. <u>The apologists must defend an improbable event to a skeptical audience either way</u>.</p>
<p>When there is nothing miraculous involved with the inconsistent dates, there is really no reason to worry about the improbability of either event, so our minds fill in the gaps without effort. When there is something miraculous at stake, our natural skepticism &#8211; and by this I mean our natural bias &#8211; kicks in and suddenly the inconsistency seems like a counter proof to the miraculous event.</p>
<p><strong>The Illusion of Information</strong></p>
<p>But does the date discrepancy tell us something meaningful about whether or not the CRRLDS revelation is made up or not?</p>
<p>Since we know this is a real non-miraculous historical discrepancy, and since we know there is no such thing as the CRRLDS, we know this is a made up foundational revelation. But that fact &#8211; that this foundational revelation is made up &#8211; is literally unrelated to the date issue. It&#8217;s like trying to determine the stock market using astrology. The inconsistency of the dates tells us nothing about whether or not this foundational revelation of the CRRLDS is made up.</p>
<p>Let me say it again: Despite what an effective counter argument this seems to be in proving the CRRLDS revelation a fraud, the fact that there is an inconsistency in the dates literally told us nothing about whether or not the CRRLDS revelation was a fraud. Nothing as in zippo, nada, nill, nothing, not a single thing at all.</p>
<p>Both of the &#8220;anti&#8221; attacks are really just narrative fallacies. Both are 100% information deficient because they convey, in Black Swan terminology, only <u>the illusion of information</u>.</p>
<p>By comparison, the apologists defense really does convey useful information because it concentrates on what we don&#8217;t know. It is unfortunate that our brains simply aren&#8217;t wired to recognize that the apologists are more factually right then the attackers.</p>
<p><strong>Just the Facts Ma&#8217;am</strong></p>
<p>This example will illustrate the problem of history in general and LDS history in particular: so much of it is only the illusion of information. Yet our brains are incapable of identifying the difference between real information and the illusion of information. Yes, there are facts here, but what are they really?</p>
<p>In my made up scenario the undisputed points are: [1]</p>
<ol type="1">
<li>The baby died either on September 13 or September 15.</li>
<li>There was a foundational &#8220;revelation&#8221; for the CRRLDS that mentions one of the two dates.</li>
<li>The foundational revelation may or may not be a fraud.</li>
</ol>
<p>The narrative used by the anti-CRRLDS to &#8220;prove&#8221; that the foundational revelation is a fraud supplies no information but instead is a good story that helps the information stick in our minds. Our minds, grasping for such a story, can&#8217;t help but feel that somehow the narrative conveys additional information that is probably true.</p>
<p>But as we&#8217;ve shown, the narrative actually conveys no information at all. <u>All it&#8217;s really doing is taking an inconsistency that was naturally supplied by the historical record and then playing off our natural bias against the CRRLDS</u> to help us form a narrative fallacy that explains the data points in an unfriendly way.</p>
<p><strong>Did the Inconsistency Matter In the First Place?</strong></p>
<p>But did this inconsistency even matter at all? I can prove it didn&#8217;t. Let&#8217;s take our anti-CRRLDS and demand an answer to the one question that really did matter: if the two dates matched would that have convinced them that the revelation was true?</p>
<p>Well, it would seem that fact 1 and fact 3 are unrelated then, because apparently even without an inconsistency, the revelation is still believed to be a fraud. This whole inconsistency never meant a thing to anyone. It&#8217;s merely a misdirection to justify a predestined conclusion.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusions</strong></p>
<p>This made up example illustrates the ease with which we can confuse a narrative fallacy that conveys no information at all with real information. It also illustrates that our biases play a substantial role in how we judge narrative fallacies as being meaningful or not &#8211; even when they are obviously not meaningful. It also demonstrates that that history is naturally full of improbable inconsistencies and that the existence of these inconsistencies tells us nothing about whether or not the events or related events were fraudulent. It also demonstrates that even if the inconsistencies in the historical record did not exist the probability of fraudulence does not change.</p>
<p><strong>Notes:</strong></p>
<p>[1] I hesitate to even call the above &#8220;facts&#8221; because in reality the only &#8220;facts&#8221; we have are that someone <em>said</em> the baby died and died on one of those two days. It&#8217;s, of course, possible that baby didn&#8217;t die, or that we had two babies, or that both dates are wrong. But since no one is disputing any of that, I&#8217;ll stick with my simplified list, even though this list isn&#8217;t actually a list of real facts either.</p>
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		<title>History as Narrative Fallacy aka What Type of Apologist Are You?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Nielson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;History is opaque. You see what comes out, not the script that produces events, the generator of history. There is a fundamental incompleteness in your grasp of such events, since you do not see what&#8217;s inside the box, how the mechanisms work. &#8230;the minds of the gods cannot be read just by witnessing their deeds. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;History is opaque. You see what comes out, not the script that produces events, the generator of history. There is a fundamental incompleteness in your grasp of such events, since you do not see what&#8217;s inside the box, how the mechanisms work. &#8230;the minds of the gods cannot be read just by witnessing their deeds. You are very likely to be fooled about their intentions.&#8221; (<em>The Black Swan</em>, P. 8 )</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/11/15/what-is-a-black-swan-a-book-review/">In a previous post I discussed the realities of The Black Swan</a>, those improbable events that rule our lives but we pretend don&#8217;t and can&#8217;t happen. I also discussed how in actuality &#8220;randomness&#8221; is really just incomplete information. And finally I discussed how we feel the need to reverse engineer explanation for historical events &#8212; even though it&#8217;s impossible &#8212; and how, once we do, we have a really hard time realizing that there is more than one viable explanation for the same event. [1]</p>
<p>Which brings me to how this all directly relates to the LDS Church and specifically to the intolerance we show each other on the Bloggernacle at times. It is all directly related to two facts:</p>
<ol type="1">
<li>History is a collection of facts demanding interpretation before we can process them.</li>
<li>Thus all history is mostly narrative fallacy.</li>
</ol>
<p><span id="more-2965"></span>This means that two people can and will interpret it differently and both will have been fooled by their brains to believe that theirs is the one best way to explain those facts and only an idiot or liar would think otherwise.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to see that this simple explanation explains everything about the relationship between more believing and less believing Mormons. Indeed, it explains the relationship between Mormons and Evagelicals, and Evangelicals and Liberals and&#8230; Democrats and Republicans, and Communists and&#8230; well&#8230; it sort of explains life. Let&#8217;s leave it at that.</p>
<p>Why? Because some people have a narrative fallacy in the mind that proves or disproves the truth claims of the LDS Church (or fill in the blank point of view). To those that think they disproved it, it&#8217;s just obvious that the LDS Church is not &#8220;the one truth church.&#8221; Depending on their personal point of view it might also seem &#8220;obvious&#8221; to them that Joseph Smith was a charlatan, or that he was sincere but misguided, etc. To those that think they have proven it, the same could be said, but in reverse.</p>
<p>Furthermore, anyone that is held bound by a different narrative fallacy must seem like they are being deceptive, <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/09/15/bloggernacle-thought-brainwashing/">or at least brainwashed</a>, by comparison. After all, both of you are being fooled by randomness (i.e. lack of information) on the subject into creating narrative fallacies to explain the outcome. And both of you, having defective brains, can&#8217;t help but feel &#8220;you&#8217;ve figured it all out.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why we need to understand the real limits of history if we are ever to &#8220;get along.&#8221;</p>
<p>NNT is a huge history buff, so he wanted to treat history and historians well. Unlike financiers, sociologies, and statisticians, which he feels are usually charlatans, the historian&#8217;s craft has value even if that value is not actually finding out &#8220;what really happened.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>History is useful for the thrill of knowing the past, and for the narrative (indeed), provided it remains a harmless narrative. One should learn under severe caution. History is certainly not a place to theorize or derive general knowledge, nor is it meant to help in the future, without some caution. We can get negative confirmation from history [i.e. find a Black Swan and thereby prove something], which is invaluable, <span style="underline;">but we get plenty of illusions of knowledge along with it.</span> (p. 199)</p></blockquote>
<p>NNT&#8217;s advice to use history safely is, &#8220;Learn to read history, get all the knowledge you can, do not frown on the anecdote, but do not draw any causal links, do not try to reverse engineer too much &#8211; but if you do, do not make big scientific claims.&#8221; (p. 199)</p>
<p>This seems like obviously good advice, but as NNT points out, it runs counter to the current thinking by modern historians. He quotes historians that are &#8220;explicitly pursuing causation as a central aspect of [their] job.&#8221; (p. 199) Isn&#8217;t that what we&#8217;ve always been taught is the whole point of history? Are we not told that historians are to find cause and effect and that this is useful so that we aren&#8217;t &#8220;doomed to repeat&#8221; our mistakes?</p>
<p>His conclusion: &#8220;The more we try to turn history into anything other than an enumeration of accounts to be enjoyed with minimal theorizing, the more we get into trouble. Are we so plagued with the narrative fallacy?&#8221; (p. 199)</p>
<p><strong>Apologists</strong></p>
<p>Mormon history suffers from an additional issue. It&#8217;s inextricably intertwined with religion &#8212; on both sides of the divide. Everyone knows that believing Mormons comprehend their history through the filter of their religious beliefs, but disaffected and non-Mormons do as well &#8212; and as much.</p>
<p>I believe this is why there are &#8220;good&#8221; apologists and &#8220;bad&#8221; apologists. The good apologists will realize the non-rationality of their beliefs (not irrationality, just non-rationality &#8211; that their beliefs are not a proven fact) and admit it up front. They will identify their biases clearly to those they address because their goal isn&#8217;t to prove. And they will take only a defensive stance (i.e. &#8220;you don&#8217;t have proof that my beliefs are wrong.&#8221;) not an offensive attack. They will never try to prove their beliefs using &#8220;reason&#8221; &#8211; which is really just a series of narrative fallacies &#8211; because they will realize there is no proof one way or the others and that rational <span style="AR-SA;" lang="EN-GB">verification </span>is beyond our reach.</p>
<p>By comparison, the bad apologists will advance their personal narrative fallacies as &#8220;proving&#8221; their position. They will claim that anyone that does no agree with them, despite having the same facts, is being deceptive or must be intellectually inferior. They will use mockery when confronted with counter facts and will not be able to admit &#8220;yes, there is more than one viable way to read these facts, but I read it this way.&#8221;</p>
<p>But what is less acknowledged is that we are all apologists, believing or unbelieving. And there are good ones and bad ones on both sides.</p>
<p><strong>So ask yourself, which type of apologist are you? Are you a good apologists or a bad apologist for your belief system?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Notes:</strong></p>
<p>[1] NNT has another excellent quote about this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The human mind suffers from three ailments as it comes into contact with history, what I call the triplet of opacity. They are:</p>
<ol type="a">
<li>the illusion of understanding, or how everyone thinks he knows what is going on in the world that is more complicated (or random) than they realize;</li>
<li>the retrospective distortion, or how we can assess matters only after the fact, as if they were in a rearview mirror (history seems clearer and more organized in history books than in empirical reality); and</li>
<li>the overvaluation of factual information and the handicap of authoritative and learned people, particularly when they create categories &#8211; when they &#8220;Platonify.&#8221; (<em>The Black Swan</em>, p. 9)</li>
</ol>
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		<title>What is a Black Swan? A Book Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Nielson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my last post I talked about how God helped me develop a more realistic, though uncomfortable, world view that excluded faith in myself. As it turns out, there is scientific backing for this view. The first book that introduced me to that science is called The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/11/08/in-whom-can-i-trust-how-i-lost-my-faith/">In my last post</a> I talked about how God helped me develop a more realistic, though uncomfortable, world view that excluded faith in myself. As it turns out, there is scientific backing for this view. The first book that introduced me to that science is called <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBlack-Swan-Impact-Highly-Improbable%2Fdp%2F1400063515%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1226602778%26sr%3D8-1&amp;tag=thelightrebor-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325">The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable</a></em> by Nassim Nicholas Taleb (from here on I&#8217;ll abbreviate NNT).  <span id="more-2897"></span></p>
<p>The book&#8217;s name comes from the idea that the human brain is not wired to deal with improbable events so we simply discount their possibility:</p>
<blockquote><p>Before the discovery of Australia, people in the Old World were convinced that <em>all</em> swans were white, an unassailable belief as it seemed completely confirmed by empirical evidence. [i.e. no one had ever seen a Black Swan to that date] &#8230;[this story] illustrates a severe limitation to our learning from observations or experience and the fragility of our knowledge. One single observation can invalidate a general statement derived from millennia of confirmatory sightings of millions of white swans. All you need is one single&#8230; black bird. (p. xvii)</p></blockquote>
<p>More to the point: &#8220;<span style="underline;">Black Swan logic makes <em>what you don&#8217;t know</em> far more relevant than what you do know.&#8221;</span> (p. xix)</p>
<p>A &#8220;Black Swan Event&#8221; has three attributes:</p>
<ol type="1">
<li>&#8220;&#8230;it is an outlier, as it lies outside the realm of regular expectations, because nothing in the past can convincingly point to its possibility&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;it carries an extreme impact.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;in spite of its outlier status, human nature makes us concoct explanations for its occurrence <em>after</em> the fact, making it explainable and predictable.&#8221; (p. xvii)</li>
</ol>
<p>The book makes the case that everything in life of significance is due to Black Swan events, yet our brains are wired to pretend they don&#8217;t exists and won&#8217;t happen again.</p>
<p>&#8220;Black Swan blindness&#8221; plays out as a major part of our lives. It is the reason why we often get into debt to the point where even a few weeks of not having a job would destroy us financially speaking. We are all wired to ignore Black Swans despite their overwhelming impact in all our lives.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;our minds are wonderful explanation machines, capable of making sense out of almost anything, capable of mounting explanations for all manner of phenomena, and generally incapable of accepting the idea of unpredictability. [Black Swan] events [are] unexplainable, but intelligent people thought they were capable of providing convincing explanations for them &#8211; after the face. Furthermore, the more intelligent the person, the better sounding the explanation.  What&#8217;s more worrisome is that all these beliefs and accounts appeared to be logically coherent and devoid of inconsistencies. (p. 10)</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Financial Markets and Financial Experts</strong></p>
<p>Finance theory is the first well accepted &#8220;science&#8221; to be debunked under the Black Swan. Financial markets are primarily based on Black Swan events, not the bell curve based statistical measurements in modern portfolio theory.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;the application of the sciences of uncertainty to real-world problems has had ridiculous effects &#8230;Go ask your portfolio manager for his definition of &#8220;risk,&#8221; and odds are that he will supply you with a <em>measure</em> that <em>excludes</em> the possibility of the Black Swan &#8211; hence one that has no better predictive value for assessing the total risks than astrology. (p. xviii)</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet we continue to use modern portfolio theory as if it meant something. This faith in a model that is a mismatch to real life reaches hilarious proportions at times.</p>
<p>How likely is a 10 sigma event on a bell curve? It&#8217;s so infinitesimally small that there is no point in considering it.  Every mathematical financial model in existence assumes that there will be no 10 sigma events because they just aren&#8217;t worth considering.</p>
<p>But how often do 10 sigma events happen in the stock market? Did you know that if you remove the 10 ten biggest one-day moves for the U.S. Stock market over the past 50 years, your returns are cut in half? Half the gains in the stock market are directly due to Black Swan events that the mathematical models we rely on assume will never happen.</p>
<blockquote><p>And consider the stock market crash of 1987. That was a <span style="underline;">20 sigma event</span>! &#8220;If the world of finance were Gaussian [i.e. a bell curve statistical model as we assume], an episode such as the crash [of 1987] (more than 20 standard deviations) would take place every several billion lifetimes of the universe.&#8221; (p. 276)</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Note: I wrote this article before the current stock market crash were we ended up with multiple sigma events all in one week. </em></p>
<p>So why do we continue to use a mathematical model that apparently has negative value? Because &#8220;people want a number to anchor on. Yet the two methods are logically incompatible.&#8221; (p. 276)</p>
<p><strong>On Melting Ice Cubes</strong></p>
<p>Any process that is based on retroactively explaining a set of data suffers from similar problems. NNT challenges us to imagine a melting ice cube and to predict what the puddle will look like after it melts. &#8220;If you have the right models&#8230; you can predict with great precision&#8221; (p. 196)</p>
<p>Now imagine instead a puddle of water on the floor. &#8220;Now try to reconstruct in your mind&#8217;s eye the shape of the ice cube it may once have been. Note that the puddle may not have necessarily originated from an ice cube.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>The first direction, from the ice cube to the puddle, is called the <em>forward process</em>. The second direction, the <em>backward process</em>, is much, much more complicated. The forward process is generally used in physics and engineering; the backward process is nonrepeatable, nonexperimental historical approaches. In a way, the limitations that prevent us from unfrying an egg also prevent us from reverse engineering history. (p. 196)</p></blockquote>
<p>NNT applies this concept to trying to determine history. The issue with history is that it&#8217;s impossible to reconstruct what really happened, we only know what the end result was:</p>
<blockquote><p>The brings me to a greater problem with the historian&#8217;s craft. I will state the fundamental problem of practice as follows: while in theory randomness is an intrinsic property, in practice, randomness is <em>incomplete information</em>&#8230; (p. 198)</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Narrative Fallacy</strong></p>
<p>But we can&#8217;t help but believe that we can reverse engineer history. Why? Due to something called the <em>Narrative Fallacy</em>. The Narrative Fallacy relates to the third attribute of a Black Swan: &#8220;human nature makes us concoct explanations for its occurrence <em>after</em> the fact, making it explainable and predictable.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have noticed that we come up with simple explanations for every complex thing around us. Unfortunately these explanations are actually fiction.</p>
<blockquote><p>The narrative fallacy addresses our limited ability to look at sequences of facts without weaving an explanation into them, or, equivalently, forcing a logical link, an <em>arrow of relationship</em>, upon them. Explanations bind facts together. They make them all the more easily remembered; they help them <em>make more sense. </em>(p. 64)</p></blockquote>
<p>And why do we naturally do this? NNT&#8217;s explanation is evolution created our brains this way. However, he points out that this isn&#8217;t the whole story. &#8220;The problem of narrativity&#8230; is not so ‘psychological&#8217;&#8230; it is more generally a problem of <em>information</em>. &#8230;Information <em>wants</em> to be reduced.&#8221; (p. 64)</p>
<p>He gives some humorous examples of how the narrative fallacy often leads us astray:</p>
<blockquote><p>In an experiment, psychologists asked women to select from among twelve pairs of nylon stockings the ones they preferred. The researches then asked the women their reasons for their choices. &#8230;All the pairs of stockings were, in fact, identical. The women supplied backfit, <em>post hoc</em> explanations. (p. 65)</p></blockquote>
<p>He also uses the famous example of split brain patients. (p. 65) In certain epilepsy patients there is an operation done to separate the halves of the brain. It is then possible to talk to each half of the brain separately by showing writing to only one eye. When the person then performs the act asked, unbeknownst to the part of their brain that talks and explains things, they invariably concoct an immediate explanation that is made up but they are convinced is true. For example, the researcher might ask the patient&#8217;s right hemisphere to walk across the room. When they do so, they then asked the person (who talks and explains through their left hemisphere) why they just walked across the room. They might respond, &#8220;I wanted to get a Coke.&#8221;</p>
<p>NNT explains this is because &#8220;you interpret pretty much as you perform other activities deemed automatic and outside your control, like breathing.&#8221; (p. 66) This is why I could recognize narrative fallacy in others but not myself. This is why I can&#8217;t stop myself from falling into them.</p>
<p>And if I could stop narrative fallacies, it might not turn out to be a good thing. Narrative Fallacies are a survival technique to be able to deal with the complexities of the world. &#8220;The same condition that makes us simplify [i.e. so that we can deal with our complex lives] pushes us to think that the world is less random than it actually is.&#8221; (p. 69)</p>
<p><strong>Does Having More Information Make You Smarter?</strong></p>
<p>In Psych 101 I remember learning about an experiment where subjects were shown an out of focus image slowly being brought into focus. The subjects that watched the image from the beginning were at a disadvantage to correctly comprehend the image compared to subjects brought in part way through the focusing process. NNT uses a similar experiment to prove that more information is actually harmful to comprehension:</p>
<blockquote><p>Show two groups of people a blurry image of a fire hydrant&#8230; For one group, increate the resolution slowly, in ten steps. For the second, do it faster, in five steps. Stop at a point where both groups have been presented an identical image&#8230;. The members of the group that saw fewer intermediate steps are likely to recognize the hydrant much faster. Moral? The more information you give someone, the more hypotheses they will formulate along the way, and the worse off they will be. They see more random noise and mistake it for information. The problem is that our ideas are sticky: once we produce a theory, we are not likely to change our minds &#8211; so those who delay developing their theories are better off. When you develop your opinions on the basis of weak evidence, you will have difficult interpreting subsequent information that contradicts these opinions, even if this new information is obviously more accurate. (p. 144)</p></blockquote>
<p>This is why people that listen to the news on the radio or television continuously obtaining up to date information on a subject will be at a disadvantage compared to someone that, say, reads a weekly magazine. (p. 144) <span style="underline;"><span style="underline;">This means knowing more information isn&#8217;t the same as knowing more.</span></span></p>
<p>It also means one person&#8217;s theory on an unknowable truth isn&#8217;t really measurably better or worse than anyone else&#8217;s theory on the same subject. As NNT puts it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Consider that two people can hold incompatible beliefs based on the exact same data. &#8230;One may have a million ways to explain things, but the true explanation if unique, whether or not it is within our reach. (p. 72)</p></blockquote>
<p>I originally intended to end this post here. But I then came across another book that explained that the basis for our problems with Black Swans is actually very much biological. I will post the rest later this weekend. And I apologize for having so many posts so close together. This is such an important subject that affects all of us. But it&#8217;s a complex subject that really does need several posts and time to digest.</p>
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