<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd"
	xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
>

<channel>
	<title>Mormon Matters &#187; joseph</title>
	<atom:link href="http://mormonmatters.org/category/joseph/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://mormonmatters.org</link>
	<description>A weekly podcast exploring Mormon culture and current events.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:03:05 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<copyright>2006-2007 </copyright>
	<managingEditor>dan.wotherspoon@me.com (Mormon Matters)</managingEditor>
	<webMaster>dan.wotherspoon@me.com (Mormon Matters)</webMaster>
	<ttl>1440</ttl>
	<image>
		<url>http://mormonmatters.org/podcast/MormonMatters144.jpg</url>
		<title>Mormon Matters</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org</link>
		<width>144</width>
		<height>144</height>
	</image>
	<itunes:new-feed-url>http://www.mormonmatters.org/rssmm.xml</itunes:new-feed-url>
	<itunes:subtitle>A weekly podcast exploring Mormon current events, pop culture, politics and spirituality</itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:summary>A weekly podcast exploring Mormon current events, pop culture, politics and spirituality</itunes:summary>
	<itunes:keywords>mormon, lds</itunes:keywords>
	<itunes:category text="Religion &#38; Spirituality">
		<itunes:category text="Christianity" />
	</itunes:category>
	<itunes:category text="Religion &#38; Spirituality">
		<itunes:category text="Spirituality" />
	</itunes:category>
	<itunes:author>Mormon Matters</itunes:author>
	<itunes:owner>
		<itunes:name>Mormon Matters</itunes:name>
		<itunes:email>dan.wotherspoon@me.com</itunes:email>
	</itunes:owner>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:image href="http://mormonmatters.org/podcast/MormonMattersLogo2.gif" />
		<item>
		<title>Resolving the Conflict between the TBM and the ExMo</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/12/resolving-the-conflict-between-the-tbm-and-the-exmo/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/12/resolving-the-conflict-between-the-tbm-and-the-exmo/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[blacks]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[orthodox]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[resolutions]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[truth]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=12450</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s guest post comes from Ulysseus, a frequent commenter at Mormon Matters and elsewhere in the b&#8217;nacle.  His website can be found here. To take a line from Shakespeare &#8212; a pox upon both your houses. The Ex-Mos and TBMs continue to argue past each other and never the twain shall meet. While the thought of a kind, loving heavenly being comforts and then closes the ears of the believer, the list of inconsistencies, logical disconnects and &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; cliches assuages and then closes the ears of the non-believer. Unless you frame your debate, it will continue to be unproductive, each side creating their own echo chamber of reinforcement until the cacophony makes it impossible for anyone to hear what is going on. Here is where I would propose to take the discussion: How do you reconcile the conflicts? To quote this guy I once read, &#8220;By proving contraries, truth is made manifest.&#8221; Bonus points if you can tell me who said that. The discussion then moves from cliche and rote response to a value and factual discussion in an attempt to find common ground. For example: Blacks and the priesthood. The Word of God is for all of God&#8217;s children. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Today&#8217;s guest post comes from Ulysseus, a frequent commenter at Mormon Matters and elsewhere in the b&#8217;nacle.  His website can be found <a href="http://mormonroth.blogspot.com/">here</a>. </em></p>
<p>To take a line from Shakespeare &#8212; a pox upon both your houses.  The Ex-Mos and TBMs continue to argue past each other and never the twain shall meet. While the thought of a kind, loving heavenly being comforts and then closes the ears of the believer, the list of inconsistencies, logical disconnects and &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; cliches assuages and then closes the ears of the non-believer.<span id="more-12450"></span></p>
<p>Unless you frame your debate, it will continue to be unproductive, each side creating their own echo chamber of reinforcement until the cacophony makes it impossible for anyone to hear what is going on.</p>
<p>Here is where I would propose to take the discussion:  How do you reconcile the conflicts?   To quote this guy I once read, &#8220;By proving contraries, truth is made manifest.&#8221;   Bonus points if you can tell me who said that.  The discussion then moves from cliche and rote response to a value and factual discussion in an attempt to find common ground.</p>
<p>For example:  Blacks and the priesthood.  The Word of God is for all of God&#8217;s children.  You are punished for your own sins, not Adam&#8217;s transgressions (or Cain&#8217;s.)  Racism is a rampant cultural and historical phenomenon which prompted violent conflict between those who thought racism violated God&#8217;s law and those who believed their race was chosen by God to rule over the lesser beings (both sides used religion as the basis for their beliefs &#8212; one of those contraries Joseph was talking about.).</p>
<p>The argument came to a head in the spring of 1820 (bonus points if you know what else happened in the spring of 1820)  in the United States with a Missouri Compromise.  The Compromise held the Union together for about forty more years until war broke out, but the entire time temperatures were broiling on the race issue in the United States.  Northern (upper state New York) abolitionist leaning religions moving south into Missouri and southern Illinois were not well received.</p>
<p>Not surprising that depending on your viewpoint the ban on blacks holding the priesthood came from:<br />
a) false doctrine;<br />
b) the human capacity for self-deception while striving for self-preservation;<br />
c) individual racism of some church leaders;<br />
d) conforming to the current societal norms; or<br />
e) some other reason arising out of the factual scenario.</p>
<p>The anti- and the pro- both believe that the whole racism thing was a bad idea, they just get there different ways.  Conflict resolved, sort of.</p>
<p>So who is right?  How should we define, the capital T, &#8220;Truth&#8221;?  I&#8217;m going to come clean right now &#8212; I&#8217;m in the Joseph Smith camp on this one, at least for how to determine Truth.  The reason I&#8217;m in the Joseph Smith camp is that he is also in the  historical philosophical tradition of the American Enlightenment and the scientific method and he made one of the first attempts to apply that philosophy to religious thought.   Joseph Smith also had a strong sense of American individualism &#8212; study it out and figure it out for yourself.   How he succeeded can be argued, but I love the empirical, scientific approach to religion.  (To avoid numerous digressions into atheism, geology, cosmology and science, I&#8217;m only talking in this post about applying an empirical, scientific approach to internal subjective experience.)</p>
<p>The scientific method gives us a mechanism for creating hierarchal judgments on different hypotheses &#8212; the hypothesis that is the most consistent with all the data is the most correct, the most true hypothesis.</p>
<p>Another way of saying this is Truth is inclusive.  If you draw lines that exclude, you don&#8217;t have the Truth, you&#8217;ve left something out.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith believed this and it shows in his theology, for example eternal progression and baptism for the dead.  He wanted everything included and this is a huge comfort point for believers.  It leads to a Mormon mother&#8217;s common belief that a non-believing child can eventually end up  in the temple and end up included, despite the past.  What a comfort that must be to her, based on her own world view.</p>
<p>So I am looking at TBM&#8217;s hypothesis which says  &#8220;my view is right because it is more inclusive, God&#8217;s plan provides eternal salvation for all mankind, even Ex-Mos.&#8221;</p>
<p>The conflicting Ex-Mo hypothesis is &#8220;my view is right because the reality and data coming out of the religion is that the religion does exactly the opposite of include all mankind, it excludes everyone except the elect.&#8221;</p>
<p>So there are the two contraries, how do we manifest Truth.  In the spirit of Johnathan Swift, let me make a modest proposal:  Eat the children to stop the famine (sorry literary joke that I couldn&#8217;t resist).</p>
<p>Seriously, the TBM&#8217;s hypothesis fails because despite the efforts of the Church at inclusion theologically, the reality is countless people feel excluded and some are even forced to be excluded by a process known as excommunication.  Just makes the whole &#8220;one heart, one mind&#8221; thing seem a little narrow and false.</p>
<p>The counter hypothesis and its proponents equally fail because it fails to include the large group who devoutly believes.  This makes it equally weak and equally vulnerable to attack by those believers.</p>
<p>My proposed hypothesis, neither of you are correct.  I&#8217;ve studied it out.  Thought about it.  Prayed about it.  I came up with the answer that neither of you were true. (Told you I was in the Joseph Smith camp).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/12/resolving-the-conflict-between-the-tbm-and-the-exmo/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>49</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Why Mormon History is Not What They Say</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/02/why-mormon-history-is-not-what-they-say/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/02/why-mormon-history-is-not-what-they-say/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[polygamy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[succession]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[truth]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=12345</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Our controversial guest post today is from Rock Waterman.  Check out the original unabridged post at his blog, Pure Mormonism, so titled from his observation that the organic religion founded by Joseph Smith was nondogmatic and libertarian. A couple of weeks ago Jeff Riggenbach sent me his latest book, Why American History Is Not What They Say: An Introduction To Revisionism. I’ve had a passion for revisionist history for as long as I can remember, but something I read in Riggenbach’s informative volume caught me up short. It was an essential factor that I had never known or considered before, and which just so happens to have direct application to why the historical record about Joseph Smith and Polygamy is so confusing and contradictory. While doing the research for her biography of Joseph Smith back in the 1940&#8242;s, Fawn Brodie wrote to a friend that “the more I work with the polygamy material, the more baffled I become.” She has not been alone. Every biographer since has struggled with the dichotomy of what Joseph Smith asserted and what the historical record appears to show. I think Jeff Riggenbach may have uncovered the explanation for us. Correcting The Past If the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Rock-e1280696569269.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-12351 alignleft" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Rock" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Rock-e1280696569269.jpg" alt="" width="70" height="90" /></a>Our controversial guest post today is from Rock Waterman.  Check out the original unabridged post at his blog, <a href="http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-mormon-history-is-not-what-they-say.html">Pure Mormonism</a>, so titled from his observation that the organic religion founded by Joseph Smith was nondogmatic and libertarian.</em></p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago <a href="http://mises.org/articles.aspx?AuthorId=1218">Jeff Riggenbach</a> sent me his latest book, <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00275PS2Q/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1280584038&amp;sr=1-1&amp;condition=new">Why American History Is Not What They Say: An Introduction To Revisionism.</a></em> I’ve had a passion for revisionist history for as long as I can remember, but something I read in Riggenbach’s informative volume caught me up short. It was an essential factor that I had never known or considered before, and which just so happens to have direct application to why the historical record about Joseph Smith and Polygamy is so confusing and contradictory.</p>
<p>While doing the research for her biography of Joseph Smith back in the 1940&#8242;s, Fawn Brodie wrote to a friend that “the more I work with the polygamy material, the more baffled I become.” She has not been alone. Every biographer since has struggled with the dichotomy of what Joseph Smith asserted and what the historical record appears to show.</p>
<p>I think Jeff Riggenbach may have uncovered the explanation for us.<span id="more-12345"></span></p>
<h3><strong>Correcting The Past</strong></h3>
<p>If the study of history can be defined as &#8220;the science of discovering what happened,&#8221; then revisionism is the forensic science of methodically re-sifting through the evidence of the past to get at the truth of what <em>really</em> happened. According to Joseph R. Stromberg, “revisionism refers to any efforts to revise a faulty existing historical record or interpretation.”</p>
<p>Harry Elmer Barnes, the father of modern revisionist history, describes revisionism as “the effort to revise the historical record in the light of a more complete collection of historical facts, a more calm political atmosphere, and a more objective attitude.” As Riggenbach himself succinctly puts it, “We need to revise the historical record when we have new facts.”</p>
<p>What surprised me about Riggenbach’s book &#8212; and which is directly applicable to our discussion here &#8212; is his revelation that until quite recently there was no such thing as “history” as we usually think of it; that is, the kind of history that could actually be relied upon:</p>
<blockquote><p>“It was the tail end of the 19th century before the calling of the historian had been professionalized and academicized to such an extent that a majority of practitioners in the field had come to hold the view of their discipline that we now take for granted -the historian as dispassionate seeker of truth, a scholar, much more like an anthropologist&#8230;Still, there were holdouts.” (Pg 27)</p></blockquote>
<p>One “holdout” in the arena of Mormon historians may have been Joseph Fielding Smith, whose book <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/essentialsinchur00smitrich">Essentials in Church History</a> was a book all missionaries were armed with in my day, and which turns out to have been of no more real use to the student of Mormon history than the <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report">9/11 Commission Report</a> </em>is today for the person desiring to find out the complete truth about that particular event.  I relied upon Elder Smith’s book during my mission when I gave a presentation to a class of high school seniors in Milan, Missouri where I used it to refute “anti-Mormon lies” about Mormon complicity in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Elder Smith (an apostle at the time he wrote it) placed the blame for the massacre squarely on the local Indians and John D. Lee, who he painted as a renegade Mormon with only a tenuous connection to the church. At any rate, he strongly implied, the members of the Fancher party were asking for it and had it coming.  Even today I feel like a dupe and a fool when I remember how vehemently I defended the official church position against what was the real truth of that sordid affair.</p>
<p>But to give him his due, Joseph Fielding Smith was little different than any other compiler of American history a hundred years ago, including the most famous and reputable of all, George Bancroft, whose ten volume <em>History of the United States</em>, published in 1874, remained the unchallenged standard work for decades. But even Bancroft’s classic <em>History</em> was far from objective:</p>
<p>“Bancroft believed that his job was to write a chronicle that would make his readers proud of their country’s history, and when it suited his didactic purpose, he fabricated.” (<em>Why American History Is Not What They </em>Say, Pg 27)</p>
<p>It was not only Bancroft who was making up history to suit his agenda; Riggenbach demonstrates how this &#8220;style&#8221; was common among virtually all historians of the time. He shows how &#8220;most of them saw themselves in particular as the providers of an important kind of inspirational literature.&#8221; Facts were elastic. This practice of bending reality to fit the lesson plan was rampant in the 19th century. It was systemic. And it was considered normal. One can easily see the parallels between writers wishing to portray actions of the American government favorably, and those within the LDS church tasked with portraying Mormon history in the most positive light. According to Riggenbach:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The American history taught in most schools during the past hundred years faithfully reflected received opinion, and received opinion sees the United States as a consistent, devoted partisan of the same spirit of individual liberty that once moved its founders -a peace-loving nation that wishes the rest of the world only the best, and never goes to war except in self-defense.”</p>
<p>“Apply this set of principles to what we know of the past and, at the end of the day, you’ll wind up with quite a pile of facts that didn’t meet the criteria and now litter the cutting room floor.”</p>
<p>“The facts about the gross violations of individual liberty that have been championed by U.S. presidents almost since the beginning, for example -John Adams’s Sedition Acts, Andrew Jackson’s genocidal treatment of the American Indians, Abraham Lincoln’s military conscription (to say nothing of his suspension of habeas corpus and his imprisonment of newspaper editors who dared to disagree with his prosecution of the Civil War), William McKinley’s brutal suppression of the independence movement in the Philippines after the Spanish American War, Franklin Roosevelt’s order to round up American citizens of Japanese ancestry and imprison them in concentration camps- are any of these inconvenient facts likely to be selected for inclusion in a textbook based on the “commonly shared principle” of the saintliness of the U.S. government?” (Pg. 24)</p></blockquote>
<p>Similarly we Mormons may ask ourselves if we should really expect inconvenient facts that reflect poorly on the “saintliness” of our church leaders to find their way into books and Sunday School manuals published by the church.</p>
<h3><strong>History: It Ain’t What It Used To Be</strong></h3>
<p>In 1972 the church appointed LDS Professor Leonard J. Arrington as the official Church Historian. This was the first time a real historian, a trained academic, had been given that post. This important office had always been held by a general authority. Arrington opened up the massive church archives to other Mormon academics, and the era of The New Mormon History was born. Surprise, surprise! That magic era didn’t last long; just barely a decade.</p>
<p>The archives were a treasure house of information for the excited historians involved. They were soon discovering things that the even the current leadership of the church hadn&#8217;t known about. Paul Toscano reports that Hyrum L. Andrus was opening wooden crates full of church records that had been nailed shut since they left Nauvoo in 1846. All kinds of fascinating stuff was in there. Books and essays were written based on these newly found letters, diaries, journals, newspapers, and records. But not all of the information in these documents was seen as favorable to church leadership. Some of the revisions seemed to contradict elements of what had become the official church history.</p>
<p>A massively ambitious multi-volume church history was planned, utilizing the talents of the church&#8217;s most qualified scholars and historians. Then one day the order came down from on high to scrap the project, and the historian&#8217;s office was &#8220;reorganized.&#8221; Arrington, who had been introduced at general conference with great fanfare for a vote of approval ten years earlier, was quietly released in 1982 without even a mention in conference or any vote of thanks. The position of Church Historian was again placed into the hands of a trusted general authority. The archives were closed to all but a select few, and have remained closed to this day.</p>
<p>For a fascinating example of the work of a revisionist Mormon historian, and and insight as to why revisionism is such a volatile subject to some within the church, let’s look at Richard Van Wagoner’s reexamination of the famous transmogrification of Brigham Young.</p>
<h3><strong>Mighty Morphing Fact Arrangers</strong></h3>
<p>We all know the basic story. It goes something like this. After the death of Joseph and Hyrum, the church was left leaderless. So the million dollar question on everyone&#8217;s mind: Who was next in line to lead it? A meeting was called, and Sidney Rigdon was first to speak. As the story goes, Rigdon got up and campaigned for himself to be the new prophet. Then it was Brigham Young’s turn, and as he spoke, the gathered throng witnessed a miracle. It looked to them as if Brigham Young had been transformed into Joseph Smith before their very eyes. Brigham’s visage became Joseph’s visage, his voice was Joseph’s voice, his mannerisms were Joseph’s. Clearly the spirit of Joseph Smith himself had returned to witness to the membership that Brigham Young was his anointed successor.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way most of us have heard it, but virtually every element of that story is false. Nothing even remotely resembling the described supernatural transformation took place. How do we know? We have new facts. Using letters, diaries, journals, newspaper accounts, and church records, Van Wagoner walks us through the event. He revises the history. You can read his essay here: <em><a href="http://www.mormonismi.net/pdf/myth_creation.pdf">The Making of a Mormon Myth</a></em>. (You can find another excellent analysis by Reid L. Harper in the Fall 1996 <em>Journal of Mormon History</em>.)</p>
<p>The simple but true facts are that on August 8th, 1844, Sidney Rigdon, as remaining member of the First Presidency, spoke to a large gathering of the Saints, advocating that the church continue to be led by a triumvirate with himself as President. The next day, Brigham Young gave a speech proposing that the church instead should be governed by the twelve apostles as a body. He was not campaigning to be the next leader himself, nor would anyone have accepted him if he had made such a proposal. The membership eventually voted in favor of Brigham’s plan because he made the better speech and it was considered wiser that church government be spread among the twelve rather than to continue with a new First Presidency under the ailing Sidney Rigdon.</p>
<p>And that was it. No image, no visions, no voice. Just a rip-roaring good sermon by Brigham Young. There was no transfiguration of Brigham Young into the form of Joseph Smith, no morphing, no eerie ghost noises, no nothing.</p>
<p>Again, how do we know? From primary sources; the letters, diaries, journals, and newspapers of the time. Brigham&#8217;s speech was reported on in detail in both Nauvoo newspapers and recorded by scribes for the official church records. Hundreds of members present wrote about Brigham&#8217;s persuasive argument in great detail in their private journals. Nowhere was there a mention of the miraculous or divine. Not a hint.</p>
<p>Until years later.</p>
<p>Van Wagoner takes us through the transformation; not the transformation of Brigham to Joseph, but the transformation from historical truth to historical legend.</p>
<h3><strong>You Really Had To Be There </strong></h3>
<p>After the saints were settled in Utah, church leadership began to shake out in the form of a hierarchy with certain apostles recognized as having seniority over others. Almost immediately Brigham Young forsook the plan he had proposed that church affairs should be administered by the Twelve equally, and quietly adopted the plan that had been proposed by Sidney Rigdon &#8212; with himself in Sidney Rigdon&#8217;s place.</p>
<p>Although in his famous speech in the grove at Nauvoo Brigham had insisted that “you can’t put anyone at the head of the Twelve,” in no time he managed to maneuver himself at the head of the Twelve and into the role of successor to the prophet Joseph Smith. This aggrandizement was not what the Saints had originally voted for, but Brigham had more than proven his leadership abilities by getting them across the plains and settled in, and who were they to question the senior member of the Quorum?</p>
<p>It was soon being spoken about that “the mantle of Joseph had fallen on Brigham.” What that meant exactly was anybody’s guess. “Mantle” is both a verb and a noun, and is a very abstract term in this sense. Nothing tangible or spiritual or visible had actually “fallen” on Brigham Young. It was meant as a metaphor. But in 1857, 13 years after the speech in the grove, Albert Carrington took the account one step further. In a speech before a huge gathering of Saints, he said that he couldn’t tell Brigham from Joseph that day when Brigham was speaking.</p>
<p>Someone else soon claimed that he had sensed the very spirit of Joseph Smith while Brigham had been speaking. Then another person declared that he saw the very personage of Joseph take over Brigham’s body.</p>
<p>That was all it took. Mark Twain has famously said that a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on. Human nature being what it is, there was soon no shortage of pioneers declaring that they had seen the miraculous transformation too. It was a sign! It was a miracle! Brigham Young had been transformed by the spirit of Joseph Smith into the image of Joseph Smith himself!</p>
<p>Some of the most prominent church leaders got caught up in the illusion. “His words went through me like electricity,&#8221; testified apostle Orson Hyde in 1869, “It was not the voice of Joseph Smith but there were the features, the gestures, and even the stature of Joseph before us in the person of Brigham.”</p>
<p>Eight years later, a full thirty-three years after the original event, Hyde went even further. On second thought, it <em>was</em> the voice of Joseph Smith after all, and more:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I heard the voice of Joseph through him, and it was as familiar to me as the voice of my wife, the voice of my child, or the voice of my father. And not only the voice of Joseph did I distinctly and unmistakably hear, but I saw the very gestures of his person, the very features of his countenance, and if I mistake not, the very size of his person appeared on the stand. And it went through me with the thrill of conviction that Brigham was the man to lead this people. And from that day to the present there has not been a query or a doubt upon my mind with regard to the divinity of his appointment; I know that he was the man selected of God to fill the position he now holds.”</p></blockquote>
<p>There’s just one problem with Orson Hyde’s testimony. He wasn’t there. Orson Hyde did not arrive in Nauvoo until August 13th.</p>
<p>Other prominent Mormons who weren’t present added their testimonies too. John D. Lee’s personal diary, Van Wagoner tells us, “makes it clear that he did not return to Nauvoo until 20 August, nearly two weeks later.” But that didn’t stop Lee from later saying &#8220;I myself, at the time, imagined that I saw and heard a strong resemblance to the Prophet in him.&#8221; Wilford Woodruff told the story from the pulpit many times over the years, embellishing it more than any of the others with each retelling. Interestingly, Woodruff <em>was</em> present that day and had written the most detailed and complete contemporary account of Brigham’s speech on the day he gave it. But in that original account he failed to mention any of the supernatural sights and sounds he miraculously recalled years later.</p>
<p>If the church leadership were inclined to exaggerate, the rank and file were up to the challenge too. According to Van Wagoner:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Retrospective retellings of a ‘transfiguration,’ in a variety of forms, can be found in dozens of sources, yet no two seem to agree on precise details. Elizabeth Haven Barlow, a cousin of Brigham Young, for example, wrote that her mother told her that ‘thousands in that assembly’ saw Young ‘take on the form of Joseph Smith and heard his voice change to that of the Prophet’s.’ Eliza Ann Perry Benson reminisced that the Saints arose ‘from their seats enmass’ exclaiming ‘Joseph has come! He is here!’”</p></blockquote>
<p>Too bad the newspapers neglected to notice the crowd going wild. It would have made good copy.</p>
<p>Thankfully, not every member of the church got caught up in the collective delusion. According to Van Wagoner:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bishop George Miller, present at the gathering, later recalled that nothing supernatural had occurred on that day. Young made a “long and loud harangue,” Miller later wrote, for which I “could not see any point in the course of his remarks than to overturn Sidney Rigdon’s pretensions.”</p></blockquote>
<h3><strong>Why It Matters, And Why It Doesn’t</strong></h3>
<p>Just as 19th century historian George Bancroft believed there was nothing wrong with fabricating and reshaping the facts as long as the resulting stories “would make his readers proud of their country’s history”, so did 19th century Mormons profess to fudging the facts if it led to promoting the faith. But such Mormon urban legends have a way of backfiring. Rather than strengthening testimonies, once the deception is revealed, testimonies are often destroyed. Witness the hordes of good and faithful people leaving the church in droves every year after discovering their testimonies were dependent on deeply held beliefs that had been manipulated by those they trusted most.</p>
<p>Nearly a hundred years ago B.H. Roberts was already concerned about this trend:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Suppose your youth receive their impressions of church history from ‘pictures and stories’ and build their faith upon these alleged miracles [and] shall someday come face to face with the fact that their belief rests on falsehoods; what then will be the result? Will they not say that since these things are myth and our Church has permitted them to be perpetuated …might not the other fundamentals to the actual story of the Church, the things in which it had its origin, might they not all be lies and nothing but lies?”</p></blockquote>
<h3><strong>Whack-a-Mole Wives</strong></h3>
<p>Members and ex-members alike deserve to take an objective look at the women who started popping up in late nineteenth century Utah claiming to have once been secretly married to Joseph Smith. We deserve to carefully analyze their claims one by one, and that&#8217;s just the kind of research <a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/jsfp-index.htm">Richard and Pamela Price</a> have been engaged in for over thirty years.</p>
<p>Are these tales of secret marriages not that much different from tales of miraculous transfigurations, thought to aid in affirming the glorious doctrines of The Lord&#8217;s True Church? If an apostle could claim to witness a miracle he did not see, is it not conceivable that a woman might claim a marriage she did not experience? Did any of these women come forward earlier than the late 1870&#8242;s? Do we have any contemporary accounts of their secret marriages written in their diaries at the time they supposedly took place? Why don’t we hear anything of this until these women were well past middle age and the practice of plural marriage was under attack? Anyone could have claimed to have been married to Joseph Smith, since the marriages were alleged to have been secret and no marriage certificates exist. One wife would not even have known about any of the others. “You were married to Joseph Smith? No kidding! I was married to Joseph Smith!</p>
<p>“Well, howdy-do and pleased ta meetcha!”</p>
<p>All of these dubious claims were made by women who were firm believers in The Principle, having lived their entire adult lives as plural wives, nearly all of them to men of prominence in Utah society. They were absolutely convinced that the doctrine was introduced by Joseph, so a little exaggeration to affirm the legitimacy of the practice couldn&#8217;t hurt. Doubtless some of these gals may have come to believe Joseph Smith actually would have married them for real if he had actually met them.</p>
<p>Let’s take a quick look at just a couple of cases of women who have been presented to me as proof positive, absolutely-airtight-smoking-gun-evidence that Joseph Smith was a sex-obsessed Lothario.</p>
<h3><strong>The Smoking Gun Is A Toy Cap Pistol</strong></h3>
<h4><strong>1. Nancy Rigdon</strong></h4>
<p>Nancy Rigdon was the pretty nineteen year old daughter of First Councilor Sidney Rigdon, and the way the story is often told, Joseph Smith made advances toward her in a letter and she rejected him.</p>
<p>In volume II of <em><a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/jsfp-index.htm">Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy</a></em>, the Prices examine this story in depth and document all the juicy details. You can read the complete analysis on their website <em><a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/articles/nopoligamy/jsfp-visionarticles/bennett6letter.htm">here</a></em> . I’ll give you the short version.</p>
<p>A letter was delivered to Miss Rigdon which she was told was from Joseph Smith. The letter did not contain Joseph’s signature, and Miss Rigdon rejected it because she knew where it had come from. She suspected it was the work of John C. Bennett, who held incriminating knowledge about her seduction by Chauncey Higbee and hoped for her cooperation in entrapping Joseph. What ended up happening to the poor girl was that her affair with Higbee was made public, causing her no end of humiliation.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t you know it, Bennett somehow had a copy of that letter to Nancy Rigdon of his own, which he published in the Sangamo Journal, and later in his book, claiming it was written by Joseph Smith to Nancy Rigdon. Gee, I wonder how he got that copy?</p>
<p>Joseph Smith made affidavit denying authorship of the letter, and Nancy Rigdon herself affirmed it had not come from Smith, “nor in his hand writing, but by another person, and in another person&#8217;s hand writing.” Nancy’s father didn’t believe the letter was from Joseph either. Neither copy of the notorious letter has been found to this day. All we know of it is from what Bennett published.</p>
<p>Some smoking gun.</p>
<h4><strong>2. Helen Mar Kimball</strong></h4>
<p>I suppose if we came across the diary of an innocent fourteen year old girl expressing horrified apprehension about her upcoming wedding to Joseph Smith, a grown man in his mid thirties, that would be pretty damning evidence, wouldn’t it?</p>
<p>That’s how the journal of Helen Mar Kimball is often presented. But the journal was written by Helen when she was nearly fifty and had been one of the plural wives of Orson F. Whitney her entire adult life. Helen tells a retrospective tale of desiring to be obedient to her father who wished her to be given to the Prophet to wife. The actual purpose of her story was to bolster support for the practice of plural marriage, to which she was a devoted acolyte.</p>
<p>Far from being the private diary of a frightened underage girl, this was a story Helen composed in the late 1870&#8242;s which she wrote for publication. Her story has all the earmarks of the type of fabricated &#8220;history&#8221; created to build testimonies among those who may have come to question the doctrine of plural marriage. Her conclusion was that plural marriage was wonderful. She was in with both feet. Why, she even had the privilege of being married at one time to the living Prophet himself, that&#8217;s how super-duper the whole thing was.</p>
<p>“I learned that plural marriage is a celestial principle,” she testified, “and saw&#8230; the necessity of obedience to those who hold the priesthood, and the danger of rebelling against or speaking lightly of the Lord’s anointed.”</p>
<p>Helen makes it clear in an accompanying poem that her marriage to Joseph was for eternity only. That is, the marriage was never consummated. This is a typical caveat of the women who came forward with these claims. They seemed to enjoy the status of an eternal marriage to the famous founder of their faith, but most were careful to make the point that there was never any hanky-panky going on. Joseph would claim them as his celestial mates later in the hereafter. They even had themselves sealed &#8220;again&#8221; to Joseph in the Utah temple in case anybody didn&#8217;t believe them.</p>
<p>Those who insist that Joseph Smith was a sex-obsessed letch scoring dozens of clandestine conquests at Nauvoo will have to explain to me how the biggest celebrity in the city, during the busiest time of his life and with everyone&#8217;s eyes constantly watching his every move, would be able to woo, court, and wed two to three women every month. And then explain to me this unusual talent he had for constantly picking ladies who refused to put out.</p>
<p>Helen Mar Kimball’s purpose in writing her tract was to help bolster support for “The Principle” at a time when it was coming under attack from outside the church and generating questions inside. Like anyone else of her generation and in her position, when it suited her purpose, she fabricated. She didn&#8217;t write what she did because she was fishing for sympathy, she was trolling for converts.</p>
<h3><strong>Art or Science?</strong></h3>
<p>Today the study of history is a social science, no longer the malleable &#8220;art&#8221; that it was prior to the twentieth century. So perhaps it&#8217;s time Mormons as well as ex-Mormons applied the scientific process when trying to determine whether Joseph Smith was being honest in his denunciation of polygamy, or whether he was a flaming hypocrite.</p>
<p>&#8220;Occam’s Razor&#8221; is the scientific principle embodied in the statement that “the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.” Perhaps Fawn Brodie&#8217;s frustrated bewilderment at the conflicting evidence tying Joseph Smith to plural marriage was simply a result of her having been raised in the church (as were most subsequent Joseph Smith biographers) and accepted as a “given” that the doctrine of polygamy originated with Joseph Smith. Was she predisposed to ignore the simplest explanation?</p>
<p>How many of us have ever thought to check the provenance of D&amp;C 132? Haven&#8217;t we always just assumed that it was written in Joseph&#8217;s hand? We unquestioningly accept as truth what has been handed down to us from people whose own recollections of key events changed radically depending upon the lesson they wished to convey, and who lived in a time when even the professional historians were no sticklers for accuracy.</p>
<p>After weighing all the evidence in any historical controversy, the best we can conclude about any given event is that it was <em>more likely</em> to have happened one way, and <em>less likely</em> to have happened another. Important factors to consider are primary and contemporary accounts (accounts written at the time), versus secondary accounts, hearsay, and later recollections.</p>
<p>So here’s what it comes down to. On the one hand we have countless contemporary accounts in Joseph’s own words testifying of his incessant crusade to root out polygamy in the church and his threats to prosecute its practitioners. On the other hand we have scribes as early as 1847 testifying to their complicity in tampering with the dead man&#8217;s journals, along with an entire gallery of pinch-faced dowagers appearing from out of nowhere with a claim to fame for their secret weddings to a long dead super-celebrity.</p>
<p>Taking Joseph Smith at his word and approaching the later claims as hyperbole typical of the zeitgeist is the only way to make sense of all the contradictions. It’s the only way the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. No one really knows the truth about what happened back then. I wouldn&#8217;t pretend to. I’ve only read half of the revisionist history on the topic, and I&#8217;m told there&#8217;s much more yet to be made available. But if I were to offer an early opinion based on the evidence I’ve seen so far, I would have to say that it seems <em>more likely </em>that Joseph Smith was sincere about eradicating polygamy in the church; and given what we know about the 19th century proclivity for embellishing reality without shame as long as it was for a good cause, I’d have to conclude that it’s <em>less likely </em>that we can rely on the claims of Joseph Smith’s several “wives”.</p>
<p>I don’t quite understand this reluctance some people have -both believing Mormons as well as others raised in the parochial Mormon culture- to automatically reject new information that might force a paradigm shift in their thinking. I like how B.H. Roberts looked at it: “I find my own heart strengthened in the truth by getting rid of the untruth, the spectacular, the bizarre, as soon as I learn that it is based upon worthless testimony.”</p>
<p>I actually like discovering I might have been wrong about something. It&#8217;s kind of exhilarating. It tells me I’m still learning.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/08/02/why-mormon-history-is-not-what-they-say/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>68</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Joseph Smith&#8217;s Presidential Platform</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/25/joseph-smiths-presidential-platform/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/25/joseph-smiths-presidential-platform/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 18:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[smith]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=11372</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[So, I came across an interview of Richard Bushman at the Pew Research Forum, about both early and modern Mormon politics.  I&#8217;ve also been reading a book called The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power by D Michael Quinn on the early leadership of the church.  I want to combine the 2 sources, and talk about Joseph Smith&#8217;s presidential plans of 1844.  First, let me quote Bushman. &#8220;Smith was forced into politics by the abuse that the Mormons received. As soon as they were driven out of their first city site in Independence, Mo., he turned to the government for redress. He never obtained it. No level of government, from local justices of the peace to governors to the president of the United States &#8211; to whom he constantly appealed &#8211; ever came to the defense of the Saints. But Joseph Smith became a great devotee of constitutional rights because they seemed like his only hope. He said some very extravagant things about the Constitution being God-given because of those rights and became quite conversant in constitutional matters. He even visited the president of the United States, Martin Van Buren, in the White House in 1839. Gradually, then, Joseph Smith backed into [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I came across an interview of Richard Bushman at the <a href="http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=148">Pew Research Forum</a>, about both early and modern Mormon politics.  I&#8217;ve also been reading a book called<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1179666.The_Mormon_Hierarchy_Origins_of_Power" target="_blank"> The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power</a> by D Michael Quinn on the early leadership of the church.  I want to combine the 2 sources, and talk about Joseph Smith&#8217;s presidential plans of 1844.  First, let me quote Bushman.<span id="more-11372"></span><br />
<img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Smith was forced into politics by the abuse that the Mormons received. As soon as they were driven out of their first city site in Independence, Mo., he turned to the government for redress. He never obtained it. No level of government, from local justices of the peace to governors to the president of the United States &#8211; to whom he constantly appealed &#8211; ever came to the defense of the Saints. But Joseph Smith became a great devotee of constitutional rights because they seemed like his only hope. He said some very extravagant things about the Constitution being God-given because of those rights and became quite conversant in constitutional matters. He even visited the president of the United States, Martin Van Buren, in the White House in 1839.</p>
<p>Gradually, then, Joseph Smith backed into American politics. In the fall of 1843, as the 1844 campaign began to take shape, the authorities of the church wrote to all of the known political candidates asking them about their views of the Mormons, and none returned a satisfactory answer from the Mormon point of view. The Mormons wanted a pledge that these candidates would protect them if they were attacked again, and they couldn&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith was nominated as a protest candidate in February of 1844. Like other protest candidates, he began to warm to his work and got quite excited about it. He may have dreamed for a moment that through some strange concatenation of events, he would get elected. Every candidate has to dream such things.</p>
<p>His involvement in politics was manifested in a political platform of which he was very proud. He would bring it out whenever he had visitors and read from it. It is an interesting document because it represents a man whose world had been his own people, whose own project had been to create a kingdom of God, and who now had to turn his mind to politics.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I want to address some really interesting parts of Joseph Smith&#8217;s platform that I found really interesting.  Regarding slavery, Joseph Smith came up with a solution that would have avoided the Civil War.  He advocated low taxes (just like conservatives do today.)  I found most of his points very appealing.  Let me quote from Quinn&#8217;s book, page 119,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Smith&#8217;s Views revealed him as more than a one-issue candidate.  For the reform of government, he intended to reduce the size and salary of Congress.  In judicial reform, he advocated rehabilitation of convicts through work projects and vocational training and liberal pardoning.  In economic reform, he proposed less taxation, free trade, secure international rights on the high seas, and establishment of a national bank in every state and territory.  On the slavery question, he advocated compensated emancipation through the sale of public lands.  To cope with resulting social stress, he advocated the relocation of the several million freed slaves to Texas.  In keeping with the spirit of &#8220;Manifest Destiny&#8221; in the 1840s, he proposed annexation of Oregon and Texas and whatever parts of Canada wished to join the Union.  As a reflection of the Mormon expulsion from Missouri, Smith&#8217;s platform also advocated presidential intervention in civil disturbances within states.  As one author noted, this interventionist impulse &#8216;did not exist until the Civil War and Reconstruction.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So I want to address several points, and give my comments.</p>
<p>1.      <strong>Reduce the size and salary of congress</strong>.  Wow!  Congress continues to grow in size with each census.  I&#8217;d love to cut salary, but on the other hand, the only people who go to Congress are the rich.  Perhaps increasing salary would invite more middle class types.  I&#8217;m not sure how cutting the size of congress would impact the nation.  I need a constitutional scholar on this one.</p>
<p>2.      <strong>Rehab convicts</strong> &#8211; I like this idea.  While everyone likes to think they&#8217;re tough on crime and wants to throw &#8216;em all in jail and throw away the key, the reality is we can&#8217;t build prisons fast enough to keep pace.  And the prisoners we do have end up becoming more skilled at criminal activity.  It seems our current procedures are not working.  I&#8217;m with Smith on this one.</p>
<p>3.      <strong>Liberal Pardoning</strong> &#8211; Hmmmm, didn&#8217;t we go through that with Bill Clinton?  Mike Huckabee has some pardon problems of his own.  I&#8217;m not sure I like this one as it has the capacity for abuse, and possible risks to public safety.</p>
<p>4.      <strong>Less taxes</strong> &#8211; yes, but we need to balance the budget, not simply reduce taxes.</p>
<p>5.      <strong>Free trade</strong> &#8211; I guess he would support NAFTA</p>
<p>6.      <strong>Secure International Rights on high seas</strong> &#8211; It seems pirates are making another comeback.  I&#8217;m with Smith on this one.</p>
<p>7.      <strong>Establishment of national bank in every state and territory</strong> &#8211; Bad idea.  We are currently experiencing banking problems with banks getting too big and doing bad mortgages. Joseph has a bad record of running a bank.  See my post on the <a href="http://www.ldssundayschool.org/RS-Lesson_27#Supplementary_material" target="_blank">Kirtland Bank Failure</a>.</p>
<p>8.      <strong>Sale of public lands for sale of slaves</strong> -  I like it.  That&#8217;s a much better solution than the Civil War was.  Richard Bushman commented about this at the <a href="http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=148">Pew Research Forum</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>He began by citing the Declaration of Independence, the famous passages about all men being equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights, which of course could be a lead-in to religious rights. But he didn&#8217;t use it that way. Instead, in the very next sentence, he talked about the obvious contradiction: &#8220;Some two or three million people are held as slaves for life because the spirit in them is covered with a darker skin than ours.&#8221; His platform called for the elimination of slavery, proposing that the funds from the sale of Western lands, a major source of revenue along with the tariff in those days, be devoted to purchasing slaves from their masters in order to avoid the conflict that would otherwise ensue.</p>
<p>Josiah Quincy, soon to be mayor of Boston, visited Joseph Smith in the spring of 1844 when this platform was in circulation. Much later, Quincy wrote about that visit, saying that Joseph Smith&#8217;s proposal for ending slavery resembled one that Emerson made 11 years later in 1855.</p>
<p>As Quincy put it, writing retrospectively in the 1880s, &#8220;We, who can look back upon the terrible cost of the fratricidal war which put an end to slavery, now say that such a solution of the difficulty&#8221; &#8211; Joseph Smith&#8217;s and Emerson&#8217;s &#8211; &#8220;would have been worthy a Christian statesman. But if the retired scholar was in advance of his time when he advocated this disposition of the public property in 1855, what shall I say of the political and religious leader who had committed himself, in print, as well as in conversation, to the same course in 1844?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>9.      <strong>Send all the freed slaves to Texas</strong> &#8211; Wow, what would Texas be like if that happened?  Remember at this time, Texas was trying to become independent nation from Mexico.  About 1848 came the Mexican-American War, freeing Texas from Mexico and establishing Texas as an independent nation.  (Texas was later annexed into the US.)</p>
<p>10.  <strong>Annex Texas, Oregon, and parts of Canada??? </strong>I know Canadians like the US, but I didn&#8217;t know they wanted to be part of our union!!!</p>
<p>11.  <strong>Presidential authority to get involved in state disturbances</strong>.  As I mentioned in my <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/27/sidney-joseph-a-strained-friendship-part-4/">Sidney Rigdon post</a>, Van Buren refused to get involved in Missouri because he didn&#8217;t feel that was a federal mandate.  Joseph was 20 years ahead of actions which resulted in the Civil War.  It&#8217;s interesting to see how Joseph would have wanted to handle the federal raid in Waco, and the state raid of the FLDS (both in Texas.)</p>
<p>Finally, let me conclude with Bushman again.</p>
<blockquote><p>This part of his platform accords perfectly with what modern people like us would have liked a candidate in 1844 to say. But Smith went beyond our sense of political propriety in other parts of his platform: he blended his role as candidate with his role as prophet. He was already mayor of Nauvoo and lieutenant general of the Nauvoo Legion when he ran for the presidency. He seemingly had no sense that church and state should be separated. He gave no hint that he was going to give up his religious offices if he were to become president of the United States.</p>
<p>In the closing peroration of his platform, Joseph Smith indirectly, but I think clearly, offered himself to be the priest of the people, as well as the president. &#8220;I would, as the universal friend of man, open the prisons, open the eyes, open the ears, and open the hearts of all people to behold and enjoy freedom, unadulterated freedom; and God, who once cleansed the violence of the earth with flood, whose Son laid down his life for the salvation of all his father gave him out of the world, and who has promised that he will come and purify the world again with fire in the last days, should be supplicated by me for the good of all the people.&#8221; He would be the intercessor as priest as well as prophet.</p>
<p>Of course, that is point at which moderns part company with Joseph Smith. We don&#8217;t want a prophet with his authoritative words from God governing the nation. That seems to lead to the exclusion of unbelievers and the repression of naysayers. All the alarm bells go off when we see these roles merging.</p>
<p>But I would appeal to you, before you turn away completely from that idea, to pay heed to the underlying theme of that platform and that proposal. I think it can be argued that Joseph Smith actually felt he was fulfilling one of America&#8217;s dreams. We think of the American dream as the promise of ascent for the wretched refuse of the teeming shores &#8211; the promise that in America, everyone has a chance to prosper and to achieve respectability. That is a dream for the individual.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, what do you think of Smith&#8217;s platform?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/25/joseph-smiths-presidential-platform/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>29</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Joseph and Muhammad</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/04/07/joseph-and-muhammad/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/04/07/joseph-and-muhammad/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jmb275</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mysticism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Islam]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=10361</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I have been fascinated by other religions! The cultures, customs, and beliefs vary wildly from religion to religion, and yet, so many have common threads, stories, and ideals. I recently read a biography of Muhammad &#8220;Muhammad, A Prophet For Our Time&#8221; by Karen Armstrong. It was a fascinating read and I learned a great deal about this ancient prophet. I must admit that most of my thoughts while reading the book revolved around the parallels to Joseph Smith and the early saints. Frankly, I find the similarities startling in one sense, and yet unsurprising in another. On the one hand, the similarities feel so extraordinary to me that I cannot understand how I could possibly believe in Joseph Smith&#8217;s story and reject Muhammad&#8217;s (or truthfully that I never even gave it a chance). On the other hand, this is the story of the mystics and visionaries of the world. Their methods, works, books, and revelations are very similar and the truths they bring forth have striking similarities. Here is a list of similarities that I found while reading this biography. Muhammad, like Joseph Smith did not seem to necessarily ask for the role he eventually took on. Their journeys initiated [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/islam.gif"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-10363" title="islam" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/islam-295x300.gif" alt="" width="295" height="300" /></a>I have been fascinated by other religions!  The cultures, customs, and beliefs vary wildly from religion to religion, and yet, so many have common threads, stories, and ideals.</p>
<p>I recently read a biography of Muhammad &#8220;Muhammad, A Prophet For Our Time&#8221; by Karen Armstrong.  It was a fascinating read and I learned a great deal about this ancient prophet.</p>
<p>I must admit that most of my thoughts while reading the book revolved around the parallels to Joseph Smith and the early saints.  Frankly, I find the similarities startling in one sense, and yet unsurprising in another.  On the one hand, the similarities feel so extraordinary to me that I cannot understand how I could possibly believe in Joseph Smith&#8217;s story and reject Muhammad&#8217;s (or truthfully that I never even gave it a chance).  On the other hand, this is the story of the mystics and visionaries of the world.  Their methods, works, books, and revelations are very similar and the truths they bring forth have striking similarities.<span id="more-10361"></span></p>
<p>Here is a list of similarities that I found while reading this biography.</p>
<ol>
<li>Muhammad, like Joseph Smith did not seem to necessarily ask for the role he eventually took on.  Their journeys initiated with simple questions, desires, and events that seem ordinary, but resulted in the extraordinary.  In both scenarios, these men seemed to be rather surprised by their visions and revelations.</li>
<li>Both men brought forth inspired books given to them by an angel.  Many claim that the Qur&#8217;an could be nothing if not divine based entirely on the language alone.  This does not sound too unlike Joseph&#8217;s claim of The Book of Mormon being &#8220;the most correct book on earth.&#8221;  One difference, however, is that Muhammad did seem to recognize more fully the importance of the Qur&#8217;an.  In other words, the Qur&#8217;an was what defined Islam, as it was a compilation of the revelations Muhammad had received (not unlike the Doctrine and Covenants).  Joseph, on the other hand, didn&#8217;t seem to put quite as much emphasis on The Book of Mormon, almost to the point where one has to wonder whether Joseph really understood what was in The Book of Mormon and the impact it would have.  On the other hand, Joseph, like Muhammad, did seem to put a large emphasis on his revelations.</li>
<li>Both Joseph and Muhammad seemed to slowly grow into their calling.  In Mormonism, I find there are many people who ostensibly think that Joseph knew what he was doing from the get-go.  In fact, revelations to both men came at spontaneous times and left the men wondering how to enact, or implement the revelation.  They had to learn and grow in wisdom and understanding as pieces of their theology came to them.  In short, both prophets learned and authored the concepts of &#8220;line upon line&#8221; within their culture.</li>
<li>Both men tell a similar tale of receiving revelation.  Note the similarities between Armstrong&#8217;s characterization of Muhammad and some of the descriptions of Joseph Smith receiving revelation.  Here are Armstrong&#8217;s words:<br />
<blockquote><p>Under the inspiration of Allah, Muhammad was feeling his way towards an entirely new solution, convinced that he was not speaking in his own name, but was simply repeating the revealed words of God.  It was a painful, difficult process.  He once said: &#8216;Never once did I receive a revelation without thinking that my soul had been torn away from me.&#8217;  Sometimes the message was clear.  He could almost see and hear Gabriel distinctly.  The words seemed to &#8216;come down&#8217; to him, like a shower of life-giving rain.  But often the divine voice was muffled and obscure: &#8216;Sometimes it comes unto me like the reverberations of a bell, and that is the hardest upon me; the reverberations abate when I am aware of their message.&#8217;  He had to listen to the undercurrent of events, trying to discover what was really going on.  He would grow pale with the effort and cover himself with his cloak, as if to shield himself from the divine impact.  He would perspire heavily, even on a cold day, as he turned inwards, searching his soul for a solution to a problem, in rather the same way as a poet has to open himself to the words that he must haul from the depths of himself to the conscious level of his mind.  In the Qur&#8217;an, God instructed Muhammad to listen intently to each revelation as it emerged; he must be careful not to impose a meaning on a verse prematurely, before its full significance had become entirely clear.&#8221; &#8211; pp. 56 &#8211; 57</p></blockquote>
</li>
<li>Both Joseph and Muhammad became generals (basically).  While Muhammad was certainly more violent in achieving his goals, both men resorted to militias and violence to retain their rights of freedom to worship.  Additionally, I think that Muhammad&#8217;s increased use of violence was primarily a product of his time and culture.  It was not uncommon to raid camps, caravans, and cities merely to prove a point and gain favor with a certain tribe.  In all fairness, Joseph&#8217;s violence was most often in self-defense, whereas Muhammad was clearly on the offensive at times.</li>
<li>Both men worked fervently against their culture to bring to pass their ideals.  In other words, both men seemed to be ahead of their time socially, and culturally, and dreamed of a society that many resisted.  In fact, these utopian societies had similarities.  Both dreamed of a society in which divisions between classes were blurred, or removed, where universal human rights were respected.  Both wanted all things to be equal, and for there to be peace and harmony amongst all people.  In fact, the commonalities of their desired societies seem to exist among religious leaders of many times and places, including Gandhi, and the Dalai Lama.</li>
<li>Both pushed against cultural norms for women and instituted polygamy as part of their respective theologies.  Ironically, (depending on your point of view) both men also instituted polygamy which had a tremendous effect on the cultural norms for women.  In the case of Muhammad, his treatment of his many wives set a new precedent of respect that men ought to have for their wives.  And Muhammad&#8217;s primary reason for polygamy was to provide care for the numerous widows created during war.  Furthermore, in the Qur&#8217;an women are revered and held up as important figures in society.  Clearly Joseph instituted polygamy as well although his reasons are much less clear (depending on your point of view).  Whether or not this had the same uplifting effect upon women is certainly debatable and a matter of opinion, but Joseph certainly attempted to influence the culture for women by his creation of the Relief Society with a number of powers and privileges.</li>
<li>The followers of both men were fiercely loyal, perhaps to a fault in the eyes of many.  On the other hand, that seems to be what is needed in order for such religions to grow and become large movements.  Both religions seemed to divide families and create intense hatred among their opponents.  It seems to be a direct product of the brilliance of their respective leaders in combatting that hatred that allowed their ideas to progress to later stages of development and continue to the present day.</li>
<li>Both men led their followers away from their original location due to persecution (&#8220;No prophet is accepted in his own country.&#8221; Luke 4:24).</li>
<li>Both men got involved in politics and were successful.  For Muhammad the politics were mostly inter-tribal, and Muhammad initially used violence (although later he used peaceful methods) to coerce the politics in Mecca and Medina to his liking.  Joseph was mayor of Nauvoo, and eventually even tried his hand at the presidential elections.  I wonder if this similarity is caused by being the leader of a growing religious faction, or whether the two men were just so charismatic that the &#8220;shoe fit&#8221; as it were.</li>
<li>Needless to say, both men had many many attempts on their lives, as they both a large number of enemies, both politically, and within their own group.  One significant difference is that Joseph&#8217;s enemies eventually did succeed in their attempts.  Muhammad, in contrast, lived until an old age and died in the arms of his favorite wife.</li>
</ol>
<p>Although theologically Islam and Mormonism are very different, the characteristics of their founders, and nature of the initial followers have striking similarities.</p>
<p>So what think ye readers?  Why do you lend your beliefs/souls/trust/etc. to Joseph Smith&#8217;s claims and reject Muhammad&#8217;s?  Or do you?  Or do you believe that Muhammad only had partial light and knowledge (despite the fact that Islam and Mormonism are radically different)?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/04/07/joseph-and-muhammad/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>44</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>What Dreams May Come</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/24/what-dreams-may-come/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/24/what-dreams-may-come/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[dreams]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS lessons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mysticism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[symbols]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[visions]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Old Testament; Sunday School]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[revelation]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=10181</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #12 Whether dreams come from the unconscious mind or directly from God, they are valuable sources of revelation. Dreams can tell us important things about ourselves and our relationships that may remain veiled deep in the psyche if we are unskilled at interpreting the symbolic language from which they present. The great attainment of Joseph of Egypt and the message this scriptural character brings to readers of the Old Testament is the importance of developing an ability to decode symbolic dream messages and using them to integrate our conscious and subconscious knowledge. Joseph had a huge, almost megalomaniac faith in his interpretations of dreams.  Early in his life he risked the rebuke and envy of his father and brothers to describe to them the images of the sheaves and the sun, moon, and stars bowing down to him.  Later, when interpreting the dreams of the chief butler and baker, he attributed his interpretations to God, even though he had no evidence this was so.  His own dreams seemed refuted &#8212; far from bowing to him, his brothers sold him into Egypt and he had been cast into prison.  His confidence reminds me of Joseph Smith&#8217;s great intrepidity [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #12</strong></big></p>
<p>Whether dreams come from the unconscious mind or directly from God, they are valuable sources of revelation.  Dreams can tell us important things about ourselves and our relationships that may remain veiled deep in the psyche if we are unskilled at interpreting the symbolic language from which they present.  The great attainment of Joseph of Egypt and the message this scriptural character brings to readers of the Old Testament is the importance of developing an ability to decode symbolic dream messages and using them to integrate our conscious and subconscious knowledge.<span id="more-10181"></span></p>
<p>Joseph had a huge, almost megalomaniac faith in his interpretations of dreams.  Early in his life he risked the rebuke and envy of his father and brothers to describe to them the images of the sheaves and the sun, moon, and stars bowing down to him.  Later, when interpreting the dreams of the chief butler and baker, he attributed his interpretations to God, even though he had no evidence this was so.  His own dreams seemed refuted &#8212; far from bowing to him, his brothers sold him into Egypt and he had been cast into prison.  His confidence reminds me of Joseph Smith&#8217;s great intrepidity regarding his own visions:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;For I had seen a vision; I knew it and I knew that God knew it, and I could not deny it&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph Smith once said, after reading Foxe&#8217;s Book of the Martyrs, that he had &#8220;seen those martyrs, and they were honest, devoted followers of Christ, according to the light they possessed, and they will be saved&#8221;  He also saw in vision marchers in Zion&#8217;s Camp who had perished from cholera in Clay County, Missouri. He encouraged the survivors of that endeavor, saying, &#8220;Brethren, I have seen those men who died of the cholera in our camp; and the Lord knows, if I get a mansion as bright as theirs, I ask no more&#8221; .  He foresaw the struggles of the Saints in crossing the plains, their establishment in the Rocky Mountains, and the future condition of the Saints.  Of these and many other spiritual manifestations he remarked, &#8220;It is my meditation all the day &amp; more than my meat &amp; drink to know how I shall make the saints of God to comprehend the visions that roll like an overflowing surge, before my mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph of Egypt had this same certainty regarding communications from God through the medium of dreams.  When finally brought before Pharoah, he reiterated his assertion that certain dreams are communications from the Divine:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharoah twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.&#8221;</p>
<p>This assurance seems incredible when taken into account that his own early dream had also been repeated twice but not yet brought to pass.</p>
<p>Today we have varying degrees of confidence in the interpretation of our own spiritual experiences.  Some are unimpressed by the fleeting images that pass through their minds in a somnolent state.  But others become adept at the language of symbolism.  They confidently assign meanings to everything from dreams to emotional impressions, and use these to order their actions and their lives.  Psychologists have noted that people tend to dream in images that are familiar to them in their culture.  For example, Native Americans may dream about the spirits of animals and the world of nature, Catholics envision the Virgin Mary, Mormons have visitations involving the temple and their dead ancestors.  This can facilitate dream interpretation, but it can also obscure it, because the images are so familiar that we don&#8217;t look deeply at the meaning behind the symbol.  In our modern world, we have emphasized the logical mind so much that we have lost the sensitivity to understand primal and pictoral forms and symbols, even those with which we are well-versed.</p>
<p>Often our lesson manuals apply the scriptural stories to the modern audience, as was done in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7255c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 11</a>.  Here Joseph&#8217;s rejection of Potiphar&#8217;s wife is presented as an example for the righteous member to follow in avoiding moral transgression.  I am curious why, in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=a183c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 12</a>, although Joseph&#8217;s dreams play a prominent part in the lesson material, the class member is not encouraged to become more adept in interpreting dreams and visions or even to pay closer attention to unconscious symbolic messages.  Moving away from the esoteric, the manual broadly associates the scriptural passage in Genesis 40-41 with &#8220;talents,&#8221; and asks:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">How can we give proper acknowledgment to the Lord for our talents and gifts? (We can use them to glorify God and bless others, not for our own glory.)</p>
<p>In the early days of the Church Joseph Smith reprimanded some of the members for using messages from their dreams and visions improperly.  Do we fear this will happen if we freely encourage the widespread scrutiny of these types of unconscious messages?  What does this tell us about our confidence in recognizing inspiration from the Divine?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/03/24/what-dreams-may-come/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>11</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Temple Wedding Petition</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/12/temple-wedding-petition/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/12/temple-wedding-petition/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[accountability]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostles]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Charity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[children]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Happiness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jesus]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[liberal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[missionary]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[plan of salvation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testimony]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8492</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[A temple wedding petition to is being circulated to promote love and happiness in the family by changing the church&#8217;s stance on civil marriages preceding temple weddings. The petition requests that the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make it acceptable to have a civil marriage ceremony first, if desired, and then giving the couple the necessary time to attend the temple for the sealing ordinance as they do in those countries whose laws require it.  (The petition is not endorsed by Mormon Matters; this information is being shared for discussion as a news item). In the following video which lasts about 2 minutes, Jean talks about the stigma some members may feel if they choose a civil wedding ceremony. The other preseding videos last approximately 2 minutes each. Temple Wedding Petition 3 Here Temple Wedding Petition 1 Here Temple Wedding Petition 2 Here Temple Wedding Petition .org here The actual petition is found here I was raised in a part member family and remember when my brother was married my parents were disappointed that they weren&#8217;t able to go to the temple and see their son get married. It would have been nice for our family [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-8498" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Petition-274x300.jpg" alt="Petition" width="274" height="300" />A temple wedding petition to is being circulated to promote love and happiness in the family by changing the church&#8217;s stance on civil marriages preceding temple weddings. The petition requests that the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make it acceptable to have a civil marriage ceremony first, if desired, and then giving the couple the necessary time to attend the temple for the sealing ordinance as they do in those countries whose laws require it.  (The petition is not endorsed by Mormon Matters; this information is being shared for discussion as a news item).</p>
<p>In the following video which lasts about 2 minutes, Jean talks about the stigma some members may feel if they choose a civil wedding ceremony. The other preseding videos last approximately 2 minutes each.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdS1u8LeJU&amp;NR=1">Temple Wedding Petition 3 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwEpA-lFsX8&amp;NR=1"><span id="more-8492"></span>Temple Wedding Petition 1 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf3JPeT69Lg&amp;NR=1">Temple Wedding Petition 2 Here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/">Temple Wedding Petition .org here</a></p>
<p>The actual petition is found <a href="http://www.templeweddingpetition.org/enter/4952.html">here</a></p>
<p>I was raised in a part member family and remember when my brother was married my parents were disappointed that they weren&#8217;t able to go to the temple and see their son get married. It would have been nice for our family to have seen it. I wonder if it makes non- members, or those on the fringe, feel excluded from the church and may damper future missionary work with families. I live in England and it&#8217;s the law that there is a civil wedding which usually takes place in the chapel.</p>
<p>Recently a nephew was married and was schedueled to get married in the Salt Lake temple. Because much of the family couldn&#8217;t witness the wedding they decided last minute to have a civil wedding. He and his wife since their marriage enjoy going to the temple but have to wait a year now to be married in the temple.</p>
<p>I wonder if there is a church loophol if you want your non- member family to see your wedding you could get married in America and fly to a country where the church allows civil marriages followed by a temple marriage after?</p>
<p>What are your thoughts and experiences?</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Just to make it very clear that there is no advocacy on the part of MM</strong></span>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdS1u8LeJU&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/12/12/temple-wedding-petition/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>161</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Carthage Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/11/10/carthage-conspiracy/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/11/10/carthage-conspiracy/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[violence]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=8256</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[*Note&#8211;This was posted this morning.  Due to a technical glitch, it was erased.  Some comments may have been erased from this morning as well.  I am re-posting it this evening. As you search across the bloggernacle, sometimes you&#8217;ll find antagonists who take great issue with the fact that a gun was smuggled to Joseph Smith at the Carthage Jail.  These antagonists often act as if the church is covering up this fact.  For years I&#8217;ve known a gun was smuggled to Joseph from personal visits to the Carthage Jail in Illinois.  Tour guides do not try to hide this fact.  Some antagonists love to quote that John Taylor believed that Joseph may have killed one or two of the assailants with this gun.  However, this is inaccurate.  Elder Dallin Oaks wrote a book called Carthage Conspiracy: The Trial of the Accused Assassins of Joseph Smith which goes into great detail about the events surrounding Joseph Smith, as well as the trial of Joseph&#8217;s accused assassins. Joseph did wound 3 men.  What antagonists won&#8217;t tell you is that these men had very incriminating wounds to prove they were at the jail during the mob riot.  These men were indicted by a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Note&#8211;This was posted this morning.  Due to a technical glitch, it was erased.  Some comments may have been erased from this morning as well.  I am re-posting it this evening.</p>
<p>As you search across the bloggernacle, sometimes you&#8217;ll find antagonists who take great issue with the fact that a gun was smuggled to Joseph Smith at the Carthage Jail.  These antagonists often act as if the church is covering up this fact.  For years I&#8217;ve known a gun was smuggled to Joseph from personal visits to the Carthage Jail in Illinois.  Tour guides do not try to hide this fact.  Some antagonists love to quote that John Taylor believed that Joseph may have killed one or two of the assailants with this gun.  However, this is inaccurate.  Elder Dallin Oaks wrote a book called <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/888395.Carthage_Conspiracy_The_Trial_of_the_Accused_Assassins_of_Joseph_Smith" target="_blank">Carthage Conspiracy: The Trial of the Accused Assassins of Joseph Smith</a> which goes into great detail about the events surrounding Joseph Smith, as well as the trial of Joseph&#8217;s accused assassins.</p>
<p><span id="more-8256"></span>Joseph did wound 3 men.  What antagonists won&#8217;t tell you is that these men had very incriminating wounds to prove they were at the jail during the mob riot.  These men were indicted by a grand jury on charges of murder, but fled to avoid criminal prosecution for murder.  While some may be surprised to learn that Joseph had a gun, I just don&#8217;t think there is a cover up of this fact, as evidenced by Elder Oaks book which came out more than 30 years ago.</p>
<p>I highly recommend <em>Carthage Conspiracy</em>. Some may wonder whether Elder Oaks is qualified to write a book such as this.  Dallin Oaks clerked for Chief Justice Earl Warren of the United States Supreme Court from 1957 to 1958. After his clerkship he practiced at the law firm of Kirkland &amp; Ellis in Chicago. Oaks left Kirkland &amp; Ellis to become a professor at the University of Chicago Law School. During part of his time on the faculty of the Law School, Oaks served as interim dean. Oaks left the Law School upon being appointed President at Brigham Young University. Oaks served as president of Brigham Young University from 1971–1980.  <span id="Considered_as_Supreme_Court_nominee"> </span>In 1976, Oaks was listed by U.S. attorney general <a title="Edward H. Levi" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_H._Levi">Edward H. Levi</a> among potential <a title="Gerald Ford Supreme Court candidates" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford_Supreme_Court_candidates">Gerald Ford Supreme Court candidates</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-3"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a></sup> In 1981, he was closely considered by the <a title="Ronald Reagan" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan">Ronald Reagan</a> administration as a Supreme Court nominee.<sup id="cite_ref-4"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-4"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-5"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-5"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-BYHigh_1-4"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-BYHigh-1"></a></sup> Oaks served on the Utah Supreme Court from 1980 to 1984, when he resigned to accept a call by the LDS Church to become a member of the <a title="Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_of_the_Twelve_Apostles_%28LDS_Church%29">Quorum of the Twelve Apostles</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-BYHigh_1-4"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-BYHigh-1"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> </sup>Currently, Elder Oaks is fourth in line to become the next prophet, behind Packer, Perry, and Nelson.</p>
<p>The book was first published in 1975 by the University of Illinois Press, and Oaks goes into great detail of the trial of the accused assassins. There are plenty of details in there that aren&#8217;t well known or discussed. You can find it for as cheap as $5.29 plus shipping at <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/025200762X/ref=s9_simz_gw_s0_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_s=center-2&amp;pf_rd_r=0EK20Y7D09S6PN57ZQ0T&amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;pf_rd_p=470938631&amp;pf_rd_i=507846">Amazon</a>.  Page 20 discusses the actual events of the mob at the jail.  I am including most of his footnotes below.</p>
<blockquote>
<div>In the Carthage jail on the morning of June 27 Joseph Smith wrote a letter to his wife, reassuring her that, if there was an attack, some of the militia would remain loyal. Later he and Hyrum entertained several visitors, including Cyrus H. Wheelock, who, fearing an attack on the jail, slipped a pistol into Joseph&#8217;s pocket.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Further down on the page (pages 20-21),  (I&#8217;ve created additional paragraphs for readability.)</p>
<blockquote>
<div>&#8220;While there were guards around the jail,&#8221; eyewitness William Hamilton recalled later, &#8220;they were guards that did not guard and in fact I think understood the whole matter.&#8221; [Quoted in Berry, "The Mormon Settlement in Illinois", 88, 89] The guards fired directly into the attackers from a distance of twenty feet, but no one fell. Scuffling briefly with the guards, the mob tossed them aside and stormed up the stairs toward the room where the prisoners were held.</div>
<div>Upon hearing the guns firing below, Joseph and Hyrum seized their pistols and ran to the door to hold it shut against the attackers. Some of the mob fired shots through the wooden door, hitting Hyrum in the face. He fell upon his back, dead, his head toward an open window on the east. Joseph, seeing his fallen brother at his feet, stepped up beside the door and began firing his pistol at the men in the hallway. After attempting to fire all six barrels (three misfired) he ran to the window.</div>
<div>Outside were more of the mob, who fired at him from below as bullets struck him from behind. [This account is based on the recollections of eyewitnesses Willard Richard, John Taylor, and John H. Sherman. Joseph Smith's Journal kept by Willard Richards, June 27, 1844; <span style="font-style: italic;">Times and Seasons</span> 5 (August 1, 1844), 598; Smith, <span style="font-style: italic;">History of the Church</span>, VII, 102-4; VI, 617,19; Scofield,<span style="font-style: italic;"> History of Hancock County</span>, 846-47.]</div>
<div>He teetered on the sill, with one leg and an arm out the window, and then fell to the ground, landing on his left side. [Hamilton and Sherman agree on this. See also testimony of Thomas Dixon in "Minutes of Trial," 60] An examination of his body showed he had been hit four times, once in the right collar bone, once in the breast, and twice in the back.</div>
<div>Accounts differ as to whether he was dead before he hit the ground, [See Willard Richards to Brigham Young, June 30, 1844, Richards Papers, Church Archives] but Thomas Dixon, who was standing near the jail, said that while there was blood on his pants when he came to the window, &#8220;he was not dead when he fell&#8211;he raised himself up against the well curb.&#8221; [Cf. Ford, <em>History of Illinois</em>, 354, and Marsh, "Mormons in Hancock County," 53, with the recollection of William H. Hamilton in Scofield, <span style="font-style: italic;">History of Hancock County</span>, 845.] He then &#8220;drew up one leg and stretched out the other and died immediately.&#8221; [This recollection is attributed to Thomas Dixon in "Documents relating to the Mormon Troubles," 26, handwritten notes on the trial testimony, Chicago Historical Society.] William R. Hamilton confirmed Dixon&#8217;s statement that the body was not molested after it hit the ground.[Scofield, <span style="font-style: italic;">History of Hancock County</span>, 845; "Minutes of Trial," 60. Another eyewitness states that Joseph was stabbed with a bayonet while on the ground. Samuel Otho Williams to John A. Prickett, July 10, 1844.]</div>
</blockquote>
<div>Here&#8217;s the detail describing what happened to those 3 shots Joseph fired into the mob. From page 51,</p>
<blockquote>
<div>A Hancock County historian has stated that the grand jury was presented with the names of about sixty persons for indictment. They voted first on the entire sixty, but the evidence was so inconclusive that the number of grand jurors who voted to indict was less that the required twelve. The grand jury then struck off the ten names with the least evidence and voted once more, but again failed to secure the minimum votes. They continued in this manner until the list of potential defendants contained only the nine persons with the strongest evidence against them. In this last instance the requisite twelve votes were finally obtained, and the nine defendants were accordingly indicted or formally charged with the murders of Joseph and Hyrum Smith.[Gregg, <em>Prophet of Palmyra</em>, 301-2. <span style="font-style: italic;">The Warsaw Signal</span>, October 30, 1844, maintains that no indictment could be obtained from Tuesday through Friday, but that on Saturday the Mormons "smuggled" in two additional witnesses who provided the basis for the indictment.]</div>
<div>There were separate indictments for the two murders. Each charged the same nine defendents: John Wills,[A Mormon Source gives this as "John Patrick Wells." Smith, <span style="font-style: italic;">History of the Church</span>, VII, 162] William Voras,[So in indictment. Other sources often show it as "Voorhees."] William N. Grover, Jacob C. Davis, Mark Aldrich, Thomas C. Sharp, Levi Williams, and two men named Gallaher and Allen, whose first names were not given.[There were three Gallahers in the Warsaw militia units: Charles, Patrick, and William. "Muster Roll of the Commissioned and Non-Commissioned Officers, Musicians and Privates belonging to the 59th Regiment 4th Brigade and 5th Division, Illinois Militia, under the command of Levi Williams," Chicago Historical Society.]</div>
</blockquote>
<p>From page 52, please note the 3 wounded:</p>
<blockquote>
<div>Wills, Voras, and Gallaher were probably named in the indictment because their wounds, which testimony showed were received at the jail, were irrefutable evidence that they had participated in the mob. They undoubtedly recognized their vulnerability and fled the county. A contemporary witness reported these three as saying that they were the first men at the jail, that one of them shot through the door killing Hyrum, that Joseph wounded all three with his pistol, and that Gallaher shot Joseph as he ran to the window.[Hay, "The Mormon Prophet's Tragedy," 675] According to Hay, Wills, whom the Mormon prophet had shot in the arm, was an Irishman who had joined the mob from &#8220;his congenital love of a brawl.&#8221;[Statement of Jeremiah Willey, August 13, 1844, Brigham Young correspondence, Church Archives.]</div>
<div>Gallaher was a young man from Mississippi who was shot in the face.[Hay, "The Mormon Prophet's Tragedy," 669, 675. Another source says Wills was a former Mormon elder who had left the Church. Davis, <span style="font-style: italic;">An Authentic Account</span>, 24.] Hay described Voras (Voorhees) as a &#8220;half-grown hobbledehoy from Bear Creek&#8221; whom Joseph shot in the shoulder. The citizens of Green Plains were said to have given Gallaher and Voras new suits of clothes for their parts in the killing.[Statement of Jeremiah Willey, August 13, 1844]</div>
</blockquote>
<div>I&#8217;ve never understood why anyone would question Joseph&#8217;s actions.  He had been beaten, and been subject to harrassment and death threats for years.  I came across an anti-Mormon website which used this smuggled gun and Joseph shooting others to paint the picture that Joseph didn&#8217;t go like a lamb to the slaughter, but went out with guns blazing.  Well, I&#8217;m no sheep farmer, but I don&#8217;t think sheep sit there peacefully before they die&#8211;they fight back.  I just don&#8217;t understand why anyone would be troubled by this.  I agree that it is a little strange that Joseph had a revolver while incarcerated, but would anybody who had been threatened like he had act any differently?</div>
</div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/11/10/carthage-conspiracy/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>95</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Did Elder Holland Denounce or Carefully Avoid the &#8220;Inspired Fiction&#8221; Theory?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/07/did-elder-holland-denounce-or-intentionally-avoid-the-inspired-fiction-theory/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/07/did-elder-holland-denounce-or-intentionally-avoid-the-inspired-fiction-theory/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apostles]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[lamanites]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Scriptural translation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=7796</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[If someone can find something in the Book of Mormon, anything that they love or respond to or find dear, I applaud that and say more power to you. That&#8217;s what I find, too. And that should not in any way discount somebody&#8217;s liking a passage here or a passage there or the whole idea of the book, but not agreeing to its origin, its divinity. . . . [W]e have many people who are members of the church who do not have some burning conviction as to its origins, who have some other feeling about it that is not as committed to foundational statements and the premises of Mormonism. But we&#8217;re not going to invite somebody out of the church over that any more than we would anything else about degrees of belief or steps of hope or steps of conviction. . . . We would say: &#8220;This is the way I see it, and this is the faith I have; this is the foundation on which I&#8217;m going forward. If I can help you work toward that I&#8217;d be glad to, but I don&#8217;t love you less; I don&#8217;t distance you more; I don&#8217;t say you&#8217;re unacceptable to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7825" title="hollandp" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hollandp-150x140.jpg" alt="hollandp" width="150" height="140" /><em>If someone can find something in the Book of Mormon, anything that they love or respond to or find dear, I applaud that and say more power to you. That&#8217;s what I find, too. And that should not in any way discount somebody&#8217;s liking a passage here or a passage there or the whole idea of the book, but not agreeing to its origin, its divinity. . . .  [W]e have many people who are members of the church who do not have some burning conviction as to its origins, who have some other feeling about it that is not as committed to foundational statements and the premises of Mormonism. But we&#8217;re not going to invite somebody out of the church over that any more than we would anything else about degrees of belief or steps of hope or steps of conviction. . . . We would say: &#8220;This is the way I see it, and this is the faith I have; this is the foundation on which I&#8217;m going forward. If I can help you work toward that I&#8217;d be glad to, but I don&#8217;t love you less; I don&#8217;t distance you more; I don&#8217;t say you&#8217;re unacceptable to me as a person or even as a Latter-day Saint if you can&#8217;t make that step or move to the beat of that drum.&#8221; . . .  We really don&#8217;t want to sound smug. We don&#8217;t want to seem uncompromising and insensitive. -Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, Mar. 6, 2006. (</em><a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html"><em>Source</em></a><em>.)</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>I testify that one cannot come to full faith in this Latter-day work and thereby find the fullest measure of peace and comfort in these our times until he or she embraces the divinity of the Book of Mormon and the Lord Jesus Christ of whom it testifies. If anyone is foolish enough or misled enough to reject 531 pages of a heretofore unknown text, teeming with literary and Semitic complexity, without honestly attempting to account for the origin of those pages somehow&#8211;especially without accounting for their powerful witness of Jesus Christ and the profound spiritual impact that witness has had on what is now tens of millions of readers&#8211;if that&#8217;s the case then such persons, elect or otherwise, have been deceived. And if they leave this Church, they must to do so by crawling over, or under, or around the Book of Mormon to make their exit.&#8221; -Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, Oct. 4, 2009.  (</em><a href="http://broadcast.lds.org/genconf/2009/10/50/GC_2009_10_503_HollandJR___eng_.wmv"><em>Source</em></a><em>.)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>When Elder Holland delivered his stinging rebuke to Book of Mormon critics in his General Conference address last Sunday, reactions ranged from <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/10/04/sunday-afternoon-general-conference-the-only-true-and-living-session-with-which-the-nacle-is-well-pleased/">&#8220;woots&#8221; and &#8220;double woots&#8221;</a> by literalist believers of the Book of Mormon, to disappointment by those who felt Elder Holland was backtracking on his prior statement that Church members who don&#8217;t believe the traditional story of its origins should <em>not</em> be considered &#8220;unacceptable . . . as a Latter-day Saint if [they] can&#8217;t make that step or move to the beat of that drum.&#8221;  However, after listening carefully to Elder Holland&#8217;s address again, I think both camps might be mistaken about what Elder Holland was intending to say, particularly with regard to the &#8220;Inspired Fiction&#8221; theory of the Book of Mormon.<span id="more-7796"></span></p>
<p><strong><em>The Inspired Fiction Theory and Its Scriptural Precedents</em></strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7832" title="jonah-whale" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/jonah-whale-150x150.jpg" alt="jonah-whale" width="150" height="150" />For those who may not be familiar with the Inspired Fiction theory, it goes something like this:  Scripture is a vehicle that teaches us divine truths through the medium of divinely-inspired stories which are oftentimes fictional. Just a few of the more obvious examples would be the parables contained in the New Testament, or the fantastic stories in the Old Testament (Noah and the Ark, Moses&#8217; divine cursing of Egypt, Jonah living three days in the belly of a whale, etc.).  These seemingly obvious examples of divinely-inspired fiction are no less important or valuable as sources of divine guidance than had they been literally true.  For example, the stories of the Prodigal Son or the Good Samaritan do not have to be based on literal historic events to have spiritual value.  Moreover, the fact that Jesus openly used fictional stories to teach timeless truths establishes an example and a pattern of God teaching his children spiritual truths through stories that are not grounded in literal, historic fact.</p>
<p>Latter-day Saint Apostles and scholars have embraced the notion that scripture may be divinely-inspired fiction.  For example, Apostle Parley P. Pratt stated that the Creation story was the equivalent of a child&#8217;s fable because humankind has not been intellectually equipped throughout the ages to understand its true origins.  (See <em>Temples of the Most High</em>.)</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7833" title="fac1" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fac1-150x150.gif" alt="fac1" width="150" height="150" />Moreover, faithful LDS scholars who have examined the surviving Egyptian papyri that were in Joseph Smith&#8217;s possession (which contain the facsimiles that appear in the Book of Abraham <a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/books/?bookid=40&amp;chapid=168">but which date from around 100 &#8211; 250 B.C. rather than from Abraham&#8217;s much earlier era</a>) have theorized that perhaps the Book of Abraham was not <em>translated</em> from Egyptian papyri even though Joseph Smith said it was, but rather, that the Book of Abraham was a divine revelation that Joseph was able to receive only after his mind was opened and prepared to receive it by examining the Egyptian papyri in his possession. (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  In other words, faithful LDS scholars hypothesize that despite Joseph&#8217;s claim that the Book of Abraham was &#8220;A Translation of some ancient Records, that have fallen into our hands from the catacombs of Egypt—The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus,&#8221; the papyrus merely served as a &#8220;catalyst&#8221; to inspire a divine revelation that was, in fact, <em>not</em> contained on the Egyptian papyri in his possession.  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  These LDS scholars feel comfortable with this possibility because, as one LDS apologetics forum explains: &#8220;Joseph used the word &#8216;<em>translation</em>&#8216; to mean several things, <em>including the process of receiving pure revelation</em>. (Joseph Smith&#8217;s revelations call his revision of the Bible a &#8220;translation&#8221; (<a style="text-decoration: none; color: #3366bb; background-image: url(http://en.fairmormon.org/wiki/skins/monobook/external.png); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 13px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background-position: 100% 50%;" title="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=D%26C+73%3A4%3B+D%26C+76%3A15%3B+D%26C+90%3A13%3B+D%26C+94%3A10%3B+D%26C+124%3A89" rel="nofollow" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=D%26C+73%3A4%3B+D%26C+76%3A15%3B+D%26C+90%3A13%3B+D%26C+94%3A10%3B+D%26C+124%3A89">D&amp;C 73:4; 76:15; 90:13; 94:10; 124</a>), even though he didn&#8217;t use any Hebrew of Greek manuscripts. Also, D&amp;C 7 is a revealed translation of a lost record written by the Apostle John.)&#8221;  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  Again, it is worth emphasizing that, according to faithful LDS apologists, Joseph Smith is known to have used the word &#8220;translation&#8221; to mean &#8220;the process of receiving pure revelation,&#8221; as opposed to literally translating words in an ancient record from one language to another.  (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/FAQ">Source</a>.)  Thus, faithful LDS scholars have no qualms with the possibility that Joseph may have <em>thought</em> he was producing a &#8220;translation&#8221; of an ancient record when in reality he was receiving and recording &#8220;pure revelation&#8221; that was <em>unconnected</em> to any ancient record, even when a physical object such as Egyptian papyri were present.  The overall concept is that Joseph&#8217;s revelations were divinely inspired <em>even if he didn&#8217;t completely understand the process</em> through which those revelations were received.</p>
<p><strong><em>Resistance to, and Acceptance of, the Inspired Fiction Theory</em></strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7834" title="liahona" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/liahona-150x150.jpg" alt="liahona" width="150" height="150" />When it comes to applying this same sort of theory to the Book of Mormon, however, the resistance sometimes becomes fierce.  It seems most LDS leaders and scholars are unwilling to extend this same theory to the Book of Mormon, and are deeply disturbed by any suggestion that the Book of Mormon represents anything less than an actual <em>translation</em> of Reformed Egyptian characters into English taken from an <em>actual historical record</em> written by <em>real persons </em>living anciently in the Middle East and on the American continent.  It is worth noting that this resistance to the Inspired Fiction theory persists even though LDS scholars now believe Joseph Smith and his contemporary Latter-day Saints were <em>mistaken</em> when they made many statements indicating their belief that the Book of Mormon accounts had taken place over large swaths of the North American continent.  (<a href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Brochures/Where_Did_the_Book_of_Mormon_Take_Place.pdf">Source</a>.)</p>
<p>In summary, most LDS scholars are comfortable stating that Joseph Smith did not actually <em>&#8220;translate&#8221;</em> the Book of Abraham and the Bible as that word is commonly understood, and that he was <em>mistaken</em> in thinking that the Book of Mormon accounts took place over large swaths of the North American continent (rather than a relatively small area in Guatemala and southern Mexico), but they are <em>unwilling</em> to allow for the possibility that Joseph Smith also <em>mistakenly</em> believed the Book of Mormon was a <em>translation</em> of an actual ancient record.</p>
<p>Some may ask: Why resist applying the Inspired Fiction theory to the Book of Mormon?  Why resist the idea that God inspired Joseph Smith to dictate the Book of Mormon to teach us divine truths through the medium of divinely-inspired stories that are equally fictional but no less valuable than the parables of Jesus?  Why resist the idea that Lehi, Nephi and others were divinely-inspired characters in a grand divine novel rather than real persons who actually lived in the ancient Americas?  Why resist the idea that Joseph mistakenly thought the Book of Mormon was a &#8220;translation&#8221; of an ancient record written by actual ancient prophets, similar to his mistakenly thinking he was translating the Egyptian papyri in his possession when he received the revelation that is the Book of Abraham?  In a prior interview, Elder Holland explained why he has difficulty embracing the Inspired Fiction theory:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="color: #333333;"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7837" title="Moroni_and_Joseph2" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Moroni_and_Joseph2-150x150.jpg" alt="Moroni_and_Joseph2" width="150" height="150" /><span style="color: #000000;">Now, in terms of more modern theories, there are those who say it&#8217;s more mythical literature and spiritual, and not literal. That doesn&#8217;t work for me. I don&#8217;t understand that, and I can&#8217;t go very far with that, because Joseph Smith said there were plates, and he said there was an angel. And if there weren&#8217;t plates and there wasn&#8217;t an angel, I have a bigger problem than whether the Book of Mormon is rich literature. . . . I have to go with what the prophet said about the book, about its origins, about the literalness of the plates, the literalness of the vision &#8212; and then the product speaks for itself.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re through examining the depth, the richness, the profundity, the complexity, all of the literary and historical and religious issues that go into that book. I think we&#8217;re still young at doing that. But the origins for me are the origins that the prophet Joseph said: a set of plates, given by an angel, translated by the gift and power of God. . . . (<a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html">Source</a>.)</span></p></blockquote>
<p>However, some LDS scholars, usually those whose conclusions fall outside the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; of what Church leaders and Church-funded scholars are comfortable accepting, view the Inspired Fiction theory as a favorable &#8220;middle ground&#8221; position where Latter-day Saints can continue to reverence the Book of Mormon as divinely-inspired scripture without having to believe it is an actual translation of an actual ancient record written by real people, and thereby avoiding the numerous challenges to the Book of Mormon&#8217;s historicity that currently keep a team of Church-funded scholars employed to research and respond to.   However, as LDS scholar Louis Midgley has explained, such a &#8220;middle ground&#8221; position is harmful to the Church&#8217;s tradition and interests:</p>
<blockquote><p>Some may ask: why not find a way to reduce the controversy over the Book of Mormon? What harm can such an accommodation do? The reasons for rejecting such compromises seem obvious to me. For one thing, the Book of Mormon is, more than anything else, what keeps the Church of Jesus Christ from becoming just another Protestant sect or social welfare agency. Its existence makes of Joseph Smith something other than a mere quaint or colorful example in a line of Christian primitivists or restorationists. In addition, the Book of Mormon was what witnessed to those who first became members of the fledgling Church of Christ that Joseph Smith wore the mantle of a genuine prophet, as it does to those who are currently believing and practicing Latter-day Saints. And its existence has, more than any other single thing, right from the beginning, distinguished the Latter-day Saints from various brands of Protestant sectarian religiosity. (<a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/review/?vol=6&amp;num=1&amp;id=140">Source</a>.)</p></blockquote>
<p><strong><em>Did Elder Holland Denounce or Carefully Avoid the Inspired Fiction Theory?</em></strong></p>
<p>Though it is clear that Elder Holland&#8217;s recent Conference address denounced all theories that portray Joseph Smith as having <em>knowingly</em> <em>fabricated</em> a book that he <em>knew</em> was <em>not</em> <em>divinely-inspired</em>, it is less clear to me after carefully listening to Elder Holland&#8217;s talk whether he was likewise intending to denounce the Inspired Fiction theory that portrays Joseph as receiving and dictating a <em>divinely-inspired </em>but fictional history of Israelites emigrating to and settling in ancient America as a medium for conveying spiritual truths and doctrines that promote the happiness, peace, and spiritual well-being of humankind.  As you read the portions of Elder Holland&#8217;s address quoted below, it is important to keep in mind the distinction between what Elder Holland personally believes about the Book of Mormon, and what he is comfortable allowing other faithful Latter-day Saints to believe about its origins (as we see reflected in the very first Holland quote above).  Although it is clear that Elder Holland <em>personally</em> believes the Book of Mormon is an actual translation of an actual ancient historical record, and although it is likewise clear he finds it utterly unacceptable for any Latter-day Saint to believe that Joseph Smith <em>knowingly</em>, and therefore <em>deceptively</em>, <em>fabricated</em> the Book of Mormon, ask yourself as you read Elder Holland&#8217;s remarks whether he allows for faithful Latter-day Saints to believe that the Book of Mormon was <em>divinely-inspired</em>, but that Joseph was simply <em>mistaken</em> in saying it was a translation of an actual physical historical record (as LDS scholars are willing to accept when it comes to the Book of Abraham and the Egyptian papyri Joseph Smith believed he was &#8220;translating&#8221;).   For example, when Elder Holland states that Latter-day Saints are &#8220;<em>deceived</em>&#8221; unless they believe in the &#8220;<em>divinity</em>&#8221; of the Book of Mormon, does that mean he feels Latter-day Saints are deceived if they believe it is <em>divinely-inspired</em> fiction?</p>
<p>In my view, Elder Holland selected his words very carefully, I suspect for the purpose of allowing faithful Latter-day Saints to hold a position that he personally does not share: that the Book of Mormon was <em>divinely-inspired, </em>but that Joseph did not recognize its stories as being <em>fictional</em> (again, similar to LDS apologists&#8217; theory that Joseph <em>mistakenly</em> believed the Book of Abraham was an actual translation of an actual historical record, rather than <em>knowingly lying</em> about it, and similar to LDS apologists&#8217; assertion that Joseph was <em>mistaken</em> in believing that the Book of Mormon actually took place over large swaths of North America, rather than <em>knowingly lying</em> about it).  And now, without further ado, the relevant portions of Elder Holland&#8217;s talk (as transcribed by me from the audio recording):</p>
<blockquote><p>There is one kind of latter-day destruction that has always sounded to me more personal than public, more individual than collective, a warning perhaps more applicable inside the Church than outside it.  The Savior warned in the last days, even those of the covenant, the very elect, could be deceived by the enemy of truth. . . .  [Elder Holland then identifies the Book of Mormon as a source of divine guidance in the Latter-days, summarizes Lehi's dream, focusing on the rod of iron and the mists of darkness, and relates a story of Hyrum reading a Book of Mormon passage to bring comfort to the party on their way to Carthage jail.]</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7840" title="smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD-150x150.jpg" alt="smith-carthage-martyrdom_MD" width="150" height="150" />Later, when actually incarcerated in the jail, Joseph the Prophet turned to the guards that held him captive and bore a powerful testimony of the <em>divine authenticity</em> of the Book of Mormon.  Shortly thereafter, pistol and ball would take the lives of these two testators. As one of a thousand elements of my own testimony of the <em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon, I submit this as yet one more evidence of its <em>truthfulness</em>.  In this their greatest and last hour of need, I ask you, would these men blaspheme before God by continuing to fix their lives, their honor, and their own search for eternal salvation on a book, and by implication a church and a ministry, they had fictitiously created out of whole cloth?!  . . . [A]nd tell me, whether in this hour of death, these two men would enter the presence of their eternal judge, quoting from, and finding solace in, a book which if not the very <em>word of God</em> would brand them as impostors and charlatans until the end of time.  They would not do that!   They were willing to die, rather than deny the <em>divine origin</em> and the <em>eternal truthfulness</em> of the Book of Mormon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Elder Holland&#8217;s choice of words above is interesting.  A Latter-day Saint who believes the Book of Mormon represents divinely-inspired fiction would whole-heartedly agree with his remarks about the Book of Mormon&#8217;s &#8220;divine authenticity,&#8221; &#8220;divinity,&#8221; &#8220;truthfulness,&#8221; &#8220;divine origin,&#8221; and &#8220;eternal truthfulness,&#8221; in the same way he or she would embrace the &#8220;divine authenticity&#8221; and &#8220;divine origin&#8221; and &#8220;eternal truthfulness&#8221; of Jesus&#8217; parables or any number of the fantastic stories in the Old Testatment.  Moreover, when Elder Holland uses the word &#8220;fictitiously&#8221; above, it&#8217;s seems he almost certainly means that Joseph would not have <em>knowingly</em> fictitiously created the Book of Mormon, as opposed to his receiving a divine revelation that he did not <em>recognize</em> as being a fictional spiritual history (again, in the same way LDS apologists hypothesize with regard to the Book of Abraham).  This line of thought continues in the next paragraph, where he denounces the various theories that portray Joseph as <em>knowingly</em> plagiarizing from other works to create the Book of Mormon, or <em>knowingly</em> fabricating it out of whole cloth:</p>
<blockquote><p>Failed theories about its origins have been born, parroted, and died.  From Ethan Smith to Solomon Spaulding, to deranged paranoid to cunning genius.  None of these frankly pathetic answers for this book has ever withstood examination because there is no other answer than the one Joseph gave as its young, unlearned translator. . .  .  &#8220;No wicked man could write such a book as this, and no good man would write it, unless it were true, and he were commanded of God to do so.&#8221;   I testify that one cannot come to full faith in this Latter-day work and thereby find the fullest measure of peace and comfort in these our times until he or she <em>embraces the </em><em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon and the Lord Jesus Christ of whom it testifies.  If anyone is foolish enough or misled enough to reject 531 pages of a heretofore unknown text, teeming with literary and Semitic complexity, without honestly attempting to account for the origin of those pages somehow&#8211;especially without accounting for their powerful witness of Jesus Christ and the profound spiritual impact that witness has had on what is now tens of millions of readers&#8211;if that&#8217;s the case then such persons, elect or otherwise, have been <em>deceived</em>.  And if they leave this Church, they must to do so by crawling over, or under, or around the Book of Mormon to make their exit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, I do not see anything here that should cause Latter-day Saints who ascribe to the Inspired Fiction theory of the Book of Mormon&#8217;s origins to feel as if they&#8217;ve been pronounced &#8220;deceived&#8221; by Elder Holland.  While he obviously sees &#8220;Semitic complexity&#8221; in the Book of Mormon, which he plainly relies upon to support his personal view that it represents literal history, he does so in the context of denouncing those those who deny the Book of Mormon&#8217;s <em>divinity</em>.  Of course, those who ascribe to the Inspired Fiction are in full agreement with Elder Holland about the <em>divinity</em> of the Book of Mormon, and could further believe that any genuine &#8220;Semitic complexity&#8221; within its pages was <em>divinely-inspired</em> as well.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7829" title="2009_gardner_02" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/2009_gardner_02-150x150.jpg" alt="2009_gardner_02" width="150" height="150" />Elder Holland then cited as support for his position that witnesses to the Gold Plates, some of whom were later sometimes hostile to Joseph, testified to their death that they had seen an angel and had handled the Gold Plates by the power of God and not the power of man.  Thus, Elder Holland plainly believes in the literal existence of Gold Plates, and views them as being the source material for the Book of Mormon, along with &#8220;gift and power of God&#8221; to translate them.  However, there is no plain denunciation of those who believe the Gold Plates could have been an angelically-provided object that served as a catalyst to open and prepare Joseph&#8217;s mind to receive the Book of Mormon through revelation, in the same way that LDS apologists posit Joseph received the &#8220;pure revelation&#8221; of the Book of Abraham after examining the catalyst to that revelation, namely, the Egyptian papyri in his possession.  Moreover, this would explain the accounts where Joseph &#8220;translated&#8221; the Book of Mormon while he gazed into a seer stone placed in his hat, rather than by reading from the characters on the Gold Plates.  (<a href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2009_Joseph_the_Seer.html">Source</a>.)</p>
<p>Elder Holland continues:</p>
<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7841" title="FribergMormonFarewell" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/FribergMormonFarewell-150x150.jpg" alt="FribergMormonFarewell" width="150" height="150" />Now, I did not sail with the brother of Jared . . .  . I did not hear King Benjamin speak his angelically-delivered sermon.  I did not proselyte with Alma and Amulek . . . .  I was not among the Nephite crowd who touched the wounds of the resurrected Lord, nor did I weep with Mormon and Moroni over the destruction of an entire civilization.   But my testimony of this record and the peace it brings to the human heart is as binding and unequivocal as was theirs.  Like them, I give my name unto the world to witness unto the world of that which I have seen, and like them, I lie not,  God bearing witness of it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose one could read the quote above cynically to mean that Elder Holland said he didn&#8217;t do any of these things because they never actually happened, but I don&#8217;t believe for a second that was his intended meaning.  It seems this passage again demonstrates Elder Holland&#8217;s belief that these were actual historic events.  But is that the equivalent of saying that those Latter-day Saints who do not share that belief are <em>&#8220;deceived&#8221;? </em>I personally don&#8217;t think so, because when he referred to Latter-day Saints being &#8220;deceived&#8221; about the Book of Mormon earlier in his remarks, he did so in the context of identifying those who deny the Book of Mormon&#8217;s <em>divinity.</em> Moreover, if at any point in his talk Elder Holland intended to say that faithful Latter-day Saints <em>must</em> believe the Book of Mormon is a <em>literal historical account of real people</em>, he could easily have just said so.  For example, he could have easily testified to the Book of Mormon&#8217;s &#8220;historical truthfulness&#8221; or &#8220;historical authenticity&#8221; but instead, he chose to testify of its &#8220;<em>divinity</em>&#8221; and &#8220;<em>eternal truthfulness</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Elder Holland concluded with his personal testimony of the Book of Mormon:</p>
<blockquote><p>I want it absolutely clear when I stand before the judgment bar of God that I declared to the world in the most straightforward language I can summon, that the Book of Mormon is <em>true</em>, that <em>it came forth the way Joseph said it came forth</em>, and was given to bring happiness and hope to the faithful in the travail of the last days.  My witness echoes that of Nephi, who wrote part of the book in his last days, &#8220;hearken unto <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span> and <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span>; and <span class="searchword">if</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> not <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span>.  And <span class="searchword">if</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> <span class="searchword">shall</span> <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">Christ</span> <span class="searchword">ye</span> will <span class="searchword">believe</span> <span class="searchword">in</span> <span class="searchword">these</span> <span class="searchword">words</span>, for they are the <span class="searchword">words</span> of <span class="searchword">Christ</span>, . . . and they teach all men that they should do good.  And <span class="searchword">if</span> they are not the <span class="searchword">words</span> of <span class="searchword">Christ</span>, judge <span class="searchword">ye</span>—for <span class="searchword">Christ</span> will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his <span class="searchword">words</span>, at the last day.</p>
<p>Remember this declaration by Jesus himself: &#8220;Whoso treasureth up my word shall not be decieved.&#8221; And in the last days, neither your heart nor faith will fail you.   Of this I earnestly testify, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen</p></blockquote>
<p>Once again, a Latter-day Saint who ascribes to the Inspired Fiction theory would have no problem echoing Elder Holland&#8217;s testimony that the Book of Mormon is &#8220;true&#8221; any more than the average LDS apologist would bristle at the suggestion that that the parables of Jesus, or the Book of Abraham or the Joseph Smith&#8221;translation&#8221; of the Bible, are &#8220;true&#8221;&#8211;even though those are all recognized by LDS apologists as potentially being divinely-inspired fiction and not literal translations of actual historical records in Joseph&#8217;s possession.</p>
<p>Finally, I can&#8217;t help noting what I feel must have been carefully chosen wording by Elder Holland in saying that the Book of Mormon &#8220;came forth the way Joseph said it came forth.&#8221;  This language struck me because it reminded me of a passage in an official Church text book used in CES Institute and BYU Religion classes, <em>Church History in the Fullness of Times</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7842" title="Translating" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Translating-150x150.jpg" alt="Translating" width="150" height="150" /><em>Little is known</em> about the actual process of translating the record, primarily because <em>those who knew the most about the translation, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, said the least about it</em>.  Moreover, Martin Harris, David Whitmer, and Emma Smith, who assisted Joseph, left no contemporary descriptions.  The sketchy accounts they recorded much later in life were often contradictory.</p>
<p>The Prophet was <em>reluctant to give the details about the translation</em>.  In a Church conference held 25-26 October 1831 in Orange, Ohio, Hyrum requested that a firsthand account of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon be given.  But the Prophet said, &#8220;It was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.&#8221;  Joseph explained in an open letter to a newspaper editor in 1833 the heart of the matter, but he gave few particulars, stating that the Book of Mormon was &#8220;found through the ministration of an holy angel, and translated into our own language by the gift and power of God.&#8221;  (Church History in the Fullness of Times, p. 58, Church Education System, 1993.)</p></blockquote>
<p>This passage raises some interesting questions:  Why did Joseph and Oliver say so little about the method of translation of the Book of Mormon?  Why was Joseph Smith &#8220;reluctant to give the details about the translation&#8221;?  When Joseph Smith&#8217;s own brother Hyrum, who obviously believed in the Book of Mormon, asked Joseph to give a firsthand account of its coming forth to a Church conference, why did Joseph answer that &#8220;[i]t was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon&#8221;?  Why did Joseph stick to generalities about the Book of Mormon being translated &#8220;by the gift and power of God&#8221;?</p>
<p>Elder Holland&#8217;s fervent testimony that the Book of Mormon &#8220;came forth in the way Joseph said it came forth&#8221; takes on an interesting meaning when examined in the context of these statements.  It seems he too was testifying, in general terms, that the Book of Mormon came forth &#8220;by the gift and power of God,&#8221; which is a statement that adherents to the Inspired Fiction theory can fully agree with.</p>
<p>So what do you think?  Did Elder Holland intend to denounce the Inspired Fiction theory along with all other non-traditional theories about its orgins, or did he, consistent with his words in the first quote above, intentionally and carefully avoid it to provide room within the Church for those for whom the Inspired Fiction theory serves as a lifeline that keeps them tethered to the Church?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/07/did-elder-holland-denounce-or-intentionally-avoid-the-inspired-fiction-theory/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>257</slash:comments>
			<enclosure url="http://broadcast.lds.org/genconf/2009/10/50/GC_2009_10_503_HollandJR___eng_.wmv" length="39337712" type="video/x-ms-wmv" />
	</item>
		<item>
		<title>Hypocrisy, Thy Name Is Biblical Translation</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/08/27/hypocrisy-thy-name-is-biblical-translation/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/08/27/hypocrisy-thy-name-is-biblical-translation/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[evangelicals]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=5983</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[This probably will be the shortest post I ever write, but sometimes less is more.  I hope that is the case here. I have to shake my head in amusement - and sometimes really laugh &#8211; when I hear those who complain about the wording of the Book of Mormon (that it&#8217;s too much from the KJV of the Bible and the language Joseph and the people of his time spoke), while having no problem whatsoever with Christians using non-KJV, modern translations of the Bible because that version is too hard to understand. It&#8217;s totally fine to translate the Bible into words and phrases and a style that teenagers now will understand, but it&#8217;s not OK for Jospeh to use words and phrases the readers of his time would understand?  It&#8217;s fine for the Bible to go through extensive translations of varying degrees of difficulty for individual understanding, resulting in numerous acceptable versions (including some that without question are &#8220;20th and 21st Century versions&#8221;), but it&#8217;s not OK for Joseph to have translated the Book of Mormon into 19th Century, Christian terminology?  If people hundreds of years from now could access only the translations of the Bible written in modern English for modern teenagers, they would reject it out-of-hand as being [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This probably will be the shortest post I ever write, but sometimes less is more.  I hope that is the case here. <span id="more-5983"></span></p>
<p>I have to shake my head in amusement - and sometimes really laugh &#8211; when I hear those who complain about the wording of the Book of Mormon (that it&#8217;s too much from the KJV of the Bible and the language Joseph and the people of his time spoke), while having no problem whatsoever with Christians using non-KJV, modern translations of the Bible because that version is too hard to understand. It&#8217;s totally fine to translate the Bible into words and phrases and a style that teenagers now will understand, but it&#8217;s not OK for Jospeh to use words and phrases the readers of his time would understand?  It&#8217;s fine for the Bible to go through extensive translations of varying degrees of difficulty for individual understanding, resulting in numerous acceptable versions (including some that without question are &#8220;20th and 21st Century versions&#8221;), but it&#8217;s not OK for Joseph to have translated the Book of Mormon into 19th Century, Christian terminology? </p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">If people hundreds of years from now could access only the translations of the Bible written in modern English for modern teenagers, they would reject it out-of-hand as being a &#8220;product of its time&#8221; &#8211; exactly as so many people say they reject the Book of Mormon for that reason. </span></p>
<p>All other translation issues aside, I just find this particular argument amusing, since it really is a comical argument to make from within Christianity.  I have to believe those who use that rationale either don&#8217;t understand that modern translations of ancient works generally are written and &#8220;translated&#8221; in such as way that those who read it in that culture and time can understand it (&#8220;Romeo+Juiet&#8221; or &#8220;Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou&#8221;, anyone? &#8211; or the multitudinous versions of classics that get modernized as movies) <strong>OR</strong> that they have a deeper, more foundational reason for rejecting it &#8211; like a rejection of the overall prophetic calling of Joseph Smith. </p>
<p>I believe rejecting the Book of Mormon because of a rejection of Joseph Smith is a teneble position; I belive rejecting Joseph Smith because of a belief that the Book of Mormon linguistically is a &#8221;product of its time&#8221; is not. </p>
<p>Irony, thy name is scriptural translation.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/08/27/hypocrisy-thy-name-is-biblical-translation/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>63</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Bushman&#8217;s Take on Polygamy</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/20/bushmans-take-on-polygamy/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/20/bushmans-take-on-polygamy/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[polygamy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[women]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=5815</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago, here at Mormon Matters, I posted on My Perspective on Polygamy (with a longer version found on my blog.)  I hinted that I wanted to talk about it some more, and this time I thought I would try a more &#8220;faithful&#8221; perspective.  A commenter on my blog took exception to some &#8220;hearsay&#8221; I had been discussing.  So, I wanted to see what Bushman had to say on these issues, as well as address some assertions by others regarding Joseph&#8217;s possibly nefarious motives for polygamy.  Specifically, I want to address 3 controversial issues: (1) Was Joseph&#8217;s polygamy revelation really a disguise for his real motive as a womanizer (libertine)? (2) What is the true nature of the Fanny Alger relationship? (3) Was Eliza Snow pushed down the stairs by Emma? Let&#8217;s look at how does Richard Bushman, author of Rough Stone Rolling sees these issues. (1)  Was Joseph a Libertine? I have never been especially fond of this position, and neither is Bushman.  I don&#8217;t think it adequately explains Joseph&#8217;s actions.  From page 325, Because plural marriage was so sexually charged, the practice has provoked endless speculation about Joseph&#8217;s motives.  Was he a libertine in the guise [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago, here at Mormon Matters, I posted on <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/17/my-perspective-on-polygamy">My Perspective on Polygamy</a> (with a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/17/my-perspective-on-polygamy">longer version found on my blog</a>.)  I hinted that I wanted to talk about it some more, and this time I thought I would try a more &#8220;faithful&#8221; perspective.  A commenter on my blog took exception to some &#8220;hearsay&#8221; I had been discussing.  So, I wanted to see what Bushman had to say on these issues, as well as address some assertions by others regarding Joseph&#8217;s possibly nefarious motives for polygamy.  Specifically, I want to address 3 controversial issues:</p>
<p><span id="more-5815"></span></p>
<p>(1) Was Joseph&#8217;s  polygamy revelation really a disguise for his real motive as a womanizer  (libertine)?</p>
<p>(2) What is the true nature of the Fanny Alger relationship?</p>
<p>(3)  Was Eliza Snow pushed down the stairs by Emma?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at how does Richard  Bushman, author of <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/236609.Joseph_Smith_Rough_Stone_Rolling">Rough  Stone Rolling</a> sees these issues.</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><strong>(1)   Was Joseph a Libertine?</strong></p>
<p>I have never been especially fond of this position, and neither is Bushman.   I don&#8217;t think it adequately explains Joseph&#8217;s actions.  From page 325,</p>
<blockquote><p>Because plural marriage was so sexually charged, the practice has provoked  endless speculation about Joseph&#8217;s motives.  Was he a libertine in the guise of  a prophet seducing women for his own pleasure?  The question can never be  answered definitively from historical sources, but the language he used to  describe marriage is known.  Joseph did not explain plural marriage as a love  match or even a companionship.  Only slight hints of romance found its way into  his proposals.  He understood plural marriage as a religious principle&#8230;.As  Joseph described the practice to [Levi] Hancock, plural marriage had the  millennial purpose of fashioning a righteous generation on the eve of the Second  Coming.</p>
<p>&#8230; page 437</p>
<p>Joseph exercised such untrammeled authority in Nauvoo that it is possible to  imagine him thinking no conquest beyond his reach.  In theory, he could take  what he wanted and browbeat his followers with threats of divine punishment.</p>
<p>This simple reading of Joseph&#8217;s motives is implicit in descriptions of him as  &#8220;a charismatic, handsome man.&#8221;  They suggest he was irresistible and made the  most of it.  Other Mormon men went along the way out of loyalty or in hopes of  sharing power.  But missing from that picture is Joseph&#8217;s sense of himself.  In  public and private, he spoke and acted as if guided by God.  All the doctrines,  plans, programs, and claims were ,in his mind, the mandates of heaven.  They  came to him as requirements, with a kind of irresistible certainty&#8230;.</p>
<p>page 438,</p>
<p>The possibility of an imaginary revelation, erupting from his own heart and  subconscious mind, seems not to have occurred to Joseph.  To him, the words came  from heaven.  They required obedience even though the demand seemed  contradictory or wrong.  The possibility of deception did not occur to  him&#8230;.</p>
<p>Joseph never wrote his personal feelings about plural marriage.  Save for the  revelation given in the voice of God, everything on the subject comes from  people around him.  But surely he realized that plural marriage would inflict  terrible damage, that he ran the risk of wrecking his marriage and alienating  his followers.  How could faithful Emma, to whom he pledged his love in every  letter, accept additional wives?&#8230;Sexual excess was considered the all too  common fruit of pretended revelation.  Joseph&#8217;s enemies would delight in one  more evidence of a revelator&#8217;s antinomian transgressions.</p>
<p>&#8230; page 440</p>
<p>The personal anguish caused by plural marriage did not stop Joseph Smith from  marrying more women.  He married three in 1841, eleven in 1842, and seventeen in  1843.  Historians debate these numbers, but the total figure is most likely  between twenty-eight and thirty-three.  Larger numbers have been proposed based  on the sealing records in the Nauvoo temple.  Eight additional women were sealed  to Joseph in the temple after his death, possibly implying a marriage while he  was still alive.  Whatever the exact number, the marriages are numerous enough  to indicate an impersonal bond.  Joseph did not marry women to form a warm,  human companionship, but to create a network of related wives, children, and  kinsmen that would endure into the eternities&#8230;. He did not lust for women so  much as he lusted for kin.</p></blockquote>
<p>I found this last statement especially intriguing, because there is no DNA  evidence that Joseph had any kin from wives other than Emma.  Continuing on page 440,</p>
<blockquote><p>Romance played only a slight part.  In making proposals, Joseph would  sometimes say God had given a woman to him, or they were meant for each other,  but there was no romantic talk of adoring love.  He did not court his  prospective wives by first trying to win their affections.  Often, he asked a  relative&#8211;a father or an uncle&#8211;to propose the marriage.  Sometimes one of his  current wives proposed for him.  When he made the proposal himself, a friend  like Brigham Young was often present.  The language was religious and doctrinal,  stressing that a new law has been revealed.  She was to seek spiritual  confirmation.  Once consent was given, a formal ceremony was performed before  witnesses, with Joseph dictating the words to the person officiating.</p>
<p>Joseph himself said nothing about sex in these marriages.  Other marriage  experimenters in Joseph&#8217;s time focused on sexual relations.  The Shakers  repudiated marriage altogether, considering sex beastly and unworthy of a  millenial people&#8230;.</p>
<p>page 441</p>
<p>We might expect that Joseph, the kind of dominant man who is thought to have  strong libidinal urges, would betray his sexual drive in his talk and manner.   Bred outside the rising genteel culture, he was not inhibited by Victorian  prudery.  But references to sexual pleasure are infrequent.  Years later,  William Law, Joseph&#8217;s counselor in the First Presidency, said he was shocked to  hear Joseph say one of his wives &#8220;afforded him great <em>pleasure</em>.&#8221;  That  report is one of the few, and the fact that it shocked Law suggests that such  comments were infrequent.  As Fawn Brodie said, &#8220;There was too much of the  Puritan&#8221; in Joseph for him to be a &#8220;careless libertine.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>What was the nature of the Fanny Alger relationship?</strong></p>
<p>Some people have wondered if Alger was ever pregnant.  Bushman says there is  no good evidence of this position.  Many people often quote Oliver Cowdery (as  does Bushman) as referring to the &#8220;dirty, nasty, filthy affair.&#8221;  First, let&#8217;s  provide some background on Alger.  From pages 323-327,</p>
<blockquote><p>Alger was fourteen when her family joined the Church in Mayfield, near  Kirtland, in 1830.  In 1836, after a time as a serving girl in the Smith  household, she left Kirtland and soon married.  Between those two dates, perhaps  as early as 1831, she and Joseph were reportedly involved, but conflicting  accounts make it difficult to establish the facts&#8211;much less to understand  Joseph&#8217;s thoughts.</p>
<p>&#8230; page 324</p>
<p>Cowdery, long Joseph&#8217;s friend and associate in visions, was a casualty of the  bad times.  In 1838, he was charged with &#8220;seeking to destroy the character of  President Joseph Smith jr by falsly insinuating that he was guilty of adultry  &amp;c.&#8221;  Fanny Alger&#8217;s name was never mentioned, but doubtless she was the  woman in question.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Cowdery and Joseph aired their differences at a meeting in November 1837  where Joseph did not deny his relationship with Alger, but contended that he had  never confessed to adultery.  Cowdery apparently had said otherwise, but backed  down at the November meeting.  When the question was put to Cowdery &#8220;if he  [Joseph] had ever acknowledged to him that he was guilty of such a thing&#8230;he  answered No.&#8221;  That was all Joseph wanted: an admission that he had not termed  the Alger affair adulterous.  As Cowdery told his brother, &#8220;just before leaving,  he [Joseph] wanted to drop every past thing, in which had been a difficulty or  difference&#8211;he called witnesses to the fact, gave me his hand in their presence,  and I might have supposed of an honest man, calculated to say nothing of former  matters.</p>
<p>These scraps of testimony recorded within a few years of the Alger business  show how differently the various parties understood events&#8230;. On his part,  Joseph never denied a relationship with Alger, but insisted it was not  adulterous.  He wanted it on record that he had never confessed to such a sin.   Presumably, he felt innocent because he had married Alger.</p>
<p>After the Far West council excommunicated Cowdery, Alger disappears from the  Mormon historical record for a quarter of a century.  Her story was recorded as  many as sixty years later by witnesses who had strong reason to take sides.   Surprisingly, they all agree that Joseph married Fanny Alger as a plural  wife.</p>
<p>&#8230; page 437</p>
<p>After marrying Fanny Alger sometime before 1836, Joseph, it appears, married no one else until he wed Louisa Beaman on April 5, 1841, in Nauvoo.  (Historians debate the possibility of one other wife in the interim.)</p>
<p>&#8230;page 325</p>
<p>Most of the other stories about Joseph&#8217;s plural marriage in Kirtland come  from one individual without confirmation from a second source.  Ann Eliza, for  example, included a story of Fanny being ejected by a furious Emma, one of the  few scraps of information about her reaction.  Ann Eliza could not have been an  eyewitness because she was not yet born, but she might have heard the story from  her parents who were close to the Smiths.  Are such accounts to be believed?   One of the few tales that appears in more than one account was of Oliver Cowdery  experimenting with plural wives himself, contrary to Joseph&#8217;s counsel.  That  pattern of followers marrying prematurely without authorization was repeated  later when some of Joseph&#8217;s followers used the doctrine of plural marriage as a  license for marrying at will.  Stories like these, all of them partisan, must be  treated with caution.</p>
<p>&#8230; page 326The end of Joseph&#8217;s relationship with Fanny Alger is as elusive as the  beginning.  After leaving Kirtland in September 1836, Alger, reportedly a  comely, amiable person, had no trouble remarrying.  Joseph asked her uncle  Hancock to take her to Missouri, but she went with her parents instead.  They  stopped in Indiana for a season, and while there she married Solomon Custer, a  non-Mormon listed in the censuses as a grocer, baker, and merchant.  When her  parents moved on, Alger remained in Indiana with her husband.  She bore nine  children.  After Joseph&#8217;s death, Alger&#8217;s brother asked her about her  relationship with the Prophet.  She replied:  &#8220;That is all a matter of my&#8211;own.   And I have nothing to Communicate.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Was Eliza Snow pushed down the stairs?</strong></p>
<p>Bushman doesn&#8217;t think so.  From page 493,</p>
<blockquote><p>One story told in Utah in the 1880s had Emma pushing one of Mormondom&#8217;s most  honored women, Eliza Roxcy Snow, down the stairs upon discovering she was  married to Joseph, but the evidence for the incident is shaky.  Snow was a  refined, intelligent woman who had been brought into the Smith household to  teach their children.  She joined the Mormons in 1835 along with her sister  Leonora and moved to Kirtland, where she boarded with the Smiths and taught  school.  Slender and ramrod straight, Snow was the most intellectual of all the  women converts.  She wrote poetry and prepared a constitution for the Female  Relief Society.  Repelled at first by the practice of plural marriage, she  concluded that she was &#8220;living in the dispensation of the fulness of times,  embracing all the other Dispensations,&#8221; and so &#8220;surely Plural Marriage must  necessarily be included.&#8221;  Brigham Young performed the ceremony for Joseph and  Eliza on June 29, 1842.  She was thirty-eight, two years older than Joseph.  She  later spoke of him as &#8220;my beloved husband, the choice of my heart and the crown  of my life.&#8221;</p>
<p>In August 1842, Emma invited Eliza to move back into the Smith household.  In  December, Eliza began teaching the Smith children and ran a school for them and  others until March 1843.  Eliza noted in her diary that on February 11, 1843,  while still teaching, she moved out of the Smiths&#8217; house without saying why,  though the reason could well be that on the same day, Joseph&#8217;s mother, Lucy Mack  Smith, moved in.  Later gossip blamed Emma.  All the versions of the Eliza  story, however, were attenuated.  Most of them were tales told many decades  after the fact and were second- or third-hand hearsay.  Some had Emma pushing  Eliza, others said she beat her.  None hold up under scrutiny.  They have to be  read skeptically because of the widespread dislike for Emma among the Utah  Mormons.  Brigham Young never forgave her for breaking with the Church and not  coming west.  She was considered a traitor to Mormonism because she remained  behind and denied, in carefully worded statements that skirted the truth, that  Joseph took additional wives.  When her sons, then leaders of a rival branch of  Mormonism, the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, came to  Utah on missions in the 1860s, they tried to trace and discredit every claim  that Joseph had multiple wives.  In response, the Utah church secured scores of  affidavits from people who knew of the practice in Nauvoo.  Besides proving the  existence of plural marriage, the affidavits attempted to refute the hypothesis  that Joseph&#8217;s relations with his plural wives were purely spiritual.  Some  members of the Reorganized Church accepted ceremonial marriages but thought  Joseph never slept with his wives.  To rebut that view, the affidavits noted the  occasions when Joseph occupied the same room with a wife, facts that might have  been omitted had not the Utah Mormons been determined to prove the Joseph and  his plural wives were married as completely as the later polygamists under  Brigham Young.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bushman gives so much detail, that it is hard to cover every aspect in a  single post.  (There is <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/06/14/bushmans-perspective-on-polygamy-alger-and-snow/">more detail found here</a>.)  But, given this information, what do you make of Smith&#8217;s practice  of polygamy?  Are you comfortable with it?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/20/bushmans-take-on-polygamy/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>110</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Are we going to be Eunuchs after this life?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/27/are-we-going-to-be-eunuchs-after-this-life/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/27/are-we-going-to-be-eunuchs-after-this-life/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[abuse]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[burdens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Discrimination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[diversity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[eternity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fear]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Folklore]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[general]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Happiness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Humor]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jesus]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[obedience]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[orthodox]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[resolutions]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sexuality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spiritual progression]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spirituality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tesimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[women]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=5023</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[My home teacher (who is very cool) came by yesterday to drop off some starter cables for my car and as one does in that short interlude we discussed the celestial kingdom and being Gods after this life. He believed that those who don&#8217;t make it to the highest kingdom in the Celestial Kingdom won&#8217;t have any sexual relationships and if you don&#8217;t have sexual relationships their will be no need for sexual organs. Its interesting talking about controversial stuff but I was finding this unnerving!! Eunuch 1: a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace 2: a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals 3: one that lacks virility or power &#60;political eunuchs&#62; In both of these kingdoms [i.e., the terrestrial and telestial] there will be changes in the bodies and limitations. They will not have the power of increase, neither the power or nature to live as husbands and wives, for this will be denied them and they cannot increase. Those who receive the exaltation in the celestial kingdom will have the &#8220;continuation of the seeds forever.&#8221; They will live in the family relationship. In the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ken-and-barbie.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-5024" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ken-and-barbie.jpg" alt="" width="144" height="193" /></a></p>
<p>My home teacher (who is very cool) came by yesterday to drop off some starter cables for my car and as one does in that short interlude we discussed the celestial kingdom and being Gods after this life. He believed that those who don&#8217;t make it to the highest kingdom in the Celestial Kingdom won&#8217;t have any sexual relationships and if you don&#8217;t have sexual relationships their will be no need for sexual organs.</p>
<p><span id="more-5023"></span></p>
<p>Its interesting talking about controversial stuff but I was finding this unnerving!!</p>
<p><strong>Eunuch</strong><br />
1: a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace<br />
2: a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals<br />
3: one that lacks virility or power &lt;political eunuchs&gt;</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/10-161-12.gif"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-5287" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/10-161-12.gif" alt="" width="139" height="181" /></a></p>
<p><!--[if gte vml 1]&gt; &lt;![endif]--></p>
<p>In both of these kingdoms [i.e., the terrestrial and telestial] there will be changes in the bodies and limitations. They will not have the power of increase, neither the power or nature to live as husbands and wives, for this will be denied them and they cannot increase. Those who receive the exaltation in the celestial kingdom will have the &#8220;continuation of the seeds forever.&#8221; They will live in the family relationship. In the terrestrial and in the telestial kingdoms there will be no marriage. Those who enter there will remain &#8220;separately and singly&#8221; forever. Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed. <strong>I take it that men and women will, in these kingdoms, be just what the so-called Christian world expects us all to be &#8211; neither man nor woman, merely immortal beings having received the resurrection. </strong>(Doctrines of Salvation. vol. 2, pg. 287-288.)</p>
<p>Joseph Smith said that even the telestial Kingdom was thousands of times better than this world and if we had a glimpse of it we would kill ourselves now to get there. I think many of us now would disagree with Joseph Smith Jr in light of reading the more current views of Joseph Fielding Smith.</p>
<p>In the <a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html">family proclamation</a> we learn that Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose. But the family proclamation is not kingdom specific to whether will still have our male or female gender if we don&#8217;t make it to the highest kingdom of the Celestial Kingdom.</p>
<p>I thought I was being unique <em>(pun) </em>in this post but as I have researched,being a so called  EUNUCH is a phrase used in the Bloggernacle since 2006 its called  <a href="http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/the-tk-smoothie-rule/">TK SMOOTHIE</a></p>
<p>It has two definitions</p>
<ol type="1">
<li>The logical conclusion for JFS, then, was to say      that the people in the TK would not have male or female genitalia.</li>
<li>If a doctrine of the church seems like it has      been created in order to &#8220;fix&#8221; or explain another, it might be a TK      Smoothie. The TK Smoothie is eponymous for all doctrines that are probably      bogus but exist in order to clarify some other doctrine or speculation.</li>
</ol>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bishop-young.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-5028" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bishop-young.jpg" alt="" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Bishop Young <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </strong><a href="http://spanishfork401stward.blogspot.com/2009/04/tk-smoothie.html">Spanish Fork 401st Ward</a></p>
<p>In Mormonism, we have an expanded picture of life that extends before this mortal life and then on into the eternities. However, when you really dig into this, it turns out that we have very few details on what to expect after this life, and the details we do have come mostly from talks given almost 175 years ago. And to say that our expectations of &#8216;Heaven,&#8217; have changed quite a bit since then is a gross understatement.</p>
<p>Despite all the speculation, one detail that we know for sure: unless you make it to the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, there will be no eternal sex. Basically, you&#8217;d be turned into a Telestial/Terrestrial Kingdom Smoothie (TK Smoothie). I like to imagine these lesser-Kingdoms as the Barbie &amp; Ken Kingdoms. Everyone walking around looking beautiful and perfect for eternity, but having a smooth under-carriage like Barbie or Ken.</p>
<p><a href="http://spanishfork401stward.blogspot.com/2009/04/tk-smoothie.html"><br />
</a></p>
<p>Parley P. Pratt</p>
<p>The object of the union of the sexes is the propagation of their species, or procreation; <strong>also for mutual affection, and the cultivation of those eternal principles of never ending charity and benevolence</strong>, which are inspired by the Eternal Spirit; also for mutual comfort and assistance in this world of toil and sorrow, and for mutual duties toward their offspring. Key to the Science of Theology, Ch.17, p.169</p>
<p>I would like to believe as Parley P Pratt describes that this mutual affection will not only be for this life but carried through to all the kingdoms after this life to all of our Brothers and Sisters who have lived on this earth.</p>
<p><strong>Questions</strong></p>
<ol type="1">
<li>If you make it to the Celestial Kingdom how      would you feel when you visit a Parent, Grandparent, Brother, Sister, Son      or Daughter in the Terrestrial Kingdom with out any Gender?</li>
<li>Do you believe Joseph Fielding Smith is correct?</li>
<li>Is there any current doctrine that overrides his      beliefs?</li>
<li>If JFS doctrine is correct the word Brother and Sister takes on a whole      different meaning in the Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdom?</li>
<li>Is it silly doctrine we should jettison?</li>
<li>If it is still true do you think if we      emphasised it more it might motivate members to push harder for the      Celestial Kingdom?</li>
<li>Doctrines of Salvation is most of it safe doctrine we can use in our talks and lessons ?  Is      some of it suspect and if it is how do we know what that is? Do you think of it as interesting reading not really fiction      but not really solid doctrinally? How would you describe it?</li>
</ol>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/27/are-we-going-to-be-eunuchs-after-this-life/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>64</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>What Else Did God Say To Joseph?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/16/what-else-did-god-say-to-joseph/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/16/what-else-did-god-say-to-joseph/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Larsen</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[First Vision]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4963</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Not too long ago, I sat through an Elders Quorum lesson about the First Vision. The teacher, who I like and who generally does a good job, was leading a paint-by-numbers sort of discussion (Q: &#8220;What do we learn from The First Vision&#8221;; A: &#8220;God has a body&#8221;). As usual for this topic, the lesson had its share of omissions (no mention of the other accounts) and historical missteps (&#8220;No one else in 1820 believed that God and Christ were separate beings&#8221;). All in all, it was a fairly typical meeting and, to be honest, I was zoning out. But then, quite unexpectedly, the lesson took a decidedly more interesting turn. The instructor focused on one seemingly minor detail of Joseph&#8217;s account that, despite having read it dozens of times, came as a surprise to me: &#8220;He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time.&#8221;  (JS-H 1:20). To be honest, I had totally forgotten about Joseph&#8217;s private conversation with God. Of course, the notion of God forbidding his prophets from writing down something he has told or shown them is not new. But [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/rane-first-vision_md.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-4966" title="rane-first-vision_md" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/rane-first-vision_md.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="390" /></a>Not too long ago, I sat through an Elders Quorum lesson about the First Vision. The teacher, who I like and who generally does a good job, was leading a paint-by-numbers sort of discussion (Q: &#8220;What do we learn from The First Vision&#8221;; A: &#8220;God has a body&#8221;). As usual for this topic, the lesson had its share of omissions (no mention of the other accounts) and historical missteps (&#8220;No one else in 1820 believed that God and Christ were separate beings&#8221;). All in all, it was a fairly typical meeting and, to be honest, I was zoning out.</p>
<p>But then, quite unexpectedly, the lesson took a decidedly more interesting turn. The instructor focused on one seemingly minor detail of Joseph&#8217;s account that, despite having read it dozens of times, came as a surprise to me: &#8220;He again forbade me to join with any of them; <strong><em>and many other things did he say unto me</em></strong>, <strong><em>which I cannot write at this time</em></strong>.&#8221;  (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/20#20">JS-H 1:20</a>).</p>
<p>To be honest, I had totally forgotten about Joseph&#8217;s private conversation with God. Of course, the notion of God forbidding his prophets from writing down something he has told or shown them is not new. But what makes this 15-word passage (which is not mentioned again in the History) particularly interesting is that Joseph never was shy about sharing what he felt had been revealed to him. Furthermore, as far as I know, he never revealed what &#8220;other things&#8221; God had told him during that experience.</p>
<p>The teacher then posed a question, which I now present for your consideration: what unwritten things do you think God said to Joseph at that moment?</p>
<p><span id="more-4963"></span>Since that lesson, I have given quite a bit of thought to what God might have told the 14-year old Joseph. As far as I know, Joseph never clarified this ambiguity.  In the absence of such an explanation, here is the best I can do:</p>
<p>For us looking back, the purpose of the First Vision was the restoration of the Gospel &#8212; the re-opening of the heavens, the beginning of the last dispensation, the kingdom of God once again on the Earth, etc.  But for Joseph, all of that was well in the future. For him, the experience was of a much more narrow and personal scope &#8212; God forgave his sins and answered his prayer (a point made even more prominently in the earliest versions of the experience). What was to come in subsequent years likely was far beyond even his wildest dreams at the time. God, on the other hand, knew what was in the cards for his chosen Prophet. With that in mind, I like to imagine that this &#8220;off-the-record&#8221; time was a moment when God stepped out of his role of &#8220;Restorer&#8221; and into his role as &#8220;Father.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have three daughters and, many times, I can see danger ahead long before they do. Countless times I have pulled their bikes out of the path of approaching cars, yanked their hands out of doorjambs, and scooped them up before they left the sidewalk. I&#8217;m no superhero, that&#8217;s just part of the job of being a father. Perhaps in that moment, as Joseph stood on the precipice of a brand new life as God&#8217;s &#8220;chosen one&#8221; &#8212; a life filled with suffering, loss, and persecution culminating in his murder &#8212; God took a brief sidebar to warn his child of the dangers ahead, to express his appreciation for him, and to tell him, &#8220;I love you.&#8221; Speaking as a father, that makes a lot of sense to me. Speaking as a fellow child of God, that brings me peace.</p>
<p>Your speculation, of course, is as good as mine.  What do you think?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/16/what-else-did-god-say-to-joseph/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>18</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Scripture Study:  What&#8217;s Expedient?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/14/scripture-study-whats-expedient/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/14/scripture-study-whats-expedient/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Asides]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Humor]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[love]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mercy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prayer]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[condemnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[expedient]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4771</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;d like to start a new feature showcasing stuff I read in the scriptures and getting your opinions on what the heck you think it means.  Hope you like it.  I just read D&#38;C 88 and ran across an interesting passage we&#8217;ve all heard/read before in vv. 64 and 65 that begs the question:  What&#8217;s expedient? First of all, here&#8217;s what it says: 64 Whatsoever ye aask the Father in my name it shall be given unto you, that is bexpedient for you; 65 And if ye ask anything that is not aexpedient for you, it shall turn unto your bcondemnation. Wowzers.  So:  &#8220;Be careful what you wish for.&#8221;  This leads to some logical questions about expediency and condemnation: Expediency.  The definition of &#8220;expediency&#8221; is:  1. fit or suitable for the purpose; proper under the circumstances. or 2.  conducive to advantage or interest.  Expediency is a big JS word.  It appears 52 times in the BOM and 27 times in the D&#38;C.  It only appears 7 times in other scripture:  John uses it 3 times and Paul uses it 4 times. Do people pray for things that they don&#8217;t think are expedient?  Don&#8217;t they ask for something because they think it&#8217;s what they need?  So, is this a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to start a new feature showcasing stuff I read in the scriptures and getting your opinions on what the heck you think it means.  Hope you like it.  I just read D&amp;C 88 and ran across an interesting passage we&#8217;ve all heard/read before in vv. 64 and 65 that begs the question:  What&#8217;s expedient?<span id="more-4771"></span></p>
<p>First of all, here&#8217;s what it says:</p>
<blockquote><p>64 Whatsoever ye <sup>a</sup><a title="TG Communication; TG Prayer." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/64a"><span style="color: #40639d;">ask</span></a> the Father in my name it shall be given unto you, that is <sup>b</sup><a title="D&amp;C 18: 18." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/64b"><span style="color: #40639d;">expedient</span></a> for you;</p>
<p>65 And if ye ask anything that is not <sup>a</sup><a title="Rom. 8: 26 (26-27); James 4: 3; D&amp;C 46: 28 (28-30)." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/65a"><span style="color: #40639d;">expedient</span></a> for you, it shall turn unto your <sup>b</sup><a title="D&amp;C 63: 11 (7-12)." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/65b"><span style="color: #40639d;">condemnation</span></a>.</p></blockquote>
<div class="verse" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Wowzers.  So:  &#8220;Be careful what you wish for.&#8221;  This leads to some logical questions about expediency and condemnation:</div>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)"><strong><img class="alignright" src="http://www.nick.com/kids-choice-awards/common/images/nominees/the-fairly-odd-parents-cartoon_nompage.jpg" alt="" width="204" height="165" />Expediency</strong>.  The definition of &#8220;expediency&#8221; is:  1. fit or suitable for the purpose; proper under the circumstances. or 2.  conducive to advantage or interest.  Expediency is a big JS word.  It appears 52 times in the BOM and 27 times in the D&amp;C.  It only appears 7 times in other scripture:  John uses it 3 times and Paul uses it 4 times.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<div onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Do people pray for things that they don&#8217;t <em>think</em> are expedient?  Don&#8217;t they ask for something because they think it&#8217;s what they need?  So, is this a caution against being too specific in what you ask for?  Or against misunderstanding what&#8217;s proper under the circumstances or advantageous to you?  Doesn&#8217;t that notion contradict this one:</div>
</li>
</ul>
<blockquote>
<div onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)"><strong>Luke 11: 11-13</strong>:  11  If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a <span class="searchword"><strong>stone</strong></span>? or if <em>he ask</em> a <span class="searchword"><strong>fish</strong></span>, will he for a <span class="searchword"><strong>fish</strong></span> give him a serpent?  12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?  13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall <em>your</em> heavenly Father give <sup>a</sup><a title="JST Luke 11: 14  . . .  good gifts, through the Holy Spirit,  . . . " type="H" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/11/13a"><span style="color: #40639d;">the</span></a> Holy Spirit to them that ask him?</div>
</blockquote>
<ul>
<li>Is something expedient for some people and not for others?  Can I ask for something and get it, but if you ask for it, it will turn unto your condemnation?</li>
<li>How expedient is expedient?  What if something is kind of expedient, but then the time has just passed?  (Like OC translating was no longer expedient, &#8220;Sorry time&#8217;s up, thank you for playing.&#8221;)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong><img class="alignright" src="http://www.oceanisland.com/gallery/amenities/vendingmachines/vending_machine06.jpg" alt="" width="179" height="132" />Condemnation</strong>.  This doesn&#8217;t specify whether you will get it or not if it&#8217;s not expedient, just that it will be for your condemnation. </p>
<ul>
<li>Does that mean that if God doesn&#8217;t give you what you asked for (I keep picturing a vending machine), that it wasn&#8217;t expedient and now you&#8217;d better duck because condemnation is coming?  Can nothing happening or just not getting it be the &#8221;condemnation&#8221;?</li>
<div onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">
<li>
<div onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Does God ever give you the thing that wasn&#8217;t expedient, and him giving it to you is in fact how it turns to your condemnation?  (An ironic twist &#8211; that&#8217;s how it works on Fairly Oddparents anyway).</div>
</li>
<li>What kind of condemnation is this we&#8217;re talking about?  Full-on raging condemnation or something mild that goes away with an over-the-counter salve?</li>
</div>
</ul>
<p>Discuss.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/14/scripture-study-whats-expedient/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>29</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Faith vs. Doubt</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/09/faith-vs-doubt/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/09/faith-vs-doubt/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Asides]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[burdens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Charity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christ]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[depression]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Discrimination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[diversity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fear]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[inter-faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[liberal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[love]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mercy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[orthodox]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[President Monson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[restoration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spirituality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4885</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Faith and doubt cannot exist in the same mind at the same time, for one will dispel the other.&#8221; Here are a few responses from various different individuals to this quote from this weekend&#8217;s General Conference: &#8220;It&#8217;s not as if you&#8217;re going to hear that and say &#8220;Right. I guess I don&#8217;t have doubts.&#8221; It seems more likely that people will hear that and say &#8220;Right. I guess I don&#8217;t have faith.&#8221;" &#8220;Plenty of seemingly incompatible thoughts/emotions coexist in the same mind at the same time without dispelling each other. It&#8217;s like saying &#8220;being faithful in marriage means never having desires for another woman/man&#8221; when the truth is faithfulness in marriage is about staying committed in spite of those desires.&#8221; &#8220;If Joseph Smith hadn&#8217;t doubted a whole bunch of things would we even have the LDS Church?&#8221; &#8220;One popular ZEN proverb reads, “Where there is great doubt, there will be great awakening; small doubt, small awakening; no doubt, no awakening.” It’s refreshing and uplifting to think about doubt as a positive catalyst for reflection and self-discovery, rather than a weakness to be risen above.&#8221; &#8220;If faith means enough hope to act even though one is not absolutely certain of the result, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Faith and doubt cannot exist in the same mind at the same time, for one will dispel the other.&#8221;<span id="more-4885"></span></p>
<p>Here are a few responses from various different individuals to this quote from this weekend&#8217;s General Conference:</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;It&#8217;s not as if you&#8217;re going to hear that and say &#8220;Right. I guess I don&#8217;t have doubts.&#8221; It seems more likely that people will hear that and say &#8220;Right. I guess I don&#8217;t have faith.&#8221;"</li>
<li>&#8220;Plenty of seemingly incompatible thoughts/emotions coexist in the same mind at the same time without dispelling each other. It&#8217;s like saying &#8220;being faithful in marriage means never having desires for another woman/man&#8221; when the truth is faithfulness in marriage is about staying committed in spite of those desires.&#8221;</li>
<li><img class="alignright" src="http://www.moroni10.com/vision1.jpg" alt="" />&#8220;If Joseph Smith hadn&#8217;t doubted a whole bunch of things would we even have the LDS Church?&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;One popular ZEN proverb reads, “Where there is great doubt, there will be great awakening; small doubt, small awakening; no doubt, no awakening.” It’s refreshing and uplifting to think about doubt as a positive catalyst for reflection and self-discovery, rather than a weakness to be risen above.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;If faith means enough hope to act even though one is not absolutely certain of the result, the opposite is enough despair or discouragement that we become paralyzed from acting. If one calls that despair or discouragement &#8220;doubt&#8221;, then I agree that doubt is the opposite of faith.  However, I personally see doubt as uncertainty, recognizing the possibility that what we hope for or believe is not true. For me, that is an inherent component of faith. Without that uncertainty or doubt, I do not think faith exists (because it would be knowledge or certainty).&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;I&#8217;ve heard plenty of Church leaders admit to feeling doubts, and Joseph Smith seemed full of them. But quotes like this do set-up a certain mindset among the &#8220;faithful&#8221; that they should never entertain doubt, or else. The sad thing here is that this state-of-mind is temporary at best, and can often lead to complete loss of faith. But some GC talks seem more designed to rally than educate, which explains stuff like this.&#8221;</li>
<li><a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.montagneministries.com/Mother%2520Theresa.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.montagneministries.com/devins_art_religious.htm&amp;usg=__VK0Q83b9qf4XxckmZ0cCmAK-jNM=&amp;h=581&amp;w=459&amp;sz=135&amp;hl=en&amp;start=7&amp;sig2=hvorfr7P9R8dwWEhJqa8RQ&amp;tbnid=9zubZTPupxT5pM:&amp;tbnh=134&amp;tbnw=106&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmother%2Btheresa%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den&amp;ei=_5DaSdWXM5rqtQOsmo3NBg"><img class="alignright" style="border: 1px solid;" src="http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:9zubZTPupxT5pM:http://www.montagneministries.com/Mother%2520Theresa.jpg" alt="" width="106" height="134" /></a>&#8220;What was most striking about Mother Theresa was the juxtaposition of faith and doubt in her life. She had such faith, yet such doubt at the same time. I think it&#8217;s totally bogus to pit faith and doubt against each other as opposites. They aren&#8217;t competitors, they&#8217;re collaborators &#8211; they encourage each other. Faith exists because of doubt, and doubt because of faith. IMO, faith without doubt is smug arrogance. Show me someone who has no doubt, and I&#8217;ll show you someone who has no faith.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Pope Benedict referred to Mother Thesesa&#8217;s doubts as the &#8220;silence of God,&#8221; and said that all true believers must learn to deal with the silence of God which inevitably come to all of us.&#8221;</li>
<li><img class="alignright" src="http://api.ning.com/files/ie1tpCrlpR3StbupvnQTS7wsD2ES2M6LLukZieUpufU_/CrownOfthorns.jpg" alt="" width="145" height="190" />&#8220;Elder Holland said Jesus needed to experience something like doubt. Joseph Smith certainly did&#8211;see the first verses of section 121. And the book of Job is full of doubts and anguish (although, in the condensed version we skip from Job&#8217;s refusal to condemn God and go straight to the restoration of his prior blessing, and we overlook his struggles and anguish and anger expressed in the intervening chapters).&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;If faith is a spiritual gift, then only some will receive it. I&#8217;m paraphrasing, but the scripture says some will have the give of faith and some will have the gift to believe those with faith and some will have other gifts. And yet then we are told it is a sin if we don&#8217;t have this gift?&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;When church leaders are asking for us to have faith in God, they really mean have faith in what they tell you about God and what the scriptures say about God, but neither are God, they are just ideas.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>What do you think?  Does doubt drive out faith?  Or is faith without doubt smug arrogance?  Is doubt an essential part of faith development?  Is some doubt bad (paralyzing doubt) and some good (energizing doubt)?  Is doubt the same as &#8220;the silence of God&#8221; that Mother Theresa, Joseph Smith, Jesus, and Job all experienced?  Do you view doubt as a complement to faith or the enemy of faith?  Is there a &#8220;war on doubt&#8221; in the church?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/09/faith-vs-doubt/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>47</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The Untold Story of Black Mormons by Guest</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/02/the-untold-story-of-black-mormons-by-guest/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/02/the-untold-story-of-black-mormons-by-guest/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[baptism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[blacks]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bloggernacle]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[books]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[burdens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[BYU]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Charity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cinema]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Discrimination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[diversity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[evangelicals]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fear]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Folklore]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[liberal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Logic]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[obedience]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prayer]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Priesthood]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[race]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[racism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[resolutions]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[restoration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[righteousness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tesimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4704</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[When I served a mission in eastern Canada in the early 90s, there were many things I was grateful for (warm boots, wool suits, fairly normal food). But above all, I was grateful that I was sent to a region with very few black people, as I was not looking forward to having to defend something in the Church’s past that had deeply troubled even a relatively immature teenager with a limited knowledge of Church history and doctrine. By that point, the ban on male black members having the priesthood had been lifted for more than a dozen years. Yet, it still bothered me. And it seemed far from a settled issue. Plenty of influential writings from top Church leaders could be found in any ward house library that linked all black people back to Cain and postulated that they were “less valiant” in the pre-existence – hence, no priesthood. I never believed this, and would have had a very difficult time trying to teach this nonsense with a straight face. Luckily, I never had to. I share that background to explain why – at Sunstone West this past weekend – I took such a keen interest in a screening [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="center;">When I served a mission in eastern Canada in the early 90s, there were many things I was grateful for (warm boots, wool suits, fairly normal food). But above all, I was grateful that I was sent to a region with very few black people, as I was not looking forward to having to defend something in the Church’s past that had deeply troubled even a relatively immature teenager with a limited knowledge of Church history and doctrine.<br />
<span id="more-4704"></span><br />
<img class="size-medium wp-image-4707  alignright" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/abel.png" alt="" width="116" height="172" />By that point, the ban on male black members having the priesthood had been lifted for more than a dozen years. Yet, it still bothered me. And it seemed far from a settled issue. Plenty of influential writings from top Church leaders could be found in any ward house library that linked all black people back to Cain and postulated that they were “less valiant” in the pre-existence – hence, no priesthood. I never believed this, and would have had a very difficult time trying to teach this nonsense with a straight face. Luckily, I never had to.</p>
<p>I share that background to explain why – at Sunstone West this past weekend – I took such a keen interest in a screening of the film “Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons.” Produced by Margaret Blair Young and Darius Gray, this movie goes through the history of black people in the Church and the evolution of the priesthood ban, which is largely &#8220;credited&#8221; to Brigham Young. Apparently, he evolved (or de-volved) in his views, as the movie had some interesting early quotes from him that were far more kind and tolerant towards blacks than some of his later whoppers. The historical context painted by the film shows an influx of Mormon converts from the southern states who brought their slaves to Utah. Henceforth, Young made the decision to make Utah into a slave-friendly territory. Another bit of historical context that I don’t remember being mentioned in the film is that the Democratic Party (then pro-slavery) was also more tolerant of plural marriage, which was likely another factor in the decision.</p>
<p>Fascinating as the history was, the movie was far more touching for me on a personal level. I was utterly floored by the powerful testimonies shared by the many black LDS members interviewed on camera. Many of these folks joined the Church while the ban still existed. One African-American sister shared the heartbreaking observation that the first time she was ever called a “nigger” was in the Salt Lake temple. Yet, she was far from angry. Like many others of all races, her life had been touched in a positive way by the Gospel. That many of these folks retained a love and loyalty to an organization that had rejected them for so long was amazing. The Church apparently did not sponsor this project, but it should buy every copy that it can and send it out to all four corners of the Earth. Seriously, who better to share the hopeful message of the Gospel than a group of people who consistently getting the short end of the stick.</p>
<p>Another interesting tidbit from the film was a story about Dr. Cecil “Chip” Murray, retired pastor of the First AME Church of Los Angeles (which was founded by a former slave of Mormon pioneers). Murray shares a story on camera that he was once invited to meet with then-President Hinckley at the Church Office Building. At that meeting, he says Hinckley apologized to him for the Church&#8217;s participation in the slavery issue and for its part in perpetuating prejudice against black people. How broad he meant that is arguable, but it certainly seems a long way from just three decades ago.</p>
<p>Ms. Young was there and hosted a lively discussion afterwards. She is working on getting the film distributed. Apparently, Howard University has agreed to show it on its PBS station. Hopefully, BYU does the same. Anyone interested should start bugging their local PBS station. And maybe some e-mails to Netflix to spark their interest wouldn’t hurt, either.</p>
<p>Basically, two thumbs up here. Despite the lousy economy, I would heartily recommend dipping into your wallet for $25 to buy the DVD (it can be found at</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nobody-knows1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-4714" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nobody-knows1.jpg" alt="" width="215" height="215" /></a></p>
<p><!-- m --><a class="postlink" rel="nofollow" href="http://derefer.me/?http://www.untoldstoryofblackmormons.com">http://www.untoldstoryofblackmormons.com</a></p>
<p><!-- m -->) And no, I’m not getting a cut. Thanks for listening.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/02/the-untold-story-of-black-mormons-by-guest/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>33</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Big Love -Big News</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/10/big-love-big-news/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/10/big-love-big-news/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[abuse]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[adultery]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[baptism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bloggernacle]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[burdens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Charity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[children]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christ]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Discrimination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[diversity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fear]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[FLDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[general]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Happiness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[inter-faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jesus]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[marriage]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[media]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[meetings]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[movies]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[news]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[obedience]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ordinances]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[orthodox]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[polygamy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Priesthood]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[resignation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[RLDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[salvation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spirituality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[television]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[temple]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Utah]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[women]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4483</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The only time I have seen Big Love is on a transatlantic flight back home to Salt Lake.  My initial thoughts were how amazing to have a church just like ours (almost) right in our back door and no one seems to know of it, as they keep it fairly discreet on the show. From what I saw these Josephites seem to be very similar (i.e. Family Prayer, FHE, Family Council, even similar programs and auxiliaries).  They even seemed to act like Mormons I grew up with. Since there was a split of Josephites from the Brighamites, wouldn’t most of these branches have similar temple ceremonies to ours?  If so shouldn’t they be the ones who are offended, not the Brighamites? Big Love episode draws criticism from LDS Church Before the first season of the HBO series Big Love aired more than two years ago, the show&#8217;s creator and HBO assured the Church that the series wouldn&#8217;t be about Mormons. Here Big Love Series to Show Rites from LDS Temples SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) &#8211; The HBO series &#8220;Big Love&#8221; will show its version of temple rites belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/big-love.bmp"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-4484" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/big-love.bmp" alt="" width="241" height="200" /></a><span id="more-4483"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The only time I have seen Big Love is on a transatlantic flight back home to Salt Lake.  My initial thoughts were how amazing to have a church just like ours (almost) right in our back door and no one seems to know of it, as they keep it fairly discreet on the show.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">From what I saw these Josephites seem to be very similar (i.e. Family Prayer, FHE, Family Council, even similar programs and auxiliaries).  They even seemed to act like Mormons I grew up with.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Since there was a split of Josephites from the Brighamites, wouldn’t most of these branches have similar temple ceremonies to ours?  If so shouldn’t they be the ones who are offended, not the Brighamites?</p>
<h2>Big Love episode draws criticism from LDS Church</h2>
<p>Before the first season of the HBO series Big Love aired more than two years ago, the show&#8217;s creator and HBO assured the Church that the series wouldn&#8217;t be about Mormons.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11874222">Here</a></p>
<h2>Big Love Series to Show Rites from LDS Temples</h2>
<p class="MsoNormal">SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) &#8211; The HBO series &#8220;Big Love&#8221; will show its version of temple rites belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  The episode is scheduled to air Sunday, March 15.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Big-Love-Series-to-Show-Rites-from-LDS-Temples/jLosV5DOFEGbruoG8RRbxQ.cspx?rss=20">Here</a></p>
<h2>‘Big Love&#8217;s&#8217; promise to show LDS temple rituals has many crying foul</h2>
<p class="MsoNormal">Richard Cowan, a BYU professor of church history and doctrine, said:  &#8221;It isn&#8217;t something that we want to keep away from everyone who isn&#8217;t a member of our faith, but rather something we would like to share with those who are personally and spiritually prepared to appreciate it.&#8221;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&amp;sid=5803281">Here</a></p>
<h2>&#8216;Big Love&#8217; prompts LDS Church response and analysis</h2>
<p class="MsoNormal">Certainly church members are offended when their most sacred practices are misrepresented or presented without context or understanding.  Last week some church members began e-mail chains calling for cancellations of subscriptions to AOL, which (like HBO) is owned by Time Warner.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.mormontimes.com/around_church/general_authority/?id=6649">Here</a></p>
<p><span style="&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">Please discuss anything and everything.<br />
</span></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/10/big-love-big-news/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>33</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Mormon Art &#8211; the Good, the Bad and the Ugly</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/05/mormon-art-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/05/mormon-art-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Asides]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[diversity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[evangelicals]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Humor]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[inter-faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jesus]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[symbols]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[art]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Del Parsons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[First Vision]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jesus pictures]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[nativity]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4349</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[From the misguided and ill-conceived to the hurl-worthy, why is there so much bad Mormon Art?  Do Mormons have worse artistic taste than non-Mormons?  Or just on par?  You be the judge.  I&#8217;ve included various works of art below, all by Mormon artists.  Some I like and some I don&#8217;t.  See what you think.   To the right is a statue of the First Vision.  Actually, I kind of like this one, although I&#8217;m not a fan of the medium the artist used. This one is from Jesus&#8217; little-known Sermon in Stepford.  Much discussion has been had elsewhere about the problematic placement of the rose and whether this is supposed to be a picture of Jesus with his polygamous wives.  The artist has apparently denied that interpretation, but without an explanation of the phallic rose.   A Moroni tree-topper.  Not exactly art, but kitschy.  It&#8217;s almost so bad that it&#8217;s good in a Nebraska salt and pepper shaker way. This Nativity inspired painting is both beautiful and thought-provoking.     This toothy-grinned Jesus is not nearly as good as its unsmiling counterpart.  This picture doesn&#8217;t make Jesus look very smart, IMO.  Like he didn&#8217;t get the joke, but he&#8217;s laughing anyway. This just looks [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the misguided and ill-conceived to the hurl-worthy, why is there so much bad Mormon Art?  Do Mormons have worse artistic taste than non-Mormons?  Or just on par?  You be the judge.  I&#8217;ve included various works of art below, all by Mormon artists.  Some I like and some I don&#8217;t.  See what you think.<span id="more-4349"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/The_First_Vision_sculpture_Conference_Center.jpg/180px-The_First_Vision_sculpture_Conference_Center.jpg" alt="Image" width="159" height="259" /> </p>
<p>To the right is a statue of the First Vision.  Actually, I kind of like this one, although I&#8217;m not a fan of the medium the artist used.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://ldstalk.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/img_03291.jpg" alt="Image" width="132" height="148" /></p>
<p>This one is from Jesus&#8217; little-known Sermon in Stepford.  Much discussion has been had <a href="http://ldstalk.wordpress.com/2007/07/29/jesus-was-a-polygamist/">elsewhere </a>about the problematic placement of the rose and whether this is supposed to be a picture of Jesus with his polygamous wives.  The artist has apparently denied that interpretation, but without an explanation of the phallic rose.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.souvenirstop.com/images/moronitop_lg.jpg" alt="Image" width="144" height="139" /></p>
<p> </p>
<p>A Moroni tree-topper.  Not exactly art, but kitschy.  It&#8217;s almost so bad that it&#8217;s good in a Nebraska salt and pepper shaker way.</p>
<dl id="profile18728" class="postprofile" style="width: 512px;">
<dt>
<div class="back2top"><a class="top" title="Top" href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-admin/#wrap"></a></div>
<p><span class="corners-bottom"><span><img src="http://markandsarah.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/nativity-full-copyright.jpg" alt="" width="502" height="200" /></span></span></p>
</dt>
</dl>
<p>This Nativity inspired painting is both beautiful and thought-provoking.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.truthbook.com/images/gallery/Del_Parson_Christs_Love_140.jpg" alt="" width="247" height="322" /></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>This toothy-grinned Jesus is not nearly as good as its unsmiling counterpart.  This picture doesn&#8217;t make Jesus look very smart, IMO.  Like he didn&#8217;t get the joke, but he&#8217;s laughing anyway.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.utahgothic.com/images/gilgal/joesmithshnx.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>This just looks like it belongs in a mini golf course to me.  Art?  Really?  Was this before wide-spread adoption of the Word of Wisdom?  Just plain weird.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.hiddenriverart.com/images/olsen9.JPG" alt="" width="425" height="89" /></p>
<p>This painting of the sacred grove always looks like it was inspired by the Redwood Forest rather than anything actually growing in upstate NY.  Accuracy aside, though, it&#8217;s nice enough with the effect of the light filtering through the trees.</p>
<p><a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/joli20082008/ProphetTattoo.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendID%3D82855184&amp;usg=__zK2Gfp9WORGTTiRr_4CHo4Yhhkw=&amp;h=342&amp;w=478&amp;sz=32&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;sig2=FoLICda0I2ddYGx74vpwSQ&amp;tbnid=X4w0ZsfNAMOt5M:&amp;tbnh=92&amp;tbnw=129&amp;ei=E7-tSYrdNILYsAOD2YjzDw&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dprophet%2Btattoos%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX"><img class="alignright" style="border: 1px solid;" src="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:X4w0ZsfNAMOt5M:http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/joli20082008/ProphetTattoo.jpg" alt="" width="188" height="141" /></a></p>
<p>This tattooed man (those are prophets&#8217; portraits on his back) spells one word to me:  &#8220;devotion.&#8221;  I&#8217;d like to see him add one of E. Oaks since the &#8220;no tattoos&#8221; pronouncement.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/images/Basic_Gospel_Resoration_Moroni_Visitations.jpg" alt="Image" width="143" height="183" /></p>
<p>I like this more Art Deco version of Moroni, although that trumpet looks a little bit improbable, like a straightened ear horn or gramophone.  Or a yard-long beer.</p>
<p>I have also noticed that many other religions seem to like our Jesus pictures, particularly these two:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.rationalrevolution.net/images/clouds-jesus.jpg" alt="" width="212" height="256" /> and <img src="http://www.geocities.com/DaveGarber1975/church/Image_-_Jesus_Christ.jpg" alt="" width="194" height="251" /></p>
<p>So, what do you think?  What Mormon artists do you like and which ones do you not like?  Why is there so much bad taste in Mormon art (kitschy or weird stuff) or is this just true of all religious art?  Is it because that&#8217;s what sells or is that blaming the victims?  Or does religious feeling inspire otherwise unskilled and inartistic people to create &#8220;art&#8221;?</p>
<p>Do you disagree with any of the above artistic assessments (beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all)?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/05/mormon-art-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>28</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>RS/PH #28:  Missionary Service: A Holy Calling, a Glorious Work</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/01/rsph-28-missionary-service-a-holy-calling-a-glorious-work/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/01/rsph-28-missionary-service-a-holy-calling-a-glorious-work/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[missionary]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[missions]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4380</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Missionary Work—When I first saw the topic, I thought “Ugh, what a boring topic.”  But I was pleasantly surprised, and learned some things about early LDS missionary work. From the Manual Heber C. Kimball, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve, recalled: “About the first day of June 1837, the Prophet Joseph came to me, while I was seated in … the Temple, in Kirtland, and whispering to me, said, ‘Brother Heber, the Spirit of the Lord has whispered to me, “Let my servant Heber go to England and proclaim my gospel and open the door of salvation to that nation.” ’ ” (Deseret News 1858). Elder Kimball was overwhelmed by the thought of such an undertaking: “I felt myself one of the very weakest of God’s servants. I asked Joseph what I should say when I got there; he told me to go to the Lord and He would guide me, and speak through me by the same spirit that [directed] him.” (Deseret News 1862) The Prophet also extended calls to Orson Hyde, Willard Richards, and Joseph Fielding in Kirtland, and to Isaac Russell, John Snyder, and John Goodson in Toronto, Canada. These brethren were to join Elder [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missionary Work—When I first saw the topic, I thought “Ugh, what a boring topic.”  But I was pleasantly surprised, and learned some things about early LDS missionary work.<br />
<span id="more-4380"></span><strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>From the Manual</strong></p>
<p>Heber C. Kimball, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve, recalled: “About the first day of June 1837, the Prophet Joseph came to me, while I was seated in … the Temple, in Kirtland, and whispering to me, said, ‘Brother Heber, the Spirit of the Lord has whispered to me, “Let my servant Heber go to England and proclaim my gospel and open the door of salvation to that nation.” ’ ” (Deseret News 1858). Elder Kimball was overwhelmed by the thought of such an undertaking: “I felt myself one of the very weakest of God’s servants. I asked Joseph what I should say when I got there; he told me to go to the Lord and He would guide me, and speak through me by the same spirit that [directed] him.” (Deseret News 1862)</p>
<p>The Prophet also extended calls to Orson Hyde, Willard Richards, and Joseph Fielding in Kirtland, and to Isaac Russell, John Snyder, and John Goodson in Toronto, Canada. These brethren were to join Elder Kimball on his mission to England. Gathering in New York City, they sailed on the ship Garrick for Great Britain on July 1, 1837. This first mission outside of North America brought some 2,000 converts into the Church during the missionaries’ first year in England. Elder Kimball wrote joyfully to the Prophet: “Glory to God, Joseph, the Lord is with us among the nations!” (Conference Report 1920)</p>
<p>A second apostolic mission to Britain, involving most members of the Twelve under the leadership of Brigham Young, was directed by the Prophet from Nauvoo. Leaving in the fall of 1839, the Twelve arrived in England in 1840. There they began a labor that by 1841 would bring over 6,000 converts into the Church, fulfilling the Lord’s promise that He would do “something new” for the salvation of His Church.</p>
<p><em><strong>Comments and Questions.</strong></em></p>
<p><em>Ok, so that’s 8,000 converts, roughly 15 missionaries, in 2 years, with no MTC, no previous LDS church members in England, no correlated discussions, and no copies of the Book of Mormon to give out, though people could probably purchase them.  What can we learn from these early missionary efforts?</em></p>
<p><em>I look back at my mission.  We had approximately 180 missionaries at all times, and I believe we had about 500-600 baptisms in 2 years in my mission.  What other differences are there between our modern day missionary program and these early apostles missions?  Would it help to have older missionaries?</em></p>
<p><strong>Foundation for foreign missions.</strong></p>
<p>From Nauvoo, Joseph Smith continued to send missionaries throughout the world. Elder Orson Hyde landed in England in 1841 and later continued his assigned mission to Jerusalem. He carried a letter of recommendation from Joseph Smith recognizing “the bearer of these presents, a faithful and worthy minister of Jesus Christ, to be our agent and representative in foreign lands, to … converse with the priests, rulers and Elders of the Jews.” (Times and Seasons, Apr. 1840) On October 24, 1841, Elder Hyde knelt on Jerusalem’s Mount of Olives and petitioned Heavenly Father to dedicate and consecrate the land “for the gathering together of Judah’s scattered remnants, according to the predictions of the holy prophets.” (Orson Hyde, A Voice from Jerusalem, or a Sketch of the Travels and Ministry of Elder Orson Hyde (1842), p. 29) Elder Hyde then made his way to Germany, where he laid an initial foundation for the growth of the Church there.</p>
<p>On May 11, 1843, the Prophet called Elders Addison Pratt, Noah Rogers, Benjamin F. Grouard, and Knowlton F. Hanks to perform missions to the islands of the South Pacific. This was the first mission of the Church anywhere in that vast region. Elder Hanks died at sea, but Elder Pratt traveled to the Austral Islands, where he taught the gospel on the island of Tubuai. Elders Rogers and Grouard continued to Tahiti, where hundreds of people were baptized as a result of their labors.</p>
<p>Under the direction of Joseph Smith, the Saints were moving forward to fulfill the Lord’s command: “Go ye into all the world; and unto whatsoever place ye cannot go ye shall send, that the testimony may go from you into all the world unto every creature” (D&amp;C 84:62).</p>
<p><em><strong>Comments and Questions</strong><br />
</em></p>
<p><em>Has anyone opened a new area where the LDS church was completely unknown?  If so, can you share insights into the benefits and/or problems associated with opening a new area?<br />
</em></p>
<p><strong>No Bible Bashing</strong></p>
<p>“Oh, ye elders of Israel, hearken to my voice; and when you are sent into the world to preach, tell those things you are sent to tell; preach and cry aloud, ‘Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand; repent and believe the Gospel.’ Declare the first principles, and let mysteries alone, lest ye be overthrown. … Preach those things the Lord has told you to preach about—repentance and baptism for the remission of sins.” (History of the Church, 5:344)</p>
<p><em>There are those critics who think the missionaries should talk more about the mysteries of the Gospel.  They claim the LDS are “hiding” important points of theology.  How do you reconcile this, or is it better to simply ignore this criticism?<br />
</em></p>
<p>“I spoke and explained concerning the uselessness of preaching to the world about great judgments, but rather to preach the simple Gospel.” (History of the Church, 4:11)</p>
<p><em>Some people are attracted to apocalyptic preaching.  Is it wise to avoid this type of conversation, even if someone is interested in it?<br />
</em></p>
<p>“The Elders [should] go forth … in all meekness, in sobriety, and preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified; not to contend with others on account of their faith, or systems of religion, but pursue a steady course. This I delivered by way of commandment; and all who observe it not, will pull down persecution upon their heads, while those who do, shall always be filled with the Holy Ghost; this I pronounced as a prophecy.” (History of the Church, 2:431)</p>
<p><em>Is this a problem on the bloggernacle?  How many of us are guilty of not following Joseph&#8217;s advice?  How should we respond when others are specifically trying to pick a religious fight?  Does avoiding contentious arguments really “allay the prejudice of the people”?<br />
</em></p>
<p>“If there are any doors open for the Elders to preach the first principles of the gospel, let them not keep silence. Rail not against the sects; neither talk against their tenets. But preach Christ and him crucified, love to God, and love to man; … thereby, if possible, we may allay the prejudice of the people. Be meek and lowly of heart, and the Lord God of our fathers shall be with you forevermore.” (“The Book of John Whitmer,” p. 80, Community of Christ Archives)</p>
<p><em>Does it bother anyone that a correlated church manual is using a CoC Archives reference?  If this quote wasn’t in the manual, would it be ok to introduce such a quote in a lesson, or would that be considered teaching uncorrelated material and be out of bounds?  (In my ward, it certainly would be considered out of bounds.)</em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/01/rsph-28-missionary-service-a-holy-calling-a-glorious-work/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>5</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Virtual RS/PH Lesson #27:  Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy.</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/20/virtual-rsph-lesson-27-beware-the-bitter-fruits-of-apostasy/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/20/virtual-rsph-lesson-27-beware-the-bitter-fruits-of-apostasy/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[righteousness]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4231</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Since Hawkgrrrl does not offer Virtual RS/PH lessons anymore, I thought I&#8217;d try my hand at it this one time. My wife was preparing Lesson 27: Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy, and I couldn&#8217;t help but think that this was a perfect bloggernacle discussion. From the Manual &#8220;In the weeks before and after the completion of the Kirtland Temple in the spring of 1836, the Saints experienced a time of harmony and a rich outpouring of the gifts of the Spirit. But the Prophet Joseph Smith warned the Saints that if they did not continue to live righteously, their joy and unity would not last&#8230;..&#8221; &#8220;As that year wore on, a spirit of apostasy grew among some of the Saints in Kirtland. Some members became proud, greedy, and disobedient to the commandments. Some blamed Church leaders for economic problems caused by the failure of a Kirtland financial institution established by Church members. This failure occurred in 1837, the same year that a banking panic swept across the United States, compounding the Saints&#8217; economic problems. As many as two or three hundred members fell away from the Church in Kirtland, sometimes joining with those who opposed the Church to torment [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Hawkgrrrl does not offer <a title="Permanent Link to &quot;Virtual RS/PH #22:  Gaining Knowledge of Eternal Truths&quot;" href="../2008/12/07/virtual-rsph-22-gaining-knowledge-of-eternal-truths/">Virtual RS/PH</a> lessons anymore, I thought I&#8217;d try my hand at it this one time. My wife was preparing Lesson 27: Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy, and I couldn&#8217;t help but think that this was a perfect bloggernacle discussion.</p>
<p><strong><span id="more-4231"></span>From the Manual</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;In the weeks before and after the completion of the Kirtland Temple in the spring of 1836, the Saints experienced a time of harmony and a rich outpouring of the gifts of the Spirit. But the Prophet Joseph Smith warned the Saints that if they did not continue to live righteously, their joy and unity would not last&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;As that year wore on, a spirit of apostasy grew among some of the Saints in Kirtland. Some members became proud, greedy, and disobedient to the commandments. Some blamed Church leaders for economic problems caused by the failure of a Kirtland financial institution established by Church members. This failure occurred in 1837, the same year that a banking panic swept across the United States, compounding the Saints&#8217; economic problems. As many as two or three hundred members fell away from the Church in Kirtland, sometimes joining with those who opposed the Church to torment and even physically threaten the Saints. Some apostates openly claimed that the Prophet was fallen and tried to have other men put in his place.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Supplementary material.</strong></p>
<p>When Joseph Smith encouraged the saints to move to Kirtland, the city experienced a significant population increase, tripling from 1000 people to 3000 people between 1830 and 1836. Surrounding agricultural areas experienced similar increases in population. The population growth was at least partially responsible for a rapid increase in land prices between 1832 and 1837. Daniel H. <a title="Daniel H. Ludlow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_H._Ludlow">Ludlow, </a>in &#8220;<em>Church History, Selections From the Encyclopedia of Mormonism&#8221; </em>tells us &#8220;<em>The average price per acre of land sold in Kirtland rose from approximately $7 in 1832 to $44 in 1837, only to fall back to $17.50 in 1839.&#8221; </em>(p. 283)</p>
<p>Inflation for the period is estimated to be between 25% and 40%. Historian Larry T. Wimmer estimated that the LDS church held approximately $60,000 in real estate at this time. However, it also needed liquidity to repay outstanding loans. The credit needs of the church, growing population and ongoing land transactions required a local bank.</p>
<p>Apostles Orson Hyde and Oliver Cowdery made several attempts to gain a bank charter from the state of Ohio. All attempts were rejected. Smith attributed the failure to anti-Mormon bias. Ohio Legislator Grandison Newell was a professed antagonist of the church, and persuaded three other legislators to vote against the bank charter. However, this Ohio legislature was much more restrictive in issuing bank charters than the previous legislative body. The legislature refused all applications for bank charters (except one) during 1836 and 1837. They cited problems with land speculation, wildcat banking, and counterfeiting as reasons against bank charters.</p>
<p>The Mormons sought a way around this banking problem. With encouragement and advice of non-Mormon legal counsel, the <strong>Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Company</strong> (KSSABC) was formed as a quasi-bank. Quasi-banks were relatively common in Ohio, and the Whig party (which later gave way to the Republican Party), encouraged businesses to operate as quasi-banks. A Quasi-bank served many of the purposes of a regular bank.</p>
<p>The Kirtland quasi-bank failure was part of the <a title="Panic of 1837" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1837">Panic of 1837</a>. <em>&#8220;Out of eight hundred and fifty banks in the United States, three hundred and forty-three closed entirely, sixty-two failed partially, and the system of State banks received a shock from which it never fully recovered.&#8221;</em><sup> </sup>(see <a href="http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/The_Great_Republic_By_the_Master_Historians_Vol_III/thepanic_ce.html">http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/The_Great_Republic_By_the_Master_Historians_Vol_III/thepanic_ce.html</a>) The Panic was followed by a five-year depression. Banks continued to fail, and unemployment shot up throughout the United States. It sounds strikingly similar to our current economic situation.</p>
<p>Smith was blamed by many in and outside the church for the failure of the quasi-bank, and was accused of enriching LDS leadership. Yet, Smith took out a $1,225 loan from a separate bank in order to keep KSSABC solvent. Smith publicly denied claims that the quasi bank was created for the purpose of greed. Smith risked losing as much or perhaps more than anyone else due to bank&#8217;s failure.</p>
<p><strong>Apostasy within the Church</strong></p>
<p>Reflecting on the bank failure, LDS Apostle <a title="Heber C. Kimball" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heber_C._Kimball">Heber C. Kimball</a> later said that &#8220;there were not twenty persons on earth that would declare that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God.&#8221; Apostle Brigham Young, was one of the few vocal proponents of Smith. Young left Kirtland for Missouri to avoid the dissidents who were angry with Young and threatened him because of his persistent public defense of Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>Apostle William McClellin was one of the most notable church members who lost faith in church leadership. He was one of the original 12 Apostles, called in 1831, and was excommunicated in 1838, in large part due to this banking scandal mentioned in the manual. Following the collapse of the bank, McClellin declared that he had no confidence in the presidency of the church. These comments led to his excommunication for apostasy on May 11, 1838.</p>
<p>Subsequently, he actively worked against the LDS Church and its leaders. Some believe he may have participated in robbing Joseph Smith&#8217;s home and stable while Smith was being held in jail. (Joseph had been jailed on charges relating to the banking failure.) Recently, <a href="http://www.mormontimes.com/studies_doctrine/church_history/?id=6003">Mormon Times addressed a recently discovered notebook of William McClellin</a>.</p>
<p>McLellin never wavered in his support for the Book of Mormon. He experimented with some other Mormon offshoots, such as RLDS and Strangite branches. He unsuccessfully tried to persuade David Whitmer to lead a movement as well.</p>
<p><strong>Questions and Statements to Consider</strong></p>
<p>Armed with this background, what do you think of the following statement from the manual? &#8220;<strong>Losing confidence in Church leaders, criticizing them, and neglecting any duty required by God lead to apostasy. &#8220;</strong></p>
<p>Finally, What do you make of McLellin? Did Joseph put too much trust in him?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/20/virtual-rsph-lesson-27-beware-the-bitter-fruits-of-apostasy/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>13</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Revelation &amp; Things</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/11/revelation-things/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/11/revelation-things/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Asides]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Folklore]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ordinances]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prayer]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Priesthood]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sacrament]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spirituality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[symbols]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[divining rods]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[oliver cowdery]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[revelation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[rod of Aaron]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[seer stone]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[urim & thummim]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4220</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s post comes from The Teacher.  Section 8 of the Doctrine &#38; Covenants refers to &#8220;another gift&#8221; Olivery Cowdery had, called at different times &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; or &#8220;the rod of nature.&#8221;  Several commentators recognize this gift as related to Oliver&#8217;s use of a divining rod. If you interpret Oliver&#8217;s &#8220;gift of Aaron&#8221; in Section 8 as a divining rod, it makes for some interesting reading.  Oliver&#8217;s gift has told him many things (verse 6).  The gift only works for Oliver because of the power of God (verse 7).  If he has faith in his gift, he will use it to do marvelous things (verse 8).  Oliver&#8217;s gift is the work of God (id.). When I first learned of what &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; might be, my initial reaction was that it was, well, odd.  I mean, a divining rod?  I knew about Joseph Smith and folk magic, but I sort of put the idea aside.  Then, I read the heading for Section 11 which says, &#8220;This revelation was received through the Urim and Thummim in answer to Joseph&#8217;s supplication and inquiry.&#8221;  And I thought, &#8220;Whoa.&#8221;  Faithful Mormons accpet that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim and a seer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s post comes from <a href="http://gosepldoctrineunderground.blogspot.com/">The Teacher</a>.  <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/8">Section 8</a> of the Doctrine &amp; Covenants refers to &#8220;another gift&#8221; Olivery Cowdery had, called at different times &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; or &#8220;the rod of nature.&#8221;  Several commentators recognize this gift as related to Oliver&#8217;s use of a divining rod.<span id="more-4220"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.jwwells.com/rod.gif" alt="" />If you interpret Oliver&#8217;s &#8220;gift of Aaron&#8221; in Section 8 as a divining rod, it makes for some interesting reading.  Oliver&#8217;s gift has told him many things (verse 6).  The gift only works for Oliver because of the power of God (verse 7).  If he has faith in his gift, he will use it to do marvelous things (verse 8).  Oliver&#8217;s gift is the work of God (id.).</p>
<p>When I first learned of what &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; might be, my initial reaction was that it was, well, odd.  I mean, a divining rod?  I knew about Joseph Smith and folk magic, but I sort of put the idea aside.  Then, I read the heading for Section 11 which says, &#8220;This revelation was received through the Urim and Thummim in answer to Joseph&#8217;s supplication and inquiry.&#8221;  And I thought, &#8220;Whoa.&#8221; </p>
<p>Faithful Mormons accpet that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim and a seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon.  He used the Urim and Thummim to receive revelations that became scriptural passages of the Doctrine &amp; Covenants.  Is a divining rod any stranger than a Urim and Thummim?  At least I have seen a divining rod.  I have heard people talk about divining rods.  I have never seen a Urim and Thummim.  And that got me thinking about revelation.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.imagesoftherestoration.org/blog/wp-content/images/jstranslatingbom.jpg" alt="" width="140" height="67" />Divining rods and seer stones and interpreters are certainly outside our daily experience, and it is easy to think them odd.  But weren&#8217;t they just aids that Joseph (and perhaps Oliver) used for a while in seeking inspiration and revelation from God?  Don&#8217;t we all use tangible objects to help us believe and seek God&#8217;s guidance?</p>
<p>I have long thought that part of the power of ordinances is their tangibility.  You know precisely when you were immersed in water, and that meant something to you.  You know when hands are placed upon your head.  When you eat the bread and drink the water, it is a signal to your soul (the tangible and the intangible part) that you are seeking for God&#8217;s spirit.  When I think about it, I see lots of examples of tangibility as an aid to revelation and faith.</p>
<p>Easton, a commenter at Gospel Doctrine Underground, raised a couple of interesting ideas.  He referred to a talk by Dallin Oaks who said that reading the scriptures can be like a Urim and Thummim.  By that, Elder Oads meant that we can receive revelation through scripture study, not just on the topic we are reading about, but on any topic.  Easton also referred to a statement by Brigham Young that Joseph Smith had taught that everyone could and should have their own seer stone.  I don&#8217;t know if Joseph was speaking literally, but I think we all use tangible things to seek revelation.  The temple might be the ultimate example.  Among other things, don&#8217;t lots of people who really need revelation and guidance go to the temple because they believe being in a sacred place, a building, will help them find it?</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.salamandersociety.com/toptens/050101urim_thummim.jpg" alt="" />I guess it is natural to think that things outside our experience, like the Urim and Thummim and seer stones, are kind of strange.  But we have a wealth of tangibility that Joseph and Oliver did not have:  sacrament emblems blessed by the priesthood, the laying on of hands, celestial rooms.  All these things help us find inspiration and direction from God.  Maybe God just finds ways to work through the tools we have.</p>
<p>What do you think?  Can tangible things help us get revelation?  Do you have a &#8220;seer stone&#8221;?  What is it?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/11/revelation-things/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>9</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The Purposes of God Cannot Be Frustrated</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/10/the-purposes-of-god-cannot-be-frustrated/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/10/the-purposes-of-god-cannot-be-frustrated/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apologetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[apostasy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Asides]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[historicity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[polygamy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[repentance]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[righteousness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sexuality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Doctrine & Covenants]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Forgiveness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Gospel Doctrine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[imperfection]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[weakness]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4102</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The title is from DC3:1.  Today&#8217;s guest post is from Bouvet and is in reference to this year&#8217;s Doctrine &#38; Covenants manual, Lesson 4 is Remember the New Covenant, Even the Book of Mormon.  This year the lesson manual has abandoned the idea of following the development of the Church and the reception of the revelations through time and instead has moved to a topical format. My knee-jerk reaction is to attribute this to a desire to avoid tough topics in church history and make the teachers stick to some abstract doctrine or principal.   The lesson is supposed to be focused on the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. It covers DC 3 and 10 and a bunch of JS-H. While I did cover most of the scriptures included in the lesson I went a completely different direction with it. This was the exact lesson I needed at this moment of time.  But the real point of the lesson was the fact that the purposes of God cannot be frustrated by Joseph Smith&#8217;s boneheaded weaknesses. This is a major and significant lesson. Joseph was praying for forgiveness the night that Moroni came because he had become a lazy prankster who [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="content">The title is from DC3:1.  Today&#8217;s guest post is from Bouvet and is in reference to this year&#8217;s Doctrine &amp; Covenants manual, Lesson 4 is <span style="font-style: italic;">Remember the New Covenant, Even the Book of Mormon</span>.  <span id="more-4102"></span><br />
This year the lesson manual has abandoned the idea of following the development of the Church and the reception of the revelations through time and instead has moved to a topical format. My knee-jerk reaction is to attribute this to a desire to avoid tough topics in church history and make the teachers stick to some abstract doctrine or principal.   The lesson is supposed to be focused on the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. It covers DC 3 and 10 and a bunch of JS-H.</p>
<p>While I did cover most of the scriptures included in the lesson I went a completely different direction with it. This was the exact lesson I needed at this moment of time.  But the real point of the lesson was the fact that the purposes of God cannot be frustrated by Joseph Smith&#8217;s boneheaded weaknesses. This is a major and significant lesson.</p>
<p>Joseph was praying for forgiveness the night that Moroni came because he had become a lazy prankster who liked to dig for buried treasure. He knew he was not someone who would be expected to be a Prophet&#8211;there was nothing exceptional about him. He was not preparing himself very well for any great work.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. Moroni comes to see him.<br />
</em><br />
Then he meets Emma while employed digging for a long lost Spanish silver mine down by Harmony and instead of getting a real job and making himself respectable, he just dishonors Emma&#8217;s family and runs off with her to get married without blessing or permission. This was a selfish and impulsive act contrary to one of the 10 commandments. Can you imagine how he would be lauded in the Church today if he had stayed for a year working on a local farm proving himself to get Emma&#8217;s parents permission. But we largely ignore the elopement.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. He gets the plates.<br />
</em><br />
Then he gives the 116 pages to Martin after not taking no for an answer and a lifetime of Father Lehi&#8217;s work is gone in an instant. All Lehi&#8217;s blood sweat and tears put into his record are thrown down the drain because Joseph is a stubborn and disobedient sod.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. He got the plates back and finished the rest of the book and the Small Plates of Nephi cover the gap in the story (to a certain extent).<br />
</em><br />
The lesson covered the bringing forth of the Book of Mormon, but I taught the lesson of how Joseph kept failing during the process of bringing for the Book of Mormon (I only mentioned the elopement in passing) and how <em>that was OK because he repented and the work of God rolled forward</em>.</p>
<p>One cannot read Sections 3 and 10 honestly and think anything other than Joseph&#8217;s falling from his calling was not only possible but might have seemed at times likely. The doctrine of the Prophet not ever being able to lead the Church astray comes much latter. (It is found in the excerpted conference talks by Wilford Woodruff after the Manifesto in the PofGP.) In 1828 and the years following, it probably seemed likely to even Joseph that he would be rejected.</p>
<p>I also find it interesting that he is directly reproved in Section 3 verse 4 for his &#8220;carnal desires&#8221;. It is no surprise that later it is precisely his carnal desires leading to Fanny Alger and Marinda Knight and so many others that lead so many of the early Church leaders to conclude he was a fallen Prophet and leave his side.</p>
<p>I have a testimony that despite all Joseph&#8217;s weaknesses&#8211;including being too often a petty dictator and horny lustmonger&#8211;he was the Lord&#8217;s chosen. He made many mistakes, many serious mistakes. They ended up costing him his life. But his mistakes did not frustrate the purposes of God. The restoration happened, imperfectly, but it happened.</p>
<p>And so today the Church rolls forward. Imperfectly (very very imperfectly) but it rolls forward. Some cannot abide the imperfections. I don&#8217;t blame them. Sometimes I want to join them. Often even. <em>But no imperfections, not matter how ugly or pervasive, can stop the work of God entirely. </em>It is too hard for me to remember that truth.</p>
<p>I love Joseph Smith. I want to slap him upside the head for being so often a total idiot. But I love him just the same.</p>
<p>This is where I am at today anyway.</p></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/10/the-purposes-of-god-cannot-be-frustrated/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>20</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Oliver Cowdery Was Punk&#8217;d!</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/05/oliver-cowdery-was-punkd/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/05/oliver-cowdery-was-punkd/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Asides]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[doubt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prayer]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spirituality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testimony]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[thought]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[book of mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[oliver cowdery]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[study]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[translation]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=4097</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[When you hear the name Oliver Cowdery, you probably think of the story that culminates in the revelation that became Section 9 of the Doctrine &#38; Covenants. This section uses Oliver as a (bad) example of how to seek and receive personal revelation.  Today&#8217;s guest post is from The Teacher.  Come visit The Teacher here.   But, the poor guy. I can&#8217;t help but thinking that Oliver felt a bit like the rug was pulled out from under him. In sections 6 and 8, the Lord seems very encouraging of Oliver&#8217;s desires to help with the work and even to actually translate. &#8220;If you ask of me, you will receive; if you knock it shall be opened unto you&#8221; the Lord says. (6:5). &#8220;Even as you desire of me, so it shall be done unto you&#8221; the Lord says (6:8). &#8220;If thou wilt enquire, thou shalt know mysteries,&#8221; the Lord says. (6:8). Whatsoever you shall ask me . . ., that will I grant unto you,&#8221; the Lord says. (8:9). Then, the Lord gets very specific. He tells Oliver that if he asks to translate, by his faith &#8220;it shall be done unto [him.]&#8221; (8:11).How could Oliver not feel like [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;;"><span style="font-size: small;">When you hear the name Oliver Cowdery, you probably think of the story that culminates in the revelation that became<span style="color: #000000;"> </span></span><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/9"><span style="font-size: small; color: #000000;">Section 9</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: #000000;"> of </span>the Doctrine &amp; Covenants. This section uses Oliver as a (bad) example of how to seek and receive personal revelation.  Today&#8217;s guest post is from The Teacher.  Come visit The Teacher <a href="http://gosepldoctrineunderground.blogspot.com/">here</a>. <span id="more-4097"></span><br />
<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/teacher1.bmp"><img class="size-medium wp-image-4098 alignright" title="teacher1" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/teacher1.bmp" alt="" width="95" height="127" /></a></span></span>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;;"><span style="font-size: small;">But, the poor guy. I can&#8217;t help but thinking that Oliver felt a bit like the rug was pulled out from under him. In sections </span><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/6"><span style="font-size: small; color: #de7008;">6</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> and </span><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/8"><span style="font-size: small; color: #de7008;">8</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">, the Lord seems very encouraging of Oliver&#8217;s desires to help with the work and even to actually translate. &#8220;If you ask of me, you will receive; if you knock it shall be opened unto you&#8221; the Lord says. (6:5). &#8220;Even as you desire of me, so it shall be done unto you&#8221; the Lord says (6:8). &#8220;If thou wilt enquire, thou shalt know mysteries,&#8221; the Lord says. (6:8). Whatsoever you shall ask me . . ., that will I grant unto you,&#8221; the Lord says. (8:9). Then, the Lord gets very specific. He tells Oliver that if he asks to translate, by his faith &#8220;it shall be done unto [him.]&#8221; (8:11).<span style="font-size: small;">How could Oliver not feel like it was done deal? Oliver Cowdery was no slouch in the personal revelation department. He learned of the Prophet Joseph and the translation of the Book of Mormon while living with the Smith Family. He prayed for his own confirmation of the truth and saw the plates in a</p>
<p></span></span><a href="http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/people/oliver_cowdery.html"><span style="font-size: small; color: #de7008;">vision</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">, before he ever met Joseph. Clearly, he was a very faithful, believing person. Why else would he essentially abandon his life to go help a self-proclaimed prophet he’d never met translate the Book of Mormon?But we know the rest of the story. Oliver tries to translate, and fails. The Lord famously tells Oliver that he did not get it; it was not just going to be given to him. Oliver had to work for it. He needed to study it out and seek confirmation. (9:7-9). &#8220;Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it to you <em><span style="font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;;">when you took no thought save it was to ask me</span></em>.&#8221; (9:7).</p>
<p><span style="color: black; font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;;"><span style="font-size: small;">Huh? What is going on here? Despite my ironic title, I do not think God fooled Oliver Cowdery. God is by definition just and fair. But, I tell you this: I am not as faithful or diligent a person as Oliver Cowdery. If Sections 6 and 8 had been directed to me, I would have assumed that I was going to get what I wanted if I asked.</p>
<p></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: black; font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;;"> </p>
<p></span></span></p>
<p> 
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;;"><span style="font-size: small;">So, why did the Lord put Oliver in this situation?</span></span></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/05/oliver-cowdery-was-punkd/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>25</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>A Brand New Year</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/23/a-brand-new-year/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/23/a-brand-new-year/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bloggernacle]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[books]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[catholicism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christ]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cinema]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curiosity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[diversity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[education]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[families]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[general]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[God]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Happiness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Humor]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[international]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[introductions]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jesus]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[liberal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[love]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[media]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[media manipulation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[meetings]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[missionary]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[movies]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[music]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[obedience]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[podcast]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[race]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spirituality]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tesimony]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3933</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The onset of 2009 brings an opportunity for young people of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to renew their commitment to their faith while participating in a program of instruction, song and dance that reviews the activities of 2008. The program also introduces their theme as Mormon youth for the new year: “Be thou an example of the believers” (1 Timothy 4:12) Wow I had never seen such a sleek production done by the church some blogs have compared it too watching High School Musical. See you tube video here (please click high quality when you watch it). Its a whole new media style and attitude I have never seen in our church. Click here to see the News Press.Click here to Brand New Year Website &#8211; I found the videos pretty up beat and interesting. My English daughter who is out of young women&#8217;s found it cheesy-she thinks most American things are.  My wife thought it was a little too manufactured and OTT but she is English to. What do you think? Have any of the youth in your wards seen in it live or watched it ? Did they enjoy it or not?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="center;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/a-brand-new-year.bmp"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3934" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/a-brand-new-year.bmp" alt="" width="294" height="219" /></a><span id="more-3933"></span></p>
<p><!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;  Normal 0   &lt;![endif]--></p>
<p>The onset of 2009             brings an opportunity for young people of The Church of             Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to renew their commitment             to their faith while participating in a program of             instruction, song and dance that reviews the activities of             2008. The program also introduces their theme as Mormon             youth for the new year: “Be thou an example of the             believers” (1 Timothy 4:12)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal">Wow I had never seen such a sleek production done by the church some blogs have compared it too watching High School Musical. See you tube video <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbblj8hbKM&amp;feature=related">here</a> (please click high quality when you watch it).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Its a whole new media style and attitude I have never seen in our church.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Click <a href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/latter-day-saint-youth-celebrate-a-brand-new-year">here</a> to see the News Press.Click <a href="http://abrandnewyear.lds.org/index.html">here</a> to Brand New Year Website &#8211; I found the videos pretty up beat and interesting. My English daughter who is out of young women&#8217;s found it cheesy-she thinks most American things are.  My wife thought it was a little too manufactured and OTT but she is English to.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What do you think?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Have any of the youth in your wards seen in it live or watched it ?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Did they enjoy it or not?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://abrandnewyear.lds.org/index.html"><br />
</a>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2009/01/23/a-brand-new-year/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>29</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>What is Good Church Leadership?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/28/rsph-24-leading-in-the-lords-way/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/28/rsph-24-leading-in-the-lords-way/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Charity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[faith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[General Authorities]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[LDS]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[love]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mormon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[questioning]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spiritual progression]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[leadership]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Priesthood]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[relief society]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3402</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[What is good leadership?  How did Joseph Smith envision church leadership?  How does that differ from the church today and how is it the same?  Today&#8217;s lesson is from the Joseph Smith manual #24, Leading in the Lord&#8217;s Way. Once again, Joe Spencer provides an excellent recap of the lesson here.  He specifically makes a great point that the correlators of the lesson manual seem to fundamentally misunderstand Joseph&#8217;s point about governing ourselves.  To quote Joe regarding the section entitled  Leaders teach correct principles and help those they lead learn to govern themselves: &#8220;I think it important to point out how the title of this first section completely misunderstands and so ultimately misrepresents Joseph’s teachings within the section. Joseph indeed teaches that leaders teach correct principles, but he does not teach that leaders also help those they lead learn to govern themselves.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure the mistake was well-intentioned, but it does cut to the heart of what many members find irritating in the church today, the administrative or corporate quality that the church has developed.  We have sacrificed leading for managing in some cases. One wonders what Joseph Smith would say if he time traveled to a modern ward.  He might not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is good leadership?  How did Joseph Smith envision church leadership?  How does that differ from the church today and how is it the same?  Today&#8217;s lesson is from the Joseph Smith manual <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=45f720596a845110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&amp;contentLocale=0">#24</a>, Leading in the Lord&#8217;s Way.<span id="more-3402"></span></p>
<p>Once again, Joe Spencer provides an excellent recap of the lesson <a href="http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/12/10/rsmp-lesson-24-leading-in-the-lords-way-joseph-smith-manual/#comment-27394">here</a>.  He specifically makes a great point that the correlators of the lesson manual seem to fundamentally misunderstand Joseph&#8217;s point about governing ourselves.  To quote Joe regarding the section entitled  <strong>Leaders teach correct principles and help those they lead learn to govern themselves:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I think it important to point out how the title of this first section completely misunderstands and so ultimately misrepresents Joseph’s teachings within the section. Joseph indeed teaches that leaders teach correct principles, but he <em>does not</em> teach that leaders also <em>help those they lead learn</em> to govern themselves.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the mistake was well-intentioned, but it does cut to the heart of what many members find irritating in the church today, the administrative or corporate quality that the church has developed.  We have sacrificed leading for managing in some cases.</p>
<p>One wonders what Joseph Smith would say if he time traveled to a modern ward.  He might not fit local leadership&#8217;s perceptions of what would qualify him for some callings.  After all, he was only ever a member of the church for 14 years (before his death).  He might be considered a relative newcomer with little experience in some circles within the church.  He died young enough that many wards would not consider him old enough to be a High Priest.</p>
<p>What are the qualities of leadership, according to Joseph? Here are the ones mentioned in the lesson:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Leaders teach correct principles</strong>.  &#8221;I told him I obtained power on the principles of truth and virtue, which would last when I was dead and gone.&#8221;  (1844)  <span style="color: #0000ff;">How does teaching incorrect principles result in loss of power?  Do those incorrect principles die when the teacher is dead and gone?</span></li>
<li><strong>Those they lead govern themselves</strong>.  JS:  &#8220;I teach them correct principles, and they govern themselves.&#8221;  (quoted by John Taylor in 1851)  &#8220;I do not govern them at all. The Lord has revealed certain principles from the heavens by which we are to live in these latter days . . . and the principles which He has revealed I have taught to the people and they are trying to live according to them, and they control themselves.&#8221;  (quoted by Brigham Young in 1870).  <span style="color: #0000ff;">How does this differ from managing and being the decision maker for others in our stewardship?  What are the pitfalls of this kind of free-for-all leadership style? </span></li>
<li><strong>Leaders receive the wisdom they need from the Spirit</strong>.  &#8220;A man of God should be endowed with wisdom, knowledge, and understanding, in order to teach and lead the people of God.&#8221; (1843)  <span style="color: #0000ff;">How does a foolish leader differ from a wise one?  Are leaders always teachers first and foremost in the church? </span> &#8220;There are many things of much importance, on which you ask counsel, but which I think you will be perfectly able to decide upon, as you are more conversant with the peculiar circumstances than I am; and I feel great confidence in your united wisdom.&#8221;  (1840)  <span style="color: #0000ff;">JS routinely deferred all decisions to the lowest level possible.  The recent statement by TSM similarly referred members to go to local leadership rather than writing to church HQ for every matter.  Why is this good counsel?  Are there exceptions?</span></li>
<li><strong>Leaders acknowledge the Lord&#8217;s blessings to them</strong>.  <span style="color: #0000ff;">Weird.  There isn&#8217;t really a matching quote for this in the lesson, but the lesson quotes do talk about the need to pray for our leaders.</span></li>
<li><strong>Leaders in the Lord&#8217;s kingdom love those they serve</strong>.  &#8220;I possess the principle of love. All I can offer the world is a good heart and a good hand&#8221; (1843)</li>
<li><strong>Leaders teach through their love and example. </strong> <span style="color: #0000ff;">The example given here is Zion&#8217;s Camp, which always seems like a really bad camping trip gone awry that is then parlayed into a &#8220;character-building&#8221; lesson.</span></li>
</ol>
<p>How do you think we generally stack up as a church today, from the lowest levels of leadership to the highest?  Are there some of these that are more of a watch-out for us than others?  Are there some that tend to be harder at different levels than others?  Are there other principles of leadership that should be mentioned here but aren&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/28/rsph-24-leading-in-the-lords-way/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>24</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Temple ceremony, the stabilizer for mystical enthusiasm</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/24/temple-ceremony-the-stabilizer-for-mystical-enthusiasm/</link>
		<comments>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/24/temple-ceremony-the-stabilizer-for-mystical-enthusiasm/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian Johnston</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joseph]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[temple]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Smith]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mormon History]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mysticism]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://mormonmatters.org/?p=3607</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been thinking lately about the differences between the LDS Church we participate in today compared to what attracted and retained early members in the days of Joseph Smith.  Joseph Smith was a religious mystic, recognized as a founding &#8220;prophet&#8221; of our modern church.  The core of the story of Joseph and the restoration is a number of intense, other-worldly, divine encounters.  He seemed to be ever concerned with bringing the Church into the presence of God.  This took a worldly form in the cause of gathering to Zion, a utopian society perhaps like the City of Enoch.  It also took the form of promoting the expression of visions, dreams, speaking in tongues, and prophecies. His early prototypes of the temple practice we know today started in Kirtland, where they were much different.  Participants would fast for a day or two, attend to ritual washings and annointings to symbolically cleanse and purify themselves, and then participate in intense prayers, blessings, and expressions of spiritual gifts.  The goal was to have a transcendent vision of the divine.  It seemed that Joseph wanted many people to tap into what he was experiencing.  People who participated described him trying to get it all [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">I&#8217;ve been thinking lately about the differences between the LDS Church we participate in today compared to what attracted and retained early members in the days of Joseph Smith.  Joseph Smith was a religious mystic, recognized as a founding &#8220;prophet&#8221; of our modern church.  The core of the story of Joseph and the restoration is a number of intense, other-worldly, divine encounters.  He seemed to be ever concerned with bringing the Church into the presence of God.  This took a worldly form in the cause of gathering to Zion, a utopian society perhaps like the City of Enoch.  It also took the form of promoting the expression of visions, dreams, speaking in tongues, and prophecies.<span id="more-3607"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">His early prototypes of the temple practice we know today started in Kirtland, where they were much different.  Participants would fast for a day or two, attend to ritual washings and annointings to symbolically cleanse and purify themselves, and then participate in intense prayers, blessings, and expressions of spiritual gifts.  The goal was to have a transcendent vision of the divine.  It seemed that Joseph wanted many people to tap into what he was experiencing.  People who participated described him trying to get it all just write, to set groups participating in proper order, kind of feeling his way through to getting people into that mystical state.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I recently ran across this paragraph that made such a good summary:</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">Endowment, Joseph’s name for the temple ceremony, connected it to promises made long before his encounter with Freemasonry.<span> </span>In early revelations, the word “endowment” referred to seeing God, a bequest of Pentecostal spiritual light.<span> </span>The use of the word “endowment” in Nauvoo implied that the goal of coming into God’s presence would be realized now through ritual rather than a transcendent vision.<span> </span>This transition gave Mormonism’s search for direct access to God an enduring form.<span> </span>David Hume, the eighteenth-century empiricist and critic of “enthusiastic” religion, had observed that outbursts of visions and revelations soon sputtered out.<span> </span>They lacked form to keep them alive.<span> </span>They could not endure because they had “no rites, no ceremonies, no holy observances, which may enter into the common train of life, and preserve the sacred principles from oblivion.”<span> </span>To remain in force, “enthusiasm” had to be embodied in holy practice.<span> </span>Ann Taves, a modern scholar of religion, has added that “direct inspiration survives only when it is supported by a sacred mythos embedded in sacred practices.”<span> </span>The Mormon temple’s sacred story stabilized and perpetuated the original enthusiastic endowment.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-Richard Bushman, “Rough Stone Rolling“ pg 450-451</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">The temple became a focal point, a place to seek a connection to the divine.  Sure, it is plain that God does not need a temple to communicate with humankind.  Some of the greatest interactions with God recorded in scripture happened in wilderness settings &#8212; no temple or building was required.  But how would one stabilize this experience for a large, growing religion; one that could endure past the life of the mystic founder?  Members of the LDS Church today often go to the temple when they have a pressing personal need to connect with the divine, when they seek answers or feel they need spiritual help and guidance.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Would we be the same church if our method was to fast and hermitage in a cave, or travel out in the wilderness?  Perhaps it is possible, but the temple provides a place of focus for a growing and diverse community within the Church.  It is still a place we see as a source for the transcendent mystical experience.  Participants can experience the ritual and ceremony on many levels, with different views about the purpose depending on their own place of faith.  It can be literal to one person.  It can be symbolic to another.  It can be both and none.  Indeed it has endured past Joseph, the original mystic of our foundation, even if our experience today is not exactly the same as back in the time of Nauvoo or Kirtland.  It serves the same purpose over time.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal">
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/24/temple-ceremony-the-stabilizer-for-mystical-enthusiasm/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>7</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

