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		<title>The Mormon Therapist on Interracial Marriage</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 06:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently I&#8217;ve been in contact with a girl by means of the internet. We haven&#8217;t met but plan to soon. I like her a lot. She has told me she loves me and wants to start a family with me. She isn&#8217;t a member of the church but said she is willing to join it if it means being with me.  I find her attractive, yes -but there are other factors as well. She is from a mixed race (half African, half White American). I know love can put aside all differences but at the same time this would cause stress on both of us. Not only culturally but children, my family (she has no family really), etc. Some of my family members are a little less open to other races as I am. I know family is something that can be dealt with but my family is very close. I was just wondering if there was some way to overcome this issue? I have openly told her about my feelings on these subjects and she doesn&#8217;t care. She is willing to wait for me to overcome my issues. I plan to go forward with our relationship and see how [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Recently I&#8217;ve been in contact with a girl by means of the internet. We haven&#8217;t met but plan to soon. I like her a lot. She has told me she loves me and wants to start a family with me.<br />
She isn&#8217;t a member of the church but said she is willing to join it if it means being with me.  I find her attractive, yes -but there are other factors as well.<br />
She is from a mixed race (half African, half White American). I know love can put aside all differences but at the same time this would cause stress on both of us. Not only culturally but children, my family (she has no family really), etc. Some of my family members are a little less open to other races as I am. I know family is something that can be dealt with but my family is very close. I was just wondering if there was some way to overcome this issue?<br />
I have openly told her about my feelings on these subjects and she doesn&#8217;t care. She is willing to wait for me to overcome my issues. I plan to go forward with our relationship and see how well we get along once we have met in person. I look forward to it.<br />
I have prayed concerning this and have felt good about it. I just still am struggling to overcome some of my anxiety over the subject. Am I wrong to worry about such things? Am I over thinking this?  Any advice would be appreciated. </em></p>
<p><span id="more-11940"></span>Finding love through the Internet is a new mating process that is increasing in popularity and has been for the past 10-20 years. As with any new process, we struggle to figure out its implications and &#8220;rules&#8221; of behavior as we embark on unchartered territory. One of the positives of the Internet is the decrease of geographical and cultural boundaries. This has a great impact on the &#8220;pool&#8221; available to those who are dating.  Our world today is much more global, as is our church, and people are meeting, falling in love or beginning friendships with those not of their culture, race or even religious faith at a much grander scale than ever before. There are many wonderful things about this &#8211; the main one being increased tolerance for others different from ourselves.<br />
However, as with anything, there are challenges that couples in interracial, intercultural, or interfaith relationships should be aware of as they make the decision to make a life together:</p>
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<li> Unfortunately there still remain many stereotypes or &#8220;attitudes&#8221; towards mixed race relationships &#8211; this can depend greatly on the geographical area you live in. The best way to deal with this issue is to see it as ignorance and un-Christlike behavior. It may take patience at times, the willingness to not be overly sensitive and the willingness to be a voice, example and educator to those around you. Be clear with friends and family members that if they want to enjoy the benefits of a relationship with you and your wife (if you were to get married), that any type of racism/bigotry will be addressed and not tolerated. Because of deep seeded beliefs/cultural bias, some people may not even be aware that their behavior is racist. That is why I encourage open communication before writing people off.</li>
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<li> With different cultures and faiths there usually come different traditions, parenting styles, conflict/problem-resolution styles and even romance styles. As with any relationship, communication will be a key element for success.</li>
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<li> It will be of great importance once children are born, to engender in them a sense of pride for all aspects of their ancestry and subsequent personhood (i.e. color of skin, cultural tradition and history, etc.). Sometimes within the same family, children may have different color shades of skin tone. Communication and normalizing of the family situation will be important in engendering strong self-esteem and a strong sense of family unity. It is also important to educate them on what they can expect from the outside world so that they are prepared to deal with insults or other ignorant behavior.</li>
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<p>Here are some thoughts in regards to your specific situation:</p>
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<li> It is normal to worry and &#8220;over think&#8221; when making the important decision as to your lifelong companion. In fact, it is good to be as objective as possible and be realistic about the pros and cons of the relationship. This is usually a difficult thing to do when we are &#8220;in love.&#8221; However, the more you discuss potential strengths and weaknesses as a couple, the more insight you will both receive as to your problem-solving styles, your compatibility, your attraction, your goals/dreams, etc. These are important things to be addressing during the dating process.</li>
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<li> I encourage you to take the relationship to the next level &#8211; that of meeting as you mention &#8211; and see how you feel about each other once you are able to spend more time with one another. There is no need to hurry or rush into any decision.</li>
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<li> Just because your love interest has &#8220;received an answer&#8221; and feels that you should marry, does not necessarily mean that this is your answer. It will be important for you to receive your own impressions and personal revelation regarding the decision as to whom you will marry.</li>
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<li> I would discourage any conversion process that is based solely on the desire to marry. Many not of our faith don&#8217;t always understand the commitment needed to legitimately become a convert.  Conversion into our religion takes doctrinal belief and personal commitment that this woman may not be completely aware of. I would hope also that from your perspective, it would be more important for her to convert sincerely if that is what she chooses at some point, than to just want her to convert due to family and/or LDS social pressure. Conversion should be a deeply personal, spiritual and largely individual journey with God.</li>
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<li> It is better to be aware of and recognize any cultural or racist biases you may have and be honest with yourself about them. In the desire many of us have not to be racist, we inadvertently hide uncomfortable feelings or thoughts (even from ourselves). To be able to overcome such thought processes we first need to identify them and how we want to progress. Asking ourselves the following questions may be helpful: Where do my biases come from? What lenses am I looking through (i.e. my parents?, my culture?, my education?) Are any of my biases based on evidence? Are they based on fear? Are they based on gospel teaching? How did Jesus Christ feel about and treat those of a different culture during His ministry? What can I learn from Him? How do my biases limit me? How do they protect me? Do I want this type of protection? How do I want to approach people of a different race, culture or faith? How do I want these same people to approach me?</li>
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<p>With all this being said, I want to be clear that whether or not we marry within the same race, religion or culture &#8211; the fact remains that the two families from which two individuals come from are, in of themselves, two different cultures. We take a lot for granted when marrying within &#8220;sameness&#8221; that many times does not meet expectations. People assume certain things because of the labels we engender. Then come to find out, assumptions are not realities. It is important regardless of who we marry to be aware of the &#8220;culture&#8221; our spouse comes from, the &#8220;culture&#8221; we come from and how we are to integrate the strengths and weaknesses we bring to the table to in turn create a new found culture within the bounds of our new family and home.</p>
<p>MM readers:<br />
What are your thoughts and feelings about interracial marriage?<br />
What are your thoughts and feelings about marrying outside of our faith?</p>
<p><em>Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and  Family      Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of  experience    working   with LDS members. Here she shares with us  representative    cases from  her  practice and insights she has gained  from her work as a    therapist.   She  blogs at <a href="http://mormontherapist.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">mormontherapist.blogspot.com</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>A Horrific Tale of Forgiveness</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really miss my book club, but I am participating in the Stay LDS Book Club.  The first book that we have decided to read is Left to Tell by Immaculee Ilibagiza.  It is her story of the Rwandan Genocide.  I previously discussed the movie Hotel Rwanda, describing the events from Paul Russebagina&#8217;s point of view.  Immaculee has an incredibly inspiring story as well.  The book is intensely moving. Growing up, Immaculee had no idea if she was a Hutu or a Tutsi.  Her parents had endured previous political unrest, and wanted to raise their children as if their tribe did not matter.  (It turns out she was a minority Tutsi.)  In 1994, this awful episode began, and she hid with 7 other women in a small bathroom.  She lost half her body weight, and spent literally 3 months praying.  (She is a Roman Catholic.)  The subtitle of the book is &#8220;Discovering God Amidst the Rwandan Holocaust&#8221;. She describes her attempt to forgive, even amidst this awful tragedy.  She describes a spiritual experience she had, while essentially witnessing a murder.  I don&#8217;t emotionally understand the experience, but I can slightly grasp it intellectually.  She describes hearing the murder of a Tutsi mother, and [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/LeftToTell.jpg"><img class="alignleft" title="Left To Tell" src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/LeftToTell.jpg" alt="" width="107" height="160" /></a>I really miss my book club, but I am participating in the <a href="http://staylds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=1560" target="_blank">Stay LDS Book Club</a>.  The first book that we have decided to read is <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/408615.Left_to_Tell_Discovering_God_Amidst_the_Rwandan_Holocaust" target="_blank">Left to Tell</a> by Immaculee Ilibagiza.  It is her story of the Rwandan Genocide.  I previously discussed the movie <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/28/movies-that-impacted-you/">Hotel Rwanda</a>, describing the events from Paul Russebagina&#8217;s point of view.  Immaculee has an incredibly inspiring story as well.  The book is intensely moving.</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-11839"></span>Growing up, Immaculee had no idea if she was a Hutu or a Tutsi.  Her parents had endured previous political unrest, and wanted to raise their children as if their tribe did not matter.  (It turns out she was a minority Tutsi.)  In 1994, this awful episode began, and she hid with 7 other women in a small bathroom.  She lost half her body weight, and spent literally 3 months praying.  (She is a Roman Catholic.)  The subtitle of the book is &#8220;Discovering God Amidst the Rwandan Holocaust&#8221;.</p>
<p>She describes her attempt to forgive, even amidst this awful tragedy.  She describes a spiritual experience she had, while essentially witnessing a murder.  I don&#8217;t emotionally understand the experience, but I can slightly grasp it intellectually.  She describes hearing the murder of a Tutsi mother, and her child left to die:</p>
<p>page 93-94,</p>
<blockquote><p>One night I heard screaming not far from the house, and then a baby crying.  The killers must have slain the mother and left her infant to die in the road.  The child wailed all night; by morning, its cries were feeble and sporadic, and by nightfall, it was silent.  I heard dogs snarling nearby and shivered as I thought about how that baby&#8217;s life had ended.  I prayed for God to receive the child&#8217;s innocent soul, and then I asked Him, How can I forgive people who would do such a thing to an infant?</p>
<p>I heard His answer as clearly as if we&#8217;d been sitting in the same room chatting: You are <span style="text-decoration: underline;">all </span>my children&#8230;and the baby is with Me now.</p>
<p>It was such a simple sentence, but it was the answer to the prayers I&#8217;d been lost in for days.</p>
<p>The killers were like children.  Yes, they were barbaric creatures who would have to be punished severely for their actions, but they were still children.  They were cruel, vicious, and dangerous, as kids sometimes can be, but nevertheless, they were children.  They saw, but didn&#8217;t understand the terrible harm they&#8217;d inflicted.  They&#8217;d blindly hurt others without thinking, they&#8217;d hurt their Tutsi brothers and sisters, they&#8217;d hurt God&#8211;and they didn&#8217;t understand how badly they were hurting themselves.  Their minds had been infected with the evil that had spread across the country, but their souls weren&#8217;t evil.  Despite their atrocities, they were children of God, and I could forgive a child, although it would not be easy&#8230;especially when that child was trying to kill me.</p>
<p>In God&#8217;s eyes, the killers were part of His family, deserving of love and forgiveness.  I knew that I couldn&#8217;t ask God to love me if I were unwilling to love His children.  At that moment, I prayed for the killers, for their sins to be forgiven.  I prayed that God would lead them to recognize the horrific error of their ways before their life on Earth ended&#8211;before they were called to acocunt for their mortal sins.</p>
<p>I held on to my father&#8217;s rosary and asked God to help me, and again I hear His voice: Forgive them, they know not what they do.</p>
<p>I took a crucial step toward forgiving the killers that day.  My anger was draining from me&#8211;I&#8217;d opened my heart to God, and He&#8217;d touched it with His infinite love.  For the first time, I pitied the killers.  I asked God to forgive their sins and turn their souls toward His beautiful light.</p>
<p>That night I prayed with a clear conscience and a clean haert.  For the first time since I entered the bathroom, I slept in peace.</p></blockquote>
<p>I still can&#8217;t fathom her capacity to forgive.  It is awe-inspiring to me.  After the war, she met the man (one of her neighbors), that killed her parents, stole their property, and burned her home to the ground.  Semana, the jailhouse guard allowed her to see him so she could spit on him if she wanted.  From page 204,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;He looted your parents&#8217; home and robbed your family&#8217;s plantation, Immaculee.  We found your dad&#8217;s farm machinery at his house, didn&#8217;t we?&#8221;  Semana yelled at Felicien.  &#8221;After he killed [your mother] Rose and [brother] Damascene, he kept looking for you&#8230;he wanted you dead so he could take over your property.  Didn&#8217;t you, pig?&#8221; Semana shouted again.</p>
<p>I flinched, letting out an involuntary gasp.  Semana looked at me, stunned by my reaction and confused by the tears streaming down my face.  He grabbed Felicien by the shirt collar and hauled him to his feet.  &#8221;What do you have to say to her?  What do you have to say to Immaculee?&#8221;</p>
<p>Felicien was sobbing.  I could feel his shame.  He looked up at me for only a moment, but our eyes met.  I reached out, touched his hands lightly, and quietly said what I&#8217;d come to say.</p>
<p>&#8220;I forgive you.&#8221;</p>
<p>My heart eased immediately, and I saw the tension release in Felicien&#8217;s shoulders before Semana pushed him out the door and into the courtyard.  Two soldiers yanked Felicien up by his armpits and dragged him back toward his cell.  When Semana returned, he was furious.</p>
<p>&#8220;What was that all about, Immaculee?&#8221;  that was the man who murdered your family.  I brought him to you to question&#8230;to spit on if you wanted to.  But you forgave him!  How could you do that?  Why did you forgive him?&#8221;</p>
<p>I answered him with all truth:  &#8221;Forgiveness is all I have to offer.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I never want to experience a tragedy so awful.  I truly admire Immaculee&#8217;s capacity to forgive; she is a tremendous example of a Christian.</p>
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		<title>A Schismatic End to the Mormon History Association meetings.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I attended the Mormon History Association meetings in Independence, Missouri this past week.  I thought I&#8217;d share some pictures.  If you&#8217;d like to read more about the conference, here are some links to my posts from Day 1, Day 2, and Day 3. CoC Independence Temple at Sunset All trip long, I have been looking forward to attending the Community of Christ Devotional at the Independence Temple.  The meeting began at 8:30 AM, and was a wonderful hour of singing and spoken word.  Professor Alex Baugh of BYU, and Apostle Susan Skoor of the Community of Christ CoC Apostle Susan Skoor gave background on many hymns written or revised by WW Phelps.  It was a truly inspiring meeting.  I haven’t enjoyed singing that much since I was in the MTC! Following the service, I went on a tour of the temple.  We visited the meditation chapel, as saw many beautiful sculptures inside the temple.  Unlike LDS temples, we were able to take photos everywhere except for the museum.  I was lucky enough to be led on a personal tour by Ron Romig, Community of Christ Director of the Kirtland Temple. Kirtland Temple Director Ron Romig Displayed in the museum were [...]]]></description>
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<dt>I attended the Mormon History Association meetings in Independence, Missouri this past week.  I thought I&#8217;d share some pictures.  If you&#8217;d like to read more about the conference, here are some links to my posts from <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/28/pres-veazey-and-john-hamer-highlights-of-mha-day-1/">Day 1</a>, <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/29/highlights-of-day-2-at-mha-trouble-in-zion-bushman-gordon-and-bringhurst-and-the-awards/">Day 2</a>, and <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/30/day-3-at-mha/">Day 3</a>.</dt>
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<p><span id="more-11470"></span>All trip long, I have been looking forward to attending the Community of Christ Devotional at the Independence Temple.  The meeting began at 8:30 AM, and was a wonderful hour of singing and spoken word.  Professor Alex Baugh of BYU, and Apostle Susan Skoor of the Community of Christ</p>
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<p>gave background on many hymns written or revised by WW Phelps.  It was a truly inspiring meeting.  I haven’t enjoyed singing that much since I was in the MTC!</p>
<p><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />Following the service, I went on a tour of the temple.  We visited the meditation chapel, as saw many beautiful sculptures inside the temple.  Unlike LDS temples, we were able to take photos everywhere except for the museum.  I was lucky enough to be led on a personal tour by Ron Romig, Community of Christ Director of the Kirtland Temple.</p>
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<p>Displayed in the museum were actual copies of 1830, 1837, and 1840 copies of the Book of Mormon, along with facsimiles of the printer’s manuscript.  The famous oil painting of Joseph and Emma were also there, along with photos of the previous 6 or 7 prophet/presidents of the Community of Christ.  It was truly fascinating.</p>
<p>Following the tour, I wanted to visit some of the other Restoration churches.  There are quite a few Restoration churches in the vicinity.  When Joseph designed the city of Independence, he had allocated 63 acres for 24 temples to be erected on 3 city blocks.  The original plan called for 12 temples for the Melchizedek Priesthood, and 12 temples for the Aaronic Priesthood.  These temples apparently were supposed to serve a more administrative role than for worship.  As you can imagine, many followers of Joseph Smith, both inside and outside the LDS and RLDS churches have clamored for this land.</p>
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<dt><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Temple-Lot2.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Temple-Lot2-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></dt>
<dd>Temple Lot Church Building</dd>
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<p>A group calling itself the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) actually owns the location for the spot where Joseph Smith said a temple should reside, and they have a church on that location now.  The RLDS owns a portion o fthe temple lot, where the Independence Temple resides, and the LDS church owns a visitor’s center and a stake center on part of the temple lot.</p>
<p>I really would like to attend some of these other Restorationist branches, so it was difficult for me to choose where to go.  I attended part of the service for the Church of Christ (Temple Lot), also known as the Hedrickites.  The group was founded by a man by the name of Granville Hedrick.  There is an article in the Journal of Mormon History outlining many legal battles between the Hedrickites and the RLDS church, with the Hedrickites prevailing.  I attended about 20 minutes of the service.  During the service, a baby was blessed, and I heard references to both the Bible and Book of Mormon.  I was late for the service, but I did not see a sacrament table, so I’m not sure if that was part of the service.</p>
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<dt><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Stone-church-2.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Stone-church-2-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></dt>
<dd>Stone Church</dd>
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<p>Wanting to visit a few other churches, I attended the Stone Church—the oldest church in Independence. The RLDS church began construction in 1873 and it was dedicated in 1888.  I arrived just in time for the last song and prayer.  The church had a balcony, similar to the Salt Lake Tabernacle.  The congregation stood during the last song, and I was so tall that I had to duck into the aisle to see the organist.  There were old wooden benches there, but they had cushions.</p>
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<dt><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Stone-Church-inside-2.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Stone-Church-inside-2-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></dt>
<dd>You can see the balcony and benches</dd>
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<p>I asked if I could take photos, and they said I could.  There were 3 beautiful stained glass windows: one showing Moroni, Joseph Smith, and</p>
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<dd>Moroni with Gold Plates and Book of Mormon</dd>
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<p>the Golden Plates, another showing Moses, Jesus, and the resurrection, and a third symbolizing the Trinity.  The people were extremely friendly, and it was nice to have one of the members take me on a mini-tour.</p>
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<dt><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Stone-Church-inside-3.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Stone-Church-inside-3-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></dt>
<dd>view of Pipe Organ and podium in Stone Church</dd>
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<p>Following that service, I noticed another Community of Christ church a short distance away.  I was surprised to learn that they had a Jazz band playing.  I recorded a few minutes of their last song!  (I tried to post it, but the file is too big&#8211;I&#8217;ll try to condense it somehow.)  They mentioned that the neighborhood was full of drugs and gangs, and they were trying to help citizens in the area avoid these problems.  They invited me back next week for a baby blessing, but I told them I had a plane to catch.</p>
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<dt><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/CoC-Jazz-church.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/CoC-Jazz-church-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></dt>
<dd>They have a Jazz band for church services</dd>
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<p>A friend told me that I really needed to attend the Cutlerite Church.  It was founded in 1853 by Alphaeus Cutler, who I believe is mentioned in the D&amp;C.  On my way there, I mistakenly thought this was a Cutlerite church.</p>
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<dd>Not sure of origins, but I&#8217;m pretty sure it is Mormon&#8211;I may call the number to find out</dd>
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<p>I knocked on the door, but nobody answered.</p>
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<dd>Bigger view of this &#8220;Restored&#8221; church</dd>
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<p>Just a few houses down was the real Cutlerite church.  My friend told me that the Cutlerites are the only group that still maintains an Endowment Ceremony, and it is conducted in the upstairs portion of this church.</p>
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<dt><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Cutlerite-sign.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Cutlerite-sign-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></dt>
<dd>founded by Alphaeus Cutler 1853</dd>
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<p>Apparently they only have about 10-15 people meet on a weekly basis.  The MHA pre-conference tour flooded them with about 50 interested participants.</p>
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<dt><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Cutlerite.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Cutlerite-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></dt>
<dd>Cutlerite Chapel</dd>
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<p>Unfortunately, I arrived too late: the doors were locked.  Here are a few photos, and I stuck my camera up to the door to peer into the chapel.</p>
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<dd>Cutlerite Chapel</dd>
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<p>As I looked at my map, I decided to try to find Lilburn W Boggs house.  Unfortunately, I never found it, but I did find another interesting church: the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Remnant-logo.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Remnant-logo-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>They meet across the street from the Independence Temple in a converted high school (formerly Crisman High School.)  I walked around the building, and discovered a man.  Apparently, they hold luncheons for the needy and homeless.  Their freezer had broken, so he was loading food into his van.  I asked him if I might be able to tour the building, and he reluctantly agreed.  His name is Arlo Stevenson.</p>
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<dt><a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Arlo-Stevenson-House-of-Aaron.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Arlo-Stevenson-House-of-Aaron-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></dt>
<dd>Arlo Stevenson of the House of Aaron</dd>
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<p>I learned that he is not a member of the Remnant Church, but his church has partnered with them to help out the needy.  The Remnant Church is a break-off from the RLDS church.  Arlo is a former member of the RLDS church, but has joined the House of Aaron, and I learned that this church has a branch about 50 miles west of Delta, Utah on the Utah/Nevada border.  Arlo showed me the Remnant Church offices, and then I learned that the Remnant Church has rented a room for the House of Aaron to hold meetings.  I purchased a “Sunday School” manual, and I hope to do a future post on the House of Aaron.</p>
<p>I also ran into some interesting people.  I had a nice chat on Saturday night with Paul Savage, Apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Elijah message.  He is from Independence as well, and has a small congregation.  I had recently purchased <a href="http://www.johnwhitmerbooks.com/books/details_SOS.asp" target="_blank">Scattering of the Saints</a> by John Hamer<a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Joseph-Smith-and-John-Hamer.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Joseph-Smith-and-John-Hamer-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>and Newell Bringhurst, and he pointed to the cover to his name.  I said, “Wow, I thought these were all dead people.”</p>
<p>“I’m not dead!” he exclaimed.  He was a really interesting person.  We didn’t have much time to chat, but I got his email address and hope to discuss this group further as I learn more.</p>
<p>I also took my picture with 2 apostles from the Community of Christ:  Andrew Bolton and Susan Skoor.  Here is Elder Marlin Jensen, Historian for the LDS church.  <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Elder-Marlin-Jensen-LDS-His.jpg"><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Elder-Marlin-Jensen-LDS-His-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>I was pleased to meet many authors including John Hamer, Newell Bringhurst, Kathy Daines, Rick Turley (asst LDS Church Historian), and Greg Prince.  It was a real blast—I remarked to some that Independence felt a bit like Mormon Disneyland to me.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guest Post by Non-Arab Arab BiV&#8217;s recent post &#8220;Sod, Seed, Salvation: Abrahamic Covenant and the Claim to Palestine&#8221; brought me out of my normal lurking.  Modern Palestine and what I firmly believe to be the erroneous interpretation most members of the church have regarding events there always riles me up.  Usually I do the smart thing and bite my lip, but every once in a while I choose to enter the fray in full combat mode.  As I&#8217;ve found on most issues of debate, it doesn&#8217;t really matter how right I think I am the noise of the argument rarely does more than highlight who already believes what.  So my wish here is not to re-argue the questions of Palestine which I&#8217;ve already done enough of on this blog.  Instead, I&#8217;d like to talk about shoes.  No, not the famous Arab shoes, rather walking a mile in another&#8217;s shoes. Most American (and many non-American) Mormons grow up with an instinctive ability to walk in a modern Zionists&#8217; shoes [for those less familiar with the terminology, I prefer to use the term Zionist as opposed to Israeli as it better captures the political movement that supports the Israeli state on an [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Guest Post by Non-Arab Arab</em></strong></p>
<p>BiV&#8217;s recent post &#8220;<a href="../../../../../2010/02/10/sod-seed-salvation-abrahamic-covenant-and-the-claim-to-palestine/" target="_blank">Sod, Seed, Salvation: Abrahamic Covenant and the Claim to Palestine</a>&#8221; brought me out of my normal lurking.  Modern Palestine and what I firmly believe to be the erroneous interpretation most members of the church have regarding events there always riles me up.  Usually I do the smart thing and bite my lip, but every once in a while I choose to enter the fray in full combat mode.  As I&#8217;ve found on most issues of debate, it doesn&#8217;t really matter how right I think I am the noise of the argument rarely does more than highlight who already believes what.  So my wish here is not to re-argue the questions of Palestine which I&#8217;ve already done enough of on this blog.  Instead, I&#8217;d like to talk about shoes.  No, not <a href="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2007/02/to-throw-shoe-or-not-to-throw-shoe.html" target="_blank">the famous Arab shoes</a>, rather walking a mile in another&#8217;s shoes.<span id="more-9836"></span></p>
<p>Most American (and many non-American) Mormons grow up with an instinctive ability to walk in a modern Zionists&#8217; shoes [for those less familiar with the terminology, I prefer to use the term Zionist as opposed to Israeli as it better captures the political movement that supports the Israeli state on an international and local basis, and it captures pre- and post-1948 dynamics].  There is a pseudo-scriptural modern narrative that seems to easily link Jewish, Christian and LDS-specific views of the Abrahamic Covenant to modern Zionism.  Orson Hyde&#8217;s 1840s visit to Palestine and several subsequent visits by church leaders over the course of the 19th and 20th centuries seem to further fit neatly into that narrative, with a number of statements from church leaders that come across as clearly pro-Zionist.  Then there is the fact that the leaders of modern Zionism have been overwhelmingly Europeans with a very western mode of communicating (and in western languages much of the time) that is easier for American Mormons to relate to.  And sealing it all up there is the manner in which the Zionist version of events is almost the only one heard in American media, literature and entertainment, and it comes across sounding very neat, clean, and heroic.  It sounds to most like a clear cut case of good and evil, and it all makes it so very easy to sympathize with Zionism growing up as a Mormon and especially as an American Mormon.</p>
<p>I grew up with that narrative.  I was an unusually political teenager.  John Birch-style anti-Communist crusading and religious-political support for Zionism were two of my big shticks.  The morality of it all seemed clear as daylight, the religious tie-ins to my LDS faith felt unassailable.  I lapped up <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=leon+uris+exodus&amp;x=0&amp;y=0" target="_blank">Leon Uris&#8217; &#8220;Exodus&#8221;</a> like it was the Bible itself.  But then something changed.  I got to BYU.  I decided to make these and related issues a major focus of my studies.  I won&#8217;t bore you with all the details, but in a nutshell what happened over the years to follow was that in seeking to prove what I already believed was right, I ended up seeing things from the other side&#8217;s point of view as well.  I walked a mile in a Palestinian&#8217;s shoes, and my view of things was never the same again.</p>
<p>Now, perhaps I&#8217;m not being generous enough to humanity as a whole in separating Mormons out on this count, but I have always believed that one of the most wonderful &#8216;weaknesses&#8217; of Mormons is that we&#8217;re so darn nice.  I mean, obviously that&#8217;s a gross over-generalization.  But as long as I&#8217;m already in that realm, I do feel like our basic doctrines that say that we&#8217;re all children of God with eternal worth and potential, means we have a really hard time dismissing other people when placed face to face with them.  We may dislike people, we may get as caught up as other people in political and philosophical movements that make us theoretically despise other people, but somehow when we&#8217;re placed face to face, those of us who have a real belief in those core doctrines of the worth of souls feel an obligation to not utterly dismiss as worthless the person on the other side even if we find much about them obnoxious. And it is that part of your Mormon-ness I wish to appeal to today in regards to Palestine.  I don&#8217;t ask you to accept all my views (which can be somewhat seen in <a href="../../../../../2010/02/10/sod-seed-salvation-abrahamic-covenant-and-the-claim-to-palestine/#comments" target="_blank">the voluminous comments I left on BiV&#8217;s previous post</a>), but I would like to ask: will you as a Mormon walk a mile in a Palestinian&#8217;s shoes?</p>
<p>Obviously very few people can actually go live in <a href="http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10644.shtml" target="_blank">the forced exile of a Lebanese Palestinian refugee camp</a> or experience <a href="http://ingaza.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">life under Zionist siege in Gaza</a>, but if you have any interest in what&#8217;s going on, even a superficial interest, you can choose to read things from the other bank of the river at least occasionally.  I&#8217;d like to give you some suggestions on what you can read.  If you say you simply don&#8217;t agree with it up front, all I ask is that you suspend your judgment and listen to your Palestinian brothers and sisters.  See their tears, hear their stories with a clear mental slate, ask how it feels to be them.  God could just as easily have chosen you to have been born in their place after all.  Walk in their shoes from time to time, and when these issues hit the news and you get curious, make a point of saying &#8220;how can I make sure I see how this looks from the other side too?&#8221;</p>
<p>So, below I&#8217;m going to give three different types of links.  As I imagine many readers of this blog are more inclined to literature and the personal angle, I will first give some glimpses of the world of Palestinian literature and a few other related cultural tidbits.  As I imagine others are more into seeing the nitty-gritty facts, I&#8217;ll then give some links to the counter-facts which show that history looks quite different when viewed without the Zionist prism.  And lastly, I&#8217;ll give some links for sources one can regularly follow in English to see how the story in the present looks very different from the Palestinian side versus the Zionist or standard American side.</p>
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<p><strong>LINKS 1: LITERATURE FROM THE PERSONAL SIDE</strong></p>
<p>*<strong>The works of Ghassan Kanafani</strong>, especially his short stories and short novels &#8220;Land of the Sad Oranges&#8221;, &#8220;Men in the Sun&#8221;, &#8220;Letter from Gaza&#8221;, and &#8220;Return to Haifa&#8221; (the latter story was one of the first stories in Arab literature to deal with Zionists as three-dimensional human characters).  The two collections I link two below contain a nice and well-translated selection of his works.  When Kanafani was murdered by a Zionist car bomb in Beirut along with his niece in 1972 (incidentally, the man had never been involved in any military action in his life, he was a writer pure and simple), the world lost one of the finest rising authors in the Arabic language of the time.  Kanafani upset many people on all sides of the ideological divide because he insisted on portraying the Palestinian situation as it was really lived, with all the emotion experienced at a personal level, regardless of the political implications that human portrayal might have.  Reading his stories one feels the utter despondency of a father unable to care for his family having been shoved across the border with only the things they could carry, the desperation of trying to sneak across the borders in the Gulf in search of work but unacknowledged as a human because of having been born Palestinian, the inner turmoil of deciding between emigration to the west in search of a better material life versus staying in the squalor of Gaza to stay true to the people who need you there.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Men-Sun-Other-Palestinian-Stories/dp/0894108573/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265974999&amp;sr=8-1"><img class="alignnone" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KN2XAA78L._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" />http://www.amazon.com/Men-Sun-Other-Palestinian-Stories/dp/0894108573/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265974999&amp;sr=8-1</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Palestines-Children-Returning-Haifa-Stories/dp/0894108905/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265974999&amp;sr=8-2"><img class="alignnone" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fDx69ncCL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" />http://www.amazon.com/Palestines-Children-Returning-Haifa-Stories/dp/0894108905/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265974999&amp;sr=8-2</a></p>
<p>(Incidentally, &#8220;Return to Haifa&#8221; was one of the first full &#8211; admittedly short &#8211; novels I ever read in Arabic)</p>
<p>*<strong>Emile Habiby&#8217;s &#8220;Pessoptimist&#8221; or &#8220;The Secret Life of Said&#8221;</strong>.  Ghassan Kanafani wrote from the exile&#8217;s perspective, Emile Habiby wrote from the perspective of those few Palestinians who survived the ethnic cleansing to live on in what became Israel.  He writes in a satirical format about his now famous character Said who simply never can quite understand what&#8217;s going on around him, sometimes cooperating with the Israeli authorities, sometimes becoming an accidental Palestinian hero, but always stuck in a confused limbo, and always in his naïveté noticing the way things really are.  This has been made into a popular Arabic play as well, and was translated and widely read in Hebrew over the years.  Habiby embodies the plight and struggles of the &#8220;48 Arabs&#8221; as they call themselves as few others have managed to do, and does so with a wry, bitter humor that is hard not to enjoy.  Habiby has somehow managed to gain the respect of Hebrew and Arabic reading audiences and definitely mine.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&amp;sort=relevancerank&amp;search-alias=books&amp;field-author=Emile%20Habiby"><img class="alignnone" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41A53QVTPJL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" />http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&amp;sort=relevancerank&amp;search-alias=books&amp;field-author=Emile%20Habiby</a></p>
<p><strong>*The comic genius of Naji al-Ali and Handhala</strong>.  Palestine&#8217;s national cartoonist, discovered by Ghassan Kanafani who saw his work while visiting Ain al-Hilweh refugee camp and first published in the magazine &#8220;Freedom&#8221; in Lebanon in 1961.  He subsequently moved to Kuwait in 1963 and his character Handhala appeared in 1969.  In 1973 Handhala turned his back on his viewers, permanently frozen at 10 years of age (the age Naji was when his family was ethnically cleansed) and refusing to turn his face back to the world until he returned home.  Naji al-Ali was assassinated by an unknown hand in London in 1987, some have pointed to Yasser Arafat as a potential culprit, but Handhala has gained immortal status in Palestinian and Arab eyes as the embodiment of Palestinians&#8217; hopes and pains.  Go through the cartoons on the website (feel free to <a href="mailto:nonarab.arab@gmail.com">email me</a> if you want translations).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.najialali.com/images/arti_2/naji_a4.jpg"></a><a href="http://www.najialali.com/"><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.najialali.com/images/arti_2/naji_a4.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="154" />http://www.najialali.com/</a></p>
<p>*<strong>Joe Sacco&#8217;s &#8220;Palestine&#8221;</strong>.  I&#8217;m going to be lazy here and simply quote the Amazon product description because I think it encapsulates the book better than I can (other than to say, this is an excellent book for understanding life on the ground in the Occupied Territories if you can&#8217;t actually be there &#8212; although things have gotten much worse since this was written based on experiences almost 20 years ago now): &#8220;Based on several months of research and an extended visit to the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the early 1990s (where he conducted over 100 interviews with Palestinians and Jews), <em>Palestine</em> was the first major comics work of political and historical nonfiction by Sacco, who has often been called the first comic book journalist.  Sacco&#8217;s insightful reportage takes place at the front lines, where busy marketplaces are spoiled by shootings and tear gas, soldiers beat civilians with reckless abandon, and roadblocks go up before reporters can leave. Sacco interviewed and encountered prisoners, refugees, protesters, wounded children, farmers who had lost their land, and families who had been torn apart by the Palestinian conflict.  In 1996, the Before Columbus Foundation awarded <em>Palestine</em> the seventeenth annual American Book Award, stating that the author should be recognized for his &#8220;outstanding contribution to American literature,&#8221; while his publisher, Fantagraphics, is &#8220;to be honored for their commitment to quality and their willingness to take risks that accompany publishing outstanding books and authors that may not prove &#8216;cost-effective&#8217; in the short run.&#8221;"  This brief review is also a good summation of the book: <a href="http://mobookblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/palestine-by-joe-sacco.html" target="_blank">http://mobookblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/palestine-by-joe-sacco.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Joe-Sacco/dp/156097432X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265976394&amp;sr=1-1"><img class="alignnone" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2B0fwD9DeL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" />http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Joe-Sacco/dp/156097432X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265976394&amp;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p><strong>LINKS 2: THE HISTORY SEEN FROM THE OTHER SIDE</strong></p>
<p>*<strong>Ilan Pappe&#8217;s &#8220;The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine&#8221;.</strong> One simply cannot properly understand what drives the conflict today without understanding what happened in 1948.  Israeli historian Ilan Pappe digs into the Israeli archives, press accounts of the era, international organizations accounts, British colonial records, and a few primary and secondary Arabic sources including survivor&#8217;s stories (not nearly enough, but in any case the Israeli and international accounts prove more than sufficient to make the key points anyhow) from the fateful years of 1948 and 1949.  What emerges is an entirely different picture than the Zionist narrative and almost perfectly in line with what Palestinians have said for over 60 years now actually happened.  The title of the book is clear enough in stating what happened, and it comes straight from the records kept by men like Ben Gurion himself in addition to countless eyewitnesses.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265976754&amp;sr=8-1"><img class="alignnone" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ITRx5W-CL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" />http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265976754&amp;sr=8-1</a></p>
<p>*<strong>Walid Khalidi&#8217;s &#8220;All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948&#8243;.</strong> This is primarily a reference work, but it&#8217;s an easy one to spend time skimming through as it has lots of pictures.  Khalidi is one of the foremost scholars of Palestine up to it&#8217;s destruction by the Zionists in 1948 and meticulously goes through the over 400 villages they ethnically cleansed in 48/49.  Pictures of the remaining ruins, descriptions of who lived there and population statistics, when the villages were founded, land ownership, houses of worship, current status of the land and properties, how the actual acts of ethnic cleansing were carried out, etc.  You may have visited Israel and noticed old ruined houses or fallow farmland or agricultural terraces in lots of places.  Israelis act like they&#8217;re not there or &#8220;ancient&#8221; remnants to have biblical ponderings over.  The truth is much darker, these are ghost towns that were inhabited just a few decades ago and whose residents still live often just a few miles away and want nothing more than to just go home, fix and rebuild, and live in peace again in the places they are from.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/All-That-Remains-Palestinian-Depopulated/dp/0887283063/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265976717&amp;sr=1-1"><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.webgaza.net/images/palestine/books/All_That_Remains.jpg" alt="" width="112" height="150" /> http://www.amazon.com/All-That-Remains-Palestinian-Depopulated/dp/0887283063/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265976717&amp;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p>*<strong>Palestine Remembered: </strong><strong><a href="http://www.palestineremembered.com/" target="_blank">http://www.palestineremembered.com/</a></strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.palestineremembered.com/"><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.palestineremembered.com/images/AhmadElaian86.jpg" alt="" width="165" height="110" /></a>Think of it almost as an online version of what Walid Khalidi has tried to do, archiving records of what Palestine was and is today.  Each district, city, and village is catalogued, and (one of the best parts) personal stories from life in those areas and where its refugees are today are often found.  Unfortunately one of the best parts of the site &#8211; oral history videos of the survivors of the 1948 ethnic cleansing &#8211; only has Arabic audio, though hopefully they&#8217;ll be able to find the resources to translate and subtitle eventually.  The site is a great resource and along with Khalidi&#8217;s seminal work reminds the world what the Palestinians always knew was a Zionist myth: the land was never empty, Palestinian society was thriving and vibrant until it was violently burned down to its foundations in 1948/9.</p>
<p>*<strong>Kathleen Christison&#8217;s &#8220;Perceptions of Palestine&#8221;.</strong> I&#8217;m going to crib another book review that does the job better than me from <a href="http://mobookblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/perceptions-of-palestine-their.html" target="_blank">http://mobookblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/perceptions-of-palestine-their.html</a> &#8220;Former CIA analyst Kathleen Christison looks at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from an often ignored but vital angle: how the conflict is viewed by US policymakers. Starting in the late 19th century and going US administration by US administration, she examines how Washington&#8217;s policies have been a critical factor in the development of the conflict. In effect, she lays out how this is not a binary Israeli-Palestinian problem, but in fact a triangle involving the Palestinians, Israelis, and Americans. A century of deep sympathy for the Israeli perspective, but near constant ignoring and denigration of the Palestinian viewpoint in Washington has helped to fuel rather than calm the conflict in the Holy Land. For American readers who wonder why the United States often gets so much blame in the Arab world for what happens to the Palestinians, this book is a clear-eyed explanation of the issue.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Perceptions-Palestine-Influence-Updated-Afterword/dp/0520217187/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265980633&amp;sr=1-1"><img class="alignnone" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51V033HNTJL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" />http://www.amazon.com/Perceptions-Palestine-Influence-Updated-Afterword/dp/0520217187/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1265980633&amp;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p><strong>LINKS 3: SOURCES FOR FOLLOWING CURRENT EVENTS FROM THE PALESTINIAN &amp; NON-ZIONIST VIEW</strong></p>
<p>*<strong>The Electronic Intifada </strong><a href="http://electronicintifada.net/" target="_blank"><strong>http://electronicintifada.net/</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://electronicintifada.net/"><img class="alignleft" src="http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/uploads/2/100129-mcintyre.jpg" alt="" width="158" height="88" /></a>Founded by Ali Abunimah, a Chicagoan of Palestinian refugee descent, the site has become probably the foremost representative of the Palestinian viewpoint in English.  Gathering not just excellent writers and op-eds, but on-the-ground human stories from throughout the Palestinian world, Palestinian culture, top-notch analysis of current events, advocacy of a single-state solution with equality for Jews and Arabs and the right of return for every Palestinian, equal-opportunity criticism of Arab rulers alongside Zionists, extensive coverage of the growing international BDS (Boycott-Divestment-Sanctions) and Right of Return movements, and in general a great pulse for the views many Palestinians have of events as they unfold.</p>
<p>*<strong>Ma&#8217;an News Agency </strong><a href="http://www.maannews.net/eng/Default.aspx" target="_blank"><strong>http://www.maannews.net/eng/Default.aspx</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.maannews.net/eng/Default.aspx" target="&quot;_blank&quot;"></a><a href="http://www.maannews.net/"><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.maannews.net/eng/images/design/NewDesign_17.jpg" alt="" width="217" height="54" /></a>The leading independent Palestinian news agency (i.e., not in the pockets of Fatah, Hamas, or Israel &#8212; or at least one hopes so, their reporting as I have seen it would back up their independence).  They publish in English, Arabic, and Hebrew (though their Hebrew site seems to be undergoing a redesign at present).  You&#8217;ll see all sorts of news here you&#8217;d never see reported in the American press.  Follow it even casually and you&#8217;ll quickly start to understand how completely misleading the American and Israeli media are about actual events on the ground.</p>
<p>*<strong>Zochrot: </strong><a href="http://www.zochrot.org/index.php?lang=english" target="_blank"><strong>http://www.zochrot.org/index.php?lang=english</strong></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.zochrot.org/index.php" target="&quot;_blank&quot;"></a><a href="http://www.zochrot.org/"><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.zochrot.org/images/logo.jpg" alt="" width="138" height="69" /></a>One of the very few Israeli groups actively working to get Zionists to realize what they did to the Palestinians in 1948/9 and in very practical ways.  If you ever visit Israel, you should definitely look these people up and see if you can join one of their walking tours of destroyed Palestinian villages where they often bring survivors back to talk about life in the villages, put up signs marking where destroyed churches/mosques/schools/municipal buildings/homes/etc. once were, and often bump into the present Israeli squatters who frequently turn very irate for having these facts pointed out to them.  Zochrot&#8217;s goal is the same as mine: a single state where all are treated equally, where the wrongs of the past are acknowledged, the right of return implemented, and a new system of legal equality established.  The difference is, they&#8217;re on the ground, being told they are traitors by many in their own society, but pressing bravely forward anyways with a wide variety of educational activities.  Worth checking their site from time to time to see what they&#8217;re up to.</p>
<p>*<strong>The Angry Arab News Service / </strong><strong>وكالة أنباء العربي الغاضب</strong><strong> </strong><a href="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><strong>http://angryarab.blogspot.com/</strong></a></p>
<p><a href="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/"><img class="alignleft" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/1810/706/1600/z/251138/gse_multipart13719.jpg" alt="" width="151" height="117" /></a>You probably need to have a similar acidic sense of humor as I do (which I blame on serving a mission in London and at least one BYU professor&#8217;s influence on me who shall go un-named), and you definitely need to go with UC Stanislaus Professor As&#8217;ad Abukhalil&#8217;s many many quirks, but the man has become a blogging cult phenomenon for good reason.  He focuses his blogging heavily on Palestinian issues and usually just does short links (many every day) with sharp comments, but he occasionally goes into longer (non-paragraphed) critiques and analyses of different topics related to Palestine and broader issues of the Arab world.  He can be hard to follow at first, and his views (he&#8217;s a hardcore leftist atheist) may often be ones you disagree with, but follow him on an even semi-regular basis and you will learn incredible amounts about Palestine and the Arab world.  What makes him so valuable among other things is the way he is one of the few public academic figures who fully straddles the Arab and English speaking worlds (and I believe his French isn&#8217;t bad either, though I don&#8217;t think he really writes much in French).  His weekly column in Lebanon&#8217;s leading paper al-Akhbar is eagerly read (and far less flippant than his blog but no less biting and to the point) by many throughout the Arab world, and he manages to regularly follow and comment on sources on both sides of the linguistic divide.  With his growing following he has also gained a wide network of contacts who frequently send him unique information.  And if your sense of humor is even as vaguely ironic as his, the man&#8217;s a riot.  He&#8217;s not Palestinian, but is frequently mistaken for one by friends and enemies and takes it as a badge of honor.</p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>I could go on for a lot longer and undoubtedly have already put many of you to sleep.  But if you have a genuine interest in the topic of Palestine/Israel &#8211; as most Mormons inherently even if only tangentially do &#8211; I&#8217;d ask you to bookmark the references I&#8217;ve given, and go them when your questions come up.  If you&#8217;re really into digging deeper, feel free to <a href="mailto:nonarab.arab@gmail.com">drop me an email</a>, I&#8217;m always happy to point people to more resources.  The issues surrounding Palestine are such that one must wade through the extraordinarily complex to discover at the end there&#8217;s an amazingly simple set of guiding principles behind it all.  In a Gospel sense, my belief is that the Zionist violation of the basic commandments of &#8220;thou shalt not steal&#8221; and &#8220;thou shalt not covet&#8221; are the root cause of the conflict, that the conflict is inherently modern and not ancient, and that the solution is really quite straightforward: civic equality for all in a manner similar to that which I believe the Lord inspired as a principle in the US Constitution and many other civic-based democracies around the world.</p>
<p>You may not agree with me on those points, but you&#8217;re a Mormon, you know if you knew any Palestinians personally you&#8217;d feel an overwhelming urge to bring them a plate of cookies and listen to their stories if they broke down in tears in front of you.  So even though you may not be able to meet them in person, when the topic comes up, tap that Mormon urge to empathize and at least listen to what the other side is saying, I hope I&#8217;ve given you a few useful pointers for doing so.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #7 Sod, seed, and salvation &#8212; it&#8217;s how I like to describe the Abrahamic Covenant. There were three promises in the covenant. The first was a land promise, where the Lord gave Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. The second was the promise of a great and numerous posterity. And the third was the blessing of the everlasting Gospel: the priesthood and the promise of exaltation, to come to the world through Abraham&#8217;s lineage. (see Genesis 17)  But just look at how often the covenant was renewed! Several times with Abraham in Genesis 12, Genesis 15, Genesis 17 With Isaac in Genesis 26 With Jacob in Genesis 28 With Joseph in Genesis 49 Not only that, but you may be surprised to learn that this covenant consisting of a land promise, a posterity promise, and a gospel of salvation promise was also given to Moses and the children of Israel in Exodus 6 David in 2 Samuel 7 and, though we call it the Abrahamic Covenant, the same covenant was made even earlier, with Adam in Genesis 3 Enoch and Noah in Genesis 9, Gen 9:21-25 JST Finally, if you&#8217;ve read [...]]]></description>
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<p>Sod, seed, and salvation &#8212; it&#8217;s how I like to describe the Abrahamic Covenant.  There were three promises in the covenant.  The first was a land promise, where the Lord gave Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. The second was the promise of a great and numerous posterity.  And the third was the blessing of the everlasting Gospel: the priesthood and the promise of exaltation, to come to the world through Abraham&#8217;s lineage.  (see <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/17/">Genesis 17</a>)  But just look at how often the covenant was renewed!<span id="more-9801"></span></p>
<ul><a style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;" href="http://www.godsplanforall.org/images/other/Abraham%20Stars.JPG"><img src="http://www.godsplanforall.org/images/other/Abraham%20Stars.JPG" border="0" alt="" width="194" height="320" /></a></p>
<li>Several times with Abraham in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+12%3A1-3&amp;do=Search">Genesis 12</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+15%3A5%2C6%2C7%2C17&amp;do=Search">Genesis 15</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+17%3A2-11&amp;do=Search">Genesis 17</a></li>
<li>With Isaac in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+26%3A3-5&amp;do=Search">Genesis 26</a></li>
<li>With Jacob in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+28%3A13-15&amp;do=Search">Genesis 28</a></li>
<li>With Joseph in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+49%3A22-26&amp;do=Search">Genesis 49</a></li>
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<p>Not only that, but you may be surprised to learn that this covenant consisting of a land promise, a posterity promise, and a gospel of salvation promise was also given to</p>
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<li>Moses and the children of Israel in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=exodus+6%3A3-8&amp;do=Search">Exodus 6</a></li>
<li>David in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+sam+7%3A10%2C+12%2C+15%2C+16&amp;do=Search">2 Samuel 7</a></li>
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<p>and, though we call it the Abrahamic Covenant, the same covenant was made even earlier, with</p>
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<li>Adam in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=gen+3%3A+16%2C+17%2C+21&amp;do=Search">Genesis 3 </a></li>
<li>Enoch and Noah in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=genesis+9%3A7-11&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=genesis+9%3A7-11&amp;do=Search&amp;show=%0D%0A%0D%0A">Genesis 9</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/3">Gen 9:21-25 JST</a></li>
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<p>Finally, if you&#8217;ve read this week&#8217;s <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8314c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Sunday School lesson</a>, you&#8217;ll know that the Abrahamic Covenant is made with faithful members of the Church today, as promised in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=d%26c+132%3A30-32&amp;do=Search">D&amp;C 132</a>.</p>
<p>But when speaking of the Abrahamic Covenant, we might well consider the claim of Abraham&#8217;s firstborn son, Ishmael, his alleged descendants, and the ongoing conflict over the land of Canaan. I think it is interesting that the claims of both Palestinians and Israelis can be distilled into sod, seed, and salvation claims. Before you jump to a conclusion about how the argument over Palestine/Israel should be solved, let&#8217;s look at these with an open mind.</p>
<h4><strong>Sod: The Land Claim</strong></h4>
<p>Jewish claims to the land of Israel are based on the fact that this was the historical site and native site of the Jewish kingdom of Israel. There were always large communities of Jews in Israel, and the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. Palestinian Arabs&#8217; claims to the land are also based on continuous residence in the country for hundreds of years. The land was originally &#8220;Arab&#8221; land taken from its native inhabitants by invading Jews, they say.  Who&#8217;s right?  Let&#8217;s see: <small> </small></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong> </span>It was the British who exercised sovereign authority in Palestine under a League of Nations mandate for thirty years prior to Israel&#8217;s declaration of independence in 1948.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>But the territory was Turkish land, a province of the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years until the British wrested it from them during the Great War in 1917.<br />
</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> If you look back earlier in history than the Ottoman Turks, who took over Palestine over in 1517, you find it under the sovereignty of the yet another empire not indigenous to Palestine: the Mamluks, who were Turkish and Circassian slave-soldiers headquartered in Egypt. In 1250 they took Palestine over from:<br />
</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Ayyubi dynasty, the descendants of Saladin, the Kurdish Muslim leader who in 1187 took Jerusalem and most of Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The European Christian Crusaders, who in 1099 conquered Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Seljuk Turks, who ruled Palestine in the name of:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad, which in 750 took over the sovereignty of the entire Near East from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Umayyad Caliphate of Damascus, which in 661 inherited control of the Islamic lands from</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Arabs of Arabia, who in the first flush of Islamic expansion conquered Palestine in 638 from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Byzantines, who (nice people—perhaps it should go to them?) didn&#8217;t conquer the Levant, but, upon the division of the Roman Empire in 395, inherited Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Romans, who in 63 B.C. took it over from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The last Jewish kingdom, which during the Maccabean rebellion from 168 to 140 B.C. won control of the land from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Hellenistic Greeks, who under Alexander the Great in 333 B.C. conquered the Near East from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Persian empire, which under Cyrus the Great in 639 B.C. freed Jerusalem and Judah from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Babylonian empire, which under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. took Jerusalem and Judah from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Jews, meaning the people of the Kingdom of Judah, who, in their earlier incarnation as the Israelites, seized the land in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Canaanites, who had inhabited the land for thousands of years before they were dispossessed by the Israelites. <span style="color: #000000;">(from</span> </span><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202907/posts">Lawrence Auster</a>)</p>
<p>This brings us to our second point. The Hebrew Torah clearly shows that the Jews seized the land from the Canaanites. Can we go back into history and discover who the descendants of these ancient native peoples are?</p>
<h4><strong>Seed: The Descent Claim</strong></h4>
<p><a href="http://www.freearabvoice.org/articles/TheArabIdentityofPalestine.htm">Ibrahim Alloush </a>describes the descent claim of the Palestinians as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Arab identity of Palestine emanates not from the Islamic conquest, but with the Canaanites who came into Palestine from the shores of the Arabian Peninsula around 2500 BC, and who had sovereignty over the land until about 1000 BC. Hence Palestine was called the Land of Canaanites, until the Philistines came from the island of Crete and intermarried with the Canaanites to melt peacefully into them leaving only the name behind: Palestine. The ancient Hebrews were indeed part of the peoples of the region but they came into Palestine (the Land of the Canaanites) as invaders.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Those making this claim point out that descendants of the Canaanites/Philistines (ancient Arabs) have maintained a continuous presence in the land throughout history. Others say that the archaeological evidence disproves this. There is no record of the Canaanites surviving their destruction in ancient times. Prior to 1964 there was no &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; people and no &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; claim to Palestine; prior to the founding of the state of Israel in 1948, the name &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; referred to the <em>Jews</em> of Palestine.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Jews have their own problems proving literal descent. For example, <a href="http://pulsemedia.org/2009/04/16/shlomo-sand/">Shlomo Sand</a> insists that Diaspora Jews descend from converts and have no ethnic link to ancient Israel. In addition, human rights groups <a href="http://aboriginalrights.suite101.com/article.cfm/israeli_native_title">make the point</a> that no other indigenous or aboriginal peoples on the planet are granted the same consideration as the Jews. But there is one other consideration being used to make a claim for the land.</p>
<h4><strong>Salvation: The Religious Claim</strong></h4>
<p>According to the Torah, <em>Eretz Yisrael</em> was promised to the Abraham and his descendants. Muslims believe that since Abraham&#8217;s son Ishmael is the forefather of the Arabs, then God&#8217;s promise of the land to the children of Abraham includes Arabs as well. The prophet Muhammed passed through Jerusalem on his first journey to heaven, and all of the land of Israel is designated as Islamic &#8220;Waqf&#8221; which implies it must be governed by Muslims.</p>
<p>Israelis insist that the covenant was renewed with Abraham&#8217;s son Isaac and the inheritance was passed through his line to the Jews. They made Jerusalem a holy city over three thousand years ago have remained steadfast to it. They pray in its direction, mention its name constantly in prayers, close the Passover service with the wistful statement &#8220;Next year in Jerusalem,&#8221; and recall the city in the blessing at the end of each meal. The destruction of the Temple is still an event commemorated by a special day of mourning, houses left partially unfinished, a woman&#8217;s makeup or jewelry left incomplete, a glass smashed during the wedding ceremony. Christians identify with the Jews&#8217; love of Israel in many ways. The plaintive sound of Psalm 137 is reinforced in many of our hymns: &#8220;By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.&#8221; This sympathy has been apparent in modern reactions to the conflict over Israel.</p>
<p>In attempting to keep this post from being unwieldy, I am afraid that I have greatly simplified the issues. Please feel free to make additional points about these claims in the comments. However, what I am most interested in discussing is the great support the Christian world has given to the Jews&#8217; political return to Israel in modern times. (<a href="http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/zionism-pal-isr-primer.html">Zionism</a> was actually opposed by Orthodox Jews at first &#8212; they regarded Zionism as a violation of God&#8217;s will.) But the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people in 1947. Do you think there is a solution to this conflict? Who has the better claim? Should a world-wide coalition define boundaries, or should we let the two nations duke it out on their own?</p>
<p>Does your religious worldview and your Christian understanding of the Abrahamic Covenant affect your position on the issue?</p>
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		<title>Mormon Missionaries Die in Romania</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to let everyone know of a very unfortunate situation in Romania.  According to this Deseret News article, Elder McKay Choy Burrows, 20, of Highland, Utah, and Elder Jace Edwards Davis, 20, of Logandale, Nevada, died from accidental natural gas asphyxiation due to a gas leak in their apartment sometime Friday night in Romania.  It&#8217;s terrible that such a seemingly preventable tragedy happened to these 2 young men.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/romaina-elders.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-9639" title="Romania-elders" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/romaina-elders-300x248.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="248" /></a>I want to let everyone know of a very unfortunate situation in Romania.  According to this <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700005957/2-LDS-missionaries-die-in-Romania.html">Deseret News article</a>, Elder McKay Choy Burrows, 20, of Highland, Utah, and Elder Jace Edwards Davis, 20, of Logandale, Nevada, died from accidental natural gas asphyxiation due to a gas leak in their apartment sometime Friday night in Romania.  It&#8217;s terrible that such a seemingly preventable tragedy happened to these 2 young men.</p>
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		<title>Did Mormon Influence Increase over the Decade?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife brought this to my attention while reading the front page of the Deseret News:  2000s: The First Decade-Mormon Church Influence Soars.  Without providing any sources, it says, President Thomas S. Monson has been named the most influential 80-year-old in America and Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are listed among the most important 100 Americans in history Other noteworthy items from the article include from the past decade: After the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, President Hinckley was one of the first guests Larry King interviewed on his nationally televised program. President Hinckley attended a special summit at the White House to counsel President George W. Bush. Winter Olympics in SLC with many Mormon Interpreters PBS documentary Prop 8 vote in California Humanitarian efforts in various earthquakes, wildfires, famine, war, hurricanes and floods around the world. Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney ran for president, Sen. Harry Reid became Senate Majority leader, and pundit Glenn Beck offered a play-by-play account of the battle lines that separated their political parties. David Archuleta sang himself into the hearts of Middle America on &#8220;American Idol,&#8221; Stephenie Meyer wrote of high-minded vampires, selling millions of novels that primed a series of movies. City Creek Center [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife brought this to my attention while reading the front page of the Deseret News:  <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705355618/2000s-The-First-Decade-2-Mormon-Church-influence-soars.html?pg=2">2000s: The First Decade-Mormon Church Influence Soars</a>.  Without providing any sources, it says,</p>
<blockquote><p>President Thomas S. Monson has been named the most influential 80-year-old in America and Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are listed among the most important 100 Americans in history</p></blockquote>
<p>Other noteworthy items from the article include from the past decade:<span id="more-8901"></span></p>
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<li>After the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, President Hinckley was one of the first guests Larry King interviewed on his nationally televised program.</li>
<li>President Hinckley attended a special summit at the White House to counsel President George W. Bush.</li>
<li>Winter Olympics in SLC with many Mormon Interpreters</li>
<li>PBS documentary</li>
<li>Prop 8 vote in California</li>
<li>Humanitarian efforts in various earthquakes, wildfires, famine, war, hurricanes and floods around the world.</li>
<li>Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney ran for president,</li>
<li>Sen. Harry Reid became Senate Majority leader, and</li>
<li>pundit Glenn Beck offered a play-by-play account of the battle lines that separated their political parties.</li>
<li>David Archuleta sang himself into the hearts of Middle America on &#8220;American Idol,&#8221;</li>
<li>Stephenie Meyer wrote of high-minded vampires, selling millions of novels that primed a series of movies.</li>
<li>City Creek Center will literally remake downtown Salt Lake City.</li>
<li>The number of temples built or planned reached 151 during the decade.</li>
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<p>Do, what do you think?  Vote and comment.</p>
<p>[poll id="92"]</p>
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		<title>A Child Is Born In Bukavu</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Christmas message, by today&#8217;s guest poster, mormongandhi. A child is born in Bukavu A child is born in Bukavu, and sadness fills his mother’s heart&#8230; Bukavu is not the city of David. It is a town in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo. War has been ravaging the country for years. Ever since Kabila invaded the former Zaire with military support from the US. It is a war that no one speaks of – but it has cost the lives of millions of people and caused unimaginable suffering. The child’s mother is a young girl, a daughter of the area. This young girl is named Maria.  Maria was a girl like most any other girl in her town. She walked miles for water, she helped her mother with the cooking and she also tilled the land. She learnt how to read in primary school, but ever since the war her parents no longer could afford to pay her school fees. Maria was a believer in the Christian gospel – and went like all other young girls her age to church on Sunday. Church was a mud hut with a roof made out of straw. There on Sundays, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A Christmas message, by today&#8217;s guest poster, </em><a href="http://mormongandhi.com/"><em>mormongandhi</em></a><em>.</em></p>
<p><strong>A child is born in Bukavu</strong></p>
<p>A child is born in Bukavu, and sadness fills his mother’s heart&#8230; Bukavu is not the city of David. It is a town in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo. War has been ravaging the country for years. Ever since Kabila invaded the former Zaire with military support from the US. It is a war that no one speaks of – but it has cost the lives of millions of people and caused unimaginable suffering.</p>
<p><span id="more-8626"></span>The child’s mother is a young girl, a daughter of the area. This young girl is named Maria.  Maria was a girl like most any other girl in her town. She walked miles for water, she helped her mother with the cooking and she also tilled the land. She learnt how to read in primary school, but ever since the war her parents no longer could afford to pay her school fees. Maria was a believer in the Christian gospel – and went like all other young girls her age to church on Sunday.</p>
<p>Church was a mud hut with a roof made out of straw. There on Sundays, the kids would gather to learn about God. The preacher, an older man with glasses and graying hair, would always talk about God’s love for humanity – and that God once, long time ago, had come to the world as a male child to save humanity. In church, she had also learned some words of English. She knew that when you greeted someone, you had to say: “Good morning, class”. </p>
<p><strong>The morning breaks</strong></p>
<p>That was then. Prior to the attacks&#8230; One day, as the morning broke and shadows gathered, foreign soldiers drove into town. The houses were set on fire. The adults were gathered on the square and the older men were executed one by one. This is how Maria lost her father – and she and her mother witnessed it. The soldiers held their heads for them to watch. Maria was afraid. After having seen the murder of her father, they also separated her from her mother. She was chosen from among the young girls to follow a group of soldiers. One of them stripped her of her clothes and forced himself on her – he, subject to the commanders’ orders.</p>
<p>Now she held this young child in her arms. Her heart was filled with sadness, and she knew that her firstborn child would have given her joy under other circumstances. Some months after the soldiers left, Maria was chased away. The villagers who were left behind were ashamed of her and of the other girls who had become pregnant. These girls were a constant reminder of the day when the men in the village had been powerless – confronted with the threat and the fear of a gun. “Do not ever come back”, were the last words she heard as she was running for her life into the deep woods. </p>
<p>Maria sings to her little child a song she learned many years ago: “Lullaby, lullaby, my little one. Lullaby, my child so dear. Thy precious life has just begun. Thy mother holds thee near”. And yet, she knows the words do not ring true. True, all life is precious. But not one soul will ever value the life of this child. Born of a violent union, unwanted by his mother, into a world where people willingly march to the sound of guns. What future can she promise him? What life can this child possibly hope to have? Even though she loves him, he is a constant reminder of what happened to her, and like the villagers who once chased her away she cannot find peace when she looks into his eyes. </p>
<p><strong>Its ranks are filled with soldiers, united, bold and strong&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Victory, victory&#8230; The guys were singing and shouting, drunken by their thirst for blood and proud of their conquest. Bukavu had been encircled, trapped, taken, raped and ravaged. The soldiers executed the orders of their commander and had in turn executed the elders of Bukavu – one by one. Herodes was the commander’s name. His boys feared him.</p>
<p>They were now men. They had proven it – to themselves and to him who had led them into victory. Joseph, one of the soldiers, the one who raped Maria, was nonetheless feeling some unease. In following orders, Joseph had forced himself upon this young girl. The others had told him that having sex with a virgin was going to save him from the disease that was making him weak, this pandemic they called AIDS. But more importantly, the others respected him now. He had become one of them: their partner in crime.</p>
<p>You are the man! We saw you, Joseph. You did it. You made her cry – you and your gun. You made her scream. The words were both making him feel proud and good about himself, but for one reason, unknown to him, they were also haunting him. Could he look at a woman again without thinking of the pain he had caused to this young girl – whose name he would never know? In order to survive – either you dominate or you are dominated, Herodes used to say. To rule, you have to systematically brake down the bonds that bind communities together. They need to fear you or fear will overtake you&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>I am trying to be like Jesus</strong></p>
<p>War does not bring out the best in us – it brings out the worst in us. True, some acts are acts of courage – but aren’t those heroic acts always associated with saving lives, and not with taking them? Fear begets fear. It is the opposite of love. Misery begets misery. It is the opposite of joy. Violence begets violence. It is the opposite of peace.</p>
<p>The nativity story told the world of a little baby boy, born to Mary, a girl chosen among other girls to be the mother of a Savior, rejected by men and yet, many are they who believe he is their safe ticket to heaven. The story from Bukavu is the story of a little baby boy, born to Maria, a girl chosen among other girls to be the victim of a soldier, so he could gain accept in the eyes of his comrades, so he could become a man, taking by force what he believed was a safe ticket to health.</p>
<p>Jesus taught us that he was not Herodes. “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.&#8221;  Jesus was nonviolent. Not exactly what you would associate with being a King. He was God. He was love, both long-suffering and kind. That is why he came to earth as a man and not as a woman: not because God favors men, but because the concept of what it means to be a Man on earth is so contrary to what it means to being God in heaven – who Mormons believe is male. Be kind, as a child, he said to them, and loving as a hen gathers her chickens:</p>
<p>“O ye people of these great cities which have fallen, who are descendants of Jacob, yea, who are of the house of Israel, how oft have I gathered you as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and have nourished you. Yea, how oft would I have gathered you as a hen gathereth her chickens, and ye would not. O ye house of Israel, whom I have spared, how oft will I gather you as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, if ye will repent and return unto me with full purpose of heart”. </p>
<p><strong>Love one another</strong></p>
<p>It was necessary for Jesus to come to earth in the form and shape of a male – to represent God as his firstborn son, the first among all great men, a king of kings. “Little children, a new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another”.</p>
<p>The divine irony is the fact that Jesus exhibits throughout his life traits that we call feminine: peaceful, loving, kind, sharing, meek, forgiving, gentle, and caring. He helped the poor and he healed the sick. We crucified him, because he was a threat to men everywhere. He challenged the very idea of what it means to be a man: strong, violent, forceful, greedy, noisy, arrogant and proud. He challenged the way we think about achieving peace, not by dominating others before they dominate us, but by showing us a better way to freedom – paved with love and with sacrifice.</p>
<p>In short, this was the message Jesus gave to the modern House of Israel, to the modern sons of Jacob: “What manner of men ought ye to be? Verily I say unto you, even as I am.&#8221;  He showed all men an alternative masculinity &#8211; that of the nonviolent male who sides with the poor and the downtrodden. Come, follow me, the Savior said. </p>
<p><em>For an alternative and nonviolent study of the Book of Mormon, mormongandhi is regularly publishing a study chapter on mormon nonviolence (latter day satyagraha) at </em><a href="http://mormongandhi.com"><em>http://mormongandhi.com</em></a><em>. Each chapter follows the set-up of the Institute Study Manual of the LDS Church. In addition, you can share your thoughts and insights on the nonviolent readings of the Book of Mormon with other “peaceable followers of Christ” (Moroni 7:3) at the discussion forum (</em><a href="http://peaceablefollowers.wordpress.com"><em>http://peaceablefollowers.wordpress.com</em></a><em>) created in parallel to the “latter day satyagraha” site.</em></p>
<p><em>mormongandhi currently lives in Oslo, Norway. He has a BA in peace and development studies from Bradford University in the UK, where he studied religious peacebuilding, as well as a master’s in peace operations from GMU in Washington D.C.</em></p>
<p><em>mormongandhi is looking for alternative and more peaceful ways of thinking and living. He calls himself an advocate for nonviolence in the Restoration movement.</em></p>
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		<title>How Our Families Can Help Families Around the World Escape Poverty</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A year ago my wife and I were struggling to find ways to teach our children the importance of helping those in need, and lamented the fact that despite our knowing there are millions of families around the world who need help, we felt virtually powerless to make any significant difference in their lives. And although we were grateful for the opportunity to make monetary donations to the Church&#8217;s humanitarian program, we felt that writing a check quite wasn&#8217;t enough to help our children understand the challenges so many of the world&#8217;s families face; nor did it allow our children to witness the results of our family&#8217;s contributions. At the time, I was reading Muhammad Yunus&#8217; book, Banker to the Poor, in which he relates how he, as an Economics professor in Bangladesh, helped create a micro-lending bank that makes small loans to the poor so they can quit their exploitative jobs, start their own businesses, and climb out of poverty. Yunus explains how traditional aid programs, which typically rely on the UN and government agencies as &#8220;middle men&#8221; to administer aid, have a proven track record of gross inefficiency and failure spanning several decades. His micro-lending operation, and many [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7327" title="387937" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/387937-150x150.jpg" alt="387937" width="150" height="150" />A year ago my wife and I were struggling to find ways to teach our children the importance of helping those in need, and lamented the fact that despite our knowing there are millions of families around the world who need help, we felt virtually powerless to make any significant difference in their lives. And although we were grateful for the opportunity to make monetary donations to the Church&#8217;s humanitarian program, we felt that writing a check quite wasn&#8217;t enough to help our children understand the challenges so many of the world&#8217;s families face; nor did it allow our children to witness the results of our family&#8217;s contributions.<span id="more-7159"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7186" title="muhammad-yunus" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/muhammad-yunus-150x150.jpg" alt="muhammad-yunus" width="129" height="129" />At the time, I was reading Muhammad Yunus&#8217; book, <a href="http://www.bankertothepoor.com/bankertothepoor/">Banker to the Poor</a>, in which he relates how he, as an Economics professor in Bangladesh, helped create a micro-lending bank that makes small loans to the poor so they can quit their exploitative jobs, start their own businesses, and climb out of poverty.  Yunus explains how traditional aid programs, which typically rely on the UN and government agencies as &#8220;middle men&#8221; to administer aid, have a proven track record of gross inefficiency and failure spanning several decades.  His micro-lending operation, and many others like it, cut out the bureaucratic middle-men so that the money intended for the poor actually makes it to the poor. By working with impoverished communities around the world, Yunus learned first-hand that the poor are willing and able to work, but simply lack the capital needed to start their own businesses.  By providing loans that must be repaid, rather than giving away handouts, Yunus and micro-lenders like him &#8220;teach a man to fish&#8221; by enabling the poor to break out of the poverty cycle and support themselves.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7187" title="kiva_logo" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/kiva_logo-150x150.jpg" alt="kiva_logo" width="132" height="132" />When I discussed all this with a friend, Stephen Wellington, he told me <a href="http://www.kiva.org/about">Kiva.org</a> was exactly what I was looking for.  And he was right.  Kiva builds on the work of Yunus and others by taking their micro-lending model to the next level.   Using the Internet, Kiva enables regular people like you and me to make micro-loans as small as $25 to people all over the world who want to lift their families out of poverty by starting their own businesses.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a typical example of how Kiva works: a family in Cambodia grows rice, but is barely subsisting.  They could greatly increase their rice production if they had a new plow and some fertilizer, but they don&#8217;t have the money for it.  So they submit a loan application for $600 to a local mico-lending agency<img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-7178 alignleft" title="Cambodia" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Cambodia-150x150.jpg" alt="Cambodia" width="150" height="150" /> in Cambodia that partners with Kiva.  The family&#8217;s loan request is then posted on Kiva, and that&#8217;s when the loan fund-raising begins.  With just a few mouse clicks, regular folks like you and me all over the world can pool our contributions of as little as $25 each to reach the $600 total that the family needs.  Once the loan money has been raised, Kiva sends it to the local micro-lending agency, which disburses the loan funds to the family in need.  Every month, the family makes small re-payments to the local micro-lending agency in Cambodia, which are sent back to Kiva and put in your Kiva account.  When you receive a monthly repayment, you can either cash out and get your money back, or re-loan the money to another family in need.</p>
<p>This month is our family&#8217;s one-year anniversary with Kiva.  A year ago we spent a Family Home Evening with our children reviewing loan requests on <img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7190" title="fhe10" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/fhe101-150x150.jpg" alt="fhe10" width="150" height="150" />the Kiva website.  Because we were new to Kiva and therefore a little uncertain about its reliability, we decided to loan an amount of money that we thought could make a difference in a few families&#8217; lives, but that was small enough that we could accept losing completely if it all turned out to be a scam.  So we took $500 and divided it amongst a few families from a few different countries: the Cambodian family already mentioned; a mother in Peru needing funds to expand her door-to-door grocery business; a father in Mongolia needing funds to repair his mini-bus for his transportation business; a father in the Philippines needing funds to expand his small hog farm; a mother in Senegal needing funds to buy ice-cream making equipment, etc.</p>
<p>As we received the monthly re-payments, we immediately re-loaned the money in $25 increments to other families.  We also received Kiva video updates from the field about the families we were assisting. (See an example <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofLQtOnADko">here</a>.)  These video updates provided our children with a window to the world, showing them how families around the world struggle to support themselves, and helping our children develop a greater awareness of, and desire to help, those in need.</p>
<p>So what were the results of our family&#8217;s first year experimenting with Kiva?  With just our $500 initial contribution of loan funds, which we re-loaned to other families in $25 increments as loans were repaid, we were able to:</p>
<ul>
<li>Make a total of 40 loans . . .</li>
<li>in a total amount of $1,275 . . .</li>
<li>to families in 21 different countries (Azerbaijan, Bolivia, Cambodia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Dominican Republic, Ghana, Indonesia, Kenya, Mongolia, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Rwanda, Senegal, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Togo, Uganda, and Ukraine) . . .</li>
<li>$783 of which has already been repaid . . .</li>
<li>with a delinquency rate (late payments) of 7.38% . . .</li>
<li>and a default rate of 6.25 % (higher than the Kiva average of 1.65%) . . .</li>
<li>meaning our total loss after one year has been only $25 (one loan in the Dominican Republic).</li>
</ul>
<p>Our family&#8217;s contribution has been just one tiny drop in the ocean of Kiva lending.  Just last week on Kiva: 3,629 new lenders joined; 11,207 lenders made a loan; 2,344 entrepreneurs were funded; and $752,850 was lent, at a rate of one loan every 23 seconds.</p>
<p>Overall, our family has fallen in love with the concept of micro-lending, because we&#8217;ve discovered that by re-lending funds as they are repaid, we were able to do $1,275 worth of good with our $500 initial contribution of loan funds.  Over the coming years, the amount of good that $500 initial contribution does will only multiply.  And with a loss of only one $25 loan that defaulted, we&#8217;ve learned that Kiva, its field partners, and its borrowers are trustworthy enough to continue lending to them for years to come.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comment on any of the following articles – or anything else from the sidebar – or any other article of interest to this forum that we missed. There is no such thing as being normal If Kaimi were in dire straits, he would prefer to render unto Caesar what is Caesar&#8217;s Apparently, marriage is hard work Gayby Boomers? Silly name, interesting phenomenon An explanation for Utah bankruptcies I don&#8217;t think PETA would approve of this Aren&#8217;t you glad we have calculaors? Even Orson Scott Card realizes that Mormonism is a culture Another reason to have more kids &#8211; Placenta Helper The Bible &#38; Book of Mormon don&#8217;t teach of THIS Holy Ghost New Dehli: New gay rights in a deeply conservative country]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment on any of the following articles – or anything else from the sidebar – <strong>or any other article of interest to this forum that we missed. </strong></p>
<p><a href="http://betchadidntknow.blogspot.com/2009/07/are-you-normal.html">There is no such thing as being normal </a></p>
<p><a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/07/misguided-faith/">If Kaimi were in dire straits, he would prefer to render unto Caesar what is Caesar&#8217;s </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1908243,00.html">Apparently, marriage is hard work </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/06/28/gayby/index.html">Gayby Boomers? Silly name, interesting phenomenon </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_12668785">An explanation for Utah bankruptcies </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0suNdrQK13o">I don&#8217;t think PETA would approve of this </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIiDomlEjJw">Aren&#8217;t you glad we have calculaors?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://mormontimes.com/mormon_voices/orson_scott_card/?id=9578">Even Orson Scott Card realizes that Mormonism is a culture </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1908194,00.html">Another reason to have more kids &#8211; Placenta Helper </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&amp;sid=7024344">The Bible &amp; Book of Mormon don&#8217;t teach of THIS Holy Ghost </a></p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090702/ap_on_re_as/as_india_gay_rights">New Dehli: New gay rights in a deeply conservative country </a></p>
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		<title>Who is a Cultural Mormon?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, Happy Independence Day (yay)! &#8230;so I was digging through classic Mormon Matters and found Clay&#8217;s discussion asking: how much does church activity has to do with being Mormon anyway? He opened with something interesting: Not so long ago, when I would hear about someone who didn’t go to church at all or have any interest in returning would refer to themselves as Mormon, I would be annoyed that they still identified themselves that way. I used to see being Mormon as a choice, as a religious path, and if you aren’t choosing it then you only make a bad name for the rest of us… or so I felt at that time. I was excited&#8230;a post aimed at me! Yet later (the very next sentence), he writes: Yet, it seems there is something deeply cultural about being Mormon, especially those raised or at least members from a young age. Oh. So, I thought&#8230;Most of us recognize the depth of Mormonism as a culture. (If you don&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll submit that you&#8217;re behind the times and T&#38;S has already jumped aboard). If so, I think Clay&#8217;s next question (again, the very next sentence), is good: How much does your activity in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Happy Independence Day (yay)!</p>
<p>&#8230;so I was digging through <em>classic</em> Mormon Matters and found Clay&#8217;s discussion asking: <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/09/24/how-much-does-church-activity-have-to-do-with-being-mormon/">how much does church activity has to do with being Mormon anyway</a>? He opened with something interesting:</p>
<blockquote><p>Not so long ago, when I would hear about someone who didn’t go to church at all or have any interest in returning would refer to themselves as Mormon, I would be annoyed that they still identified themselves that way. I used to see being Mormon as a choice, as a religious path, and if you aren’t choosing it then you only make a bad name for the rest of us… or so I felt at that time.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was excited&#8230;a post aimed at me! Yet later (the very next sentence), he writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yet, it seems there is something deeply cultural about being Mormon, especially those raised or at least members from a young age.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh.<br />
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<p>So, I thought&#8230;Most of us recognize the depth of Mormonism as a culture. (If you don&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll submit that you&#8217;re behind the times and <a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/03/mormon-identity-and-culture/">T&amp;S</a> has already jumped aboard). If so, I think Clay&#8217;s next question (again, the very next sentence), is good:</p>
<blockquote><p>How much does your activity in church determine how “Mormon” you really are?</p></blockquote>
<p>(I promise I&#8217;m not just stealing Clay&#8217;s post. Seriously.)</p>
<p>The question is&#8230;what are the traits that make Mormonism endure as a <em>culture</em> and not simply religion? When people leave certain religions, the break is clean. Many people don&#8217;t linger for years and years as an &#8220;ex-Baptist,&#8221; for example. But with our church, we have that famous phrase about people who &#8220;leave the church but can&#8217;t leave it alone.&#8221; (And I&#8217;m under e-indictment for being an <em>anti</em>-Mormon, of all things, because of such a claim.) You may similarly know &#8220;lapsed Catholics&#8221; or  &#8220;secular Jews&#8221; (let&#8217;s ignore the elephant of actual <em>ethnicity</em> for that one).</p>
<p>With Mormonism in particular, we have a particularly strange phenomenon where ex-members can end up being vehemently opposed to the church, but they simply are not able to move away from their old heritage. Ignoring any possible faith-promoting answers (&#8220;ooh, that&#8217;s the Holy Ghost~!&#8221;), we can at least realize that we have a pervasive culture in our hearts. And it may be a good idea to delve deeper in <em>how</em> or <em>what</em> this culture is, so we can (try to) improve it.</p>
<p>From a comment a long time ago on the unlikeliest of places (Prop 8 day at <a href="http://ldstalk.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/mormons-get-the-yoke-of-opposition-to-same-sex-marriage/#comment-6098">LDS &amp; Evangelical Conversations blog</a>), Seth R. from <a href="http://www.nine-moons.com/">Nine Moons</a> remarked [I hope my comment patchwork isn't a misinterpretation]:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’d have a much easier time renouncing US citizenship than my faith. I don’t feel that (&#8220;American&#8221; describes me a whole lot more comprehensively than &#8220;Mormon&#8221;). I felt more in common with Mormons in Japan than I do with people in my own town right now.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was impressed with these comments, so I <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/which-culture-pervades-more-religious-or-national/">posted about it </a>a while back. As a military kid, I can <em>certainly</em> agree that I don&#8217;t feel I have a &#8220;home&#8221; in any one <em>location</em> or <em>nation</em>, but I most certainly have a lot in common with fellow Mormons. We share a language.</p>
<p>But indeed, I do present a conundrum, as Clay points out. Can a nonbeliever be Mormon just because he was raised that way? Does it have anything to do with being born into the church? Hawkgrrrl wrote a comment to Clay&#8217;s post:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think there is a difference between a convert who leaves the church and one who was BIC and leaves the church. In the former case, there would probably be less “residual Mormanity” than in the latter case. Being raised Mormon (vs. being a previously practicing Mormon).</p></blockquote>
<p>Is that so? I <a href="http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/2009/06/born-again-mormon-review-part-5-they.html">talked with BHodges at Life on Gold Plates </a>and he made an interesting point for <a href="http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/2009/06/born-again-mormon-review-part-5-they.html?showComment=1246483908701#c8606914730329363188">BIC ex-mormons who relinquish their &#8220;residual Mormanity.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Do regionalisms matter? Am I less culturally Mormon because I&#8217;ve never lived in Utah? Because I am <a href="http://www.myregisblog.com/2009/06/thank-thee-for-moisture.html">thankful for rain, not moisture</a>? In the past, BCC has had a <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/14/mormon-culture-tournament-the-sweet-sixteen-part-the-first/">Mormon culture tournament</a>&#8230;could we make an accurate cultural literacy test from it?</p>
<p>Cultural Mormonism has been viewed as that <a href="http://hamsy2000.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/cultural-mormons/">weird Utah thing</a>, something that degrades true religion. On the other hand&#8230;children with Mormon identities, as long as they are <em>happy</em> with this identity, indeed &#8220;<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/prov/22/6#6">never depart</a>&#8221; from it. (If they are unhappy with it, they also never depart from it, and that produces bad consequences for all.) What say you?</p>
<p>If cultural Mormonism is focused in the Jello Belt, then what does that say about a religion that thrives from converts (especially <a href="http://ldschurchgrowth.blogspot.com/2009/06/update-on-church-growth.html">converts in other nations</a>)? While it seems intuitive to say a Utah Mormon understand culture more than a Japanese Mormon&#8230;it seems contradiction.</p>
<p>I have my eye on <strong>correlation</strong>. With correlation, every ward gets a similar foundation. So, the basic LDS lingo is the same everywhere. This, in combination with the church&#8217;s many activities, opportunities, standards, and practices, should &#8220;socialize&#8221; members who will attend for a critical period. So, perhaps it is that one <em>must</em> be active for some critical period to be socialized, and then they become culturally Mormon, regardless of future activity. This would allow for Seth to identify with the other Japanese saints, while allowing for regionalist distinctions. This will also allow for a culture that one doesn&#8217;t easily depart from, even when they <em>want</em> to.</p>
<p>And so, as a new question that has sprung about, what do you think about the pervasiveness of the culture? What does it mean for ex-members who remain? Does it possibly work against the church to create anti-Mormons? And who is anti- anyway? Is it anyone who disbelieves and speaks about it?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ICM poll of 10,000 people in the USA, UK, Israel, India, South Korea, Indonesia, Nigeria, Russia, Mexico and Lebanon was carried out for the BBC It reveals that only 46% of respondents in the UK said they have always believed in God &#8211; 27% less than the average. Only Russia (42%) and South Korea (28%) were lower. Furthermore just 52% of UK respondents believed God (or a Higher Power) created the universe, compared to 85% in the USA, 83% in Mexico, 99% in Indonesia and 96% in Lebanon.The highest levels of belief are found in the poorer nations of Nigeria (98%), India (92%) and Indonesia (97%).However, the USA &#8211; the richest nation polled &#8211; has a very high level of belief. Only 13% of those polled in America said they found it hard to believe in God (a Higher power) when there was so much suffering in the world.Yet this compares to more than half (52%) of those polled in the UK &#8211; the highest of all the countries &#8211; and more than twice the average. The figures for Lebanon were 2% and Nigeria 12%. The survey found that Only 19% of those in the UK said they would [...]]]></description>
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<p>The ICM poll of 10,000 people in the USA, UK, Israel, India, South Korea, Indonesia, Nigeria, Russia, Mexico and Lebanon was carried out for the BBC<span id="more-5860"></span></p>
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<p>It reveals that only       46% of respondents in the UK said they have always believed in God &#8211; 27% less than the average. Only Russia (42%) and South Korea (28%) were lower. Furthermore just 52% of UK respondents believed God (or a Higher Power) created the universe, compared to 85% in the USA, 83% in Mexico, 99% in Indonesia and 96% in Lebanon.The highest levels of belief are found in the poorer nations of Nigeria (98%), India (92%) and Indonesia (97%).However, the USA &#8211; the richest nation polled &#8211; has a very high level of belief. Only 13% of those polled in America said they found it hard to believe in God (a Higher power) when there was so much suffering in the world.Yet this compares to more than half (52%) of those polled in the UK &#8211; the highest of all the countries &#8211; and more than twice the average. The figures for Lebanon were 2% and Nigeria 12%.</p>
<p><img class="size-full wp-image-5865 alignleft" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/die-for-god.JPG" alt="die for god" width="109" height="104" /></p>
<p>The survey found that  Only 19% of those in the UK said they would die for their God/beliefs. This compares to 37% in Israel, 90% of those polled in Indonesia and Nigeria, and 71% in the USA and Lebanon.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="size-full wp-image-5892 aligncenter" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/koran1.jpg" alt="koran1" width="107" height="144" /></p>
<p>A staggering 78% of those polled in the USA claimed to have studied religious texts, by far the largest figure, followed by 51% in Nigeria and 42% in the UK. This    compares to an average of 33%.</p>
<p><img class="size-full wp-image-5890 alignleft" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/peace.jpg" alt="peace" width="102" height="120" /></p>
<p>The poll also looked at the place of religion in the world. Almost a third (29%) of people in the UK believe that the world would be a more peaceful place without beliefs in God but very few people in other countries agreed. Just 6% of those polled in America agreed with this view, 11% in Israel and 9% in India. The average across all ten countries was 10%.Only 15% of those polled in America blamed people of other religions for much of the trouble in the world compared with more than a third (37%) in the UK and 33% in Israel.This figure fell to 8% of those polled in Indonesia, 24% in Lebanon and 17% in India.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="size-full wp-image-5867 aligncenter" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/44248107_queen07congregation416_pa.jpg" alt="_44248107_queen07congregation416_pa" width="160" height="115" /></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The poll also looked at levels of attendance at organised religious services in the UK compared to the rest of the world. Across the ten countries, an average of 46% regularly attend a religious service but the figure was 21% in the UK, the second lowest behind Russia (7%). The highest figure was 91% for Nigerians, with 54% in the USA.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Furthermore just 29% of UK respondents said they had been encouraged to believe in God by someone outside their family, compared with 57% in the USA.</p>
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<p><img src="/DOCUME%7E1/James/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-26.jpg" alt="" /> With regards to prayer, a total of 95% of Nigerians polled said they prayed regularly as did 67% of those polled in the USA with further numbers praying occasionally at times of crisis. 28% in the UK said they prayed regularly and 41% in Israel. However 25% of people in the UK and 29% of people in Israel said they never prayed.</p>
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<p>The poll did reveal however that nearly 30% of all atheists polled admitted they prayed sometimes.</p>
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<p>Asked whether a belief in a God/higher power makes for a better human being, well over 80% of people in most countries agreed, but by far the lowest figure was in the UK with just 56%.</p>
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<p>Furthermore, just 42% of UK respondents believed God (or a higher power) judges their actions and the way they lived their lives compared to 76% in America, 72% in Israel, 81% in Nigeria and an average of 70%.</p>
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<p>Exploring the issue of tolerance of different religions the poll found that more than 90% of all respondents in Nigeria, Indonesia and Lebanon believed their God was the only true God.This compares to 70% in Israel and just 31% in the UK.</p>
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<p>The majority of those polled when asked if they believed death was the end disagreed. This was the case for more than half of the UK respondents (51%), 79% of those polled in Nigeria, 75% in Lebanon and 74% in the USA.</p>
<p>Looking at how attitudes change across different religions, the poll found that while 85% of Hindus and 83% of Muslims said they prayed regularly, only 65% of Christians did and barely a third (38%) of Jews.</p>
<p>When asked if their God was the only true God, 95% of Muslims said yes, compared with 68% of Christians and 66% of Jews.</p>
<p>But when asked if other religions were to blame for the troubles in the world, 34% of Jews agreed, while only 24% of Christians, 18% of Hindus and 14% of Muslims agreed.</p>
<p><strong>What do you think?</strong></p>
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		<title>Interfaith International British DJ</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK Paul technically isn&#8217;t exactly an international DJ, not unless you consider that you can listen to his interviews on line. He&#8217;s a returned missionary and member of the Grays Ward in the Romford Stake Essex England.  Paul got the show after being a presenter at Hospital Radio Chelmsford for a year and chased a local station for airtime: &#8220;When I was asked to join Phoenix FM the station manager warned me that radio presenting wasn&#8217;t all easy but in fact involved a lot of voluntary service too.  I responded that I was a missionary in France for 2 years for the church and was used to giving service to others, as well as being actively involved in the church weekly.  The station manager was intrigued by this and I was invited to the station to explain more about my religious beliefs and the voluntary service I had done in France.  I was then offered the chance to begin a brand new religious show once a week that they had been wanting to start but couldn&#8217;t find anyone with the religious background to do it.  I put together the idea for a chat show where he would bring in local [...]]]></description>
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<p>OK Paul technically isn&#8217;t exactly an international DJ, not unless you consider that you can listen to his interviews on line.</p>
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<p><span style="&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">He&#8217;s a returned missionary and member of the Grays Ward in the Romford Stake Essex England.  Paul got<span class="moz-txt-citetags"> </span>the show after being a presenter at Hospital Radio Chelmsford for a<span class="moz-txt-citetags"> </span>year and chased a local station for airtime:</span></p>
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<p><span style="&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&#8220;When I was asked to join Phoenix FM the station manager warned me that<span class="moz-txt-citetags"> </span>radio presenting wasn&#8217;t all easy but in fact involved a lot of<span class="moz-txt-citetags"> </span>voluntary service too.  I responded that I was a missionary in France<span class="moz-txt-citetags"> </span>for 2 years for the church and was used to giving service to others, as well as being actively involved in the church weekly.  The station <span class="moz-txt-citetags"><span> </span></span>manager was intrigued by this and I was invited to the station to explain more about my religious beliefs and the voluntary service I<span class="moz-txt-citetags"> </span>had done in France.  I was then offered the chance to begin a brand new religious show once a week that they had been wanting to start but couldn&#8217;t find anyone with the religious background to do it.  I put together the idea for a chat show where he would bring in local religious leaders and ask them about their beliefs on air and their views on current issues.&#8221;</span></p>
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<p>Mark Pinchin and Ian Clarkson from the <strong>Church of Scientology</strong> &#8211; Listen   <a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/upload/Mark%20P%20250309.mp3">here</a></p>
<p><strong>Highlights:</strong></p>
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<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Symbol;"><span style="none;"> </span></span><!--[endif]-->10 million members around the world.<span style="Symbol;"><span style="none;"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span> </span>Their anti-drug program “Say no to drugs say yes to life”. <span style="Symbol;"><span style="none;"> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Human rights educational programme and other great work they do in the community.   We discussed the 8 dynamics<span style="Symbol;">, the<span style="none;"> </span></span><!--[endif]-->founder of the church L. Ronald Hubbard and<span style="Symbol;"><span style="none;"> </span></span><!--[endif]-->where the word “Scientology” comes from.</p>
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<p style="-18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><strong>The core beliefs of the church of Scientology are:</strong></p>
<p><!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]--><span> </span><!--[if !supportLists]-->Man is a spirit, he has lived before and that man is good.<span style="none;"> </span><!--[endif]--><span> </span>Through wisdom and knowledge man can improve any area of his life he wants.<span style="&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"> Scientology is all denominational and non-conversionary and members bring with them their own beliefs. </span></p>
<p>Great Interviews ( <em>All the ads and music have been stripped out</em>)</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2754.php"><strong> </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2754.php"><strong>Habibur Rahman &amp; Forad Edu &#8211; Islam / Alfurqaan Foundation</strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2734.php"><strong>Father Matthew Bemand &#8211; St Thomas Church of England </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2732.php"><strong>Councillor Dudley Payne &#8211; Mayor of Brentwood </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2687.php"><strong>Mark Pinchin and Ian Clarkson &#8211; Scientology / Jive Aces </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2647.php"><strong>Ed Wellman &#8211; PhoenixFM Monday Classics </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2628.php"><strong>Richard Burch &#8211; Brentwood Buddhist Society </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2609.php"><strong>Chris Day &#8211; Crown Street Christian Fellowship </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2588.php"><strong>Reverand Peter Thomas (Baptist) </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2567.php"><strong>Reverand Trevor Jamison (United Reformed Church) </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2541.php"><strong>Julian May &#8211; ELIM </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2479.php"><strong>Father Paul Keane &#8211; Brentwood Catholic Cathedral </strong></a><br />
<a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/2459.php"><strong>Bishop David Barter</strong></a></p>
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<p><span class="moz-txt-citetags"> </span>The show can be seen at <a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com/proverbs98.php">www.phoenixfm.com/proverbs98.php</a></p>
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		<title>The Difference Between Persians and Arabs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 07:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a post from my blog I did previously, with some updates.   I will confess that I love learning about the Middle East.  I love learning more about Jews, Muslims, Arabs, etc.  I have so much to learn. I’m a grad student working on some genetic studies (one of my many jobs).  As part of the genetic study we are doing, we have our study participants tell us their race.  In medical studies, different treatments can affect different races quite dramatically. I’m designing a database to capture the information for the study.  Many people don’t identify as just one race.  Some are multi-racial, and even put percentages on their forms, such as 50% white, 25% hispanic, 25% black.  So, I was asking questions about how to properly capture the data. I learned that there are 5 basic races:  White (Caucausian), Black, Asian, Native American, and Pacific Islander.  As I have discussed on this blog before, genetic studies show that Native Americans are related to Asian peoples.  Simon Southerton seems to have shown that peoples migrated across the Bering Strait, and settled the americas.  But according to one of the genetic specialists (I’ll call her Ann) in my office, [...]]]></description>
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<p>This is a post from my blog I did previously, with some updates.   I will confess that I love learning about the Middle East.  I love learning more about Jews, Muslims, Arabs, etc.  I have so much to learn.</p>
<p>I’m a grad student working on some genetic studies (one of my many jobs).  As part of the genetic study we are doing, we have our study participants tell us their race.  In medical studies, different treatments can affect different races quite dramatically.</p>
<p><span id="more-4624"></span>I’m designing a database to capture the information for the study.  Many people don’t identify as just one race.  Some are multi-racial, and even put percentages on their forms, such as 50% white, 25% hispanic, 25% black.  So, I was asking questions about how to properly capture the data.</p>
<p>I learned that there are 5 basic races:  White (Caucausian), Black, Asian, Native American, and Pacific Islander.  As I have discussed on this blog before, genetic studies show that Native Americans are related to Asian peoples.  Simon Southerton seems to have shown that peoples migrated across the Bering Strait, and settled the americas.  But according to one of the genetic specialists (I’ll call her Ann) in my office, there is still a big enough difference between Native Americans to separate them from Asians.  Same goes for Pacific Islanders.</p>
<p>It seems that many people often refer to the Jewish race, or the Arab race.  Some of you may be familiar with the “Cohen” gene, which is a distinguishing gene among people of Jewish descent.  So I asked Ann what race Jews were, and she said “Caucasian.”  She said there is some interesting distinguishing characteristics of Jews, but not so much to call them a separate race.  I asked about Arabs?  “Caucasian.”  Ok, what about people from India?  “Caucasian.”  This one really surprised me (as if the others ones didn’t.)  I would have suspected India Indians to be Asian, but that is wrong.</p>
<p>Hispanic is the truly confusing one, because there are black hispanics, and white hispanics.  If a person is a black hispanic, genetically they are black.  Otherwise, they are Caucasian.</p>
<p>I was truly intrigued to learn all of this.  Then to top it off, I discovered Ann was from Iran.  (She told me it is pronounced ear-ron, not eye-ran, so I will endeavor to pronounce it properly from this point forward.)  Now, I just couldn’t resist asking more questions.</p>
<p>I told her that I had heard that Iranians are not Arabs, and that I never really understood that.  To me, it always seemed like anyone from the Middle East was an Arab.  If Iranians are not Arabs, what are they, and what distinguishes an Arab?</p>
<p>She told me that they refer to themselves as Persians.  I had a college professor who had told me he was Persian, and when I asked him where that was, he said “Iraq.”  So, I asked her if Iraqi’s were also Persians.  She was surprised to hear me tell her than an Iraqi claimed to be Persian, but then decided that it was possible, and then gave me a history lesson.</p>
<p>Persia was once much larger than it is now, and was centered in Iran.  Around 600 AD, the Arabs from Saudi Arabia expanded their kingdom and conquered Persia, converting everyone to Islam.  (Prior to that, the Persian religion was Zoroastrianism.)  Even though the Persians converted to Islam, they never liked the Arab rulers, and a few hundred years later, overthrew them and installed their own kings.</p>
<p>I asked about the differences between Sunni and Shiite (or Shia) Muslims.  Shia Muslims follow a direct lineage through to the prophet Muhammad.  Sunni’s believe that clerics do not have to be genetically related to Muhammad.  The Sunni line is larger than Shia.  Iran is really the only nation primarily Shia.  Iraq and Sadaam Hussein were ruled by the minority Sunni, but it appears that the Shiite majority is taking control of the government, so there could be a 2nd Shiite nation.  Most other Middle Eastern countries are Sunni.  Perhaps Persia is coming back into existence!</p>
<p>Anyway, Ann told me that Iranians hate to be referred to as Arabs, and identify much more with Europeans.  She told me that Afghanis feel the same way.  She said she knew Americans had a hard time telling the difference, but that people in that part of the world can easily tell the difference between a Persian and an Arab.</p>
<p>Ann has been in America for about a year.  Prior to that, she lived in France.  She said she really liked Utah, and culturally, felt that Utah was quite similar to Iran.  She said families are very important in Iran, and very important in Utah.  She said France was much more secular, and the people weren’t as nice.  (I’ve vacationed in France, and didn’t think they were very nice either.)</p>
<p>Anyway, it was a truly fascinating conversation!  I actually knew a little about Zoroastrianism.  For example,  the star at Jesus birth was discovered by the Wise Men from the East.  Some scholars believe that the Wise Men believed in Zoroastrianism.  (I did a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/12/13/christmas-story-part-1/">post on this at Christmas</a>.)  Ann was surprised to hear this.  I also know that there is a mountain in Saudi Arabia called Jebel-Musa which means Mount of Moses.  Some Muslim and Christian scholars believe that this may be the true location of Mount Sinai, and I think there is some pretty intriguing evidence to support that claim.  (Ann didn’t know that either.)</p>
<p>Some of my commenters gave me the following information.</p>
<blockquote><p>On 21 March 1935, the ruler of Persia, Reza Shah Pahlavi, issued a decree asking foreign delegates to use the term Iran in formal correspondence. Some believe he made this decision in order to be closer to Germany, by trying to emphasize the Aryan connection between Hitler’s idealistic German Aryan race and the Persian Aryan race, given that “Iran” means “land of Aryans”, at a time where the German empire was slowly becoming an unstoppable superpower. Some others believed he changed “Persia” to “Iran” to present a new and modern face of the country in the world.</p>
<p>It should be noted that the first Aryans originated from India. This was a warlike society that called their best and courageous “Aryan” or nobleman. Therefore it was not so much a race, as class of people. Afterwards, wave and wave of these “Aryans” immigrated to Mesopotamia (Currently Iran) and to IndoEurope. After centuries the name Aryan or Nobleman was exchanged for race. The reason why Iranians don&#8217;t look like Germans is (1) because of weather and (2) because Aryans in Iran were integrated to the Arab kingdom in the time of Mohammad and so Aryans and Semites mixed.</p>
<p>Currently, anyone who is a native Arab speaker is considered Arab. Anyone who doesn’t is not.<br />
The Iraon- Persian dialects include Tajik (Tajkistan), Farsi (Iran and parts of Afghanistan), Dari (Afghanistan), and Azerbaijani. The Tajik, Afghan, and Azerbaijani people I know would not identify as Persian–only Iranians would.  It really is that simple.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, did anyone know the difference between a Persian and an Arab?  Do you have any other interesting things to add?</p></div>
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		<title>International Ignorance</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone mentioned in a blog post that I read recently about how accessible materials and information about the Church are for us these days: blogs, books (official and unofficial), news, the internet in general.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  There&#8217;s a wealth of information about the Church at our fingertips and goodness knows that many of us spend hours reading, analyzing, discussing, and debating it all.  I&#8217;m often surprised that more Mormons don&#8217;t take advantage of it. There is one problem, however.  This wealth of information is NOT equally available to members of the Church. If you are reading this, you are someone who is now perhaps a minority in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: an English-speaking member with access to the internet, probably living in America.  This means that you are able to read virtually everything that has ever been written about Mormonism.  And if you can&#8217;t find it online, chances are that your local library can get it.  If not, you can buy it on Amazon and have it shipped to your home without having to worry about crazy shipping costs or customs duties. Over half of the Church&#8217;s membership now lives outside of the US.  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone mentioned in a blog post that I read recently about how accessible materials and information about the Church are for us these days: blogs, books (official and unofficial), news, the internet in general.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  There&#8217;s a wealth of information about the Church at our fingertips and goodness knows that many of us spend hours reading, analyzing, discussing, and debating it all.  I&#8217;m often surprised that more Mormons don&#8217;t take advantage of it.</p>
<p>There is one problem, however.  This wealth of information is NOT equally available to members of the Church.</p>
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<p>If you are reading this, you are someone who is now perhaps a minority in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: an English-speaking member with access to the internet, probably living in America.  This means that you are able to read virtually everything that has ever been written about Mormonism.  And if you can&#8217;t find it online, chances are that your local library can get it.  If not, you can buy it on Amazon and have it shipped to your home without having to worry about crazy shipping costs or customs duties.</p>
<p>Over half of the Church&#8217;s membership now lives outside of the US.  Many of these members have little or no knowledge of the English language.  Their resources in terms of information regarding their own religion is scarce.  Often the only things they have in their own language are official materials put out by the Church: the scriptures (sometimes only an incomplete translation of the <em>Book of Mormon</em>, and perhaps no <em>Bible</em> <em>Dictionary</em> or <em>Topical Guide</em>), the RS/Priesthood manual, other auxiliary manuals, and maybe the <em>Liahona</em>.  No <em>Journal of Discourses</em>, no <em>Jesus the Christ.</em> Forget <em>Rough Stone Rolling</em> and don&#8217;t even think about Mormon blogging.</p>
<p>A bit over year ago, I barely knew what a blog was and the term &#8220;Bloggernacle&#8221; was a foreign word to me.  Back then, I still told my non-member friends who asked that the Church allowed polygamy to take care of all the spinsters and singles and the suggestion that Joseph Smith married women who were already married to other men would have just been anti-Mormon rubbish to me.  I wondered how my Baptist friend in high school who told me years ago that Joseph used a hat and stone to translate the Book of Mormon ever got wind of such a crazy idea which, of course, I denied. Never would I have believed that any Church leaders could have possibly been against black civil rights in the 60&#8242;s because they were all too &#8220;nice&#8221; or &#8220;enlightened&#8221; to have such backwards views.  Probably the only thing that would have surprised me more was that our &#8220;politically neutral&#8221; Church sent a letter to California wards telling members how to vote.  But of course, if I had known about the ERA then I wouldn&#8217;t have needed to be so surprised.  Yes, it&#8217;s been an action-filled year for me.</p>
<p>Sometimes when I sit in church on Sundays, I feel like I&#8217;m in a different world than that of my fellow branch members.  Although most of them have a good grasp of the English language, most of them are not at the level that they would be able to read Bushman or listen to Mormon podcasts.  They would know about as much about Prop 8 as you all know about ekteskapsloven and probably assume that The September Six were a rock band.  Tell them that Emma wasn&#8217;t Joseph&#8217;s only wife and some of them would surely deny it.  And I&#8217;m sure that they&#8217;re still telling <em>their</em> friends that polygamy was needed because of all the widows and singles.</p>
<p>When I think about it, I&#8217;m not sure who is better off: them or me?  Would <em>I</em> be better off if I could go back to the days when I had no clue about any of this stuff?  Or should <em>they </em>have the opportunity to know more about the history and current events of the Church that they claim is true?</p>
<p>Since the majority of Mormons in this world do not have access to and/or do not have the language skills to read anything other than the few official Church publications in their own language, are they at a disadvantage?  I certainly don&#8217;t expect the Church to start broadcasting news to its international membership or sponsor the translation of <em>Rough Stone Rolling</em> into 85 languages.  Perhaps the Church really can&#8217;t do anything more in the case of non-English speaking members.  But is it thriving as a result of their ignorance?  And if so, does it really matter?</p>
<p>So who is better off?  Them or us?  We&#8217;re always told that we should acquire as much knowledge as possible since it&#8217;s the only thing we will take with us from this life.  Is Church history an exception?</p>
<p>Who will be able to withstand the challenges that the Church faces in the future?  Will it be those who have a solid knowledge of the <em>real</em> Church history so that they have a chance to distinguish truth from rumour, or will it be those who stick to the official publications?</p>
<p>Does the history of Mormonism stand in jeopardy of being forgotten or altered as the non-English speaking membership of the Church abroad continues to grow and become a clear majority?</p>
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		<title>Why aren&#8217;t Mormons Green?</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have lived here in the UK -London for 20 years now and when friends and family come over they sometimes comment on how green we are over here. They observe that most of us dry our clothes on the  line, drive much smaller cars, live in shoe box’s compared to the average size of an American home, walk to the shops, use long life low wattage low energy bulbs, changing windows over for double glazing, doubling up on insulation, are becoming more obsessive about recycling, drive low emission high mpg diesel cars, save left over food, food portions at restaurants smaller and public transport used far more often and readily available. It amazes some of the Brits when they go to Utah to see how big the houses are especially in many cases for so few people who live in them.  Huge Ford Explorers, steak dinners that could feed a typical family of four.  When they go for the first time they come back thinking that it’s a land of excess. I know there have been many of the changes I have described above happening in Utah and throughout the states but there is not quite the buzz or [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have lived here in the UK -London for 20 years now and when friends and family come over they sometimes comment on how green we are over here. They observe that most of us dry our clothes on the  line, drive much smaller cars, live in shoe box’s compared to the average size of an American home, walk to the shops, use long life low wattage low energy bulbs, changing windows over for double glazing, doubling up on insulation, are becoming more obsessive about recycling, drive low emission high mpg diesel cars, save left over food, food portions at<span> </span>restaurants smaller and public transport used far more often and readily available.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It amazes some of the Brits when they go to Utah to see how big the houses are especially in many cases for so few people who live in them.  Huge Ford Explorers, steak dinners that could feed a typical family of four.  When they go for the first time they come back thinking<span> </span>that it’s a land of excess.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know there have been many of the changes I have described above happening in Utah and throughout the states but there is not quite the buzz or emphasis on it that I see here at least IMO!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also have this theory that Mormons aren’t into green issues because</p>
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<li class="MsoNormal">Many believe the second      coming will be coming soon (God the creator of this earth will be able to      clean up the planet in a second, our efforts are pointless.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">We have to get our      priorities right &#8211; family, missionary work, ward service, temple      work.  Being green is definitely not a priority now</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">If it was important the      prophet and apostles would be vigorously emphasizing it during conference.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">It would be stressed and      accentuated in the manuals</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Gas guzzling cars &#8211; God      created fossil fuels for our use.  He created this earth and when we      run out God will inspire man to come up with an alternative fuel &#8211; he      always provides for us.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">God made fossil fuel for      our use and we are fortunate to be Americans and live in a place where      fuel is cheap and are blessed to be here.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">We have proven ourselves in      the pre-existence and in this life and we deserve the just rewards for      being faithful members</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">An attitude of the more physical stuff I have cars, houses, boats shows were being blessed abundantly</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span class="fullpost"><span style="&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">We have been hearing a lot about fuel and energy—about their high cost and limited supply, our unsafe and unpredictable dependence on their suppliers, and the need for new and sustainable sources of energy. I leave the discussion of these complicated issues to leaders of government and industry. The fuel I want to discuss is spiritual fuel. </span></span><span style="&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">Elder L. Tom Perry </span></li>
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		<title>Where would you go?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few posts on MormonMatters got me thinking once about my relationship with other faith groups.  For instance, a recent post on why it seems that ex-Mormons have a hard time joining other denominations.  Valoel wrote a blog post on what you&#8217;d do if you found out that the Church weren&#8217;t true through some sort of revelation (from God or otherwise), however the post had the caveat:  &#8220;For simplicity, the assumption for this topic is that no other church is a true alternative.&#8221; For me, I&#8217;ve found that if, for some reason, I discovered that if the Church isn&#8217;t true, I probably would join another faith.  Why? Though it&#8217;s not very chic these days to say so, I love religion AND organized religion.  I believe that there is a power in organization that simply can&#8217;t be found in a loosely-knit group of believers, and this is due to a recent visit to another faith that I will describe below.  I think organized religion brings people together and makes it easier to send relief when an emergency happens.  I don&#8217;t think I can believe in a &#8220;do-it-yourself&#8221; religion where you just completely pick and choose what beliefs to have.  That&#8217;s why [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few posts on MormonMatters got me thinking once about my relationship with other faith groups.  For instance, a recent <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/28/why-is-it-so-hard-for-ex-mormons-to-join-another-christian-denomination/">post</a> on why it seems that ex-Mormons have a hard time joining other denominations.  Valoel wrote a blog <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/20/five-difficult-words-to-contemplate/#more-1158">post</a> on what you&#8217;d do if you found out that the Church weren&#8217;t true through some sort of revelation (from God or otherwise), however the post had the caveat:  &#8220;For simplicity, the assumption for this topic is that no other church is a true alternative.&#8221;</p>
<p>For me, I&#8217;ve found that if, for some reason, I discovered that if the Church isn&#8217;t true, I probably would join another faith.  Why?</p>
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<p>Though it&#8217;s not very chic these days to say so, I love religion AND organized religion.  I believe that there is a power in organization that simply can&#8217;t be found in a loosely-knit group of believers, and this is due to a recent visit to another faith that I will describe below.  I think organized religion brings people together and makes it easier to send relief when an emergency happens.  I don&#8217;t think I can believe in a &#8220;do-it-yourself&#8221; religion where you just completely pick and choose what beliefs to have.  That&#8217;s why I feel that if I found out the Church isn&#8217;t true, I&#8217;d definitely go SOMEWHERE.  I&#8217;ve also spent a great deal of my life studying other religions and faiths because I love to know how other people think and feel.  This has led me to compile a list of possible places to go if I were to discover that the LDS faith were not the true faith.</p>
<p>Feel free to make your own list here!  My favorite religions, in no particular order, that I would consider joining if I left Mormonism.</p>
<p>1. <strong>Islam</strong></p>
<p>My parents have always been very supportive of my learning about other faiths, and my mom encouraged me to learn about Islam.  I love the simplicity and beauty of Islam.  I like the idea of Islam because they don&#8217;t claim to know who God is or what he looks like or what our purpose is here.  The idea is that we just obey Allah, we will be blessed and have peace.  In fact, the word Islam means &#8220;submission,&#8221; and the root of the word (SLM) in the language family has ties to the concept of &#8220;peace&#8221; (think &#8220;salem&#8221; in Hebrew).  I like the mandatory prayers.  Though repetitive, I love how they are required to take time out of their days and offer a peaceful tribute to Allah.  These prayers give the faithful the time to focus their thoughts on God.  It&#8217;s like a Sabbath moment, three times or more a day.  Fasting during Ramadan seems like it would be a great way to be thankful for the food God has given us.</p>
<p>If I found out the LDS Church isn&#8217;t true, I would be tempted to try Islam.  It would be my way of letting go and just trying to do what God asks me to do.  I admit, I do not like the organization of Islam.  The lack of any centralized authority means there are fundamentalists and extremists that put a violent spin on the Qur&#8217;an, and have become terrorists and murderers.  I would have a hard time dealing with these members of my own faith, as I consider myself to be peaceful and pacifistic.  Would I join the Sunni or Shi&#8217;ite sect?  Actually, I would probably join the <a title="Alevism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism">Alevi</a>.  I love the peaceful and accepting attitude of the Alevi in Turkey.  Though not &#8220;mainstream&#8221; Islam, they are a peaceful group of 10 million and as part of their beliefs, they believe that we should not judge others on their beliefs.  I love their ideas of trying to &#8220;perfect&#8221; yourself.  There is no Original Sin and our consciousness is perfect, therefore we search through our lives to understand and embrace this perfect consciousness.</p>
<p>2. <strong>Eastern Orthodoxy</strong></p>
<p>I have often said that if the Book of Mormon weren&#8217;t true, I&#8217;d have a hard time believing in Jesus of Nazareth.  It was the Book of Mormon that led me to believe in the Bible.  I wish we had books written by Jesus, or at least copies of the books about him from the original authors.  The idea that we only have copies of copies leaves me a bit queasy as far as evidence goes.  That having been said, if I wanted to stick with Christianity, I&#8217;d go for Eastern Orthodoxy.</p>
<p>I remember on my mission I got in quite a few &#8220;bashes.&#8221;  This wasn&#8217;t because I sought them out, of course, but because I was in West Texas, and there were many preachers and pastors out there who were attracted to us, just so they could argue.  Most of the time I feel like I did a great job of holding my own (thank you very much) but the only time I got floored, schooled, and beaten up in a bash was with a priest from an Orthodox Church.  His knowledge of early Christianity amazed me.  At the end of our &#8220;discussion,&#8221; I could have easily found myself saying, &#8220;Almost thou persuadest me to be an Eastern Orthodoxian.&#8221;  Or whatever they&#8217;re called.</p>
<p>I loved the idea of authority coming from the Apostles themselves.  The Orthodox Church seemed to be everything I loved in the Catholic Church without a couple of the annoying things that bother me about Catholicism (a more open canon, no pope, all Bishops are equal, less of the Church leadership is celibate, a &#8220;different&#8221; or more fluid idea of the Trinity).  To me, Orthodoxy seems like a purer, more mystical form of Christianity.  To find out more about Orthodoxy, read this excellent recent MormonMatters <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/02/my-visit-to-an-orthodox-christian-church/">post</a>.</p>
<p>3. <strong>Baha&#8217;i</strong></p>
<p>Russell and I recently visited the service of a local Baha&#8217;i congregation.  It was small and it was in a local &#8220;Commonality House&#8221; that can be rented by whatever groups wish to attend.  I loved Baha&#8217;i because, while I was there, I truly felt loved and appreciated.  The whole idea of Baha&#8217;i is the unity and brotherhood of man.  They accept the teachings of Christ, Moses, Mohammed, and most other holy men.  However, they also accept the teachings of Bahá&#8217;u'lláh, a prophet of the 19th Century in Persia.  I love this religion because of how included I felt.  There was no dogma to speak of, just love for one another.  If any group truly demonstrates Christlike love for one another, I found it here at the Baha&#8217;i church.  The amazing thing I found is that when my Baha&#8217;i friends came to visit me at the LDS church, they were amazingly good at interfaith discourse.  They participated in lessons, they understood what was taught, and they were well-liked and loved by the people they met.  They&#8217;re truly an amazing group of people to say the least.</p>
<p>However, the advantages of this Church, I believe are also the disadvantages.  Russ and I have been putting off a full write-up of the Baha&#8217;i faith, but the thing I noticed overwhelmingly is that the faith had no teeth.  There were few rules, the congregation was encouraged to be themselves, attend other churches, and find what&#8217;s right for them, and search for truths everywhere.  I almost got the feeling I could be Baha&#8217;i and Mormon at the same time.  The few &#8220;rules&#8221; that they DID have seemed to only be suggestions.  A faith that doesn&#8217;t require any sacrifices and didn&#8217;t really teach a &#8220;way to live&#8221; seems impotent, at least to me.  If there were a natural disaster in town, I&#8217;d much rather trust the Catholic Charities than the Baha&#8217;i, unfortunately.  I loved all my friends from the Baha&#8217;i church, though, and would love to visit them all again sometime.</p>
<p>4. <strong>The Community of Christ</strong></p>
<p>Ah, good old familiarity.  If I wanted to join a church and still have Nephi and Moroni and Joseph and Emma, I&#8217;d join the Community of Christ.  If somehow (I&#8217;m not sure how, but if somehow) the LDS Church were proven untrue in a way that still left the possibility open for Joseph Smith to be a prophet, I&#8217;d definitely visit the Community of Christ.  I love the Community of Christ because I&#8217;d still have Nephi the First (one of my personal faves), and I&#8217;d still be able to believe in Priesthood and Prophets.  The Community of Christ would give me a chance, not only to believe in these things, but explore them in new and interesting ways, because they are much more free-wheeling than the LDS Church.  They tend to place much of the search for truth in the hands of the believers.  This is easy to like, for me.  However, for the purposes of this discussion, I think choosing the Community of Christ might be cheating a little.</p>
<p>There are many other faiths I like to read about, but I&#8217;ll leave the rest of the discussion to you.</p>
<p>If the LDS Church weren&#8217;t true, and you DID have to join another Church, where would YOU go?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently I saw Religulous here and he touched on Horus here and a few of the parallels between the story of Horus and Jesus. Many Mormons when they start delving and  unravelling events in our history also delve into what they can find out about (possible origins) to the bible or even if you want to say conspiracy theories. Horus is one I have heard of members in our church and Christians of all faiths looking into as they go deeper into their historical studies of the Bible. Look at some of the comparisons sited by religious tolerance Event Horus Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus Conception: By a virgin. There is some doubt about this matter By a virgin. 8 Father: Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Only begotten son of Yehovah (in the form of the Holy Spirit). Mother: Meri. 9 Miriam (a.k.a. Mary). Foster father: Seb, (Jo-Seph). 9 Joseph. Foster father&#8217;s ancestry: Of royal descent. Of royal descent. Birth location: In a cave. In a cave or stable. Annunciation: By an angel to Isis, his mother. By an angel to Miriam, his mother. 8 Birth heralded by: The star Sirius, the morning star. An unidentified &#8220;star in [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Recently I saw Religulous </span><a href="http://www.lionsgate.com/religulous/">here</a><span> and he touched on Horus </span><a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SIMFz5ZKDVo">here</a> <span>and a few of the parallels between the story of Horus and Jesus.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Many Mormons when they start delving and  unravelling events in our history also delve into what they can find out about (possible origins) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span id="more-3878"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>to the bible or even if you want to say conspiracy theories. Horus is one I have heard of members in our church and Christians of all faiths looking into as they go deeper into their historical studies of the Bible. Look at some of the comparisons sited by religious tolerance</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span>Event</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span>Horus</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span>Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Conception:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By a virgin. There is <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm#vb">some doubt</a> about this matter</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By a virgin. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Father: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Only begotten son of the God Osiris. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Only begotten son of Yehovah (in the form of the Holy   Spirit).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Mother: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Meri. <strong><sub>9</sub></strong> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Miriam (a.k.a. Mary).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Foster father:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Seb, (Jo-Seph). <strong><sub>9</sub></strong> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Joseph.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Foster father&#8217;s ancestry: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Of royal descent. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Of royal descent.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth location: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In a cave. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In a cave or stable.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Annunciation: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By an angel to Isis, his mother. </span></p>
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<td width="266" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By an angel to Miriam, his mother. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth heralded by: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The star Sirius, the morning star. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>An unidentified &#8220;<em>star in the East.</em>&#8220;</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth date: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus   through the streets at the time of the <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/winter_solstice.htm">winter solstice</a> (typically DEC-21</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Celebrated on DEC-25. The date was chosen to occur on the   same date as the birth of Mithra, Dionysus and the Sol Invictus   (unconquerable Sun), etc.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth announcement</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>: By angels. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By angels. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth witnesses: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Shepherds. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Shepherds. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Later witnesses to birth: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Three solar deities. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Three wise men. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Death threat during infancy: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Herut tried to have Horus murdered. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Handling the threat: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The God <em>That</em> tells Horus&#8217; mother &#8220;<em>Come,   thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.</em>&#8221; </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>An angel tells Jesus&#8217; father to: &#8220;<em>Arise and take   the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.</em>&#8220;</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Rite of passage ritual: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Horus came of age with a special ritual,  when his   eye was restored. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Taken by parents to the temple for what is today called a   bar mitzvah ritual.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Age at the ritual: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>12 </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>12</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Break in life history: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>No data between ages of 12 &amp; 30. </span></p>
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<td width="266" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>No data between ages of 12 &amp; 30.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Baptism location: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the river Eridanus. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the river Jordan.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Age at baptism: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>30. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>30.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Baptized by: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Anup the Baptiser. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>John the Baptist.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Subsequent fate of the baptiser: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Beheaded. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Beheaded.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Temptation:.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain by   his arch-rival Satan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain by his   arch-rival Sut. Sut (a.k.a. Set) was a precursor for the Hebrew Satan.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Result of temptation: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Horus resists temptation. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jesus resists temptation.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Close followers: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Twelve disciples. There is <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm#dis">some doubt</a> about this matter as well. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Twelve disciples.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Activities: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick,   restored sight to the blind. He &#8220;<em>stilled the sea by his power</em>.&#8221; </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick,   restored sight to the blind. He ordered the sea with a &#8220;<em>Peace, be   still</em>&#8221; command.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Raising of the dead: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Horus raised Osirus, his dead father,  from the   grave. <strong><sub>10</sub></strong> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Location where the resurrection miracle occurred: 11.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Anu, an Egyptian city where the rites of the death, burial   and resurrection of Horus were enacted annually. <strong><sub>10</sub></strong> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hebrews added their prefix for house (&#8216;<em>beth</em>&#8220;)   to &#8220;<em>Anu</em>&#8221; to produce <em>&#8220;Beth-Anu&#8221;</em> or the   &#8220;<em>House of Anu</em>.&#8221; Since &#8220;u&#8221; and &#8220;y&#8221; were   interchangeable in antiquity, &#8220;<em>Bethanu</em>&#8221; became &#8220;<em>Bethany</em>,&#8221;   the location mentioned in John</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Transfigured: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On a mountain</span></p>
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<td width="266" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On a high mountain.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Key address(es): </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sermon on the Mount..</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sermon on the Mount; Sermon on the Plain</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Method of death </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By crucifixion</span></p>
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<td width="266" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>. By crucifixion.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Accompanied by: </span></p>
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<td width="255" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Two thieves. </span></p>
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<td width="266" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Two thieves.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Burial </span></p>
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<td width="255" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In a tomb. </span></p>
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<td width="266" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In a tomb.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Fate after death: </span></p>
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<td width="255" valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Descended into Hell; resurrected after three days. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Descended into Hell; resurrected after about 30 to 38   hours (Friday PM to presumably some time in Sunday AM) covering parts of   three days.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Resurrection announced by: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Women. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Women.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Is this whole thing grasping at straws or is it uncanny the parallels between the two stories of Horus and Jesus?</span></p>
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<p><span>Notes: </span><a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm">Religous Tolerance</a></p>
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		<title>A Brand New Year</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The onset of 2009 brings an opportunity for young people of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to renew their commitment to their faith while participating in a program of instruction, song and dance that reviews the activities of 2008. The program also introduces their theme as Mormon youth for the new year: “Be thou an example of the believers” (1 Timothy 4:12) Wow I had never seen such a sleek production done by the church some blogs have compared it too watching High School Musical. See you tube video here (please click high quality when you watch it). Its a whole new media style and attitude I have never seen in our church. Click here to see the News Press.Click here to Brand New Year Website &#8211; I found the videos pretty up beat and interesting. My English daughter who is out of young women&#8217;s found it cheesy-she thinks most American things are.  My wife thought it was a little too manufactured and OTT but she is English to. What do you think? Have any of the youth in your wards seen in it live or watched it ? Did they enjoy it or not?]]></description>
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<p>The onset of 2009             brings an opportunity for young people of The Church of             Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to renew their commitment             to their faith while participating in a program of             instruction, song and dance that reviews the activities of             2008. The program also introduces their theme as Mormon             youth for the new year: “Be thou an example of the             believers” (1 Timothy 4:12)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wow I had never seen such a sleek production done by the church some blogs have compared it too watching High School Musical. See you tube video <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbblj8hbKM&amp;feature=related">here</a> (please click high quality when you watch it).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Its a whole new media style and attitude I have never seen in our church.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Click <a href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/latter-day-saint-youth-celebrate-a-brand-new-year">here</a> to see the News Press.Click <a href="http://abrandnewyear.lds.org/index.html">here</a> to Brand New Year Website &#8211; I found the videos pretty up beat and interesting. My English daughter who is out of young women&#8217;s found it cheesy-she thinks most American things are.  My wife thought it was a little too manufactured and OTT but she is English to.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do you think?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have any of the youth in your wards seen in it live or watched it ?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Did they enjoy it or not?</p>
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		<title>The Problem with Authority</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mormons are sometimes criticized for their unquestioning obedience to authority.  Statements like &#8220;When the prophet has spoken, the thinking is done,&#8221; and the Primary song &#8220;Follow the prophet&#8221; come to mind as well as the belief that even if leaders are mistaken, we should follow them.  Do Mormons have an unhealthy respect for authority? In his new book, Outliers, Malcolm Gladwell shares some interesting and scary information that correlate plane crashes with a cultural respect for authority. He shares the story of a specific plane crash on Korean Air in which an analysis of the dialogue as recorded on the &#8220;black box&#8221; clearly shows (to someone who understands the language and what its built in deferential markers mean) that at least 2 of the crew members knew they were off course and in danger of crashing, but would not directly tell the pilot out of respect for his authority.  Because the pilot was exhausted and stressed out, he failed to notice their hints and instead flew the plane into the side of a mountain in foggy conditions, killing over 100 passengers &#38; crew. This problem is related to Power-Distance Index, or the cultural expectation of respect for hierarchy.  The PDI [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mormons are sometimes criticized for their unquestioning obedience to authority.  Statements like &#8220;When the prophet has spoken, the thinking is done,&#8221; and the Primary song &#8220;Follow the prophet&#8221; come to mind as well as the belief that even if leaders are mistaken, we should follow them.  Do Mormons have an unhealthy respect for authority?<span id="more-3823"></span></p>
<p>In his new book, Outliers, <a href="http://www.malcolmgladwell.com/index.html">Malcolm Gladwell</a> shares some interesting and scary information that correlate plane crashes with a cultural respect for authority. He shares the story of a specific plane crash on Korean Air in which an analysis of the dialogue as recorded on the &#8220;black box&#8221; clearly shows (to someone who understands the language and what its built in deferential markers mean) that at least 2 of the crew members knew they were off course and in danger of crashing, but would not directly tell the pilot out of respect for his authority.  Because the pilot was exhausted and stressed out, he failed to notice their hints and instead flew the plane into the side of a mountain in foggy conditions, killing over 100 passengers &amp; crew.</p>
<p>This problem is related to Power-Distance Index, or the cultural expectation of respect for hierarchy.  The PDI differs greatly from culture to culture and is ingrained into that culture, insinuated in both language &amp; customs.  Countries with high PDI had the following characteristics:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>High reliance on leaders for decision-making.</strong> Leaders are expected to be decisive, their decisions are followed without question; leaders are consulted for more routine decisions than in low PDI countries.</li>
<li><strong>Lower expectations of non-leaders. </strong>Non-leaders are discouraged from expressing opinions or making decisions (er, &#8220;the thinking is done&#8221;).  They are subordinates in every sense of the word.</li>
<li><strong>Restrictions on how subordinates are permitted to express their needs.</strong> In the highest PDI cultures, this is restricted to very indirect &#8220;hints,&#8221; which within the context of the culture are generally understood by leaders as a way for the leader to retain authority but save face.  However, this structure relies heavily on leaders&#8217; ability and willingness to listen and respond to these hints.</li>
<li><strong>Fear of backlash.</strong> In very high PDI countries, subordinates were sometimes physically struck when they irritated their leaders or were too direct.  Fear and intimidation clearly impacted how willing subordinates were to speak up.</li>
<li><strong>Strong reliance on rules &amp; plans.</strong> These cultures discourage deviation from accepted procedures, even when circumstances clearly dictate that normal procedures will be ineffective.</li>
</ul>
<p>Conversely, low PDI cultures are generally the opposite of the above:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Subordinate or employee-focused culture.</strong> Leaders tend to be apologetic about being leaders and ultra-sensitive to subordinates.  This is the basis for the concept of &#8220;servant leadership.&#8221;  (Or as Uncle Ben tells Peter Parker:  &#8220;With great power comes great responsibility.&#8221;)</li>
<li><strong>Shared responsibility for communication</strong>.  In a low PDI culture, the speaker is expected to ensure understanding.  The receiver of the message is also expected to listen attentively.  In a high PDI culture, only leaders are considered responsible for the receiving of the message.  The speaker&#8217;s input is not considered necessary anyway.</li>
<li><strong>Equality culture.</strong> Subordinates are valued as having unique roles or expertise that give them insight and make their input critical.  Their opinions are expected and weighed based on merit; there is a free exchange of ideas regardless of level.  Speaking up, even in disagreement with a superior may be rewarded in these cultures, even if done tactlessly or aggressively.</li>
<li><strong>High innovation and creativity.</strong> These cultures are very willing to abandon established procedures and brainstorm new ideas when circumstances dictate.  They tend to be flexible and innovative.</li>
</ul>
<p>Just to give you a taste, here&#8217;s how a few countries stacked up on PDI.  High PDI countries (with strong respect for authority):</p>
<ol>
<li>Brazil</li>
<li>South Korea</li>
<li>Morocco</li>
<li>Mexico</li>
<li>Philippines</li>
</ol>
<p>Low PDI countries (note the commonality created by language):</p>
<ol>
<li>New Zealand</li>
<li>Australia</li>
<li>South Africa</li>
<li>Ireland</li>
<li>United States</li>
</ol>
<p>So, based on these parameters, is Mormonism a high-PDI culture or a low-PDI culture or somewhere in between?  Does it vary by region or is it common across the entire religion, preserved in the language and customs and doctrines?  How much does it vary from person to person? What are the boundaries of respect for authority in Mormon culture (what would even the staunchest Saint refuse to do)?</p>
<p>Based on the above, I would have a hard time considering most Mormon culture to be high PDI (as I might have expected), yet there are some elements of both high and low PDI.  To some extent, this could be due to the fact that the concept of hierarchy is mixed:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Quorum Leadership</strong>.  There is an &#8220;oligarchy&#8221; in that we consider all the apostles to be &#8220;prophets&#8221; and their personalities differ greatly.  Yet all are viewed as being on the same &#8220;level.&#8221;  Some of them are high PDI individuals; others are low PDI.</li>
<li><strong>Christ as the Head</strong>.  Ultimately, we consider Christ to be at the head of the church, and since our notion of Christ is something personal (everyone can have a relationship with their Savior), we have a &#8220;bat phone&#8221; to the man at the top.  That&#8217;s usually a low PDI indicator.  The fact that Christ is not physically on the earth further reduces PDI.  Everyone&#8217;s notion of Christ has somewhat equal creedence so long as it is not directly and clearly contradicted by doctrine.</li>
<li><strong>Lay Clergy</strong>.  Positions are temporary, and we are all volunteers.  No one is being paid or truly promoted, and anyone could be called to serve in any capacity at any time.  There are instances of &#8220;unrighteous dominion&#8221; (high PDI), but there are also many committees and quorums making decisions at the lowest level possible (low PDI).  Again, there&#8217;s a lot of variation based on individuals in leadership having a high or low PDI personally.</li>
</ul>
<p>In general, I would say that the church is mixed, with both high and low PDI elements, and that it varies more from individual to individual (meaning there is not necessarily a predominant culture).  What do you think?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Can you be a Unitarian and a Mormon at the Same Time?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should gather all the good and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out true Mormons. Joseph Smith Are you a Unitarian without knowing it? We believe that: In the spirit of civil and religious liberty, equality of respect and opportunity is for everyone Everyone has the right to seek truth and meaning for themselves. The fundamental tools for doing this are your life experience, your reflection upon it, your intuitive understanding and the promptings of your own conscience. The best setting for this is a community that welcomes you for who you are, complete with your beliefs, doubts and questions. We can be called religious ‘liberals’: Religious because we unite to celebrate and affirm values that embrace and reflect a greater reality than self. Liberal because we claim no exclusive revelation or status for ourselves; because we afford respect and toleration to those who follow different paths of faith. We are called ‘Unitarians’: Because of our traditional insistence on divine unity, the oneness of God. Because we affirm the essential unity of humankind and of creation. A liberal approach Unitarians find their bond of unity in shared values, such as: The [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">We should gather all the good and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out true Mormons. Joseph Smith</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Are you a Unitarian without knowing it?<br />
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<p><strong><span style="Arial;">We believe that:</span></strong><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">In the spirit of <span style="normal;">civil</span> and <span style="normal;">religious</span> <span style="normal;">liberty</span>, <span style="normal;">equality</span> of <span style="normal;">respect</span> and <span style="normal;">opportunity</span> is for everyone</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Everyone has the right to <span style="normal;">seek</span> <span style="normal;">truth</span> and <span style="normal;">meaning</span> for themselves.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">The fundamental tools for doing this are your <span style="normal;">life experience</span>, your <span style="normal;">reflection</span> upon it, your <span style="normal;">intuitive understanding</span> and the promptings of your own conscience.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">The best setting for this is a community<strong> </strong>that welcomes you for who you are,      complete with your beliefs, doubts and questions.</span></li>
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<p><strong><span style="Arial;">We can be called religious ‘liberals’</span></strong><span style="Arial;">: </span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="Arial;">Religious</span></em><span style="Arial;"> because we unite      to<strong> </strong><span style="normal;">celebrate</span> and <span style="normal;">affirm</span> values      that embrace and reflect a <span style="normal;">greater      reality than self</span>.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="Arial;">Liberal</span></em><span style="Arial;"> because we      claim <span style="normal;">no exclusive revelation or      status</span> for ourselves; because we afford <span style="normal;">respect</span> and <span style="normal;">toleration</span> to those who follow <span style="normal;">different </span></span><span style="normal;">pa</span><span style="Arial;">ths</span><span style="Arial;"> of faith.</span></li>
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<p><strong><span style="Arial;">We are called ‘Unitarians’</span></strong><span style="Arial;">: </span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Because of our traditional insistence on<strong> </strong><span style="normal;">divine unity</span>, the oneness of      God.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Because we affirm the <span style="normal;">essential      unity</span> of humankind and of creation.</span></li>
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<p><strong><span style="Arial;">A liberal approach </span></strong></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">Unitarians find their bond of unity in shared values, such as: </span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">The nurture of life&#8217;s spiritual dimension.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">The use of reason and honest doubt in the search for truth.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Mutual respect and goodwill in personal relations.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Constructive tolerance and openness towards the sincerely-held      beliefs of others.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Peace, compassion, justice and democracy in human affairs.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Reverence for the earth and the whole natural system of which we      are part.</span></li>
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<p><span style="Arial;">It is the Unitarian experience that these values form a more effective foundation for true community than insistence on uniformity of belief and doctrine. Unitarians affirm that truth and humanity are best served where both the mind and the conscience are free. They maintain that no one book, institution or individual has the monopoly on truth, no matter what they may claim for themselves or their devotees may claim for them. Unitarians affirm that: </span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Every person&#8217;s life involves developing a value-system by which she      or he lives.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">People should enjoy individual liberty and private judgment in      spiritual matters.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Respect for integrity is preferable to the pressure to conform.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Beliefs may change in the light of new understanding and insight.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">The final authority for your faith lies within your own conscience.</span></li>
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<p><span style="Arial;">On our personal life journey we are aided and inspired by: </span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">The example and spiritual insights of others.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Writings deemed &#8216;holy&#8217; and &#8216;sacred&#8217; by the various faith-traditions      of humanity.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Inherited traditions of critical and philosophical thought.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">The ongoing creative work of artists, musicians and writers.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">The scientist&#8217;s search for knowledge and understanding.</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.unitarian.org.uk/images/Intro2.pdf">Here</a> Unitarian PDF A Faith worth thinking about?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You Tube video explains it very well!  <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=st5Pv3lsG60">Here<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Questions</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">As you probably know there are 5<sup>th</sup> Generation Mormon/Masons who receive all the privileges affiliated with the church</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">But can you be a non-theist=non Christian Unitarian and a Mormon </span><span style="Arial;">receive all the privileges affiliated with the church</span><span style="Arial;">? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="normal;">Even in our church there seems to be a growing number of active non-theist members?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="normal;">Aren’t we encouraged to have Inter-Faith Partnerships and Dialogue associate with religions whose teachings differ from ours?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Do you disagree with some of their teachings?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="Arial;">Do you identify with some of their teaching and principles more than you do with some LDS teachings?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What are some of the good principles we should gather together and bring into Mormonism?</p>
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		<title>Temperance Movement and The Word of Wisdom</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For almost two centuries the Word of Wisdom is solid proven evidence to many members that the Church is true. Jeff Lindsay [The Word of Wisdom] outlines principles of healthy living that go far beyond the scientific knowledge of the 1800s and much of this century…The 1833 dietary guidelines sound much like the recommended &#8220;food pyramid&#8221; produced by federally-funded research in the past decade. For me and perhaps many of you it has been one of those solid concepts that when you feel rickety about some of the doctrine you can always count on the solid foundations of the word of wisdom. What I never was taught though that before the word of wisdom there was the Temperance Movement. Temperance Movement In 1826 Marcus Morton had founded the American Temperance Society June, 1830, the Millenial Harbinger quoted in full, and with the hearty personal endorsement of Alexander Campbell, an article from the Philadelphia “Journal of Health,” The above in turn was quoting a widely circulated book, “The Simplicity of Health,” which article most strongly condemned the use of alcohol, tobacco, the eating intemperately of meats. Fascinating Facts on the Word of Wisdom/ Temperance Movement (The last one being the most [...]]]></description>
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<p><span style="Arial;">Jeff Lindsay </span><span style="Arial;">[The Word of Wisdom] outlines principles of healthy living that go far beyond the scientific knowledge of the 1800s and much of this century…The 1833 dietary guidelines sound much like the recommended &#8220;food pyramid&#8221; produced by federally-funded research in the past decade.</span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">For me and perhaps many of you it has been one of those solid concepts that when you feel rickety about some of the doctrine you can always count on the solid foundations of the word of wisdom. </span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">What I never was taught though that before the word of wisdom there was the Temperance Movement.</span></p>
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<p><strong><span style="Arial;">Temperance Movement</span></strong></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">In 1826 Marcus Morton had founded the American Temperance Society June, 1830, the <em>Millenial Harbinger</em> quoted in full, and with the hearty personal endorsement of Alexander Campbell, an article from the Philadelphia “Journal of Health,” The above in turn was quoting a widely circulated book, “The Simplicity of Health,” which article most strongly condemned the use of alcohol, tobacco, the eating intemperately of meats.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="Arial;">Fascinating Facts on the Word of Wisdom/ Temperance Movement<span> </span></span></strong><strong><span style="Arial;">(The last one being the most fascinating of them all)</span></strong></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">The church today interprets hot drinks to mean tea and coffee, although there is evidence that in the early history of the church all hot drinks were forbidden. </span><!--  /* Font Definitions */ @font-face 	{font-family:Wingdings; 	panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; 	mso-font-charset:2; 	mso-generic-font-family:auto; 	mso-font-pitch:variable; 	mso-font-signature:0 268435456 0 0 -2147483648 0;}  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0cm; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink 	{color:blue; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed 	{color:purple; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} p 	{margin-right:0cm; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0cm; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.Default, li.Default, div.Default 	{mso-style-name:Default; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0cm; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	mso-layout-grid-align:none; 	text-autospace:none; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	color:black; 	mso-ansi-language:EN-US;} @page Section1 	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt; 	margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; 	mso-header-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;}  /* List Definitions */ @list l0 	{mso-list-id:428621206; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l0:level1 	{mso-level-number-format:bullet; 	mso-level-text:; 	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt; 	font-family:Symbol;} @list l1 	{mso-list-id:1223060125; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l1:level1 	{mso-level-number-format:bullet; 	mso-level-text:; 	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt; 	font-family:Symbol;} @list l2 	{mso-list-id:1385527069; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698703 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l2:level1 	{mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt;} @list l3 	{mso-list-id:1690257833; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:775222730 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l3:level1 	{mso-level-number-format:bullet; 	mso-level-text:; 	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt; 	font-family:Symbol;} @list l4 	{mso-list-id:1903365381; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698703 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l4:level1 	{mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt;} @list l5 	{mso-list-id:1966539288; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l5:level1 	{mso-level-number-format:bullet; 	mso-level-text:; 	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt; 	font-family:Symbol;} ol 	{margin-bottom:0cm;} ul 	{margin-bottom:0cm;} --></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Word of Wisdom is by Lester Bush (physician). He shows how, contrary to recent assertions, the Word of Wisdom was actually what &#8220;medical science&#8221; in the 1820s and 1830s preached. Bush claims that the Word of Wisdom would have been far more useful (and prophetic) to the 19th Century Mormons had it included instructions to use only clean water and to adequately dispose of waste. In fact, &#8220;hot drinks&#8221; and some alcoholic beverages may have saved the lives of many 19th Century Mormons had they drank them instead of the unsanitary water in Nauvoo, along the plains, and in Utah.</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Although church leaders stress some portions of Joseph Smith’s Word of Wisdom, other portions are almost completely ignored. Mormon writer John J. Stewart observed: &#8220;The admonition to eat little meat is largely ignored, as are some other points of the revelation&#8221; </span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Temperance Societies were organized in great numbers during the early thirties, six thousand being formed in one year</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">The Temperance Society succeeded in eliminating a distillery in Kirtland on February 1, 1833, just twenty-seven days before the Latter-day Saint revelation counseling abstinence was announced, and that the distillery at Mentor, near Kirtland, was also closed at the same time (<em><span style="underline;">Brigham Young University Studies</span></em><span style="underline;">, Winter 1959, pp.39-40</span>).</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">On October 6, 1830, the Kirtland Temperance Society was organized with two hundred thirty nine members. Among its members were listed a George Smith, several Morleys, a Wells, a Coe, and a Lyman. names all associated with the history of Mormonism</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">A few years before the Word of Wisdom, Robert Owen had abolished the use of ardent spirits in his community at New Harmony.</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Whitney R. Cross points out that &#8220;the temperance movement &#8230; began much earlier&#8230; During the 1830&#8242;s it attained national scope. &#8230; Further, if alcohol was evil because it frustrated the Lord&#8217;s design for the human body, other drugs like tea, coffee, and tobacco must be equally wrong &#8230; Josiah Bissell&#8230;. had even before the 1831 revival &#8216;got beyond Temperance to the Cold Water Society—no tea, coffee or any other slops.&#8217; &#8221;</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Joseph </span><span style="Arial;">tested </span><span style="Arial;">the </span><span style="Arial;">saints </span><span style="Arial;">to </span><span style="Arial;">make </span><span style="Arial;">sure </span><span style="Arial;">their </span><span style="Arial;">testi</span><span style="Arial;">monies </span><span style="Arial;">were </span><span style="Arial;">of </span><span style="Arial;">his </span><span style="Arial;">religion </span><span style="Arial;">and </span><span style="Arial;">not </span><span style="Arial;">of </span><span style="Arial;">him </span><span style="Arial;">as </span><span style="Arial;">a </span><span style="Arial;">personable </span><span style="Arial;">leader. </span><span style="Arial;">Amasa </span><span style="Arial;">Lyman </span><span style="Arial;">of </span><span style="Arial;">the </span><span style="Arial;">first </span><span style="Arial;">Presidency related </span><span style="Arial;">Joseph </span><span style="Arial;">Smith </span><span style="Arial;">trying </span><span style="Arial;">the </span><span style="Arial;">faith </span><span style="Arial;">of </span><span style="Arial;">the </span><span style="Arial;">saints </span><span style="Arial;">many </span><span style="Arial;">times </span><span style="Arial;">by </span><span style="Arial;">his </span><span style="Arial;">peculiarities. </span><span style="Arial;">At</span><span style="Arial;"> </span><span style="Arial;">one </span><span style="Arial;">time he had preached </span><span style="#000000;">a </span><span style="#000000;">powerful </span><span style="#000000;">sermon </span><span style="#000000;">on </span><span style="#000000;">the </span><span style="#000000;">word </span><span style="#000000;">of </span><span style="#000000;">wisdom </span><span style="#000000;">and </span><span style="#000000;">immediately </span><span style="#000000;">thereafter </span><span style="#000000;">he </span><span style="#000000;">rode </span><span style="#000000;">through </span><span style="#000000;">the </span><span style="#000000;">streets </span><span style="#000000;">of </span><span style="#000000;">Nauvoo </span><span style="#000000;">smoking </span><span style="#000000;">a </span><span style="#000000;">cigar. </span><span style="Arial;"><a href="http://patriot.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.phpCISOROOT=/MTGM&amp;CISOPTR=3327&amp;CISOSHOW=3264">http://patriot.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.phpCISOROOT=/MTGM&amp;CISOPTR=3327&amp;CISOSHOW=3264</a></span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;">Questions</p>
<p class="Default" style="justify;"><span style="Arial;">Do you have a problem with the temperance movement being, so to speak, the forefather to the word of wisdom? </span></p>
<p class="Default" style="justify;"><span style="Arial;">If the Word of Wisdom was derived from the Temperance movement does that make it feel a little less inspired to you? </span></p>
<p class="Default" style="justify;"><span style="Arial;">If the Word of Wisdom was derived from the Temperance Movement why don&#8217;t we show it in the manuals?</span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">Can you still count on the solid foundations of the word of wisdom or does the Temperance Movement make it feel rickety? </span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">Does it really matter where the word of wisdom came from &#8211; it’s a net positive if you live it?</span></p>
<p>http://ldslivingmagazine.com/articles/show/934</p>
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		<title>Article of Faith 12: Obey the Government.  Always?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Article of Faith 12: “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.” “Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe in obeying the laws of the country in which they live. Members of the Church are counseled to be good citizens, to participate in civil government and the political process, and to render community service as concerned citizens.” reference: Mormon.org Obeying the law and being good citizens in the larger community is a foundational principle of our Church. In the 20th century, our consistency with this principle opened surprising doors in countries closed to other religious denominations. The former German Democratic Republic (East Germany) allowed the LDS Church to build a temple in Freiburg in the late 1980’s. It was still a communist, cold-war, Soviet satellite nation. The peaceful and obedient example set by members of the LDS Church trapped behind the Iron Curtain after WWII gave the East German government the level of confidence they needed to accept such a religious structure in their land. The Freiburg temple was actually the FIRST temple built on German soil. The West German temple was built a couple years [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe in obeying the laws of the country in which they live.<span> </span>Members of the Church are counseled to be good citizens, to participate in civil government and the political process, and to render community service as concerned citizens.” <a title="reference link" href="http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/the-commandments/obey-and-honor-the-law" target="_blank">reference: Mormon.org<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal">Obeying the law and being good citizens in the larger community is a foundational principle of our Church.<span> </span>In the 20<sup>th</sup> century, our consistency with this principle opened surprising doors in countries closed to other religious denominations.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/freiberg_lds_mormon_temple.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2459" style="margin: 10px 20px;" title="Freiburg Temple" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/freiberg_lds_mormon_temple.jpg" alt="Freiburg Temple" width="288" height="216" /></a>The former German Democratic Republic (East   Germany) allowed the LDS  Church to build a temple in Freiburg in the late 1980’s.<span> </span>It was still a communist, cold-war, Soviet satellite nation.<span> </span>The peaceful and obedient example set by members of the LDS  Church trapped behind the Iron Curtain after WWII gave the East German government the level of confidence they needed to accept such a religious structure in their land.<span> </span>The Freiburg temple was actually the FIRST temple built on German soil.<span> </span>The West German temple was built a couple years later.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The positive aspects of being engaged with, and supportive of governments, being obedient to the laws of the land, and honoring our communities has been a great tool to reach out with the Gospel.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to pose this question:<span> </span>Where do we draw the line? <span> </span>When do we have to say “no?”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There certainly has to be a point where we can not obey the law.<span> </span>Jesus answered the Pharisees and <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/e2005-35.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2460 alignright" style="margin: 10px 20px;" title="e2005-35" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/e2005-35.jpg" alt="Caesar\'s Coins" width="99" height="48" /></a>Herodians “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar&#8217;s; and unto God the things that are God&#8217;s.”<span> </span>At some points in history though, “Caesar” crosses the line.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is it acceptable to go to war and kill other people for our rulers?<span> </span>I’m not talking about defending ourselves from direct attack, but to “protect our international interests.”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is it ok for members to actively support a government that represses basic freedoms?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/east-german-border.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2461 aligncenter" title="east-german-border" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/east-german-border.jpg" alt="East German Border Guards" width="91" height="119" /></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is it noble for members to actively support a government that imprisons and tortures political dissidents?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/north-korea1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2462" title="north-korea1" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/north-korea1.jpg" alt="North Korean Border" /></a><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/north-korea2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2463" title="north-korea2" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/north-korea2.jpg" alt="North Korean Border Guards" width="108" height="81" /></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">At what point do faithful LDS members have an obligation to actively oppose their rulers?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What is your personal line in the sand?  I would love to hear what you all think about this personally.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[Please note, I will actively moderate rants about specific countries or political parties that do not add to a constructive and positive discussion.  Thank you in advance for that cooperation!]</p>
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		<title>Prophetic Smackdown:  Moses vs. Joseph Smith</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s post is from an anonymous guest blogger.  The critics of the church like to point the finger at Joseph Smith, citing polygamy, concealing polygamy, the Kirtland Bank failure, etc.  Could Moses withstand the same scrutiny?  Let&#8217;s take a look.Moses promised to take the Hebrews to the promised land, but he didn&#8217;t, he kept them in the desert 40 years.  He lied.  Then, when he failed to deliver the goods, he claimed it was due to the Hebrews&#8217; lack of faith.  We&#8217;ve all heard that one before!  Joseph Smith promised to establish Zion in Missouri, but instead, led everyone on a pointless &#8220;character-building&#8221; camping trip before conceding failure.  And, once again, the failure of the mission was blamed on the people.  But a 40 year camping trip gone bad?  C&#8217;mon, Moses wins this one. He was a murderer (killed an Egyptian).  Joseph Smith was not accused of murder, but he did destroy a printing press and engage in suspicious treasure-digging endeavors.  Even so, Moses wins this one. He was a thief and organized criminal, instructing his people to plunder the Egyptians and take everything of value that wasn&#8217;t nailed down when they left.  Joseph Smith told the early Saints in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s post is from an anonymous guest blogger.  The critics of the church like to point the finger at <span id="lw_1219627885_0" class="yshortcuts">Joseph Smith</span>, citing polygamy, concealing polygamy, the Kirtland Bank failure, etc.  Could Moses withstand the same scrutiny?  Let&#8217;s take a look.<span id="more-1304"></span><img class="alignright" src="http://globalfire.tv/nj/graphs/moses.jpg" alt="http://globalfire.tv/nj/graphs/moses.jpg" width="154" height="132" />Moses promised to take the Hebrews to the <span id="lw_1219627885_1" class="yshortcuts" style="border-bottom: medium none; background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%; cursor: pointer;">promised land</span>, but he didn&#8217;t, he kept them in the desert 40 years.  He lied.  Then, when he failed to deliver the goods, he claimed it was due to the Hebrews&#8217; lack of faith.  We&#8217;ve all heard that one before!  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Joseph Smith promised to establish Zion in Missouri, but instead, led everyone on a pointless &#8220;character-building&#8221; camping trip before conceding failure.  And, once again, the failure of the mission was blamed on the people.  But a 40 year camping trip gone bad?  C&#8217;mon, Moses wins this one.</span></p>
<p>He was a murderer (killed an Egyptian).  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Joseph Smith was not accused of murder, but he did destroy a printing press and engage in suspicious treasure-digging endeavors.  Even so, Moses wins this one.</span></p>
<p>He was a thief and organized criminal, instructing his people to plunder the Egyptians and take everything of<br />
value that wasn&#8217;t nailed down when they left.  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Joseph Smith told the early Saints in Missouri to abandon their homes that were then destroyed or plundered by neighbors.  Once again, Moses wins.</span></p>
<p>He abandoned his people in the desert for long periods of time, then when they struggled due to his own absentee leadership, he blamed them (<span id="lw_1219627885_2" class="yshortcuts">Exodus</span> 32:1).  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Many early church leaders left due to weaknesses they perceived in Joseph.  Let&#8217;s call this one a draw.</span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://scatt.bilegrip.com/goldencalf.jpg" alt="http://scatt.bilegrip.com/goldencalf.jpg" width="105" height="87" />He was a mass-murderer, ordering his enforcers to slaughter 3000 men for worshiping the <span id="lw_1219627885_3" class="yshortcuts" style="border-bottom: 1px dashed #0066cc; cursor: pointer;">golden calf</span> (Exodus 32:28).  Then he tried to poison them by making them drink it.  <span style="color: #0000ff;">On the Zion&#8217;s camp journey, they did have to drink some pretty disgusting swamp water.  Still, not even close on this one&#8211;Moses takes it.</span></p>
<p>He hypocritically spared the life of his brother, who was the one who made the calf/idol in the first place.   Nepotism!  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Joseph frequently misjudged others&#8217; character out of love and loyalty for them, often to his own detriment.  Whether bolstering his father&#8217;s confidence or entrusting John C. Bennett with a leadership role he was unworthy to hold, Joseph often erred on the side of mercy with those whom he loved.  This looks like a draw.</span></p>
<p>He denied freedom-of-religion to those wanted to worship the golden calf and other idols.  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Joseph&#8217;s political platform and the voting bloc of the early church caused many to fear that the church was becoming too powerful and would deny freedoms to neighbors and rights to citizens.  And those fears appear to be alive and well today in certain parts of the country.  But, given that one of our Articles of Faith specifically speaks to allowing all to worship how they choose, Moses once again wins this one.</span></p>
<p>He was a bigamist.  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Joseph has 33 wives of record during his life time, some of which may have been platonic and none of which were openly co-habitating with him (unless you count Fanny Alger); still we have to give this one to Joseph.</span></p>
<p>Oh, and he was very homophobic, sexist (calling women unclean, and they were unclean for twice as long if they gave birth to a female child as opposed to a male child&#8211;how insulting!)  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Joseph created the Relief Society and did not prohibit women from practicing the priesthood, although he also did not specifically ordain women to the offices in the priesthood.  Joseph was pretty progressive for his day; Moses clearly wins this one.</span></p>
<p>He was bigoted, prejudiced and provincial (he wouldn&#8217;t let his people date or marry non-Hebrews). <span style="color: #0000ff;"> Joseph welcomed all visitors openly, offering his home to all, regardless of their race or religion.  He crafted a plan to buy and free all slaves so that their owners would not come after them for retribution, and his presidential platform was anti-slavery.  Moses was clearly the more bigoted.</span></p>
<p>I think with some research, one could come up with a lot more indictments on Moses&#8217; character.</p>
<p>So, for those who like to criticize Joseph Smith, does this list more securely solidify him as a prophet?  Or do two wrongs not make a right?  Is Moses&#8217; character simply characteristic of his era, or has the historical record been embellished over time?  How does the Lord work through imperfect prophets?  How do other modern-day prophets&#8217; flaws stack up against these historical precedents?  Are modern-day prophets&#8217; flaws evidence that humanity is evolving or that message control is getting tighter or something else?  Discuss.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome back to News Matters&#8211; a news feature which presents an LDS look at current events with an opportunity for our readers to interact from a Mormon viewpoint.  Your thoughts are welcome&#8211;just remember we all bring a different slant to the table, and be respectful. Sanya Richards, Olympic athlete, is confident that she will be the first to cross the finish line in the 400 meter race.   91,000 fans at Beijing National Stadium and millions more on television will be watching the event.  Richard plans to drop to her knees, say a quick prayer and then point skyward in spiritual appreciation. This might not be a problem if the Olympics was being held in any of a number of countries. However, the Chinese government frowns upon public displays of faith outside state-sanctioned religious events and does not allow proselytizing. This news story came to my attention because Olympic athletes who plan to openly display their faith on the playing field face somewhat the same dilemma my family did when we lived in Saudi Arabia this past year.  Saudi is another country which does not allow public religious meetings or proselyting.  While our local leaders advised us not to proselyte, we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Welcome back to News Matters&#8211; a news feature which presents an LDS look at current events with an opportunity for our readers to interact from a Mormon viewpoint.  Your thoughts are welcome&#8211;just remember we all bring a different slant to the table, and be respectful.</em></p>
<p>Sanya Richards, Olympic athlete, is confident that she will be the first to cross the finish line in the 400 meter race.   91,000 fans at Beijing National Stadium and millions  more on television will be watching the event.  Richard plans to drop to her knees, say  a quick prayer and then point skyward in spiritual appreciation. This might not be a problem if the Olympics was being held in any of a number of countries. However, the Chinese government frowns upon public displays of faith outside  state-sanctioned religious events and does not allow proselytizing. <span id="more-943"></span></p>
<p>This news story came to my attention because Olympic athletes who plan to openly display their faith on the playing field face somewhat the same dilemma my family did when we lived in Saudi Arabia this past year.  Saudi is another country which does not allow public religious meetings or proselyting.  While our local leaders advised us not to proselyte, we did hold worship services surreptitiously.  Perhaps the situation is a bit different because of the scale and the publicity involved.  But the issue raises questions for religious adherants.  Should respect for others&#8217; beliefs be the overriding consideration in actions performed while in their countries?  Or should one stand as a beacon for what they believe and &#8220;let the consequence follow?&#8221;</p>
<p>In 1968 when John Carlos and Tommie Smith stood on the Olympic medal podium in Mexico City and raised their fists in the black power salute, not only were they were suspended from their national team and banned from the Olympic Village  where the athletes lived during the games, they were also vilified for years to  come. Reaction to their act of civil disobedience was so strong that they and  their families even received death threats.  Today, the act is seen as courageous and respected.  They were recently awarded the Arthur Ashe Award for Courage at last month&#8217;s ESPYs.</p>
<p>How should religion and respect for others&#8217; sensibilities be negotiated?  How far have Latter-day Saints carried civil disobedience in the past, and has it changed today?</p>
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