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		<title>Unsolved Puzzle</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years ago I wondered what it means to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I wondered: is it ok if my testimony dwells down to, &#8220;I really don&#8217;t believe in all of this spiritual stuff, but from an organizational perspective, I believe that the church is great at moving and shaking&#8230;and it has moved and shaken me to be a better person&#8221;? I concluded that was not ok. A religion isn&#8217;t just a collection of practical life advice and a church isn&#8217;t just the hub to receive and practice such advice. It is a community of faith, belief, and hope. (And when one is differently directed in the latter aspects, the organizational stuff will often wreak havoc as well.) I realized that if I didn&#8217;t have those latter things (I don&#8217;t), then it wouldn&#8217;t make sense to do certain other things (e.g., keep pretending to have these things in order to &#8220;progress&#8221; in the priesthood, go on a mission, speak out publicly on behalf of the church, or, perhaps, even go to church.) &#8230;Yet, I guess you&#8217;d call me one of those guys who leaves the church but can&#8217;t leave it alone. [...]]]></description>
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<div class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 190px"><a href="http://www.jibble.org/impossible-sudoku/UNSOLVABLE-1.png"><img src="http://www.jibble.org/impossible-sudoku/UNSOLVABLE-1.png" alt="impossible sudoku" width="180" height="180" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Can you solve this?</p></div>
<p>A few years ago I wondered what it means to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.</p>
<p>I wondered: is it ok if my testimony dwells down to, &#8220;I really don&#8217;t believe in all of this spiritual stuff, but from an organizational perspective, I believe that the church is great at moving and shaking&#8230;and <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/i-dont-want-my-money-back/">it has moved and shaken <em>me</em></a> to be a better person&#8221;?</p>
<p>I concluded that was not ok. A religion isn&#8217;t just a collection of practical life advice and a church isn&#8217;t just the hub to receive and practice such advice. It is a community of <em>faith</em>, <em>belief,</em> and <em>hope</em>. (And when one is differently directed in the latter aspects, the organizational stuff will often wreak havoc as well.)</p>
<p>I realized that if I didn&#8217;t have those latter things (I don&#8217;t), then it wouldn&#8217;t make sense to do certain other things (e.g., keep pretending to have these things in order to &#8220;progress&#8221; in the priesthood, go on a mission, speak out publicly on behalf of the church, or, perhaps, even go to church.)</p>
<p>&#8230;Yet, I guess you&#8217;d call me one of those guys who leaves the church but can&#8217;t leave it alone.</p>
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<p>You see, there are several unsolved puzzles that I feel I just can&#8217;t drop.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t drop that the vast majority of the human race has no idea about what I&#8217;m talking, and that I have no idea about what the vast majority of the human race is talking. I can&#8217;t ignore that there is a deep difference between most of you and me.</p>
<p>For me, speaking about God is an academic thing. It is like analyzing a piece of fiction. Sometimes, I&#8217;m bored with the novel. I don&#8217;t get the poetry. Sometimes, it&#8217;s kinda neat and inspiring, and I like the special effects from the movie or the play.</p>
<p>But at the end of the day, it feels like we are talking about an artificiality distinct and separate from reality. That&#8217;s how it feels like to me.</p>
<p>Praying is even worse. It&#8217;s like when you send an email to a bad address, but unlike email, <em>I don&#8217;t get a bounceback email</em>. So I have to wonder if there was a destination, if it even reached, if the return mail is coming back, if there <em>is</em> any return mail. It&#8217;s not a totally productive use of time.</p>
<p>But&#8230;that&#8217;s not how it feels like to most other people, is it? For most other people, the reason they talk about God (even if they differ on who or what God is, what is his [or her {or its}] number, gender, or personality) is because God is real to them. In fact, God is <a href="http://youngstranger.blogspot.com/2010/01/my-testimony-of-christ.html">more real than the physical world you and I live and breathe and move in</a>. It may not be as extreme as that, but somehow, I don&#8217;t believe most people are &#8220;playing&#8221; religion.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t get that. Not even in the slightest.</p>
<p>I know some atheists wave this off and wave this away, but whether out of charity and respect or out of sheer necessity, I cannot. This doesn&#8217;t mean I believe in these stories and experiences any more, but that this is one puzzle that is wanting of a solution.</p>
<p>In a way, the reason I am involved in the Mormon community (in the tenuous, <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/01/the-bloggernacle-wont-save-you/">will-not-save-me</a> <a href="http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1208#comment-91101">I&#8217;m-cheating-myself-by-using-it-as-a-ward-substitute</a> online bloggernacle way) is because Mormonism continues to be so unfamiliar to me, even though it is really familiar to me.</p>
<p>The forty-sixth section of the Doctrine and Covenants (let us call it <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/02/dc-section-names/">The People</a>) elaborates a lot about spiritual gifts. Most times, people only mention <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/46/11-14#11">a couple</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>11  For all have not every gift given unto them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the Spirit of God.</p>
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<div>12  To some is given one, and to some is given another, that all may be profited thereby.</div>
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<div>13  To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the  Son of God, and that he was crucified for the sins of the world.</div>
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<div>14  To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful.</div>
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<p>I think it is helpful to point out that certain things like <em>belief</em> itself may be <em>gifts</em>, instead of things that we can secure for ourselves or just &#8220;choose&#8221; to have if we just try harder. But these aren&#8217;t the only gifts possible, and the two gifts discussed in verses 13 and 14 are not a binary (i.e., if you don&#8217;t have knowledge, then it isn&#8217;t necessarily true that you will be able to believe on the words of others).</p>
<p>So what about those for whom it all just doesn&#8217;t make sense, doesn&#8217;t appeal, doesn&#8217;t seem real? Might we not also have eternal life&#8230;or is it all predicated on continuing faithfully? And then, what is continuing faithful? Is it going to church, even if one answers all the questions about belief in the negative, following commandments with which one may or may not agree, being alienated and alone, or perhaps even being excommunicated but still with stellar activity?</p>
<p>The earlier part of the section addresses a little on how church services and meetings should be held. This also has something interesting.</p>
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<div>5  And again I say unto you, ye shall not cast any out of your sacrament  meetings who are earnestly seeking the kingdom—I speak this concerning  those who are not of the church.</div>
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<div>6  And again I say unto you, concerning your confirmation meetings, that if  there be any that are not of the church, that are earnestly seeking  after the kingdom, ye shall not cast them out.</div>
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<p>Again, what does it mean to <em>earnestly seek the kingdom</em>?</p>
<p>I have no idea, but I need to get back to this puzzle I&#8217;ve been working on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Book of Mormon Geophysics</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When most people use their rational faculties to test their testimonies about their religious scriptures, they tend to concentrate on things like history, archeology, or textual development. A number of writers on this site and elsewhere in the bloggernacle have far more expertise in those areas than do I. So I have to take their arguments second-hand. Instead, I like to test my scriptural canon in the disciplines where I have my own professional training in college or experience on interdisciplinary teams later in life. So rather than argue about Mesoamerican artifacts, I like to look instead at Mesoamerican volcanoes. I suspect that most people who read about the disaster that befell the Nephites and Lamanites at the time of the crucifixion (~30 CE) recognize that most of the effects described are symptoms of major volcanic eruptions. Earthquakes and volcanoes go together. Volcanoes will always produce earthquakes, and earthquakes can often trigger volcanic eruptions. Choking ash clouds in which no light will penetrate; landslides, mudflows, or pyroclastic flows that bury towns, fill stream beds with debris, change drainage patterns, and push mighty winds ahead of them; continuous lightening and thunder from friction within the eruptive clouds; volcanic bombs to set [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When most people use their rational faculties to test their testimonies about their religious scriptures, they tend to concentrate on things like history, archeology, or textual development. A number of writers on this site and elsewhere in the bloggernacle have far more expertise in those areas than do I. So I have to take their arguments second-hand.</p>
<p>Instead, I like to test my scriptural canon in the disciplines where I have my own professional training in college or experience on interdisciplinary teams later in life. So rather than argue about Mesoamerican artifacts, I like to look instead at Mesoamerican volcanoes.</p>
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<p>I suspect that most people who read about the disaster that befell the Nephites and Lamanites at the time of the crucifixion (~30 CE) recognize that most of the effects described are symptoms of major volcanic eruptions. Earthquakes and volcanoes go together. Volcanoes will always produce earthquakes, and earthquakes can often trigger volcanic eruptions. Choking ash clouds in which no light will penetrate; landslides, mudflows, or pyroclastic flows that bury towns, fill stream beds with debris, change drainage patterns, and push mighty winds ahead of them; continuous lightening and thunder from friction within the eruptive clouds; volcanic bombs to set buildings on fire – they all come with volcanic eruptions. The earthquakes have their own effects: fissures, scarps, liquefaction of delta sediments, and/or fluctuations in underground water tables.</p>
<p>But the eruption depicted in the Book of Mormon is not the eruption of a single volcano. Oh, there can be single volcanic eruptions big enough to devastate the geographic areas of the Book of Mormon (measured by distances that could be covered in journeys described in the Book itself). A volcano in New Zealand 26,500 years ago erupted the equivalent of over 500 cubic miles of magma and buried islands 600 miles away in a seven-inch deep layer of ash. However, the types of destruction that befell various cities in the Book of Mormon account further constrain the event (i.e., mudflows or pyroclastic flows don’t travel 600 miles even if ash clouds do). The Book contains geographic clues about the cities’ <em>relative</em> locations to each other that suggests they were near, or at most a few tens of miles downstream from, the volcano that destroyed them. That points to multiple simultaneous eruptions.</p>
<p>John L. Sorenson, in his book <em>An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon,</em> spends a good portion of his discussion of “The Great Catastrophe” (pages 318-323) focusing on volcanism in the Valley of Mexico near modern Mexico City. This may have some value in establishing the plausibility of volcanism at the time of Christ to a casual reader, since many LDS at the time his book was produced still held to a hemispherical geographical model or one centered on the Great Lakes or Central United States.</p>
<p>However, volcanism near Mexico City is simply too far west, even in his own proposed locations for various Nephite and Lamanite cities, to do the trick. This is especially so since he places Bountiful, which survived, in a location near the Gulf Coast <em>between</em> Mexico City and Moroni, which sank into the sea. So this was one of the things that made me wary of his model, along with <a href="http://thefirestillburning.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/sorenson-dna-and-book-of-mormon-directions/"> his interpretation of directions.</a> (The relevance of Valley of Mexico eruptions is even more problematic if you use modern directional systems for east and west, because that places Moroni no closer to Mexico City than is southeastern Guatemala.)</p>
<p>In 1982, El Chichon erupted in the Chiapan Highlands where Sorenson’s model had placed the Nephite lands. El Chichon had not previously been recognized as an active volcano, but this eruption was roughly on the scale of the Mt. St. Helens blast two years earlier. As described in Wikipedia, El Chichon killed 2000 people, and produced major ash clouds, pyroclastic flows and surges. It left a kilometer-wide caldera that rapidly filled with an acidic lake. Happening so closely after St. Helens (though totally unrelated), geologists flocked to study volcanic structures in the region, especially when they realized that the eruption happened unexpectedly far inland.</p>
<p>The west coast of the Americas is known to be overriding oceanic crust and mantle as the surface of the earth is slowly dragged around by convective heat and mass transfer within the earth’s interior.  These motions, which have been underway for tens of millions of years, produce the earthquakes and volcanism that characterize and drive the mountain building that we observe from Alaska to the tip of South America.  But the regional angles of collision and the presence of submarine features as scars left from past convection can produce vast differences in individual mountain ranges.</p>
<p>As shown in a 2005 paper by staff of the Cal Tech Seismological Laboratory (a pdf version of the paper is <a href="http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~raman/papers2/Manea_Chiapas_2005.pdf"> here for those interested).</a> the Modern Chiapanecan Volcanic Arc (MCVA), of which El Chichon is the most northern and active volcano, can be explained by a NW-SE heating gradient induced by the resistance of such a submarine feature (The Tehuantepec Ridge) to being forced below Central America.</p>
<p>To the northwest of the ridge, the ocean crust was buoyed up and passed below the continent at a shallow angle. To the southeast of the ridge, the ancient coastal volcanoes were gradually extinguished by the relatively low temperature of the adjacent slab on the other side of the ridge. The extinction has now reached almost to the volcano Tacana on the border between Mexico and Guatemala.</p>
<p>In place of the coastal volcanoes, the MCVA developed as the ocean floor was forced deeper into the earth (and farther inland under the continent) before melting of the oceanic slab could occur. Furthermore, the buoyant oceanic slab to the northwest of the ridge also took longer to heat up and melt, moving volcanism inland to the Mexico   City area as well.</p>
<p>Directly over the landward extension of the submarine ridge lies one additional feature that the Cal Tech team does not try to explain in detail. This isolated Tuxtlas Volcanic Field, of which the San Martin volcano is the largest peak, may be a “leak” to the surface somehow related to the ridge itself. Interestingly, it is this area that the Sorenson model identifies as the area of the Nephite’s final stand.</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Mesoamerica-Volcanoes.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-12569" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Mesoamerica-Volcanoes-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>The approximate locations of these three volcanoes &#8212; San Martin, El Chichon, and Tacana &#8212; are sketched in the thumbnail. They are the volcanoes with the most “punch” in the area of the Sorenson model, and together – <strong>but not separately</strong> &#8212; they could produce the appropriate regional types of destruction noted in the catastrophe, with significant damage in the land southward from Zarahemla, to the &#8220;eastern&#8221; (Gulf Coast) lands, and into the land northward from Zarahemla.</p>
<p>This is not trivial in evaluating a geographic model of the Book of Mormon. You won’t find evidence of 2000 year old volcanic eruptions in the Mississippi River  basin or in upstate New   York. You can’t even find the right volcanic evidence in Mesoamerican models that match the Book of Mormon’s Sidon with the Usumacinta  River instead of the Grijalva.</p>
<p>So we ought to ask how much of the time these volcanoes could have erupted “simultaneously”, and when those times were. We can never hope to know whether such eruptions began “within the space of three hours” of each other. What we can hope to detect is the radio-carbon ages of organic matter destroyed at the very beginning of the eruptions, when the pyroclastic materials or tephra first reach them. And the uncertainty in such dates for the times of interest here will normally be measured in decades.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://volcano.si.edu/"> Smithsonian Global Volcanism Program</a> tabulates reports on eruption histories of volcanoes worldwide. They have data on timing and size of eruptions for all three of the above volcanoes that permits identification of whether the three <em>could</em> have produced large eruptions simultaneously as far back as 6585 BCE. In that 8600 year record, there are possible overlaps only about 3% of the time, in two separate eras. In short, it’s a test that is too imprecise to provide <em>positive</em> evidence, but a test that is remarkably easy to fail.</p>
<p>The first possible simultaneous eruption lies between 1230 BCE and 1190 BCE.</p>
<p>The second possible simultaneous eruption lies between 30 BCE and 170 CE.</p>
<p>A remarkably easy geophysical test for the Sorenson Mesoamerican model to fail gets passed.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our controversial guest post today is from Rock Waterman.  Check out the original unabridged post at his blog, Pure Mormonism, so titled from his observation that the organic religion founded by Joseph Smith was nondogmatic and libertarian. A couple of weeks ago Jeff Riggenbach sent me his latest book, Why American History Is Not What They Say: An Introduction To Revisionism. I’ve had a passion for revisionist history for as long as I can remember, but something I read in Riggenbach’s informative volume caught me up short. It was an essential factor that I had never known or considered before, and which just so happens to have direct application to why the historical record about Joseph Smith and Polygamy is so confusing and contradictory. While doing the research for her biography of Joseph Smith back in the 1940&#8242;s, Fawn Brodie wrote to a friend that “the more I work with the polygamy material, the more baffled I become.” She has not been alone. Every biographer since has struggled with the dichotomy of what Joseph Smith asserted and what the historical record appears to show. I think Jeff Riggenbach may have uncovered the explanation for us. Correcting The Past If the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Rock-e1280696569269.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-12351 alignleft" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Rock" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Rock-e1280696569269.jpg" alt="" width="70" height="90" /></a>Our controversial guest post today is from Rock Waterman.  Check out the original unabridged post at his blog, <a href="http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-mormon-history-is-not-what-they-say.html">Pure Mormonism</a>, so titled from his observation that the organic religion founded by Joseph Smith was nondogmatic and libertarian.</em></p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago <a href="http://mises.org/articles.aspx?AuthorId=1218">Jeff Riggenbach</a> sent me his latest book, <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00275PS2Q/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1280584038&amp;sr=1-1&amp;condition=new">Why American History Is Not What They Say: An Introduction To Revisionism.</a></em> I’ve had a passion for revisionist history for as long as I can remember, but something I read in Riggenbach’s informative volume caught me up short. It was an essential factor that I had never known or considered before, and which just so happens to have direct application to why the historical record about Joseph Smith and Polygamy is so confusing and contradictory.</p>
<p>While doing the research for her biography of Joseph Smith back in the 1940&#8242;s, Fawn Brodie wrote to a friend that “the more I work with the polygamy material, the more baffled I become.” She has not been alone. Every biographer since has struggled with the dichotomy of what Joseph Smith asserted and what the historical record appears to show.</p>
<p>I think Jeff Riggenbach may have uncovered the explanation for us.<span id="more-12345"></span></p>
<h3><strong>Correcting The Past</strong></h3>
<p>If the study of history can be defined as &#8220;the science of discovering what happened,&#8221; then revisionism is the forensic science of methodically re-sifting through the evidence of the past to get at the truth of what <em>really</em> happened. According to Joseph R. Stromberg, “revisionism refers to any efforts to revise a faulty existing historical record or interpretation.”</p>
<p>Harry Elmer Barnes, the father of modern revisionist history, describes revisionism as “the effort to revise the historical record in the light of a more complete collection of historical facts, a more calm political atmosphere, and a more objective attitude.” As Riggenbach himself succinctly puts it, “We need to revise the historical record when we have new facts.”</p>
<p>What surprised me about Riggenbach’s book &#8212; and which is directly applicable to our discussion here &#8212; is his revelation that until quite recently there was no such thing as “history” as we usually think of it; that is, the kind of history that could actually be relied upon:</p>
<blockquote><p>“It was the tail end of the 19th century before the calling of the historian had been professionalized and academicized to such an extent that a majority of practitioners in the field had come to hold the view of their discipline that we now take for granted -the historian as dispassionate seeker of truth, a scholar, much more like an anthropologist&#8230;Still, there were holdouts.” (Pg 27)</p></blockquote>
<p>One “holdout” in the arena of Mormon historians may have been Joseph Fielding Smith, whose book <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/essentialsinchur00smitrich">Essentials in Church History</a> was a book all missionaries were armed with in my day, and which turns out to have been of no more real use to the student of Mormon history than the <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report">9/11 Commission Report</a> </em>is today for the person desiring to find out the complete truth about that particular event.  I relied upon Elder Smith’s book during my mission when I gave a presentation to a class of high school seniors in Milan, Missouri where I used it to refute “anti-Mormon lies” about Mormon complicity in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Elder Smith (an apostle at the time he wrote it) placed the blame for the massacre squarely on the local Indians and John D. Lee, who he painted as a renegade Mormon with only a tenuous connection to the church. At any rate, he strongly implied, the members of the Fancher party were asking for it and had it coming.  Even today I feel like a dupe and a fool when I remember how vehemently I defended the official church position against what was the real truth of that sordid affair.</p>
<p>But to give him his due, Joseph Fielding Smith was little different than any other compiler of American history a hundred years ago, including the most famous and reputable of all, George Bancroft, whose ten volume <em>History of the United States</em>, published in 1874, remained the unchallenged standard work for decades. But even Bancroft’s classic <em>History</em> was far from objective:</p>
<p>“Bancroft believed that his job was to write a chronicle that would make his readers proud of their country’s history, and when it suited his didactic purpose, he fabricated.” (<em>Why American History Is Not What They </em>Say, Pg 27)</p>
<p>It was not only Bancroft who was making up history to suit his agenda; Riggenbach demonstrates how this &#8220;style&#8221; was common among virtually all historians of the time. He shows how &#8220;most of them saw themselves in particular as the providers of an important kind of inspirational literature.&#8221; Facts were elastic. This practice of bending reality to fit the lesson plan was rampant in the 19th century. It was systemic. And it was considered normal. One can easily see the parallels between writers wishing to portray actions of the American government favorably, and those within the LDS church tasked with portraying Mormon history in the most positive light. According to Riggenbach:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The American history taught in most schools during the past hundred years faithfully reflected received opinion, and received opinion sees the United States as a consistent, devoted partisan of the same spirit of individual liberty that once moved its founders -a peace-loving nation that wishes the rest of the world only the best, and never goes to war except in self-defense.”</p>
<p>“Apply this set of principles to what we know of the past and, at the end of the day, you’ll wind up with quite a pile of facts that didn’t meet the criteria and now litter the cutting room floor.”</p>
<p>“The facts about the gross violations of individual liberty that have been championed by U.S. presidents almost since the beginning, for example -John Adams’s Sedition Acts, Andrew Jackson’s genocidal treatment of the American Indians, Abraham Lincoln’s military conscription (to say nothing of his suspension of habeas corpus and his imprisonment of newspaper editors who dared to disagree with his prosecution of the Civil War), William McKinley’s brutal suppression of the independence movement in the Philippines after the Spanish American War, Franklin Roosevelt’s order to round up American citizens of Japanese ancestry and imprison them in concentration camps- are any of these inconvenient facts likely to be selected for inclusion in a textbook based on the “commonly shared principle” of the saintliness of the U.S. government?” (Pg. 24)</p></blockquote>
<p>Similarly we Mormons may ask ourselves if we should really expect inconvenient facts that reflect poorly on the “saintliness” of our church leaders to find their way into books and Sunday School manuals published by the church.</p>
<h3><strong>History: It Ain’t What It Used To Be</strong></h3>
<p>In 1972 the church appointed LDS Professor Leonard J. Arrington as the official Church Historian. This was the first time a real historian, a trained academic, had been given that post. This important office had always been held by a general authority. Arrington opened up the massive church archives to other Mormon academics, and the era of The New Mormon History was born. Surprise, surprise! That magic era didn’t last long; just barely a decade.</p>
<p>The archives were a treasure house of information for the excited historians involved. They were soon discovering things that the even the current leadership of the church hadn&#8217;t known about. Paul Toscano reports that Hyrum L. Andrus was opening wooden crates full of church records that had been nailed shut since they left Nauvoo in 1846. All kinds of fascinating stuff was in there. Books and essays were written based on these newly found letters, diaries, journals, newspapers, and records. But not all of the information in these documents was seen as favorable to church leadership. Some of the revisions seemed to contradict elements of what had become the official church history.</p>
<p>A massively ambitious multi-volume church history was planned, utilizing the talents of the church&#8217;s most qualified scholars and historians. Then one day the order came down from on high to scrap the project, and the historian&#8217;s office was &#8220;reorganized.&#8221; Arrington, who had been introduced at general conference with great fanfare for a vote of approval ten years earlier, was quietly released in 1982 without even a mention in conference or any vote of thanks. The position of Church Historian was again placed into the hands of a trusted general authority. The archives were closed to all but a select few, and have remained closed to this day.</p>
<p>For a fascinating example of the work of a revisionist Mormon historian, and and insight as to why revisionism is such a volatile subject to some within the church, let’s look at Richard Van Wagoner’s reexamination of the famous transmogrification of Brigham Young.</p>
<h3><strong>Mighty Morphing Fact Arrangers</strong></h3>
<p>We all know the basic story. It goes something like this. After the death of Joseph and Hyrum, the church was left leaderless. So the million dollar question on everyone&#8217;s mind: Who was next in line to lead it? A meeting was called, and Sidney Rigdon was first to speak. As the story goes, Rigdon got up and campaigned for himself to be the new prophet. Then it was Brigham Young’s turn, and as he spoke, the gathered throng witnessed a miracle. It looked to them as if Brigham Young had been transformed into Joseph Smith before their very eyes. Brigham’s visage became Joseph’s visage, his voice was Joseph’s voice, his mannerisms were Joseph’s. Clearly the spirit of Joseph Smith himself had returned to witness to the membership that Brigham Young was his anointed successor.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way most of us have heard it, but virtually every element of that story is false. Nothing even remotely resembling the described supernatural transformation took place. How do we know? We have new facts. Using letters, diaries, journals, newspaper accounts, and church records, Van Wagoner walks us through the event. He revises the history. You can read his essay here: <em><a href="http://www.mormonismi.net/pdf/myth_creation.pdf">The Making of a Mormon Myth</a></em>. (You can find another excellent analysis by Reid L. Harper in the Fall 1996 <em>Journal of Mormon History</em>.)</p>
<p>The simple but true facts are that on August 8th, 1844, Sidney Rigdon, as remaining member of the First Presidency, spoke to a large gathering of the Saints, advocating that the church continue to be led by a triumvirate with himself as President. The next day, Brigham Young gave a speech proposing that the church instead should be governed by the twelve apostles as a body. He was not campaigning to be the next leader himself, nor would anyone have accepted him if he had made such a proposal. The membership eventually voted in favor of Brigham’s plan because he made the better speech and it was considered wiser that church government be spread among the twelve rather than to continue with a new First Presidency under the ailing Sidney Rigdon.</p>
<p>And that was it. No image, no visions, no voice. Just a rip-roaring good sermon by Brigham Young. There was no transfiguration of Brigham Young into the form of Joseph Smith, no morphing, no eerie ghost noises, no nothing.</p>
<p>Again, how do we know? From primary sources; the letters, diaries, journals, and newspapers of the time. Brigham&#8217;s speech was reported on in detail in both Nauvoo newspapers and recorded by scribes for the official church records. Hundreds of members present wrote about Brigham&#8217;s persuasive argument in great detail in their private journals. Nowhere was there a mention of the miraculous or divine. Not a hint.</p>
<p>Until years later.</p>
<p>Van Wagoner takes us through the transformation; not the transformation of Brigham to Joseph, but the transformation from historical truth to historical legend.</p>
<h3><strong>You Really Had To Be There </strong></h3>
<p>After the saints were settled in Utah, church leadership began to shake out in the form of a hierarchy with certain apostles recognized as having seniority over others. Almost immediately Brigham Young forsook the plan he had proposed that church affairs should be administered by the Twelve equally, and quietly adopted the plan that had been proposed by Sidney Rigdon &#8212; with himself in Sidney Rigdon&#8217;s place.</p>
<p>Although in his famous speech in the grove at Nauvoo Brigham had insisted that “you can’t put anyone at the head of the Twelve,” in no time he managed to maneuver himself at the head of the Twelve and into the role of successor to the prophet Joseph Smith. This aggrandizement was not what the Saints had originally voted for, but Brigham had more than proven his leadership abilities by getting them across the plains and settled in, and who were they to question the senior member of the Quorum?</p>
<p>It was soon being spoken about that “the mantle of Joseph had fallen on Brigham.” What that meant exactly was anybody’s guess. “Mantle” is both a verb and a noun, and is a very abstract term in this sense. Nothing tangible or spiritual or visible had actually “fallen” on Brigham Young. It was meant as a metaphor. But in 1857, 13 years after the speech in the grove, Albert Carrington took the account one step further. In a speech before a huge gathering of Saints, he said that he couldn’t tell Brigham from Joseph that day when Brigham was speaking.</p>
<p>Someone else soon claimed that he had sensed the very spirit of Joseph Smith while Brigham had been speaking. Then another person declared that he saw the very personage of Joseph take over Brigham’s body.</p>
<p>That was all it took. Mark Twain has famously said that a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on. Human nature being what it is, there was soon no shortage of pioneers declaring that they had seen the miraculous transformation too. It was a sign! It was a miracle! Brigham Young had been transformed by the spirit of Joseph Smith into the image of Joseph Smith himself!</p>
<p>Some of the most prominent church leaders got caught up in the illusion. “His words went through me like electricity,&#8221; testified apostle Orson Hyde in 1869, “It was not the voice of Joseph Smith but there were the features, the gestures, and even the stature of Joseph before us in the person of Brigham.”</p>
<p>Eight years later, a full thirty-three years after the original event, Hyde went even further. On second thought, it <em>was</em> the voice of Joseph Smith after all, and more:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I heard the voice of Joseph through him, and it was as familiar to me as the voice of my wife, the voice of my child, or the voice of my father. And not only the voice of Joseph did I distinctly and unmistakably hear, but I saw the very gestures of his person, the very features of his countenance, and if I mistake not, the very size of his person appeared on the stand. And it went through me with the thrill of conviction that Brigham was the man to lead this people. And from that day to the present there has not been a query or a doubt upon my mind with regard to the divinity of his appointment; I know that he was the man selected of God to fill the position he now holds.”</p></blockquote>
<p>There’s just one problem with Orson Hyde’s testimony. He wasn’t there. Orson Hyde did not arrive in Nauvoo until August 13th.</p>
<p>Other prominent Mormons who weren’t present added their testimonies too. John D. Lee’s personal diary, Van Wagoner tells us, “makes it clear that he did not return to Nauvoo until 20 August, nearly two weeks later.” But that didn’t stop Lee from later saying &#8220;I myself, at the time, imagined that I saw and heard a strong resemblance to the Prophet in him.&#8221; Wilford Woodruff told the story from the pulpit many times over the years, embellishing it more than any of the others with each retelling. Interestingly, Woodruff <em>was</em> present that day and had written the most detailed and complete contemporary account of Brigham’s speech on the day he gave it. But in that original account he failed to mention any of the supernatural sights and sounds he miraculously recalled years later.</p>
<p>If the church leadership were inclined to exaggerate, the rank and file were up to the challenge too. According to Van Wagoner:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Retrospective retellings of a ‘transfiguration,’ in a variety of forms, can be found in dozens of sources, yet no two seem to agree on precise details. Elizabeth Haven Barlow, a cousin of Brigham Young, for example, wrote that her mother told her that ‘thousands in that assembly’ saw Young ‘take on the form of Joseph Smith and heard his voice change to that of the Prophet’s.’ Eliza Ann Perry Benson reminisced that the Saints arose ‘from their seats enmass’ exclaiming ‘Joseph has come! He is here!’”</p></blockquote>
<p>Too bad the newspapers neglected to notice the crowd going wild. It would have made good copy.</p>
<p>Thankfully, not every member of the church got caught up in the collective delusion. According to Van Wagoner:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bishop George Miller, present at the gathering, later recalled that nothing supernatural had occurred on that day. Young made a “long and loud harangue,” Miller later wrote, for which I “could not see any point in the course of his remarks than to overturn Sidney Rigdon’s pretensions.”</p></blockquote>
<h3><strong>Why It Matters, And Why It Doesn’t</strong></h3>
<p>Just as 19th century historian George Bancroft believed there was nothing wrong with fabricating and reshaping the facts as long as the resulting stories “would make his readers proud of their country’s history”, so did 19th century Mormons profess to fudging the facts if it led to promoting the faith. But such Mormon urban legends have a way of backfiring. Rather than strengthening testimonies, once the deception is revealed, testimonies are often destroyed. Witness the hordes of good and faithful people leaving the church in droves every year after discovering their testimonies were dependent on deeply held beliefs that had been manipulated by those they trusted most.</p>
<p>Nearly a hundred years ago B.H. Roberts was already concerned about this trend:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Suppose your youth receive their impressions of church history from ‘pictures and stories’ and build their faith upon these alleged miracles [and] shall someday come face to face with the fact that their belief rests on falsehoods; what then will be the result? Will they not say that since these things are myth and our Church has permitted them to be perpetuated …might not the other fundamentals to the actual story of the Church, the things in which it had its origin, might they not all be lies and nothing but lies?”</p></blockquote>
<h3><strong>Whack-a-Mole Wives</strong></h3>
<p>Members and ex-members alike deserve to take an objective look at the women who started popping up in late nineteenth century Utah claiming to have once been secretly married to Joseph Smith. We deserve to carefully analyze their claims one by one, and that&#8217;s just the kind of research <a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/jsfp-index.htm">Richard and Pamela Price</a> have been engaged in for over thirty years.</p>
<p>Are these tales of secret marriages not that much different from tales of miraculous transfigurations, thought to aid in affirming the glorious doctrines of The Lord&#8217;s True Church? If an apostle could claim to witness a miracle he did not see, is it not conceivable that a woman might claim a marriage she did not experience? Did any of these women come forward earlier than the late 1870&#8242;s? Do we have any contemporary accounts of their secret marriages written in their diaries at the time they supposedly took place? Why don’t we hear anything of this until these women were well past middle age and the practice of plural marriage was under attack? Anyone could have claimed to have been married to Joseph Smith, since the marriages were alleged to have been secret and no marriage certificates exist. One wife would not even have known about any of the others. “You were married to Joseph Smith? No kidding! I was married to Joseph Smith!</p>
<p>“Well, howdy-do and pleased ta meetcha!”</p>
<p>All of these dubious claims were made by women who were firm believers in The Principle, having lived their entire adult lives as plural wives, nearly all of them to men of prominence in Utah society. They were absolutely convinced that the doctrine was introduced by Joseph, so a little exaggeration to affirm the legitimacy of the practice couldn&#8217;t hurt. Doubtless some of these gals may have come to believe Joseph Smith actually would have married them for real if he had actually met them.</p>
<p>Let’s take a quick look at just a couple of cases of women who have been presented to me as proof positive, absolutely-airtight-smoking-gun-evidence that Joseph Smith was a sex-obsessed Lothario.</p>
<h3><strong>The Smoking Gun Is A Toy Cap Pistol</strong></h3>
<h4><strong>1. Nancy Rigdon</strong></h4>
<p>Nancy Rigdon was the pretty nineteen year old daughter of First Councilor Sidney Rigdon, and the way the story is often told, Joseph Smith made advances toward her in a letter and she rejected him.</p>
<p>In volume II of <em><a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/jsfp-index.htm">Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy</a></em>, the Prices examine this story in depth and document all the juicy details. You can read the complete analysis on their website <em><a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/articles/nopoligamy/jsfp-visionarticles/bennett6letter.htm">here</a></em> . I’ll give you the short version.</p>
<p>A letter was delivered to Miss Rigdon which she was told was from Joseph Smith. The letter did not contain Joseph’s signature, and Miss Rigdon rejected it because she knew where it had come from. She suspected it was the work of John C. Bennett, who held incriminating knowledge about her seduction by Chauncey Higbee and hoped for her cooperation in entrapping Joseph. What ended up happening to the poor girl was that her affair with Higbee was made public, causing her no end of humiliation.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t you know it, Bennett somehow had a copy of that letter to Nancy Rigdon of his own, which he published in the Sangamo Journal, and later in his book, claiming it was written by Joseph Smith to Nancy Rigdon. Gee, I wonder how he got that copy?</p>
<p>Joseph Smith made affidavit denying authorship of the letter, and Nancy Rigdon herself affirmed it had not come from Smith, “nor in his hand writing, but by another person, and in another person&#8217;s hand writing.” Nancy’s father didn’t believe the letter was from Joseph either. Neither copy of the notorious letter has been found to this day. All we know of it is from what Bennett published.</p>
<p>Some smoking gun.</p>
<h4><strong>2. Helen Mar Kimball</strong></h4>
<p>I suppose if we came across the diary of an innocent fourteen year old girl expressing horrified apprehension about her upcoming wedding to Joseph Smith, a grown man in his mid thirties, that would be pretty damning evidence, wouldn’t it?</p>
<p>That’s how the journal of Helen Mar Kimball is often presented. But the journal was written by Helen when she was nearly fifty and had been one of the plural wives of Orson F. Whitney her entire adult life. Helen tells a retrospective tale of desiring to be obedient to her father who wished her to be given to the Prophet to wife. The actual purpose of her story was to bolster support for the practice of plural marriage, to which she was a devoted acolyte.</p>
<p>Far from being the private diary of a frightened underage girl, this was a story Helen composed in the late 1870&#8242;s which she wrote for publication. Her story has all the earmarks of the type of fabricated &#8220;history&#8221; created to build testimonies among those who may have come to question the doctrine of plural marriage. Her conclusion was that plural marriage was wonderful. She was in with both feet. Why, she even had the privilege of being married at one time to the living Prophet himself, that&#8217;s how super-duper the whole thing was.</p>
<p>“I learned that plural marriage is a celestial principle,” she testified, “and saw&#8230; the necessity of obedience to those who hold the priesthood, and the danger of rebelling against or speaking lightly of the Lord’s anointed.”</p>
<p>Helen makes it clear in an accompanying poem that her marriage to Joseph was for eternity only. That is, the marriage was never consummated. This is a typical caveat of the women who came forward with these claims. They seemed to enjoy the status of an eternal marriage to the famous founder of their faith, but most were careful to make the point that there was never any hanky-panky going on. Joseph would claim them as his celestial mates later in the hereafter. They even had themselves sealed &#8220;again&#8221; to Joseph in the Utah temple in case anybody didn&#8217;t believe them.</p>
<p>Those who insist that Joseph Smith was a sex-obsessed letch scoring dozens of clandestine conquests at Nauvoo will have to explain to me how the biggest celebrity in the city, during the busiest time of his life and with everyone&#8217;s eyes constantly watching his every move, would be able to woo, court, and wed two to three women every month. And then explain to me this unusual talent he had for constantly picking ladies who refused to put out.</p>
<p>Helen Mar Kimball’s purpose in writing her tract was to help bolster support for “The Principle” at a time when it was coming under attack from outside the church and generating questions inside. Like anyone else of her generation and in her position, when it suited her purpose, she fabricated. She didn&#8217;t write what she did because she was fishing for sympathy, she was trolling for converts.</p>
<h3><strong>Art or Science?</strong></h3>
<p>Today the study of history is a social science, no longer the malleable &#8220;art&#8221; that it was prior to the twentieth century. So perhaps it&#8217;s time Mormons as well as ex-Mormons applied the scientific process when trying to determine whether Joseph Smith was being honest in his denunciation of polygamy, or whether he was a flaming hypocrite.</p>
<p>&#8220;Occam’s Razor&#8221; is the scientific principle embodied in the statement that “the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.” Perhaps Fawn Brodie&#8217;s frustrated bewilderment at the conflicting evidence tying Joseph Smith to plural marriage was simply a result of her having been raised in the church (as were most subsequent Joseph Smith biographers) and accepted as a “given” that the doctrine of polygamy originated with Joseph Smith. Was she predisposed to ignore the simplest explanation?</p>
<p>How many of us have ever thought to check the provenance of D&amp;C 132? Haven&#8217;t we always just assumed that it was written in Joseph&#8217;s hand? We unquestioningly accept as truth what has been handed down to us from people whose own recollections of key events changed radically depending upon the lesson they wished to convey, and who lived in a time when even the professional historians were no sticklers for accuracy.</p>
<p>After weighing all the evidence in any historical controversy, the best we can conclude about any given event is that it was <em>more likely</em> to have happened one way, and <em>less likely</em> to have happened another. Important factors to consider are primary and contemporary accounts (accounts written at the time), versus secondary accounts, hearsay, and later recollections.</p>
<p>So here’s what it comes down to. On the one hand we have countless contemporary accounts in Joseph’s own words testifying of his incessant crusade to root out polygamy in the church and his threats to prosecute its practitioners. On the other hand we have scribes as early as 1847 testifying to their complicity in tampering with the dead man&#8217;s journals, along with an entire gallery of pinch-faced dowagers appearing from out of nowhere with a claim to fame for their secret weddings to a long dead super-celebrity.</p>
<p>Taking Joseph Smith at his word and approaching the later claims as hyperbole typical of the zeitgeist is the only way to make sense of all the contradictions. It’s the only way the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. No one really knows the truth about what happened back then. I wouldn&#8217;t pretend to. I’ve only read half of the revisionist history on the topic, and I&#8217;m told there&#8217;s much more yet to be made available. But if I were to offer an early opinion based on the evidence I’ve seen so far, I would have to say that it seems <em>more likely </em>that Joseph Smith was sincere about eradicating polygamy in the church; and given what we know about the 19th century proclivity for embellishing reality without shame as long as it was for a good cause, I’d have to conclude that it’s <em>less likely </em>that we can rely on the claims of Joseph Smith’s several “wives”.</p>
<p>I don’t quite understand this reluctance some people have -both believing Mormons as well as others raised in the parochial Mormon culture- to automatically reject new information that might force a paradigm shift in their thinking. I like how B.H. Roberts looked at it: “I find my own heart strengthened in the truth by getting rid of the untruth, the spectacular, the bizarre, as soon as I learn that it is based upon worthless testimony.”</p>
<p>I actually like discovering I might have been wrong about something. It&#8217;s kind of exhilarating. It tells me I’m still learning.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently I&#8217;ve been in contact with a girl by means of the internet. We haven&#8217;t met but plan to soon. I like her a lot. She has told me she loves me and wants to start a family with me. She isn&#8217;t a member of the church but said she is willing to join it if it means being with me.  I find her attractive, yes -but there are other factors as well. She is from a mixed race (half African, half White American). I know love can put aside all differences but at the same time this would cause stress on both of us. Not only culturally but children, my family (she has no family really), etc. Some of my family members are a little less open to other races as I am. I know family is something that can be dealt with but my family is very close. I was just wondering if there was some way to overcome this issue? I have openly told her about my feelings on these subjects and she doesn&#8217;t care. She is willing to wait for me to overcome my issues. I plan to go forward with our relationship and see how [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Recently I&#8217;ve been in contact with a girl by means of the internet. We haven&#8217;t met but plan to soon. I like her a lot. She has told me she loves me and wants to start a family with me.<br />
She isn&#8217;t a member of the church but said she is willing to join it if it means being with me.  I find her attractive, yes -but there are other factors as well.<br />
She is from a mixed race (half African, half White American). I know love can put aside all differences but at the same time this would cause stress on both of us. Not only culturally but children, my family (she has no family really), etc. Some of my family members are a little less open to other races as I am. I know family is something that can be dealt with but my family is very close. I was just wondering if there was some way to overcome this issue?<br />
I have openly told her about my feelings on these subjects and she doesn&#8217;t care. She is willing to wait for me to overcome my issues. I plan to go forward with our relationship and see how well we get along once we have met in person. I look forward to it.<br />
I have prayed concerning this and have felt good about it. I just still am struggling to overcome some of my anxiety over the subject. Am I wrong to worry about such things? Am I over thinking this?  Any advice would be appreciated. </em></p>
<p><span id="more-11940"></span>Finding love through the Internet is a new mating process that is increasing in popularity and has been for the past 10-20 years. As with any new process, we struggle to figure out its implications and &#8220;rules&#8221; of behavior as we embark on unchartered territory. One of the positives of the Internet is the decrease of geographical and cultural boundaries. This has a great impact on the &#8220;pool&#8221; available to those who are dating.  Our world today is much more global, as is our church, and people are meeting, falling in love or beginning friendships with those not of their culture, race or even religious faith at a much grander scale than ever before. There are many wonderful things about this &#8211; the main one being increased tolerance for others different from ourselves.<br />
However, as with anything, there are challenges that couples in interracial, intercultural, or interfaith relationships should be aware of as they make the decision to make a life together:</p>
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<li> Unfortunately there still remain many stereotypes or &#8220;attitudes&#8221; towards mixed race relationships &#8211; this can depend greatly on the geographical area you live in. The best way to deal with this issue is to see it as ignorance and un-Christlike behavior. It may take patience at times, the willingness to not be overly sensitive and the willingness to be a voice, example and educator to those around you. Be clear with friends and family members that if they want to enjoy the benefits of a relationship with you and your wife (if you were to get married), that any type of racism/bigotry will be addressed and not tolerated. Because of deep seeded beliefs/cultural bias, some people may not even be aware that their behavior is racist. That is why I encourage open communication before writing people off.</li>
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<ul>
<li> With different cultures and faiths there usually come different traditions, parenting styles, conflict/problem-resolution styles and even romance styles. As with any relationship, communication will be a key element for success.</li>
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<li> It will be of great importance once children are born, to engender in them a sense of pride for all aspects of their ancestry and subsequent personhood (i.e. color of skin, cultural tradition and history, etc.). Sometimes within the same family, children may have different color shades of skin tone. Communication and normalizing of the family situation will be important in engendering strong self-esteem and a strong sense of family unity. It is also important to educate them on what they can expect from the outside world so that they are prepared to deal with insults or other ignorant behavior.</li>
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<p>Here are some thoughts in regards to your specific situation:</p>
<ul>
<li> It is normal to worry and &#8220;over think&#8221; when making the important decision as to your lifelong companion. In fact, it is good to be as objective as possible and be realistic about the pros and cons of the relationship. This is usually a difficult thing to do when we are &#8220;in love.&#8221; However, the more you discuss potential strengths and weaknesses as a couple, the more insight you will both receive as to your problem-solving styles, your compatibility, your attraction, your goals/dreams, etc. These are important things to be addressing during the dating process.</li>
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<li> I encourage you to take the relationship to the next level &#8211; that of meeting as you mention &#8211; and see how you feel about each other once you are able to spend more time with one another. There is no need to hurry or rush into any decision.</li>
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<li> Just because your love interest has &#8220;received an answer&#8221; and feels that you should marry, does not necessarily mean that this is your answer. It will be important for you to receive your own impressions and personal revelation regarding the decision as to whom you will marry.</li>
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<li> I would discourage any conversion process that is based solely on the desire to marry. Many not of our faith don&#8217;t always understand the commitment needed to legitimately become a convert.  Conversion into our religion takes doctrinal belief and personal commitment that this woman may not be completely aware of. I would hope also that from your perspective, it would be more important for her to convert sincerely if that is what she chooses at some point, than to just want her to convert due to family and/or LDS social pressure. Conversion should be a deeply personal, spiritual and largely individual journey with God.</li>
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<li> It is better to be aware of and recognize any cultural or racist biases you may have and be honest with yourself about them. In the desire many of us have not to be racist, we inadvertently hide uncomfortable feelings or thoughts (even from ourselves). To be able to overcome such thought processes we first need to identify them and how we want to progress. Asking ourselves the following questions may be helpful: Where do my biases come from? What lenses am I looking through (i.e. my parents?, my culture?, my education?) Are any of my biases based on evidence? Are they based on fear? Are they based on gospel teaching? How did Jesus Christ feel about and treat those of a different culture during His ministry? What can I learn from Him? How do my biases limit me? How do they protect me? Do I want this type of protection? How do I want to approach people of a different race, culture or faith? How do I want these same people to approach me?</li>
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<p>With all this being said, I want to be clear that whether or not we marry within the same race, religion or culture &#8211; the fact remains that the two families from which two individuals come from are, in of themselves, two different cultures. We take a lot for granted when marrying within &#8220;sameness&#8221; that many times does not meet expectations. People assume certain things because of the labels we engender. Then come to find out, assumptions are not realities. It is important regardless of who we marry to be aware of the &#8220;culture&#8221; our spouse comes from, the &#8220;culture&#8221; we come from and how we are to integrate the strengths and weaknesses we bring to the table to in turn create a new found culture within the bounds of our new family and home.</p>
<p>MM readers:<br />
What are your thoughts and feelings about interracial marriage?<br />
What are your thoughts and feelings about marrying outside of our faith?</p>
<p><em>Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and  Family      Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of  experience    working   with LDS members. Here she shares with us  representative    cases from  her  practice and insights she has gained  from her work as a    therapist.   She  blogs at <a href="http://mormontherapist.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">mormontherapist.blogspot.com</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>Eastern Orthodoxy:  Theosis/Deification</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Covenant Theological Seminary is a Presbyterian Seminary.  They have online courses that you can listen to for free!  If you pay tuition, you can get a Master of Divinity Degree online.  I have found the podcasts incredibly interesting. I&#8217;ve learned some interesting concepts from class on Ancient and Medieval Church History.  Session #23 discusses Eastern Orthodoxy.  First, let&#8217;s have a little background.  The Eastern Orthodox Church officially split with the Catholic Church in 1054.  The Pope excommunicated the Patriarch in Constantinople, so the Patriarch did the same to the Pope.  There had been some different emphasis on theology for quite some time.  For example, while the Catholic Church claimed that the Pope held all the leadership, the Orthodox Church held a much less central authority.  The Orthodox belief of revelation is that God speaks through these councils, not one central person. There were seven early councils (such as the Nicene Council.) These edicts of these councils are usually considered scripture in the Orthodox church.  The various Orthodox churches (Russian, Greek, etc) are quite a bit more autonomous.  The Orthodox church even holds out that there could one day be an American Orthodox church, if membership warrants such an organization. Even [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://worldwide-classroom.com/">Covenant Theological Seminary</a> is a Presbyterian Seminary.  They have online courses that <a href="http://worldwide-classroom.com/courses/">you can listen to for free</a>!  If you pay tuition, you can get a Master of Divinity Degree online.  I have found the podcasts incredibly interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned some interesting concepts from class on Ancient and Medieval Church History.  Session #23 discusses Eastern  Orthodoxy.  First, let&#8217;s have a  little background.  The Eastern Orthodox Church officially split with the Catholic Church  in 1054.  The Pope excommunicated the Patriarch in Constantinople, so  the Patriarch did the same to the Pope.  There had been some different  emphasis on theology for quite some time.  For example, while the  Catholic Church claimed that the Pope held all the leadership, the  Orthodox Church held a much less central authority.  The Orthodox belief  of revelation is that God speaks through these councils, not one  central person.</p>
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<p><span id="more-11935"></span>There were seven early councils (such as the Nicene Council.) These  edicts of these councils are usually considered scripture in the  Orthodox church.  The various Orthodox churches (Russian, Greek, etc)  are quite a bit more autonomous.  The Orthodox church even holds out  that there could one day be an American Orthodox church, if membership  warrants such an organization.</p>
<p>Even before the official split, there were many tensions between Rome  and Constantinople.  In the podcast, the teacher refers to Rome as the  &#8220;Western&#8221; church, and Constantinople as the &#8220;Eastern&#8221; church.  The  western church spoke mostly Latin, while the eastern church spoke mostly  Greek.  In the West, the church had an emphasis on:</p>
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<li>Sin</li>
<li>Grace</li>
<li>Justification</li>
<li>Salvation</li>
<li>Sacraments</li>
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<p>The eastern church agrees, but has a larger emphasis on:</p>
<ol>
<li>Apophaticism &#8211; an emphasis on the mystery of God.</li>
<li>Tradition</li>
<li>Theosis</li>
<li>Icons</li>
</ol>
<p>I&#8217;d like to talk about Theosis.  Theosis is a greek word meaning  Deification, as in the deification of humanity.  Unfortunately, I do not  know the name of the teacher, but anyone can download the podcast to  hear him directly.  I&#8217;d like to quote the teacher directly.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[Theosis] is the word that really sums up salvation.  In  the West, we talk about sin and justification as a way of understanding  salvation.  In the East, the emphasis is on theosis or deification.  We  are changed so that we become like God, or Eastern theologians will say  it even more strongly than that.  As Athanasius put it, &#8216;God became  man, that man might become God.&#8217;  That&#8217;s theosis, or deification.</p>
<p>Well, that strikes the western mind as kind of a problematic way to  understand theology and to understand the transforming effect of grace.   The eastern mind though sees that as the real purpose of Christ coming  into the world, to transform us that we become like him.  In some ways,  we can see that if we&#8217;re talking about union with Christ, or becoming  more and more like Christ or becoming more and more like God.  But in  the eastern expression of theosis, it is stated so strongly that Christ  became man, that we might become God that most western thinkers pull  back from that.  It sounds like a kind of heresy of some sort.  I expect  closer examination of the eastern idea of theosis, will reveal that the  eastern theology doesn&#8217;t for the most part, go over the line, but it  uses language that can be suggested of something that western Christians  would want to avoid.</p>
<p>The people in the west that pick up this same idea are the mystics,  and in the west, they were constantly accused of pantheism.  Because, to  the western mind, this kind of language, and this kind of expression  goes too far because it tends to blur the distinction between God and  his creation.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I decided to look up theosis on Wikipedia, and found this interesting  quote from St Ireneaus (who lived 130-202 AD.)  He is considered a  saint in both the Catholic and Orthodox churches.  &#8220;<em><a title="St. Irenaeus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Irenaeus">St. Irenaeus</a> explained this concept in </em><em><a title="On the Detection and  Overthrow of the So-Called Gnosis" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Detection_and_Overthrow_of_the_So-Called_Gnosis">Against  Heresies</a>, Book 5, in the <a title="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103500.htm" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103500.htm">Preface</a>,  &#8220;the Word of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, who did, through His  transcendent love, become what we are, that He might bring us to be even  what He is Himself.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>It seems to me that mormons have much in common with this idea of  theosis.  This sounds quite similar to Lorenzo Snow&#8217;s quote, <strong>&#8220;As man  now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be.&#8221; </strong>Comments?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #23 The story of David and Jonathan is one of the most inspiring examples of true friendship anywhere.  Our LDS SS manual firmly places this lesson within the mainstream view of Biblical exegesis, presenting the two as strong personal and platonic friends.  As I studied the covenant made between these young men in 1 Samuel 18, I was touched by the loyalty shown by the young Jonathan, because he &#8220;loved [David] as his own soul.&#8221;  Because of this love, Jonathan relinquishes his hopes for his father&#8217;s throne in deference to God&#8217;s choice.  In a symbolic and ceremonial gesture, Jonathan strips off his robe, which represents the authority he holds to succeed his father, King Saul, and gives it to David.  He also gives David his sword and his bow, representing his military prerogative; and his girdle, which symbolizes spiritual truths and the kingdom of God. But other writers, beginning with Homer and continuing to the present day, have noted the strong elements of intimacy and eroticism within the relationship.  David&#8217;s love for Jonathan is described as &#8220;wonderful, passing the love of women.&#8221;  Saul also reprimands Jonathan at the dinner table, accusing him that &#8220;thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and [...]]]></description>
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<p>The story of David and Jonathan is one of the most inspiring examples of true friendship anywhere.  Our LDS SS manual firmly places <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7a84c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">this lesson</a> within the mainstream view of Biblical exegesis, presenting the two as strong personal and platonic friends.  As I studied the covenant made between these young men in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/1_sam/18/1-4#1">1 Samuel 18</a>, I was touched by the loyalty shown by the young Jonathan, because he &#8220;loved [David] as his own soul.&#8221;  Because of this love, Jonathan relinquishes his hopes for his father&#8217;s throne in deference to God&#8217;s choice.  In a symbolic and ceremonial gesture, Jonathan strips off his robe, which <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=gen+37:3,+23&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=num+20:22-28%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=">represents the authority</a> he holds to succeed his father, King Saul, and gives it to David.  He also gives David his sword and his bow, representing his military prerogative; and his girdle, which symbolizes spiritual truths and the kingdom of God.</p>
<p>But other writers, beginning with Homer and continuing to the present day, have noted the strong elements of intimacy and eroticism within the relationship.  <span id="more-11709"></span><!--more-->David&#8217;s love for Jonathan is described as &#8220;wonderful, passing the love of women.&#8221;  Saul also reprimands Jonathan at the dinner table, accusing him that &#8220;thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother’s nakedness.&#8221;  Martti Nissinen concludes that this &#8220;choosing (<em>bahar</em>) may indicate a permanent choice and firm relationship, and the mention of &#8220;nakedness&#8221; (<em>erwa</em>) could be interpreted to convey a negative sexual nuance, giving the impression that Saul saw something indecent in Jonathan&#8217;s and David&#8217;s relationship.  Some also interpret this as Saul&#8217;s caution that choosing David as a lover meant that Jonathan could not produce an heir to the throne. There is also an exchange pointing to <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=1+sam+18:21&amp;do=Search">1 Samuel 18:21</a>. Here Saul tells David that when he marries Michal he will become his son-in-law for the second time.  There is reason to suppose the union of Jonathan and David represents the first.</p>
<p>What does it mean that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David?</p>
<p>In trying to interpret the story of these two Biblical figures, I am greatly influenced by my reading of Michael Quinn&#8217;s <a href="http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/74dbx6fq9780252069581.html">Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans</a>.  In this book, Quinn describes a nineteenth-century Mormon culture far more hospitable to and tolerant of same-sex relationships than that of modern Mormonism, which he regards as &#8220;homophobic.&#8221;  He gives several examples of long-term relationships among Mormon couples he believes were homosexual.  But in doing so, he also admits of a world and an era where emotional intimacy and physical closeness of same-sex friends did NOT involve homoeroticism.  He gives examples of letters written in the nineteenth century between platonic friends which contained emotional intensity and passionate references.  Same-sex friends held hands, kissed each other on the lips, and sometimes slept in the same bed for years at a time. These things are more aptly described as &#8220;homosociality.&#8221;   Reading about this phenomenon gave me an insight into the world view of previous ages that I had not understood before reading the book.</p>
<p>At times when I read the story of David and Jonathan through my twenty-first-century lens, I have wondered if these men were not physically intimate.  The words and images used to describe their relationship are passionate, ardent, concupiscent.  But reading about some of the homosocial behaviors Quinn describes has convinced me that David and Jonathan were not gay.  I agree with Quinn that too many Americans find homosociality frightening. Some of my returned-missionary friends have spoken with embarrassment of the strong male bonding they experienced on their missions.  They recall vivid episodes involving platonic intimacy &#8212; walking arm-in-arm, embracing, and other emotional and physical affection.  We are suspicious and uncomfortable with these things in our modern paradigm.  But homosociality can be an enlightening concept to consider.  I&#8217;m glad this relationship is included among all of the other unusual associations described in the Old Testament!</p>
<p>BONUS: The woodcut of Jonathan and David pictured below may be astonishingly evocative, both to LDS members endowed before 1990 and to those familiar with Masonic ritual.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/woodcut.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-11711" title="woodcut" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/woodcut-1024x821.gif" alt="" width="717" height="575" /></a></p>
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<div style="text-align: center;">Jonathan Lovingly Taketh His Leave of David&#8221; by <a title="Julius Schnorr von Karolsfeld" href="http://www.search.com/reference/Julius_Schnorr_von_Karolsfeld">Julius Schnorr von Karolsfeld</a></div>
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		<title>The Mormon Therapist on &#8220;I don&#8217;t feel safe talking to my husband about sex.&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha Helfer Parker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of experience working with LDS members. Here she shares with us representative cases from her practice and insights she has gained from her work as a therapist.  She blogs at mormontherapist.blogspot.com. You have mentioned the importance of communicating with our spouse about our view of sex&#8211;not just the fantasies. I don&#8217;t feel like I can do that with my husband. He is not a safe place to go for me. We have a different opinion about how and how often we should be having sex. Part of my opinion on that is because of insecurities that I have about my body, that sadly, he has made even worse. So when I try to express my opinions on the subject I feel like he has just gotten defensive. And his defense mechanism is to just shut down. It has been going on for a long time. In other areas of our marriage, I feel like we are doing pretty well, but this issue has lately begun to seep through our whole relationship and I feel like if we don&#8217;t take care [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1185-e1275478108951.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-11186" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1185-e1275478108951.jpg" alt="" width="77" height="85" /></a>Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and  Family   Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of  experience working   with LDS members. Here she shares with us  representative cases from  her  practice and insights she has gained  from her work as a therapist.   She  blogs at <a href="http://mormontherapist.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">mormontherapist.blogspot.com</a>.</p>
<p><em>You have mentioned the importance of communicating with our spouse about our view of sex&#8211;not just the fantasies. I don&#8217;t feel like I can do that  with my husband. He is not a safe place to go for me. We have a  different opinion about how and how often we should be having sex. Part  of my opinion on that is because of insecurities that I have about my  body, that sadly, he has made even worse. So when I try to express my  opinions on the subject I feel like he has just gotten defensive. And  his defense mechanism is to just shut down. It has been going on for a  long time. In other areas of our marriage, I feel like we are doing  pretty well, but this issue has lately begun to seep through our whole  relationship and I feel like if we don&#8217;t take care of it soon, we won&#8217;t  be able to at all.</em><br />
<span id="more-11658"></span>We all come to marriage  with our own sexual histories, sexual expectations and sexual taboos.  And there is no magical guidebook given to us after the marriage ceremony to  help us navigate through these complicated thoughts, feelings and frustrations. Here are some thoughts I had as I read through  your experience:</p>
<ul>
<li>Sexuality is closely tied with our egos, self-esteem and for many a  sense of shame or  embarrassment. This is why it can be difficult to talk  about and most of us  could use some help in this department.</li>
<li>Our religious framework often has much to do with the &#8220;hows&#8221; and the &#8220;how oftens.&#8221;  Having frank and open discussions in a respectful setting regarding sex is pivotal to any couple of any faith.</li>
<li>The &#8220;how oftens&#8221; also have much to do with differences in biological drive.  Knowledge of how biological drive will affect your sexuality as a couple is also important.</li>
<li>One recommendation is to go get couples  counseling. Make sure you go to someone who is qualified to do  couples work, which is different from individual therapy. You may also consider going to a  specialized sex therapist who is even more qualified to deal with sexual  issues.  The biggest mistake that  couples make when it comes to seeking professional help is to not get it early  enough. You say your marriage is primarily in a good place. It will be much easier to do this work now before you add years of resentment, mistrust, and anger.  A good therapist, whether LDS or  not, should respect your religious values regarding sexuality.  Since the sense of safety is so important to whether or not a couple can successfully resolve issues, this should be one of the main themes around the work you do in therapy.</li>
<li>The only person you have control  over is yourself. And the only person who can work on your self-esteem  is yourself. If your partner is making comments that put you down, it  can be extremely difficult to NOT have it affect your self-esteem.  However, your self-esteem is your own responsibility and I  would recommend doing some self-esteem work. If your partner refuses to  seek help with you, it is your right to seek help anyway.</li>
<li>There is a big difference between constructive feedback  and putting somebody down. Unfortunately in marriage we can often  belittle our partner or find ourselves being criticized in an  unproductive way. A common self-defense mechanism is finding faults in others when we don&#8217;t feel good about ourselves. Your husband may be struggling with his  own self-esteem and be putting you down as a result.  Obviously in a marriage, this negative pattern  can spiral to the point that affection and intimacy are greatly  affected. It is perfectly reasonable to set appropriate boundaries  around hurtful or negative comments (i.e. &#8220;I am not ok with you putting  down the way I look. It affects my self-esteem and it is not healthy for  our marriage.&#8221;).</li>
<li>It would be helpful if we could remember that pointing out to our spouse things that we don&#8217;t like about them (especially in a critical or demeaning fashion) usually has  the opposite effect of getting what we want.</li>
<li>When it is  difficult to talk about something, especially with a spouse who  withdraws from conflict, it can be useful to write a letter instead. I  would include the following elements (and notice the use of &#8220;I&#8221;  statements which help keep you away from blame):</li>
</ul>
<ol>
<li>These  are the things I love about our marriage&#8230;. These are the things that I  think we are good at&#8230;.</li>
<li>At the same time (not however or but), I feel like we would  both agree that we&#8217;ve been struggling in this area&#8230;</li>
<li>I would  like to get some outside help so that we can look forward to increasing  the level of intimacy and trust in our relationship&#8230;. These are some  options that I am considering&#8230;</li>
<li>Please let me know your  thoughts on the matter&#8230;..</li>
<li>I believe in us&#8230;..</li>
<li>I love  you and my desire is to be closer to you&#8230;</li>
</ol>
<ul>
<li>If I was  going to work with you as a couple some information that would be  helpful to know about you would be:</li>
</ul>
<ol>
<li>is there any past  sexual trauma for either partner?</li>
<li>what are your sexual  histories?  have you been honest with each other about your sexual  histories?</li>
<li>what are the patterns of previous generations? what  kinds of relationships were modeled? how was sex education and messages  communicated about in the families of origin?</li>
<li>how has your religion framed your sexual mindset? how do each of you see the purpose of sex?</li>
<li>is there any past  or current sexual behavior that would cause shame or secrecy (i.e.  pornography use, affairs, ruminating thoughts, etc.)?</li>
<li>what&#8217;s the  level of self-esteem work that needs to be done for both?</li>
<li> are there any  eating disorders involved?</li>
<li>what correlation do you see between emotional, intellectual, spiritual and physical intimacy?</li>
</ol>
<p>For the readers of MM &#8211; what have you found useful in your relationships when talking about topics that don&#8217;t feel comfortable or safe?  How have you struck a balance between offering constructive criticism instead of belittlement?  How have you taken constructive criticism yourself?  How do gospel principles help or hinder us in this department (i.e. stand up for yourself vs turn the other cheek)?  Do you feel safe talking to your spouse about sex?  Do the church education programs prepare us to talk to our spouses about sex?  How do we best handle differences in the &#8220;how&#8221; or &#8220;how often&#8221; departments?  When should compromise be part of the equation and when shouldn&#8217;t it?  What about issues of physical attraction when one of us gains weight for example?</p>
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		<title>The Mormon Therapist on the Color Gray</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Natasha Helfer Parker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of experience working with LDS members. Here she shares with us representative cases from her practice and insights she has gained from her work as a therapist.  She blogs at mormontherapist.blogspot.com. I think so many people want a clear &#8220;black and white&#8221; answer on many issues. Instead our leaders and the Lord give us great freedom (leeway so to speak) to live our religion. A lot of people seem to be on a quest to &#8220;decide&#8221; what our Heavenly Father must feel and what His stance must be on certain things like oral sex, plastic surgery, and even consuming caffeine, for example&#8230;. So many people are adamant that they KNOW what&#8217;s right and what&#8217;s wrong, and that all other opinions are false. Someone may assume, for instance, that because I am not speaking out against these things that therefore, I must do them myself. What&#8217;s important to me is that I don&#8217;t join the ranks of people assuming that my answer is the right answer &#8211; and then move towards casting judgments. Agency can be such a tricky thing, can&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family    Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of experience working    with LDS members. Here she shares with us representative cases from   her  practice and insights she has gained from her work as a therapist.    She  blogs at <a href="http://mormontherapist.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">mormontherapist.blogspot.com</a>.</p>
<p><em>I think so many people want a clear  &#8220;black and white&#8221; answer on many issues. Instead our leaders and the Lord give us great freedom (leeway  so to speak) to live our religion.<br />
A lot of people seem to be on a quest to &#8220;decide&#8221; what our  Heavenly Father must feel and what His stance must be on certain things  like oral sex, plastic surgery, and even consuming caffeine, for  example&#8230;.<br />
So many  people are adamant that they KNOW what&#8217;s right and what&#8217;s wrong, and  that all other opinions are false.<br />
Someone may assume, for instance, that because I am  not speaking out against these things that therefore, I must do them  myself. What&#8217;s important to me is that I don&#8217;t  join the ranks of people assuming that my answer is the right answer &#8211;  and then move towards casting judgments.<br />
Agency can be such a  tricky thing, can&#8217;t it?</em></p>
<p><em><span id="more-11662"></span></em>Well I  couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  There are so many reasons I love the  gospel of Jesus Christ.  Three of its main principles that resonate with me are 1. the gift and importance of free agency, 2. knowing we have  the possibility to receive personal revelation applicable to our unique situation, and 3. the guidance to  be non-judgmental and merciful when dealing with ourselves and others.</p>
<ul>
<li>It  is through our free agency that we learn EVERYTHING.  If we choose to  follow the gospel, then we choose.  If we don&#8217;t, we still choose.   Either way the consequences (whether positive or negative) have to do  with learning and progression.  It is based on the principle of opposition.  For  every good there is bad.  For every painful experience there is the  possibility for joy.  If we can truly accept this principle, it is  easier to have perspective when we fall, or what can seem sometimes  worse, when our loved ones fall.</li>
<li>It  is through personal revelation that one of our prophets, Nephi,  came to know he had to kill in order to recover the history  of his people.  This went against the most basic of commandments.   I am in no way inferring that we should feel justified  in murder through the guise of personal revelation, and yet there is a  lesson to be learned.  Sometimes, for the sake of something better and  bigger and through personal revelation, we leave the &#8220;rule&#8221; behind (i.e.  we stay in a struggling marriage for the sake of an eternal family, we  divorce our spouse because of personal safety, we embrace the member we  know has recently been excommunicated, we love and support our gay son  who has left the church, we think before speaking in church and take  into account different situations, we cease to judge others whom we know  little about, we decide that engaging in oral sex is OK, we decide  engaging in oral sex is not OK, etc.).  It is of utmost importance for  all of us to be continually building on this heavenly means of  communication with our Father for it has no limit.</li>
<li>Once  we understand that all of us are on different progression paths, we can  better accept the concepts of mercy and forgiveness which lead to  the possibility of being less judgmental.  The &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe he did  that!&#8221;  &#8220;Did you hear what she just said?&#8221; &#8220;I could never do something  like that!&#8221; comments go by the wayside to make way for a more productive  process of communication that embodies the true love of Christ:  charity.  And charity never faileth.  It never fails us and it never  fails others.  Christ Himself loved, served, and healed the most vile of  sinners of His time.  Is this not the utmost of metaphors for us all? We all sin.  It is impossible in this life not to.  If we did not  sin, what would be the point of even being here?</li>
</ul>
<p>In  my dealings with many members of the church and in looking at my own  life experiences, I have come to the conclusion that very little of what  we are faced with falls into the &#8220;Black or White&#8221; category.  From the  very beginning we know that Eve and Adam face a  contradiction: two opposing commandments.  We can ask what kind of God  would put us in this predicament?  I counter with this answer: A God who  wanted us to learn mercy.  A God who needs us to understand compassion.   A God who wants us to think for ourselves, use our resources, and  stretch our boundaries or comfort zones.  In fact many of our beloved  scriptural stories are in some way or another about people who had to  find an exception to the rule &#8211; a different way than what their cultural  or religious traditions proscribed.  Jesus Christ Himself was the  epitome of breaking the Mosaic and Judaic rules in order to achieve  cadence to a higher law &#8211; a higher purpose.  I am in no way encouraging  everyone to go break rules for the heck of it.  Commandments and guidance  are in place to help us achieve happiness and attain blessings.  I just  hope that through this gospel principle of looking at the &#8220;gray&#8221; which  surrounds us, we can look at situations on an individual basis (not  everything or everyone fits into the same mold) and on a merciful basis  (no matter what anyone is doing or not doing, they deserve our love and  respect as fellow children of God &#8211; including ourselves).</p>
<p>MM readers- How do you see the world?  Black and White?  Or with varying degrees of gray?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Early Christian Theological Differences I recently read Misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman. One of the interesting realities on which Ehrman elaborates is that early Christianity was anything but homogeneous. More specifically, there were many factions, some heterodox, some orthodox, some in the middle. Some of the books of the apocrypha, gnostic texts, and other early Christian writings seemed to support various theological ideas not represented, and in fact, even repressed in what became the canonized New Testament. A few of particular interest are adoptionist (Christians that thought Jesus was fully mortal), docetic (Christians who thought Jesus was only divine and merely &#8220;appeared&#8221; to be human), and separationist (Christians who thought Jesus was two separate beings, one Jesus (human) and one Christ (divine)). There were many other heretical ideas that various Christian groups espoused. Some parts of our canonized New Testament were intentionally modified to suppress these views. Translations in Mormonism In Mormonism we have a very strange use of the word &#8220;translation.&#8221; Joseph &#8220;translated&#8221; the golden plates to produce The Book of Mormon. He &#8220;translated&#8221; some egyptian scrolls to produce the book of Abraham. In each of these instances I think that &#8220;translation&#8221; is probably a bit misleading. &#8220;Divined,&#8221; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h4>Early Christian Theological Differences</h4>
<p>I recently read <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Misquoting Jesus</span> by Bart D. Ehrman.  One of the interesting realities on which Ehrman elaborates is that early Christianity was anything but homogeneous.  More specifically, there were many factions, some heterodox, some orthodox, some in the middle.  Some of the books of the apocrypha, gnostic texts, and other early Christian writings seemed to support various theological ideas not represented, and in fact, even repressed in what became the canonized New Testament.<span id="more-11399"></span></p>
<p>A few of particular interest are adoptionist (Christians that thought Jesus was fully mortal), docetic (Christians who thought Jesus was only divine and merely &#8220;appeared&#8221; to be human), and separationist (Christians who thought Jesus was two separate beings, one Jesus (human) and one Christ (divine)).  There were many other heretical ideas that various Christian groups espoused.  Some parts of our canonized New Testament were intentionally modified to suppress these views.</p>
<h4>Translations in Mormonism</h4>
<p>In Mormonism we have a very strange use of the word &#8220;translation.&#8221;  Joseph &#8220;translated&#8221; the golden plates to produce The Book of Mormon.  He &#8220;translated&#8221; some egyptian scrolls to produce the book of Abraham.  In each of these instances I think that &#8220;translation&#8221; is probably a bit misleading.  &#8220;Divined,&#8221; or &#8220;revealed,&#8221; perhaps, but &#8220;translated&#8221; in our modern colloquial usage is quite a stretch in my opinion!</p>
<p>To me, &#8220;translation&#8221; as it relates to Joseph&#8217;s work with the Bible, seems to imply that Joseph was a textual critic, much like Ehrman.  That is to say, his goal, like a textual critic, would have been to correct the errors in translation and copying to return the scriptures to their original form.  The 8th Article of Faith further gives weight to the idea that Joseph would have been interested correcting the translation, as it was the thing that had errors (as opposed to the original manuscripts themselves).</p>
<p>Yet, it is reasonable to me to question whether or not the original manuscripts of the canonized New Testament actually contained accurate teachings of Jesus.  Surely if there were many different theologies, all of which claimed to be Christian, differing radically in their implications for modern Christian understanding, is it safe to assume that the books that &#8220;made it&#8221; into the canon even represent Jesus&#8217; teachings?  What of the process that came to finally accept a &#8220;canon&#8221; of scriptures?  It was a process of gradual (read: hundreds of years) consensus among orthodox Christians (read: the Roman Catholic church), culminating finally in the Council of Trent in the 1500&#8242;s!  Is this really what we now authoritatively accept as Jesus&#8217; teachings and doctrines?  And if Joseph&#8217;s goal, as translator, was to revert the text to the original, have we really made much progress in understanding the true Gospel as Christ taught?</p>
<h4>Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible</h4>
<p>Fortunately, as I&#8217;m sure many of you are silently screaming about, I think the Joseph Smith &#8220;Translation&#8221; is, again, a misnomer.  It seems to me that Joseph had no business being a textual critic (despite being rather schooled in the Bible), and in fact, I don&#8217;t think this was Joseph&#8217;s goal at all.  A casual glance at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_Translation_of_the_Bible">Wikipedia article</a> on the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible indicates that Joseph seemed to be using the Bible as an impetus for revelation.  From that article, Philip Barlow thinks there are six different types of changes in the JST:</p>
<ul>
<li>Long revealed additions having no Biblical parallel (including visions of Moses, Enoch, and passages on Melchizedek).</li>
<li>&#8220;Common Sense&#8221; changes.</li>
<li>&#8220;Interpretive additions&#8221; often signaled by the phrase &#8220;or in other words.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Harmonization&#8221; in which Joseph reconciled seemingly conflicting passages.</li>
<li>Grammatical improvements.</li>
<li>Unclassifiable changes.</li>
</ul>
<p>I think this is a fair list, but I would add to it.  I think the Doctrine and Covenants is a form of the JST.  That is to say, Joseph was not a textual critic, and the JST is not a translation at all.  It is a series of revelations that hoped to obtain what <em>should</em> have been in the Bible.  I think Joseph was interested in discovering, through revelation, the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ, not in a restoration of the words of the original manuscript of the books that make up our canon.</p>
<p>In this vein, I am completely baffled as to why the LDS church does not adopt the JST and why we don&#8217;t rely more on Joseph&#8217;s revelations, and less on the Bible.  I would even go so far as to argue that Mormonism shouldn&#8217;t even really care about the translational accuracy of the Bible.  Between The Book of Mormon, D&amp;C, and modern revelation, it seems we have a rich, full theology, that are Christian in their own right!</p>
<h4>JST in the LDS Church</h4>
<p>The JST manuscripts were preserved by Emma Smith after Joseph&#8217;s death.  As a result, the then Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (RLDS, now Community of Christ church) published and copyrighted the JST in 1867. The LDS church had only a partial collection of the JST manuscripts.  Ostensibly the LDS church was unable to verify, independently, whether or not the compilation of the JST by the RLDS church was indeed accurate and, possibly, to avoid simply accepting the JST as espoused by the RLDS church (relations have not always been good), perhaps the LDS church just used what it had.  That copyright has long since expired, and as recently as 2004 the LDS church, with full support from the Community of Christ church, produced a full facsimile of all the original manuscripts.  So why not adopt it now?  Here are some possible reasons why we have not adopted the JST:</p>
<ul>
<li>Tradishuuuuuun, tradishun!  Yep, the LDS church is very slow to part with tradition.  As we have officially used the KJV (with a few additions) for many years, and have gone to great lengths to print it and bind it, and have incorporated it into many lesson manuals, perhaps we are just sluggish to change.</li>
<li>Perhaps we are afraid of the label &#8220;Joseph Smith Translation.&#8221;  We already know that &#8220;translation&#8221; as used in other contexts is a stretch, so maybe we&#8217;re nervous about adopting another, possibly erroneous &#8220;translation.&#8221;</li>
<li>Maybe there is some interest in differentiating ourselves from the CoC church.  After all, from an LDS perspective, it would be easy to view the CoC church as having gone astray.  If we adopt their book, who knows what will happen.</li>
<li>There may be changes in the full JST that cast doubt on LDS church policies, procedures, rules, revelations, culture, etc.  (I have not read the full JST so this may be a stretch).</li>
<li>Doctrinal salmagundi was the <em>modus operandi</em> in Joseph&#8217;s day, but today&#8217;s church is quite sensitive to new, unprecendented doctrine and/or changes.  We seem to be moving  <strong>toward</strong> mainstream Christianity, and adopting the JST might send us in the other direction.</li>
</ul>
<p>So what do you think?  Was the JST really a &#8220;translation&#8221; in the sense that Joseph was trying to restore the text to the original, and is this even a useful thing to do for Mormonism?  Or was Joseph really more interested in getting to what he believed Jesus actually taught?  Why do you think the LDS church has not adopted the JST? </p>
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		<title>The Mormon Therapist on Kids Talking Anatomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha Helfer Parker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of experience working with LDS members. Here she shares with us representative cases from her practice and insights she has gained from her work as a therapist.  She blogs at mormontherapist.blogspot.com. So here&#8217;s a conversation I wasn&#8217;t expecting the other morning started by my 3-year old son and joined in by my 5-year old son as they were getting dressed for the day. 3: &#8220;Mommy, what is this?&#8221; Lifting his penis and touching his testes. I feel my anxiety rising a bit but try to remember what I preach about staying calm and honest regarding sex ed. &#8220;Those are your testes.&#8221; 3: &#8220;Testes?&#8221; Repeated this word several times giggling. &#8220;Yup.&#8221; 5: &#8220;Do I have testes too?&#8221; &#8220;Yes.&#8221; 5: &#8220;Where?&#8221; &#8220;Under your penis &#8211; they kind of feel like small balls.&#8221; 3: Giving his own personal demonstration: &#8220;See, right here!&#8221; 3: &#8220;Do you have testes, Mommy?&#8221; &#8220;No, only boys have testes.&#8221; 5: &#8220;What do you have?&#8221; &#8220;I have a vagina and a vulva. Boys have a penis and testes.&#8221; 5: &#8220;What&#8217;s a vagina and vulva?&#8221; This is when I realize we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family  Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of experience working  with LDS members. Here she shares with us representative cases from her  practice and insights she has gained from her work as a therapist.  She  blogs at <a href="http://mormontherapist.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">mormontherapist.blogspot.com</a>.</em></p>
<p>So here&#8217;s a conversation I wasn&#8217;t expecting the other morning started by my 3-year old son and joined in by my 5-year old son as they were getting dressed for the day.</p>
<p>3: &#8220;Mommy, what is this?&#8221; Lifting his penis and touching his testes.<br />
I feel my anxiety rising a bit but try to remember what I preach about staying calm and honest regarding sex ed.<br />
<span id="more-11271"></span>&#8220;Those are your testes.&#8221;<br />
3: &#8220;Testes?&#8221; Repeated this word several times giggling.<br />
&#8220;Yup.&#8221;<br />
5: &#8220;Do I have testes too?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Yes.&#8221;<br />
5: &#8220;Where?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Under your penis &#8211; they kind of feel like small balls.&#8221;<br />
3: Giving his own personal demonstration: &#8220;See, right here!&#8221;<br />
3: &#8220;Do you have testes, Mommy?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No, only boys have testes.&#8221;<br />
5: &#8220;What do you have?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I have a vagina and a vulva. Boys have a penis and testes.&#8221;<br />
5: &#8220;What&#8217;s a vagina and vulva?&#8221;<br />
This is when I realize we are in for the long haul.<br />
&#8220;The vagina is a special hole that girls have. It is the hole that babies come out of. My vulva is what you can see from the outside &#8211; just like you can see your penis.&#8221;<br />
5: &#8220;Do I have a special hole?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well, we all have a hole in our bottom where our poopies come out of. Boys and girls. But only girls have the hole where babies come out of and that&#8217;s the vagina.&#8221;<br />
3: &#8220;Vagina?&#8221; Likes to repeat things.<br />
5: &#8220;Why do I have testes?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;That&#8217;s where boys keep sperm.&#8221;<br />
5: &#8220;What&#8217;s sperm?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;They are like seeds that you will use someday to make a baby. Someday when you are a grown-up you&#8217;ll probably want to get married and have a family.&#8221;<br />
5: &#8220;Does Daddy have sperm?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Yup.&#8221;<br />
At which point they are both satisfied and probably even bored with our conversation and run off together to play and eat cereal.<br />
Phew! I survived. <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Developmentally speaking, these are the ages when boys and girls start having normal and appropriate curiosity regarding their bodies and to develop the sense of what makes them different from the opposite gender. It is also when they are wanting to see a connection to their same-gender parent. My hope is that by offering correct terminology, by controlling my anxiety, and by being willing to answer questions simply but accurately we can start this lifelong process of sexual education. I&#8217;m hoping I can take every opportunity my children give me to make an impact on healthy sexuality. Most of these opportunities are not &#8220;planned&#8221; events. They just happen in our day-to-day lives.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts about how I handled this situation? Do you agree or disagree with my approach? Are there similar stories in your parenting experience? How did you handle them? Are there things you would have said differently? I welcome all comments&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Reflections on Mormon May Day</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[by Jason B. (Mormon May Day was an international response to recent statements by latter-day McCarthyist Glenn Beck that social justice was a code word for communism; and that anyone involved in a church that preached such a deceptive perversion of the Gospel should leave their congregation and find a new place to worship. Participants in Mormon May Day held teach-ins and discussions around the topic of Social Justice and the Gospel on May 1, participated in a fast, and then bore testimony on May 2 in wards around the country.) Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion! Wo be unto him that crieth: all is Well! (2 Nephi 28:24-25) The reactions to Mormon May Day were overwhelmingly positive. People came out of the wood work to tell us how much they appreciated our efforts to assert a place in Mormon culture for liberals and radicals. Many people told me that had they known that there were people like us in the church they may not have left. While it became crystal clear to me that our work is sorely needed in the church, some members reacted with sincere curiosity. They had never noticed politics in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by Jason B.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.mormonmayday.org/">Mormon May Day </a>was an international response to recent statements by latter-day McCarthyist Glenn Beck that social justice was a code word for communism; and that anyone involved in a church that preached such a deceptive perversion of the Gospel should leave their congregation and find a new place to worship. Participants in Mormon May Day held teach-ins and discussions around the topic of Social Justice and the Gospel on May 1, participated in a fast, and then bore testimony on May 2 in wards around the country.)<span id="more-11337"></span></p>
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<p><em>Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion! Wo be unto him that crieth: all is Well!</em> (2 Nephi 28:24-25)</p>
<p>The reactions to Mormon May Day were overwhelmingly positive. People came out of the wood work to tell us how much they appreciated our efforts to assert a place in Mormon culture for liberals and radicals. Many people told me that had they known that there were people like us in the church they may not have left. While it became crystal clear to me that our work is sorely needed in the church, some members reacted with sincere curiosity. They had never noticed politics in church, and indeed many consider themselves ‘apolitical’. With these brothers and sisters in mind, the purpose of this post is to better articulate a deep frustration that many liberal and radical Mormons feel when they attend church. That frustration boils down to the fact that moral issues of the political right are constructed as moral absolutes, while the moral issues of the political left are either dismissed as misguided or minimized to the agency of an individual’s personal spirituality. This usually means they don’t get much air time in general conference, Sunday School or Priesthood/Relief Society. This leaves us with a problem: many Mormons feel that their interpretations of the Gospel are not valid because they do not fall within the contemporary orbit of conservative morality.</p>
<p>Here is what I mean.</p>
<p><em>Homosexuality and Protecting the Family </em></p>
<p>In the 2008 debate over gay marriage in California, the LDS church actively campaigned all over the state to defeat a California Supreme court ruling that legalized gay marriage. For many of us from California who sympathize with gay rights, we were horrified as testimony meetings and Sunday school lessons were filled to the brim with election slogans about protecting the family. The family, the rhetoric goes, is under attack from those who would expand the definition of marriage and it is our sacred duty to defeat this most recent affront. Using the civil rights struggles of our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters as a measure of the strength of families is an excellent example of how a seemingly politically neutral and core aspect of the Gospel such as the family is framed in the moral language of the political right.</p>
<p>Now, this is not a polemical retort against the erosion of family values. I too believe that the family is being weakened, but my worldview causes me to look for the cause in a very different place than those on the political right. It seems to me that if we want to talk seriously about protecting the family as the basic institution of society, then perhaps we should start with the historical impact that free market capitalism has had on the family over the past 200 years. The massive upheavals that occurred in Europe and America—which are being repeated all over the globe through the globalization of production—are a result of the need for a landless and mobile labor force. It is easy for former CEOs and bootstrap entrepreneurs to wax moral about spending more time with our families while their workers scrape by on 60 hours a week. In this sense France is a more family friendly country than ours! Their workers fought for and won generous vacations with pay, universal healthcare, childcare, a 35 work week and living wages. If we are serious about protecting the family why not address issues that allow families to be together more rather than scapegoat the gay community.</p>
<p><em>Socialism </em></p>
<p>Glenn Beck follows a long line of Mormon cold warriors. But depending on who you talk to, Mormon radicals may agree with the sentiment that we need to limit the government’s role in our lives. Indeed, many of us at the Mormon Worker would like to eliminate it completely in favor of United Order style communes in every watershed.</p>
<p>While there is a spectrum of opinions on the Mormon left with respect to the proper role of the federal government, many of use see the words of 5 time socialist presidential candidate Eugene Debs as representing the true spirit of socialism; not as an absolutist political ideology but as a powerful call to live as Christ taught. While being tried for sedition, Debs, in response to his charges defiantly said:</p>
<p>“I am opposing a social order in which it is possible for one man who does absolutely nothing that is useful to amass a fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars, while millions of men and women who work all the days of their lives secure barely enough for a wretched existence. Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind then that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it; and while there is a criminal element, I am of it; and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free” (Sept. 18<sup>th</sup> 1918).</p>
<p>Deb’s stirring words are unmistakably inspired by the Sermon on the Mount, and when some of us proclaim sympathy with socialism, that is what we mean. None of us are suggesting that the Gospel is socialist, but there are certainly legitimate overlaps in the call for a classless society and an end to exploitation and Christ’s message of equality and love. Rather than mythologizing the cold war in pre-mortal rhetoric about free agency which implies God’s divine sanction of capitalism, perhaps we should take the words of Catholic Worker founder, Peter Maurin more seriously:</p>
<p>“Christianity has nothing to do</p>
<p>with either modern capitalism</p>
<p>or modern Communism,</p>
<p>for Christianity has</p>
<p>a capitalism of its own</p>
<p>and a communism of its own.</p>
<p>Modern capitalism</p>
<p>is based on property without responsibility,</p>
<p>while Christian capitalism is based on property with responsibility.</p>
<p>Modern communism</p>
<p>is based on poverty through force</p>
<p>while Christian communism</p>
<p>is based on poverty through choice.</p>
<p>For a Christian,</p>
<p>voluntary poverty is the ideal</p>
<p>as exemplified by St. Francis of Assisi,</p>
<p>while private property</p>
<p>is not an absolute right, but a gift</p>
<p>which as such can not be wasted,</p>
<p>but must be administered</p>
<p>for the benefit of God’s children.”</p>
<p><em>Ecology </em></p>
<p>We learn in D &amp; C 58:16-20 that the good things of the earth are made to “please the eye, gladden the heart” in addition to the more utilitarian “food and raiment”; and despite being granted full access to the abundance of the earth, we are not to use it “to excess, neither by extortion.” It is significant to me that Joseph Smith’s vision took place in a forest which to us is now a Sacred Grove. What an inspiring refutation of the colonial Christian ambivalence toward nature and the “dark woods” to begin the last dispensation in a grove of trees; a stark rebuke to the Western world when that grove was filled with light on that morning in 1820. Soon thereafter nature would be reenchanted by the transcendentalist, wilderness and environmental movements.</p>
<p>For these reasons, it seems clear that the environmental crisis is a <em>moral</em> crisis; perhaps the most serious our civilization has ever faced. It will not be solved through legislation or adjustments to our consumption habits. So, when I attend church and don’t hear it addressed with unequivocal condemnation I feel confused. Isn’t our duty to care for the earth and each other as important as protecting the family, paying tithing, reading the scriptures, avoiding rated-R movies, family prayer, etc.? While policy prescriptions may be bitterly partisan, the fact remains that our stewardship over the earth’s bounty is a moral responsibility one that deserves the full attention of moral language.</p>
<p><em>War</em></p>
<p>Another area where liberal and radical members feel silenced and marginalized is around war and violence. Many church leaders grew up during an era of honorable war; of self-sacrifice for a national cause. However, many in the rising generation feel much more skeptical of leaders who proclaim just war. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan simply do not fit the narrative of an honorable war in defense of freedom. For many of us they were geopolitical maneuvering that had more to do with oil than bringing freedom to the downtrodden. Many of us were not only critical of the war, but participated in protests and other actions against the war. These actions were carried out not in spite of our religious conviction but because of them and are driven by the admonition in D&amp;C 98:16 to “renounce war and proclaim peace.”</p>
<p>The invasion of Iraq especially, mirrors the kind of preemptive and unrighteous war that is harshly condemned in the Book of Mormon. For many of us, being a pacifist, or nearly so, is a core moral issue and to hear members of the church denounce those who would oppose the war as unpatriotic or worse bad Mormons is disconcerting. Let us be consistently pro-life; valuing not just the lives of unborn children, but also the lives of Iraqi men, women and children caught in the middle of an unjust and illegal occupation.</p>
<p><em>Healthcare </em></p>
<p>In Mosiah 4 we read that all the prayer and pious action in world mean nothing if we do not have charity and act upon it. One item on an oft repeated list of charitable to-do’s is “visiting the sick and administering to their relief.” We live in a country where over 40 million people do not have health insurance. Regardless of who you believe should administer healthcare, this is a massive failure on our part to live up to this Gospel commandment. Why, when we read that scripture do we not see the faces of those who cannot afford healthcare? We have allowed the polarizing rhetoric of big vs. small government obscure our duty to the sick.</p>
<p><strong>God’s Politics </strong></p>
<p>Christianity is supposed to transcend <em>party</em> politics, but that does not mean the Gospel is apolitical. Christ did not join Judas and the Zealots or the Essenes in the desert, but he adamantly critiqued the Sadducees and Pharisees for their blatant hypocrisy and priest craft. And while communism may very well have been Satan’s counterfeit, his real genius may have been setting it up as a straw man so that capitalism could slip in the back door. The Gospel is a worldview, not a hobby and I reject any neat delineation of my life as a citizen and my life as a Latter-day Saint. By decontextualizing the scriptures and church history and de-politicizing religious-right moral issues, contemporary Latter-day Saints have (whether they intended to or not) marginalized those who would interpret the Gospel through a distinct political worldview. To argue that the way the Gospel in talked about in church is apolitical or neutral is naïve and disingenuous at best.</p>
<p>Now, let me be clear, I am not calling for an extension of the cultural divide between American liberals and conservatives into the church; as should be clear I am opposed to using the Gospel to justify <em>any</em> political ideology. But as reverend Jim Wallis points out in his amazing book <em>God’s Politics</em>, the separation of church and state, does not mean the separation of our faith from our public life. As Wallis points out, there needs to be a coming together of moral issues on the left and right framed in religious language. This kind of politics, God’s Politics, “would not be an endless argument between personal and social responsibility, but a weaving of the two together in search of the common good” (76). While, it has been my purpose to expose the political bias of some seemingly apolitical aspects of Mormon culture, I am in agreement with Wallis that the Gospel is not republican or democrat, but a call to radical charity that includes both individual ethics and social justice.</p>
<p>Mormon May Day was meant to bring attention to a problem within Mormon culture. It was not about confrontation or criticism of Church leaders. When liberal and radical Mormons leave the Church we all loose a unique and valid perspective on the Gospel. I am pleading with Mormon culture to recognize many of the above issues as equally important to our salvation. I am also calling on liberal and radical Mormons to step out of their comfort zones and begin to open our mouths in church settings on topics that we feel passionately about and which are central to Christ’s message.</p>
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		<title>The Death of McConkie&#8217;s Mormon Doctrine</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night on KUTV in Utah, an announcement was made which signals the end of an era.  It was reported that Bruce R. McConkie&#8217;s Mormon Doctrine will no longer be published by the Church, and that it will not be sold by Deseret Book.  Since I didn&#8217;t see the newscast, I&#8217;m not sure what reasons were given, but one viewer stated, &#8220;Why? For tighter correlative control, because of the book&#8217;s embarrassing clarity, and because of some controversial assertions in the book.&#8221;  He also said that the publisher asserted the book was withdrawn because of poor sales. Sandra Tanner was interviewed on the 5:30 segment of the news, with her collection of every edition of McConkie&#8217;s book.  She provided me with her view of the decision: I believe the main reason McConkie&#8217;s &#8220;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; was taken out of print was due to its candid discussion of LDS doctrines that the church is now trying to hide. Such teachings as God once being a man, his wife&#8211;Heavenly Mother, and Jesus being the literal, physical son of God are just a few of the doctrines that are being minimized in current manuals. If the LDS Church felt &#8220;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; presented a faulty compilation [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" src="http://www.gospelink.com/images/books/569.jpg" alt="" width="124" height="180" />Last night on KUTV in Utah, an announcement was made which signals the end of an era.  It was reported that Bruce R. McConkie&#8217;s <em>Mormon Doctrine</em> will no longer be published by the Church, and that it will not be sold by Deseret Book.  Since I didn&#8217;t see the newscast, I&#8217;m not sure what reasons were given, but one viewer stated, &#8220;Why? For tighter correlative control, because of the book&#8217;s embarrassing clarity, and because of some controversial assertions in the book.&#8221;  He also said that the publisher asserted the book was withdrawn because of poor sales.<span id="more-11320"></span><!--more--></p>
<p>Sandra Tanner was interviewed on the 5:30 segment of the news, with her collection of every edition of McConkie&#8217;s book.  She provided me with her view of the decision:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I believe the main reason McConkie&#8217;s &#8220;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; was taken out of print was due to its candid discussion of LDS doctrines that the church is now trying to hide. Such teachings as God once being a man, his wife&#8211;Heavenly Mother, and Jesus being the literal, physical son of God are just a few of the doctrines that are being minimized in current manuals. If the LDS Church felt &#8220;Mormon Doctrine&#8221; presented a faulty compilation of their doctrines, why haven&#8217;t they issued an authorized compendium of their beliefs? Mormons often say to me, &#8220;That&#8217;s not official doctrine&#8221; as though there was some place to look up the official teachings. Where is the official systematic theology of Mormonism?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Interestingly, <a href="http://connect2utah.com/">KUTV has posted</a> their news stories from last night online, omitting any mention of this segment.  There is speculation that it was held due to criticism of the way it was reported.  We will update you here as more details become available.</p>
<p>Written in 1958, <em>Mormon Doctrine</em> has served as a reference book for members of the Church for over 50 years, but has recently gone out of vogue.  References to McConkie&#8217;s work were taken out of the Gospel Principles manual when it was reissued this year for use in Priesthood and Relief Society classes.  Now it seems it is being further phased out.  It is only surprising that this has not been done before, since <em>Mormon Doctrine</em> has not enjoyed the support of every member of the highest Church Councils over the years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hold a little &#8220;In Memoriam&#8221; session here at Mormon Matters for Bruce R. McConkie&#8217;s <em>Mormon Doctrine</em>.  It was the first book I ever purchased when a brand-new convert in 1979, in the authoritative-looking black-and-gold binding. It was the perfect place for a convert to go for a source of Church teachings in a pre-internet age.  Thus, it shaped much of my early thinking about the Church.  This was the third edition, having been revised to be &#8220;more moderate&#8221; in 1966, and then again in 1978 after the Priesthood revelation.  Much of the Bible Dictionary in our current editions of the LDS scriptures come directly from <em>Mormon Doctrine</em>.  McConkie himself described it as &#8220;the first major attempt to digest, explain, and analyze all of the important doctrines of the kingdom&#8221; and &#8220;the first extensive compendium of the whole gospel—the first attempt to publish an encyclopedic commentary covering the whole field of revealed religion.&#8221;  Its teachings have had a major impact upon several generations of Latter-day Saints.</p>
<p>How have you been impacted by Mormon Doctrine?</p>
<h4><strong>Update</strong>: The story is now up at <a href="http://connect2utah.com/news-story/?nxd_id=89525">Connect2Utah</a>.</h4>
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		<title>The Repentant Sinner &#8211; Extreme Edition! (aka too many rules)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suzy: Dad, I&#8217;m sorry I scratched the couch! Dad: It&#8217;s okay, just don&#8217;t do it again. 2 minutes later Suzy: Dad, I&#8217;m sorry I picked my nose. Dad: Yeah, we don&#8217;t pick our noses or they bleed. 2 minutes later Suzy: Dad, I&#8217;m sorry I kicked the chair. Dad: Yeah, it&#8217;s okay, don&#8217;t worry about it. repeat ad nauseum next day Suzy: Mom, I need to tell you a secret. Mom: Suzy, if you&#8217;re saying sorry for something, I don&#8217;t want to hear it! Suzy: I won&#8217;t mom, I just need to tell you a secret. Mom: okay Suzy: Mom, I&#8217;m sorry I jumped on the floor. Mom: Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! repeat ad nauseum for 2 weeks on a car ride home one afternoon Suzy: Dad, I need to tell you something Dad: Sure Suzy, what is it? Suzy: I&#8217;m sorry I kicked the seat in the truck Dad: Okay, thanks for telling me, just don&#8217;t kick it anymore. dad turns on music Suzy: Dad&#8230;Dad&#8230;DAD! dad turns down music Dad: Yes Suzy? Suzy: I&#8217;m sorry I pulled out one of my hairs. Dad: Okay, okay, just try to sit there and listen to the music. dad turns music back up repeat, AGAIN, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Suzy: Dad, I&#8217;m sorry I scratched the couch!<br />
Dad: It&#8217;s okay, just don&#8217;t do it again.<br />
<em>2 minutes later</em><br />
Suzy: Dad, I&#8217;m sorry I picked my nose.<br />
Dad: Yeah, we don&#8217;t pick our noses or they bleed.<br />
<em>2 minutes later</em><br />
Suzy: Dad, I&#8217;m sorry I kicked the chair.<br />
Dad: Yeah, it&#8217;s okay, don&#8217;t worry about it.<br />
<em>repeat ad nauseum</em><br />
<em>next day</em><br />
Suzy: Mom, I need to tell you a secret.<span id="more-11180"></span><br />
Mom: Suzy, if you&#8217;re saying sorry for something, I don&#8217;t want to hear it!<br />
Suzy: I won&#8217;t mom, I just need to tell you a secret.<br />
Mom: okay<br />
Suzy: Mom, I&#8217;m sorry I jumped on the floor.<br />
Mom: Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
<em>repeat ad nauseum for 2 weeks</em><br />
<em>on a car ride home one afternoon</em><br />
Suzy: Dad, I need to tell you something<br />
Dad: Sure Suzy, what is it?<br />
Suzy: I&#8217;m sorry I kicked the seat in the truck<br />
Dad: Okay, thanks for telling me, just don&#8217;t kick it anymore.<br />
<em>dad turns on music</em><br />
Suzy: Dad&#8230;Dad&#8230;DAD!<br />
<em>dad turns down music</em><br />
Dad: Yes Suzy?<br />
Suzy: I&#8217;m sorry I pulled out one of my hairs.<br />
Dad: Okay, okay, just try to sit there and listen to the music.<br />
<em>dad turns music back up</em><br />
<em>repeat, AGAIN, ad nauseum (yes, my child is obsessive/compulsive)</em><br />
Suzy: Dad&#8230;Dad&#8230;Dad&#8230;<br />
<em>dad is ignoring 5 year old</em><br />
Suzy: DAAAADDDDDD!!!!<br />
<em>dad turns off music</em><br />
Dad: WHAT!  If you tell me you&#8217;re sorry one more, I&#8217;m gonna lose it!<br />
Suzy: I&#8217;m sorry I wiped a booger on the seat.<br />
Dad: Look, Suzy, you don&#8217;t have to say sorry for everything okay!<br />
Suzy: But dad, I&#8217;m supposed to say sorry when I do something wrong.<br />
Dad: <em>speechless</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on my daughter&#8217;s case since she was born.  &#8220;Don&#8217;t do that!&#8221;  &#8220;Knock it off!&#8221; etc.  She also has learned to say sorry when she does something wrong.  Honestly, I never thought this would come back to haunt me in quite this way!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve laid out so many things that she should and shouldn&#8217;t do, and she violates so many of them just by nature of being a kid.  But it was getting extremely tedious when every time she opened her mouth we had a confessional!  I told her to stop apologizing all the time.  Of course that&#8217;s not really what I meant.  When she told me she was supposed to say sorry when she did something wrong, I simply didn&#8217;t know what to say.  Of course she should apologize when she does something wrong, but clearly not everything was wrong, or at least it wasn&#8217;t a big enough deal to warrant guilt and/or shame.  But is it a big deal?  I had taken the time to tell her (repeatedly) <strong>not</strong> to do those things in the past, how should she know what is a big deal and what is not?  How should she know when she&#8217;s apologizing too much, and which things warrant a real apology? How should she know which rules are really the important ones to keep, and which ones aren&#8217;t?  Perhaps I should have been more careful in my criticizing her actions.  Perhaps I should have just let some things slide, picking my battles more wisely.  After all, a parent can only handle so many confessionals!</p>
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		<title>Reform Mormonism a Poll</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 14:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have recently come across a group called Reform Mormonisim. I thought their views were interesting and as I mentally answered some of their questions here I was surprised how much of it resonated with me. What I did feel in the end after reading much of their thoughts and material is why bother!! Why not become a nontheist Unitarian. Is it worth all the effort when there must be other religions very close to the same theology? Hopefully we can get someone from their church to answer that question I have added a poll to this and must apologize to those at Reform Mormonism and to the readers at Mormon Matters in that they are totally paraphrased and maybe (unintentionally )taken out of context. So please go here to see them on their web page. What they believe here Reform Mormonism is a home-based, personal philosophy. A day of rest is held wherever one is at; there are no church services. Reform Mormonism does have special temple ordinances, that are designed to aide a person throughout their life, that are conducted in dedicated temple spaces. Unlike the LDS, they do not perform any temple ordinance for the deceased. Reformed [...]]]></description>
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<p>I have recently come across a group called <a title="Reform  Mormonism" href="http://www.reformmormonism.org/index.html">Reform Mormonisim</a>. I thought their views were interesting and as I mentally answered some of their questions <a href="http://www.reformmormonism.org/lib/youmight.htm">here</a> I was surprised how much of it resonated with me.<span id="more-10920"></span></p>
<p>What I did feel in the end after reading much of their thoughts and material is why bother!! Why not become a nontheist Unitarian. Is it worth all the effort when there must be other religions very close to the same theology? Hopefully we can get someone from their church to answer that question</p>
<p>I have added a poll to this and must apologize to those at Reform Mormonism and to the readers at Mormon Matters in that they are totally paraphrased and maybe (unintentionally )taken out of context. So please go <a href="http://www.reformmormonism.org/lib/youmight.htm">here</a> to see them on their web page.</p>
<p>What they believe <a href="http://www.reformmormonism.org/whatwebelieve.htm">here</a></p>
<p>Reform Mormonism is a home-based, personal philosophy. A day of  rest is       held wherever one is at; there are no church services. Reform  Mormonism       does have special temple ordinances, that are designed to aide a  person       throughout their life, that are conducted in dedicated temple  spaces. Unlike       the LDS, they do not perform any temple ordinance for the deceased.</p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial">Reformed Mormonism are  individuals who have moved away from organized  religion and have       found peace and satisfaction in concentrating on the important  things in       life. We&#8217;re just like you &#8211; parents, children, brothers, sisters,  friends       and partners. We&#8217;ve settled on a personal philosophy that makes  sense in       the 21st century. It&#8217;s personal,  important, and best of all, it  isn&#8217;t       scary like so many churches these days.</span></p>
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		<title>White and Delightsome or Pure and Delightsome? (Cognitive dissonance 2)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change. I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white. We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with. I guess I better get down to what [...]]]></description>
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<p>I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change.<span id="more-10643"></span></p>
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<p>I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white.</p>
<p>We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with.</p>
<p>I guess I better get down to what has caused my dissonance.   Here are some statements by the prophets about a Book of Mormon passage found in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+ne+30:6&amp;do=Search">2 Nephi 30:6</a> regarding a change Lamanites would experience if they embraced the Book of Mormon.  In every edition save one (1840), the words &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; were used.  In the 1981 edition, the editors reverted to the 1840 edition&#8217;s &#8220;pure and delightsome&#8221; wording.</p>
<p><strong>Prophet Statements</strong></p>
<p><strong>President Brigham Young </strong><br />
&#8220;You may inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines of this country are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation &#8230;When the Lord has a people, he makes covenants with them and gives unto them promises: then, if they transgress his law, change his ordinances, and break his covenants he has made with them, he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites and other portions of the house of Israel; but by-and-by they will become a white and delightsome people.&#8221; (Journal of Discourses 7:336)</p>
<p><strong>W.W. Phelps to Brigham Young quoting Joseph Smith: </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;It is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites that their posterity, may become white, delightsome and just.&#8217;&#8221; In the 8 December 1831 Ohio Star, Ezra Booth wrote of a revelation directing Mormon elders to marry with the &#8220;natives.&#8221; (Sunstone, November 1993, footnote #5, pg. 52)</p>
<p><strong>Apostle Spencer W. Kimball</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today&#8230;. The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl&#8211;sixteen&#8211;sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents&#8211;on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather&#8230;.These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.&#8221; (Apostle Elder Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967)</p>
<p><strong>2 Nephi 5:21</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 <strong>Nephi 2:12-15</strong> teaches that dark-skinned Lamanites who converted unto the Lord had their curse taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;White&#8221; versus &#8220;Pure&#8221; (Maxwell Institute)</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>According to the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon, Nephi, speaking of the latter-day restoration, discussed the future conversion of Lehi&#8217;s descendants: &#8220;And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people&#8221; (2 Nephi 30:6). In 1840 the Book of Mormon was &#8220;carefully revised by the translator,&#8221; Joseph Smith, and in that edition the expression &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; was changed to &#8220;pure and delightsome.&#8221; This change seems to reflect the Prophet&#8217;s concern that modern readers might misinterpret this passage as a reference to racial changes rather than to changes in righteousness. Possibly his sojourns in Ohio and Missouri had altered his perspective of the racial connotations of the term <em>white</em> in the contemporary United States, particularly among slaves and slaveholders. He may not have gained much understanding of this matter during his upbringing in New England and New York State, where slavery was not as common.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for subsequent Latter-day Saint interpreters, following the Prophet&#8217;s death the changes in the 1840 edition of the Book of Mormon were not carried over into subsequent printings, which were instead based on an edition prepared by the Twelve Apostles in Great Britain after a copy of an earlier edition. The apostles, being in England, were not familiar with the 1840 edition. Consequently, Latter-day Saints did not reap the benefit of the Prophet&#8217;s clarification until it was restored in the 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon.  Some critics have been fond of citing statements of earlier Latter-day Saint leaders, who once interpreted 2 Nephi 30:6 to mean that conversion leads to a change of skin color; however, to use such statements today is anachronistic at best and disingenuous at worst since these statements were all expressed previous to the 1981 correction and merely echo a misinterpretation of the Book of Mormon text rather than the authoritative text itself. Moreover, a change in Lamanite skin color was clearly never intended by the &#8220;white/pure and delightsome&#8221; passage that the Prophet Joseph modified because it does not refer to the Lamanites at all, but to the Nephites and Jews in the latter days who turn to Christ (see 2 Nephi 30:1—7).</p>
<p>But is the Prophet&#8217;s change from &#8220;white&#8221; to &#8220;pure&#8221; justified in the scriptural context? The answer is yes. The terms <em>white</em> and <em>pure</em> are used synonymously in Daniel 7:9, Revelation 15:6, and Doctrine and Covenants 110:3. They are also found together in a number of passages where they clearly refer to those who are purified and redeemed by Christ (Alma 5:24; 13:12; 32:42; Mormon 9:6; D&amp;C 20:6). Similarly, Mormon expressed the hope that the Nephites &#8220;may once again be a delightsome people&#8221; (Words of Mormon 1:8).</p></blockquote>
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<p>Where I have dissonance or questions</p>
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<li>Is from how I understand the Book of Mormon and statements of past prophets contradict our view of it being pure today.</li>
<li>There has been no church conference talk that I am aware of clarifying the teachings of the past prophets i.e. President Kimball white vs pure. Many members I would suggest aren’t clear on our past beliefs and our current progressive belief on pure.</li>
<li>If these were president Kimball’s own personal views why haven’t the church come out with a statement expounding on this?</li>
<li>As a church, are we resolute that this was a clarification of the word white &#8212; never meant to refer to a person with dark skin pigmentation who would turn white upon a conversion to the gospel; but referring to a cleaner state of heart? This hypothesis in my mind fails to make clear other passages in the Book of Mormon that still make a connection with &#8220;iniquity&#8221; and skin color. See, for example, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=2+ne+30:6&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=2+ne+5:21%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=">2 Nephi 5:21</a> as well as past prophet statements.</li>
<li>Why did it take God 140 years to clarify this misunderstanding?</li>
<li>If we quote what President Kimball said in 1967 conference would we be considered anachronistic today?</li>
<li>Is FARMS saying Apostle Kimball’s views are out of date , old fashioned, obsolete?</li>
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		<title>What Dreams May Come</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #12 Whether dreams come from the unconscious mind or directly from God, they are valuable sources of revelation. Dreams can tell us important things about ourselves and our relationships that may remain veiled deep in the psyche if we are unskilled at interpreting the symbolic language from which they present. The great attainment of Joseph of Egypt and the message this scriptural character brings to readers of the Old Testament is the importance of developing an ability to decode symbolic dream messages and using them to integrate our conscious and subconscious knowledge. Joseph had a huge, almost megalomaniac faith in his interpretations of dreams.  Early in his life he risked the rebuke and envy of his father and brothers to describe to them the images of the sheaves and the sun, moon, and stars bowing down to him.  Later, when interpreting the dreams of the chief butler and baker, he attributed his interpretations to God, even though he had no evidence this was so.  His own dreams seemed refuted &#8212; far from bowing to him, his brothers sold him into Egypt and he had been cast into prison.  His confidence reminds me of Joseph Smith&#8217;s great intrepidity [...]]]></description>
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<p>Whether dreams come from the unconscious mind or directly from God, they are valuable sources of revelation.  Dreams can tell us important things about ourselves and our relationships that may remain veiled deep in the psyche if we are unskilled at interpreting the symbolic language from which they present.  The great attainment of Joseph of Egypt and the message this scriptural character brings to readers of the Old Testament is the importance of developing an ability to decode symbolic dream messages and using them to integrate our conscious and subconscious knowledge.<span id="more-10181"></span></p>
<p>Joseph had a huge, almost megalomaniac faith in his interpretations of dreams.  Early in his life he risked the rebuke and envy of his father and brothers to describe to them the images of the sheaves and the sun, moon, and stars bowing down to him.  Later, when interpreting the dreams of the chief butler and baker, he attributed his interpretations to God, even though he had no evidence this was so.  His own dreams seemed refuted &#8212; far from bowing to him, his brothers sold him into Egypt and he had been cast into prison.  His confidence reminds me of Joseph Smith&#8217;s great intrepidity regarding his own visions:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;For I had seen a vision; I knew it and I knew that God knew it, and I could not deny it&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph Smith once said, after reading Foxe&#8217;s Book of the Martyrs, that he had &#8220;seen those martyrs, and they were honest, devoted followers of Christ, according to the light they possessed, and they will be saved&#8221;  He also saw in vision marchers in Zion&#8217;s Camp who had perished from cholera in Clay County, Missouri. He encouraged the survivors of that endeavor, saying, &#8220;Brethren, I have seen those men who died of the cholera in our camp; and the Lord knows, if I get a mansion as bright as theirs, I ask no more&#8221; .  He foresaw the struggles of the Saints in crossing the plains, their establishment in the Rocky Mountains, and the future condition of the Saints.  Of these and many other spiritual manifestations he remarked, &#8220;It is my meditation all the day &amp; more than my meat &amp; drink to know how I shall make the saints of God to comprehend the visions that roll like an overflowing surge, before my mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph of Egypt had this same certainty regarding communications from God through the medium of dreams.  When finally brought before Pharoah, he reiterated his assertion that certain dreams are communications from the Divine:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharoah twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.&#8221;</p>
<p>This assurance seems incredible when taken into account that his own early dream had also been repeated twice but not yet brought to pass.</p>
<p>Today we have varying degrees of confidence in the interpretation of our own spiritual experiences.  Some are unimpressed by the fleeting images that pass through their minds in a somnolent state.  But others become adept at the language of symbolism.  They confidently assign meanings to everything from dreams to emotional impressions, and use these to order their actions and their lives.  Psychologists have noted that people tend to dream in images that are familiar to them in their culture.  For example, Native Americans may dream about the spirits of animals and the world of nature, Catholics envision the Virgin Mary, Mormons have visitations involving the temple and their dead ancestors.  This can facilitate dream interpretation, but it can also obscure it, because the images are so familiar that we don&#8217;t look deeply at the meaning behind the symbol.  In our modern world, we have emphasized the logical mind so much that we have lost the sensitivity to understand primal and pictoral forms and symbols, even those with which we are well-versed.</p>
<p>Often our lesson manuals apply the scriptural stories to the modern audience, as was done in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7255c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 11</a>.  Here Joseph&#8217;s rejection of Potiphar&#8217;s wife is presented as an example for the righteous member to follow in avoiding moral transgression.  I am curious why, in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=a183c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 12</a>, although Joseph&#8217;s dreams play a prominent part in the lesson material, the class member is not encouraged to become more adept in interpreting dreams and visions or even to pay closer attention to unconscious symbolic messages.  Moving away from the esoteric, the manual broadly associates the scriptural passage in Genesis 40-41 with &#8220;talents,&#8221; and asks:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">How can we give proper acknowledgment to the Lord for our talents and gifts? (We can use them to glorify God and bless others, not for our own glory.)</p>
<p>In the early days of the Church Joseph Smith reprimanded some of the members for using messages from their dreams and visions improperly.  Do we fear this will happen if we freely encourage the widespread scrutiny of these types of unconscious messages?  What does this tell us about our confidence in recognizing inspiration from the Divine?</p>
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		<title>Joseph Smith Didn&#8217;t Believe in Watchers</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #6 Hidden in our scripture reading for this week is a strange little passage which many modern Biblical scholars say was originally intended to explain the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of angelic beings with human wives.  These verses in Genesis stirred a lively debate among early Christian theologians as they struggled to explain why God felt it necessary to cleanse the Earth with a worldwide Flood.  It all starts with this odd passage inserted in the account before Noah built his vessel, the great ark. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose&#8230;There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination [...]]]></description>
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<p>Hidden in our scripture reading for this week is a strange little passage which many modern Biblical scholars say was originally intended to explain the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of angelic beings with human wives.  These verses in Genesis stirred a lively debate among early Christian theologians as they struggled to explain why God felt it necessary to cleanse the Earth with a worldwide Flood.   It all starts with this odd passage inserted in the account before Noah built his vessel, the great ark.<span id="more-9682"></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #993300;">And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose&#8230;There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:1-5)</span></p></blockquote>
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<p>This small passage has been the subject of much dispute in Christendom, and two main schools of exegesis have formed.  The <a href="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/">first and most popular</a> explains this passage as descriptive of disobedient angels (sometimes called Watchers) who descended from celestial realms and cohabitated with human women, producing a race of giants. Pseudopigraphic literature such as the Book of Enoch are dedicated to expanding this particular incident and serve as proof-tests for this theory. It is also similar in many respects to various myths of Near Eastern peoples.  This interpretation has spawned all kinds of new-age speculation on <a href="http://www.fallenwatchers.com/">alien races</a>, their interaction with antediluvian human beings, and modern-day abductions &#8212; but is actually the more conservative and accepted interpretation by the higher critics.</p>
<p>An <a href="http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/reprints/Sons-of-God-in-Genesis-6.pdf">alternate explanation</a> results by understanding the term &#8220;sons of God&#8221; to be the pious race descended from Seth, who sinned by marrying descendants of Cain, who would have been pagans. This is favored by some Christian groups who object to the idea that angels are physical or sexual beings. Many Jewish Biblical authorities prefer this explanation as well, to maintain an emphasis on one God.</p>
<p>The first explanation is definitely the cool one.  I would have thought that Joseph Smith would have been all over fallen angels, with his emphasis on the corporeality of divine beings.  But it turns out that Joseph didn&#8217;t believe in Watchers.  Hugh Nibley wrote an article explaining how Joseph&#8217;s theology in the Book of Moses provides a solution to the dilemma:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is the Joseph Smith Enoch which gives the most convincing solution: the beings who fell were not angels but men who had become sons of God. From the beginning, it tells us, mortal men could qualify as “sons of God,” beginning with Adam. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+6%3A68&amp;do=Search">Moses 6:68</a> How? By believing and entering the covenant. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+7%3A1&amp;do=Search">Moses 7:1</a> Thus when “Noah and his sons hearkened unto the Lord, and gave heed … they were called the sons of God.” <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+8%3A13&amp;do=Search">Moses 8:13</a> In short, the sons of God are those who accept and live by the law of God. When “the sons of men” (as Enoch calls them) broke their covenant, they still insisted on that exalted title: “Behold, we are the sons of God; have we not taken unto ourselves the daughters of men?” <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+8%3A21&amp;do=Search">Moses 8:21</a> (Hugh Nibley, “<a href="http://www.josephsmith.net/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=bcb81f26d596b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">A Strange Thing in the Land: The Return of the Book of Enoch</a>, Part 8,” Ensign, Dec 1976, 73)</p></blockquote>
<p>Joseph Smith&#8217;s unique Mormon spin on the <em>b’nei ha-Elohim</em> was that they were priesthood holders, and the covenant people of the Lord, who were defiling themselves by marrying out of the covenant.  Their resulting progeny were &#8220;Nephilim,&#8221; or &#8220;fallen ones.&#8221;  Joseph Fielding Smith later clarified the LDS interpretation of Genesis 6 when he scolded:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is a prevailing doctrine in the Christian world that these sons of God were heavenly beings who came down and married the daughters of men and thus came a superior race on the earth, the result bringing the displeasure of the Lord. This foolish notion is the result of lack of proper information, and because the correct information is not found in the Book of Genesis Christian peoples have been led astray.  The correct information regarding these unions is revealed in the inspired interpretation given to the Prophet Joseph Smith in the Book of Moses. Without doubt when this scripture was first written, it was perfectly clear, but scribes and translators in the course of time, not having divine inspiration, changed the meaning to conform to their incorrect understanding. These verses in the Prophet&#8217;s revision give us a correct meaning, and from them we learn why the Lord was angry with the people and decreed to shorten the span of life and to bring upon the world the flood of purification.  (Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 1: 136.)</p></blockquote>
<p>The doctrine is repeated in sermons in the Journal of Discourses, such as this one by Charles W. Penrose:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is stated that the iniquity of man was great, and God brought a flood on the earth. Now, to understand that correctly we have to know what kind of position those persons were in, and why they were called the &#8220;Sons of God.&#8221; Those men were in the same position as the Latter-day Saints. They were heirs to the Priesthood. They were the sons of God. They had obeyed the holy covenants. They had received the word of the Lord. They were consecrated to the Almighty. But they went outside of their covenants and their engagement with the Lord, and took wives of the daughters of men that were not in the covenant, and thus transgressed the law of God. The law of God in relation to this has been the same in all ages, and has been given to this people—that the sons of Israel shall wed the daughters of Israel, and shall not go out to wed with the stranger. These men did that, and God was displeased, as He is to-day with Latter-day Saints, who are called out of the world to be His servants, to be holy unto the Lord, to be clean because they bear the vessels of the Lord, when they go outside and wed with the stranger. (Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints' Book Depot, 1854-1886], 25: 228 &#8211; 229.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps because of its controversial nature Genesis 6:1-4 is often ignored when discussing the causes of the flood, even though the strong link between them has been noted in the past.  More fundamental religionists believe that this type of explanation of the Flood underscores the importance of maintaining racial and spiritual purity. God’s believing remnant must be preserved. When men failed to perceive the importance of this, God had to judge them severely.  In a Pearl of Great Price Institute Manual, President John Taylor is quoted, describing the Flood as an act of love, done for the benefit of that generation. By taking away their earthly existence God prevented them from entailing their sins upon their posterity and degenerating them.  An additional quotation from Joseph Fielding Smith applies this lesson to our day, saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Because the daughters of Noah married the sons of men contrary to the teachings of the Lord, his anger was kindled, and this offense was one cause that brought to pass the universal flood. . . . The daughters who had been born, evidently under the covenant, and were the daughters of the sons of God, that is to say of those who held the priesthood, were transgressing the commandment of the Lord and were marrying <em> out of the Church </em> . Thus they were cutting themselves off from the blessings of the priesthood contrary to the teachings of Noah and the will of God. . . .Today there are foolish daughters of those who hold this same priesthood who are violating this commandment and marrying the sons of men; there are also some of the sons of those who hold the priesthood who are marrying the daughters of men. All of this is contrary to the will of God just as much as it was in the days of Noah” (<a href="http://institute.lds.org/manuals/Pearl-of-Great-Price-Student-Manual/pgp-2-m8-01.asp">Pearl of Great Price Student Manual </a>- Religion 327)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, the Church still teaches that it is preferable not to marry outside of the covenant.  But we&#8217;re usually not so un-PC as to suggest that marrying non-members is an abominable sin that may cause mankind to be swept off the earth.  Some of you reading this post may not even agree that marrying outside the covenant is what brought a great judgment upon these people.  Once again, we&#8217;re seeing a shift in doctrine, to the point that some Latter-day Saint thinkers are again putting credence in the &#8220;Watcher&#8221; theory of Genesis 6.  Recent examples are posts by <a href="http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/2009/05/wait-thats-in-the-bible-celestial-sex/">Yellow Dart</a> at Faith Promoting Rumor, <a href="http://www.sethpayne.com/?p=798">Seth P</a>. at his blog, and <a href="http://www.heavenlyascents.com/2010/02/04/noah-prepared-an-ark-to-the-saving-of-his-house-old-testament-lesson-6/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HeavenlyAscents+%28Heavenly+Ascents%29">David Larsen</a> at Heavenly Ascents. In this, we&#8217;re not so different than the Christian world, where the debate continues.</p>
<p>Robert C. Newman points out some interesting facts concerning the current controversy:</p>
<blockquote><p>The present form of the debate is rather paradoxical. On the one hand, liberal theologians, who deny the miraculous, claim the account pictures a supernatural liaison between divine beings and humans. Conservative theologians, though believing implicitly in angels and demons, tend to deny the passage any such import. The liberal position is more understandable with the realisation that they deny the historicity of the incident and see it as a borrowing from pagan mythology. The rationale behind the conservative view is more complex: though partially a reaction to liberalism, the view is older than liberal theology.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why do you think our LDS bloggers are beginning to reconsider such an unusual theory?</p>
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		<title>Interfaith Marriages by guest Madam Curie</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A recent post by Cr@ig on Main Street Plaza caused me to reflect on the strength of interfaith marriages. I had hoped to generate a follow-up post on this topic at MSP. However, since the comments on the Cr@ig&#8217;s post devolved into a blame game of whether the believer or non-believer was more responsible for marital dissolution, I decided it was probably best to avoid a second opportunity for mud-slinging. Differences in religious belief can be the death knell to a marriage. For that reason, many organized religions strongly advocate against being &#8220;yoked with unbelievers&#8221;. This is not only a Mormon phenomenon; you see this in any faith tradition that teaches that they alone have exclusive access to God. Even before marriage, it is rare for the unmarried, devout Mormon to even consider dating (let alone marrying) a non-Mormon; most LDS women raised in the Church are taught from an early age to make a temple marriage to a returned missionary their primary goal. Likewise, in the Catholic Church, marriage to any non-Catholic (including Protestants!) is not permitted within a Catholic church building, and is not considered to be a Sacrament. In particularly conservative Catholic cultures, it really is considered [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1366">recent post by Cr@ig on Main Street Plaza</a> caused me to reflect on the strength of interfaith marriages. I had hoped to generate a follow-up post on <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/widget_aNmyKwVTviYyKT3urbhn6J.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-9568" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/widget_aNmyKwVTviYyKT3urbhn6J.jpg" alt="" width="232" height="232" /></a>this topic at MSP. However, since the comments on the Cr@ig&#8217;s post devolved into a blame game of whether the believer or non-believer was more responsible for marital dissolution, I decided it was probably best to avoid a second opportunity for mud-slinging.</p>
<p>Differences in religious belief can be the death knell to a marriage. For that reason, many organized religions strongly advocate against being &#8220;yoked with unbelievers&#8221;. This is not only a Mormon phenomenon; you see this in any faith tradition that teaches that they alone have exclusive access to God. Even before marriage, it is rare for the unmarried, devout Mormon to even consider dating (let alone marrying) a non-Mormon; most LDS women raised in the Church are taught from an early age to make a temple marriage to a returned missionary their primary goal.<span id="more-9567"></span></p>
<p>Likewise, in the Catholic Church, marriage to any non-Catholic (including Protestants!) is not permitted within a Catholic church building, and is not considered to be a Sacrament. In particularly conservative Catholic cultures, it really is considered a heresy to marry someone not of the (same rite of the) Catholic Church. Consider, for example, the movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding: Toula refuses to marry Protestant Ian until he joins the Greek Orthodox Church (thus leading to a humorous scene of Ian being baptized).</p>
<p>Similar to Mormon &#8216;Marriage Prep&#8217; and &#8216;Temple Prep&#8217; Sunday School courses, dating Catholic couples are required to pursue a several-month course of marriage preparations classes, known as Pre-Cana. Similar to Mormons, Catholics who have pre-marital sexual relations (usually known from the resulting offspring) cannot be married on Catholic church grounds. However, they can have their marriage &#8220;convalidated&#8221; at a later date, similar to to a family being &#8216;sealed&#8217; a year after a civil marriage.</p>
<p>I compare these things not so much to indicate how Catholics do things so much as to show just how non-unique Mormons are in many ways with regards to their approach to interfaith marriage.</p>
<p>Disbelief that comes after marriage, however, is harder to deal with. Despite the admonition of Paul in the 1 Corinthians that:</p>
<blockquote><p>[I]f any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband. Otherwise, your children would be unclean, but as it is they are holy. (1 Cor. 7:12-14)</p></blockquote>
<p>it is really not all that uncommon to see marriages Mormon temple marriages dissolve once one member of the union loses faith. The same can also be true in Catholic culture, where one of the vows made at the altar is to raise your children Catholic.</p>
<p>A few examples, then, to illustrate some of what I am talking about:</p>
<p>A Mormon female friend of mine (who also happens to be a reader of this blog) attended a non-LDS university for college. Her Patriarchal Blessing was explicit that she was to marry an RM in the temple. When a Baptist schoolmate asked her on a date, she turned him down several times before giving him an ultimatum: She would only go on a date with him if he would read the Book of Mormon and consent to taking the missionary discussions. Confident that the Mormon church was misguided, and that he could show her the error of her ways, he consented. He joined the LDS Church and they two were married in the temple a year later. Obviously, she and the Church would consider this example to be a huge success story; his Baptist family, in contrast, at that time considered their daughter-in-law to be the devil incarnate. (I suspect that they mellowed with time).</p>
<p>Another friend at the same university for four years dated a non-Mormon off and on, and was fairly involved with him physically (although never so far that she needed to go to the Bishop). She loved him and he proposed to her, but since he was not interested in the Church, she said no. Several years later, she met and married a convert of 1 year, in the temple. Another Church success story.</p>
<p>A Jewish friend attended a Jew-friendly university, but did not find a spouse. She later moved to an area in the Midwest that was predominantly Protestant, and met and fell in love with a Protestant. They moved in together, but when her family would call or visit, she threw him out of the house for the weekend. When her parents found out that she was dating this man, they first gave her a series of lectures on being &#8216;married under the canopy&#8217; and of all that her grandmother had suffered at Auschwitz. They then cut off all verbal communication with her. When the grandmother found out about the boyfriend, she literally suffered a stroke. She broke up with the boyfriend, and later married an Orthodox Jew and was welcomed back into her family.</p>
<p>A Muslim co-worker of my husband&#8217;s met and married a Hindi woman. The parents of the Muslim refuse to acknowledge their daughter-in-law, and the parents of the Hindu refuse to call the Muslim by his real name, instead calling him by the Hindi equivalent.</p>
<p>When I married my husband, we were both Mormon, however I had converted to the Church as a young adult. My mother&#8217;s side of the family (who are culturally Catholic) refused to speak with my husband at family functions and boycotted our wedding. Indeed, my own marriage might now be considered as an interfaith marriage, with each of us losing our faith in the LDS Church and taking divergent faith paths. I&#8217;ve left the LDS Church and now consider myself a post-Mormon liberal Catholic, returning to the faith of my mothers (since Catholicism in America is largely passed down matriarchally). My husband is an agnostic atheist who remains actively Mormon: regularly attending his meetings and &#8216;magnifying&#8217; his calling, held in the church by the faith of his fathers. My family is urging me to do what my responsibility as a Catholic mother would be: to baptize my son Catholic and raise him in the Catholic Church.</p>
<p>And so it goes, and so it goes. Its remarkable how adherents of all faiths claim that God will only recognize marriage in their church.</p>
<p>Through it all, my husband and I have retained enormous respect for each other and our religious decisions, as well as the effect that those decisions have on our son. I think respect for each other is really the only way such marriages can survive. My husband&#8217;s loss of belief was founded in his respect for me: Trusting that my reasoning was sound, he wanted to determine for himself what validity there was in my conclusions. Obviously, we came to different end-points, but part of respect is learning to accept (and even welcome) differences of opinion and conclusion.</p>
<p>My questions for the readership are these:</p>
<ul>
<li>What are your stories?</li>
<li>How can a couple who finds themselves in a Mormon interfaith marriage make the relationship work?</li>
<li> Is it possible to maintain a believing Mormon/non-believer relationship?</li>
<li>If so, what components are required?</li>
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		<title>Squaring the Circle, balance and ideals</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A discussion of Squaring the Circle, a geometric puzzle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/400px-squaring_the_circle.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-9299" style="margin: 10px;" title="400px-squaring_the_circle" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/400px-squaring_the_circle-300x282.jpg" alt="" width="214" height="201" /></a>Squaring the Circle is a geometry problem and a spiritual puzzle.  It dates back at least 4,000 years.  All of the great cultures that expressed advanced mathematics and philosophy approached this problem and had a mythology to give it meaning.  On one hand, it is a practical, geometric exercise exploring approximations of PI and Phi.  On the other hand, it is a philosophical puzzle to combine opposites and find the perfect balance.  Can a human find their way through the maze of different extremes that we encounter in our mortal experience?  We must navigate between light and darkness, health and sickness, pleasure and pain, life and death, good and evil.  The greatest minds in history have expressed pleasure and enlightenment from this geometry exercise.  A famous Greek philosopher included a statement in his work “On Exile” referring to one of his fellow countrymen who worked the squaring problem:</p>
<p>“There is no place that can take away the happiness of a man, nor yet his virtue or wisdom. Anaxagoras, indeed, wrote on the squaring of the circle while in prison.”</p>
<p>-Plutarch</p>
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The basic puzzle is this: Using only a square, a compass, a straight edge and a writing stick, create a square with the same circumference or area as a circle. It has to be done in a finite number of steps.  You can not measure it numerically (with a ruler). It all has to be done through proportion and true principles using four unmarked tools.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a geometry puzzle with meanings, here are some basic interpretations.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/42264.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9305" style="border: 1px solid black; margin-right: 5px; margin-left: 5px;" title="42264" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/42264-150x99.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="67" /></a><strong>Right-Angled Square:</strong></span> This represents logic and law.  It is associated with the head and mind.  It is left thinking.<span style="color: #ffffff;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;">..</span></p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Compasses.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9306" style="border: 1px solid black; margin-right: 5px; margin-left: 5px;" title="Compasses" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Compasses-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Compass:</span></strong> Used for making circles.  This represents feeling and intuition, the emotional mind.  It is associated with the heart.  It is right thinking.<span style="color: #ffffff;"> </span></p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ist2_3871875-drawing-line.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9307" style="border: 1px solid black; margin: 5px;" title="ist2_3871875-drawing-line" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ist2_3871875-drawing-line-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Writing Stick: </strong></span>This represents our desire, our appetites, what we hunger for, the energy and will that drives action (like drawing and working a puzzle).  It could also be called faith in its verb form.  It is associated with the belly, the source of hunger and desire.</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/530274771.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-9314" style="border: 1px solid black; margin: 5px;" title="530274771" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/530274771.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Straight Edge:</strong></span> This represents precision, exactness and a division between opposites (good/evil, dark/light, etc.).  It represents a decision, a commitment and an action that separates thinking from doing.  The knee divides the upper leg from the lower leg, and the leg is symbolic of walking a path towards a destination.  A straight line represents boundaries.<span style="color: #ffffff;">.</span></p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Square.gif"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9304" title="Square" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Square-150x150.gif" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a>A square shape is symbolic of the “four corners” of the earth, the physical world, the tangible, the rational, our body, our material experience and the absolute of truth.  It represents that which is defined and the finite.<span style="color: #ffffff;">.</span></p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/circle.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9309" style="margin: 5px;" title="circle" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/circle-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a>A circle shape is symbolic of the heavens, the spiritual world, the intangible, the irrational or transcendental, that which surrounds and embraces our spirit and ideal potential.  It represents that which is beyond definition, the eternal and infinite.<span style="color: #ffffff;">.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;">&#8230;</span></p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Andsq1.png"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-9310" style="margin: 5px;" title="Andsq1" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Andsq1-150x150.png" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>Squaring the Circle asks the initiate to reconcile the circle with the square, and through that process grow and receive wisdom. Can you reconcile the mind and the heart? Can you combine heaven and earth to find a place where they meet? Can you balance perfectly your intellect with your emotions to find a solution? How does your spirit and body combine to become one?  Where is the boundary between justice and mercy?  These are the questions answered through pondering and meditating on solutions to the puzzle.</p>
<p>It is said that all truth (a square) can be circumscribed (a circle) into one great whole (perfection and enlightenment).</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/vitruvian-man.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9311" style="margin: 5px;" title="vitruvian-man" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/vitruvian-man-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>The answers to Squaring the Circle will get you past the stumbling blocks, like gate keepers inside your soul, that prevent you from entering through the veil of mortality to your kingdom as a returning champion, a queen or king, the victorious hero from an epic quest.</p>
<p>Our contemporary modern society has moved away from metaphorical expression like this.  We are often not comfortable working in symbol when it comes to the spiritual.  If things aren’t factually true (such as the details of a myth), then they are false and should be discarded.  We find artistic and religious metaphor silly, even pointless in our materialistic, technician-oriented culture.  Left-brained labels and icons define all by putting things into neat boxes but leave out what the right brain intuits through relationship and proportion.  If only there was a way to preserve this exercise of Squaring the Circle in a new religious framework, a way to re-purpose it for the modern world, many could benefit from such a metaphorical hero’s quest in their life journey.  Someone would probably want to borrow from the ancients and from traditions handed down over the ages, since those that came before us already did so much work.  It would be wasteful to reinvent the wheel completely from scratch, I would think. *wink*</p>
<p>-Brian Johnston, <a href="http://www.staylds.com/" target="_blank">www.staylds.com</a></p>
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		<title>Adam &amp; Eve as  UFOs (Unidentified Figurative Objects)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #4 Although our SS lesson for this week presents Adam and Eve as two literal, physical characters, the temple ceremony hints that we can benefit by viewing their story as figurative. I am often dismayed that symbolism, while given lip service, is so little understood in LDS circles. Since the majority of Mormons believe in a literal Adam who will return to the earth in his physical resurrected body and fulfill a major role at Adam-ondi-ahman, there is little reason to investigate the allegorical aspects of the Adam and Eve story. Thus, they have become &#8220;unidentified figurative objects&#8221; whose symbolic impact is veiled. What would we find if we began to look at Adam and Eve in allegory? One possibility that appeals to me is to identify Adam, who was created first, as our spirit, or our divinity. Adam was created by God, as was our spirit. Eve was created from man, and can represent the physical being or the human self. The order that they were created, and the fact that Eve is intended as a companion for Adam, implies that Adam is supposed to be in charge. This has nothing to do with the relationships [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #4</strong></big></p>
<p>Although our <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=9073c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=5158f4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">SS lesson</a> for this week presents Adam and Eve as two literal, physical characters, the temple ceremony hints that we can benefit by viewing their story as figurative. I am often dismayed that symbolism, while given lip service, is so little understood in LDS circles.  Since the majority of Mormons believe in a literal Adam who will return to the earth in his physical resurrected body and fulfill a major role at Adam-ondi-ahman, there is little reason to investigate the allegorical aspects of the Adam and Eve story.  Thus, they have become &#8220;unidentified figurative objects&#8221; whose symbolic impact is veiled.<span id="more-9323"></span></p>
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What would we find if we began to look at Adam and Eve in allegory?  One possibility that appeals to me is to identify Adam, who was created first, as our spirit, or our divinity.  Adam was created by God, as was our spirit.  Eve was created from man, and can represent the physical being or the human self. The order that they were created, and the fact that Eve is intended as a companion for Adam, implies that Adam is supposed to be in charge. This has nothing to do with the relationships between men and women. Instead, it teaches us that we are to identify with our divinity and follow its intentions. What are the intentions of the spirit part of our being? To  become one with the bodily or physical nature so together they can grow in wisdom, express divinity and fulfill God’s plan.</p>
<p>I enjoy looking at Adam and Eve this way because it takes us out of male/female role expectations and places us in a position to embrace the whole spectrum of characteristics described.  The same type of exercise is encouraged in Isaiah, where the &#8220;daughter of Zion&#8221; represents the covenant people, males AND females.  Her struggles are not merely feminine foibles, but real challenges faced by everyone who is trying to live a covenant relationship with God.</p>
<p>Several religious traditions accept the Adam and Eve story as containing important religious symbols. Abdul-Baha (of the Baha&#8217;i faith) explained:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;this story of Adam and Eve who ate from the tree, and their expulsion from Paradise, must be thought of simply as a symbol. It contains divine mysteries and universal meanings, and it is capable of marvelous explanations. Only those who are initiated into mysteries, and those who are near the Court of the All-Powerful, are aware of these secrets. Hence these verses of the Bible have numerous meanings.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>When Nephi investigated the dream of his father Lehi, he was shown the symbolism of the items in the dream, and told what they represented.  If we are willing to look at the several items in the Adam and Eve story symbolically, as Abdul-Baha suggests, could we, Nephi-like, be shown meanings which would have great significance to our spiritual path?  The items below are found in the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4">Moses 4</a> account and are very obviously replete with symbolic meaning.  I have linked to a variety of sites which may spark further contemplation of their metaphorical meanings:</p>
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<li>the tree of life</li>
<li>the <a href="http://luthar.com/the-tree-of-the-knowledge-of-good-and-evil/">tree of knowledge</a></li>
<li>the other <a href="http://www.freedomsring.org/ftc/chap11.html">trees in the garden</a></li>
<li><a href="http://scibel.com/scibel/materials_questions%20-%20did%20adam%20and%20eve%20really%20exist.html">Adam</a></li>
<li><a href="http://whatthebiblesays.info/AdamandEve.html">Eve</a></li>
<li>the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_%28symbolism%29">serpent</a></li>
<li>the <a href="http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2682/was-the-forbidden-fruit-in-the-garden-of-eden-an-apple">fruit</a></li>
<li>the fig-leaf <a href="http://salem289.tripod.com/lamb.htm">aprons</a></li>
<li>the <a href="http://webspace.webring.com/people/np/potai/garment.htm">coats of skins</a></li>
<li>the consequences which the Lord lays upon Adam and Eve</li>
<li>the <a href="http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/garden-of-eden-symbolism-east-part-1.html">Garden of Eden</a></li>
<li>the cherubim and <a href="http://www.templestudy.com/2008/01/29/a-flaming-sword/">flaming sword</a></li>
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<p>Do you think Latter-day Saints have become so accustomed to thinking of the Adam and Eve story as literal that they are blinded to the more symbolic meanings?  Are you more comfortable studying and/or teaching this story as literal, figurative, or both?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mormon Matters introduces the 2009 Niblets Awards! It&#8217;s back!  The opportunity to honor the unique and talented Mormon bloggers of 2009. It&#8217;s a chance to look back on the  year and remember the great things that happened in the Bloggernacle, to come together in a spirit of comaraderie and fun!  Mormon Matters will be hosting this event to highlight YOU and your favorite 2009 Mormon blogs, and we are pleased to announce our continuing collaboration with Ziff of Zelophehad&#8217;s Daughters, the mighty numbers cruncher, who will handle results presentation at the end of this event. We&#8217;ve fine-tuned the process a little bit this year.  You&#8217;ll see that the categories are just a little bit different.   Please include a link to the 2009 blog/post/comment that you nominate if you wish it to be considered. Put your link in [brackets] so that it will get through our spam catcher.  As always, you are welcome to nominate yourself &#8212; isn&#8217;t that what blogging is all about?? Oh, and try to think of some other bloggers to recognize, too.  For-profit blogs  will not be considered.  This thread is the place to make any  thoughtful comments, concerns or suggestions on the categories or the process.  [...]]]></description>
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<p><span style="font-size: large;">It&#8217;s back!  The opportunity to honor the unique and talented Mormon bloggers of 2009. It&#8217;s a chance to look back on the  year and remember the great things that happened in the Bloggernacle, to come together in a spirit of comaraderie and fun!  Mormon Matters will be hosting this event to highlight YOU and your favorite 2009 Mormon blogs, and we are pleased to announce our continuing collaboration with Ziff of Zelophehad&#8217;s Daughters, the mighty numbers cruncher, who will handle results presentation at the end of this event.<span id="more-9200"></span></span></p>
<p>We&#8217;ve fine-tuned the process a little bit this year.  You&#8217;ll see that the categories are just a little bit different.   Please include a link to the 2009 blog/post/comment that you nominate if you wish it to be considered. Put your link in [brackets] so that it will get through our spam catcher.  As always, you are welcome to nominate yourself &#8212; isn&#8217;t that what blogging is all about?? Oh, and try to think of some other bloggers to recognize, too.   For-profit blogs  will not be considered.  This thread is the place to make any  thoughtful comments, concerns or suggestions on the categories or the process.  They will be duly considered by our panel.  Nominations will take place from now through Jan. 24th.  So, without further ado, here are our 2009 Niblets categories:</p>
<p>Best big blog:<br />
Best group blog:<br />
Best mommy blog:<br />
Best humorous blog:<br />
Best solo blog:<br />
Best new blog: (must have put up its first post in 2009)<br />
Best blog layout/graphics:<br />
Best overall blogger:<br />
Best commenter:<br />
Most memorable comment:<br />
Funniest thread:<br />
Best post title:<br />
Best humorous post:<br />
Best historical post:<br />
Best spiritual post:<br />
Best doctrinal post:<br />
Best personal post:<br />
Best current events post:<br />
Best book/article review:<br />
Best contribution to the Bloggernacle in 2009:<br />
Best contribution to interfaith dialogue:<br />
Write-in category:</p>
<p>Thank you for your participation. It&#8217;s YOU that makes the Niblets great!</p>
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		<title>Chosen or Posin&#8217; ? Abraham, Buffy, and Other Choice Spirits</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #2 This was an interesting lesson to read after last year&#8217;s brou-ha-ha over an alleged &#8220;generals in the war in heaven&#8221; quote. On the 25th of February 2008, the Church issued an official statement from the Office of the First Presidency to all General Authorities, Area Seventies, Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, District Presidents, Temple Presidents, Bishops and Branch Presidents which read: A statement has been circulated that asserts in part that the youth of the Church today “were generals in the war in heaven . . . and someone will ask you, ‘Which of the prophet’s time did you live in?’ and when you say ‘Gordon B. Hinckley’ a hush will fall, . . . and all in attendance will bow at your presence. [You were held back six thousand years because you were the most talented, most obedient, most courageous, and most righteous.]”* This is a false statement. It is not Church doctrine. At various times, this statement has been attributed erroneously to President Thomas S. Monson, President Henry B. Eyring, President Boyd K. Packer, and others. None of these Brethren made this statement. Stake presidents and bishops should see that it is not used in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #2</strong></big><br />
This was an interesting lesson to read after last year&#8217;s brou-ha-ha over an alleged &#8220;generals in the war in heaven&#8221; quote. On the 25th of February 2008, the Church issued an official statement from the Office of the First Presidency to all General Authorities, Area Seventies, Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, District Presidents, Temple Presidents, Bishops and Branch Presidents which read:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">A statement has been circulated that asserts in part that the youth of the Church today “were generals in the war in heaven . . . and someone will ask you, ‘Which of the prophet’s time did you live in?’ and when you say ‘Gordon B. Hinckley’ a hush will fall, . . . and all in attendance will bow at your presence. [You were held back six thousand years because you were the most talented, most obedient, most courageous, and most righteous.]”*<span id="more-8973"></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">This is a false statement. It is not Church doctrine. At various times, this statement has been attributed erroneously to President Thomas S. Monson, President Henry B. Eyring, President Boyd K. Packer, and others. None of these Brethren made this statement. Stake presidents and bishops should see that it is not used in Church talks, classes, bulletins, or newsletters. Priesthood leaders should correct anyone who attempts to perpetuate its use by any means, in accordance with “Statements Attributed to Church Leaders,” Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 1 (2006), 173.</p>
<p>Although this is not Church doctrine, I don&#8217;t see much which distinguishes it from the following quotation in our approved <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=9973c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=5158f4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Sunday School Lesson #2</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">President Ezra Taft Benson taught:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">“God has held you in reserve to make your appearance in the final days before the second coming of the Lord. Some individuals will fall away; but the kingdom of God will remain intact to welcome the return of its head &#8212; even Jesus Christ. While our generation will be comparable in wickedness to the days of Noah, when the Lord cleansed the earth by flood, there is a major difference this time. It is that God has saved for the final inning some of His strongest children, who will help bear off the kingdom triumphantly. …</p>
<p style="padding-left: 120px;">“… Make no mistake about it—you are a marked generation. There has never been more expected of the faithful in such a short period of time than there is of us” (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [1988], 104–5).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been scratching my head all evening wondering why the Church would come out so emphatically against the &#8220;generals in heaven&#8221; quote, denouncing it as false doctrine, and yet retain these very similar teachings in the manual.  I suppose it might be because of the notion that someone in heaven would bow to anyone other than a member of the Godhead; however, if we become gods when we are exalted that&#8217;s not as heretical as it seems.  Perhaps the problem lies in the substitution of being chosen as a heavy responsibility for a kind of entitlement or specialness. But this is very subtle.  The entire Sunday School lesson, based on <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/3">Abraham 3</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/1-4#1">Moses 4:1–4</a> expounds our own unique spin on Calvinism and the doctrine of election. In the vision recorded in Abraham 3, the Lord showed Abraham the Council in Heaven that was held before the earth was created. Present at the Council were &#8220;many of the noble and great ones,&#8221; including (as enumerated in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/138/38-57#38">D&amp;C 138</a>) Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Elias, Malachi, Elijah, Nephite prophets, Joseph Smith, Hyrum, Brigham, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, &#8220;and other choice spirits who were reserved to come forth in the fulness of times.&#8221;  These spirits, the lesson teaches, were foreordained to do important things for the kingdom of God during their mortal lives. Including ourselves in that list of scriptural V.I.P.s is heady nectar.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a very careful word &#8212; &#8220;foreordination.&#8221; We teach that even though a person is foreordained to a calling, that calling is dependent on the person’s worthiness and willingness to accept it. We may have been righteous in the premortal &#8220;first estate,&#8221; but that doesn&#8217;t guarantee the keeping of our second estate here on earth. In this way, we stay a pace away from predestination. But foreordination is a loaded word for twentieth-century Mormons.</p>
<p>Episode 22 of Season 7 and the series finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer is titled &#8220;Chosen.&#8221; In this episode Buffy comes up with a plan which involves Willow performing a difficult spell.  The magic activates Potentials all over the world, defying the tradition of only one Slayer per generation. As the screen shows a montage of young women, Buffy&#8217;s voice-over says:</p>
<p><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1OZixgeCpgE/S0VATecK5JI/AAAAAAAAAe0/hfkbRz287hY/s1600-h/buffy.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5423812029570540690" style="margin: 0pt 30px 10px; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 300px; height: 400px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1OZixgeCpgE/S0VATecK5JI/AAAAAAAAAe0/hfkbRz287hY/s400/buffy.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>From now on, every girl in the world who might be a slayer&#8230;</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">A young woman stands at the plate staring at the pitcher, waiting to bat. She looks a little nervous. </span></big></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>will be a slayer.</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">A young woman breathes heavily as she leans on her locker for support. </span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;"><br />
Every girl who could have the power&#8230;</span><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">A young woman is lying across the floor, having fallen out of her chair.</span> </big></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>will have the power&#8230; can stand up,</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">In a Japanese-style dining room, a young woman stands up at family dinner.</span> </big></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>will stand up.</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">A young woman grabs the wrist of a man who&#8217;s trying to slap her face, preventing him. </span></big></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><big>Slayers&#8230; every one of us. Make your choice.</big></span><big><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">The girl at the plate changes from nervous to confident, smiling as she waits for the pitch. </span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Are you ready to be strong?</span></big></p>
<p>This scene gives me the same kind of feeling I used to have as a young adult, when countless Church leaders spoke to groups of us telling us that WE were the chosen, saved for the Latter-Days, to prepare the world and usher in the Millennium. That&#8217;s the feeling I got when I heard the word &#8220;foreordination.&#8221; It still gives me shivers, thinking about it.   I wasn&#8217;t a member yet, but in 1970 I was 11 years old when President Joseph Fielding Smith declared: “Our young people … are the nobility of heaven, a choice and chosen generation who have a divine destiny. Their spirits have been reserved to come forth in this day when the gospel is on the earth, and when the Lord needs valiant servants to carry on his great latter-day work.” I was part of that generation.  But then I had children, and they grew, and became the Youth of Zion themselves, and suddenly the leaders were telling THEM they were the marked ones.   &#8220;This is the greatest age in the history of the world, and its youth are a chosen generation,&#8221; President Hinckley told them in 1995. And then in November, my daughter brought forth my firstborn grandchild, and a third generation is beginning to rise up since I heard those words.</p>
<p>OT SS Lesson #2 states that its objective is &#8220;To help class members understand the doctrine of foreordination and their own responsibility to help build up the kingdom of God and bring souls to Christ.&#8221; Do you think this is the intended meaning of the scripture block in Abraham 3, Moses 4, and D&amp;C 138?  Do you think you were part of the Council in Heaven described there? Does the doctrine of foreordination as you have been taught it give you a sense of specialness and entitlement?  Were you taught you would usher in the Millennium?  Do you feel your day of being a chosen generation of youth has passed you by?</p>
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*Bracketed portion of the circulated quote not included in the First Presidency letter.</p>
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		<title>Did Mormon Influence Increase over the Decade?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife brought this to my attention while reading the front page of the Deseret News:  2000s: The First Decade-Mormon Church Influence Soars.  Without providing any sources, it says, President Thomas S. Monson has been named the most influential 80-year-old in America and Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are listed among the most important 100 Americans in history Other noteworthy items from the article include from the past decade: After the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, President Hinckley was one of the first guests Larry King interviewed on his nationally televised program. President Hinckley attended a special summit at the White House to counsel President George W. Bush. Winter Olympics in SLC with many Mormon Interpreters PBS documentary Prop 8 vote in California Humanitarian efforts in various earthquakes, wildfires, famine, war, hurricanes and floods around the world. Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney ran for president, Sen. Harry Reid became Senate Majority leader, and pundit Glenn Beck offered a play-by-play account of the battle lines that separated their political parties. David Archuleta sang himself into the hearts of Middle America on &#8220;American Idol,&#8221; Stephenie Meyer wrote of high-minded vampires, selling millions of novels that primed a series of movies. City Creek Center [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife brought this to my attention while reading the front page of the Deseret News:  <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705355618/2000s-The-First-Decade-2-Mormon-Church-influence-soars.html?pg=2">2000s: The First Decade-Mormon Church Influence Soars</a>.  Without providing any sources, it says,</p>
<blockquote><p>President Thomas S. Monson has been named the most influential 80-year-old in America and Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are listed among the most important 100 Americans in history</p></blockquote>
<p>Other noteworthy items from the article include from the past decade:<span id="more-8901"></span></p>
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<li>After the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, President Hinckley was one of the first guests Larry King interviewed on his nationally televised program.</li>
<li>President Hinckley attended a special summit at the White House to counsel President George W. Bush.</li>
<li>Winter Olympics in SLC with many Mormon Interpreters</li>
<li>PBS documentary</li>
<li>Prop 8 vote in California</li>
<li>Humanitarian efforts in various earthquakes, wildfires, famine, war, hurricanes and floods around the world.</li>
<li>Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney ran for president,</li>
<li>Sen. Harry Reid became Senate Majority leader, and</li>
<li>pundit Glenn Beck offered a play-by-play account of the battle lines that separated their political parties.</li>
<li>David Archuleta sang himself into the hearts of Middle America on &#8220;American Idol,&#8221;</li>
<li>Stephenie Meyer wrote of high-minded vampires, selling millions of novels that primed a series of movies.</li>
<li>City Creek Center will literally remake downtown Salt Lake City.</li>
<li>The number of temples built or planned reached 151 during the decade.</li>
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<p>Do, what do you think?  Vote and comment.</p>
<p>[poll id="92"]</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes. Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church. They did hundreds [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-8675" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Temple-poster-198x300.jpg" alt="Temple poster" width="198" height="300" /></p>
<p>A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows</p>
<p>In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. <a href="http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com/">http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com </a>The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes.</p>
<p>Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church.<span id="more-8674"></span></p>
<p>They did hundreds of hours of interviews over two years and edited it down to a 55 minute film. The film is very moving&#8211;a tribute to those who shared their stories as well as DeMillia and Lavery&#8217;s videography and editing skills.</p>
<p>About two dozen people appear in interviews in the film. Each story is unique, but a common thread runs throughout them all. All faced a similar rejection by family, friends and community.  Some of those interviewed have left the church. Others no longer believe, but remain active because of family or community pressure. The latter are filmed in shadows, to obscure their identity. The film refers to these people as “Shadow Mormons.” They define &#8220;Shadow Mormons&#8221; as those who privately do not accept the exacting doctrine of the Church, but publicly profess to be true believers. They are in shadow to protect their relationships with family, friends and employers.</p>
<p>Someone commented to me after the film, “That&#8217;s you. You&#8217;re a Shadow Mormon.”</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Shadow Mormon. Maybe that&#8217;s why this film hit me so hard. I haven&#8217;t believed in over 20 years – most of my adult life. Yet, during that time I&#8217;ve paid my tithing, gone to the temple, served in bishoprics and high councils and done all the things that were expected of me. Why? Because I am tied to the church by family and community.</p>
<p>The story of &#8220;Grace&#8221; (not her real name) resonated with me because it was so similar to mine. Her pain, and anger, were born of all the energy she has given to a religion that she doesn&#8217;t believe in. Finding out that the Church was not true was like a death experience for her. Like me, she tried following the Church&#8217;s teachings to fast, pray, read the scriptures and yet never felt she received the &#8220;burning in her bosom&#8221; that is promised in the scriptures.</p>
<p>What of the families and communities of these people? What are their stories, their experiences with loved ones who go through a process of losing belief and leaving the church. Only one person who was a family or friend agreed to be interviewed for the film. The believing husband that was interviewed told how he still loved his wife, even though she has left the church. What about the others? Are they embarrassed to say that the Church was more important than their relationship with the person who left?</p>
<p>The saddest stories, to me, were of divorce caused by one spouse believing and the other not believing. Michelle (another woman interviewed in the film) said her heart was broken that her husband would choose the Church over her. He told their marriage therapist that if she had not been Mormon he never would have married her. &#8220;There was more to me than being a Mormon,&#8221; she said.  &#8220;And I thought that there was more to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>The dictionary defines empathy as “the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.” We could all use a little more empathy for those around us. I have had several people tell me, “I can&#8217;t imagine how a person could leave the church.” Either they need a better imagination or they need more empathy.  Maybe they just need to see this film.</p>
<p>One of the questions at the screening&#8211;one that Lavery could not answer&#8211;was, “How do we get the right people to see this film?” Sadly, many members of the church would not even consider it. (It screened in Salt Lake City in October and got almost no media coverage.) The film does not try to de-convert anyone or disparage the doctrine of the church. It doesn&#8217;t assert that someone is right because he or she believes, or that someone else is right because he or she leaves the church. This film is about accepting people regardless of what they believe, and about how we treat those who believe differently than we do. I wish every member of the church could see this film.</p>
<p>Film Trailer: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
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		<title>Christmas Gifts:  Gold, Frankincense, Myrrh</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many lament that Christmas has turned into a commercial gift-giving holiday.  However, the Bible shows that gift-giving happened right after the birth of Christ.  The Book of Matthew tells of 3 gifts the Wise Men gave:  gold, frankincense, and myrrh.  Prof Deirdre Good of the General Theological Seminary in New York tells us the meaning of these particular gifts in Mystery of the 3 Kings: “The gift of gold is for royalty.  The gift of frankincense is for divinity.  The gift of myrrh is for death.” Gold is a gift for an earthly king, and holds obvious symbolic significance.  Frankincense is used in incense, for many religious observances.  Frankincense was used by Jews in the temple, as well as a great number of other religions of the day.  It is made from the resin of rare trees.  It was so precious that it was literally worth its weight in gold.  Myrrh also comes from a rare plant (in Arabia) and is worth 7 times more than frankincense.  It’s use was for annointing the dead, as well as for healing properties.  In modern day use, it has anti-fungal properties, and there is some anti-cancer research regarding myrrh as well.  It would [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many lament that Christmas has turned into a commercial gift-giving holiday.  However, the Bible shows that gift-giving happened right after the birth of Christ.  The Book of Matthew tells of 3 gifts the Wise Men gave:  gold, frankincense, and myrrh.  Prof Deirdre Good of the General Theological Seminary in New York tells us the meaning of these particular gifts in <a title="3 Kings on Amazon.com" href="http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-of-the-Three-Kings/dp/B0002I9S6W" target="_blank">Mystery of the 3 Kings</a>: “The gift of gold is for royalty.  The gift of frankincense is for divinity.  The gift of myrrh is for death.”</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-8729"></span>Gold is a gift for an earthly king, and holds obvious symbolic significance.  Frankincense is used in incense, for many religious observances.  Frankincense was used by Jews in the temple, as well as a great number of other religions of the day.  It is made from the resin of rare trees.  It was so precious that it was literally worth its weight in gold.  Myrrh also comes from a rare plant (in Arabia) and is worth 7 times more than frankincense.  It’s use was for annointing the dead, as well as for healing properties.  In modern day use, it has anti-fungal properties, and there is some anti-cancer research regarding myrrh as well.  It would have been a gift for a physician.  Obviously, Jesus was a master physician with all the healings he performed.</p>
<p>Astronomer David Hughes tells us “Myrrh is used to anoint the dead.  You get this Christian attitude that even as Jesus was born, they knew he was going to die on the cross.”  While none of us would have any idea what to do with frankincense and myrrh, when we uncover how the ancient people felt, it helps us realize how valuable these gifts were.</p>
<p>Matthew and Luke seem to have some differing accounts of Jesus birth.  In Luke, the shepherds visit a manger.  In Matthew, the Wise Men visit a house.   One tradition has it that the Wise Men visited 12 days after Jesus birth, but it could also be that Jesus may have been as old as 2, since Herod ordered all male boys killed under the age of 2.</p>
<p>The gifts may have been a test for Jesus.  There is evidence that the Jews expected as many as 3 different Messiahs:  a spiritual one, a great warrior, and a healer.  When presented with the gifts, the idea was that if Jesus chose gold, he would have been an earthly ruler.  If he had chosen frankincense, he would have been a spiritual leader.  If he had chosen myrrh, he would have been a healer and miracle worker.  Legend has it that he chose all three, showing that he was all of the above.</p>
<p>Of course, the magi sneaked out of Judea due to the dream not to return to Herod.  Joseph was also warned in a dream to leave for Egypt.  These gifts would have been very helpful for their flight into Egypt and would have helped pay their way.  Jesus going to Egypt follows previous precedents of Joseph and Abraham fleeing there to save Israel.</p>
<p>So, has anyone received gold for Christmas?</p>
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