<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd"
	xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
>

<channel>
	<title>Mormon Matters &#187; historicity</title>
	<atom:link href="http://mormonmatters.org/category/historicity/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://mormonmatters.org</link>
	<description>A weekly podcast exploring Mormon culture and current events.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:03:05 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<copyright>2006-2007 </copyright>
	<managingEditor>dan.wotherspoon@me.com (Mormon Matters)</managingEditor>
	<webMaster>dan.wotherspoon@me.com (Mormon Matters)</webMaster>
	<ttl>1440</ttl>
	<image>
		<url>http://mormonmatters.org/podcast/MormonMatters144.jpg</url>
		<title>Mormon Matters</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org</link>
		<width>144</width>
		<height>144</height>
	</image>
	<itunes:new-feed-url>http://www.mormonmatters.org/rssmm.xml</itunes:new-feed-url>
	<itunes:subtitle>A weekly podcast exploring Mormon current events, pop culture, politics and spirituality</itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:summary>A weekly podcast exploring Mormon current events, pop culture, politics and spirituality</itunes:summary>
	<itunes:keywords>mormon, lds</itunes:keywords>
	<itunes:category text="Religion &#38; Spirituality">
		<itunes:category text="Christianity" />
	</itunes:category>
	<itunes:category text="Religion &#38; Spirituality">
		<itunes:category text="Spirituality" />
	</itunes:category>
	<itunes:author>Mormon Matters</itunes:author>
	<itunes:owner>
		<itunes:name>Mormon Matters</itunes:name>
		<itunes:email>dan.wotherspoon@me.com</itunes:email>
	</itunes:owner>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:image href="http://mormonmatters.org/podcast/MormonMattersLogo2.gif" />
		<item>
		<title>Book of Mormon Geophysics</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/28/book-of-mormon-geophysics/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/28/book-of-mormon-geophysics/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>FireTag</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[geography]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[science]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[volcanism]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=12559</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[When most people use their rational faculties to test their testimonies about their religious scriptures, they tend to concentrate on things like history, archeology, or textual development. A number of writers on this site and elsewhere in the bloggernacle have far more expertise in those areas than do I. So I have to take their arguments second-hand. Instead, I like to test my scriptural canon in the disciplines where I have my own professional training in college or experience on interdisciplinary teams later in life. So rather than argue about Mesoamerican artifacts, I like to look instead at Mesoamerican volcanoes. I suspect that most people who read about the disaster that befell the Nephites and Lamanites at the time of the crucifixion (~30 CE) recognize that most of the effects described are symptoms of major volcanic eruptions. Earthquakes and volcanoes go together. Volcanoes will always produce earthquakes, and earthquakes can often trigger volcanic eruptions. Choking ash clouds in which no light will penetrate; landslides, mudflows, or pyroclastic flows that bury towns, fill stream beds with debris, change drainage patterns, and push mighty winds ahead of them; continuous lightening and thunder from friction within the eruptive clouds; volcanic bombs to set [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When most people use their rational faculties to test their testimonies about their religious scriptures, they tend to concentrate on things like history, archeology, or textual development. A number of writers on this site and elsewhere in the bloggernacle have far more expertise in those areas than do I. So I have to take their arguments second-hand.</p>
<p>Instead, I like to test my scriptural canon in the disciplines where I have my own professional training in college or experience on interdisciplinary teams later in life. So rather than argue about Mesoamerican artifacts, I like to look instead at Mesoamerican volcanoes.</p>
<p><span id="more-12559"></span></p>
<p>I suspect that most people who read about the disaster that befell the Nephites and Lamanites at the time of the crucifixion (~30 CE) recognize that most of the effects described are symptoms of major volcanic eruptions. Earthquakes and volcanoes go together. Volcanoes will always produce earthquakes, and earthquakes can often trigger volcanic eruptions. Choking ash clouds in which no light will penetrate; landslides, mudflows, or pyroclastic flows that bury towns, fill stream beds with debris, change drainage patterns, and push mighty winds ahead of them; continuous lightening and thunder from friction within the eruptive clouds; volcanic bombs to set buildings on fire – they all come with volcanic eruptions. The earthquakes have their own effects: fissures, scarps, liquefaction of delta sediments, and/or fluctuations in underground water tables.</p>
<p>But the eruption depicted in the Book of Mormon is not the eruption of a single volcano. Oh, there can be single volcanic eruptions big enough to devastate the geographic areas of the Book of Mormon (measured by distances that could be covered in journeys described in the Book itself). A volcano in New Zealand 26,500 years ago erupted the equivalent of over 500 cubic miles of magma and buried islands 600 miles away in a seven-inch deep layer of ash. However, the types of destruction that befell various cities in the Book of Mormon account further constrain the event (i.e., mudflows or pyroclastic flows don’t travel 600 miles even if ash clouds do). The Book contains geographic clues about the cities’ <em>relative</em> locations to each other that suggests they were near, or at most a few tens of miles downstream from, the volcano that destroyed them. That points to multiple simultaneous eruptions.</p>
<p>John L. Sorenson, in his book <em>An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon,</em> spends a good portion of his discussion of “The Great Catastrophe” (pages 318-323) focusing on volcanism in the Valley of Mexico near modern Mexico City. This may have some value in establishing the plausibility of volcanism at the time of Christ to a casual reader, since many LDS at the time his book was produced still held to a hemispherical geographical model or one centered on the Great Lakes or Central United States.</p>
<p>However, volcanism near Mexico City is simply too far west, even in his own proposed locations for various Nephite and Lamanite cities, to do the trick. This is especially so since he places Bountiful, which survived, in a location near the Gulf Coast <em>between</em> Mexico City and Moroni, which sank into the sea. So this was one of the things that made me wary of his model, along with <a href="http://thefirestillburning.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/sorenson-dna-and-book-of-mormon-directions/"> his interpretation of directions.</a> (The relevance of Valley of Mexico eruptions is even more problematic if you use modern directional systems for east and west, because that places Moroni no closer to Mexico City than is southeastern Guatemala.)</p>
<p>In 1982, El Chichon erupted in the Chiapan Highlands where Sorenson’s model had placed the Nephite lands. El Chichon had not previously been recognized as an active volcano, but this eruption was roughly on the scale of the Mt. St. Helens blast two years earlier. As described in Wikipedia, El Chichon killed 2000 people, and produced major ash clouds, pyroclastic flows and surges. It left a kilometer-wide caldera that rapidly filled with an acidic lake. Happening so closely after St. Helens (though totally unrelated), geologists flocked to study volcanic structures in the region, especially when they realized that the eruption happened unexpectedly far inland.</p>
<p>The west coast of the Americas is known to be overriding oceanic crust and mantle as the surface of the earth is slowly dragged around by convective heat and mass transfer within the earth’s interior.  These motions, which have been underway for tens of millions of years, produce the earthquakes and volcanism that characterize and drive the mountain building that we observe from Alaska to the tip of South America.  But the regional angles of collision and the presence of submarine features as scars left from past convection can produce vast differences in individual mountain ranges.</p>
<p>As shown in a 2005 paper by staff of the Cal Tech Seismological Laboratory (a pdf version of the paper is <a href="http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~raman/papers2/Manea_Chiapas_2005.pdf"> here for those interested).</a> the Modern Chiapanecan Volcanic Arc (MCVA), of which El Chichon is the most northern and active volcano, can be explained by a NW-SE heating gradient induced by the resistance of such a submarine feature (The Tehuantepec Ridge) to being forced below Central America.</p>
<p>To the northwest of the ridge, the ocean crust was buoyed up and passed below the continent at a shallow angle. To the southeast of the ridge, the ancient coastal volcanoes were gradually extinguished by the relatively low temperature of the adjacent slab on the other side of the ridge. The extinction has now reached almost to the volcano Tacana on the border between Mexico and Guatemala.</p>
<p>In place of the coastal volcanoes, the MCVA developed as the ocean floor was forced deeper into the earth (and farther inland under the continent) before melting of the oceanic slab could occur. Furthermore, the buoyant oceanic slab to the northwest of the ridge also took longer to heat up and melt, moving volcanism inland to the Mexico   City area as well.</p>
<p>Directly over the landward extension of the submarine ridge lies one additional feature that the Cal Tech team does not try to explain in detail. This isolated Tuxtlas Volcanic Field, of which the San Martin volcano is the largest peak, may be a “leak” to the surface somehow related to the ridge itself. Interestingly, it is this area that the Sorenson model identifies as the area of the Nephite’s final stand.</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Mesoamerica-Volcanoes.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-12569" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Mesoamerica-Volcanoes-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>The approximate locations of these three volcanoes &#8212; San Martin, El Chichon, and Tacana &#8212; are sketched in the thumbnail. They are the volcanoes with the most “punch” in the area of the Sorenson model, and together – <strong>but not separately</strong> &#8212; they could produce the appropriate regional types of destruction noted in the catastrophe, with significant damage in the land southward from Zarahemla, to the &#8220;eastern&#8221; (Gulf Coast) lands, and into the land northward from Zarahemla.</p>
<p>This is not trivial in evaluating a geographic model of the Book of Mormon. You won’t find evidence of 2000 year old volcanic eruptions in the Mississippi River  basin or in upstate New   York. You can’t even find the right volcanic evidence in Mesoamerican models that match the Book of Mormon’s Sidon with the Usumacinta  River instead of the Grijalva.</p>
<p>So we ought to ask how much of the time these volcanoes could have erupted “simultaneously”, and when those times were. We can never hope to know whether such eruptions began “within the space of three hours” of each other. What we can hope to detect is the radio-carbon ages of organic matter destroyed at the very beginning of the eruptions, when the pyroclastic materials or tephra first reach them. And the uncertainty in such dates for the times of interest here will normally be measured in decades.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://volcano.si.edu/"> Smithsonian Global Volcanism Program</a> tabulates reports on eruption histories of volcanoes worldwide. They have data on timing and size of eruptions for all three of the above volcanoes that permits identification of whether the three <em>could</em> have produced large eruptions simultaneously as far back as 6585 BCE. In that 8600 year record, there are possible overlaps only about 3% of the time, in two separate eras. In short, it’s a test that is too imprecise to provide <em>positive</em> evidence, but a test that is remarkably easy to fail.</p>
<p>The first possible simultaneous eruption lies between 1230 BCE and 1190 BCE.</p>
<p>The second possible simultaneous eruption lies between 30 BCE and 170 CE.</p>
<p>A remarkably easy geophysical test for the Sorenson Mesoamerican model to fail gets passed.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/28/book-of-mormon-geophysics/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>20</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Religious Archaeology and Evidence</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/10/religious-archaeology-and-evidence/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/10/religious-archaeology-and-evidence/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Early Christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[science]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=12419</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;d like to discuss both Biblical and Book of Mormon archaeology.  Most people believe the Bible is on solid archaeological footing, but that isn&#8217;t actually true.  Many books have questionable authorship, and many places remain unidentified.  In a previous post, I discussed Questions about the Exodus: there isn&#8217;t a shred of evidence that it actually happened.  During Passover celebrations in 2001, Rabbi David Wolpe created international headlines in Israel by proclaiming to his Jewish congregation in Los Angeles, “the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all.” I&#8217;ve been listening to a podcast from Yale University discussing the Bible.  There are definite similarities between the Babylonian story of  Gilgamesh and the stories of Adam and Noah.  Some people, such as Bishop Rick, have said I think it is accurate to state that the flood story in the bible is both myth and a forgery. It is obviously a myth for reasons too numerous to mention here, but it is also copied from other cultures/religions, thus making it a forgery. It could very well be a myth.  While some scholars believe the story is a myth, National Geographic put together a documentary called &#8220;In Search [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>
<p>I&#8217;d like to discuss both Biblical and Book of Mormon archaeology.  Most people believe the Bible is on solid archaeological footing, but that isn&#8217;t actually true.  Many books have questionable authorship, and many places remain unidentified.  In a previous post, I discussed <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/04/11/questions-about-the-exodus/">Questions about the Exodus</a>: there isn&#8217;t a shred of evidence that it actually happened.  During Passover celebrations in 2001, Rabbi David Wolpe created international headlines in Israel by proclaiming to his Jewish congregation in Los Angeles, “the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all.”</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />I&#8217;ve been listening to a <a href="http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/introduction-to-the-old-testament-hebrew-bible/" target="_blank">podcast from Yale University discussing the Bible</a>.  There are definite similarities between the Babylonian story of  Gilgamesh and the stories of Adam and Noah.  Some people, such as Bishop Rick, have said</p>
<blockquote><p>I think it is accurate to state that the flood story in the bible is both myth and a forgery. It is obviously a myth for reasons too numerous to mention here, but it is also copied from other cultures/religions, thus making it a forgery.<span id="more-12419"></span></p></blockquote>
<p>It could very well be a myth.  While some scholars believe the story is a myth, <a href="http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html" target="_blank">National Geographic put together a documentary called &#8220;In Search for Noah&#8217;s Flood&#8221;</a>.  They discuss various flood stories, and make the case that a large, localized flood must have influenced these various cultures to write of this flood.  While there is no proof of a flood, it seems like a plausible explanation.</p>
<p>Recently I discussed a couple of sites in the Dead Sea region that <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/21/has-sodom-and-gomorrah-been-found/">some people believe are the sites of Sodom and Gomorrah</a>.  While some people love to claim the Bible is actually a collection of myths, Dr. Carole Fontaine of the Andover Newton Theological School said, “Archeologists often find themselves hooted and hollered out of town, when they first suggest things like, ‘I’ve found Troy, or look, we’ve found Sodom and Gomorrah.’  But history has shown that in fact, the more you dig, the more you find.  It’s amazing how accurate the Bible sometimes turns out to be.”</p>
<p>Speaking of hooting and hollering, John Hamer recently recorded a famous comment regarding Book of Mormon archaeology.  He said,</p>
<blockquote><p>The scholarly consensus on the alleged antiquity of the Book of Mormon was expressed way back in 1973 in Dialogue by Michael D. Coe, among the foremost Mayanist scholars, who wrote: “As far as I know there is not one professionally trained archaeologist, who is not a Mormon, who sees any scientific justification for believing the historicity of The Book of Mormon, and I would like to state that there are quite a few Mormon archaeologists who join this group”</p></blockquote>
<p>The best Book of mormon archaeological site seems to be Nahom.  <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/01/28/nahom-archeaological-evidence-of-book-of-mormon/">I&#8217;ve previously blogged about Nahom</a>, and Daniel C. Peterson called it a &#8220;bulls eye&#8221;.  In the video called<a href="http://store.fairlds.org/prod/p0934893039.html" target="_blank"> Journey of Faith</a> (distributed by FAIR), a few BYU scholars state,</p>
<blockquote><p>Daniel C. Peterson, Professor of Islamic Studies and Arabic, BYU, “The finding of Nahom strikes me as just a tremendously significant discovery.”</p>
<p>Noel B Reynolds, director of FARMS, BYU, “The gazetteers of Joseph Smith’s day listed no such place.”</p>
<p>Peterson, “What it really is, is a kind of prediction by the Book of Mormon, or something that we ought to find.”</p>
<p>William J Hamblin, Professor of Middle Eastern History, BYU, “Now the chances of finding that exact name from the exact time, in that exact place, by random chance, are just astronomical.”</p>
<p>Peterson, “And to find it in the right location, at the right time, is a really striking bulls eye for the book and there are those who say the book has no archeological substantiation. That’s a spectacular substantiation right there, it seems to me.  Something that would have been unexpected. It’s so unlikely that Joseph Smith could have woven into his story on his own.”</p>
<p>Hamblin, “The Book of Mormon has text, has made a complex prediction and modern archeology actually confirms that prediction.”</p>
<p>Peterson, “It’s a direct bulls-eye, as precise as you could wish it to be.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think non-Mormon scholars are as impressed with the site as Peterson, but non-Bible believing scholars aren&#8217;t impressed with Sodom and Gomorrah either.  So, must we always believe that lack of evidence argues against historicity of the Bible or Book or Mormon, or is there reason to believe that some of these stories that scholars call myths, forgeries, or pious frauds really might have some historical use?  Is it true that &#8220;the more you dig, the more you find?&#8221;</p>
</div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/10/religious-archaeology-and-evidence/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>68</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Church history and our quest for the Great Mormon Novel</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/29/church-history-our-quest-for-the-great-mormon-novel/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/29/church-history-our-quest-for-the-great-mormon-novel/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 11:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[correlation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=11396</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[About two years ago, Carter Hall wrote an article on this very site comparing and contrasting the types of heroes that Superman and Spiderman represent, noting the different cultural settings from which the two were born and, consequently, identifying different generational appeals to the different superheroes. As he wrote: Everyone knows Superman.  He is simply the most powerful superhero ever created.  Invulnerable to almost everything, his list of abilities includes flight, speed, strength, heat vision, x-ray vision . . . the list goes on.  His private life also seems pretty sweet.  He was raised by two stead[y] parents (although in some versions Pa Kent dies when Clark is young), has a good career, and in recent years is married to the love of his life.  Director Richard Donner went so far as to present Supes as a Christ figure in the 1979 film, with Jor-El (God the Father?) sending his only son to earth to help mortals realize their potential for good. As contrasted to: Then there’s Spiderman, a decidedly less perfect hero.  Peter Parker’s parents are gone, and even his Uncle Ben dies early on, leaving him with only Aunt Mae.  He gets bitten by a radioactive spider and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About two years ago, Carter Hall <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/09/18/superman-vs-spiderman/">wrote an article on this very site</a> comparing and contrasting the types of heroes that Superman and Spiderman represent, noting the different cultural settings from which the two were born and, consequently, identifying different generational appeals to the different superheroes. As he wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Everyone knows Superman.  He is  simply the most powerful superhero ever created.  Invulnerable to almost  everything, his list of abilities includes flight, speed, strength,  heat vision, x-ray vision . . . the list goes on.  His private life also  seems pretty sweet.  He was raised by two stead[y] parents (although in  some versions Pa Kent dies when Clark is young), has a good career, and  in recent years is married to the love of his life.  Director Richard  Donner went so far as to present Supes as a Christ figure in the 1979  film, with Jor-El (God the Father?) sending his only son to earth to  help mortals realize their potential for good.</p></blockquote>
<p>As contrasted to:</p>
<blockquote><p>Then there’s Spiderman, a decidedly less perfect hero.  Peter Parker’s  parents are gone, and even his Uncle Ben dies early on, leaving him with  only Aunt Mae.  He gets bitten by a radioactive spider and gains powers  including strength, speed, agility, wall-climbing, and “spider-sense.” &#8230;Impressive  abilities, to be sure, but <em>nothing </em>compared to Superman.  He  also struggles with issues like unemployment, unpopularity, and girl  problems to a much greater degree than his DC counterparts.  He’s a real  person, dealing with real problems, plus he fights crime.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hall addressed the way that, as different generations idealized different superheroes, different generations of church leadership idealized different parts of church history and doctrine. But now, as new generations are growing up in a new technological era, they discover not that there are new heroes to be found&#8230;but rather they discover that the old heroes &#8212; whom they had been raised to believe were larger-than-life like the DC superheroes &#8212; were always more akin to the down-to-earth Marvel counterparts. Such a discovery, rather than leading the way for a a blossoming of new understanding of the heroes, has led to a sense of betrayal for many.<span id="more-11396"></span></p>
<p>Why is this the case? In an article I wrote discussing <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/literary-philistines-great-mormon-novels/">that elusive concept of &#8220;The Great Mormon Novel</a>,&#8221; I had not anticipated making any connections to history. Yet, as I read <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/literary-philistines-great-mormon-novels/#comment-4677">one comment</a>, I wondered:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the qualities that makes literature great is the ability to  create nuance.  Protagonists with serious flaws and antagonists with  shiny centers.  I don’t think Mormonism is very conducive to this view.   There’s a lot of black and white thinking – take the typical LDS  attitude toward coffee drinkers, for example.</p>
<p>In fact, an arument could be made that an individual Mormon writer  could write a great novel, but a MORMON novel, by definition, is going  to be flat and full of cariacture.</p></blockquote>
<p>I immediately was taken aback by this. Sure, I could see what the point that the writer was trying to make&#8230;and I don&#8217;t think I can really deny some impact of what he had said. Yet, as I remarked then, and what I&#8217;ve been thinking about ever since, was this:</p>
<p>Even if we see the way correlated church history as taught as being somewhat&#8230;truncated&#8230;abbreviated&#8230;whatever term you will use, what we know (or what many of us soon discover, whether we want to or not), is that Mormonism <em>does</em> have nuance. The protagonists we have been raised with <em>do</em> have serious flaws, and many antagonists have shiny centers. In fact, even if we want to speak about Mormonism today, where it seems as if Mormonism is increasingly black and white and polarized, this status quo of, say, correlation, is itself an ongoing drama of nuance, as has been addressed at length in <a href="http://mormonstories.org/?p=980">podcasts like this one on Mormon Stories</a>.</p>
<p>Yet this doesn&#8217;t seem to evoke within many the &#8220;greatness&#8221; of the tradition, of the culture, of the religion. Instead, it seems to make many shrink. It seems to break down others, without offering any care package to start building them back up.</p>
<p>Why is this so? When we look for &#8220;truth&#8221; and &#8220;perfection&#8221;, do we eschew and disdain the qualities that make literature and art beautiful, real, and <em>accessible</em>? People say that art mimics life, but when life seems to have all the traits we appreciate in art, why does that disappoint?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/29/church-history-our-quest-for-the-great-mormon-novel/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>12</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Questions About the Exodus</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/16/questions-about-the-exodus/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/16/questions-about-the-exodus/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 07:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jews]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[science]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=11148</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[For more than 1700 years, Christians have been looking for Mount Sinai, the place where Moses received the 10 Commandments.  Constantine’s mother, Helena was probably the first Christian in search of Christian artifacts in the 4th century.  When Christians came across a strange-looking bush at the base of a mountain on the Sinai Peninsula, they erected a monastery claiming that they had found Mount Sinai.  The monastery still exists today, and you can walk the steps that these early Christians have claimed as the real Mount Sinai. During Passover celebrations in 2001, Rabbi David Wolpe created international headlines in Israel by proclaiming to his Jewish congregation in Los Angeles, “the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all.&#8221;  Some have stated this even more strongly.  Prof Philip Davies, University of Sheffield, “When it comes to the Exodus, we have no evidence that it happened, and a good deal of evidence that it didn’t.  They made it up.” Since that famous (infamous) sermon in 2001, Wolpe has gone on to soften his words a bit.  In March 2010, he said it was possible that a small group of people left Egypt, came [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more than 1700 years, Christians have been looking for Mount   Sinai, the place where Moses received the 10 Commandments.    Constantine’s mother, Helena was probably the first Christian in search   of Christian artifacts in the 4<sup>th</sup> century.  <img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />When  Christians came across a strange-looking bush at the base  of a mountain  on the Sinai Peninsula, they erected a monastery claiming  that they had  found Mount Sinai.  The monastery still exists today,  and you can walk  the steps that these early Christians have claimed as  the real Mount  Sinai.</p>
<p>During Passover celebrations in 2001, Rabbi David Wolpe created   international headlines in Israel by proclaiming to his Jewish   congregation in Los Angeles, “the way the Bible describes the Exodus is   not the way it happened, if it happened at all.&#8221;  Some have stated this even more strongly.  <span style="color: #800080;">Prof  Philip Davies, University of Sheffield, “When it comes to the  Exodus,  we have no evidence that it happened, and a good deal of  evidence that  it didn’t.  They made it up.”</span></p>
<p><span id="more-11148"></span>Since that famous (infamous) sermon in 2001, Wolpe has gone on to   soften his words a bit.  In March 2010, he said it was possible that a   small group of people left Egypt, came to Canaan, and influenced the   native Canaanites.  Even skeptics admit there could be something to the   story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve combined three different videos to look for scientific explanations for the Exodus.  I’ll color code these quotes so you know which videos these  quotes come from.   The videos are <span style="color: #800080;">Science of the Exodus</span>, by  National Geographic; <span style="color: #ff6600;">Exodus Decoded</span>, by Simcha Jacobovici;  and <span style="color: #ff0000;">Exodus  Revealed</span>, by Discovery Media Group.  What I found interesting was the fact that there were many  similarities among the 3 videos.  The same experts and evidence often appeared in multiple  videos, yet often different conclusions were provided.  It reminds me of  the debate concerning Book of Mormon evidence.</p>
<p>So, let’s talk about some of the biggest questions concerning the  Exodus.</p>
<p><strong>The Burning Bush.</strong></p>
<p>The Bible says that God spoke to Moses in the form of a burning bush  that was not consumed.  As mentioned previously, a strange bush was  found at the base of the traditional Mount Sinai.  Is there another  explanation for this burning bush?  Colin Humphreys has an explanation  for a burning bush, involving real fire.  As we all know, oil and  natural gas are prevalent in the Middle East.  Humphreys believes the  Acacia Bush is an ideal candidate for the Burning Bush.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">“The  most common bush in the desert is the acacia bush, and we know that if  you burn an acacia bush you get charcoal.”</span></p>
<p>The Acacia Bush maintains it’s shape and turns to charcoal.  He gives  a demonstration using a natural gas barbecue grill and an acacia bush.   The bush maintains it’s shape, even though flames shoot through the  bush.</p>
<p><strong>When did the Exodus Happen?</strong></p>
<p>There are two main theories:  the Early Exodus Period, and the Late  Exodus Period.  Supporters of the Early Period point to 1 Kings 6:1,  “Now it came about in the four hundred and eightieth year after the  sons of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of  Solomon’s reign over Israel…that he began to build the house of the  Lord.”  Most historians put the Temple of Solomon at 965 BC.  This would  put the Exodus at approximately 1445 BC.</p>
<p>Pharoah Thutmoses I reigned from 1525-1512 BC.  Scholars have  speculated that his daughter Hatshepsut may have rescued Moses from the  Nile.  She served as Pharoah from 1503-1482 BC, and battled with her  stepson Thutmoses III (1504-1450 BC) for control of Egypt.  Thutmoses  III eventually removed nearly all traces of Hatshepsut’s monuments.   Thutmoses III death in 1450 coincides well with the date of this Early  Exodus time period.</p>
<p>Supporters of the late period refer to Exodus 1:11, “And they built  for Pharoah store cities, Pithom and Ramses.”  Ramses II seems to be the  most likely Pharaoh.  He lived 1290-1224 BC.  He moved the capital from  Thebes to the Nile Delta, and built a new city called Pi-Ramses.  Some  archaeologists have linked this city built on top of an ancient  Israelite city.</p>
<p>Simcha Jacobovici believes the date of Exodus may be earlier.  He  believes the eruption of the Santorini Volcano in 1500 BC may explain  many of the Biblical plagues.  The Egyptian name Ahmose means “brother  of Moses” in Hebrew—an interesting play on words.    At this time, Egypt  was ruled by a Semitic people called the Hyksos, people who were hated  by the Egyptians.  Since Joseph was of Semitic origins, this may have  helped him join the ranks of the Hyksos ruling class.  The Bible refers  to a pharaoh that “knew not Joseph.”</p>
<p>Egyptians have recorded and event called “the Hyksos Expulsion”  around 1500 BC.  Could it be the Israelites were expelled, rather than  left freely?  Perhaps it depends on who writes the history.</p>
<p><strong>Is there an Israelite presence in Egypt?</strong></p>
<p>In 1967 Professor Manfred Bietak, Chair of Egyptology at the  University of Vienna, discovered the ancient Egyptian capital of  Avaris.  It was the home to many ancient Egyptian pharaohs.  Some  believe the architecture of this city bears resemblance to later  Israelite/Canaanite architecture, but others, such as Simcha Jacobovici attribute Avaris to the Hyksos.  Avaris seems to be the oldest site in Egypt with non-Egyptian architecture.</p>
<p><strong>How can we explain the Plagues?</strong></p>
<p>The first plague, turning the Nile to blood has a few different  explanations.  Jacobovici believes an underground natural gas into the  Nile may have caused caused the waters to turn red and kill all the  fish.  Two lakes in Cameroon turned blood red in 1984 and 1986.   Epidemiologist John Marr believes microscopic algae may have turned the  Nile blood red.  In 1995, a coastal river in North Carolina turned  bright red due to an algae bloom.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Marr,  “Wisteria was labeled the cell from hell because it killed millions if  not billions of fish.  If that occurred in North Carolina in the 1990’s,  why couldn’t it have occurred in Egypt 3000 years ago?”</span></p>
<p>Plagues 2-6 deal with frogs, and insect plagues, and all 3 videos have similar explanations.  I presented Jacobovici’s position on the plagues in my <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/">previous   post</a> .  National Geographic (NG) had similar explanations for   plagues 2-6 dealing with insects and frogs.  NG even interviewed several   entomologists and epidemiologists to further pin down the actual types   of bugs most likely in these infestations.</p>
<p><strong>How were the Firstborn killed?</strong></p>
<p>The last plague has some interesting interpretations too.  Moses  prophesied that the firstborn of Egypt would all die, and the Israelites  would be spared if they put lamb’s blood on their doorposts.  The  Destroying Angel would “pass over” homes with lamb’s blood.  So, how can  scientists explain such a selective mode of death?  Some believe the  Firstborn is metaphorical.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Epidemiologist  Martin Blaser of NYU, “There is no disease that we know of that just  affects the firstborns, so I take that it’s a metaphor for a disease  that kills one out of every 3 or 4 people.” </span> Blaser thinks bubonic plague may have been the culprit, because it  affects both animals and humans.  Eric Cline of George Washington  believes the plagues could refer to a “Sea People” that attacked Egypt.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Cline,  “The attack of the Sea Peoples was probably the Egyptians worst  nightmare.  They are the fiercest warriors that the Egyptians have  faced, and the Egyptians tell us that everybody went down in the face of  these sea peoples.  Only the Egyptians were able to stand, and even  that was a Pyrrhic victory because the Egyptians were so weakened that  they were never the same again.”</span></p>
<p>Others believe the death of the firstborn may have been more  literal.  Epidemiologist John Marr recently investigated the mysterious  death of children that was due to a mold.  He postulated that following  the plagues of locusts and hail, much of the grain in Egypt would have  been moist and in short supply.</p>
<p>Jacobovici has another theory for the selective deaths during this  final plague.  He points to a volcanic eruption that killed thousands in <span style="color: #ff9900;">&#8220;1986 at Lake Nyos, Cameroon.  On the fateful  night of August 21, the villagers at Nyos went to sleep.  They couldn’t  have known that the carbon dioxide gas which had turned the lake blood  red, was now reaching a critical point.  As the people of Lake Nyos  slept, the top of the lake was keeping the carbon down like a cap in a  pop bottle.  But then the earth rumbled, and a landslide took place  sending rock into the water, disturbing the surface pressure and  releasing the gas.  The gas then rose to the surface, and like some  alien monster, emerged from the water, droplets forming on it, turning  the invisible gas into a visible fog.  The fog then rolled across the  water, and across the land, suffocating everything in its path.  And as  suddenly as it appeared, it disappeared, dissolving harmlessly into the  atmosphere.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">The  next day those who had been sleeping on higher ground woke up to find  some 1800 people dead, hundreds of cattle and small animals also dead,  all around there was deadly silence.</span></p>
<p><strong>How many people participated in the Exodus?</strong></p>
<p>The Bible says that 600,000 men left Egypt.  Adding women and  children would have increased the total number to 2.5 million people,  the size of modern-day Brooklyn, NY.  If the group were that large,  there should be some evidence somewhere in the wilderness.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Cline,  “if the Biblical numbers are correct, and you’ve got two and a half  million people wandering around for 40 years, I would want to find  entire landscapes denuded.  I’d want to find hundreds of sheep and goat  carcasses, the bones.  Even if they didn’t ask for directions wandering  for 40 years, there would be something.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">However, archaeologist Jim Hoffmeier of the Trinity Evangelical  Divinity School says the number is probably far fewer, due to a  mistranslation dating thousands of years.  The original Hebrew says  there were 600 elith.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Hoffmeier,  “The word elith can be translated 3 different ways:  it can be  translated thousand.  Elith can also be translated to the clan.  The  third option is that it’s a military unit, which I think is a more  plausible scenario.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">According  to Hoffmeier’s interpretation, instead of 600,000 men and their  families, there were as few as 5000.</span></p>
<p><strong>How did the Red Sea part?  Where did the Israelites cross?</strong></p>
<p>There are 4 main theories for the crossing of the Red Sea: an Eastern Egyptian sea, a  northern, central, and southern route.  Those supporting a northern  route point to volcanic activity to explain the parting of the Red Sea.  Geo-archaeologist  Floyd McCoy researches tsunamis at the University of Hawaii.  He says a  tsunami might have created a land passage for the Israelites across a  lagoon.</p>
<p>(1)  In addition to the Biblical mistranslation of elith, Hoffmeier   believes the Red Sea is a mistranslation, and the parting of the sea may   have occurred closer to home.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Hoffmeier,  “The Hebrew Yam Suf  literally means sea of reeds.  When the Greek  translators took the  Hebrew Yam Suf and translated it into Greek, they  translated it as Red  Sea instead of Reed Sea.  So we’ve been stuck with a  faulty translation  for over 2000 years.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Hoffmeier  has been working with Prof  Stephen O. Moshier, Geologist of Wheaton  College.  Together they have  pieces together satellite photos and  ancient maps to identify a sea of  reeds.  They’ve come up with Lake El  Balah, on the eastern border of  Egypt.  Jacobovici paints another  picture of this scenario.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">Hoffmeier,   “It’s an ancient lake that survived until the 1850’s.  When the Suez   Canal was put in, this ancient lake finally died.  Professor Manfred   Biatek after conducting a thorough study of this area, proposed that   this lake was known to the Egyptians as Ha Tufi, meaning the marshland,   the marshy sea.  And the word tuf, the Egyptian word for reeds is the   same word as suf in Hebrew.  So Yam Suf, he suggested, was a name   derived from this body of water.  Now it is called the El Balah Lake.”    [In Hebrew it means the lake where God devoured.]</span></p>
<p>(2)  Northern route proponents say that the Israelites would have crossed on the northern edge of the  Mediterranean Sea.  However, several Egyptian  military outposts have been found along a northern route into Israel  dating to the Exodus period.  Many believe the Israelites would have  avoided these military outposts when trying to leave Egypt.</p>
<p>(3)  Those who support a central route believe Moses and his followers  crossed an ancient frankincense trail across the central Sinai  Peninsula.  In his younger days, Moses killed an Egyptian while  defending a Hebrew slave.  The Bible says he fled to the land of Midian,  in Modern Day Saudi Arabia.  It is likely that Moses would have  followed the frankincense trail to Midian.  It is the shortest, most  direct route to Midian.  If Moses had made the trek before, it is likely  he would have followed it again.  Dr Lennart Moller of the Karolinska  Institute, Stockholm, Sweden refers to the Book of First Kings to support this theory.</p>
<p>(4)  Stephen  J. O’Meara, a Volcanologist with Volcano Watch International believes a southern route may be the best candidate.  Volcanoes are known to have erupted near the southern end of the Gulf of Aqaba.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">“Imagine the Jews, reaching this massive land bridge,  formed by lava.  Here we have earth being created before our eyes.  You  can see the lava flow going into the ocean on a new bench of land.  This  is a very highly unstable platform of land.  The bench will not last  for long.  This whole area can fall in just a matter of minutes.   Massive collapses have occurred here in Hawaii almost in the blink of an  eye.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">The  Red Sea forms part of the Great African Rift System.  The entire region  has an explosive volcanic history.</span></p>
<p><strong>Where is Mount Sinai?</strong></p>
<p>As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, there are several  proposed locations for Mount Sinai.  The traditional location is at the  southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula.  Tradition for this site goes back  to the 4<sup>th</sup> Century.  After Moses escaped to Midian, he found  the Burning Bush.</p>
<p>Many scholars believe that Mount Sinai is in the Land of Midian in  modern day Saudi Arabia.  Many European scholars believe Jabal al Lawz is the best  candidate for Mt Sinai.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Several  Jewish documents, some written several hundred years before Christian  traditions, locate the mountain of God in Midianite territory.  In 250  BC, a council of 70 Hebrew scholars translated the Hebrew Bible into  Greek for the first time.  Their translation of the Exodus account  presupposed that Mount Sinai stood in the Arabian Peninsula.  Three  centuries later, the Jewish philosopher Philo placed the mountain “east  of the Sinai Peninsula” and south of Palestine.  At the same time, the  apostle Paul, who was educated under the Rabbi Gamaliel, also located  Mount Sinai in Arabia (Galatians 4:25).</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kerkeslager,  “So Paul and Philo, when they used the word Arabia, they’re not  thinking of the Sinai Peninsula.  Once again, I think that point needs  to be emphasized very clearly.  In terminology, Arabia in the 1<sup>st</sup> century, Greek geographers usually had in mind the Arabian Peninsula.   That’s how that term is used.”</span></p>
<p>Others believe Mount Sinai is somewhere on the Sinai Peninsula.   Jacobovici discusses another possible location discovered by Prof Uzi  Avner.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">Holy  mountains in the desert are marked by ancient, open-air, rock  sanctuaries.  In this area there is only 1 mountain surrounded by  sanctuaries.  Today that mountain is called Jebel-Hashem el-Tarif.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;">&#8230;Prof.  Uzi Avner, Arava Environmental Institute, Israel, “The Mountain is not  very high, only about 200 meters above the plateau, but it is very  conspicuous.  You can see it from a distance.  The unique point is that  it is surrounded by actually the largest concentration of open air  sanctuaries that we now today in the desert.”</span></p>
<p><strong>Conclusions?</strong></p>
<p>So, do we need to believe that any of these scenarios?  Both skeptics  and believers seem to agree that faith and science are two different  animals.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Hoffmeier,   “For people that have religious convictions, they don’t need proof.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Cornuke,   “it all boils down to, this is a supernatural event, and you can’t   explain it in any other way.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Ultimately,   the power of Exodus lies more in faith than in science.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Cooney,   “There’s no real scientific proof that the Exodus took place, but as a   Christian or as a Jew, you shouldn’t need scientific proof to be a   person of faith.  Faith doesn’t need to be scientifically proven, nor   should it be; it’s faith.”</span></p>
<p>Rabbi David Wolpe believes that the historicity of the events in the  Bible should not matter; faith is not determined by the same criteria as  empirical truth.  (If you&#8217;re interested further, I posted a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/04/11/questions-about-the-exodus/">longer version</a> at my blog.)</p>
<p>So, what do you think?  Does any of this convince you of the  historicity of the Exodus?  Do you think the Exodus is myth?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/16/questions-about-the-exodus/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>6</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>A Non-Historical View of the Book of Mormon</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/15/some-members-want-to-openly-support-a-non-historical-view-of-the-book-of-mormon/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/15/some-members-want-to-openly-support-a-non-historical-view-of-the-book-of-mormon/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 06:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostles]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bloggernacle]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[burdens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[community of christ]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[diversity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fear]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[liberal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[orthodox]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[restoration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tesimony]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=11020</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non historical view of the Book of Mormon? My daughter Bethany and her friend Clare have recently gone to the Community of Christ Church. They enjoyed it and said the members were very open and friendly but the church at least here in the UK didn’t seem anything like our Brighamite version of the church. I understand that many of their high ranking members don’t view the book of Mormon as historical. Some members feel it&#8217;s historical; some feel it’s inspired, and some would like to see it jettisoned from the canon of scripture. I thought it was quite courageous of their leaders to consult with historians and look at the facts as they see them and to seek and follow what they felt was God’s will, doing all of this by common consent with the members in their church. One of their members Wayne Ham did a summary report (below) called Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History! But before you read his report please take the following quiz: [poll id="171"] [poll id="172"] [poll id="173"] [poll id="174"] [poll id="175"] Please [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Book-of-mormon.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-11021" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Book-of-mormon.jpg" alt="" width="349" height="253" /></a></p>
<p>Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non historical view of the Book of Mormon?<span id="more-11020"></span></p>
<p>My daughter Bethany and her friend Clare have recently gone to the Community of Christ Church. They enjoyed it and said the members were very open and friendly but the church at least here in the UK didn’t seem anything like our Brighamite version of the church.</p>
<p>I understand that many of their high ranking members don’t view the book of Mormon as historical. Some members feel it&#8217;s historical; some feel it’s inspired, and some would like to see it jettisoned from the canon of scripture.</p>
<p>I thought it was quite courageous of their leaders to consult with historians and look at the facts as they see them and to seek and follow what they felt was God’s will, doing all of this by common consent with the members in their church.</p>
<p>One of their members Wayne Ham did a summary report (below) called <em>Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History!</em> But before you read his report please take the following quiz:</p>
<p>[poll id="171"]</p>
<p>[poll id="172"]</p>
<p>[poll id="173"]</p>
<p>[poll id="174"]</p>
<p>[poll id="175"]</p>
<p>Please read if you can all of Wayne Ham&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thecybercommunity.net/publish/stories.php?story=05/07/02/1025297">Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History </a>from the Community of  Christ Web Page.  Below are some selections from Ham&#8217;s paper which I highly recommend you read if you have the time:</p>
<blockquote><p>The origin and destiny of the [so-called] &#8220;Red Man&#8221; were among the chief topics for speculation and discussion on the early nineteenth century American frontier. The presence of many Indian burial mounds in the Great Lakes region was a constant source of curiosity for the settlers in that region. In 1823 Ethan Smith, a Vermont pastor, published a book entitled View of the Hebrews: or the Ten Tribes of Israel in America.</p>
<p>Those who received the Book of Mormon from the hands of eager missionaries were urged not only to assent to the narrative as a historical account of the Indians&#8217; ancestory, but also to accept the book as evidence that God had broken the silence of centuries to restore his church to the earth by means of a young prophet. Many of the early Latter Day Saint believers took an all-or-nothing approach.  If the Book of Mormon was true, the religion expounded by its author and proprietor was true also. If the book should ever prove to be false, all validity for the restoration movement would necessarily have to be disclaimed.</p>
<p>The book immediately attained a canonical status in the minds of the Latter Day Saints that made literal acceptance of it as the revelation of God to the ancient Americans a matter of faith. As far as church members were concerned, the book was impervious to any kind of critical investigation and judgment.</p>
<p>As modern historical and textual scholarship in the realm of biblical studies became increasing appreciated and influential at the grassroots level in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and thus known to some extent to Latter Day Saints, a defensive reaction set in among some church members, resulting in some stiff resistance to allowing the tools of this scholarship to be applied to the church&#8217;s understandings of the Book of Mormon. Thus Book of Mormon studies in the past have been characterized by polemics, apologetics, and amateur archaeological surveys whenever the concern has moved beyond merely exploring the intricate details of the very complex narrative of migrations, wars, and religious revivals among the Book of Mormon peoples.</p>
<p>Because the temper of our times is such that no movement nor institution nor book can forever remain impervious to the searchlight of scholarly inspection, out times demand that all the rudiments of religious faith be subjected to the scrutiny of reason and empirical research.</p>
<p>As the Book of Mormon is examined without any intention solely to amass data to support preconceived notions about it, certain problems concerning traditional understanding of the books stand out. These problems include:</p>
<p>1<strong>. The story of its coming forth</strong>. The actual events culminating in the publication of the book are, as of now, quite irrecoverable in that it is impossible to distill a unified account from all the primary and secondary reports.</p>
<p>2. <strong>Identifying the book&#8217;s narrative with a particular time and space</strong>. Extravagant claims about ancient American archaeology supporting the Book of Mormon have been made. Toltec, Mayan and even Aztec ruins, all of a comparatively late period, have been unfortunately identified with Book of Mormon peoples.</p>
<p>3, <strong>The book&#8217;s propensity for reflecting in detail the religious concerns of the American frontier</strong>. Alexander Campbell in 1831 pointed out that every major theological question of the frontier was covered in the Book of Mormon, including infant baptism, ordination and ministerial authority, the trinity, regeneration, the fall of man, the atonement, transubstantiation, fasting, penance, church government, religious experience, the general resurrection, eternal punishment, and even the burning question of Freemasonry, republican government and the rights of man.</p>
<p>4<strong>. The Christological perspective of the book</strong>. To some students of theology, it would appear that there is a marked incongruity between the Christ Event of the New Testament and the Christ Event of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>5. <strong>The book&#8217;s ethical implications, when viewed as universally binding upon all men</strong>. Some Latter Day Saints, in talking of the Book of Mormon as the &#8220;fullness of the gospel&#8221; (D. &amp; C. 17:2), believe that the book reveals the will of God more perfectly than any other resource we possess. Moreover they would assert that the transmission process involved in preserving and bringing forth the book would bypass many of the scribal errors to which the Bible was admittedly vulnerable.</p>
<p>6. <strong>The use of biblical scripture and ideas as sources</strong>. Several sizeable sections of the King James Version of the Bible are found in the Book of Mormon, including twenty-one chapters of Isaiah, the Sermon on the Mount, the Ten Commandments, Malachi 3 and 4, I Corinthians 12:1-11 and Acts 3:22-26. In addition to such full-fledged quotations, the Book of Mormon is replete with short biblical expressions. John Hyde counted 298 biblical snatches from the New Testament alone in the first 428 pages of the first edition of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>8<strong>. The matter of Book of Mormon anachronisms</strong>. Those who approach the Book of Mormon with the view of proving it to be essentially what it seems to claim to be–a record of the history of ancient Americans who lived between 2200 BC and AD 400–immediately find themselves having to deal with the problem of anachronisms.</p>
<p>9. <strong>The changes in the Book of Mormon</strong>. While the book itself confesses the possibility of errors, many claims concerning the verbal accuracy of the book have long been made by Book of Mormon adherents. Joseph Smith himself at one time state that &#8220;the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth.&#8221; Modern Microfilm Company of Salt Lake City has recently published a work documenting 3,913 changes in the Book of Mormon since its first printing.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusions.</strong> None of the above problems areas &#8220;disprove&#8221; the Book of Mormon. They do, however, raise some questions about our traditional understandings concerning the book. Perhaps for some church members answers to the questions raised in this article would seem to be readily available. For others, however, quick and easy answers will not solve the dilemma. Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non-literal view of the Book of Mormon, treating it as a non-historical treatise in much the same manner as modern critics view the books of Jonah, Ruth, Job, and Daniel in the Old Testament. Freed from some of the traditional hang-ups involved with having to accept unquestioningly the historicity of the Book of Mormon, these members could then read the book as a product of the Restoration movement in the nineteenth century, perhaps thus &#8220;enjoying&#8221; this fascinating piece of literature for the very first time.</p></blockquote>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/15/some-members-want-to-openly-support-a-non-historical-view-of-the-book-of-mormon/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>71</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Book of Mormon on the Baja</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/02/book-of-mormon-on-the-baja/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/02/book-of-mormon-on-the-baja/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 07:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[geography]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[science]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=10876</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[When I think  of the Baja California Peninsula, I think of the Baja 1000 off-road race where people take lots of vehicles and cross the deserts in all sorts of vehicles.  However, the father-son team of David and Lynn Rosenvall believe the Baja Peninsula (south of California in Mexico&#8211;its most famous city you may recognize is Tijuana) could be the location of Book of Mormon lands.  I&#8217;ve been promising to do a post on this theory, and it is time to review it in more detail. This review should not be considered comprehensive.  I have reviewed their 60 page pdf file called &#8220;An Approach to Book of Mormon Geography&#8220;.  Since I downloaded and read a copy of this article, they have added a few more articles found on their Geography page, but I have not had time to review these.  I will invite David and Lynn to stop by and answer questions about their theory. I have reviewed a few other theories in the past.  I reviewed BOMC&#8217;s Great Lakes Theory, Ralph Olsen&#8217;s Malay Theory, and Venice Priddis&#8217; South American Setting.  My purpose in reviewing theories is to provide constructive criticism.  Some people have very thin skin, and I try [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think  of the Baja California Peninsula, I think of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baja_1000" target="_blank">Baja  1000 off-road race</a> where people take lots of vehicles and cross the  deserts in all sorts of vehicles.  However, the father-son team of David  and Lynn Rosenvall believe the Baja Peninsula (south of California in  Mexico&#8211;its most famous city you may recognize is Tijuana) could be the  location of Book of Mormon lands.  I&#8217;ve been promising to do a post on  this theory, and it is time to review it in more detail.</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-10876"></span>This review  should not be considered comprehensive.  I have reviewed their 60 page  pdf file called &#8220;<a href="http://www.achoiceland.com/book_of_mormon_geography/Approach.pdf" target="_blank">An Approach to Book of Mormon Geography</a>&#8220;.  Since I  downloaded and read a copy of this article, they have added a few more  articles found on their <a href="http://www.achoiceland.com/geography">Geography page</a>, but I  have not had time to review these.  I will invite David and Lynn to  stop by and answer questions about their theory.</p>
<p>I have reviewed a few other theories in the past.  I reviewed BOMC&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/06/03/ny-geography-part-5/">Great  Lakes Theory</a>, Ralph Olsen&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/18/my-first-scoop-the-unpublished-malay-theory/">Malay  Theory</a>, and Venice Priddis&#8217; <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/21/a-south-american-model-for-the-book-of-mormon/">South  American Setting</a>.  My purpose in reviewing theories is to provide  constructive criticism.  Some people have very thin skin, and I try to  be charitable, providing both pros and cons to a theory.  I want  someone&#8217;s theory to be right, so it is imperative to weigh the strengths  and weaknesses of a theory.  I claim no allegiance to any theory&#8211;it&#8217;s  just a topic I love to discuss.  I still plan to review two of the  bigger heavyweights: <a href="http://www.bmaf.org/node/201" target="_blank">Sorenson&#8217;s  Theory</a>, and <a href="http://bookofmormonevidence.org/" target="_blank">Meldrum&#8217;s  Theory</a>.  Additionally, Theodore Brandley&#8217;s <a href="http://brandley.poulsenll.org/" target="_blank">North American  Theory</a>, and Garth Norman&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ancientamerica.org/library/media/HTML/7hvlmli5/book%20of%20mormon%20map.htm">MesoAmerican  Theory</a> are also future topics I plan to post on (lest anyone think I  was running out of ideas.)  (Norman and Sorenson overlap quite a bit,  but there are some important differences.)</p>
<p>Lynn Rosenvall is a geography professor at the University of  Cardston, and received his PhD in geography from Cal-Berkeley.  His son  David has an MBA from BYU and is Chief Technological Officer of Imergent  Inc. (StoresOnline.com).  They&#8217;ve put together an impressive array of  satellite maps using Google maps for their theory.  The Website  dedicated to the theory is called <a href="http://www.achoiceland.com/home" target="_blank">A Choice Land</a>.   I printed a copy of the Theory from Feb 2009&#8211;the current version on  the website is from March 2009.  I&#8217;m not sure how long it has been  published, but as I understand it, the theory is pretty new.</p>
<p><strong>Strengths</strong></p>
<p>I guess the first striking feature to me about this theory is the  fact that the Peninsula is much more of a north-south orientation than  Sorenson&#8217;s MesoAmerican theory.  Another strength of Baja is that the  &#8220;narrow neck of land&#8221; is actually narrow&#8211;Sorenson&#8217;s narrow neck isn&#8217;t  nearly as narrow.  Another bonus is the fact that the Baja Peninsula is  much closer to the generally accepted Book of Mormon locations than say <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/09/a-radically-different-book-of-mormon-geography-theory/">the  Malay Theory</a>.</p>
<p>In the overview article, the Rosenvalls go into great detail on  showing how similar the climate of Baja California is to the  Mediterranean.  Nephi says he brought seeds with him to the New World,  and these seeds grew.  It is important for the climates to be similar.   (Another <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/21/a-south-american-model-for-the-book-of-mormon/">theory  I reviewed shows Chile/Peru</a> have Mediterranean climates as well.)  I  think this is an important aspect of their theory.  The Rosenvalls  point out that many of the fruits and vegetables we eat in America are  grown on the Baja Peninsula.</p>
<p>The Rosenvalls seem to follow Sorenson&#8217;s methodology for calculating  distances.  I view this as one of Sorenson&#8217;s greatest contributions to  Book of Mormon research, and I&#8217;m glad to see that the Rosenvalls seem to  follow a similar method for calculating distances.  It is pretty  apparent to me that the Book of Mormon lands are much smaller than the  hemispheric models that early Mormons (and many lay members) thought  about the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>The Rosenvalls make a case that the Uto-Aztecan language bears  similarities to Hebrew.  I think this is both a strength and a weakness,  but I&#8217;m putting this in the strength section.  Frankly, I think the  Rosenvalls should really expand on this point.  I note that there is  more information in the new PDF than the one I downloaded last year, but  I think it should be expanded upon further.  This has the potential to  be a big help with their theory.</p>
<p><strong>Weaknesses</strong></p>
<p>Since I mentioned languages, I ought to explain weaknesses as well.   While these language families are in the Southwestern US and mainland  Mexico, I don&#8217;t believe there is evidence that Indians on the Baja  Peninsula spoke in one of these language dialects.  Perhaps they  traveled off the Baja Peninsula, but these ties need to be strengthened  to really take advantage of this information.  Even if there are  similarities between Uto-Aztecan languages, I&#8217;m not aware of any DNA  evidence linking Uto-Aztecan tribes to the Mediterranean, which is  another problem.</p>
<p>While I understand this is an introduction to the theory, there are  many other aspects of Book of Mormon that are merely touched on, or  completely missing.  The theory discusses flora and fauna extensively,  but doesn&#8217;t discuss wheat, barley, or silk.  Animals aren&#8217;t mentioned  either, such as the elephants or animals mentioned in the Book of  Mormon.  What is the best candidate for cureloms and cumons?  Is there  evidence for sheep, horses, or cows?</p>
<p>Additionally, does the archaeology date to Book of Mormon times?  Is  there evidence that chariots existed?  Have swords, cimitars, or other  weapons been found?  I will say as a general rule, that most North,  Central, or South American theories cannot find any evidence  archaeologically for many of the weapons mentioned in the Book of  Mormon.  For a theory to really stand out, such evidence needs to be  found.</p>
<p>Sorenson has found a sharp weapon that he is calling a sword: sharp  obsidian triangular blades attached to a wooden club, but the Book of  Mormon says the swords rusted, so however sharp and lethal Sorenson&#8217;s  obsidian/wood weapon is, it certainly wont rust.  This type of evidence  needs to be accounted for by any theory, and the lack of mention of  these problematic parts of the Book of Mormon needs to be addressed in  the overview.</p>
<p><strong>Warfare</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come across Morgan Deane, and I invited him to  participate in this <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/04/18/book-of-mormon-on-the-baja/">discussion on my blog previously</a>.  Morgan has his own site called <a href="http://mormonwar.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Warfare and  the Book of Mormon</a>.  Morgan has a Masters Degree in History, and has  presented papers on Napoleonic warfare and published papers about  Asian,  Napoleonic and Book of Mormon Warfare.  Since the Rosenvalls  included information about battles (roughly pages 36-50), I asked Morgan what he thinks of Baja geography in relation to some of these  battles.  Here is what he said,</p>
<blockquote><p>From a military history standpoint I only noticed one thing:  They  mentioned the rate of travel during a battle would be slower than  normal. (p.54)  I think the rate of travel would actually be FASTER if  you were manuevering for survival.  For example, one of Stonewall  Jackon’s infantry units travelled 50 miles in one day when threatened  with destruction.</p>
<p>They also make the claim that the Jaredites were destroyed down to a  single person.  Most scholars and scholarship suggest that a significant  amount of Jaredites survived and influenced Nephite society.  (Starting  with Hugh Nibley in “The World of the Jaredites”)  They also fail to  mention the point made by Firetag.  So they crossed the Pacific but  never expanded across a small bay?  I should mention that Nephi spent 7  years travelling in “the land of the north”, so its possible that some  Nephite lands were farther away and simply never mentioned due to the  Zarahemla-centric record keepers.</p>
<p>Finally, why would a victorious Lamanite nation abandon all of their  cities, in addition to the newly conquered Nephite cities?  Wouldn’t we  expect to find a large and advanced tribe in the Baja area with a long  history?  If the land was so choice, why leave it?</p>
<p>Here is the link where I mention their site before.  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mormonwar.blogspot.com/2009/11/nephihah-in-google-earth.html">http://mormonwar.blogspot.com/2009/11/nephihah-in-google-earth.html</a></p></blockquote>
<p>David clarified his position on the Jaredites here.</p>
<blockquote><p>We never make the claim that the Jaredites were destroyed down to a  single person. The Book of Mormon doesn’t even say that. We wrote an  article you can read if you want to get our official stand on the  Jaredites (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.achoiceland.com/jaredites">http://www.achoiceland.com/jaredites</a>).  It has strong correlation to Baja California.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, what do you think of this Baja Theory?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/02/book-of-mormon-on-the-baja/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>48</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>White and Delightsome or Pure and Delightsome? (Cognitive dissonance 2)</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/04/20/what-will-it-be-white-and-delightsome-or-pure-and-delightsome-cognitive-dissonance-2/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/04/20/what-will-it-be-white-and-delightsome-or-pure-and-delightsome-cognitive-dissonance-2/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[accountability]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[blacks]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[burdens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[correlation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Discrimination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Folklore]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[lamanites]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS lessons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Nephi]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[plan of salvation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[race]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[righteousness]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=10643</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change. I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white. We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with. I guess I better get down to what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Indian1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-10645" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Indian1.jpg" alt="" width="293" height="188" /></a></p>
<p>I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change.<span id="more-10643"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/grandmothers1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-10647" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/grandmothers1.jpg" alt="" width="271" height="153" /></a></p>
<p>I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white.</p>
<p>We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with.</p>
<p>I guess I better get down to what has caused my dissonance.   Here are some statements by the prophets about a Book of Mormon passage found in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+ne+30:6&amp;do=Search">2 Nephi 30:6</a> regarding a change Lamanites would experience if they embraced the Book of Mormon.  In every edition save one (1840), the words &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; were used.  In the 1981 edition, the editors reverted to the 1840 edition&#8217;s &#8220;pure and delightsome&#8221; wording.</p>
<p><strong>Prophet Statements</strong></p>
<p><strong>President Brigham Young </strong><br />
&#8220;You may inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines of this country are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation &#8230;When the Lord has a people, he makes covenants with them and gives unto them promises: then, if they transgress his law, change his ordinances, and break his covenants he has made with them, he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites and other portions of the house of Israel; but by-and-by they will become a white and delightsome people.&#8221; (Journal of Discourses 7:336)</p>
<p><strong>W.W. Phelps to Brigham Young quoting Joseph Smith: </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;It is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites that their posterity, may become white, delightsome and just.&#8217;&#8221; In the 8 December 1831 Ohio Star, Ezra Booth wrote of a revelation directing Mormon elders to marry with the &#8220;natives.&#8221; (Sunstone, November 1993, footnote #5, pg. 52)</p>
<p><strong>Apostle Spencer W. Kimball</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today&#8230;. The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl&#8211;sixteen&#8211;sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents&#8211;on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather&#8230;.These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.&#8221; (Apostle Elder Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967)</p>
<p><strong>2 Nephi 5:21</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 <strong>Nephi 2:12-15</strong> teaches that dark-skinned Lamanites who converted unto the Lord had their curse taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;White&#8221; versus &#8220;Pure&#8221; (Maxwell Institute)</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>According to the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon, Nephi, speaking of the latter-day restoration, discussed the future conversion of Lehi&#8217;s descendants: &#8220;And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people&#8221; (2 Nephi 30:6). In 1840 the Book of Mormon was &#8220;carefully revised by the translator,&#8221; Joseph Smith, and in that edition the expression &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; was changed to &#8220;pure and delightsome.&#8221; This change seems to reflect the Prophet&#8217;s concern that modern readers might misinterpret this passage as a reference to racial changes rather than to changes in righteousness. Possibly his sojourns in Ohio and Missouri had altered his perspective of the racial connotations of the term <em>white</em> in the contemporary United States, particularly among slaves and slaveholders. He may not have gained much understanding of this matter during his upbringing in New England and New York State, where slavery was not as common.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for subsequent Latter-day Saint interpreters, following the Prophet&#8217;s death the changes in the 1840 edition of the Book of Mormon were not carried over into subsequent printings, which were instead based on an edition prepared by the Twelve Apostles in Great Britain after a copy of an earlier edition. The apostles, being in England, were not familiar with the 1840 edition. Consequently, Latter-day Saints did not reap the benefit of the Prophet&#8217;s clarification until it was restored in the 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon.  Some critics have been fond of citing statements of earlier Latter-day Saint leaders, who once interpreted 2 Nephi 30:6 to mean that conversion leads to a change of skin color; however, to use such statements today is anachronistic at best and disingenuous at worst since these statements were all expressed previous to the 1981 correction and merely echo a misinterpretation of the Book of Mormon text rather than the authoritative text itself. Moreover, a change in Lamanite skin color was clearly never intended by the &#8220;white/pure and delightsome&#8221; passage that the Prophet Joseph modified because it does not refer to the Lamanites at all, but to the Nephites and Jews in the latter days who turn to Christ (see 2 Nephi 30:1—7).</p>
<p>But is the Prophet&#8217;s change from &#8220;white&#8221; to &#8220;pure&#8221; justified in the scriptural context? The answer is yes. The terms <em>white</em> and <em>pure</em> are used synonymously in Daniel 7:9, Revelation 15:6, and Doctrine and Covenants 110:3. They are also found together in a number of passages where they clearly refer to those who are purified and redeemed by Christ (Alma 5:24; 13:12; 32:42; Mormon 9:6; D&amp;C 20:6). Similarly, Mormon expressed the hope that the Nephites &#8220;may once again be a delightsome people&#8221; (Words of Mormon 1:8).</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Poll</strong></p>
<p><strong>[poll id ="146"]<br />
</strong></p>
<p>[poll id = "148"]</p>
<p>[poll id = "149"]</p>
<p>[poll id = "150"]</p>
<p>Where I have dissonance or questions</p>
<ol>
<li>Is from how I understand the Book of Mormon and statements of past prophets contradict our view of it being pure today.</li>
<li>There has been no church conference talk that I am aware of clarifying the teachings of the past prophets i.e. President Kimball white vs pure. Many members I would suggest aren’t clear on our past beliefs and our current progressive belief on pure.</li>
<li>If these were president Kimball’s own personal views why haven’t the church come out with a statement expounding on this?</li>
<li>As a church, are we resolute that this was a clarification of the word white &#8212; never meant to refer to a person with dark skin pigmentation who would turn white upon a conversion to the gospel; but referring to a cleaner state of heart? This hypothesis in my mind fails to make clear other passages in the Book of Mormon that still make a connection with &#8220;iniquity&#8221; and skin color. See, for example, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=2+ne+30:6&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=2+ne+5:21%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=">2 Nephi 5:21</a> as well as past prophet statements.</li>
<li>Why did it take God 140 years to clarify this misunderstanding?</li>
<li>If we quote what President Kimball said in 1967 conference would we be considered anachronistic today?</li>
<li>Is FARMS saying Apostle Kimball’s views are out of date , old fashioned, obsolete?</li>
</ol>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/04/20/what-will-it-be-white-and-delightsome-or-pure-and-delightsome-cognitive-dissonance-2/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>60</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Mormon Myths as Transferable Charisma</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/23/mormon-myths-as-transferable-charisma/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/23/mormon-myths-as-transferable-charisma/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Folklore]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[President Monson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Priesthood]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Question]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[revelation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[truth]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=10148</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Richard Bushman has recently given a presentation on ‘Joseph Smith and the Routinization of Charisma’. One of Bushman’s arguments seems to be that Charisma was located in the office rather than the person. That these divine or supernatural powers were transferred to whoever held a particular office.  Moreover, it was through this coupling of bureaucracy and charisma that Joseph led the early Church and through which it was transferred to Brigham Young. Yet, as the bureaucracy and membership grew it would seem that the ability of both members and leaders to draw upon or demonstrate this office-based charisma became more limited. Many Latter-day Saints will spend their whole lives never seeing a Prophet in person. Instead, therefore, my contention is that Mormon myths serve as a form of transferable Charisma. They become one of the mechanisms for demonstrating the type of office-based Charisma that Bushman observes. I want to explore these myths using the office of Prophet/President.  The centrality of his position hierarchically, the significant role he plays in the faith of many members of the Church and also the infrequency of contact with the general membership make this an apt example. These myths come in many varieties.  There are stories about the Holy of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Bushman has recently given a presentation on ‘Joseph Smith and the Routinization of Charisma’. One of Bushman’s arguments seems to be that Charisma was located in the office rather than the person. That these divine or supernatural powers were transferred to whoever held a particular office.  Moreover, it was through this coupling of bureaucracy and charisma that Joseph led the early Church and through which it was transferred to Brigham Young. Yet, as the bureaucracy and membership grew it would seem that the ability of both members and leaders to draw upon or demonstrate this office-based charisma became more limited. Many Latter-day Saints will spend their whole lives never seeing a Prophet in person. Instead, therefore, my contention is that Mormon myths serve as a form of transferable Charisma. They become one of the mechanisms for demonstrating the type of office-based Charisma that Bushman observes.<span id="more-10148"></span></p>
<p>I want to explore these myths using the office of Prophet/President.  The centrality of his position hierarchically, the significant role he plays in the faith of many members of the Church and also the infrequency of contact with the general membership make this an apt example.</p>
<p>These myths come in many varieties.  There are stories about the Holy of Holies, about paintings of the Saviour and about mantle experiences. Now all of these may well be true, in whole or in part, or they may be completely fabricated. I am not concerned with their truth claims, rather I think that what is essential in the dynamic of these stories is the way that they become transferable between Prophets.</p>
<p>It is possible to trace a number of these stories (or variants of them) through many leaders, especially prophets, of the Church. This does not add to their fallacious nature rather it serves to reinforce what Bushman noted, which is that the office is endowed with charismatic gifts and not the person. Therefore it is probable, even expected, that these charismatic gifts are manifest by diverse men who hold the same office.</p>
<p>For example, the ‘This is the Place’ myth is re-cycled in England regularly but in a context far removed from Utah. Instead this myth focuses on the construction of the Preston Temple. Simply stated, a number sites were discussed but one site had a number of people who always resisted building permission. Yet, President Hinckley had asked for a Temple to built in Preston and when he saw the different sites he said… Yes, you guessed it. Then, though there were problems, the Temple went ahead. I am sure other similar stories abound.</p>
<p>My point is this, the process of re-cycling and repeating these mythic stories is one mechanism for maintaining the dynamism of a charismatic office, specifically the Prophet, in a Church where the general membership is so far removed from the individual. This is not to say that miraculous things do not happen, but these stories play an important sociological role in reinforcing this key notion that is rooted so firmly to the earliest days of the Church. These Mormon myths serve as a form of transferable charisma for an otherwise distant office.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/23/mormon-myths-as-transferable-charisma/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>19</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Dueling Wordprint Studies</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/06/dueling-wordprint-studies/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/06/dueling-wordprint-studies/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=10038</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[This is the 3rd post reviewing By the Hand of Mormon, by Terryl Givens.  I&#8217;ve taken a bit on an interest in wordprint studies.  Givens explains wordprint studies on page 156. Computational stylistics is based on the premise that all authors exhibit subtle, quantifiable stylistic traits that are equivalent to a litereray fingerprint, or wordprint.  The method has been used to investigate other instances of disputed authorship, from Plato to Shakespeare to the Federalist papers.  Analyzing blocks of words from 24 of the Book of Mormon&#8217;s ostensible authors, along with nine nineteenth-century writers including Joseph Smith, three statisticians used three statistical techniques (multivariate analysis of variance, cluster analysis, and discriminant analysis) to establish the probability that the various parts of the Book of Mormon were composed by the range of authors suggested by the narrative itself.  They found that all of the sample word blocks exhibit their own &#8220;discernable authorship styles (wordprints),&#8221; even though these blocks are not clearly demarcated in the text, but are &#8220;shuffled and intermixed&#8221; throughout the Book of Mormon&#8217;s editorially complex narrative structure (wherein alleged authorship shifts some 2.000 times).  Emphasizing the demonstrated resistance of these methods to even deliberate stylistic imitation, they further conclude that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the 3rd post reviewing <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/890236.By_the_Hand_of_Mormon_The_American_Scripture_that_Launched_a_New_World_Religion">By the Hand of Mormon</a>, by Terryl Givens.  I&#8217;ve taken a bit on an interest in wordprint studies.  Givens explains wordprint studies on page 156.</p>
<blockquote><p>Computational stylistics is based on the premise that all authors exhibit subtle, quantifiable stylistic traits that are equivalent to a litereray fingerprint, or wordprint.  The method has been used to investigate other instances of disputed authorship, from Plato to Shakespeare to the Federalist papers.  <img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-10038"></span>Analyzing blocks of words from 24 of the Book of Mormon&#8217;s ostensible authors, along with nine nineteenth-century writers including Joseph Smith, three statisticians used three statistical techniques (multivariate analysis of variance, cluster analysis, and discriminant analysis) to establish the probability that the various parts of the Book of Mormon were composed by the range of authors suggested by the narrative itself.  They found that all of the sample word blocks exhibit their own &#8220;discernable authorship styles (wordprints),&#8221; even though these blocks are not clearly demarcated in the text, but are &#8220;shuffled and intermixed&#8221; throughout the Book of Mormon&#8217;s editorially complex narrative structure (wherein alleged authorship shifts some 2.000 times).  Emphasizing the demonstrated resistance of these methods to even deliberate stylistic imitation, they further conclude that &#8220;it does not seem possible that Joseph Smith or any other writer could have fabricated a work with 24 or more discernible authorship styles.&#8221;  The evidence, they write, is &#8220;overwhelming&#8221; that the Book of Mormon was not written by Joseph Smith or any of his contemporaries or alleged collaborators they tested for (including Sidney Rigdon and Solomon Spaulding).<sup>4</sup> Asubsequent, even more sophisticated analysis by a Berkeley group concluded that it is &#8220;statistically indefensible to propose Joseph Smith or Oliver Cowdery or Solomon Spaulding as the author of 30,000 words&#8230;attributed to Nephi and Alma&#8230;The Book of Mormon measures multiauthored, with authorship consistent with its own internal claims.  These results are obtained even though the writings of Nephi and Alma were &#8216;translated&#8217; by Joseph Smith.&#8221;<sup>5</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, let me talk about multivariate analysis of variance, cluster analysis, and discriminant analysis.  These are very advanced graduate level statistical techniques.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_A._Fisher">Ronald Fisher</a> is a famous English statistician (ok, only famous to statisticians) who pioneered many of these techniques.  Danish Professor Anders Hald said Fisher  &#8220;almost single-handedly created the foundations for modern statistical science.&#8221;  Fisher died in 1962.  These techniques are really new, are frankly aren&#8217;t discussed in any bachelor&#8217;s level statistics courses.</p>
<p>Givens book was published in 2002.  From reading this paragraph, one would think wordprint studies are solidly in favor of Mormons.  However, in Dec 2008, Oxford Journals published a new study called &#8220;<em>Reassessing authorship of the Book of Mormon using delta and nearest shrunken centroid classification</em>.&#8221; I have a master&#8217;s degree in statistics, and until I saw this article, I had never heard of a shrunken centroid classification.  I must say I have always been impressed with Wikipedia when it comes to math articles, but Wikipedia doesn&#8217;t even have an article on this shrunken centroid classification.  I found this <a href="http://www-stat.stanford.edu/~tibs/PAM/Rdist/howwork.html">Stanford University article that describes the technique</a>.  Apparently it is used in cancer gene analysis.  The authors of this Book of Mormon authorship article are three Stanford University professors:  Matthew L. Jockers (English), Daniela M. Witten  (Statistics), Craig S. Criddle (Civil and Environmental Engineering).  They claim that “Our findings<sup> </sup>support the hypothesis that Rigdon was the main architect of<sup> </sup>the <em>Book of Mormon</em> and are consistent with historical evidence<sup> </sup>suggesting that he fabricated the book by adding theology to<sup> </sup>the unpublished writings of Spalding (then deceased).”</p>
<p>(<a href="http://llc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/short/23/4/465" target="_blank">The abstract is found here</a>, but you have to pay $28 to actually view the article.)  FAIR has criticized the methodology of the study, because they didn’t include Joseph Smith as a possible author.  Why isn’t he as likely as Spalding to have written it?  It appears the Stanford professors decided that the true author of the Book of Mormon was one of only seven possible authors:  Oliver Cowdery, Parley P Pratt, Sidney Rigdon, Solomon Spalding, Isaiah/Malachi, Joel Barlow, and Henry Longfellow.  Barlow and Longfellow are poets thrown in as control, so it shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise that they didn’t match.  Since the Book of Mormon includes writings of Isaiah and Malachi, these portions should easily match, and the Jockers study concludes these portions match.</p>
<p>I guess my biggest problem with Jockers is this.  The corrected abstract refers to a correction on one chapter, &#8220;With the corrected<sup> </sup>data, NSC ranked Rigdon at 0.4626 and Spalding at 0.46525.&#8221;  If I am understanding this correctly, these numbers are probabilities.  So the probability that Sidney Rigdon is the real author if this chapter of the Book of Mormon is less 50%&#8211;not exactly a ringing endorsement, I&#8217;d say.  I&#8217;d like to see probabilities of the other chapters, especially the Isaiah and Malachi chapters, which I expect will have a pretty strong correlation.</p>
<p>Now, to be fair, I don&#8217;t have probabilities that Givens is referencing&#8211;perhaps they are suspect as well.  But I expect that Isaiah and Malachi have much higher probabilities than 0.4626 for Jockers study.  So, what do you think of wordprint studies?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/06/dueling-wordprint-studies/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>77</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Are Mormon Academics Winning the Debate with Evangelicals?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/02/27/are-mormon-academics-winning-the-debate-with-evangelicals/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/02/27/are-mormon-academics-winning-the-debate-with-evangelicals/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[evangelicals]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=9970</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been reading Terryl Givens book, By the Hand of Mormon.  While acknowledging archaeological data isn&#8217;t as strong as other aspects of the Book of Mormon, Givens seems to feel Mormon academics have made some impressive contributions.  I posted a longer version of this on my blog.  Givens starts with Hugh Nibley on page 118: No one in the history of Mormon scholarship has done more to establish rational grounds for belief in the Book of Mormon than Hugh Nibley.  Acquiring impressive scholarly credentials (summa cum laude from UCLA and a Berkeley Ph.D. dissertation written in three weeks in 1938) before heading off to war&#8230;. From page 124, Nibley&#8217;s legendary erudition, fluency across a spectrum of languages, and prodigious output (appearing in a wide range of scholarly publications from the Classical Journal and Encyclopedia Judaica to Church History and Revue de Qumran) have lent his work a weight that is unprecedented in Mormon studies. Praised by the likes of non-LDS scholars Raphael Patai, Jacob Neusner, James Charlesworth, Cyrus Gordon, Jacob Milgrom, and former Harvard Divinity School dean George McRae (&#8220;it is obscene for a man to know that much,&#8221; he grumbled, hearing him lecture), Nibley has done more than any [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Terryl Givens book, <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/890236.By_the_Hand_of_Mormon_The_American_Scripture_that_Launched_a_New_World_Religion">By the Hand of Mormon</a>.  While acknowledging <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/01/31/foundations-of-book-of-mormon-archaeology/">archaeological data</a> isn&#8217;t as strong as other aspects of the Book of Mormon, Givens seems to feel Mormon academics have made some impressive contributions.  I posted a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/02/22/are-mormon-academics-winning-the-debate-with-evangelicals/">longer version</a> of this on my blog.  Givens starts with Hugh Nibley on page 118:</p>
<blockquote><p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />No one in the history of Mormon scholarship has done more to establish rational grounds for belief in the Book of Mormon than Hugh Nibley.  Acquiring impressive scholarly credentials (summa cum laude from UCLA and a Berkeley Ph.D. dissertation written in three weeks in 1938) before heading off to war&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-9970"></span>From page 124,</p>
<blockquote><p>Nibley&#8217;s legendary erudition, fluency across a spectrum of languages, and prodigious output (appearing in a wide range of scholarly publications from the <em>Classical Journal</em> and <em>Encyclopedia Judaica</em> to <em>Church History</em> and <em>Revue de Qumran) </em>have lent his work a weight that is unprecedented in Mormon studies.</p>
<p>Praised by the likes of non-LDS scholars Raphael Patai, Jacob Neusner, James Charlesworth, Cyrus Gordon, Jacob Milgrom, and former Harvard Divinity School dean George McRae (&#8220;it is obscene for a man to know that much,&#8221; he grumbled, hearing him lecture), Nibley has done more than any Mormon of his era to further the intellectual credibility of the Book of Mormon.<sup>23</sup> Inspired by his work, a more recent generation of LDS researchers brings a range of impressive scholarly credentials to serious Book of Mormon scholarship.<sup>24</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Many critics of the Book of Mormon take issue with this idea of &#8220;Reformed Egyptian.&#8221;  Givens quotes Moroni on page 132,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech&#8221; (Morm. 9:32)</p>
<p>Mormon scholars take this to suggest the possibility that the writers used modified Egyptian symbols to represent Hebrew words (&#8220;Hebrew words, idioms, and syntax written in Egyptian cursive script&#8221;<sup>53</sup>), certainly a bizarre idea for a nineteenth-century audience.  Now as John Tvedtnes points out, &#8220;the use of Egyptian symbols to transliterate Hebrew words and vice versa, is known from the sixth century B.C. text discovered at Arad and Kadesh-Barnea,&#8221;<sup>54</sup> Papyrus Amherst 63, for example, &#8220;contains a scriptural text in Northwest Semitic tongue written in an Egyptian script.&#8221;<sup>55</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>Givens shows other parallels in the chapter, including:</p>
<ul>
<li> Lehi&#8217;s travel through the desert,</li>
<li>his poetic structure,</li>
<li>the golden plates parallel with the Copper Scroll found with the Dead Sea Scrolls (and other writings on ancient metal plates),</li>
<li>similarities between Moroni&#8217;s Title of Liberty and the Quran,</li>
<li>King Benjamin&#8217;s coronation was similar to Bablyonian rituals, and</li>
<li>important plates buried in stone boxes by Darius, king of Persia.</li>
</ul>
<p>Givens goes on to talk about John Welch.  As a missionary in Germany in 1967, Welch attended a lecture on chiasmus, a Hebrew literary device.  Welch soon discovered chiasmus in Mosiah 5:10-12, a form of inverted parallel poetry.  Welch went on to work with FARMS, the Foundation of Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (formed in 1979.)  The group looks at Old World parallels in the Book of Mormon.  Givens addresses John Sorenson, the most recognized archaeologist advocating a Central American setting for the Book of Mormon.  (I plan a future post exclusively to Sorenson and his theory.)</p>
<p>Givens says that Mormon Scholarship is causing alarm among Evangelical critics.  From page 143,</p>
<blockquote><p>Under the burden of Mormon scholarship that is increasingly well credentialed, and in the face of Mormon growth that is alarming to evangelicals,<sup>110</sup> the polemics of nineteenth-century preachers are no longer an adequate response.  Until recently, for example, criticisms of barley or pre-Columbian horses in the Book of Mormon would come from writers of anti-Mormon books&#8211;not from botanists or archaeologists.  The latter have not, for the most part, taken the Book of Mormon seriously enough as a text to analyze its historical credibility.  A recent paper by two evangelical scholars suggests that a realignment of the Book of Mormon wars may be coming.</p>
<p>The 1997 address of Carl Mosser and Paul Owen at a regional meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society was remarkable for a number of reasons.  First, it accorded high praise to the state of Mormon scholarship.  They summarized a number of recent publications to illustrate their assertion that &#8220;in recent years the sophistication and erudition of LDS apologetics has risen considerably&#8230;[and] is clearly seen in their approach to the Book of Mormon.&#8221;  As difficult as it may be to accept the fact, &#8220;LDS academicians are producing serious research which desperately needs to be critically examined,&#8221; they insisted.<sup>111</sup></p>
<p>In addition, Mosser and Owen are adamant that evangelical responses to Mormon scholarship have been, almost universally, &#8220;uninformed, misleading, or otherwise inadequate&#8230;.At the academic level evangelicals are losing the debate.&#8221;<sup>112</sup> Actually, it hardly resembles a debate, because Mormon scholars, they acknowledge, &#8220;have&#8230;answered most of the usual evangelical criticisms.&#8221;  And, as of 1997, there were &#8220;no books from an evangelical perspective that responsibly interact with contemporary LDS scholarly and apologetic writings.&#8221;<sup>113</sup></p>
<p>&#8230;[page 144]  The major force in anti-Mormon polemics has long been Jerald and Sandra Tanner&#8230;It is no wonder that non-Mormon historian Lawrence Foster has faulted these critics, the most prolific of all anti-Mormon writers, for &#8220;twisting&#8221; scholarship, resorting to &#8220;debaters&#8217; ploys,&#8221; and, in general, demonstrating &#8220;lack of balance and perspective.&#8221;<sup>117</sup></p></blockquote>
<p>So, what do you think of the state of Mormon Scholarship?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/02/27/are-mormon-academics-winning-the-debate-with-evangelicals/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>59</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Dialogue Subscribers and Book of Mormon Historicity?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/07/dialogue-subscribers-and-book-of-mormon-historicity/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/07/dialogue-subscribers-and-book-of-mormon-historicity/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8994</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[In 2005 Dialogue conducted research among it&#8217;s subscribers.  There was over a 1,000 responses which (assuming that everyone answered every question) is a fairly good sized sample to infer what the population of subscribers might think.  One interesting tidbit is that nearly half of the subscribers were over 61 and that 40% had a doctoral degree.  They asked a range of qustions but one that interested me was: &#8216;What way is the Book of Mormon Authentic?&#8217;  I thought before showing the results that our readers should answer the same question:  [poll id="93"] The Dialogue subscribers answered in the following way: 33.9% = Historical 21.6% = Teaching and Moral Theology Authentic; Historicity Doubtful 12% = Moral Teachings Sound, Historicity &#38; Divine Origin Doubtful 13.7% = 19th Century Literary Product I would have thought that less people would have thought that the Book of Mormon was historical?  Just in case your wondering, for those people who subscribe to Dialogue only 5.9% subscribe or read regularly FAIR. Questions: Are these results surprising to you?  If so why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2005 Dialogue conducted <a href="http://www.dialoguejournal.com/DialogueSurveyFinalTables.pdf">research</a> among it&#8217;s subscribers.  There was over a 1,000 responses which (assuming that everyone answered every question) is a fairly good sized sample to infer what the population of subscribers might think.  One interesting tidbit is that nearly half of the subscribers were over 61 and that 40% had a doctoral degree.  They asked a range of qustions but one that interested me was: &#8216;What way is the Book of Mormon Authentic?&#8217;  I thought before showing the results that our readers should answer the same question:<span id="more-8994"></span></p>
<p> [poll id="93"]</p>
<p>The Dialogue subscribers answered in the following way:</p>
<p>33.9% = Historical</p>
<p>21.6% = Teaching and Moral Theology Authentic; Historicity Doubtful</p>
<p>12% = Moral Teachings Sound, Historicity &amp; Divine Origin Doubtful</p>
<p>13.7% = 19th Century Literary Product</p>
<p>I would have thought that less people would have thought that the Book of Mormon was historical?  Just in case your wondering, for those people who subscribe to Dialogue only 5.9% subscribe or read regularly FAIR.</p>
<p>Questions:</p>
<p>Are these results surprising to you?  If so why?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/07/dialogue-subscribers-and-book-of-mormon-historicity/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>19</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>In the Shadow of the Temple by Guest</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/22/in-the-shadow-of-the-temple-by-guest/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/22/in-the-shadow-of-the-temple-by-guest/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostles]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[baptism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bloggernacle]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[burdens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cinema]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[depression]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Discrimination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Folklore]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Happiness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[liberal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[media]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[obedience]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ordinances]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[polygamy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[resignation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[righteousness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spiritual progression]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[temple]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tesimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[disaffection]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ex-Mormon]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8674</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes. Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church. They did hundreds [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-8675" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Temple-poster-198x300.jpg" alt="Temple poster" width="198" height="300" /></p>
<p>A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows</p>
<p>In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. <a href="http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com/">http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com </a>The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes.</p>
<p>Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church.<span id="more-8674"></span></p>
<p>They did hundreds of hours of interviews over two years and edited it down to a 55 minute film. The film is very moving&#8211;a tribute to those who shared their stories as well as DeMillia and Lavery&#8217;s videography and editing skills.</p>
<p>About two dozen people appear in interviews in the film. Each story is unique, but a common thread runs throughout them all. All faced a similar rejection by family, friends and community.  Some of those interviewed have left the church. Others no longer believe, but remain active because of family or community pressure. The latter are filmed in shadows, to obscure their identity. The film refers to these people as “Shadow Mormons.” They define &#8220;Shadow Mormons&#8221; as those who privately do not accept the exacting doctrine of the Church, but publicly profess to be true believers. They are in shadow to protect their relationships with family, friends and employers.</p>
<p>Someone commented to me after the film, “That&#8217;s you. You&#8217;re a Shadow Mormon.”</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Shadow Mormon. Maybe that&#8217;s why this film hit me so hard. I haven&#8217;t believed in over 20 years – most of my adult life. Yet, during that time I&#8217;ve paid my tithing, gone to the temple, served in bishoprics and high councils and done all the things that were expected of me. Why? Because I am tied to the church by family and community.</p>
<p>The story of &#8220;Grace&#8221; (not her real name) resonated with me because it was so similar to mine. Her pain, and anger, were born of all the energy she has given to a religion that she doesn&#8217;t believe in. Finding out that the Church was not true was like a death experience for her. Like me, she tried following the Church&#8217;s teachings to fast, pray, read the scriptures and yet never felt she received the &#8220;burning in her bosom&#8221; that is promised in the scriptures.</p>
<p>What of the families and communities of these people? What are their stories, their experiences with loved ones who go through a process of losing belief and leaving the church. Only one person who was a family or friend agreed to be interviewed for the film. The believing husband that was interviewed told how he still loved his wife, even though she has left the church. What about the others? Are they embarrassed to say that the Church was more important than their relationship with the person who left?</p>
<p>The saddest stories, to me, were of divorce caused by one spouse believing and the other not believing. Michelle (another woman interviewed in the film) said her heart was broken that her husband would choose the Church over her. He told their marriage therapist that if she had not been Mormon he never would have married her. &#8220;There was more to me than being a Mormon,&#8221; she said.  &#8220;And I thought that there was more to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>The dictionary defines empathy as “the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.” We could all use a little more empathy for those around us. I have had several people tell me, “I can&#8217;t imagine how a person could leave the church.” Either they need a better imagination or they need more empathy.  Maybe they just need to see this film.</p>
<p>One of the questions at the screening&#8211;one that Lavery could not answer&#8211;was, “How do we get the right people to see this film?” Sadly, many members of the church would not even consider it. (It screened in Salt Lake City in October and got almost no media coverage.) The film does not try to de-convert anyone or disparage the doctrine of the church. It doesn&#8217;t assert that someone is right because he or she believes, or that someone else is right because he or she leaves the church. This film is about accepting people regardless of what they believe, and about how we treat those who believe differently than we do. I wish every member of the church could see this film.</p>
<p>Film Trailer: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/22/in-the-shadow-of-the-temple-by-guest/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>282</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Temple Wedding Petition</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/12/temple-wedding-petition/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/12/temple-wedding-petition/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[accountability]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostles]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Charity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[children]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Happiness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jesus]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[liberal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[missionary]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[plan of salvation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testimony]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8492</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[A temple wedding petition to is being circulated to promote love and happiness in the family by changing the church&#8217;s stance on civil marriages preceding temple weddings. The petition requests that the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make it acceptable to have a civil marriage ceremony first, if desired, and then giving the couple the necessary time to attend the temple for the sealing ordinance as they do in those countries whose laws require it.  (The petition is not endorsed by Mormon Matters; this information is being shared for discussion as a news item). In the following video which lasts about 2 minutes, Jean talks about the stigma some members may feel if they choose a civil wedding ceremony. The other preseding videos last approximately 2 minutes each. Temple Wedding Petition 3 Here Temple Wedding Petition 1 Here Temple Wedding Petition 2 Here Temple Wedding Petition .org here The actual petition is found here I was raised in a part member family and remember when my brother was married my parents were disappointed that they weren&#8217;t able to go to the temple and see their son get married. It would have been nice for our family [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-8498" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Petition-274x300.jpg" alt="Petition" width="274" height="300" />A temple wedding petition to is being circulated to promote love and happiness in the family by changing the church&#8217;s stance on civil marriages preceding temple weddings. The petition requests that the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make it acceptable to have a civil marriage ceremony first, if desired, and then giving the couple the necessary time to attend the temple for the sealing ordinance as they do in those countries whose laws require it.  (The petition is not endorsed by Mormon Matters; this information is being shared for discussion as a news item).</p>
<p>In the following video which lasts about 2 minutes, Jean talks about the stigma some members may feel if they choose a civil wedding ceremony. The other preseding videos last approximately 2 minutes each.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdS1u8LeJU&amp;NR=1">Temple Wedding Petition 3 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwEpA-lFsX8&amp;NR=1"><span id="more-8492"></span>Temple Wedding Petition 1 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf3JPeT69Lg&amp;NR=1">Temple Wedding Petition 2 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/">Temple Wedding Petition .org here</a></p>
<p>The actual petition is found <a href="http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/enter/4952.html">here</a></p>
<p>I was raised in a part member family and remember when my brother was married my parents were disappointed that they weren&#8217;t able to go to the temple and see their son get married. It would have been nice for our family to have seen it. I wonder if it makes non- members, or those on the fringe, feel excluded from the church and may damper future missionary work with families. I live in England and it&#8217;s the law that there is a civil wedding which usually takes place in the chapel.</p>
<p>Recently a nephew was married and was schedueled to get married in the Salt Lake temple. Because much of the family couldn&#8217;t witness the wedding they decided last minute to have a civil wedding. He and his wife since their marriage enjoy going to the temple but have to wait a year now to be married in the temple.</p>
<p>I wonder if there is a church loophol if you want your non- member family to see your wedding you could get married in America and fly to a country where the church allows civil marriages followed by a temple marriage after?</p>
<p>What are your thoughts and experiences?</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Just to make it very clear that there is no advocacy on the part of MM</strong></span>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdS1u8LeJU&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/12/temple-wedding-petition/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>161</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Brother Brigham Brother Young</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/06/brother-brigham-brother-young/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/06/brother-brigham-brother-young/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[abuse]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[adultery]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostles]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[baptism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[blacks]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[burdens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Charity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[death]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[depression]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Discrimination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[eternity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[excommunication]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[media]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[obedience]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ordinances]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[polygamy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Priesthood]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[race]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[repentance]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tesimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Utah]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[women]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8449</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Recently I drove up Little Cottonwood Canyon with my brother and nephew.  This is the canyon in which many of your ancestors pulled out  the granite for the construction of the salt lake temple. As soon as we passed the granite facings on the side of the canyon my nephew played a song on his iPod by Corb Lund Brother Brigham Brother Young and it brought mental flashes into my mind of men working on the side of the mountain blasting granite out of it.    It made me think of the struggles that men and women had even back then with the faith in many ways very similar to our day. From what I have read Mr Lund isn&#8217;t LDS but has relatives that are. Im assuming one of his relatives is a historian buff? Its probably safe to presume this song will never be played in a chapel but I can&#8217;t help liking it!  You can listen to his song Here Brother Brigham Brother Young music and lyrics by Corb Lund I have sinned so gravely Brother Brigham, Brother Young I have sinned so gravely Brother Young That only you can save me Brother Brigham, Brother Young That only [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-8451" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/corb-lund1.bmp" alt="corb lund" width="168" height="253" />Recently I drove up Little Cottonwood  Canyon with my brother and nephew.  This is the canyon in which many of your ancestors pulled out  the granite for the construction of the salt lake temple. As soon as we passed the granite facings on the side of the canyon my nephew played a song on his iPod by Corb Lund Brother Brigham Brother Young and it brought mental flashes into my mind of men working on the side of the mountain blasting granite out of it.    It made me think of the struggles that men and women had even back then with the faith in many ways very similar to our day. From what I have read Mr Lund isn&#8217;t LDS but has relatives that are. Im assuming one of his relatives is a historian buff? Its probably safe to presume this song will never be played in a chapel <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  but I can&#8217;t help liking it!  You can listen to his song <a href="http://www.last.fm/music/Corb+Lund/_/Brother+Brigham,+Brother+Young">Here<span id="more-8449"></span></a></strong></p>
<p><strong>Brother Brigham Brother Young</strong></p>
<p>music and lyrics by Corb Lund</p>
<p>I have sinned so gravely Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
I have sinned so gravely Brother Young<br />
That only you can save me Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
That only you can save me Brother Young</p>
<p>I have revealed the temples secrets Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
The temple garments, oaths and secrets Brother Young<br />
I have apostatized and doubted Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
And borne my testimony falsely Brother Young</p>
<p>And I have loved a woman Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
A woman in adultery Brother Young<br />
I have also wed a negress Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
My fifth wife has some color Brigham Young</p>
<p>I now see that you&#8217;re a prophet Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
A living, breathing prophet Brother Young<br />
And now I believe the revelations Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
I now believe your revelations, every one</p>
<p>Even the ones beyond all reason Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
Even the ones beyond all reason Brother Young<br />
For you&#8217;re the Lord&#8217;s own earthly prophet Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
And he’s simply testing in our faith o Brigham Young</p>
<p>My only hope for exaltation Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
My only chance for exaltation Brother Young<br />
Is to send me o&#8217;er the rim of the basin Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
The rim of the Great Salt Lake Basin Brother Young</p>
<p>For water cannot save me Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
Baptismal water cannot save me Brigham Young<br />
My sins are just too deep a dye o Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
My sins are just too deep a stain o Brother Young</p>
<p>So send Avenging Angels Brother Brigham, Brother Young<br />
Won&#8217;t you send Destroying Danites Brother Young<br />
To spill my blood upon the earth o Brother Brigham, Brother Young</p>
<p>So what do you think?</p>
<p>Do you find the song offensive?</p>
<p>Is it historicaly accurate of what may have happened to some of the saints in the salt lake valley?</p>
<p>Does it bare some similarites to what we have gone through in our day or not?</p>
<p><strong><br />
</strong></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/06/brother-brigham-brother-young/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>6</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Peruvian Setting for the Book of Mormon</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/03/peruvian-setting-for-the-book-of-mormon/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/03/peruvian-setting-for-the-book-of-mormon/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[geography]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[science]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8475</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been some time since we talked about alternative Book of Mormon geography theories.  For those new to the site, you may want to see some of these other theories I mentioned:  Malay, and South America. From time to time, I get an email from George Potter.  He has a website called the Nephi Project.  I heard him speak a few years ago on research he has done in Yemen.  His research is pretty well-respected, and it appears he has a very good candidate for Nephi&#8217;s Harbor, and he may have found the River Laman in Saudi Arabia that is mentioned by Lehi in the Book of Mormon.  (I really need to write a review of his and another researcher&#8217;s work&#8211;they are really good.)  Potter thinks that Lehi and his family followed the frankincense trail to Yemen before setting sail for the New World. George has recently shifted his focus from the Old World to the New World.  George is a proponent that the Book of Mormon lands are in Peru.  His latest newsletter dated Oct 13, 2009, says, 10 Reasons Why the Book of Mormon Took Place in Peru By George Potter My new book, Nephi in the Promised [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been some time since we talked about alternative Book of Mormon geography theories.  For those new to the site, you may want to see some of these other theories I mentioned:  <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/">Malay</a>, and <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/01/a-south-american-setting-for-book-of-mormon/">South America</a>.</p>
<p>From time to time, I get an email from George Potter.  He has a website called <a href="http://www.nephiproject.com" target="_blank">the Nephi Project</a>.  I heard him speak a few years ago on research he has done in Yemen.  His research is pretty well-respected, and it appears he has a very good candidate for Nephi&#8217;s Harbor, and he may have found the River Laman in Saudi Arabia that is mentioned by Lehi in the Book of Mormon.  (I really need to write a review of his and another researcher&#8217;s work&#8211;they are really good.)  Potter thinks that Lehi and his family followed the frankincense trail to Yemen before setting sail for the New World.</p>
<p><span id="more-8475"></span>George has recently shifted his focus from the Old World to the New World.  George is a proponent that the Book of Mormon lands are in Peru.  His latest newsletter dated Oct 13, 2009, says,<br />
<img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>10 Reasons Why the Book of Mormon Took Place in Peru</strong></p>
<p>By George Potter</p>
<p>My new book, <em>Nephi in the Promised Land</em> is now available in the Nephi Project Discovery Store. When I started writing <em>Nephi in the Promised Land</em>, several people questioned my efforts. I heard typical comments like these: &#8220;The Book of Mormon people were the Mound Builders of North America.&#8221; &#8220;I took a cruise to Mexico, and our LDS guide showed us the ruins of Zarahemla.&#8221; While these members are sincere in their beliefs, they must either have an extremely limited knowledge of New World archaeology, or their version of the <em>Book of Mormon</em> is quite different from the one I grew up reading. Here is what my copy of the <em>Book of Mormon</em> states:</p>
<p>1.  The Book of Mormon was inscribed on metal plates.</p>
<p>2.  The Nephites mined gold and also worked copper and silver.</p>
<p><strong>3.  The Nephites made swords of steel, a derivative of iron.</strong></p>
<p>4.  The people of the <em>Book of Mormon</em> had herds of animals that could be described as sheep.</p>
<p>5.  They also had animals that were described as horses.</p>
<p>6.  The Nephites had a Semitic-like language.</p>
<p>7.  The Nephites had a written language that became lost (Jacob 4:1,2).</p>
<p>8.  The Nephites and Jaredites worshipped a white god who had the form of a man.</p>
<p>9.  The Nephites had costly apparel.</p>
<p>10. The Jaredites built cities has early as the third millennium B.C.</p>
<p>These ten characteristics of the Book of Mormon people are not fringe elements of their storyline. During the next three months I will discuss, one by one, each of these elements of the <em>Book of Mormon</em> account and why they all point to Peru.</p></blockquote>
<p>The newsletter lists a few more of the reasons Potter likes Peru. I&#8217;ve previously quoted from Potter&#8217;s newsletter when he heralded an <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/">iron ore discovery</a> and <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/" target="_self">Cohen DNA</a> in Peru.  What do you think?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/03/peruvian-setting-for-the-book-of-mormon/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>21</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Did Elder Holland Denounce or Carefully Avoid the &#8220;Inspired Fiction&#8221; Theory?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/07/did-elder-holland-denounce-or-intentionally-avoid-the-inspired-fiction-theory/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/07/did-elder-holland-denounce-or-intentionally-avoid-the-inspired-fiction-theory/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apostles]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[lamanites]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Scriptural translation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=7796</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[If someone can find something in the Book of Mormon, anything that they love or respond to or find dear, I applaud that and say more power to you. That&#8217;s what I find, too. And that should not in any way discount somebody&#8217;s liking a passage here or a passage there or the whole idea of the book, but not agreeing to its origin, its divinity. . . . [W]e have many people who are members of the church who do not have some burning conviction as to its origins, who have some other feeling about it that is not as committed to foundational statements and the premises of Mormonism. But we&#8217;re not going to invite somebody out of the church over that any more than we would anything else about degrees of belief or steps of hope or steps of conviction. . . . We would say: &#8220;This is the way I see it, and this is the faith I have; this is the foundation on which I&#8217;m going forward. If I can help you work toward that I&#8217;d be glad to, but I don&#8217;t love you less; I don&#8217;t distance you more; I don&#8217;t say you&#8217;re unacceptable to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7825" title="hollandp" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hollandp-150x140.jpg" alt="hollandp" width="150" height="140" /><em>If someone can find something in the Book of Mormon, anything that they love or respond to or find dear, I applaud that and say more power to you. That&#8217;s what I find, too. And that should not in any way discount somebody&#8217;s liking a passage here or a passage there or the whole idea of the book, but not agreeing to its origin, its divinity. . . .  [W]e have many people who are members of the church who do not have some burning conviction as to its origins, who have some other feeling about it that is not as committed to foundational statements and the premises of Mormonism. But we&#8217;re not going to invite somebody out of the church over that any more than we would anything else about degrees of belief or steps of hope or steps of conviction. . . . We would say: &#8220;This is the way I see it, and this is the faith I have; this is the foundation on which I&#8217;m going forward. If I can help you work toward that I&#8217;d be glad to, but I don&#8217;t love you less; I don&#8217;t distance you more; I don&#8217;t say you&#8217;re unacceptable to me as a person or even as a Latter-day Saint if you can&#8217;t make that step or move to the beat of that drum.&#8221; . . .  We really don&#8217;t want to sound smug. We don&#8217;t want to seem uncompromising and insensitive. -Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, Mar. 6, 2006. (</em><a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html"><em>Source</em></a><em>.)</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>I testify that one cannot come to full faith in this Latter-day work and thereby find the fullest measure of peace and comfort in these our times until he or she embraces the divinity of the Book of Mormon and the Lord Jesus Christ of whom it testifies. If anyone is foolish enough or misled enough to reject 531 pages of a heretofore unknown text, teeming with literary and Semitic complexity, without honestly attempting to account for the origin of those pages somehow&#8211;especially without accounting for their powerful witness of Jesus Christ and the profound spiritual impact that witness has had on what is now tens of millions of readers&#8211;if that&#8217;s the case then such persons, elect or otherwise, have been deceived. And if they leave this Church, they must to do so by crawling over, or under, or around the Book of Mormon to make their exit.&#8221; -Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, Oct. 4, 2009.  (</em><a href="http://broadcast.lds.org/genconf/2009/10/50/GC_2009_10_503_HollandJR___eng_.wmv"><em>Source</em></a><em>.)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>When Elder Holland delivered his stinging rebuke to Book of Mormon critics in his General Conference address last Sunday, reactions ranged from <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/10/04/sunday-afternoon-general-conference-the-only-true-and-living-session-with-which-the-nacle-is-well-pleased/">&#8220;woots&#8221; and &#8220;double woots&#8221;</a> by literalist believers of the Book of Mormon, to disappointment by those who felt Elder Holland was backtracking on his prior statement that Church members who don&#8217;t believe the traditional story of its origins should <em>not</em> be considered &#8220;unacceptable . . . as a Latter-day Saint if [they] can&#8217;t make that step or move to the beat of that drum.&#8221;  However, after listening carefully to Elder Holland&#8217;s address again, I think both camps might be mistaken about what Elder Holland was intending to say, particularly with regard to the &#8220;Inspired Fiction&#8221; theory of the Book of Mormon.<span id="more-7796"></span></p>
<p><strong><em>The Inspired Fiction Theory and Its Scriptural Precedents</em></strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7832" title="jonah-whale" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/jonah-whale-150x150.jpg" alt="jonah-whale" width="150" height="150" />For those who may not be familiar with the Inspired Fiction theory, it goes something like this:  Scripture is a vehicle that teaches us divine truths through the medium of divinely-inspired stories which are oftentimes fictional. Just a few of the more obvious examples would be the parables contained in the New Testament, or the fantastic stories in the Old Testament (Noah and the Ark, Moses&#8217; divine cursing of Egypt, Jonah living three days in the belly of a whale, etc.).  These seemingly obvious examples of divinely-inspired fiction are no less important or valuable as sources of divine guidance than had they been literally true.  For example, the stories of the Prodigal Son or the Good Samaritan do not have to be based on literal historic events to have spiritual value.  Moreover, the fact that Jesus openly used fictional stories to teach timeless truths establishes an example and a pattern of God teaching his children spiritual truths through stories that are not grounded in literal, historic fact.</p>
<p>Latter-day Saint Apostles and scholars have embraced the notion that scripture may be divinely-inspired fiction.  For example, Apostle Parley P. Pratt stated that the Creation story was the equivalent of a child&#8217;s fable because humankind has not been intellectually equipped throughout the ages to understand its true origins.  (See <em>Temples of the Most High</em>.)</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7833" title="fac1" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fac1-150x150.gif" alt="fac1" width="150" height="150" />Moreover, faithful LDS scholars who have examined the surviving Egyptian papyri that were in Joseph Smith&#8217;s possession (which contain the facsimiles that appear in the Book of Abraham <a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/books/?bookid=40&amp;chapid=168">but which date from around 100 &#8211; 250 B.C. rather than from Abraham&#8217;s much earlier era</a>) have theorized that perhaps the Book of Abraham was not <em>translated</em> from Egyptian papyri even though Joseph Smith said it was, but rather, that the Book of Abraham was a divine revelation that Joseph was able to receive only after his mind was opened and prepared to receive it by examining the Egyptian papyri in his possession. (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  In other words, faithful LDS scholars hypothesize that despite Joseph&#8217;s claim that the Book of Abraham was &#8220;A Translation of some ancient Records, that have fallen into our hands from the catacombs of Egypt—The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus,&#8221; the papyrus merely served as a &#8220;catalyst&#8221; to inspire a divine revelation that was, in fact, <em>not</em> contained on the Egyptian papyri in his possession.  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  These LDS scholars feel comfortable with this possibility because, as one LDS apologetics forum explains: &#8220;Joseph used the word &#8216;<em>translation</em>&#8216; to mean several things, <em>including the process of receiving pure revelation</em>. (Joseph Smith&#8217;s revelations call his revision of the Bible a &#8220;translation&#8221; (<a style="text-decoration: none; color: #3366bb; background-image: url(http://en.fairmormon.org/wiki/skins/monobook/external.png); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 13px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background-position: 100% 50%;" title="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=D%26C+73%3A4%3B+D%26C+76%3A15%3B+D%26C+90%3A13%3B+D%26C+94%3A10%3B+D%26C+124%3A89" rel="nofollow" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=D%26C+73%3A4%3B+D%26C+76%3A15%3B+D%26C+90%3A13%3B+D%26C+94%3A10%3B+D%26C+124%3A89">D&amp;C 73:4; 76:15; 90:13; 94:10; 124</a>), even though he didn&#8217;t use any Hebrew of Greek manuscripts. Also, D&amp;C 7 is a revealed translation of a lost record written by the Apostle John.)&#8221;  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  Again, it is worth emphasizing that, according to faithful LDS apologists, Joseph Smith is known to have used the word &#8220;translation&#8221; to mean &#8220;the process of receiving pure revelation,&#8221; as opposed to literally translating words in an ancient record from one language to another.  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  Thus, faithful LDS scholars have no qualms with the possibility that Joseph may have <em>thought</em> he was producing a &#8220;translation&#8221; of an ancient record when in reality he was receiving and recording &#8220;pure revelation&#8221; that was <em>unconnected</em> to any ancient record, even when a physical object such as Egyptian papyri were present.  The overall concept is that Joseph&#8217;s revelations were divinely inspired <em>even if he didn&#8217;t completely understand the process</em> through which those revelations were received.</p>
<p><strong><em>Resistance to, and Acceptance of, the Inspired Fiction Theory</em></strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7834" title="liahona" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/liahona-150x150.jpg" alt="liahona" width="150" height="150" />When it comes to applying this same sort of theory to the Book of Mormon, however, the resistance sometimes becomes fierce.  It seems most LDS leaders and scholars are unwilling to extend this same theory to the Book of Mormon, and are deeply disturbed by any suggestion that the Book of Mormon represents anything less than an actual <em>translation</em> of Reformed Egyptian characters into English taken from an <em>actual historical record</em> written by <em>real persons </em>living anciently in the Middle East and on the American continent.  It is worth noting that this resistance to the Inspired Fiction theory persists even though LDS scholars now believe Joseph Smith and his contemporary Latter-day Saints were <em>mistaken</em> when they made many statements indicating their belief that the Book of Mormon accounts had taken place over large swaths of the North American continent.  (<a href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Brochures/Where_Did_the_Book_of_Mormon_Take_Place.pdf">Source</a>.)</p>
<p>In summary, most LDS scholars are comfortable stating that Joseph Smith did not actually <em>&#8220;translate&#8221;</em> the Book of Abraham and the Bible as that word is commonly understood, and that he was <em>mistaken</em> in thinking that the Book of Mormon accounts took place over large swaths of the North American continent (rather than a relatively small area in Guatemala and southern Mexico), but they are <em>unwilling</em> to allow for the possibility that Joseph Smith also <em>mistakenly</em> believed the Book of Mormon was a <em>translation</em> of an actual ancient record.</p>
<p>Some may ask: Why resist applying the Inspired Fiction theory to the Book of Mormon?  Why resist the idea that God inspired Joseph Smith to dictate the Book of Mormon to teach us divine truths through the medium of divinely-inspired stories that are equally fictional but no less valuable than the parables of Jesus?  Why resist the idea that Lehi, Nephi and others were divinely-inspired characters in a grand divine novel rather than real persons who actually lived in the ancient Americas?  Why resist the idea that Joseph mistakenly thought the Book of Mormon was a &#8220;translation&#8221; of an ancient record written by actual ancient prophets, similar to his mistakenly thinking he was translating the Egyptian papyri in his possession when he received the revelation that is the Book of Abraham?  In a prior interview, Elder Holland explained why he has difficulty embracing the Inspired Fiction theory:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="color: #333333;"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7837" title="Moroni_and_Joseph2" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Moroni_and_Joseph2-150x150.jpg" alt="Moroni_and_Joseph2" width="150" height="150" /><span style="color: #000000;">Now, in terms of more modern theories, there are those who say it&#8217;s more mythical literature and spiritual, and not literal. That doesn&#8217;t work for me. I don&#8217;t understand that, and I can&#8217;t go very far with that, because Joseph Smith said there were plates, and he said there was an angel. And if there weren&#8217;t plates and there wasn&#8217;t an angel, I have a bigger problem than whether the Book of Mormon is rich literature. . . . I have to go with what the prophet said about the book, about its origins, about the literalness of the plates, the literalness of the vision &#8212; and then the product speaks for itself.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re through examining the depth, the richness, the profundity, the complexity, all of the literary and historical and religious issues that go into that book. I think we&#8217;re still young at doing that. But the origins for me are the origins that the prophet Joseph said: a set of plates, given by an angel, translated by the gift and power of God. . . . (<a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html">Source</a>.)</span></p></blockquote>
<p>However, some LDS scholars, usually those whose conclusions fall outside the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; of what Church leaders and Church-funded scholars are comfortable accepting, view the Inspired Fiction theory as a favorable &#8220;middle ground&#8221; position where Latter-day Saints can continue to reverence the Book of Mormon as divinely-inspired scripture without having to believe it is an actual translation of an actual ancient record written by real people, and thereby avoiding the numerous challenges to the Book of Mormon&#8217;s historicity that currently keep a team of Church-funded scholars employed to research and respond to.   However, as LDS scholar Louis Midgley has explained, such a &#8220;middle ground&#8221; position is harmful to the Church&#8217;s tradition and interests:</p>
<blockquote><p>Some may ask: why not find a way to reduce the controversy over the Book of Mormon? What harm can such an accommodation do? The reasons for rejecting such compromises seem obvious to me. For one thing, the Book of Mormon is, more than anything else, what keeps the Church of Jesus Christ from becoming just another Protestant sect or social welfare agency. Its existence makes of Joseph Smith something other than a mere quaint or colorful example in a line of Christian primitivists or restorationists. In addition, the Book of Mormon was what witnessed to those who first became members of the fledgling Church of Christ that Joseph Smith wore the mantle of a genuine prophet, as it does to those who are currently believing and practicing Latter-day Saints. And its existence has, more than any other single thing, right from the beginning, distinguished the Latter-day Saints from various brands of Protestant sectarian religiosity. (<a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/review/?vol=6&amp;num=1&amp;id=140">Source</a>.)</p></blockquote>
<p><strong><em>Did Elder Holland Denounce or Carefully Avoid the Inspired Fiction Theory?</em></strong></p>
<p>Though it is clear that Elder Holland&#8217;s recent Conference address denounced all theories that portray Joseph Smith as having <em>knowingly</em> <em>fabricated</em> a book that he <em>knew</em> was <em>not</em> <em>divinely-inspired</em>, it is less clear to me after carefully listening to Elder Holland&#8217;s talk whether he was likewise intending to denounce the Inspired Fiction theory that portrays Joseph as receiving and dictating a <em>divinely-inspired </em>but fictional history of Israelites emigrating to and settling in ancient America as a medium for conveying spiritual truths and doctrines that promote the happiness, peace, and spiritual well-being of humankind.  As you read the portions of Elder Holland&#8217;s address quoted below, it is important to keep in mind the distinction between what Elder Holland personally believes about the Book of Mormon, and what he is comfortable allowing other faithful Latter-day Saints to believe about its origins (as we see reflected in the very first Holland quote above).  Although it is clear that Elder Holland <em>personally</em> believes the Book of Mormon is an actual translation of an actual ancient historical record, and although it is likewise clear he finds it utterly unacceptable for any Latter-day Saint to believe that Joseph Smith <em>knowingly</em>, and therefore <em>deceptively</em>, <em>fabricated</em> the Book of Mormon, ask yourself as you read Elder Holland&#8217;s remarks whether he allows for faithful Latter-day Saints to believe that the Book of Mormon was <em>divinely-inspired</em>, but that Joseph was simply <em>mistaken</em> in saying it was a translation of an actual physical historical record (as LDS scholars are willing to accept when it comes to the Book of Abraham and the Egyptian papyri Joseph Smith believed he was &#8220;translating&#8221;).   For example, when Elder Holland states that Latter-day Saints are &#8220;<em>deceived</em>&#8221; unless they believe in the &#8220;<em>divinity</em>&#8221; of the Book of Mormon, does that mean he feels Latter-day Saints are deceived if they believe it is <em>divinely-inspired</em> fiction?</p>
<p>In my view, Elder Holland selected his words very carefully, I suspect for the purpose of allowing faithful Latter-day Saints to hold a position that he personally does not share: that the Book of Mormon was <em>divinely-inspired, </em>but that Joseph did not recognize its stories as being <em>fictional</em> (again, similar to LDS apologists&#8217; theory that Joseph <em>mistakenly</em> believed the Book of Abraham was an actual translation of an actual historical record, rather than <em>knowingly lying</em> about it, and similar to LDS apologists&#8217; assertion that Joseph was <em>mistaken</em> in believing that the Book of Mormon actually took place over large swaths of North America, rather than <em>knowingly lying</em> about it).  And now, without further ado, the relevant portions of Elder Holland&#8217;s talk (as transcribed by me from the audio recording):</p>
<blockquote><p>There is one kind of latter-day destruction that has always sounded to me more personal than public, more individual than collective, a warning perhaps more applicable inside the Church than outside it.  The Savior warned in the last days, even those of the covenant, the very elect, could be deceived by the enemy of truth. . . .  [Elder Holland then identifies the Book of Mormon as a source of divine guidance in the Latter-days, summarizes Lehi's dream, focusing on the rod of iron and the mists of darkness, and relates a story of Hyrum reading a Book of Mormon passage to bring comfort to the party on their way to Carthage jail.]</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7840" title="smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD-150x150.jpg" alt="smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD" width="150" height="150" />Later, when actually incarcerated in the jail, Joseph the Prophet turned to the guards that held him captive and bore a powerful testimony of the <em>divine authenticity</em> of the Book of Mormon.  Shortly thereafter, pistol and ball would take the lives of these two testators. As one of a thousand elements of my own testimony of the <em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon, I submit this as yet one more evidence of its <em>truthfulness</em>.  In this their greatest and last hour of need, I ask you, would these men blaspheme before God by continuing to fix their lives, their honor, and their own search for eternal salvation on a book, and by implication a church and a ministry, they had fictitiously created out of whole cloth?!  . . . [A]nd tell me, whether in this hour of death, these two men would enter the presence of their eternal judge, quoting from, and finding solace in, a book which if not the very <em>word of God</em> would brand them as impostors and charlatans until the end of time.  They would not do that!   They were willing to die, rather than deny the <em>divine origin</em> and the <em>eternal truthfulness</em> of the Book of Mormon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Elder Holland&#8217;s choice of words above is interesting.  A Latter-day Saint who believes the Book of Mormon represents divinely-inspired fiction would whole-heartedly agree with his remarks about the Book of Mormon&#8217;s &#8220;divine authenticity,&#8221; &#8220;divinity,&#8221; &#8220;truthfulness,&#8221; &#8220;divine origin,&#8221; and &#8220;eternal truthfulness,&#8221; in the same way he or she would embrace the &#8220;divine authenticity&#8221; and &#8220;divine origin&#8221; and &#8220;eternal truthfulness&#8221; of Jesus&#8217; parables or any number of the fantastic stories in the Old Testatment.  Moreover, when Elder Holland uses the word &#8220;fictitiously&#8221; above, it&#8217;s seems he almost certainly means that Joseph would not have <em>knowingly</em> fictitiously created the Book of Mormon, as opposed to his receiving a divine revelation that he did not <em>recognize</em> as being a fictional spiritual history (again, in the same way LDS apologists hypothesize with regard to the Book of Abraham).  This line of thought continues in the next paragraph, where he denounces the various theories that portray Joseph as <em>knowingly</em> plagiarizing from other works to create the Book of Mormon, or <em>knowingly</em> fabricating it out of whole cloth:</p>
<blockquote><p>Failed theories about its origins have been born, parroted, and died.  From Ethan Smith to Solomon Spaulding, to deranged paranoid to cunning genius.  None of these frankly pathetic answers for this book has ever withstood examination because there is no other answer than the one Joseph gave as its young, unlearned translator. . .  .  &#8220;No wicked man could write such a book as this, and no good man would write it, unless it were true, and he were commanded of God to do so.&#8221;   I testify that one cannot come to full faith in this Latter-day work and thereby find the fullest measure of peace and comfort in these our times until he or she <em>embraces the </em><em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon and the Lord Jesus Christ of whom it testifies.  If anyone is foolish enough or misled enough to reject 531 pages of a heretofore unknown text, teeming with literary and Semitic complexity, without honestly attempting to account for the origin of those pages somehow&#8211;especially without accounting for their powerful witness of Jesus Christ and the profound spiritual impact that witness has had on what is now tens of millions of readers&#8211;if that&#8217;s the case then such persons, elect or otherwise, have been <em>deceived</em>.  And if they leave this Church, they must to do so by crawling over, or under, or around the Book of Mormon to make their exit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, I do not see anything here that should cause Latter-day Saints who ascribe to the Inspired Fiction theory of the Book of Mormon&#8217;s origins to feel as if they&#8217;ve been pronounced &#8220;deceived&#8221; by Elder Holland.  While he obviously sees &#8220;Semitic complexity&#8221; in the Book of Mormon, which he plainly relies upon to support his personal view that it represents literal history, he does so in the context of denouncing those those who deny the Book of Mormon&#8217;s <em>divinity</em>.  Of course, those who ascribe to the Inspired Fiction are in full agreement with Elder Holland about the <em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon, and could further believe that any genuine &#8220;Semitic complexity&#8221; within its pages was <em>divinely-inspired</em> as well.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7829" title="2009_gardner_02" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/2009_gardner_02-150x150.jpg" alt="2009_gardner_02" width="150" height="150" />Elder Holland then cited as support for his position that witnesses to the Gold Plates, some of whom were later sometimes hostile to Joseph, testified to their death that they had seen an angel and had handled the Gold Plates by the power of God and not the power of man.  Thus, Elder Holland plainly believes in the literal existence of Gold Plates, and views them as being the source material for the Book of Mormon, along with &#8220;gift and power of God&#8221; to translate them.  However, there is no plain denunciation of those who believe the Gold Plates could have been an angelically-provided object that served as a catalyst to open and prepare Joseph&#8217;s mind to receive the Book of Mormon through revelation, in the same way that LDS apologists posit Joseph received the &#8220;pure revelation&#8221; of the Book of Abraham after examining the catalyst to that revelation, namely, the Egyptian papyri in his possession.  Moreover, this would explain the accounts where Joseph &#8220;translated&#8221; the Book of Mormon while he gazed into a seer stone placed in his hat, rather than by reading from the characters on the Gold Plates.  (<a href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2009_Joseph_the_Seer.html">Source</a>.)</p>
<p>Elder Holland continues:</p>
<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7841" title="FribergMormonFarewell" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/FribergMormonFarewell-150x150.jpg" alt="FribergMormonFarewell" width="150" height="150" />Now, I did not sail with the brother of Jared . . .  . I did not hear King Benjamin speak his angelically-delivered sermon.  I did not proselyte with Alma and Amulek . . . .  I was not among the Nephite crowd who touched the wounds of the resurrected Lord, nor did I weep with Mormon and Moroni over the destruction of an entire civilization.   But my testimony of this record and the peace it brings to the human heart is as binding and unequivocal as was theirs.  Like them, I give my name unto the world to witness unto the world of that which I have seen, and like them, I lie not,  God bearing witness of it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose one could read the quote above cynically to mean that Elder Holland said he didn&#8217;t do any of these things because they never actually happened, but I don&#8217;t believe for a second that was his intended meaning.  It seems this passage again demonstrates Elder Holland&#8217;s belief that these were actual historic events.  But is that the equivalent of saying that those Latter-day Saints who do not share that belief are <em>&#8220;deceived&#8221;? </em>I personally don&#8217;t think so, because when he referred to Latter-day Saints being &#8220;deceived&#8221; about the Book of Mormon earlier in his remarks, he did so in the context of identifying those who deny the Book of Mormon&#8217;s <em>divinity.</em> Moreover, if at any point in his talk Elder Holland intended to say that faithful Latter-day Saints <em>must</em> believe the Book of Mormon is a <em>literal historical account of real people</em>, he could easily have just said so.  For example, he could have easily testified to the Book of Mormon&#8217;s &#8220;historical truthfulness&#8221; or &#8220;historical authenticity&#8221; but instead, he chose to testify of its &#8220;<em>divinity</em>&#8221; and &#8220;<em>eternal truthfulness</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Elder Holland concluded with his personal testimony of the Book of Mormon:</p>
<blockquote><p>I want it absolutely clear when I stand before the judgment bar of God that I declared to the world in the most straightforward language I can summon, that the Book of Mormon is <em>true</em>, that <em>it came forth the way Joseph said it came forth</em>, and was given to bring happiness and hope to the faithful in the travail of the last days.  My witness echoes that of Nephi, who wrote part of the book in his last days, &#8220;hearken unto <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span> and <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span>; and <span class="searchword">if</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> not <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span>.  And <span class="searchword">if</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> <span class="searchword">shall</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> will <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span>, for they are the <span class="searchword">words</span> of <span class="searchword">Christ</span>, . . . and they teach all men that they should do good.  And <span class="searchword">if</span> they are not the <span class="searchword">words</span> of <span class="searchword">Christ</span>, judge <span class="searchword">ye</span>—for <span class="searchword">Christ</span> will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his <span class="searchword">words</span>, at the last day.</p>
<p>Remember this declaration by Jesus himself: &#8220;Whoso treasureth up my word shall not be decieved.&#8221; And in the last days, neither your heart nor faith will fail you.   Of this I earnestly testify, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen</p></blockquote>
<p>Once again, a Latter-day Saint who ascribes to the Inspired Fiction theory would have no problem echoing Elder Holland&#8217;s testimony that the Book of Mormon is &#8220;true&#8221; any more than the average LDS apologist would bristle at the suggestion that that the parables of Jesus, or the Book of Abraham or the Joseph Smith&#8221;translation&#8221; of the Bible, are &#8220;true&#8221;&#8211;even though those are all recognized by LDS apologists as potentially being divinely-inspired fiction and not literal translations of actual historical records in Joseph&#8217;s possession.</p>
<p>Finally, I can&#8217;t help noting what I feel must have been carefully chosen wording by Elder Holland in saying that the Book of Mormon &#8220;came forth the way Joseph said it came forth.&#8221;  This language struck me because it reminded me of a passage in an official Church text book used in CES Institute and BYU Religion classes, <em>Church History in the Fullness of Times</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7842" title="Translating" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Translating-150x150.jpg" alt="Translating" width="150" height="150" /><em>Little is known</em> about the actual process of translating the record, primarily because <em>those who knew the most about the translation, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, said the least about it</em>.  Moreover, Martin Harris, David Whitmer, and Emma Smith, who assisted Joseph, left no contemporary descriptions.  The sketchy accounts they recorded much later in life were often contradictory.</p>
<p>The Prophet was <em>reluctant to give the details about the translation</em>.  In a Church conference held 25-26 October 1831 in Orange, Ohio, Hyrum requested that a firsthand account of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon be given.  But the Prophet said, &#8220;It was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.&#8221;  Joseph explained in an open letter to a newspaper editor in 1833 the heart of the matter, but he gave few particulars, stating that the Book of Mormon was &#8220;found through the ministration of an holy angel, and translated into our own language by the gift and power of God.&#8221;  (Church History in the Fullness of Times, p. 58, Church Education System, 1993.)</p></blockquote>
<p>This passage raises some interesting questions:  Why did Joseph and Oliver say so little about the method of translation of the Book of Mormon?  Why was Joseph Smith &#8220;reluctant to give the details about the translation&#8221;?  When Joseph Smith&#8217;s own brother Hyrum, who obviously believed in the Book of Mormon, asked Joseph to give a firsthand account of its coming forth to a Church conference, why did Joseph answer that &#8220;[i]t was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon&#8221;?  Why did Joseph stick to generalities about the Book of Mormon being translated &#8220;by the gift and power of God&#8221;?</p>
<p>Elder Holland&#8217;s fervent testimony that the Book of Mormon &#8220;came forth in the way Joseph said it came forth&#8221; takes on an interesting meaning when examined in the context of these statements.  It seems he too was testifying, in general terms, that the Book of Mormon came forth &#8220;by the gift and power of God,&#8221; which is a statement that adherents to the Inspired Fiction theory can fully agree with.</p>
<p>So what do you think?  Did Elder Holland intend to denounce the Inspired Fiction theory along with all other non-traditional theories about its orgins, or did he, consistent with his words in the first quote above, intentionally and carefully avoid it to provide room within the Church for those for whom the Inspired Fiction theory serves as a lifeline that keeps them tethered to the Church?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/07/did-elder-holland-denounce-or-intentionally-avoid-the-inspired-fiction-theory/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>257</slash:comments>
			<enclosure url="http://broadcast.lds.org/genconf/2009/10/50/GC_2009_10_503_HollandJR___eng_.wmv" length="39337712" type="video/x-ms-wmv" />
	</item>
		<item>
		<title>Scripture Inerrancy, Literalism, and Pres Veazey</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/08/29/scripture-inerrancy-literalism-and-pres-veazey/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/08/29/scripture-inerrancy-literalism-and-pres-veazey/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[community of christ]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=6947</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[There are those (especially among Evangelicals) who believe that the Bible is inerrant and literal.  For example a scriptural literalist will claim that Noah&#8217;s flood covered the entire earth.  A non-literalist may say that the flood was merely a large localized flood. Pres. Stephen Veazey is the prophet for the Community of Christ, and he gave a sermon on scriptural literalism.  The videos can be found on the CoC website, and this quote comes from Chapter 4.  Let me quote from Pres. Veazey directly: Scripture is authoritative, not because it is perfect, or inerrant in every literal detail, but because it reliably keeps us grounded in God&#8217;s revelation.  And here is the heart of our challenge:  over the last several centuries, a doctrine of scripture emerged in Christianity that insists that all scripture, every single word, was directly dictated by God, and is inerrant in every detail.  This belief emerged as a response to the questioning of religious authority from those who held that human reason alone was the most reliable pathway to truth.  So a doctrine of scripture emerged that enshrined the literal words of scripture as inerrant and as the sole authority on all matters. This view still [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_6948" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 160px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-6948" href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/08/29/scripture-inerrancy-literalism-and-pres-veazey/veazey-steve/"><img class="size-full wp-image-6948" title="Pres. Steve Veazey" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Veazey-Steve.jpg" alt="Prophet/President, Community of Christ" width="150" height="188" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Prophet/President, Community of Christ</p></div>
<p>There are those (especially among Evangelicals) who believe that the Bible is inerrant and literal.  For example a scriptural literalist will claim that Noah&#8217;s flood covered the entire earth.  A non-literalist may say that the flood was merely a large localized flood.</p>
<p>Pres. Stephen Veazey is the prophet for the Community of Christ, and he gave a sermon on scriptural literalism.  The videos can be found on the CoC website, and this quote comes from <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/presidency/AprilAddress/april0509/resources.asp">Chapter 4</a>.  Let me quote from Pres. Veazey directly:<img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-6947"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>Scripture is authoritative, not because it is perfect, or inerrant in every literal detail, but because it reliably keeps us grounded in God&#8217;s revelation.  And here is the heart of our challenge:  over the last several centuries, <strong>a doctrine of scripture emerged in Christianity that insists that all scripture, every single word, was directly dictated by God, and is inerrant in every detail</strong>.  This belief emerged as a response to the questioning of religious authority from those who held that human reason alone was the most reliable pathway to truth.  So a doctrine of scripture emerged that enshrined the literal words of scripture as inerrant and as the sole authority on all matters.</p>
<p>This view still dominates much of global Christianity today.  It also strongly influences more than a few members of the Community of Christ who have adopted it from the larger religious culture.  However, that doctrine, that view of scripture is not how scripture was understood in Christianity since its birth.  It&#8217;s not how Jesus Christ used and viewed scripture.  And it is not how the community of Christ officially views scripture today.</p>
<p>The church affirms that scripture is inspired, indispensable, essential to our knowledge of God, and the Gospel.  In addition, we believe that scripture should be interpreted responsibly, through informed study, guided by the Holy Spirit working in and through the church.  Scripture was formed by the community of faith to shape the community of faith, therefore, interpreting scripture is the constant work of the faith community.  Community of Christ also stresses, that all scripture must be interpreted through the lens of God&#8217;s most decisive revelation in Jesus Christ</p>
<p>So if portions of scripture don&#8217;t agree with our fullest understanding, of the meaning of the revelation of God in Christ, as illuminated by the Holy Spirit, and discerned by the faith community, the teachings and vision of Christ take precedence.  This principle applies to all of our books of Scripture, especially any passages by some to categorically assign to God&#8217;s disfavor, or negative characteristics, or secondary roles to others.</p>
<p>This is why our belief in continuing revelation is so important.  This belief keeps us open to yet more light and truth so we can grow and understand of God&#8217;s supreme will as revealed in Jesus Christ.  Doctrine and Covenants 163:70 states, &#8220;Scripture, prophetic guidance, knowledge and discernment must walk hand in hand to reveal the true will of God.&#8221;  Follow this pathway, which is the way of the living Christ, and you will discover more than sufficient light for the journey ahead.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I find tremendous agreement with the CoC position.  What are your thoughts?  Do you lean for or against scriptural literalism?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/08/29/scripture-inerrancy-literalism-and-pres-veazey/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>170</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>What if Christ&#8217;s Bones Were Found?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/09/what-if-christs-bones-were-found/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/09/what-if-christs-bones-were-found/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[christ]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[death]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[inter-faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Resurrection]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=6114</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t know why, but I love to learn about archaeology, especially religious archaeology.  A few years ago, Simcha Jacobovici came out with a documentary and book called The Jesus Tomb.  In it, he makes a claim that the bones of Jesus may have been located in a tomb unearthed in Jerusalem.  Of course, the Da Vinci Code, while fiction, makes a claim that Jesus and his wife, Mary Magdalene were actually buried in France.  A few months ago, I watched a documentary called Bloodline, which actually goes further, and makes the case that yes, indeed, the bones of Christ and Mary are found in France.  (You can learn more at the official website.)  I just came across a third source, which claims that Christ&#8217;s bones are actually located in India.  See this website. (If you want a review of these 3, click here.)  So, with Christ being resurrected, Christians would obviously find these 3 sources as problematic.  If Christ was really resurrected, there should be no bones, right?  I must say I was really intrigued by Simcha Jacobovici&#8217;s position.  Simcha is a Jew, and said that if the bones were really discovered, then it would actually give credibility to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why, but I love to learn about archaeology, especially religious archaeology.  A few years ago, Simcha Jacobovici came out with a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Tomb-Jesus/dp/B000OHZJSC">documentary</a> and book called <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/190675.The_Jesus_Family_Tomb_The_Discovery_the_Investigation_and_the_Evidence_That_Could_Change_History">The Jesus Tomb</a>.  In it, he makes a claim that the bones of Jesus may have been located in a tomb unearthed in Jerusalem.  Of course, the <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/968.The_Da_Vinci_Code">Da Vinci Code</a>, while fiction, makes a claim that Jesus and his wife, Mary Magdalene were actually buried in France.  A few months ago, I watched a documentary called Bloodline, which actually goes further, and makes the case that yes, indeed, the bones of Christ and Mary are found in France.  (You can learn more at the <a href="http://www.bloodline-themovie.com/">official website</a>.)  I just came across a third source, which claims that Christ&#8217;s bones are actually located in India.  See <a href="http://www.tombofjesus.com/2007/india/lost_tribes.html">this website</a>.</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-6114"></span>(If you want a review of these 3, <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/05/what-if-christs-bones-were-found/">click here</a>.)  So, with Christ being resurrected, Christians would obviously find these 3 sources as problematic.  If Christ was really resurrected, there should be no bones, right?  I must say I was really intrigued by Simcha Jacobovici&#8217;s position.  Simcha is a Jew, and said that if the bones were really discovered, then it would actually give credibility to Christianity, because it would in fact give proof that Jesus was an actual person.  (Of course, there are many who claim Jesus never existed, citing lack of evidence.)</p>
<p>So, it got me thinking.  Obviously, all 3 can&#8217;t be right.  But what if one of them is right?  Critics of Christianity would loudly trumpet the fact that the resurrection couldn&#8217;t have happened if the bones were found.  They already make claims that say this discovery &#8220;would shake the foundations of Christianity&#8221;, seeming to imply that Christianity would somehow disappear.  But would it really disappear?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.  Let&#8217;s assume for sake of argument that one of these positions was scientifically proved correct&#8211;Jesus bones have been positively found.  Now, while I am sure it would cause much re-evaluation among Christians, I do not believe Christianity would vanish.  I suspect that many Christians would have to re-evaluate the resurrection.  Here&#8217;s some possible scenarios that I see happening.</p>
<p>(1)  The resurrection is actually not a physical resurrection.  I believe many people already believe this.  When we look at it, it&#8217;s a little tough to reconcile with the scriptures, because Jesus ate fish and honey after his resurrection.  &#8220;Touch me&#8221; was his reply&#8211;so it does seem to be a fact that he was physically resurrected.  But perhaps this physical resurrection would only apply to him, and not us?</p>
<p>(2)  Perhaps there was some sort of stem-cell/cloning technique for the resurrection.  Perhaps Jesus &#8220;corruptible&#8221; body is on the earth, but his new &#8220;celestial&#8221; body looks/feels the same, but is basically a perfected clone of his human body.</p>
<p>(3)  Perhaps the resurrection is not important at all.  Perhaps the Gnostics had it right, and the body is not needed in heaven.  Perhaps, Jesus true purpose is not the resurrection, but rather his purpose was to teach spiritual truths.  In this scenario, the resurrection is meaningless, and Christ&#8217;s atonement and teachings are what really matters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are other options.  Can you think of some?  If Christ&#8217;s bones were truly found, would it really spell the end of Christianity, as skeptics claim?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/07/09/what-if-christs-bones-were-found/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>39</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Japanese: A Modern Case for Reformed Egyptian</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/27/japanese-a-modern-case-for-reformed-egyptian/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/27/japanese-a-modern-case-for-reformed-egyptian/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[restoration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Scriptural translation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[smith]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=6031</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[One of the common complaints about and arguments against the Book of Mormon is the claim that it was written in &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; &#8211; a unique and obsolete language that was peculiar to the Nephites and could not be read by anyone else.  There have been many things written about this issue over the years, some of which are merely skeptical and more of which are mocking.  One of the common themes has been, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s convenient.  There&#8217;s no way to check any language for accuracy and veracity.  Great con scheme.&#8221;  What the people who wrote these things in the past and say them now didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t realize is that there is a modern example of exactly such a language &#8211; one that is unique to its own people and, in many instances, cannot be read even by those from whom its written foundation was taken.  That example is modern Japanese.  First, Mormon 9:32 is the only verse in the Book of Mormon that includes the actual phrase &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It says: And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the common complaints about and arguments against the Book of Mormon is the claim that it was written in &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; &#8211; a unique and obsolete language that was peculiar to the Nephites and could not be read by anyone else.  There have been many things written about this issue over the years, some of which are merely skeptical and more of which are mocking.  One of the common themes has been, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s convenient.  There&#8217;s no way to check any language for accuracy and veracity.  Great con scheme.&#8221;  What the people who wrote these things in the past and say them now didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t realize is that there is a modern example of exactly such a language &#8211; one that is unique to its own people and, in many instances, cannot be read even by those from whom its written foundation was taken. </p>
<p>That example is modern Japanese. <span id="more-6031"></span></p>
<p>First, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/morm/9/32#32">Mormon 9:32 </a>is the only verse in the Book of Mormon that includes the actual phrase &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It says:</p>
<blockquote><p>And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the <span>reformed</span> <span>Egyptian</span>, <strong>being handed down and altered by us, **according to our manner of speech**.</strong> </p></blockquote>
<p>There are two other verses that mention the Egyptian language &#8211; <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1/2#2">1 Nephi 1:2</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/1/4#4">Mosiah 1:4</a>.  They read, respectively:</p>
<blockquote><p>I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the <span>Egyptians</span>. </p>
<p>and</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>For it were not possible that our father, Lehi, could have remembered all these things, to have taught them to his children, except it were for the help of these plates; for he having been taught in the language of the <span>Egyptians</span> therefore he could read these engravings, and teach them to his children, that thereby they could teach them to their children, and so fulfilling the commandments of God, even down to this present time.</p></blockquote>
<p>The premise of these passages is that Lehi read Egyptian and used the hieroglyphs as the basis of the written language that was used in engraving the record he kept on the large plates (and which he taught to Nephi, at least, so he could continue the record) &#8211; but that, over time, those hieroglyphs were modified from their original forms to become a unique written language called &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It also is apparent that Lehi&#8217;s children did not read Egyptian naturally &#8211; that Lehi had to &#8220;teach them to his children&#8221; and have them &#8220;teach them to their children&#8221;.  It has been argued that this written language was reserved for the sacred and historical records &#8211; that it was not the &#8220;common written language&#8221; of the people, if there even was such a common language.  Given the numerous statements in the Book of Mormon about the need to write in a condensed form due to the size of the plates, this makes perfect sense &#8211; as does the practice of passing them down along bloodlines (inlcuding &#8220;non-prophets&#8221; at the end of the small plates, particularly in the Book of Omni), then ruling lines, then prophetic lines.  This practice is common throughout history with written records, since the vast majority of people were illiterate, but it plays a particular role in the formation of a &#8220;new&#8221; language, <strong>as it emphasizes the driving force behind the on-going modification of the language - the need to conserve space on plates that were difficult to make and, at the beginning especially, limited in total space.  Thus, the written language of the records was continually &#8220;altered by us&#8221; over time. </strong></p>
<p>Now, to Japanese:</p>
<p>There are many good descriptions of the Japanese writing system, but Wikipedia contains one of the simplest.  The entry for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_writing_system">&#8220;Japanese Writing System&#8221;</a> includes a very good intorduction to the multiple &#8220;scripts&#8221; used in written Japanese.  In summary, there are three main scripts: &#8220;Kanji&#8221; &#8211; Chinese symbols that provide the foundation for the <strong>MEANING</strong> of words, pronounced totally differently than their Chinese pronunciation; &#8220;hiragana&#8221; &#8211; native Japanese alphabetic symbols that match to the spoken language, are syllabic in nature (each symbol represents a syllable, rather than an individual sound ["phonene"] as in English) and provide the necessary &#8220;fillers&#8221; (articles, conjunctions, conjugators, etc.) necessary to bridge between the kanji and spoken Japanese; and &#8220;katakana&#8221; &#8211; a modified form of hiragana used to designate the use of foreign words not found in native Japanese.  Also, in the last decades, &#8220;romaji&#8221; (Romanized spelling, where an American could read the standard English alphabet and pronounce the words as they would sound in Japanese) has been included.  Thus, modern Japanese is a combination of four separate &#8220;scripts&#8221;.  (There is an excellent, side-by-side chart with some examples of how one word could be written in all four scripts in the Wikipedia article.  Only one form, the original kanji, would be understood by a Chinese reader.) </p>
<p>What makes this fascinating in conjunction with &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; is not just that a new, unique language has been created, but that many modern Japanese kanji (the characters that were borrowed from Chinese) often cannot be recognized or read fluently by Chinese who have not studied them.  Over time, many of the most complex kanji have been altered significantly &#8211; always as simplifications of the former symbols, removing &#8220;strokes&#8221; from the original to make it easier to learn, less time consuming to write and easier to teach to children.  Furthermore, since spoken Chinese and Japanese are as different as spoken Japanese and English, the inclusion of hiragana and katakana further complicates the process of reading Japanese for those Chinese who have not studied it.  Most can get a good or general feel for the meaning of sentences that are strictly comprised of kanji and hiragana, since the kanji still match and convey <strong>MEANING</strong> (not pronunciation), but when more of the simplified kanji are included, along with katakana and words spelled entirely in hiragana, it becomes much more difficult for Chinese people to understand written Japanese.  (As I just said, untrained Chinese can&#8217;t understand spoken Japanese at all, so a Japanese could be reading something to a Chinese that the Chinese could understand if she read it &#8211; and the Chinese would not be able to understand what the Japanese was saying.) </p>
<p>In Book of Mormon terminology, modern written Japanese is &#8220;Reformed Chinese&#8221; &#8211; in <strong>EVERY</strong> sense that the term &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; is used in the Book of Mormon, right down to a complex hieroglyphic system being co-opted for meaning rather than pronunciation, that hieroglyphic system being simplified over time to make it easier to write and teach, and, perhaps, eventually being assimilated into some other script(s) and becoming nearly unreadable and &#8220;foreign&#8221; to those trained in the original hieroglyphic system. </p>
<p>There is no indication that Joseph, Emma, Oliver, Sydney or any of those who were prominent in the early history of the Book of Mormon were knowlegable to any degree of Japanese &#8211; <strong>and, in fact, many of the most radical transformations of written Japanese have occurred AFTER the publication of the Book of Mormon</strong>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/27/japanese-a-modern-case-for-reformed-egyptian/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>49</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Trying to Understand My Friends Who Didn&#8217;t Leave the Faith</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/09/trying-to-understand-my-friends-who-didnt-leave-the-faith/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/09/trying-to-understand-my-friends-who-didnt-leave-the-faith/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[books]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[restoration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=5580</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Here is a modified excerpt from a 60-page writing that I made for close friends and family members when I decided to leave the church a few months ago. It was my attempt at helping them understand my view. I think most of them didn&#8217;t bother reading it. I wasn&#8217;t looking forward to the conversations that I would be having with them, but I was surprised to find myself not having those conversations. Today&#8217;s guest post is by Michael. In the spirit of Mormon Stories, he was invited to share his experience. I thought the people that believed in the church and loved me most in the would have at least tried to &#8220;save my soul.&#8221; I would have done it for them, had the roles been reversed. Although, it would have led me to the place where I am now, which may be the underlying (perhaps subconscious) reason why they don&#8217;t wish to go there. &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; If someone told me three years ago that I would be where I am now, I would have never believed them. And yet, here I am. A few years ago, I decided that I should probably learn more about church history. Not out [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a modified excerpt from a 60-page writing that I made for close friends and family members when I decided to leave the church a few months ago. It was my attempt at helping them understand my view. I think most of them didn&#8217;t bother reading it. I wasn&#8217;t looking forward to the conversations that I would be having with them, but I was surprised to find myself not having those conversations.</p>
<p><em><strong>Today&#8217;s guest post is by Michael. In the spirit of Mormon Stories, he was invited to share his experience.</strong><span id="more-5580"></span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">I thought the people that believed in the church and loved me most in the would have at least tried to &#8220;save my soul.&#8221; I would have done it for them, had the roles been reversed. Although, it would have led me to the place where I am now, which may be the underlying (perhaps subconscious) reason why they don&#8217;t wish to go there.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">If someone told me three years ago that I would be where I am now, I would have never believed them. And yet, here I am. A few years ago, I decided that I should probably learn more about church history. Not out of pure interest, but more out of duty. I heard that the book &#8220;Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling&#8221; was written by a member of the church, but didn&#8217;t give the usual sanitized version of history that is given in Sunday School. I was intrigued.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">I read the book. It was slow going, but I finished it. More than any of the strange practices or weird events, the thing that bugged me the most was Joseph Smith himself. I couldn&#8217;t place it at first, but I soon realized that I didn&#8217;t really like Joseph as a person. I felt kind of guilty about that because we have been raised, and it has been ingrained in us, to love Joseph and the other men of the restoration. My feelings of guilt were lessened a bit when I found out that I was definitely not the only one that felt that way. There were many others in the church that felt the same way. In fact, my dad bought a video that features a question and answer session with the author and even he admits that, by the time he was done with his research and writing, he did not like Joseph Smith either. </span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">When I finished with the book, it made me wonder: Maybe there was a reason why things were not sitting right with me and others. The Joseph we had been taught about growing up was not the real Joseph, so who was. Also, I wondered: If this book was written by a member, then how much of a positive slant is he putting on things? That&#8217;s when my journey really began. There are so many differing and conflicting accounts out there that I sometimes felt like a detective, trying to piece together what most made sense to me.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">As I said above, I went searching into church history as a kind of church duty. I felt that I ought to take a look into it. I thought that I would search things out and find that history would vindicate the church and the prophet. I believed (and believe) that the truth does not fear investigation and the facts would be overwhelmingly in favor of the church. I found the opposite to be the case. This mostly surprised me because of my father.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">He is well versed in church history, and I think I trusted heavily in his ability to interpret events. Sometimes, when I would find out something new, I would ask him, &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t this bother you?!?&#8221; He wouldn&#8217;t answer. At times I wondered why I was the only one who was bothered by some of the things I was finding. I wondered if I was the only crazy one or the only one who wasn&#8217;t. I couldn&#8217;t understand why, when I showed them a claim of the church or Joseph Smith and then showed them how that claim was in fact false, they didn&#8217;t seem to care. Well, I found out some interesting things related to that. Although most of the close people around me did not seem to want to face any of this stuff, I found out that I was not alone. Besides a number of people that I know that don&#8217;t believe, but are hanging on for various other reasons (family, friends, structure, etc.), there are many, many people leaving the church every year. It always helps a person fell less crazy when you know there are others making hard decisions like you.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">The other thing that made me understand the situation better, was something told to me by a friend. I mentioned to him that I could not understand why these things bugged me and no one else seemed to care. He said, &#8220;Ok, tell me something that bugs you.&#8221; So for the 20th time or so, I mentioned that Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Abraham from Egyptian papyri. A decade after Joseph died, the Egyptian language was deciphered from the Rosetta Stone. Reading the papyri, it does not say what Joseph claims it said. When I gave him that one example, he went on to say that most people don&#8217;t think as much as I do, so they don&#8217;t let it bother them. Adding to that, he said, &#8220;Plus, it&#8217;s the Book of Abraham. Who cares about the Book of Abraham?&#8221; And then he ended, mentioning that some people will stay in for the sake of loyalty&#8211;they are Mormon and will always be Mormon.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">Those are ideas that had never really entered my mind. It had never really occurred to me that even if the facts were against the church, people would still remain in it. I was not sure which answer he gave me that bugged me the most. If he only knew how much the Book of Abraham feeds into his own belief system. How could he say, &#8220;Who cares about the Book of Abraham?&#8221; I mean, the teachings exclusive to Mormonism don&#8217;t come from the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon was written in such a way that it virtually does not stray from biblical teachings. There is little or nothing new in the doctrine from the Book of Mormon. It is the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price that set Mormon theology apart from &#8220;regular&#8221; Christian theology.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">These words of indifference, of not caring if it is true in the literal sense are so foreign to me. I first heard them from my best friend a few years ago, before I had ever expressed any doubts. As we passed by the house of a neighbor that had left the church after studying church history, he said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand Bro. So-and-So. I mean, even if I didn&#8217;t think the church was true, I wouldn&#8217;t leave it.&#8221; At that point, I blurted out a very loud, &#8220;WHAT?!? Are you serious?&#8221; He was. My other best friend who was also there that night is the one I mentioned in the above paragraph, who also doesn&#8217;t care about the church being true in any literal sense. Another close friend, for whom I was the best man at his temple wedding, wrote me an email when he found out that I had left the church. It was not what I expected. He congratulated me on doing what he said he never had the courage to do.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">Perhaps the most painful response was from my girlfriend. She told me she was proud of me and for what I was doing. She started calling me Winston (the main character from 1984, who rebels against Big Brother). It shocked me that she would say such a thing that seemed so telling to me, and it saddened me when she said she wouldn&#8217;t be joining me. In HER OWN ANALOGY she chose to love Big Brother.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">These people that have been such a large part of my life (three of the four I have known since we were children) now feel like strangers to me. Their way of thinking on this matter has never been an option for me. I have always considered such choices to be wrong, even in the best-case scenario, and in a worst-case scenario, downright evil. Although I don&#8217;t consider this a worst-case scenario, I am still left baffled that such good people would choose such a path. It would bother me less if they hadn&#8217;t all served missions and didn&#8217;t plan on teaching the rising generation that these beliefs are true. If they stand where they do, why are they passing the information on as truth? I am still working on the answer to that one. In the mean time, for the sake of preserving respect for my loved ones, I am forced to concede that making the choice to believe in something that you don&#8217;t truly think is reality, may not be as evil as I thought&#8230;</span></em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/09/trying-to-understand-my-friends-who-didnt-leave-the-faith/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>805</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>What Bothers Me, and Why I Still Believe</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/03/what-bothers-me-and-why-i-still-believe/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/03/what-bothers-me-and-why-i-still-believe/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AdamF</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ordinances]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sacrament]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[seminary]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spirituality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[temple]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[family]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[revelation]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=5504</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I am an active member of the church, and a believer. I am well aware of most of the controversial issues (Book of Abraham, DNA, Book of Mormon historicity, polyandry, etc.). Some of them occasionally bother me. Others do not. Although according to statistics I am very educated, I probably could not win an argument defending the church on any of those points. I could not support the church on Prop. 8, (if you want to specifically comment on that, please go here). I will probably never understand in this life why we are discouraged from praying to our Heavenly Mother, or why women are no longer allowed bless the sick. I am sure I could go on, and so could many of you. I occasionally get asked or read questions like, &#8220;If Joseph Smith made claims that were false, how can you believe any of his claims?&#8221; &#8220;When you line everything up, how can you still logically believe it to be true?&#8221; For anyone questioning the faith, or those who have left the church who may be reading this, feel free to mentally insert other questions here. They are all good and valid in my opinion. I do not fault [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an active member of the church, and a believer.</p>
<p>I am well aware of most of the controversial issues (Book of Abraham, DNA, Book of Mormon historicity, polyandry, etc.). Some of them occasionally bother me. Others do not. Although <a href="http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=y&amp;-geo_id=01000US&amp;-qr_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U_QTP20&amp;-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U&amp;-redoLog=false">according to statistics</a> I am very educated, I probably could not win an argument defending the church on any of those points. I could not support the church on Prop. 8, (if you want to specifically comment on that, <a href="http://www.shenpawarrior.com/2008/11/my-testimony-of-gospel-and-why-im.html" target="_blank">please go here</a>). I will probably never understand in this life why we are discouraged from <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=956a94bf3938b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1" target="_blank">praying to our Heavenly Mother</a>, or why women are no longer allowed bless the sick. I am sure I could go on, and so could many of you.</p>
<p><span id="more-5504"></span></p>
<p>I occasionally get asked or read questions like, &#8220;If Joseph Smith made claims that were false, how can you believe any of his claims?&#8221; &#8220;When you line everything up, how can you still logically believe it to be true?&#8221; For anyone questioning the faith, or those who have left the church who may be reading this, feel free to mentally insert other questions here. They are all good and valid in my opinion. I do not fault anyone for asking them, nor for being disturbed enough by them to leave the faith. Although my path is different, I wish you the best.</p>
<p>How do I explain my belief and activity in the church? Have I put &#8220;feelings&#8221; above reason?</p>
<p>I was raised by a saint of a mother and an intellectual yet very spiritual father. Church books lined the shelves: Quinn, Compton, and even Bagley&#8217;s Blood of The Prophets and Southerton&#8217;s Lost Tribe made appearances. On hunting trips my father would sometimes shoot his buffalo in the name of Allah (in Turkish) so our good Muslim friends could enjoy it with us. As bishop, he helped countless families regardless of legal status, blessed a neighbor&#8217;s sick cat, and was a safe haven for gay members to turn to. My parents left their ward a few years ago to attend a Hispanic branch, where they can do a lot more than debate in Sunday School over gospel minutiae. They taught me by word and example that serving and loving others always trumps theology.</p>
<p>As a priest I loved blessing the sacrament. It was probably the first time I felt a significant sense of the sacred&#8211;it was intoxicating. I loved seminary and institute, even when I was taught that Darwin was Satan&#8217;s answer to Joseph Smith (that one still makes me smile). I often felt a sense of awe watching the RMs come home. I wanted what they had. My father called it &#8220;spiritual muscle.&#8221; My mission in Japan was the right place at the right time for me, for many reasons. It was the best investment of time I had ever made (up to that point, of course!).</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon has a special place in my life. One experience reading King Benjamin started what became a small series of nearly indescribable <em>subjective</em> positive spiritual experiences, (I once tried to describe what it was like to an inquiring non-member/acquaintance and was mocked for it, so I hold close what is most sacred&#8211;let&#8217;s just say that a few of them were more than just a &#8220;tingling down the spine&#8221; or &#8220;warm feelings&#8221;). I have also felt what I interpret to be the infinite love and patience of God, for me and for all of his children. These &#8220;feelings&#8221; are as important and special to me as my &#8220;feelings&#8221; for my wife and son.</p>
<p>I love having a community wherever I go. I generally enjoy responsibilities at church, (currently the strengthening marriage instructor) and I have found that if I&#8217;m prepared and attentive, the meetings are <em>usually</em> more than worthwhile. I love General Conference, and agree with the teachings <em>almost</em> all of the time. Some people (both in and out of the church) seem to think that a prophet is either always right or not a prophet at all. I was not brought up that way, and have a difficult time understanding it now. Like Henry Eyring (Sr.) said, I think that prophets are wonderful because <em>sometimes</em> they speak for God. It is for those special moments of elevation and insight that I respect and listen to them.</p>
<p>Certain aspects of Mormon theology also fit me better than any religion or philosophy I know. This will have to be a later post, but marriage and personal growth are two of the most important things in life to me, and Mormonism fits those quite well, (I am definitely open to other views or ideas on this, if you have some).</p>
<p>I love symbolism, and enjoy the temple ordinances&#8211;I expect that they will continue to evolve, and look forward to it. I see Christ and relationships in everything in the temple. It can be different, even awkward at first, but looking deeper provides inspiration and insight that is a moving and a stabilizing force in my life. I believe in Christ. He <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2023:34;&amp;version=9;" target="_blank">inspires goodness</a>. He is the answer to the question of evil and tragedy and suffering. He unconditionally <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=1+Nephi+11%3A17&amp;do=Search" target="_blank">loves everyone</a>. That is a God I believe in. His revelations are in the Church, in books, in the rocks, and hopefully in my dissertation in a few years. None of those conduits are free from error.</p>
<p>This is not an argument for Mormonism. I am not telling others how they should approach faith, or activity in the church. This is simply how I am doing it. I could not be more logical: Some stuff bothers me, some of it really inspires me, gives meaning to my life and family, and has been the source of experiences (not always just feelings) and growth that I cannot reject. I do not have my head in the sand. I am not plugging my ears and yelling &#8220;faith! faith! faith!&#8221; at valid and logical arguments against the church&#8217;s claims.</p>
<p>Some people may think that if I have concerns or disagreements I should drop the church. Others may think I should try harder to procure some answers for my questions and concerns. I have pondered the first option and tried out the second for a while. In one of the clearest insights in my life, I found that neither option is even <em>remotely</em> satisfying. I believe in the gospel, and I am not an apologist. So here I am, in the church, good and bad, <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/22/best-and-worst-mormon-quotes/">best and worst</a>, inspiring and awkward.</p>
<p>What is your story?</p>
<ul>
<li>How do you handle issues that are difficult or perhaps impossible to reconcile?</li>
<li>What are the best parts of your experiences in the church?</li>
<li>Why have you ultimately decided to stay or leave? (Please keep these in a spirit of sharing and mutual understanding.)</li>
</ul>
<p>Do you know of any good related posts (by those who have stayed OR left&#8211;again, written with some humility, please). Next week there will be a guest post by a friend of mine who left the church a while back. Here are a few others, from various perspectives:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/02/25/why-i-am-not-a-disaffected-mormon/" target="_blank">Why I Am Not a Disaffected Mormon</a></li>
<li><a href="http://thejoosblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/not-ashamed.html" target="_blank">Not ashamed</a></li>
<li><a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/the-atheist-hiding-within-the-mormon/" target="_blank">The atheist hiding within the Mormon</a></li>
<li><a href="http://byzantium.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/i-have-always-been-a-pagan/" target="_blank">I Have Always Been A Pagan</a></li>
</ul>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/03/what-bothers-me-and-why-i-still-believe/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>120</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Debunking the Spaulding Theory</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/04/debunking-the-spaulding-theory/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/04/debunking-the-spaulding-theory/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 07:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[books]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=5086</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[In my previous post about Unconventional Book of Mormon Geography Theories, Doug G made a comment claiming that the Book of Mormon is related to the Solomon Spaulding Manuscript, so I want to address this theory.  Andrew Ainsworth did a post in February on the Curious Case of Solomon Spaulding, which talks more about the legal aspects of proving plagiarism.  Andrew is a lawyer, and I found his perspective interesting. Lest anyone think my quotes are from apologetic sources, let me discuss them.  My quotes are going to come from two books. (1) Sidney Rigdon:  Portrait of Religious Excess, by Richard Van Wagoner (which I&#8217;ll abbreviate SR).  Chapter 11 is called Book of Mormon Authorship, and deals directly with the issue of whether Sidney Rigdon is the true author of the Book of Mormon, rather than Joseph Smith.  (2) No Man Knows My History, by Fawn Brodie (which I&#8217;ll abbreviate NM).  While Fawn Brodie was excommunicated for her book (thus increasing her stature in the eyes of skeptics), few people know much about Van Wagoner.  Van Wagoner&#8217;s book has received many awards, but has been criticized by FARMS for being &#8220;fundamentally, not simply tangentially, defective.&#8221;  Any book criticized by FARMS [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--[if gte mso 9]&gt; Normal   0               false   false   false      EN-US   X-NONE   X-NONE                                                     MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 &lt;![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]&gt; &lt;![endif]--><!--  --><!--[if gte mso 10]&gt; &lt;!   /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable 	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; 	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; 	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; 	mso-style-noshow:yes; 	mso-style-priority:99; 	mso-style-qformat:yes; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; 	mso-para-margin-top:0in; 	mso-para-margin-right:0in; 	mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; 	mso-para-margin-left:0in; 	line-height:115%; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:11.0pt; 	font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; 	mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; 	mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; 	mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; 	mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} --> <!--[endif]--></p>
<p>In my previous post about <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/">Unconventional Book of Mormon Geography Theories</a>, Doug G <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/#comment-69622">made a comment</a> claiming that the Book of Mormon is related to the Solomon Spaulding Manuscript, so I want to address this theory.  Andrew Ainsworth did a post in February on <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/02/the-curious-case-of-solomon-spaulding/">the Curious Case of Solomon Spaulding</a>, which talks more about the legal aspects of proving plagiarism.  Andrew is a lawyer, and I found his perspective interesting.</p>
<p><span id="more-5086"></span>Lest anyone think my quotes are from apologetic sources, let me discuss them.  My quotes are going to come from two books. (1) <a href="http://www.signaturebooks.com/sidney.htm">Sidney Rigdon:  Portrait of Religious Excess</a>, by Richard Van Wagoner (which I&#8217;ll abbreviate SR).  Chapter 11 is called Book of Mormon Authorship, and deals directly with the issue of whether Sidney Rigdon is the true author of the Book of Mormon, rather than Joseph Smith.  (2) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/No-Man-Knows-My-History/dp/0679730540/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1240752200&amp;sr=8-1">No Man Knows My History</a>, by Fawn Brodie (which I&#8217;ll abbreviate NM).  While Fawn Brodie was excommunicated for her book (thus increasing her stature in the eyes of skeptics), few people know much about Van Wagoner.  Van Wagoner&#8217;s book has received many awards, but has been <a href="http://farms.byu.edu/publications/review/?vol=14&amp;num=1&amp;id=411">criticized by FARMS</a> for being &#8220;fundamentally, not simply tangentially, defective.&#8221;  Any book criticized by FARMS often gives skeptics (like Doug G) reason to like the book.  Neither book is apologetic in nature.  Both books greatly discount the Spalding Manuscript theory.</p>
<p><strong>What is the Spaulding Manuscript?</strong></p>
<p>Solomon Spaulding was born in 1761 in Connecticut, and graduated from Dartmouth College (NH) in 1785.  He was a minister for the Congregational Church in New York, and later became a Presbyterian.  In 1809, he moved to Ohio and wrote a historical novel, narrated by a Roman sailor named Fabius who was shipwrecked in ancient America.  The book was never published, and he died in 1816.  After several changes of ownership (including the RLDS church), the manuscript has been donated to Oberlin College in Ohio, where it currently resides.  You may <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/themanuscriptsto00spauuoft">view the manuscript here</a>.</p>
<p><strong>What is the theory?</strong></p>
<p>What is quite interesting to me is that this theory dates back to literally 1831, and Rigdon has always denied the theory.  According to NM page 68,</p>
<p><em>The theory ran as follows:  The Book of Mormon was a plagiarism of an old manuscript by one Solomon Spaulding, which Sidney Rigdon somehow secured from a printing house in Pittsburgh.  After adding much religious matter to the story, Rigdon determined to publish it as a newly discovered history of the American Indian.  Hearing of a young necromancer Joseph smith, three hundred miles away in New York State, he visited him secretly and persuaded him to enact a fraudulent representation of its discovery.  Then nine months after the book&#8217;s publication Smith&#8217;s missionaries went to Ohio and the pastor pretended to be converted to the new church.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Through the years the &#8220;Spaulding theory&#8221; collected supporting affidavits as a ship does barnacles, until it became so laden with evidence that the casual reader was overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the accumulation.  The theory requires a careful analysis because it has been so widely accepted.  The documentary evidence on both sides is so burdensome, however, that I have relegated it to an appendix.</em></p>
<p><strong>Similarities</strong></p>
<p>There are some interesting similarities between the two books, which I will highlight below.  NM page 449 addresses the obvious similarities.  (I have changed the formatting to highlight the similarities, but the following is an exact quote from the NM book.)</p>
<p><em>There were certain similarities between the book of Mormon which, though not sufficient to justify the thesis of common authorship, might have given rise to the conviction of Spaulding&#8217;s neighbors that one was a plagiarism of the other.</em></p>
<ul class="unIndentedList">
<li> <em>Both were said to come out of the earth;</em></li>
<li> <em>Both were stories of colonists sailing from the Old World to the New;</em></li>
<li> <em>Both explained the earthworks and mounds common to western New York and Ohio as a result of savage wars.</em></li>
<li> <em>John Miller had spoken of the &#8220;humorous passages&#8221; in Spaulding&#8217;s work, which would certainly apply to the &#8220;Manuscript Story,&#8221; but not the utterly humorless Book of Mormon.</em></li>
<li> <em>Other features, like the scriptural style, </em></li>
<li> <em>the expression &#8220;it came to pass,&#8221; </em></li>
<li> <em>and the proper names, seem too definite to be questioned.</em></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>How did the theory come about?</strong></p>
<p>During 1830 and 1831, Mormon missionary work in Ohio flourished, including converts Sidney Rigdon, Orson Hyde, Orson Pratt, and Parley P Pratt (who were members of Rigdon&#8217;s Baptist congregation.)  When Sidney announced his conversion during his Baptist services and some 100 members of his congregation soon joined, there was much consternation among the members of his congregation who felt Sidney was badly deceived.  According to SR page 132,</p>
<p><em>Mormonism&#8217;s success in Ohio, particularly among Sidney&#8217;s Reformed Baptists, spelled conspiracy in some people&#8217;s eyes.  While eleven of Smith&#8217;s friends and relatives signed affidavits that they had examined the gold plates and seen the angel who delivered them to the prophet, many did not accept this supernatural explanation.  To cynics it seemed improbable that a semi-literate farm boy could author a literary work so intricate in plot and steeped in biblical lore as the Book of Mormon.</em></p>
<p><em>The logical explanation for the holy book was that Smith must have collaborated behind the scenes with someone better educated and more sophisticated.  A former school teacher, Oliver Cowdery, Smith&#8217;s major copyist during the project, was considerably better schooled than his prophet-cousin.  Cowdery was touted in the press as co-author of the Book of Mormon in the 25 November 1830 <strong>Cleveland Herald</strong>.  But as soon as Sidney made his late 1830 trip to New York to meet Smith, rumors surfaced that he, not Cowdery, was the mastermind behind the new scripture.</em></p>
<p><strong>Evidence that the Spaulding Manuscript is not the Source of the Book of Mormon</strong></p>
<p>Besides the fact that the Spaulding manuscript is just one-sixth the size of the Book of Mormon (meaning Joseph and Sidney needed to come up with much new material), Spaulding&#8217;s widow, Matilda Davison, gave the manuscript to Hurlburt.  NM page 144,</p>
<p><em>Now to his bitter chagrin he found that the long chase had been vain; for while the romance did concern the ancestors of the Indians, its resemblance to the Book of Mormon ended there.  None of the names found in one could be identified in the other;  the many battles which each described showed not the slightest similarity with those of the other, and Spaulding&#8217;s prose style, which aped the eighteenth-century British sentimental novelists, differed from the style of the Mormon Bible as much as <strong>Pamela, or Virtue Rewarded</strong> different from the New Testament. </em></p>
<p>(The manuscript Hurlburt found was published by the Reorganized Church in Lamoni, Iowa in 1885 under the title <strong>The Manuscript Found</strong>).  Continuing on,</p>
<p><em>Hurlburt knew, however, that he had a keg of powder even without the manuscript.  He boldly exhibited his affidavits in Kirtland, lectured in the surrounding towns, and arranged to publish the documents in book form with the assistance of Eber D. Howe.  The lectures caused a furor.</em></p>
<p>The appendix in NM page 447 gives additional insight into the manuscript.</p>
<p><em>She [Spaulding's widow] gave permission to examine the Spaulding&#8217;s papers in the attic of a farmhouse in Otsego County, New York; but he found there only one manuscript, which was clearly not the source for the Book of Mormon.  This was a romance supposedly translated from twenty-one rolls of parchment covered with Latin, found in a cave on the banks of the Conneaut Creek.  It was written in modern English and was about 45,000 words long, one sixth the length of the Book of Mormon.  It was an adventure story of some Romans sailing to Britain long before the Christian era, who had been blown to America during a violent storm.</em></p>
<p><strong>Hurlburt&#8217;s  Downfall/ED Howe takes over Issue</strong></p>
<p>Hurlburt at some point confronted Smith.  SR Page 136,</p>
<p><em>Smith and Rigdon were quick to defend the Mormon cause.  And at some point in the passion of a heated exchange, Hurlburt publicly threatened that he would &#8220;wash his hands&#8221; in the prophet&#8217;s blood.  In January 1834, Smith filed a legal complaint bringing Hurlburt to trial on 1 April.  The court found him guilty, fined him $200, and ordered him to keep the peace for 6 months.</em></p>
<p><em>The notoriety surrounding Hurlbut, compounded by an embarrassing incident when his wife was discovered in bed with Judge Orris Clapp, tarnished his image.  He sold his research to Eber D. Howe, editor of the <strong>Painesville Telegraph</strong>, who held a long-term grudge against Mormonism for converting his wife and daughter. </em></p>
<p>On Nov 28, 1834, The <strong>Painesville Telegraph</strong> contained the first advertisement of Howe&#8217;s book <strong>Mormonism Unvailed.</strong> It was one of the first published books attributing Rigdon as the real author of the Book of Mormon.   SR page 136,</p>
<p><em>While Howe admitted he had Spalding&#8217;s manuscript, it was obvious that the former minister&#8217;s work, a secular text, was not the source for the Book of Mormon, a lofty religious tome, although the introduction, ethnological assumptions, and mystical lore were undeniably similar.  To explain the enigmatic gaps in genre and plot, Howe wrote that his witnesses claimed Spalding had &#8220;altered his first plan of writing, by going farther back with dates, and writing in the old scripture style, in order that it might appear more ancient.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>Howe further purported that through some unspecified means, Rigdon must have secured this hypothetical second, revised manuscript while he was living in Pittsburgh.  He concluded: &#8220;We, therefore, must hold out Sidney Rigdon to the world as being the original ‘author and proprietor&#8217; of the whole Mormon conspiracy, until further light is elicited upon the lost writings of Solomon Spaulding.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>Other Manuscripts?</strong></p>
<p>NM page 447-8 discusses the possibility of other manuscripts, and discounts them.</p>
<p><em>She [Spaulding's widow] told him that &#8220;Spaulding had a great variety of manuscripts&#8221; and recollected that one was entitled the &#8220;Manuscript Found,&#8221; but its contents she &#8220;had no distinct knowledge.&#8221;  During the two years she had lived in Pittsburgh, Spaulding had taken the manuscript to the office of Patterson and Lambdin, she said, but whether or not it had been returned was uncertain.</em></p>
<p><em>She gave Hurlbut permission to examine Spaulding&#8217;s papers in the attic of a farmhouse in Otswego, New York; but he found there only one manuscript, which was clearly not the source of the Book of Mormon.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;.</em></p>
<p><em>Hurlbut showed this manuscript to Spaulding&#8217;s neighbors, who, he said, recognized it as Spaulding&#8217;s, but stated that it was not the &#8220;Manuscript Found.&#8221;  Spaulding &#8220;had altered his first plan of writing, but going farther back with dates and writing in the Old Scripture style, in order that it might appear more ancient.&#8221;  This surmise may have been true, though there was no signed statement swearing to it.  But it seems more likely that these witnesses had so come to identify the Book of Mormon with the Spaulding manuscript that they could not concede having made an error without admitting to a case of memory substitution which they did not themselves recognize.</em></p>
<p>NM Page449,</p>
<p><em> Hurlbut, at least, was certain that Spaulding had written a second manuscript.  Eber D. Howe, Hurlbut&#8217;s collaborator, now wrote to Robert Patterson, the Pittsburgh printer mentioned by Spaulding&#8217;s widow.  He replied &#8220;that he had no recollection of any manuscript being brought there for publication, neither would he have been likely to have seen it, as the business of printing was conducted wholly by Lambdin at that time.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Disappointed in this source, and unable to get any confirming evidence from Joseph&#8217;s neighbors in western New York, Hurlbut had to be content with insinuating that Sidney Rigdon, who had once lived in Pittsburgh, was somehow responsible for getting the Spaulding manuscript into Joseph Smith&#8217;s hands.</em></p>
<p><strong>Where was Rigdon between 1809 and 1830?</strong></p>
<p>Rigdon never met Spaulding (who died in 1816.)  NM Page 449-51</p>
<p><em>If the evidence pointing to the existence of a second Spaulding manuscript is dubious, the affidavits trying to prove that Rigdon stole it, or copied it, are all unconvincing and frequently preposterous.</em></p>
<p><em>First there is no evidence that Rigdon ever lived in Pittsburgh until 1822, when he became pastor of the First Baptist Church.  Robert Patterson, Jr., son of the Pittsburgh printer, conducted an exhaustive research among the old settlers of the vicinity to try to establish the truth of the Spaulding theory.  This was in 1882, sixty-six years after Spaulding&#8217;s death.  Many were familiar with the theory and believed it, he said, but few could give first-hand information.  Rigdon&#8217;s brother-in-law, not a Mormon, and Isaac King, and old neighbor, swore to him that Rigdon did not go to Pittsburgh before 1822.  Mrs. Lambdin, widow of Patterson&#8217;s partner, denied any knowledge of Rigdon, as did Robert P. DuBois, who had worked in the printing shop between 1818 and 1820.</em></p>
<p><em>One woman, who had worked as a mail clerk in Patterson&#8217;s office between 1811 and 1816, stated that she knew Rigdon and that he was an intimate friend of Lambdin&#8217;s but this was clearly untrue as evidenced by the statement of Lambdin&#8217;s widow that she had never heard of Rigdon&#8230;. </em></p>
<p>Brodie rejects other affidavits from this point on.  NM Page 453,</p>
<p><em>The tenuous chain of evidence accumulated to support the Spaulding-Rigdon theory breaks altogether when it tries to prove that Rigdon met Joseph Smith before 1830.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;.</em></p>
<p><em>Rigdon&#8217;s life between 1826 and 1829 has been carefully documented from non-Mormon sources.  It is clear from the following chronology that he was a busy and successful preacher and one of the leading figures of the Campbellite movement in Ohio.  Until August 1830, when he broke with Alexander Campbell over the question of introducing communism into the Campbellite Church, he was one of the four key men of that church.  It cannot be held that Rigdon rewrote the Spaulding manuscript before 1827, since the anti-Masonry permeating the book clearly stemmed from the Morgan excitement beginning late in 1826.</em></p>
<p>Brodie then lists all the known funerals, marriages, and other meetings of Rigdon between 1826 and 1830, along with gaps of information where his whereabouts are unknown.  It fails to show a link between Smith and Rigdon prior to Dec 1830.  By this time, the Book of Mormon had already been published.</p>
<p><strong>Rigdon and others&#8217; denials</strong></p>
<p>SR Page 133-4,</p>
<p><em>(1) </em><em> During the spring of 1833 or 1834, while visiting the home of Samuel Baker near New Portage, Ohio, Rigdon stated in the presence of a large gathering that he was aware some in the neighborhood had accused him of being the instigator of the Book of Mormon.  Standing in the doorway to address the audience in the yard, he held up a Book of Mormon and said:</em></p>
<p><em>‘I testify in the presence of this congregation, and before God and all the Holy Angels up yonder, (pointing toward heaven), before whom I expect to give account at the judgement day, that I never saw a sentence of the Book of Mormon.  I never penned a sentence in the Book of Mormon. I never knew that there was such a book in existence as the Book of Mormon, until it was presented to me by Parley P. Pratt, in the form that it now is.&#8217;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>(2) </em><em>On his deathbed with an interview to his son Wickliffe, &#8220;I found him as ever in declaring that he himself had nothing whatever to do in writing the book, and that Joseph Smith received it from an angel.  On his dying bed he made the same declaration to a Methodist minister&#8230;. My mother has also told me that Father had nothing to do with the writing of the book, and that she positively knew that he had never seen it until Parley P. Pratt came to our home with it.</em></p>
<p><em>(3) </em><em>Nancy R. Ellis, Rigdon&#8217;s most anti-Mormon offspring, recalled in an 1884 interview the arrival of the missionaries to her Mentor, Ohio home when she was eight years old:  &#8220;I saw them hand him the book, and I am positive as can be that he never saw it before&#8230;. She further stated that her father in the last years of his life called his family together and told them, as sure as there was a God in heaven, he never had anything to do in getting up the book of Mormon, and never saw any such thing as a manuscript written by Solomon Spaulding.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>(4) </em>Former apostle William McClellin (who was excommunicated in 1838) said regarding Rigdon on page 137<em>, &#8220;He never heard of the work of Smith &amp; Cowdery, until C[owdery] and P[arley] P Pratt brought the book to him in Mentor, O[hio].  True enough, I have but little confidence in S. Rigdon, but I know he was more the tool of J. Smith than his teacher and director.  He was docile in J.S. hands to my knowledge.</em></p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>SR page 137. <em> </em></p>
<p><em>The weight of scholarly studies since Fawn Brodie&#8217;s seminal 1945 <strong>No Man Knows My History </strong>biography of Joseph Smith has all but eliminated the Spalding theory and Rigdon&#8217;s complicity.  The earliest Book of Mormon critic, Rigdon&#8217;s former mentor Alexander Campbell, opined in 1831 that Joseph Smith profoundly affected by the Salvationist Christianity of nineteenth-century Protestant America, was, in fact, the author of the work. </em></p>
<p>NM page 455-6</p>
<p><em>Alexander Campbell, who knew Rigdon intimately, described his conversion to Mormonism with great regret in the <strong>Millennial Harbinger</strong>, attributing it to his nervous spasms and swooning and to his passionate belief in the imminent gathering of Israel.  But of the authorship of the Book of Mormon he wrote bluntly:  &#8220;It is as certainly Smith&#8217;s fabrication as Satan is the father of lies or darkness is the offspring of night.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m sure there are people out there who believe the Book of Mormon is fiction.  However, I believe the Spaulding Theory has been thoroughly discredited by these two authors.  (I know this is a long post, but a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/26/debunking-the-spaulding-manuscript-theory/">longer version is found here</a>.)  Comments?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/04/debunking-the-spaulding-theory/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>134</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Unconventional Book of Mormon Geography Theories</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[geography]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[lamanites]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4961</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been over a year since someone posted something on Book of Mormon geography, so I think it&#8217;s about time.  Most of you believe that the Book of Mormon occurred in Central America, right?  Well it turns out there are over 100 theories.  Check out this big list, which is incomplete. In 1991, John Sorenson of BYU, the &#8220;dean&#8221; of Book of Mormon geography, created a book called &#8220;The Geography of Book of Mormon Events: A Source Book&#8220;.  (It is hard to find because it has no ISBN #, but can be purchased at the BYU Bookstore as well as some bookstores specializing on obscure Mormon books.)  I reviewed the book, and grouped the theories into basic categories. (1)   Internal Theories. Any scholar should create a map before trying to locate it in the real world. (2)   Hemispheric Models. Mormons originally thought that the Book of Mormon peoples covered the entire North and South America. (3)   Central America Models. The bulk of &#8220;Mormon approved&#8221; scholars support this general group of theories. (4)   South America Models. Joseph Smith is reported to have said that Lehi landed 30 degrees South of the equator, in what would be modern day Chile. (5)   The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been over a year since someone posted something on Book of Mormon geography, so I think it&#8217;s about time.  Most of you believe that the Book of Mormon occurred in Central America, right?  Well it turns out there are over 100 theories.  Check out this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon_Geography_Models">big list</a>, which is incomplete.</p>
<p>In 1991, John Sorenson of BYU, the &#8220;dean&#8221; of Book of Mormon geography, created a book called &#8220;<strong>The Geography of Book of Mormon Events: A Source Book</strong>&#8220;.  (It is hard to find because it has no ISBN #, but can be purchased at the <a href="http://www.byubookstore.com/ePOS?this_category=127&amp;store=439&amp;item_number=1340487&amp;form=shared3%2fgm%2fdetail.html&amp;design=439">BYU Bookstore</a> as well as some bookstores specializing on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0006QHZWE/ref=sr_1_olp_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1239299160&amp;sr=8-1">obscure Mormon books</a>.)  I reviewed the book, and grouped the theories into <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/01/25/book-of-mormon-geography/">basic categories</a>.</p>
<p><span id="more-4961"></span>(1)   <strong>Internal Theories</strong>. Any scholar should create a map before trying to locate it in the real world.</p>
<p>(2)   <strong>Hemispheric Models</strong>. Mormons originally thought that the Book of Mormon peoples covered the entire North and South America.</p>
<p>(3)   <strong>Central America Models</strong>. The bulk of &#8220;Mormon approved&#8221; scholars support this general group of theories.</p>
<p>(4)   <strong>South America Models</strong>. Joseph Smith is reported to have said that Lehi landed 30 degrees South of the equator, in what would be modern day Chile.</p>
<p>(5)   <strong>The Great Lakes Theories</strong>. Since the golden plates were found in NY, the BOM lands must be nearby.  The Narrow Neck is near the Great Lakes.</p>
<p>The book is now close to 20 years old.  Since it was published, a flood of new theories have been created.  The following 2 theories are some of the most radical.</p>
<p><em>(6) </em><strong>The African Theory</strong> by Embaye Melekin.  <a href="http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&amp;id=383">Michael Ash wrote a review</a> of this theory in 2001.  Melekin claims that his book titled, &#8220;Manifestations mysteries revealed,&#8221; has proven &#8220;<em>beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Book of Mormon is an African book and about Africans. . . . My book will change the church and the belief of the Mormons drastically.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>(7) </em><strong>The Malay Theory</strong>. This theory says it would have been much easier for Nephi to travel a 4000 mile journey to the Malay Peninsula than a 16000 mile journey in open seas to the Americas, and the Malay Peninsula is a better description of the Narrow Neck of Land.<em></em></p>
<p>So, what if the Book of Mormon is true, but we&#8217;re digging in the wrong place?  I decided to look at one of the radically different geography theories-the Malay theory.  I discovered it in the footnotes of the Wikipedia article on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon">Archaeology and the Book of Mormon</a>.  The theory even has its <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#Alternative_settings">own section here</a>, as well as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Malay_Theory">Wikipedia article</a>.  If you look in the footnotes, you&#8217;ll see a link to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#cite_note-Malay-220">Sunstone article</a> written by Ralph Olsen.  (You must open the attachment with the free Adobe Reader.)</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/malay-map.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-5014" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/malay-map.jpg" alt="" /></a>In the Sunstone article, he lists his mailing address, so I wrote him a letter.  Ralph Olsen is a retired chemistry professor at Montana State University, with research interests in plants, soils, and microbes.  I asked him why he picked Malay as a possible Book of Mormon location, and he cited several reasons:</p>
<p>(1)    The peninsula is north-south, unlike Sorenson&#8217;s east-west orientation</p>
<p>(2)    The problems with animals go away.  Elephants, sheep, horses, etc. all date to the proper time period</p>
<p>(3)    The civilization dates to the proper time period, and had chariots, iron, silk, etc</p>
<p>(4)    There were dark-skinned people pre-existing on the peninsula.  If they intermarried with the Lamanites, (while the Nephites did not intermarry) that might explain the &#8220;dark and loathsome&#8221; peoples in the Book of Mormon</p>
<p>(5)    The shorter 4000 mile oceanic travel makes more sense than a 16000 mile journey.  Even the FAIR produced DVD called <a href="http://store.fairlds.org/prod/p0934893039.html">Journey of Faith</a>, (which shows many Old World evidences of the Book of Mormon), indicates Nephi would have hugged the coastline, and the path goes right by the Malay Peninsula.</p>
<p><em>(6) </em><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5#5">Alma 63: 5</a><a name="5"></a> <em>And it came to pass that Hagoth, he being an <sup>a</sup></em><a title="10 (10, 14)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5a"><em>exceedingly</em></a><em> curious man, therefore he went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship, on the borders of the land <sup>b</sup></em><a title="23." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5b"><em>Bountiful</em></a><em>, by the land Desolation, and launched it forth into the west sea, by the <sup>c</sup></em><a title="20." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5c"><em>narrow</em></a><em> neck which led into the land northward. </em></p>
<p>a.       Traditional Mormon scholars seem to support the idea that Hagoth traveled eastward and populated the Pacific Islands (such as Hawaii, Tonga, etc),</p>
<p>b.      Scholarly consensus indicates that Native Americans came from Asia, and came along one of two routes.  (1) the Bering Strait, or (2) they hopped across the Pacific Islands (such as Hawaii, Tonga, etc), before arriving in the Americas.  Olsen&#8217;s migratory theory seems to be backed up by more scientists.</p>
<p>(7)    DNA evidence seems to be better.  While not endorsing the Malay Theory, <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-513">Simon Southerton even commented on my blog</a> that &#8220;I&#8217;m not aware of any DNA evidence from South East Asia linking populations there with the Middle East. South East Asia has been heavily populated for tens of thousands of years, with large civilizations. It is possible that Jewish sailors colonized parts of Asia though.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unrelated to this theory, a Jewish documentary filmmaker named Simcha Jacobovici has made the claim that the tribe of Manasseh may be located in the Malay Peninsula in his film <a title="Quest for the Lost Tribes" href="http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70158" target="_blank"><em>&#8220;Quest for the Lost Tribes&#8221;</em></a><em> </em>, which I <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/04/19/have-the-lost-10-tribes-been-found/">blogged about previously</a>.  Jacobovici maintains that when Babylon invaded Israel and scattered them in 600 BC, that some of the tribes were taken across land to Malay.  This could seemingly explain how the Mulekites got there, and why the Nephites (who traveled by boat) couldn&#8217;t understand them.</p>
<p>There is also a legend in Malay stating that some shipwrecked Jewish people landed there, possibly indicating the Nephites landing there. As we know from the Book of Mormon, Nephi and Lehi were from the tribe of Manasseh.  Jacobovici states in his film that some of the local citizens in Malay claim to be from the Tribe of Manasseh.</p>
<p>Olsen has written a short book called &#8220;A More Promising Land of Promise&#8221;, which is available for purchase on his own <a href="http://www.mormonlocations.com/introduction.html">website</a>.  He encourages people to critique his work, so if you have problems with his theories, be kind, but please express them.  I told him I was going to post on his theory, and he may or may not stop by.  (He is not technologically savvy.)</p>
<p>My biggest problems with the theory are:</p>
<p>(1)    How did the plates get to New York?  Olsen admits that he doesn&#8217;t know.  But he also points out that Sorenson doesn&#8217;t adequately explain how the 200 lb plates moved from Guatemala 3,000 miles north to NY without a wheeled vehicle.</p>
<p><em>(2) </em>Joseph Smith History 1:34 <em>&#8220;[Moroni] said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of <strong>this continent</strong>, and the source from whence they sprang.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>a.       <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-224">Olsen&#8217;s argument</a> emphasizes this scripture differently, instead emphasizing &#8220;<strong>and the source from whence they sprang.&#8221; </strong>He says the source is the Malay Peninsula, and that is how to overcome this apparent discrepancy. I can see his point, but I know that is not a traditional understanding of that scripture, and I&#8217;m not sure I buy it.</p>
<p>For those of you who want more information, the longer version of this post can be found <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/09/a-radically-different-book-of-mormon-geography-theory/">here</a>.  And if you really want to see this theory, Ralph Olsen has given me permission to make his unpublished manuscript available.  <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/18/my-first-scoop-the-unpublished-malay-theory/">It can be found here</a>. Patience is a virtue&#8230;It&#8217;s 300 pages and 20 MB is size!</p>
<p>So, what do you think?  Do you have any other major problems with the theory?  Is there anything you like about the theory?</p>
<p>UPDATE 4/27/2009.  Sorenson&#8217;s proposed Oceanic Journey.</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/yemen-guat.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-5096" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/yemen-guat-150x1501.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/20/unconventional-book-of-mormon-geography-theories/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>323</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Mainstream acceptance of the Mormons&#8217; Easter Story?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/12/mainstream-acceptance-of-the-mormons-easter-story/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/12/mainstream-acceptance-of-the-mormons-easter-story/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jesus]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4947</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Around Easter 2004, National Geographic produced a documentary titled In Search of Easter.  The producers interviewed a wide range of scholars about the Resurrection story of the Easter celebration.  It is an interesting insight into various Resurrection stories found in the Bible.  I am always interested in scholarly opinions on religious topics, and nearly fell off the couch when I heard the following on the DVD. &#8220;Could yet another possibility exist that explains Jesus sporadic appearances.  Is it possible that he did not limit his visits to ancient Israel?  This is the intriguing scenario described in the Book of Mormon.  The book which emerged in 19th century America is revered by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as God&#8217;s Holy Word.&#8221; Kathleen Flake, Assistant Professor of American Religious History, Vanderbilt University, &#8220;The Book of Mormon is an account of a civilization that lived in the Americas between about 600 years before Jesus was born, until about 400 years after he died.  The centerpiece of this story is Jesus&#8217; appearance to them, after he died, and was resurrected.  He comes to the Americas with business in mind.  Jesus will say to these people in the Americas, ‘now I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around Easter 2004, National Geographic produced a documentary titled <a href="http://www.amazon.com/National-Geographics-Search-EASTER-Geographic/dp/B0007PP4HW">In Search of Easter</a>.  The producers interviewed a wide range of scholars about the Resurrection story of the Easter celebration.  It is an interesting insight into various Resurrection stories found in the Bible.  I am always interested in scholarly opinions on religious topics, and nearly fell off the couch when I heard the following on the DVD.</p>
<blockquote><p><span id="more-4947"></span><em>&#8220;Could yet another possibility exist that explains Jesus sporadic appearances.  Is it possible that he did not limit his visits to ancient Israel?  This is the intriguing scenario described in the Book of Mormon.  The book which emerged in 19<sup>th</sup> century America is revered by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as God&#8217;s Holy Word.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong><em>Kathleen Flake, Assistant Professor of American Religious History, Vanderbilt University</em></strong><em>, &#8220;The Book of Mormon is an account of a civilization that lived in the Americas between about 600 years before Jesus was born, until about 400 years after he died.  The centerpiece of this story is Jesus&#8217; appearance to them, after he died, and was resurrected.  He comes to the Americas with business in mind.  Jesus will say to these people in the Americas, ‘now I said to the Jews in Palestine &#8220;other sheep I have which are not of this fold&#8221;, and they misunderstood me.  They thought I meant the gentiles, but no.  I meant you.  I meant you&#8217;re the other sheep; I must come visit you, I must manifest myself unto you&#8217; so that you can bear witness to the world about the nature of God, and how to receive a forgiveness of sin, or more to the point, how you can overcome the circumstances of the world and be made one with God.&#8217;&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>According to the Book of Mormon, the risen Jesus remains with America&#8217;s ancient tribes for 3 or 4 days.  He then vanishes and then makes sporadic appearances for an unspecified period of time.  Meanwhile, according to the New Testament, Jesus continues to embrace his disciples in Israel.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The DVD then goes on to talk about a small reference where Paul mentions in passing a visit where Jesus visits 500 people after his resurrection in 1 Corinthians 13.  <strong>Has the Book of Mormon gained mainstream acceptance? </strong>(For more info about Easter on this DVD, check out <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/11/academic-and-mormon-views-of-easter/" target="_blank">this post</a>.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/12/mainstream-acceptance-of-the-mormons-easter-story/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>20</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Filtered Visions by guest Reuben Collins</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/02/filtered-visions-by-reuben-collins/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/02/filtered-visions-by-reuben-collins/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[baptism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bloggernacle]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[books]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christ]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[death]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[diversity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fear]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Folklore]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[general]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[liberal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[love]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[obedience]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prayer]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sacrament]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spirituality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[temple]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tesimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Trinity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[women]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4400</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been thinking about Levi Peterson&#8217;s The Backslider lately (SPOILERS AHEAD). The 1986 novel tells the story of Frank Windham, a Mormon cowboy from southern Utah. Frank struggles with his faith and finding his place in Mormon culture. Topics including sexual sin, backsliding, self-mutilation, and guilt have made this novel pretty controversial in many Mormon settings. Despite being beautifully written, I&#8217;ve always thought that the true genious of the novel is the way Frank envisions God &#38; Jesus. Something happens during the transmission of Heavenly knowlege from God into the human mind. We are terribly incapable of understanding or comprehending God. And this means that our visions and revelations, as sacred as they may be, aren&#8217;t actually visions of God. They&#8217;re human interpretations of glory beyond our understanding. We have visions of God &#8211; glorious visions &#8211; real visions &#8211; but they&#8217;re filtered through an earthly lens colored by our personal circumstances. We understand God based on who we need Him to be. This isn&#8217;t to denigrate the authenticity of visions, but we should be careful when trying to make categorical statements about God based on an earthly vision. At one point in the novel, Frank is feeling guilty because [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/41yejfzkyel_sl500_aa240_.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-4425" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/41yejfzkyel_sl500_aa240_.jpg" alt="" width="168" height="168" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about Levi Peterson&#8217;s The Backslider lately (SPOILERS AHEAD). <span id="more-4400"></span></p>
<p>The 1986 novel tells the story of Frank Windham, a Mormon cowboy from southern Utah. Frank struggles with his faith and finding his place in Mormon culture. Topics including sexual sin, backsliding, self-mutilation, and guilt have made this novel pretty controversial in many Mormon settings. Despite being beautifully written, I&#8217;ve always thought that the true genious of the novel is the way Frank envisions God &amp; Jesus.</p>
<p>Something happens during the transmission of Heavenly knowlege from God into the human mind. We are terribly incapable of understanding or comprehending God. And this means that our visions and revelations, as sacred as they may be, aren&#8217;t actually visions of God. They&#8217;re human interpretations of glory beyond our understanding. We have visions of God &#8211; glorious visions &#8211; real visions &#8211; but they&#8217;re filtered through an earthly lens colored by our personal circumstances. We understand God based on who we need Him to be. This isn&#8217;t to denigrate the authenticity of visions, but we should be careful when trying to make categorical statements about God based on an earthly vision.</p>
<p>At one point in the novel, Frank is feeling guilty because of his backsliding and he imagines God pointing a gun at him, calling him to repentance. For some this is absurd, but for Frank, it was as real as any other heavenly vision. His understanding of God is shaped by his experiences. Whereas God communicated his wrath to Adam through banishment, to Noah through flooding, to Moses through serpents and plagues, He communicated his wrath to Frank through a rifle.</p>
<p>By the end of the novel, Frank imagines Jesus as a Cowboy, riding a horse with cigarette in hand. It&#8217;s an account that is sure to rub many Mormons the wrong way, but it&#8217;s who Frank needed Jesus to be in order to have faith in Him. A merciful God wouldn&#8217;t send Frank anything less than Cowboy Jesus.</p>
<p>So we can talk about who God is, what He looks like, or where He came from, but it doesn&#8217;t matter.  What matters is that He is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about God, but i&#8217;m pretty sure Jesus rides a bicycle.</p>
<p>&#8220;Happiness is a full bike rack!&#8221; &#8211;Yehuda Moon</p>
<p>So attentive MM readers, won&#8217;t you tell me a little about YOUR version of God?</p>
<p><img src="/DOCUME~1/James/LOCALS~1/Temp/moz-screenshot-18.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/2667347951_8043311d7e2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-4409" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/2667347951_8043311d7e2.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" /></a> <img src="/DOCUME~1/James/LOCALS~1/Temp/moz-screenshot-17.jpg" alt="" /></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/02/filtered-visions-by-reuben-collins/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>9</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

