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		<title>If They Tarry&#8230;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[D&#38;C 137 records a vision of Joseph Smith “in the temple at Kirtland, Ohio, January 21, 1836. HC 2: 380–381. The occasion was the administration of the ordinances of the endowment as far as they had then been revealed.” [Preface].  There are 2 important pieces of Mormon doctrine to consider here:  (1) baptism for the dead, and (2) children that die before the age of accountability (and baptism at age 8 ) will inherit the Celestial Kingdom.  Since it is a short section, let me quote it entirely.  This section is only in the LDS version of the D&#38;C, but other accounts of this revelation can be found in the History of the Church. 1 THE heavens were opened upon us, and I beheld the celestial kingdom of God, and the glory thereof, whether in the body or out I cannot tell. 2 I saw the transcendent beauty of the gate through which the heirs of that kingdom will enter, which was like unto circling flames of fire; 3 Also the blazing throne of God, whereon was seated the Father and the Son. 4 I saw the beautiful streets of that kingdom, which had the appearance of being paved with gold. 5 [...]]]></description>
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<p>D&amp;C 137 records a vision of Joseph Smith “in the temple at Kirtland, Ohio, January 21, 1836. HC 2: 380–381. The occasion was the administration of the ordinances of the endowment as far as they had then been revealed.” [Preface].  There are 2 important pieces of Mormon doctrine to consider here:  (1) baptism for the dead, and (2) children that die before the age of accountability (and baptism at age 8 ) will inherit the Celestial Kingdom.  Since it is a short section, let me quote it entirely.  This section is only in the LDS version of the D&amp;C, but other accounts of this revelation can be found in the History of the Church.<img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-12537"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>1 THE heavens were opened upon us, and I beheld the celestial kingdom of God, and the glory thereof, whether in the body or out I cannot tell.</p>
<p>2 I saw the transcendent beauty of the gate through which the heirs of that kingdom will enter, which was like unto circling flames of fire;</p>
<p>3 Also the blazing throne of God, whereon was seated the Father and the Son.</p>
<p>4 I saw the beautiful streets of that kingdom, which had the appearance of being paved with gold.</p>
<p>5 I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept;</p>
<p>6 And marveled how it was that he had obtained an inheritance in that kingdom, seeing that he had departed this life before the Lord had set his hand to gather Israel the second time, and had not been baptized for the remission of sins.</p>
<p>7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;</p>
<p>8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;</p>
<p>9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.</p>
<p>10 And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since God is the ultimate judge, and “who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God “, the LDS baptize all and let God be the judge.  (I previously discussed <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/04/baptism-for-the-dead-so-what/">baptism for the dead from a non-LDS Irish writer</a>.)</p>
<p>So, this phrase “if they had been permitted to tarry”, got me thinking.  Following my mission, another guy about my age returned home.  I believe he got home on a Thursday and was slated to give his homecoming address on Sunday.  (I’ll call him Ted.)  He went out with some friends on Friday or Saturday night, and was involved in a serious car accident.  Sitting in the back seat, his car was t-boned at an intersection.  The woman sitting next to him was killed, and he received some fairly serious injuries, resulting in a delay of his homecoming address for about a month (which he gave standing on crutches.)</p>
<p>While it is probably a bit morbid to think about, a few people speculated that if he had been killed the day after his mission ended, he was probably very righteous and would have gone straight to the Celestial Kingdom.  After all, he was probably living more righteously at that point in his life than at any other time.</p>
<p>Ted went on to college on the east coast (I stayed in the west), he majored in art, I majored in math, and our paths really never crossed much.  I ran into his parents a few times, and they told me about his art exhibits, but neither one of us really made much of an effort to maintain contact.  Enter Facebook.  I noticed that he was friends with some of my friends, so I thought I would “friend” him and see what he was up to.  To my surprise, he had posted his letter of resignation from the LDS church.  There were many messages congratulating him for his courageous decision.</p>
<p>So, it got me thinking, what happens to those that perhaps died on a mission or similar circumstance, but “if they had been permitted to tarry”, they might have become wicked.  (I’m not saying Ted is wicked—I’m not the judge, but just saying, “what if”?)  Can we really be so certain of anyone’s final judgment?</p>
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		<title>Resolving the Conflict between the TBM and the ExMo</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s guest post comes from Ulysseus, a frequent commenter at Mormon Matters and elsewhere in the b&#8217;nacle.  His website can be found here. To take a line from Shakespeare &#8212; a pox upon both your houses. The Ex-Mos and TBMs continue to argue past each other and never the twain shall meet. While the thought of a kind, loving heavenly being comforts and then closes the ears of the believer, the list of inconsistencies, logical disconnects and &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; cliches assuages and then closes the ears of the non-believer. Unless you frame your debate, it will continue to be unproductive, each side creating their own echo chamber of reinforcement until the cacophony makes it impossible for anyone to hear what is going on. Here is where I would propose to take the discussion: How do you reconcile the conflicts? To quote this guy I once read, &#8220;By proving contraries, truth is made manifest.&#8221; Bonus points if you can tell me who said that. The discussion then moves from cliche and rote response to a value and factual discussion in an attempt to find common ground. For example: Blacks and the priesthood. The Word of God is for all of God&#8217;s children. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Today&#8217;s guest post comes from Ulysseus, a frequent commenter at Mormon Matters and elsewhere in the b&#8217;nacle.  His website can be found <a href="http://mormonroth.blogspot.com/">here</a>. </em></p>
<p>To take a line from Shakespeare &#8212; a pox upon both your houses.  The Ex-Mos and TBMs continue to argue past each other and never the twain shall meet. While the thought of a kind, loving heavenly being comforts and then closes the ears of the believer, the list of inconsistencies, logical disconnects and &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; cliches assuages and then closes the ears of the non-believer.<span id="more-12450"></span></p>
<p>Unless you frame your debate, it will continue to be unproductive, each side creating their own echo chamber of reinforcement until the cacophony makes it impossible for anyone to hear what is going on.</p>
<p>Here is where I would propose to take the discussion:  How do you reconcile the conflicts?   To quote this guy I once read, &#8220;By proving contraries, truth is made manifest.&#8221;   Bonus points if you can tell me who said that.  The discussion then moves from cliche and rote response to a value and factual discussion in an attempt to find common ground.</p>
<p>For example:  Blacks and the priesthood.  The Word of God is for all of God&#8217;s children.  You are punished for your own sins, not Adam&#8217;s transgressions (or Cain&#8217;s.)  Racism is a rampant cultural and historical phenomenon which prompted violent conflict between those who thought racism violated God&#8217;s law and those who believed their race was chosen by God to rule over the lesser beings (both sides used religion as the basis for their beliefs &#8212; one of those contraries Joseph was talking about.).</p>
<p>The argument came to a head in the spring of 1820 (bonus points if you know what else happened in the spring of 1820)  in the United States with a Missouri Compromise.  The Compromise held the Union together for about forty more years until war broke out, but the entire time temperatures were broiling on the race issue in the United States.  Northern (upper state New York) abolitionist leaning religions moving south into Missouri and southern Illinois were not well received.</p>
<p>Not surprising that depending on your viewpoint the ban on blacks holding the priesthood came from:<br />
a) false doctrine;<br />
b) the human capacity for self-deception while striving for self-preservation;<br />
c) individual racism of some church leaders;<br />
d) conforming to the current societal norms; or<br />
e) some other reason arising out of the factual scenario.</p>
<p>The anti- and the pro- both believe that the whole racism thing was a bad idea, they just get there different ways.  Conflict resolved, sort of.</p>
<p>So who is right?  How should we define, the capital T, &#8220;Truth&#8221;?  I&#8217;m going to come clean right now &#8212; I&#8217;m in the Joseph Smith camp on this one, at least for how to determine Truth.  The reason I&#8217;m in the Joseph Smith camp is that he is also in the  historical philosophical tradition of the American Enlightenment and the scientific method and he made one of the first attempts to apply that philosophy to religious thought.   Joseph Smith also had a strong sense of American individualism &#8212; study it out and figure it out for yourself.   How he succeeded can be argued, but I love the empirical, scientific approach to religion.  (To avoid numerous digressions into atheism, geology, cosmology and science, I&#8217;m only talking in this post about applying an empirical, scientific approach to internal subjective experience.)</p>
<p>The scientific method gives us a mechanism for creating hierarchal judgments on different hypotheses &#8212; the hypothesis that is the most consistent with all the data is the most correct, the most true hypothesis.</p>
<p>Another way of saying this is Truth is inclusive.  If you draw lines that exclude, you don&#8217;t have the Truth, you&#8217;ve left something out.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith believed this and it shows in his theology, for example eternal progression and baptism for the dead.  He wanted everything included and this is a huge comfort point for believers.  It leads to a Mormon mother&#8217;s common belief that a non-believing child can eventually end up  in the temple and end up included, despite the past.  What a comfort that must be to her, based on her own world view.</p>
<p>So I am looking at TBM&#8217;s hypothesis which says  &#8220;my view is right because it is more inclusive, God&#8217;s plan provides eternal salvation for all mankind, even Ex-Mos.&#8221;</p>
<p>The conflicting Ex-Mo hypothesis is &#8220;my view is right because the reality and data coming out of the religion is that the religion does exactly the opposite of include all mankind, it excludes everyone except the elect.&#8221;</p>
<p>So there are the two contraries, how do we manifest Truth.  In the spirit of Johnathan Swift, let me make a modest proposal:  Eat the children to stop the famine (sorry literary joke that I couldn&#8217;t resist).</p>
<p>Seriously, the TBM&#8217;s hypothesis fails because despite the efforts of the Church at inclusion theologically, the reality is countless people feel excluded and some are even forced to be excluded by a process known as excommunication.  Just makes the whole &#8220;one heart, one mind&#8221; thing seem a little narrow and false.</p>
<p>The counter hypothesis and its proponents equally fail because it fails to include the large group who devoutly believes.  This makes it equally weak and equally vulnerable to attack by those believers.</p>
<p>My proposed hypothesis, neither of you are correct.  I&#8217;ve studied it out.  Thought about it.  Prayed about it.  I came up with the answer that neither of you were true. (Told you I was in the Joseph Smith camp).</p>
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		<title>Why Mormon History is Not What They Say</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our controversial guest post today is from Rock Waterman.  Check out the original unabridged post at his blog, Pure Mormonism, so titled from his observation that the organic religion founded by Joseph Smith was nondogmatic and libertarian. A couple of weeks ago Jeff Riggenbach sent me his latest book, Why American History Is Not What They Say: An Introduction To Revisionism. I’ve had a passion for revisionist history for as long as I can remember, but something I read in Riggenbach’s informative volume caught me up short. It was an essential factor that I had never known or considered before, and which just so happens to have direct application to why the historical record about Joseph Smith and Polygamy is so confusing and contradictory. While doing the research for her biography of Joseph Smith back in the 1940&#8242;s, Fawn Brodie wrote to a friend that “the more I work with the polygamy material, the more baffled I become.” She has not been alone. Every biographer since has struggled with the dichotomy of what Joseph Smith asserted and what the historical record appears to show. I think Jeff Riggenbach may have uncovered the explanation for us. Correcting The Past If the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Rock-e1280696569269.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-12351 alignleft" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Rock" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Rock-e1280696569269.jpg" alt="" width="70" height="90" /></a>Our controversial guest post today is from Rock Waterman.  Check out the original unabridged post at his blog, <a href="http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-mormon-history-is-not-what-they-say.html">Pure Mormonism</a>, so titled from his observation that the organic religion founded by Joseph Smith was nondogmatic and libertarian.</em></p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago <a href="http://mises.org/articles.aspx?AuthorId=1218">Jeff Riggenbach</a> sent me his latest book, <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00275PS2Q/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1280584038&amp;sr=1-1&amp;condition=new">Why American History Is Not What They Say: An Introduction To Revisionism.</a></em> I’ve had a passion for revisionist history for as long as I can remember, but something I read in Riggenbach’s informative volume caught me up short. It was an essential factor that I had never known or considered before, and which just so happens to have direct application to why the historical record about Joseph Smith and Polygamy is so confusing and contradictory.</p>
<p>While doing the research for her biography of Joseph Smith back in the 1940&#8242;s, Fawn Brodie wrote to a friend that “the more I work with the polygamy material, the more baffled I become.” She has not been alone. Every biographer since has struggled with the dichotomy of what Joseph Smith asserted and what the historical record appears to show.</p>
<p>I think Jeff Riggenbach may have uncovered the explanation for us.<span id="more-12345"></span></p>
<h3><strong>Correcting The Past</strong></h3>
<p>If the study of history can be defined as &#8220;the science of discovering what happened,&#8221; then revisionism is the forensic science of methodically re-sifting through the evidence of the past to get at the truth of what <em>really</em> happened. According to Joseph R. Stromberg, “revisionism refers to any efforts to revise a faulty existing historical record or interpretation.”</p>
<p>Harry Elmer Barnes, the father of modern revisionist history, describes revisionism as “the effort to revise the historical record in the light of a more complete collection of historical facts, a more calm political atmosphere, and a more objective attitude.” As Riggenbach himself succinctly puts it, “We need to revise the historical record when we have new facts.”</p>
<p>What surprised me about Riggenbach’s book &#8212; and which is directly applicable to our discussion here &#8212; is his revelation that until quite recently there was no such thing as “history” as we usually think of it; that is, the kind of history that could actually be relied upon:</p>
<blockquote><p>“It was the tail end of the 19th century before the calling of the historian had been professionalized and academicized to such an extent that a majority of practitioners in the field had come to hold the view of their discipline that we now take for granted -the historian as dispassionate seeker of truth, a scholar, much more like an anthropologist&#8230;Still, there were holdouts.” (Pg 27)</p></blockquote>
<p>One “holdout” in the arena of Mormon historians may have been Joseph Fielding Smith, whose book <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/essentialsinchur00smitrich">Essentials in Church History</a> was a book all missionaries were armed with in my day, and which turns out to have been of no more real use to the student of Mormon history than the <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report">9/11 Commission Report</a> </em>is today for the person desiring to find out the complete truth about that particular event.  I relied upon Elder Smith’s book during my mission when I gave a presentation to a class of high school seniors in Milan, Missouri where I used it to refute “anti-Mormon lies” about Mormon complicity in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Elder Smith (an apostle at the time he wrote it) placed the blame for the massacre squarely on the local Indians and John D. Lee, who he painted as a renegade Mormon with only a tenuous connection to the church. At any rate, he strongly implied, the members of the Fancher party were asking for it and had it coming.  Even today I feel like a dupe and a fool when I remember how vehemently I defended the official church position against what was the real truth of that sordid affair.</p>
<p>But to give him his due, Joseph Fielding Smith was little different than any other compiler of American history a hundred years ago, including the most famous and reputable of all, George Bancroft, whose ten volume <em>History of the United States</em>, published in 1874, remained the unchallenged standard work for decades. But even Bancroft’s classic <em>History</em> was far from objective:</p>
<p>“Bancroft believed that his job was to write a chronicle that would make his readers proud of their country’s history, and when it suited his didactic purpose, he fabricated.” (<em>Why American History Is Not What They </em>Say, Pg 27)</p>
<p>It was not only Bancroft who was making up history to suit his agenda; Riggenbach demonstrates how this &#8220;style&#8221; was common among virtually all historians of the time. He shows how &#8220;most of them saw themselves in particular as the providers of an important kind of inspirational literature.&#8221; Facts were elastic. This practice of bending reality to fit the lesson plan was rampant in the 19th century. It was systemic. And it was considered normal. One can easily see the parallels between writers wishing to portray actions of the American government favorably, and those within the LDS church tasked with portraying Mormon history in the most positive light. According to Riggenbach:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The American history taught in most schools during the past hundred years faithfully reflected received opinion, and received opinion sees the United States as a consistent, devoted partisan of the same spirit of individual liberty that once moved its founders -a peace-loving nation that wishes the rest of the world only the best, and never goes to war except in self-defense.”</p>
<p>“Apply this set of principles to what we know of the past and, at the end of the day, you’ll wind up with quite a pile of facts that didn’t meet the criteria and now litter the cutting room floor.”</p>
<p>“The facts about the gross violations of individual liberty that have been championed by U.S. presidents almost since the beginning, for example -John Adams’s Sedition Acts, Andrew Jackson’s genocidal treatment of the American Indians, Abraham Lincoln’s military conscription (to say nothing of his suspension of habeas corpus and his imprisonment of newspaper editors who dared to disagree with his prosecution of the Civil War), William McKinley’s brutal suppression of the independence movement in the Philippines after the Spanish American War, Franklin Roosevelt’s order to round up American citizens of Japanese ancestry and imprison them in concentration camps- are any of these inconvenient facts likely to be selected for inclusion in a textbook based on the “commonly shared principle” of the saintliness of the U.S. government?” (Pg. 24)</p></blockquote>
<p>Similarly we Mormons may ask ourselves if we should really expect inconvenient facts that reflect poorly on the “saintliness” of our church leaders to find their way into books and Sunday School manuals published by the church.</p>
<h3><strong>History: It Ain’t What It Used To Be</strong></h3>
<p>In 1972 the church appointed LDS Professor Leonard J. Arrington as the official Church Historian. This was the first time a real historian, a trained academic, had been given that post. This important office had always been held by a general authority. Arrington opened up the massive church archives to other Mormon academics, and the era of The New Mormon History was born. Surprise, surprise! That magic era didn’t last long; just barely a decade.</p>
<p>The archives were a treasure house of information for the excited historians involved. They were soon discovering things that the even the current leadership of the church hadn&#8217;t known about. Paul Toscano reports that Hyrum L. Andrus was opening wooden crates full of church records that had been nailed shut since they left Nauvoo in 1846. All kinds of fascinating stuff was in there. Books and essays were written based on these newly found letters, diaries, journals, newspapers, and records. But not all of the information in these documents was seen as favorable to church leadership. Some of the revisions seemed to contradict elements of what had become the official church history.</p>
<p>A massively ambitious multi-volume church history was planned, utilizing the talents of the church&#8217;s most qualified scholars and historians. Then one day the order came down from on high to scrap the project, and the historian&#8217;s office was &#8220;reorganized.&#8221; Arrington, who had been introduced at general conference with great fanfare for a vote of approval ten years earlier, was quietly released in 1982 without even a mention in conference or any vote of thanks. The position of Church Historian was again placed into the hands of a trusted general authority. The archives were closed to all but a select few, and have remained closed to this day.</p>
<p>For a fascinating example of the work of a revisionist Mormon historian, and and insight as to why revisionism is such a volatile subject to some within the church, let’s look at Richard Van Wagoner’s reexamination of the famous transmogrification of Brigham Young.</p>
<h3><strong>Mighty Morphing Fact Arrangers</strong></h3>
<p>We all know the basic story. It goes something like this. After the death of Joseph and Hyrum, the church was left leaderless. So the million dollar question on everyone&#8217;s mind: Who was next in line to lead it? A meeting was called, and Sidney Rigdon was first to speak. As the story goes, Rigdon got up and campaigned for himself to be the new prophet. Then it was Brigham Young’s turn, and as he spoke, the gathered throng witnessed a miracle. It looked to them as if Brigham Young had been transformed into Joseph Smith before their very eyes. Brigham’s visage became Joseph’s visage, his voice was Joseph’s voice, his mannerisms were Joseph’s. Clearly the spirit of Joseph Smith himself had returned to witness to the membership that Brigham Young was his anointed successor.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way most of us have heard it, but virtually every element of that story is false. Nothing even remotely resembling the described supernatural transformation took place. How do we know? We have new facts. Using letters, diaries, journals, newspaper accounts, and church records, Van Wagoner walks us through the event. He revises the history. You can read his essay here: <em><a href="http://www.mormonismi.net/pdf/myth_creation.pdf">The Making of a Mormon Myth</a></em>. (You can find another excellent analysis by Reid L. Harper in the Fall 1996 <em>Journal of Mormon History</em>.)</p>
<p>The simple but true facts are that on August 8th, 1844, Sidney Rigdon, as remaining member of the First Presidency, spoke to a large gathering of the Saints, advocating that the church continue to be led by a triumvirate with himself as President. The next day, Brigham Young gave a speech proposing that the church instead should be governed by the twelve apostles as a body. He was not campaigning to be the next leader himself, nor would anyone have accepted him if he had made such a proposal. The membership eventually voted in favor of Brigham’s plan because he made the better speech and it was considered wiser that church government be spread among the twelve rather than to continue with a new First Presidency under the ailing Sidney Rigdon.</p>
<p>And that was it. No image, no visions, no voice. Just a rip-roaring good sermon by Brigham Young. There was no transfiguration of Brigham Young into the form of Joseph Smith, no morphing, no eerie ghost noises, no nothing.</p>
<p>Again, how do we know? From primary sources; the letters, diaries, journals, and newspapers of the time. Brigham&#8217;s speech was reported on in detail in both Nauvoo newspapers and recorded by scribes for the official church records. Hundreds of members present wrote about Brigham&#8217;s persuasive argument in great detail in their private journals. Nowhere was there a mention of the miraculous or divine. Not a hint.</p>
<p>Until years later.</p>
<p>Van Wagoner takes us through the transformation; not the transformation of Brigham to Joseph, but the transformation from historical truth to historical legend.</p>
<h3><strong>You Really Had To Be There </strong></h3>
<p>After the saints were settled in Utah, church leadership began to shake out in the form of a hierarchy with certain apostles recognized as having seniority over others. Almost immediately Brigham Young forsook the plan he had proposed that church affairs should be administered by the Twelve equally, and quietly adopted the plan that had been proposed by Sidney Rigdon &#8212; with himself in Sidney Rigdon&#8217;s place.</p>
<p>Although in his famous speech in the grove at Nauvoo Brigham had insisted that “you can’t put anyone at the head of the Twelve,” in no time he managed to maneuver himself at the head of the Twelve and into the role of successor to the prophet Joseph Smith. This aggrandizement was not what the Saints had originally voted for, but Brigham had more than proven his leadership abilities by getting them across the plains and settled in, and who were they to question the senior member of the Quorum?</p>
<p>It was soon being spoken about that “the mantle of Joseph had fallen on Brigham.” What that meant exactly was anybody’s guess. “Mantle” is both a verb and a noun, and is a very abstract term in this sense. Nothing tangible or spiritual or visible had actually “fallen” on Brigham Young. It was meant as a metaphor. But in 1857, 13 years after the speech in the grove, Albert Carrington took the account one step further. In a speech before a huge gathering of Saints, he said that he couldn’t tell Brigham from Joseph that day when Brigham was speaking.</p>
<p>Someone else soon claimed that he had sensed the very spirit of Joseph Smith while Brigham had been speaking. Then another person declared that he saw the very personage of Joseph take over Brigham’s body.</p>
<p>That was all it took. Mark Twain has famously said that a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on. Human nature being what it is, there was soon no shortage of pioneers declaring that they had seen the miraculous transformation too. It was a sign! It was a miracle! Brigham Young had been transformed by the spirit of Joseph Smith into the image of Joseph Smith himself!</p>
<p>Some of the most prominent church leaders got caught up in the illusion. “His words went through me like electricity,&#8221; testified apostle Orson Hyde in 1869, “It was not the voice of Joseph Smith but there were the features, the gestures, and even the stature of Joseph before us in the person of Brigham.”</p>
<p>Eight years later, a full thirty-three years after the original event, Hyde went even further. On second thought, it <em>was</em> the voice of Joseph Smith after all, and more:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I heard the voice of Joseph through him, and it was as familiar to me as the voice of my wife, the voice of my child, or the voice of my father. And not only the voice of Joseph did I distinctly and unmistakably hear, but I saw the very gestures of his person, the very features of his countenance, and if I mistake not, the very size of his person appeared on the stand. And it went through me with the thrill of conviction that Brigham was the man to lead this people. And from that day to the present there has not been a query or a doubt upon my mind with regard to the divinity of his appointment; I know that he was the man selected of God to fill the position he now holds.”</p></blockquote>
<p>There’s just one problem with Orson Hyde’s testimony. He wasn’t there. Orson Hyde did not arrive in Nauvoo until August 13th.</p>
<p>Other prominent Mormons who weren’t present added their testimonies too. John D. Lee’s personal diary, Van Wagoner tells us, “makes it clear that he did not return to Nauvoo until 20 August, nearly two weeks later.” But that didn’t stop Lee from later saying &#8220;I myself, at the time, imagined that I saw and heard a strong resemblance to the Prophet in him.&#8221; Wilford Woodruff told the story from the pulpit many times over the years, embellishing it more than any of the others with each retelling. Interestingly, Woodruff <em>was</em> present that day and had written the most detailed and complete contemporary account of Brigham’s speech on the day he gave it. But in that original account he failed to mention any of the supernatural sights and sounds he miraculously recalled years later.</p>
<p>If the church leadership were inclined to exaggerate, the rank and file were up to the challenge too. According to Van Wagoner:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Retrospective retellings of a ‘transfiguration,’ in a variety of forms, can be found in dozens of sources, yet no two seem to agree on precise details. Elizabeth Haven Barlow, a cousin of Brigham Young, for example, wrote that her mother told her that ‘thousands in that assembly’ saw Young ‘take on the form of Joseph Smith and heard his voice change to that of the Prophet’s.’ Eliza Ann Perry Benson reminisced that the Saints arose ‘from their seats enmass’ exclaiming ‘Joseph has come! He is here!’”</p></blockquote>
<p>Too bad the newspapers neglected to notice the crowd going wild. It would have made good copy.</p>
<p>Thankfully, not every member of the church got caught up in the collective delusion. According to Van Wagoner:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bishop George Miller, present at the gathering, later recalled that nothing supernatural had occurred on that day. Young made a “long and loud harangue,” Miller later wrote, for which I “could not see any point in the course of his remarks than to overturn Sidney Rigdon’s pretensions.”</p></blockquote>
<h3><strong>Why It Matters, And Why It Doesn’t</strong></h3>
<p>Just as 19th century historian George Bancroft believed there was nothing wrong with fabricating and reshaping the facts as long as the resulting stories “would make his readers proud of their country’s history”, so did 19th century Mormons profess to fudging the facts if it led to promoting the faith. But such Mormon urban legends have a way of backfiring. Rather than strengthening testimonies, once the deception is revealed, testimonies are often destroyed. Witness the hordes of good and faithful people leaving the church in droves every year after discovering their testimonies were dependent on deeply held beliefs that had been manipulated by those they trusted most.</p>
<p>Nearly a hundred years ago B.H. Roberts was already concerned about this trend:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Suppose your youth receive their impressions of church history from ‘pictures and stories’ and build their faith upon these alleged miracles [and] shall someday come face to face with the fact that their belief rests on falsehoods; what then will be the result? Will they not say that since these things are myth and our Church has permitted them to be perpetuated …might not the other fundamentals to the actual story of the Church, the things in which it had its origin, might they not all be lies and nothing but lies?”</p></blockquote>
<h3><strong>Whack-a-Mole Wives</strong></h3>
<p>Members and ex-members alike deserve to take an objective look at the women who started popping up in late nineteenth century Utah claiming to have once been secretly married to Joseph Smith. We deserve to carefully analyze their claims one by one, and that&#8217;s just the kind of research <a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/jsfp-index.htm">Richard and Pamela Price</a> have been engaged in for over thirty years.</p>
<p>Are these tales of secret marriages not that much different from tales of miraculous transfigurations, thought to aid in affirming the glorious doctrines of The Lord&#8217;s True Church? If an apostle could claim to witness a miracle he did not see, is it not conceivable that a woman might claim a marriage she did not experience? Did any of these women come forward earlier than the late 1870&#8242;s? Do we have any contemporary accounts of their secret marriages written in their diaries at the time they supposedly took place? Why don’t we hear anything of this until these women were well past middle age and the practice of plural marriage was under attack? Anyone could have claimed to have been married to Joseph Smith, since the marriages were alleged to have been secret and no marriage certificates exist. One wife would not even have known about any of the others. “You were married to Joseph Smith? No kidding! I was married to Joseph Smith!</p>
<p>“Well, howdy-do and pleased ta meetcha!”</p>
<p>All of these dubious claims were made by women who were firm believers in The Principle, having lived their entire adult lives as plural wives, nearly all of them to men of prominence in Utah society. They were absolutely convinced that the doctrine was introduced by Joseph, so a little exaggeration to affirm the legitimacy of the practice couldn&#8217;t hurt. Doubtless some of these gals may have come to believe Joseph Smith actually would have married them for real if he had actually met them.</p>
<p>Let’s take a quick look at just a couple of cases of women who have been presented to me as proof positive, absolutely-airtight-smoking-gun-evidence that Joseph Smith was a sex-obsessed Lothario.</p>
<h3><strong>The Smoking Gun Is A Toy Cap Pistol</strong></h3>
<h4><strong>1. Nancy Rigdon</strong></h4>
<p>Nancy Rigdon was the pretty nineteen year old daughter of First Councilor Sidney Rigdon, and the way the story is often told, Joseph Smith made advances toward her in a letter and she rejected him.</p>
<p>In volume II of <em><a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/jsfp-index.htm">Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy</a></em>, the Prices examine this story in depth and document all the juicy details. You can read the complete analysis on their website <em><a href="http://restorationbookstore.org/articles/nopoligamy/jsfp-visionarticles/bennett6letter.htm">here</a></em> . I’ll give you the short version.</p>
<p>A letter was delivered to Miss Rigdon which she was told was from Joseph Smith. The letter did not contain Joseph’s signature, and Miss Rigdon rejected it because she knew where it had come from. She suspected it was the work of John C. Bennett, who held incriminating knowledge about her seduction by Chauncey Higbee and hoped for her cooperation in entrapping Joseph. What ended up happening to the poor girl was that her affair with Higbee was made public, causing her no end of humiliation.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t you know it, Bennett somehow had a copy of that letter to Nancy Rigdon of his own, which he published in the Sangamo Journal, and later in his book, claiming it was written by Joseph Smith to Nancy Rigdon. Gee, I wonder how he got that copy?</p>
<p>Joseph Smith made affidavit denying authorship of the letter, and Nancy Rigdon herself affirmed it had not come from Smith, “nor in his hand writing, but by another person, and in another person&#8217;s hand writing.” Nancy’s father didn’t believe the letter was from Joseph either. Neither copy of the notorious letter has been found to this day. All we know of it is from what Bennett published.</p>
<p>Some smoking gun.</p>
<h4><strong>2. Helen Mar Kimball</strong></h4>
<p>I suppose if we came across the diary of an innocent fourteen year old girl expressing horrified apprehension about her upcoming wedding to Joseph Smith, a grown man in his mid thirties, that would be pretty damning evidence, wouldn’t it?</p>
<p>That’s how the journal of Helen Mar Kimball is often presented. But the journal was written by Helen when she was nearly fifty and had been one of the plural wives of Orson F. Whitney her entire adult life. Helen tells a retrospective tale of desiring to be obedient to her father who wished her to be given to the Prophet to wife. The actual purpose of her story was to bolster support for the practice of plural marriage, to which she was a devoted acolyte.</p>
<p>Far from being the private diary of a frightened underage girl, this was a story Helen composed in the late 1870&#8242;s which she wrote for publication. Her story has all the earmarks of the type of fabricated &#8220;history&#8221; created to build testimonies among those who may have come to question the doctrine of plural marriage. Her conclusion was that plural marriage was wonderful. She was in with both feet. Why, she even had the privilege of being married at one time to the living Prophet himself, that&#8217;s how super-duper the whole thing was.</p>
<p>“I learned that plural marriage is a celestial principle,” she testified, “and saw&#8230; the necessity of obedience to those who hold the priesthood, and the danger of rebelling against or speaking lightly of the Lord’s anointed.”</p>
<p>Helen makes it clear in an accompanying poem that her marriage to Joseph was for eternity only. That is, the marriage was never consummated. This is a typical caveat of the women who came forward with these claims. They seemed to enjoy the status of an eternal marriage to the famous founder of their faith, but most were careful to make the point that there was never any hanky-panky going on. Joseph would claim them as his celestial mates later in the hereafter. They even had themselves sealed &#8220;again&#8221; to Joseph in the Utah temple in case anybody didn&#8217;t believe them.</p>
<p>Those who insist that Joseph Smith was a sex-obsessed letch scoring dozens of clandestine conquests at Nauvoo will have to explain to me how the biggest celebrity in the city, during the busiest time of his life and with everyone&#8217;s eyes constantly watching his every move, would be able to woo, court, and wed two to three women every month. And then explain to me this unusual talent he had for constantly picking ladies who refused to put out.</p>
<p>Helen Mar Kimball’s purpose in writing her tract was to help bolster support for “The Principle” at a time when it was coming under attack from outside the church and generating questions inside. Like anyone else of her generation and in her position, when it suited her purpose, she fabricated. She didn&#8217;t write what she did because she was fishing for sympathy, she was trolling for converts.</p>
<h3><strong>Art or Science?</strong></h3>
<p>Today the study of history is a social science, no longer the malleable &#8220;art&#8221; that it was prior to the twentieth century. So perhaps it&#8217;s time Mormons as well as ex-Mormons applied the scientific process when trying to determine whether Joseph Smith was being honest in his denunciation of polygamy, or whether he was a flaming hypocrite.</p>
<p>&#8220;Occam’s Razor&#8221; is the scientific principle embodied in the statement that “the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.” Perhaps Fawn Brodie&#8217;s frustrated bewilderment at the conflicting evidence tying Joseph Smith to plural marriage was simply a result of her having been raised in the church (as were most subsequent Joseph Smith biographers) and accepted as a “given” that the doctrine of polygamy originated with Joseph Smith. Was she predisposed to ignore the simplest explanation?</p>
<p>How many of us have ever thought to check the provenance of D&amp;C 132? Haven&#8217;t we always just assumed that it was written in Joseph&#8217;s hand? We unquestioningly accept as truth what has been handed down to us from people whose own recollections of key events changed radically depending upon the lesson they wished to convey, and who lived in a time when even the professional historians were no sticklers for accuracy.</p>
<p>After weighing all the evidence in any historical controversy, the best we can conclude about any given event is that it was <em>more likely</em> to have happened one way, and <em>less likely</em> to have happened another. Important factors to consider are primary and contemporary accounts (accounts written at the time), versus secondary accounts, hearsay, and later recollections.</p>
<p>So here’s what it comes down to. On the one hand we have countless contemporary accounts in Joseph’s own words testifying of his incessant crusade to root out polygamy in the church and his threats to prosecute its practitioners. On the other hand we have scribes as early as 1847 testifying to their complicity in tampering with the dead man&#8217;s journals, along with an entire gallery of pinch-faced dowagers appearing from out of nowhere with a claim to fame for their secret weddings to a long dead super-celebrity.</p>
<p>Taking Joseph Smith at his word and approaching the later claims as hyperbole typical of the zeitgeist is the only way to make sense of all the contradictions. It’s the only way the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. No one really knows the truth about what happened back then. I wouldn&#8217;t pretend to. I’ve only read half of the revisionist history on the topic, and I&#8217;m told there&#8217;s much more yet to be made available. But if I were to offer an early opinion based on the evidence I’ve seen so far, I would have to say that it seems <em>more likely </em>that Joseph Smith was sincere about eradicating polygamy in the church; and given what we know about the 19th century proclivity for embellishing reality without shame as long as it was for a good cause, I’d have to conclude that it’s <em>less likely </em>that we can rely on the claims of Joseph Smith’s several “wives”.</p>
<p>I don’t quite understand this reluctance some people have -both believing Mormons as well as others raised in the parochial Mormon culture- to automatically reject new information that might force a paradigm shift in their thinking. I like how B.H. Roberts looked at it: “I find my own heart strengthened in the truth by getting rid of the untruth, the spectacular, the bizarre, as soon as I learn that it is based upon worthless testimony.”</p>
<p>I actually like discovering I might have been wrong about something. It&#8217;s kind of exhilarating. It tells me I’m still learning.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve occasionally heard a curious phrase&#8230;&#8221;Doubt your doubts.&#8221; &#8220;Be skeptical of your skepticism.&#8221; I have wondered what these phrases could mean and of what import they could be. In the past, the sheer foreignness of these admonitions has been like a Langford basilisk to me &#8212; I can&#8217;t help but take the words in, but my mind, uncomprehending, does not deal with them. Part of this mental incomprehensibility is the voluntaristic nature of beliefs that it presents. I understand that many people think differently, but I do not imagine consciously choosing to believe or to doubt something. Rather, my beliefs and doubts seem to me the unconscious conclusions of evaluation of the data I perceive. So, in the past, I didn&#8217;t think about what such a phrase could mean, and when I did, I concluded that the phrase was just a cheap attack. But like the idea of Langford&#8217;s basilisk, my mind only required time and a somewhat more comprehensive, yet similar concept to recall the uncomprehended and incomprehensible and crash. I have often thought about what it  means to &#8220;leave the church, but not leave it alone.&#8221; This is another phrase frequently flung at the faithless flock, but immediately easier [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve occasionally heard a curious phrase&#8230;&#8221;Doubt your doubts.&#8221; &#8220;Be skeptical of your skepticism.&#8221; I have wondered what these phrases could mean and of what import they could be.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.empireeternal.com/wp-content/uploads/cognitive_hazard.png"><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.empireeternal.com/wp-content/uploads/cognitive_hazard.png" alt="Langford Basilisk" width="233" height="240" /></a>In the past, the sheer foreignness of these admonitions has been like a Langford <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Langford#Basilisks">basilisk</a> to me &#8212; I can&#8217;t help but take the words in, but my mind, uncomprehending, does not deal with them. Part of this mental incomprehensibility is the voluntaristic nature of beliefs that it presents. I understand that many people think differently, but <em>I</em> <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/do-we-consciously-choose-our-beliefs/">do not imagine consciously choosing to believe</a> or to doubt something. Rather, my beliefs and doubts seem to me the unconscious conclusions of evaluation of the data I perceive.</p>
<p>So, in the past, I didn&#8217;t think about what such a phrase could mean, and when I did, I concluded that the phrase was just a cheap attack.</p>
<p>But like the idea of Langford&#8217;s basilisk, my mind only required time and a somewhat more comprehensive, yet similar concept to recall the uncomprehended and incomprehensible and crash.</p>
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<p>I have often thought about what it  means to &#8220;leave the church, but not leave it alone.&#8221; This is another phrase frequently flung at the faithless flock, but immediately easier to grasp. I can understand why a member would want someone who disbelieves, disagrees, and disaffiliates to disengage, disassociate, and desist (although I believe this <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/leave-the-church-but-cant-leave-it-alone-redux/">may not capture</a> why the person &#8220;does not leave the church alone&#8221; in the first place.) I have read other <a href="http://ldsconversionconfusion.com/2010/07/13/the-cutting-edge-joyous-adult-convert-interviews-full-time-antiex-mormon/">members&#8217;</a> <a href="http://ldsconversionconfusion.com/2010/07/13/anti-mormon-bores-me/">dealings</a> <a href="http://ldsconversionconfusion.com/2010/07/16/how-anti-mormon-tweets-strengthened-my-faith/">with</a> &#8220;full-time&#8221; anti-Mormons (the twitter-engaged ones, at least), and I have myself <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/my-life-with-anti-mormon-obsession/">dealt with accusations of being an anti-Mormon</a>. And I have grappled with the idea of engaging with Mormonism, of loving Mormonism <em>despite</em> not believing and not engaging with a physical community. What can such a thing even mean?</p>
<p>I have at times been discouraged to write here at Mormon Matters, because sometimes I feel it <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/excuses-for-not-blogging-part-ii/">could damage</a> the <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/excuses-for-not-blogging-part-iii/">site&#8217;s reputation</a> among our brethren in the Bloggernacle. <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/not-so-big-tent-mormonism/">Is Mormonism a big tent</a> or not?</p>
<p>In my quiet considerations, others have been quite charitable. They have expressed how I&#8217;m always welcome&#8230;how a break is a natural or a good thing. Some have gone so far to say that separating, that moving on completely, is a natural or a good thing.</p>
<p>And here I have come to doubt, and to doubt my doubts.</p>
<p>I feel like the comments from the others are an inception. An inception comes from another, but must be planted far enough in the subconscious so as to seem as if it comes from the self. And so, as others have suggested, &#8220;It&#8217;s ok to move away from Mormon blogging if you doubt your goals and purposes within both the blog and the Mormonism,&#8221; I have understood the savory sensibility of this simple statement, and I have adopted it as my own simple statement. But I have also doubted this doubt, and doubted this statement.</p>
<p>I have doubted my doubt that (blogging about) Mormonism can remain compelling or relevant to me.</p>
<p>A while back, I was reading an entry from a friend <a href="http://usu-shaft.com/2010/and-it-came-to-pass-that-i-started-an-exceedingly-awesome-series-about-the-book-of-mormon/">introducing his series into the Book of Mormon</a>. He, like me, does not believe, but he stated:</p>
<blockquote><p>I disagree with Elder Holland that the only available answer is that Joseph Smith translated an ancient American history by the power of god&#8230;But I do actually agree with Elder Holland on this point: Some critics are too quick to dismiss the Book of Mormon. And while the burden of proof rests primarily with its believers, I nonetheless think we owe the Book of Mormon more than just an indifferent shrug or rolled eyes. That’s why I’m writing this series—to grapple honestly with the Book of Mormon.</p></blockquote>
<p>I had at the time challenged the idea that we owe more than just an indifferent shrug or rolled eyes. I&#8217;d probably still challenge the idea, because I believe that what we &#8220;owe&#8221; the Book of Mormon &#8212; or any text &#8212; is not some universal prescription inscribed in pristine marble, but is tied to our personal motivations. His prescription, I thought, reflected <em>his</em> motivations and desires to grapple honestly with the book.</p>
<p>With time, I have come to see blogging in a similar way. I know people who would say this is inferior to parking my posterior in a pew, or to diving into the doctrines of official scriptures. I know others who would say it doesn&#8217;t make sense to try to &#8220;grapple with&#8221; blogging once I&#8217;ve &#8220;burnt out.&#8221; Perhaps they are all right.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I feel this, my sincere if substandard offering, is worth offering, if only for myself.</p>
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		<title>Faith, Knowledge, Belief, and Stochastic Theory Part 1</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Faith has always been a perplexing topic for me. The definitions we hear in church, and in the scriptures seem to come up short. Furthermore, faith is almost always accompanied by a discussion of knowledge and belief. But faith is generally what is defined in the scriptures, and we typically just accept the colloquial meanings of knowledge and belief. Our Concept of Faith We typically turn to two scriptural sources for understanding faith. In Hebrews 11:1 we read: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Additionally, in Alma 32:21 it says: And now as I said concerning faith &#8211; faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true. In Mormonism I think we have a hard time reconciling faith in large part because of our scriptures coupled with the &#8220;faith&#8221; it requires to believe our foundational truth claims. For example, why doesn&#8217;t God just come down to all of us and show us an &#8220;unmistakable witness&#8221; such that everyone &#8220;knows&#8221; beyond doubt that he is God? Furthermore, rather than a prophet expounding God&#8217;s plan, he [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faith has always been a perplexing topic for me.  The definitions we hear in church, and in the scriptures seem to come up short.  Furthermore, faith is almost always accompanied by a discussion of knowledge and belief.  But faith is generally what is defined in the scriptures, and we typically just accept the colloquial meanings of knowledge and belief.<span id="more-11569"></span></p>
<h4>Our Concept of Faith</h4>
<p>We typically turn to two scriptural sources for understanding faith.  In Hebrews 11:1 we read:</p>
<blockquote><p>Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Additionally, in Alma 32:21 it says:</p>
<blockquote><p>And now as I said concerning faith &#8211; faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.</p></blockquote>
<p>In Mormonism I think we have a hard time reconciling faith in large part because of our scriptures coupled with the &#8220;faith&#8221; it requires to believe our foundational truth claims.  For example, why doesn&#8217;t God just come down to all of us and show us an &#8220;unmistakable witness&#8221; such that everyone &#8220;knows&#8221; beyond doubt that he is God?  Furthermore, rather than a prophet expounding God&#8217;s plan, he himself could give it to us so we &#8220;knew&#8221; it came from him.  From The Book of Mormon we have several examples where such &#8220;knowledge&#8221; was quickly turned to doubt and sin.  We use these examples to show that such &#8220;knowledge&#8221; doesn&#8217;t produce the faith required for salvation.  Many Mormons will argue that if such manifestations occurred it would be too easy to &#8220;know&#8221; the truth and faith would no longer be required (which we know is unacceptable since faith is required for salvation).  As a sidenote, I&#8217;d like to point out the irony that most members &#8220;know&#8221; the church to be true, which, according to this reasoning means faith is no longer required for most members.</p>
<p>This feels tragically flawed to me.  Did Joseph Smith have faith?  I think so, yet he ostensibly saw God and Jesus Christ many times and surely &#8220;knew&#8221; beyond a reasonable doubt that they existed.  Was Joseph somehow at a disadvantage because he had actually seen God?  Was his faith destroyed by his &#8220;knowledge&#8221;?  Why was Joseph&#8217;s vision acceptable, not destroying his faith, but a &#8220;sign&#8221; would not be acceptable because it would destroy faith?</p>
<p>The situation gets even worse.  When someone expresses doubt in the church&#8217;s truth claims, they are often labeled as lacking faith.  This may feel (to the doubtful individual) like an accusation of being too weak to accept things on faith.  Or perhaps that the individual must check their logic and reasoning at the door in order to have the faith necessary for salvation.  It marginalizes those who have different thresholds of faith, belief, and knowledge, and elevates those who have faith no matter how ridiculous the claims may be.  This type of sentiment may also be responsible for the cultural notion that the widow who sacrifices her last dollar to tithing, rather than buying food for her children is somehow more righteous/spiritual/faithful than one who would not.  Examples of faith are couched in terms of individuals who appear to act irrationally to a non-LDS third party observer.</p>
<h4>Stochastic Processes</h4>
<p>Stochastic processes are processes that are non-deterministic.  In other words, they are random, or based on probability theory.  To fully elaborate on this theory we need some definitions (I apologize to the mathematics averse, but please bear with me as it will give us some powerful tools to discuss some very important topics):</p>
<ul>
<li>Random variable: a random variable is neither random, nor a variable (crazy I know).  Rather it is a function (a mathematical function).  A random variable maps the possible outcomes of a random event to a set of unique numerical values.  For example, a random variable for a fair two-sided coin might be X=1 (if heads), 0 (if tails).</li>
<li>Probability Density Function (PDF): the probability density function describes the relative likelihood for the outcomes of a particular random variable.  An example of this could be a regular &#8220;bell curve&#8221; distribution describing how a group of students performed on a test.  We may also refer (with an abuse of notation) to a PDF as a distribution.  (NOTE: for the mathematically inclined, I am intentionally blurring the lines between discrete and continuous random variables.  Additionally, for simplicity sake I am merging the concepts of probability density function and probability distribution, though they are in fact different)</li>
<li>Frequentists: frequentists interpret probability as a measure of probability of an event in a large number of trials.  For example, if I tell the frequentist that the probability of landing on either heads or tails of a fair two-sided coin are 1/2 the frequentist may reason as follows: since the probability of landing on either heads or tails is 1/2, that means if we toss a coin a certain number of times, I expect that half the time it will land on heads, and the other half on tails.</li>
<li>Bayesians: bayesians interpret probability in a more subjective manner using probability as a measure of personal confidence.  If I tell the bayesian the same information he/she may reason as follows: since the probability of landing on either heads or tails is 1/2, and I had to place a bet on what the outcome of one specific coin toss might be, I have no reason to have more confidence in the coin landing on one side over the other.  Therefore placing my bet on heads is just as good as tails.</li>
<li>Let A be an event or outcome (doesn&#8217;t matter what it is), P(A) is the probability of said event occurring.</li>
<li>Mean (describes a PDF or distribution): let us loosely define this to be &#8220;the most probable event or outcome.&#8221;  It could also be simply an arithmetic average, but the first definition is better for my purposes.  In reality, the mean is the expected value of the random variable where expected value has a precise mathematical meaning analogous to the concept of the center of mass in classical mechanics.</li>
<li>Standard deviation (describes a PDF or distribution): let us loosely<img class="size-full wp-image-11580 alignright" title="FileStandard deviation diagram" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/FileStandard-deviation-diagram.png" alt="" width="320" height="160" /> define standard deviation as the variability from the mean.  Often the standard deviation is an indication of how confident we should be in the mean.  The proper definition is the square root of variance.  Variance is the second central moment of a real-valued random variable.</li>
<li>A normal distribution (Gaussian distribution, or bell curve): a normal distribution is the one you are all most likely familiar with &#8211; a regular bell curve.</li>
<li>The prior distribution: our distribution of confidence before we add any data (may be a uniform distribution, indicating all things are equiprobable).</li>
<li>The posterior distribution: the distribution of confidence after accounting for all the data.</li>
</ul>
<h4>Using Stochastic Theory</h4>
<p>Stochastic theory allows us to quantify our uncertainty in various processes.  This relies heavily on the bayesian concept defined above (for now let&#8217;s forget about the frequentists).  Bayesians use probability to describe their confidence in a certain event or outcome.  Let&#8217;s walk through an example:</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/test_scores_std_dev_2.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-11594" title="test_scores_std_dev_2" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/test_scores_std_dev_2-300x224.png" alt="" width="300" height="224" /></a>Let&#8217;s suppose I have a class of 30 students.  I am going to give them the same exam I gave a similar group of students 5 years ago.  From my previous class the results yielded a very nice bell curve (normal distribution) with a mean of 75% and a standard deviation of 2.  If I am to predict how well a single student will perform (ignoring all other extraneous information), I might say, with a fair amount of confidence, that the student will score a 75%.  The small standard deviation gives me this confidence.</p>
<p>Conversely, let&#8217;s consider the same scenario, only this time the previous results<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/test_scores_std_dev_10.png"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-11595" title="test_scores_std_dev_10" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/test_scores_std_dev_10-300x225.png" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a>yielded a bell curve with a mean of 75% and a standard deviation of 10.  This time, I might be much less confident in predicting a student scores a 75%, but I still would predict a score of 75%.</p>
<p>We can see that a combination of the mean, and standard deviation, in this example, gives us a mechanism for predicting a student&#8217;s score as well as evidence for assessing our confidence in that prediction.</p>
<h4>Faith as Confidence</h4>
<p>The tools of stochastic theory give us a method of modeling and understanding our confidence in various outcomes or events.  I propose a new mechanism for understanding and discussing faith, knowledge, and belief &#8211; namely the bayesian notion of confidence.  I think this has several major advantages:</p>
<ul>
<li>It levels the playing field and creates understanding.  We no longer have to argue over the semantics of faith, knowledge, or belief.  We can shift the argument to what really matters &#8211; the evidence.</li>
<li>It admits all forms of &#8220;evidence&#8221; including personal spiritual manifestations and allows each individual to weight the evidence as he/she sees fit.  That &#8220;evidence&#8221; can then easily be incorporated into the confidence distribution.</li>
<li>It removes the tendency to label.  That is to say, it would be acknowledged that those who doubt truth claims have different weights attached to certain pieces of evidence.  We might argue over the proper weighting one ought to give to a certain piece of evidence, but one&#8217;s weighting does not make him or her more or less faithful, just different.</li>
<li>It is intuitively satisfying and generally describes human behavior.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m really elaborating on anything that most of you don&#8217;t already know or have thought about.  I&#8217;m just spelling it out more clearly and hopefully giving you some technical tools for visualizing it.</li>
<li>The only definition of irrational is not acting in accordance with one&#8217;s confidence.  Even those who act according to a &#8220;whisper from the Holy Ghost&#8221; against their better judgment are seen as rational since they clearly weight the &#8220;whisper from the Holy Ghost&#8221; more than their judgment.</li>
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<p>In part two of this post I will walk through an example of how I think this theory enlightens the faith discussion, levels the playing field, and accurately describes what we really mean when talking about faith, knowledge, and belief.</p>
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		<title>A Control Freak&#8217;s Lament</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/02/a-control-freaks-lament/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Euhemerus</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m a control freak. Yep, both professionally, by training, and naturally. I like to be in control of machines, robots, airplanes, my life, my spirituality, my kids, my wife, etc. Some of this is healthy! Some if it is not. Yet, despite my proclivity to control I occassionally find myself in situations where I am not in control of my emotions, my spirituality, etc. For the bulk of my not-so-long life I have been in a perpetual cycle of shame with varying frequency and intensity. My worldview was shaped by my Mormon upbringing and I worked diligently to fit the mold completely. I was a good kid. No, I was a GREAT kid! Seriously, I did well in school, got my Eagle Scout, served a successful mission, never committed any egregious sins, read my scriptures nightly all through my teenage years, never touched any coffee, tea, tobacco, or alcohol, and pretty much put a checkmark in every box in the proverbial Mormon checklist! Nevertheless, this was part of the cycle. As long as I was perfect I never had any problems. I merrily went on my way convinced my worldview was a correct interpretation of my existence, assured that my [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a control freak.  Yep, both professionally, by training, and naturally.  I like to be in control of machines, robots, airplanes, my life, my spirituality, my kids, my wife, etc.  Some of this is healthy!  Some if it is not.  Yet, despite my proclivity to control I occassionally find myself in situations where I am not in control of my emotions, my spirituality, etc.<span id="more-11492"></span></p>
<p>For the bulk of my not-so-long life I have been in a perpetual cycle of shame with varying frequency and intensity.  My worldview was shaped by my Mormon upbringing and I worked diligently to fit the mold completely.  I was a good kid.  No, I was a GREAT kid!  Seriously, I did well in school, got my Eagle Scout, served a successful mission, never committed any egregious sins, read my scriptures nightly all through my teenage years, never touched any coffee, tea, tobacco, or alcohol, and pretty much put a checkmark in every box in the proverbial Mormon checklist!</p>
<p>Nevertheless, this was part of the cycle.  As long as I was perfect I never had any problems.  I merrily went on my way convinced my worldview was a correct interpretation of my existence, assured that my lifestyle choice would reap rewards.  I will not deny that this leaked over into a self-righteous attitude which, on more than one occassion, led to my snarkiness toward those whom I perceived were not living these standards.  In fact, though I&#8217;ve not been told this, I hold this attitude responsible for destroying more than one relationship in my life.</p>
<p>But alas, I am not perfect.  I make mistakes, and when I do, I beat myself up badly over them.  Keep in mind I&#8217;m not talking about major things here like murder, or chastity sins, or something, I&#8217;m talking about little things &#8211; things that really should be in the noise.  It&#8217;s these times when the shame monster rears its ugly head and takes a bite out of my otherwise healthy self-esteem.  This isn&#8217;t just some sort of twinge of guilt I feel, but shame, pure, and awful!  And it doesn&#8217;t go away until I beat myself up emotionally to a sufficient level.  Obviously the shame is further aggravated by the sure knowledge that once again I have failed to live up the expectations my worldview dictates.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s during these times the control freak in me is like a belligerent 5-year old, wanting to get his way, using all sorts of behavioral tricks, tantrums, pouting, all to try and restore order, control, and most importantly that self-confidence that has been shredded!  During these times the result might be anger, or a bout with depression.  Perhaps the object of frustration becomes those I love.  In any case, until the control freak is able to restore self-esteem, things will be a bit rough.</p>
<p>Needless to say, such a paradigm is not healthy for me in the least!</p>
<p>And yet, at least one solution is as easy as allowing the control freak to dictate the terms on which I accept my involvement in my tribe.  Through my faith crisis I learned this lesson very poignantly.  I was in charge of my spirituality &#8211; not the church, not my bishop, not my teachers.  And just as I could not blame them for my unhealthy worldview, I could also not allow them unchecked access to it either.  It is me that decides what I should do and why I should do it.  I get to decide the terms on which I participate in my culture.  It&#8217;s true that I cannot choose the consequences, but my power of choice also allows me the possibility to insulate myself from them in my tribal context.</p>
<p>This empowerment was very enlightening to me during a dark period of my life in which I nearly left the church.  I was able to resolve and separate concerns with leaders, history, the organization itself, etc.  I could stay a member of my tribe but it would be on my terms, and it would be for my own benefit.</p>
<p>But it is hard to supplant a worldview.  Unfortunately I find myself occassionally slipping into the old cycle.  Sometimes in an ungaurded moment, the control freak forgets the conditions of my participation and leaves me vulnerable, allowing unchecked access to my healthier, but still budding worldview.  The shame soon sets in as I again realize I do not measure up to the completely impossible standard my former worldview erected.</p>
<p>It is a perpetual struggle, one that is naturally built into my personality, but is aggravated, and made to be unhealthy, by a strict culture with high standards.  Pulling myself out of the cycle is an exercise in meditation, prayer, challenging false beliefs, understanding, and above all, modifying my expectations!</p>
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		<title>Should truth be simple, easy to comprehend?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 20:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, friends and pals of MormonMatters&#8230;let&#8217;s play a game. (You just can&#8217;t get this at any of the other blogs, btw.) Some of you may have played this game before&#8230;or understand how it is played. If you do, then think back to the first time you played the game (when it was as unknown to you as it is to many), and don&#8217;t spoil it for the rest. There will be prizes. Although, they will be the nonphysical kind. OK. So, here&#8217;s the game. There are three doors in front of you. What I can tell you is that one of the door contains within a fabulous, yet utterly nonphysical prize. The other doors contain cureloms (&#8230;which I think is a goat. Maybe). Your job is to pick the door with the fabulous prize in order to win it. But I&#8217;ll tell you what I&#8217;ll do. When you&#8217;ve picked a door (but before you&#8217;ve opened it!), I will open another door that has one of the cureloms in it. I will then give you the chance to stay with your door, or switch to the final, still unopened door. &#8230;ok&#8230;so, before we get started with the game, I&#8217;ll ask you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, friends and pals of MormonMatters&#8230;let&#8217;s play a game. (You just can&#8217;t get this at any of the other blogs, btw.)</p>
<p>Some of you may have played this game before&#8230;or understand how it is played. If you do, then think back to the <strong>first</strong> time you played the game (when it was as unknown to you as it is to many), and don&#8217;t spoil it for the rest.</p>
<p>There will be prizes. Although, they will be the nonphysical kind.</p>
<p>OK. So, here&#8217;s the game.</p>
<p>There are three doors in front of you. What I can tell you is that one of the door contains within a fabulous, yet utterly nonphysical prize. The other doors contain cureloms (&#8230;which I think is a goat. Maybe). Your job is to pick the door with the fabulous prize in order to win it.</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 198px"><a href="http://mste.illinois.edu/courses/ci436fa08/folders/bwikier2/bwikier2/CI_436/Internet_Sources/MontyHall.jpg"><img src="http://mste.illinois.edu/courses/ci436fa08/folders/bwikier2/bwikier2/CI_436/Internet_Sources/MontyHall.jpg" alt="Monty Hall Problem" width="188" height="141" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Here are your three doors</p></div>
<p>But I&#8217;ll tell you what I&#8217;ll do. When you&#8217;ve picked a door (but before you&#8217;ve opened it!), I will open another door that has one of the cureloms in it. I will then give you the chance to <strong>stay</strong> with your door, or <strong>switch</strong> to the final, still unopened door.</p>
<p>&#8230;ok&#8230;so, before we get started with the game, I&#8217;ll ask you a question. After I have revealed one of the curelom-containing doors, do you think you should stay with your door, switch to the other door, or do you think it doesn&#8217;t matter?</p>
<p>[poll id="176"]</p>
<p>More after the break, folks! (Including spoilers)</p>
<p><span id="more-11195"></span></p>
<p>If you truly haven&#8217;t heard of this scenario, then please acquaint yourself with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_Problem">Monty Hall Problem</a>. Or, as some call it, the Monty Hall Paradox.</p>
<p>Why should this ever be considered a paradox? The truth&#8230;it is just so simple! It is so easy to comprehend! If I &#8212; the guy running the show &#8212; picks one of doors with the cureloms in it, then I have done you a tremendous favor. I have changed the odds from 1 in 3 to 1 in 2!</p>
<p>Of course&#8230;now that it is 50/50&#8230;it really doesn&#8217;t matter if you stay or if you switch your door. Each has an equal likelihood of containing the prize, and each has an equal likelihood of containing curelom-goat.</p>
<p>&#8230;wrong.</p>
<p>Statistically, if you switch doors, your probability of winning everything <em>doubles</em> from 1/3 to 2/3.</p>
<p>&#8230;did you see that coming? (To those of you who already saw this <em>before</em>, did you see the answer coming the first time you saw it?) Can you make sense of this truth? If you mosey back to the wikipedia page I linked you, you can see an explanation &#8212; several, actually &#8212; of the probabilities. In fact, there are freakin&#8217; <em>proofs</em>.</p>
<p>I see the Monty Hall Problem as one clear instance where what is <em>true</em> isn&#8217;t what is immediately <em>intuitive</em> or easy to comprehend (for most.) Other examples? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...">0.999~ = 1</a>. <a href="http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=428718">The plane will take off of the treadmill</a>. All of quantum physics. (I imagine that when I&#8217;m old and dying and science has come up with new physics paradigms, I&#8217;ll be eating that last one&#8230;)</p>
<p>So, that brings me to my topical question: should truth be expected to be simple or easy to comprehend?</p>
<p>Especially in Mormonism (and especially if we&#8217;ve lost or doubted or questioned our faith), we often have a nascent belief that truth should be simple. Perhaps even easy to comprehend. At the very least, when we understand true concepts and principles, it should enlighten. Make everything understood. Make sense. Our doubts often come in the situations when we find an incongruency in these expectations &#8212; we either found out that what was easy to swallow, easy to comprehend is seeming more and more unlikely to be true, or that what we have found to definitely be true is nevertheless complex, nuanced, and extremely difficult to grasp.</p>
<p>And we may know people (perhaps even ourselves) who deal with such incongruencies in different ways. We have talked endlessly of &#8220;putting things on the shelf&#8221; (or, if you will, <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/04/29/putting-things-on-a-shelf/">establishing cold cases</a>.) And when we discuss such things, different sides often respond in different ways.</p>
<p>Why should we shelve things? Don&#8217;t our doubts say meaningful things to us? Why should we continue to believe things that seem <em>unintuitive, unlikely, incredible</em> (in the more mundane sense of lacking credibility), or, well, <em>unbelievable</em>? Shouldn&#8217;t we follow our noses?</p>
<p>&#8230;or is it the case that we never ought to have expected truth to be simple and easy to comprehend? And rather than live lives where our assumptions and understood storylines seem all to work without problem, we were supposed to live with &#8212; as many people have also begun discussing &#8212; with tension, paradox, uncertainty, and mystery?</p>
<p>&#8230;nevertheless, this also produces bad business advice. I think it is one thing to say that the truth may, in fact, not be simple or easy to comprehend. However, this does not necessarily mean we should accept things that seem to us unlikely&#8230;just because we are throwing out a sense of intuition for the likeliness of truthful things (&#8230;or the truthfulness of likely things..?). But then, how do we decide which unlikelies are keepers, despite their complexity or elusiveness to grasp?</p>
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		<title>White and Delightsome or Pure and Delightsome? (Cognitive dissonance 2)</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/04/20/what-will-it-be-white-and-delightsome-or-pure-and-delightsome-cognitive-dissonance-2/</link>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change. I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white. We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with. I guess I better get down to what [...]]]></description>
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<p>I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change.<span id="more-10643"></span></p>
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<p>I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white.</p>
<p>We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with.</p>
<p>I guess I better get down to what has caused my dissonance.   Here are some statements by the prophets about a Book of Mormon passage found in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+ne+30:6&amp;do=Search">2 Nephi 30:6</a> regarding a change Lamanites would experience if they embraced the Book of Mormon.  In every edition save one (1840), the words &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; were used.  In the 1981 edition, the editors reverted to the 1840 edition&#8217;s &#8220;pure and delightsome&#8221; wording.</p>
<p><strong>Prophet Statements</strong></p>
<p><strong>President Brigham Young </strong><br />
&#8220;You may inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines of this country are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation &#8230;When the Lord has a people, he makes covenants with them and gives unto them promises: then, if they transgress his law, change his ordinances, and break his covenants he has made with them, he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites and other portions of the house of Israel; but by-and-by they will become a white and delightsome people.&#8221; (Journal of Discourses 7:336)</p>
<p><strong>W.W. Phelps to Brigham Young quoting Joseph Smith: </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;It is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites that their posterity, may become white, delightsome and just.&#8217;&#8221; In the 8 December 1831 Ohio Star, Ezra Booth wrote of a revelation directing Mormon elders to marry with the &#8220;natives.&#8221; (Sunstone, November 1993, footnote #5, pg. 52)</p>
<p><strong>Apostle Spencer W. Kimball</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today&#8230;. The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl&#8211;sixteen&#8211;sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents&#8211;on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather&#8230;.These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.&#8221; (Apostle Elder Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967)</p>
<p><strong>2 Nephi 5:21</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 <strong>Nephi 2:12-15</strong> teaches that dark-skinned Lamanites who converted unto the Lord had their curse taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;White&#8221; versus &#8220;Pure&#8221; (Maxwell Institute)</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>According to the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon, Nephi, speaking of the latter-day restoration, discussed the future conversion of Lehi&#8217;s descendants: &#8220;And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people&#8221; (2 Nephi 30:6). In 1840 the Book of Mormon was &#8220;carefully revised by the translator,&#8221; Joseph Smith, and in that edition the expression &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; was changed to &#8220;pure and delightsome.&#8221; This change seems to reflect the Prophet&#8217;s concern that modern readers might misinterpret this passage as a reference to racial changes rather than to changes in righteousness. Possibly his sojourns in Ohio and Missouri had altered his perspective of the racial connotations of the term <em>white</em> in the contemporary United States, particularly among slaves and slaveholders. He may not have gained much understanding of this matter during his upbringing in New England and New York State, where slavery was not as common.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for subsequent Latter-day Saint interpreters, following the Prophet&#8217;s death the changes in the 1840 edition of the Book of Mormon were not carried over into subsequent printings, which were instead based on an edition prepared by the Twelve Apostles in Great Britain after a copy of an earlier edition. The apostles, being in England, were not familiar with the 1840 edition. Consequently, Latter-day Saints did not reap the benefit of the Prophet&#8217;s clarification until it was restored in the 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon.  Some critics have been fond of citing statements of earlier Latter-day Saint leaders, who once interpreted 2 Nephi 30:6 to mean that conversion leads to a change of skin color; however, to use such statements today is anachronistic at best and disingenuous at worst since these statements were all expressed previous to the 1981 correction and merely echo a misinterpretation of the Book of Mormon text rather than the authoritative text itself. Moreover, a change in Lamanite skin color was clearly never intended by the &#8220;white/pure and delightsome&#8221; passage that the Prophet Joseph modified because it does not refer to the Lamanites at all, but to the Nephites and Jews in the latter days who turn to Christ (see 2 Nephi 30:1—7).</p>
<p>But is the Prophet&#8217;s change from &#8220;white&#8221; to &#8220;pure&#8221; justified in the scriptural context? The answer is yes. The terms <em>white</em> and <em>pure</em> are used synonymously in Daniel 7:9, Revelation 15:6, and Doctrine and Covenants 110:3. They are also found together in a number of passages where they clearly refer to those who are purified and redeemed by Christ (Alma 5:24; 13:12; 32:42; Mormon 9:6; D&amp;C 20:6). Similarly, Mormon expressed the hope that the Nephites &#8220;may once again be a delightsome people&#8221; (Words of Mormon 1:8).</p></blockquote>
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<p>Where I have dissonance or questions</p>
<ol>
<li>Is from how I understand the Book of Mormon and statements of past prophets contradict our view of it being pure today.</li>
<li>There has been no church conference talk that I am aware of clarifying the teachings of the past prophets i.e. President Kimball white vs pure. Many members I would suggest aren’t clear on our past beliefs and our current progressive belief on pure.</li>
<li>If these were president Kimball’s own personal views why haven’t the church come out with a statement expounding on this?</li>
<li>As a church, are we resolute that this was a clarification of the word white &#8212; never meant to refer to a person with dark skin pigmentation who would turn white upon a conversion to the gospel; but referring to a cleaner state of heart? This hypothesis in my mind fails to make clear other passages in the Book of Mormon that still make a connection with &#8220;iniquity&#8221; and skin color. See, for example, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=2+ne+30:6&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=2+ne+5:21%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=">2 Nephi 5:21</a> as well as past prophet statements.</li>
<li>Why did it take God 140 years to clarify this misunderstanding?</li>
<li>If we quote what President Kimball said in 1967 conference would we be considered anachronistic today?</li>
<li>Is FARMS saying Apostle Kimball’s views are out of date , old fashioned, obsolete?</li>
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		<title>Interfaith Marriages by guest Madam Curie</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A recent post by Cr@ig on Main Street Plaza caused me to reflect on the strength of interfaith marriages. I had hoped to generate a follow-up post on this topic at MSP. However, since the comments on the Cr@ig&#8217;s post devolved into a blame game of whether the believer or non-believer was more responsible for marital dissolution, I decided it was probably best to avoid a second opportunity for mud-slinging. Differences in religious belief can be the death knell to a marriage. For that reason, many organized religions strongly advocate against being &#8220;yoked with unbelievers&#8221;. This is not only a Mormon phenomenon; you see this in any faith tradition that teaches that they alone have exclusive access to God. Even before marriage, it is rare for the unmarried, devout Mormon to even consider dating (let alone marrying) a non-Mormon; most LDS women raised in the Church are taught from an early age to make a temple marriage to a returned missionary their primary goal. Likewise, in the Catholic Church, marriage to any non-Catholic (including Protestants!) is not permitted within a Catholic church building, and is not considered to be a Sacrament. In particularly conservative Catholic cultures, it really is considered [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1366">recent post by Cr@ig on Main Street Plaza</a> caused me to reflect on the strength of interfaith marriages. I had hoped to generate a follow-up post on <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/widget_aNmyKwVTviYyKT3urbhn6J.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-9568" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/widget_aNmyKwVTviYyKT3urbhn6J.jpg" alt="" width="232" height="232" /></a>this topic at MSP. However, since the comments on the Cr@ig&#8217;s post devolved into a blame game of whether the believer or non-believer was more responsible for marital dissolution, I decided it was probably best to avoid a second opportunity for mud-slinging.</p>
<p>Differences in religious belief can be the death knell to a marriage. For that reason, many organized religions strongly advocate against being &#8220;yoked with unbelievers&#8221;. This is not only a Mormon phenomenon; you see this in any faith tradition that teaches that they alone have exclusive access to God. Even before marriage, it is rare for the unmarried, devout Mormon to even consider dating (let alone marrying) a non-Mormon; most LDS women raised in the Church are taught from an early age to make a temple marriage to a returned missionary their primary goal.<span id="more-9567"></span></p>
<p>Likewise, in the Catholic Church, marriage to any non-Catholic (including Protestants!) is not permitted within a Catholic church building, and is not considered to be a Sacrament. In particularly conservative Catholic cultures, it really is considered a heresy to marry someone not of the (same rite of the) Catholic Church. Consider, for example, the movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding: Toula refuses to marry Protestant Ian until he joins the Greek Orthodox Church (thus leading to a humorous scene of Ian being baptized).</p>
<p>Similar to Mormon &#8216;Marriage Prep&#8217; and &#8216;Temple Prep&#8217; Sunday School courses, dating Catholic couples are required to pursue a several-month course of marriage preparations classes, known as Pre-Cana. Similar to Mormons, Catholics who have pre-marital sexual relations (usually known from the resulting offspring) cannot be married on Catholic church grounds. However, they can have their marriage &#8220;convalidated&#8221; at a later date, similar to to a family being &#8216;sealed&#8217; a year after a civil marriage.</p>
<p>I compare these things not so much to indicate how Catholics do things so much as to show just how non-unique Mormons are in many ways with regards to their approach to interfaith marriage.</p>
<p>Disbelief that comes after marriage, however, is harder to deal with. Despite the admonition of Paul in the 1 Corinthians that:</p>
<blockquote><p>[I]f any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband. Otherwise, your children would be unclean, but as it is they are holy. (1 Cor. 7:12-14)</p></blockquote>
<p>it is really not all that uncommon to see marriages Mormon temple marriages dissolve once one member of the union loses faith. The same can also be true in Catholic culture, where one of the vows made at the altar is to raise your children Catholic.</p>
<p>A few examples, then, to illustrate some of what I am talking about:</p>
<p>A Mormon female friend of mine (who also happens to be a reader of this blog) attended a non-LDS university for college. Her Patriarchal Blessing was explicit that she was to marry an RM in the temple. When a Baptist schoolmate asked her on a date, she turned him down several times before giving him an ultimatum: She would only go on a date with him if he would read the Book of Mormon and consent to taking the missionary discussions. Confident that the Mormon church was misguided, and that he could show her the error of her ways, he consented. He joined the LDS Church and they two were married in the temple a year later. Obviously, she and the Church would consider this example to be a huge success story; his Baptist family, in contrast, at that time considered their daughter-in-law to be the devil incarnate. (I suspect that they mellowed with time).</p>
<p>Another friend at the same university for four years dated a non-Mormon off and on, and was fairly involved with him physically (although never so far that she needed to go to the Bishop). She loved him and he proposed to her, but since he was not interested in the Church, she said no. Several years later, she met and married a convert of 1 year, in the temple. Another Church success story.</p>
<p>A Jewish friend attended a Jew-friendly university, but did not find a spouse. She later moved to an area in the Midwest that was predominantly Protestant, and met and fell in love with a Protestant. They moved in together, but when her family would call or visit, she threw him out of the house for the weekend. When her parents found out that she was dating this man, they first gave her a series of lectures on being &#8216;married under the canopy&#8217; and of all that her grandmother had suffered at Auschwitz. They then cut off all verbal communication with her. When the grandmother found out about the boyfriend, she literally suffered a stroke. She broke up with the boyfriend, and later married an Orthodox Jew and was welcomed back into her family.</p>
<p>A Muslim co-worker of my husband&#8217;s met and married a Hindi woman. The parents of the Muslim refuse to acknowledge their daughter-in-law, and the parents of the Hindu refuse to call the Muslim by his real name, instead calling him by the Hindi equivalent.</p>
<p>When I married my husband, we were both Mormon, however I had converted to the Church as a young adult. My mother&#8217;s side of the family (who are culturally Catholic) refused to speak with my husband at family functions and boycotted our wedding. Indeed, my own marriage might now be considered as an interfaith marriage, with each of us losing our faith in the LDS Church and taking divergent faith paths. I&#8217;ve left the LDS Church and now consider myself a post-Mormon liberal Catholic, returning to the faith of my mothers (since Catholicism in America is largely passed down matriarchally). My husband is an agnostic atheist who remains actively Mormon: regularly attending his meetings and &#8216;magnifying&#8217; his calling, held in the church by the faith of his fathers. My family is urging me to do what my responsibility as a Catholic mother would be: to baptize my son Catholic and raise him in the Catholic Church.</p>
<p>And so it goes, and so it goes. Its remarkable how adherents of all faiths claim that God will only recognize marriage in their church.</p>
<p>Through it all, my husband and I have retained enormous respect for each other and our religious decisions, as well as the effect that those decisions have on our son. I think respect for each other is really the only way such marriages can survive. My husband&#8217;s loss of belief was founded in his respect for me: Trusting that my reasoning was sound, he wanted to determine for himself what validity there was in my conclusions. Obviously, we came to different end-points, but part of respect is learning to accept (and even welcome) differences of opinion and conclusion.</p>
<p>My questions for the readership are these:</p>
<ul>
<li>What are your stories?</li>
<li>How can a couple who finds themselves in a Mormon interfaith marriage make the relationship work?</li>
<li> Is it possible to maintain a believing Mormon/non-believer relationship?</li>
<li>If so, what components are required?</li>
</ul>
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		<title>Think for yourself or not – that is the question .Cognitive Dissonance 1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 06:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many of you in the bloggernacle thrive on having two opposing ideas at once in your head. I have always found that difficult. I have seen many who can’t cope with it at all and have to come to a conclusion one way or the other or their belief system will cave in and their minds will explode. I have all the best intentions in the world to start a series on cognitive dissonance this year. To start off I have found some quotes from the brethren which seems to be in opposition to each other. I am sure some of you will figure out away in which they are not! Don’t Think for Yourself!! &#8220;Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the prophets, seers, revelators&#8217; of the church, is cultivating the spirit of apostasy. One cannot speak evil of the lord&#8217;s annointed&#8230; and retain the holy spirit in his heart. This sort of game is Satan&#8217;s favorite pastime, and he has practiced it to believing souls since Adam. He {Satan} wins a great victory when he can get members of the church to speak against their leaders and to [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>Many of you in the bloggernacle thrive on having two opposing ideas at once in your head. I have always found that difficult.  I have seen many who can’t cope with it at all and have to come to a conclusion one way or the other or their belief system will cave in and their minds will explode.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>I have all the best intentions in the world to start a series on cognitive dissonance this year.  To start off I have found some quotes from the brethren which seems to be in opposition to each other. I am sure some of you will figure out away in which they are not!</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"><strong>Don’t Think for Yourself!!</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the prophets, seers, revelators&#8217; of the church, is cultivating the spirit of apostasy. One cannot speak evil of the lord&#8217;s annointed&#8230; and retain the holy spirit in his heart. This sort of game is Satan&#8217;s favorite pastime, and he has practiced it to believing souls since Adam. He {Satan} wins a great victory when he can get members of the church to speak against their leaders and to do their own thinking.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan&#8211;it is God&#8217;s Plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give directions, it should mark the end of controversy, God works in no other way. To think otherwise, without immediate repentance, may cost one his faith, may destroy his testimony, and leave him a stranger to the kingdom of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ward Teachers Message, Deseret News, Church Section p. 5, May 26, 1945<br />
Also included in the <em>Improvement Era</em>, June 1945 (which was the official church magazine before the <em>Ensign</em>)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;Always keep your eye on the President of the church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, even if it is wrong, and you do it, the lord will bless you for it but you don&#8217;t need to worry. The lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">LDS President Marion G. Romney (of the first presidency), quoting LDS President (and prophet) Heber J. Grant &#8220;Conference Report&#8221; Oct. 1960 p. 78</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;The Lord Almighty leads this Church, and he will never suffer you to be led astray if you are found doing your duty. You may go home and sleep as sweetly as a babe in its mother&#8217;s arms, as to any danger of your leaders leading you astray, for if they should try to do so the Lord would quickly sweep them from the earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, p. 289, 1862.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;When the Prophet speaks the debate is over&#8221;.</p>
<p>N. Eldon Tanner, August <em>Ensign</em> 1979, pages 2-3</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;I sat in this tabernacle some years ago as President Joseph Fielding Smith stood at this pulpit. It was the general priesthood meeting of April 1972, the last general conference before President Smith passed away. He said: &#8216;There is one thing which we should have exceedingly clear in our minds. Neither the President of the Church, nor the First Presidency, or the united voice of the First Presidency and the Twelve will ever lead the Saints astray or send forth counsel to the world that is contrary to the mind and will of the lord&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>L. Aldin Porter of the Presidency of the First Quorum of Seventies (<em>Ensign</em>, Nov. 1994, p. 63)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Follow your leaders who have been duly ordained and have been publicly sustained, and you will not be led astray.&#8221;</p>
<p>Boyd K. Packer (General Conference, Oct. 1992; <em>Ensign</em>, Nov. 1992)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>&#8220;The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray.&#8221;</p>
<p>President Wilford Woodruff (considered scripture as it is canonized at the end of the D&amp;C)</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"><strong>Think for Yourself!!</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify">President Joseph F. Smith said, &#8220;We talk of obedience, but do we require any man or woman to ignorantly obey the counsels that are given? Do the First Presidency require it? No, never.&#8221; (<em>Journal of Discources</em> (JD) 16:248)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">Apostle Charles W. Penrose, who would later serve as counselor to President Smith, declared: &#8220;President Wilford Woodruff is a man of wisdom and experience, and we respect him, but we do not believe his personal views or utterances are revelations from God; and when &#8216;Thus saith the Lord&#8217;, comes from him, the saints investigate it: they do not shut their eyes and take it down like a pill.&#8221; (<em>Millennial Star</em> 54:191)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;And none are required to tamely and blindly submit to a man because he has a portion of the priesthood. We have heard men who hold the priesthood remark, that they would do anything they were told to do by those who presided over them, if they knew it was wrong; but such obedience as this is worse than folly to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly degrade himself should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he turns from his folly. A man of God&#8230; would despise the idea. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty authority have taught that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the saints were told to do by their presidents, they should do it without asking any questions. When Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience as to teach them to the people, it is generally because they have it in their minds to do wrong themselves.&#8221; (<em>Millennial Star</em>, vol.14 #38, pp. 593-95)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Brigham Young said:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;What a pity it would be, if we were led by one man to utter destruction! Are you afraid of this? I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken the influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. This has been my exhortation continually.&#8221; (JD 9:150)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;How easy it would be for your leaders to lead you to destruction, unless you actually know the mind and will of the spirit yourselves.&#8221; (JD 4:368)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;I do not wish any Latter-day Saint in this world, nor in heaven, to be satisfied with anything I do, unless the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ, the spirit of revelation, makes them satisfied&#8230;Suppose that the people were heedless, that they manifested no concern with regard to the things of the kingdom of God, but threw the whole burden upon the leaders of the people, saying, &#8216;If the brethren who take charge of matters are satisfied, we are,&#8217; this is not pleasing in the sight of the Lord.&#8221; (JD 3:45)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;&#8230;Now those men, or those women, who know no more about the power of God, and the influences of the Holy Spirit, than to be led entirely by another person, suspending their own understanding, and pinning their faith upon another&#8217;s sleeve, will never be capable of entering into the celestial glory, to be crowned as they anticipate; they will never be capable of becoming Gods. They cannot rule themselves, to say nothing of ruling others, but they must be dictated to in every trifle, like a child. They cannot control themselves in the least, but James, Peter, or somebody else must control them. They never can become Gods, nor be crowned as rulers with glory, immortality, and eternal lives. They never can hold sceptres of glory, majesty, and power in the celestial kingdom. Who will? Those who are valiant and inspired with the true independence of heaven, who will go forth boldly in the service of their God, leaving others to do as they please, determined to do right, though all mankind besides should take the opposite course. Will this apply to any of you? Your own hearts can answer.&#8221; (JD 1:312)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;President Joseph Smith read the 14th chapter of Ezekiel [see, for example, verses 9-10: 'If the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing...the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him.']&#8230;said the Lord had declared by the Prophet [Ezekiel], that the people should each one stand for himself, and depend on no man or men in that state of corruption of the Jewish church &#8212; that righteous persons could only deliver their own souls &#8212; applied it to the present state [1842] of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints &#8212; said if the people departed from the Lord, they must fall &#8212; that they were depending on the Prophet, hence were darkened in their minds, in consequence of neglecting the duties devolving upon themselves&#8230;&#8221; (<em>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith</em> pp. 237-38)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">George Q. Cannon, Counselor to three Church Presidents, expressed it thus: &#8220;Do not, brethren, put your trust in man though he be a bishop, an apostle, or a president. If you do, they will fail you at some time or place; they will do wrong or seem to, and your support be gone;&#8221; (<em>Millennial Star</em> 53:658-59, quoted in <em>Gospel Truth</em>, 1:319)</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>Have you had experiences where you think you have genuinely had bad advice from following your leaders?</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>Later prophets and apostles trump older ones. How do you think the older ones feel about that?<br />
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<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>Have you had times where you had so much on your plate you were glad to let someone think for you and it worked out for the best?<br />
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<p><strong>Should we think for ourselves in the church or should we let the Brethren think for us that is the question?<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes. Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church. They did hundreds [...]]]></description>
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<p>A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows</p>
<p>In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. <a href="http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com/">http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com </a>The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes.</p>
<p>Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church.<span id="more-8674"></span></p>
<p>They did hundreds of hours of interviews over two years and edited it down to a 55 minute film. The film is very moving&#8211;a tribute to those who shared their stories as well as DeMillia and Lavery&#8217;s videography and editing skills.</p>
<p>About two dozen people appear in interviews in the film. Each story is unique, but a common thread runs throughout them all. All faced a similar rejection by family, friends and community.  Some of those interviewed have left the church. Others no longer believe, but remain active because of family or community pressure. The latter are filmed in shadows, to obscure their identity. The film refers to these people as “Shadow Mormons.” They define &#8220;Shadow Mormons&#8221; as those who privately do not accept the exacting doctrine of the Church, but publicly profess to be true believers. They are in shadow to protect their relationships with family, friends and employers.</p>
<p>Someone commented to me after the film, “That&#8217;s you. You&#8217;re a Shadow Mormon.”</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Shadow Mormon. Maybe that&#8217;s why this film hit me so hard. I haven&#8217;t believed in over 20 years – most of my adult life. Yet, during that time I&#8217;ve paid my tithing, gone to the temple, served in bishoprics and high councils and done all the things that were expected of me. Why? Because I am tied to the church by family and community.</p>
<p>The story of &#8220;Grace&#8221; (not her real name) resonated with me because it was so similar to mine. Her pain, and anger, were born of all the energy she has given to a religion that she doesn&#8217;t believe in. Finding out that the Church was not true was like a death experience for her. Like me, she tried following the Church&#8217;s teachings to fast, pray, read the scriptures and yet never felt she received the &#8220;burning in her bosom&#8221; that is promised in the scriptures.</p>
<p>What of the families and communities of these people? What are their stories, their experiences with loved ones who go through a process of losing belief and leaving the church. Only one person who was a family or friend agreed to be interviewed for the film. The believing husband that was interviewed told how he still loved his wife, even though she has left the church. What about the others? Are they embarrassed to say that the Church was more important than their relationship with the person who left?</p>
<p>The saddest stories, to me, were of divorce caused by one spouse believing and the other not believing. Michelle (another woman interviewed in the film) said her heart was broken that her husband would choose the Church over her. He told their marriage therapist that if she had not been Mormon he never would have married her. &#8220;There was more to me than being a Mormon,&#8221; she said.  &#8220;And I thought that there was more to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>The dictionary defines empathy as “the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.” We could all use a little more empathy for those around us. I have had several people tell me, “I can&#8217;t imagine how a person could leave the church.” Either they need a better imagination or they need more empathy.  Maybe they just need to see this film.</p>
<p>One of the questions at the screening&#8211;one that Lavery could not answer&#8211;was, “How do we get the right people to see this film?” Sadly, many members of the church would not even consider it. (It screened in Salt Lake City in October and got almost no media coverage.) The film does not try to de-convert anyone or disparage the doctrine of the church. It doesn&#8217;t assert that someone is right because he or she believes, or that someone else is right because he or she leaves the church. This film is about accepting people regardless of what they believe, and about how we treat those who believe differently than we do. I wish every member of the church could see this film.</p>
<p>Film Trailer: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
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		<title>Romantic Paternalism</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mormon Matters welcomes our newest guest poster.  Kate Kelly graduated from Brigham Young University with a BA in Political Science. She served a mission for the church in Barcelona, Spain. She is currently in law school at American University’s Washington College of Law, the only law school in the nation world founded by women. She has had a career of various and sundry amazing jobs. She has been a mortgage counselor, an interpreter, an English teacher and spent last summer in Manhattan working at the Center for Constitutional Rights, as an Ella Baker legal fellow. She and her nurturing, gentle angel of a husband blog at www.kateandneil.com. “Our Nation has had a long and unfortunate history of sex discrimination. Traditionally, such discrimination was rationalized by an attitude of ‘romantic paternalism’ which, in practical effect, put women not on a pedestal, but in a cage.” Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677 (1973). BYU is closing its Women’s Research Institute, and I, along with many others http://supportwri.blogspot.com/, am distressed by this decision. My distress comes, not only because of the consequences of this shortsighted move, but because it is emblematic of the overall problem in the church of romantic paternalism. Forgive me [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1OZixgeCpgE/SwH0vvWDA-I/AAAAAAAAAdc/ICWp5i9rpFc/s1600/kate+profile+pic.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5404870128821273570" style="margin: 0pt 10px 0px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 69px; height: 90px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1OZixgeCpgE/SwH0vvWDA-I/AAAAAAAAAdc/ICWp5i9rpFc/s200/kate+profile+pic.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><em>Mormon Matters welcomes our newest guest poster.  Kate Kelly graduated from Brigham Young University with a BA in Political Science. She served a mission for the church in Barcelona, Spain. She is currently in law school at American University’s <a href="http://www.wcl.american.edu/history/founders.cfm" target="_blank">Washington College of Law</a>, the only law school in the <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">nation</span> world founded by women. She has had a career of various and sundry amazing jobs. She has been a mortgage counselor, an interpreter, an English teacher and spent last summer in Manhattan working at the Center for Constitutional Rights, as an Ella Baker legal fellow. She and her nurturing, gentle angel of a husband blog at <a href="http://www.kateandneil.com/" target="_blank">www.kateandneil.com</a>.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">“Our Nation has had a long and unfortunate history of sex discrimination. Traditionally, such discrimination was rationalized by an attitude of ‘romantic paternalism’ which, in practical effect, put women not on a pedestal, but in a cage.” <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Frontiero v. Richardson</span>, 411 U.S. 677 (1973).</p>
<p>BYU is closing its Women’s Research Institute, and I, along with many others <a href="http://supportwri.blogspot.com/">http://supportwri.blogspot.com/</a>, am distressed by this decision. My distress comes, not only because of the consequences of this shortsighted move, but because it is emblematic of the overall problem in the church of romantic paternalism.<span id="more-8322"></span></p>
<p>Forgive me a personal anecdote. There are many things that are sacred about LDS temples and not discussed outside their walls, however, the fact that they are staffed almost exclusively by surprisingly spritely octogenarians is not one of those details. As a newly married couple my husband and I went to the Salt Lake temple to do <a href="http://mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/glossary/glossary-definition/sealing">sealings</a>.  When I got married I kept my surname and, for some reason it is only in Mormon contexts that this seems to particularly baffle people. This confusion almost always surfaces in American temples (since in many parts of the world, like all of Central and South America, it is social custom for the wife to keep her name). On this particular occasion one of the aforementioned elderly crew was having a hard time understanding why, though we were legally and lawfully wed, we had different surnames. He demanded that I give my reasons for such a decision, and not satisfied with the fact that it was my prerogative, he insisted that I was not respecting my husband. His final snide remark to me was, “well it will be nice when the light finally comes on for you.”</p>
<p>This angry brother was not alone in his contempt for independent women. I have seen many comments from people in the past few days that it is a shame that BYU is closing its Women’s Research Institute. I think that it is not only a shame, but also a sham. The official claims from the school are that the dissolution of the Institute will actually increase support of, funding for, and emphasis on women’s studies. This is emblematic of the doublespeak the BYU administration has perfected in response to concern over many issues. Less is more. Closing is just a way of beginning anew. We are shutting this program down because we find it so, so very important.</p>
<p>It is this same doublespeak that is used to simultaneously compliment and limit women in the church. As a Mormon woman I find it very uncomfortable to hear men talk about their wives in public settings from sacrament meeting to general conference. Traditional “feminine virtues” abound. Wives are described as “sweet,” “angelic,” “virtuous,” “charitable,” “compassionate,” “kind,” and, most importantly, “beautiful.” One Sunday we were asked to talk and I dared my husband to describe me as his “courageous,” “strong,” “intelligent” wife. I don’t want to be “cherished,” I want to be taken seriously.</p>
<p>There is a cohesive and powerful message to women running throughout the church. You have a (wonderful, glorious) place, stay put! This message runs throughout the history (ahem, polygamy &amp; the ERA) and modern role models provided for women. You want to know why “<a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705343316/Utah-women-lag-behind-nation-in-higher-education.html?pg=1">Utah Women Lag Behind the Nation in Higher Education</a>”  just watch General Conference any given session. All of the women who speak fit a very neat stereotype in their appearance, the subject matter of their talks and their delivery (which was described by my own father this way: “Hm, I don’t really know what it is about them, but NO MATTER what they are speaking about, their tone of voice seems to convey that they are talking about knitting.”).</p>
<p>This stereotype is also, of course, very pervasive in LDS culture. Last fall, as a first year law student studying in San Diego, I was invited to an event for all of the LDS law students in the area. There were approximately 30 students and their respective families in attendance. I was the only female law student. We took turns introducing ourselves in a circle after the meal while “the wives” played with children in an adjoining room. All of the men introduced themselves and said, “(insert female name) is over there with ‘the wives’.” When it came to us, everyone turned to my husband to introduce me. The experience was both surreal, and disconcerting. We both felt that the temporal context of that event might better have fit the 1970s, when my mother was attending law school, or 1870s for that matter.</p>
<p>This institutionalized approach of romantic paternalism in LDS culture needs to end. BYU, and the church in general need to take a leap into the 20<sup>th</sup> Century (not to mention the 21<sup>st</sup>). Women and men are equal in the sight of God. We are not more virtuous. We are not lovelier. We do not want to be held to a different standard, or be seen through a colored lens. We want our concerns, choices and academic pursuits to be taken seriously.</p>
<p>Back at the Salt Lake Temple in the sealing room that evening, in a moment of perhaps poor judgment, I replied to the obviously irritated temple worker, “that’s funny brother, I was about to say the very same thing.”</p>
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		<title>To Those Struggling In Their Faith</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many within Mormonism who struggle daily with their faith. They have been exposed to historical information they were not aware of, they were torn in political battle, they dislike the culture, or in some other way awoke to a &#8220;reality&#8221; they had not known before. It can be a lonely place in a tight knit community with such strong beliefs. And when a person is in that frame of mind, it often feels like the solution is to crawl in a hole and disappear. To further throw salt in the wound, the church doesn&#8217;t have any sort of official support group, or weeknight class, or specially trained individuals to handle such a dilemma. They are alone, and desperate, as they watch the foundation of their life get blown apart like a bomb in the basement of a skyscraper! They are often told to have more faith, to wait, read the scriptures, fast, pray, etc. But these answers now feel empty and unpromising. My heart goes out to these people. I have been there, and sometimes revisit (though I try to make the visit short). Much has been said in this vein by people with more wisdom and experience [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many within Mormonism who struggle daily with their faith.  They have been exposed to historical information they were not aware of, they were torn in political battle, they dislike the culture, or in some other way awoke to a &#8220;reality&#8221; they had not known before.  It can be a lonely place in a tight knit community with such strong beliefs.  And when a person is in that frame of mind, it often feels like the solution is to crawl in a hole and disappear.  To further throw salt in the wound, the church doesn&#8217;t have any sort of official support group, or weeknight class, or specially trained individuals to handle such a dilemma.  They are alone, and desperate, as they watch the foundation of their life get blown apart like a bomb in the basement of a skyscraper!  They are often told to have more faith, to wait, read the scriptures, fast, pray, etc.  But these answers now feel empty and unpromising.  My heart goes out to these people.  I have been there, and sometimes revisit (though I try to make the visit short).<span id="more-8275"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/2008/08/bushmans-introduction-to-joseph-smith.html">Much</a> <a href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2005_Faith_Cognitive_Dissonance_and_the_Psychology_of_Religious_Experience.html">has</a> <a href="http://staylds.com/docs/WhatTheChurchMeans.pdf">been</a> <a href="http://staylds.com/docs/WhyTheChurchIsAsTrue.pdf">said</a> <a href="http://forthosewhowonder.com/?page_id=7">in</a> <a href="http://www.staylds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=32">this</a> <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/11/07/the-church-as-a-tool/">vein</a> <a href="http://www.staylds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=624">by</a> <a href="http://mormonstories.org/whyistay/SL03171.mp3">people</a> <a href="http://mormonstories.org/whyistay/SL04231.mp3">with</a> <a href="http://mormonstories.org/whyistay/SL05231.mp3">more</a> <a href="http://mormonstories.org/whyistay/SL06231.mp3">wisdom</a> <a href="http://mormonstories.org/podcast/MormonStories-015-MormonStagesOfFaithPt1.mp3">and</a> <a href="http://mormonstories.org/podcast/MormonStories-016-MormonStagesOfFaithPt2.mp3">experience</a> <a href="http://mormonstories.org/podcast/MormonStories-017-MormonStagesOfFaithPt3.mp3">than</a> me.  So my point here is not to examine the psychology, convince you to stay, leave, become a cafeteria Mormon or anything of that nature.  I just want to speak with you.  I want to talk directly to you and tell you at least one possible route you might take.  You can take my words with a grain of salt, but do yourself a favor and at least ponder them for a moment!</p>
<p>To those struggling in their faith:<br />
Turn inward, not outward. Stop making your tradition the object of your worries, and worry about you. Decide that you will take responsibility for your own spirituality. Recognize that the only thing in life you get to control is you &#8211; and rightfully so. Use that power to dictate your future spirituality and stop being controlled by other influences whether historical, cultural, or familial. Use the power found in personal responsibility to elevate yourself by loving others. Recognize that people make choices and get to control themselves just like you get to control you. These two attitudes allow you to build a healthy mechanism for interacting with people. You have compassion for others, and even organizations, and give them the benefit of the doubt because you know they are imperfect.  But you also reserve your right to act in response to their actions in the way you see fit. You try to create the perfect balance of love and compassion with resolute understanding of your right to control yourself.</p>
<p>You then arrive at a place where you get to decide what you believe and what you won&#8217;t believe. But you have also learned (since you&#8217;ve been there before) that you better not believe everything you think! You know you need to <strong>constantly </strong>learn from other people, cultures, ideas, science, religion, etc. If you don&#8217;t, you run the risk of reverting to the same mindset you previously had (although with a different set of ideas). You see that you&#8217;re not that interested in joining with people who simply verify what you already believe because there is no growth for you there (and that&#8217;s exactly what your old tradition gave you in your former self). You have now fully realized that the object of your disaffection was not your old tradition, but your old mindset and attitude.  You have elected to take control and modify your expectations of your old tradition, people, and life in general.</p>
<p>You are now prepared to look to your old tradition, and when you do you find that it isn&#8217;t so bad when viewed from your new perspective &#8211; and besides you feel at home there in some sense. You are largely aloof of all the truth claims (they may or may not be true, it doesn&#8217;t really matter that much anymore), culture, and doctrinal problems but you enjoy associating with good people and you see everyone as &#8220;good people.&#8221; You occasionally feel like an &#8220;alien&#8221; because while you feel comfortable in your old tradition, you realize that you are on your own personal journey, grabbing bits of truth here and bits of truth there. You no longer feel like part of the &#8220;collective.&#8221;</p>
<p>You understand your purpose in the organization from the view of your new perspective.  You&#8217;re not interested in making institutional changes as you view the church as your spiritual tool in the toolbox of life.  You are invested enough that you want the organization to succeed, but divested enough that your world won&#8217;t end if it doesn&#8217;t.  You may not accept some callings offered to you, but welcome opportunities to make a difference on a local, more personal level in a way you are comfortable.  Once again, you are in control of your spirituality.</p>
<p>You look at the people in your old tradition and see them on their own journey, believing what they want, all while recognizing you can learn from them even if you don&#8217;t necessarily believe what they believe. You see most truth as relative for each person, yet admit that existence and nature are the ultimate objective truth and reality. You have arrived at a healthy balanced view of the world. But in that very moment of &#8220;arrival,&#8221; the next life event makes its way onto center stage in your mind and you&#8217;re right back to work through the new challenges trying each time anew to maintain the proper balance you developed before. But you know that with each cycle it gets better and better!</p>
<p>You are now in a strange paradox, feeling comfortably uncomfortable.  Faithful Mormons will likely see you as apostate if they could see things from your perspective.  And by the same token, apostates will see you as an apologist, caught up in ignoring reality.  But you know you have embraced reality as your guiding star to help you navigate the seas of life!  You have embraced the ideology that each ideology has some truth, and some falsehoods, and you accept the obvious irony in this very statement!</p>
<p>Good luck on your lonely journey, there are many who have come before you and will come after you to cross the same bridges.</p>
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		<title>Vagueness as a Gospel Principle</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.    Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness;&#8221; (D&#38;C 58:26 &#8211; 27) As I read the scriptures, listen to conference talks, and other materials about the Church, I get the feeling sometimes that things can be a little vague.  Human nature seems to dictate that an absolute answer is always preferred over ambiguity and vagueness. But in the religious realm, it is not to be.  Vagueness is defined as not clear in meaning or application or, indistinctly felt, perceived, understood, or recalled; hazy. The fact that there are so many religions and religious denominations seems to confirm this idea. For instance, if there is one God, our Heavenly Father, why does He seem to manifest Himself so differently to different people, to different cultures, and at different times? For example, In the LDS Church, we believe that Baptism is an essential ordnance to enter the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.    Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, <img class="alignright size-full wp-image-8053" style="border: 3px solid black" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/SJ_Shoulder_Shrug_small.jpg" alt="SJ_Shoulder_Shrug_small" width="134" height="166" />and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness;&#8221; (D&amp;C 58:26 &#8211; 27)<span id="more-8052"></span></p>
<p>As I read the scriptures, listen to conference talks, and other materials about the Church, I get the feeling sometimes that things can be a little vague.  Human nature seems to dictate that an absolute answer is always preferred over ambiguity and vagueness.</p>
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<p>But in the religious realm, it is not to be.  Vagueness is defined as not clear in meaning or application or, indistinctly felt, perceived, understood, or recalled; hazy.</p>
<p>The fact that there are so many religions and religious denominations seems to confirm this idea. For instance, if there is one God, our Heavenly Father, why does He seem to manifest Himself so differently to different people, to different cultures, and at different times?</p>
<p>For example, In the LDS Church, we believe that Baptism is an essential ordnance to enter the kingdom of God and to progress toward eternal life and salvation.  And there are Christian denominations that echo that same idea.  However, there are just as many, maybe more, who, reading the same scriptures, deny the necessity of Baptism for salvation.  Vagueness occurs because the scriptures are not 100% clear on that point.  Within the LDS Church, the Prophet Joseph Smith did make it clear, in the Fourth Article of Faith, that Baptism is essential.</p>
<p>In another, more contemporary example, many conservative Christians and Jews, for that matter, look at scriptures in Leviticus to proclaim that Homosexual activity is wrong. (Leviticus 18:22, see also Romans 1:27, 29-31, 32) However, religious organizations and individuals more sympathetic toward the Gay Movement have interpreted those scriptures very differently and say that they do not even address the issue of homosexuality.  (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh5.htm) The scriptures do not come right out and address the issue so clearly it cannot be open to interpretation. Vagueness.</p>
<p>In Doctrine and Covenants Section 89, the Word of Wisdom verse 9, &#8220;hot drinks are not for the body or belly.&#8221; But what is a hot drink?  Anyone&#8217;s first read of that verse would lead them to conclude it was ANY drink that was HOT  That does not seem terribly vague.</p>
<p>But wait, there&#8217;s more!</p>
<p>In 1842 Hyrum Smith, Assistant President of the Church and also the Presiding Patriarch, provided an interpretation of the Word of Wisdom&#8217;s proscription of &#8220;hot drinks&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;And again &#8220;hot drinks are not for the body, or belly;&#8221; there are many who wonder what this can mean; whether it refers to tea, or coffee, or not. I say it does refer to tea, and coffee.  (<em>Times and Seasons</em>, 1842-06-01, vol. 3, p. 800.</p>
<p>But it does not refer to hot chocolate, hot herbal tea, hot barley drinks, etc. But, many have also speculated as to why coffee and tea?  Could it be the caffeine? If so, that means cola drinks, or anything else that might have caffeine in it.  You mean like chocolate? Wait a minute! I thought hot chocolate was ok? What about Mountain Dew, its not a cola drink?  Here is a case where something seems pretty straightforward but has been made somewhat vague.</p>
<p>Here are a few other topics that have been vague at one time or another:</p>
<ul>
<li>Tithing: Net or Gross?</li>
<li>New and Everlasting  Covenant of Marriage: Plurality of Wives or just Eternal marriage ( Sealing)</li>
<li>Missouri Extermination Order: Kill them or just run them out of town?</li>
<li>United Order: Voluntary or the Law of Consecration?</li>
<li>Blacks and the Priesthood:  Doctrine, policy or  just plain prejudice?</li>
<li>Many, many more</li>
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<p><strong>So why would Gospel Principles be Vague?</strong></p>
<p>First, maybe they are not all that vague.  Maybe, you need to find the right source of information. If the scriptures seem vague, what have the Living Prophets said?  If that is vague, what does the Lord tell you when you pray about it or what does the Spirit testify to you about it?  Still nothing?  What are you willing t o take on faith alone?</p>
<p>Second, We do need to develop faith. &#8220;NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.&#8221;  (Hebrews 11:1). Some things have no immediate answer and must be taken on faith alone until a later time.</p>
<p>Thirdly, we are here on earth as a test.  Ultimately, we decide for ourselves the path we walk. Like the verse at the beginning of this post, if we did not have our agency to decide for ourselves and had to be told each and every little detail, we would not progress to reach the goal of living with Our Father in Heaven and His Son throughout eternity.</p>
<p>Sure, things can be a bit vague and uncertain at times.  But it is part of the great Plan of happiness for us to endure to the end.</p>
<p>So, the question at hand is how do you deal with the vagueness and ambiguity? Perhaps you think there is none. Feel free to list your vague Gospel Principles.</p>
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		<title>It Is Possible to Effect Some Changes in Your Stake</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve enjoyed Andrew Ainsworth&#8217;s recent posts on (1) being a loving critic of the church, (2) in a way that doesn&#8217;t get you excommunicated.  I thought they were very insightful.  I also enjoyed Stephen Marsh&#8217;s post asking if we want to be an improver.  In Andrew&#8217;s 2nd post, he mentions the option of privately expressing concerns to a letter via letter or email.  I think it is difficult for many of us to express differences of opinion in a way that will not cause defensiveness in a church leader, so many of us never consider the option of writing a private letter to express a concern. I must say that I am one of these people who believe that private communications don&#8217;t work very well.  However, I have tried hard to improve my communications (though I&#8217;m not always successful.)  A few months ago, I decided to give Andrew&#8217;s option #3 a test to see if it would do any good.  I was quite surprised at the positive result. I wrote my stake president (SP) a letter expressing concern for how large our ward is.  I live in a growing community, and the last time the ward split, we reached about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed Andrew Ainsworth&#8217;s recent posts on (1) <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/01/are-there-any-loving-critics-left-in-the-church/">being a loving critic of the church</a>, (2) <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/15/how-to-provide-critical-feedback-to-church-leaders-church-without-getting-excommunicated/">in a way that doesn&#8217;t get you excommunicated</a>.  I thought they were very insightful.  I also enjoyed Stephen Marsh&#8217;s post asking <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/09/so-you-want-to-be-an-improver/">if we want to be an improver</a>.  In Andrew&#8217;s 2nd post, he mentions the option of privately expressing concerns to a letter via letter or email.  I think it is difficult for many of us to express differences of opinion in a way that will not cause defensiveness in a church leader, so many of us never consider the option of writing a private letter to express a concern.</p>
<p>I must say that I am one of these people who believe that private communications don&#8217;t work very well.  However, I have tried hard to improve my communications (though I&#8217;m not always successful.)  A few months ago, I decided to give Andrew&#8217;s option #3 a test to see if it would do any good.  I was quite surprised at the positive result.</p>
<p><span id="more-8007"></span>I wrote my stake president (SP) a letter expressing concern for how large our ward is.  I live in a growing community, and the last time the ward split, we reached about 950 people.  I thought it was outrageous&#8211;parking was terrible, and even finding a seat in the gym was hard if you were late.  So, our ward was over 700 again, and I decided to write the SP a letter expressing concern at the size of the ward, the parking problems, and difficulty finding a seat in the gym for sacrament meeting.  I have a baby, and one particular Sunday, he had a blow out just as we were leaving for church.  So we had to change his clothes completely and were late, having difficulty parking and finding a seat.</p>
<p>I tried to take extra care to emphasize that I wasn&#8217;t trying to &#8220;counsel the brethren&#8221;, and I hoped my email would be considered in the same way that Jethro counseled Moses.  My email was met with silence.  I told my bishop I wrote an email to the SP, and asked if he had heard anything.  He hadn&#8217;t heard anything (and was concerned that my email might be taken the wrong way) so he asked the SP if my email had offended him.  The SP said it was no big deal, and made a comment that when I was stake president I could split the wards as I chose.  (I wasn&#8217;t overly impressed with the SP response.)  I never heard a word from the SP, but in the coming months, he or his counselors would visit the ward and tell us they were aware of the overcrowding problem, and exhorted us to be patient.  I kept wondering if my email was the reason they were saying this.  Within about 3 months, they decided to realign the ward boundaries, and during the meeting, the SP used a phrase from my email that only he and I knew about.</p>
<p>As I discussed the ward split with my bishop, he said, &#8220;You&#8217;re the one that started this whole thing!&#8221;  I said, &#8220;Wow, I have a lot more power than I thought.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sure there were other influences here (my bishop had served 5 years and was due to be released anyway, and I am aware a counselor to the SP also had similar reservations about the size of our ward), but I do think that my email did play a role in influencing the SP in this decision when I talked about concerns about parking and overcrowding in sacrament meeting.  One Sunday I counted 60 people in the foyer because they couldn&#8217;t find a seat for sacrament meeting.  I think the split did happen sooner than it would have if I had stayed silent.</p>
<p>Now I know my issue isn&#8217;t very large in the scheme of things, but I was positively surprised at the results of my email.  Have any of you had any similar experiences, or are they all bad experiences?</p>
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		<title>How to Provide Critical Feedback to Church Leaders Church Without Getting Excommunicated</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you didn&#8217;t happen to read the February issue of Ensign Magazine in 1987, you missed some valuable instruction about how to provide critical feedback to Church leaders. Luckily for you, this post provides a second chance to get up to speed on what all would-be &#8220;improvers&#8221; in the Church should know about how to seek improving the Church without crossing any line that will forfeit your eternal exaltation and doom you to an eternity of teeth-gnashing with a TK smoothie. Over the past couple weeks here at Mormon Matters, we&#8217;ve had two posts discussing the need to be &#8220;improvers&#8221; in the Church rather than uncritical optimists or unloving pessimists, and suggesting some practical rules that would-be improvers should follow. Fortunately, our Church leaders have not left us to re-invent the wheel when it comes to figuring out what our options are when we disagree with their statements, policies, or practices. Below are excerpts from Elder Dallin H. Oaks&#8217; article entitled &#8220;Criticism,&#8221; which appeared in Ensign magazine in February of 1987. (You can read the full article here.) In this article, Elder Oaks straightforwardly informs Church members that there are two very different sets of rules when it comes to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you didn&#8217;t happen to read the February issue of Ensign Magazine in 1987,  you missed some valuable instruction about how to provide critical feedback to Church leaders.  Luckily for you, this post provides a second chance to get up to speed on what all would-be &#8220;improvers&#8221; in the Church should know about how to seek improving the Church without crossing any line that will forfeit your eternal exaltation and doom you to an eternity of teeth-gnashing with a <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/27/are-we-going-to-be-eunuchs-after-this-life/">TK smoothie</a>.<span id="more-7901"></span></p>
<p>Over the past couple weeks here at Mormon Matters, we&#8217;ve had two posts discussing <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/01/are-there-any-loving-critics-left-in-the-church/">the need to be &#8220;improvers&#8221; in the Church rather than uncritical optimists or unloving pessimists</a>, and suggesting some <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/09/so-you-want-to-be-an-improver/">practical rules that would-be improvers should follow</a>.  Fortunately, our Church leaders have not left us to re-invent the wheel when it comes to figuring out what our options are when we disagree with their statements, policies, or practices.</p>
<p>Below are excerpts from Elder Dallin H. Oaks&#8217; article entitled &#8220;Criticism,&#8221; which appeared in Ensign magazine in February of 1987.  (You can read the full article <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=883267700817b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">here</a>.)   In this article, Elder Oaks straightforwardly informs Church members that there are two very different sets of rules when it comes to publicly disclosing the truth and criticizing leaders or their decisions: (1) the rules that apply to the political and business worlds; and (2) the rules that apply to the Church.  According to Elder Oaks, it is essential for Church members to be aware of, and abide by, these two different sets of rules.  As you read these excerpts, I invite to you pay particular attention to the following ideas that Elder Oaks shares:</p>
<p>(1)  “&#8217;<span style="text-decoration: underline;">[T]he fact that something is true is not always a justification for communicating it</span>. . . .  The gist of Paul’s thought is that <span style="text-decoration: underline;">integrity is of no value in itself</span>.&#8217; . . .  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The critical consideration is how we use the truth</span>. . . .  A Christian who has concern for others exercises care in how he uses the truth. Such care does not denigrate the truth; it ennobles it.  Truth surely exists as an absolute, but <span style="text-decoration: underline;">our <em>use</em> of truth should be disciplined by other values</span>. . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>(2) &#8220;<span style="text-decoration: underline;">The use of truth should also be constrained by the principle of unity</span>. . .  However, this caution to constrain the use of truth provides <span style="text-decoration: underline;">no justification for lying</span>. . . .  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">When truth is constrained by other virtues, the outcome is not falsehood but silence</span> for a season.&#8221;</p>
<p>(3) &#8220;Government or corporate officials, who are elected directly or indirectly or appointed by majority vote, must expect that their performance will be subject to critical and public evaluations by their constituents. . . . <span style="text-decoration: underline;">A different principle applies in our Church, where the selection of leaders is based on revelation, subject to the sustaining vote of the membership. In our system of Church government, evil speaking and criticism of leaders by members is always negative. Whether the criticism is true or not</span>, as Elder George F. Richards explained, it tends to impair the leaders’ influence and usefulness, thus working against the Lord and his cause.&#8221;</p>
<p>(4)  You&#8217;ll want to pay particular attention to the latter part of Elder Oaks&#8217; article where he presents five suggestions for how to appropriately deal with situations where we find ourselves disagreeing with Church leaders.</p>
<p>And now, without further ado, excerpts of Elder Oaks&#8217; Ensign article on Criticism:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I am persuaded that many do not understand the Church’s teachings about personal criticism, especially the criticism of Church leaders by Church members</span>.</p>
<p>I do not refer to the kind of criticism the dictionary defines as “the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.” (<em>Random House Dictionary,</em> unabridged ed., s.v. “criticism.”) . . .  Sports writers, reviewers of books and music, scholars, investment analysts, and those who test products and services must be free to exercise their critical faculties and to inform the public accordingly. This kind of criticism is usually directed toward issues, and it is usually constructive.</p>
<p>My cautions against criticism refer to another of its meanings, which the dictionary defines as “the act of passing severe judgment; censure; faultfinding.” (Ibid., s.v. “criticism.”) Faultfinding is “the act of pointing out faults, especially faults of a petty nature.” (Ibid., s.v. “faultfinding.”) It is related to “backbiting,” which means “to attack the character or reputation of [a person who is not present].” (Ibid., s.v. “backbite.”) This kind of criticism is generally directed toward persons, and it is generally destructive.</p>
<p>Faultfinding, evil speaking, and backbiting are obviously unchristian. . . .  The primary reason we are commanded to avoid criticism is to preserve our own spiritual well-being, not to protect the person whom we would criticize. . . .</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Does this counsel to avoid faultfinding and personal criticism apply only to statements that are false? Doesn’t it also apply to statements that are true?</span> In a talk I recently gave to Church Educational System teachers, I urged that “<span style="text-decoration: underline;">the fact that something is true is not always a justification for communicating it</span>.” A letter published in the <em>New York Times Magazine</em> described my counsel as “contempt for the truth.” (Feb. 9, 1986, p. 86.) I disagree. I rely on the teaching in Ecclesiastes: “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/eccl/3//1#1')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/eccl/3/1#1" target="contentWindow">Eccl. 3:1</a>.) Specifically, there is “a time to speak,” and there is also “a time to keep silence.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/eccl/3//7#7')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/eccl/3/7#7" target="contentWindow">Eccl. 3:7</a>.)</p>
<p>The counsel to mute our criticism is like the counsel the Apostle Paul gave to the Corinthian Saints to abstain from eating meat offered as sacrifices to idols. In truth, he taught, the idol was nothing. But since some of the members were weak and might misunderstand, those who knew the truth needed to “take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/1_cor/8//9#9')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/1_cor/8/9#9" target="contentWindow">1 Cor. 8:9</a>.) A Protestant theologian, Krister Stendahl, concludes: <span style="text-decoration: underline;">“The gist of Paul’s thought is that integrity is of no value in itself.</span>” (See <em>Paul Among Jews and Gentiles and Other Essays,</em> Philadelphia: Fortress, 1976, p. 61.)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The critical consideration is how we use the truth</span>. When he treated this same subject in his letter to the Romans, Paul said, “If thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy him not with thy meat, for whom Christ died.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/rom/14//15#15')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/rom/14/15#15" target="contentWindow">Rom. 14:15</a>.) <span style="text-decoration: underline;">A Christian who has concern for others exercises care in how he uses the truth</span>. Such care does not denigrate the truth; it ennobles it.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Truth surely exists as an absolute, but our <em>use</em> of truth should be disciplined by other values</span>. . . .</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The use of truth should also be constrained by the principle of unity</span>. One who focuses on faults, though they be true, fosters dissensions and divisions among fellow Church members in the body of Christ. . . .  In this dispensation, the Lord commanded that “Every man [should] esteem his brother as himself,” and declared that “If ye are not one ye are not mine.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/38//25,27#25')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/38/25,27#25" target="contentWindow">D&amp;C 38:25, 27</a>.)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">However, this caution to constrain the use of truth provides no justification for lying. The principles of love, unity, righteousness, and mercy do not condone falsehood</span>. The Lord commanded, “Thou shalt not bear false witness” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/ex/20//16#16')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/ex/20/16#16" target="contentWindow">Ex. 20:16</a>), and he has not revoked that command. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">When truth is constrained by other virtues, the outcome is not falsehood but silence for a season.</span> As the scriptures say, there is “a time to keep silence, and a time to speak.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/eccl/3//7#7')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/eccl/3/7#7" target="contentWindow">Eccl. 3:7</a>.)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The counsel to avoid destructive personal criticism does not mean that Latter-day Saints need to be docile or indifferent to defective policies, deficient practices, or wrongful conduct in government or in private organizations in which we have an interest</span>. Our religious philosophy poses no obstacle to constructive criticism of such conditions. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The gospel message is a continuing constructive criticism of all that is wretched or sordid in society</span>. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">But Christians who are commanded to be charitable and to “[speak] the truth in love” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/eph/4//15#15')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/eph/4/15#15" target="contentWindow">Eph. 4:15</a>) should avoid personal attacks and shrill denunciations</span>. Our public communications—even those protesting against deficiencies—should be reasoned in content and positive in spirit.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Does the commandment to avoid faultfinding and evil speaking apply to Church members’ destructive personal criticism of Church leaders? Of course it does</span>. It applies to criticism of all Church leaders—local or general, male or female. In our relations with all of our Church leaders, we should follow the Apostle Paul’s direction: “Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/1_tim/5//1#1')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/1_tim/5/1#1" target="contentWindow">1 Tim. 5:1</a>.) . . .</p>
<p>“Criticism is particularly objectionable when it is directed toward Church authorities, general or local. Jude condemns those who ‘speak evil of dignities.’ (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/jude/1//8#8')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/jude/1/8#8" target="contentWindow">Jude 1:8</a>.) Evil speaking of the Lord’s anointed is in a class by itself. It is one thing to depreciate a person who exercises corporate power or even government power. It is quite another thing to criticize or depreciate a person for the performance of an office to which he or she has been called of God. . . .</p>
<p>Government or corporate officials, who are elected directly or indirectly or appointed by majority vote, must expect that their performance will be subject to critical and public evaluations by their constituents. That is part of the process of informing those who have the right and power of selection or removal. . . .</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A different principle applies in our Church, where the selection of leaders is based on revelation, subject to the sustaining vote of the membership. In our system of Church government, evil speaking and criticism of leaders by members is always negative</span>. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Whether the criticism is true or not, as Elder George F. Richards explained, it tends to impair the leaders’ influence and usefulness, thus working against the Lord and his cause</span>. . . .</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">So what do we do when we feel that our Relief Society president or our bishop or another authority is transgressing or pursuing a policy of which we disapprove? Is there no remedy? Are our critics correct when they charge that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are “sheep” without remedy against the whims of a heedless or even an evil shepherd?</span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">There are remedies, but they are not the same remedies or procedures that are used with leaders in other organizations</span>.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Our Father in Heaven has not compelled us to think the same way on every subject or procedure. As we seek to accomplish our life’s purposes, we will inevitably have differences with those around us—including some of those we sustain as our leaders. The question is not whether we have such differences, but how we manage them</span>. What the Lord has said on another subject is also true of the management of differences with his leaders: “It must needs be done in mine own way.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/104//16#16')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/104/16#16" target="contentWindow">D&amp;C 104:16</a>.) We should conduct ourselves in such a way that our thoughts and actions do not cause us to lose the companionship of the Spirit of the Lord.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The first principle in the gospel procedure for managing differences is to keep our personal differences private</span>. In this we have worthy examples to follow. Every student of Church history knows that there have been differences of opinion among Church leaders since the Church was organized. Each of us has experienced such differences in our work in auxiliaries, quorums, wards, stakes, and missions of the Church. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">We know that such differences are discussed, but not in public</span>. Counselors acquiesce in the decisions of their president. Teachers follow the direction of their presidency. Members are loyal to the counsel of their bishop. All of this is done quietly and loyally—even by members who would have done differently if they had been in the position of authority.</p>
<p>Why aren’t these differences discussed in public? <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Public debate—the means of resolving differences in a democratic government—is not appropriate in our Church government</span>. We are all subject to the authority of the called and sustained servants of the Lord. They and we are all governed by the direction of the Spirit of the Lord, and that Spirit only functions in an atmosphere of unity. That is why personal differences about Church doctrine or procedure need to be worked out privately. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">There is nothing inappropriate about private communications concerning such differences, provided they are carried on in a spirit of love</span>.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">There are at least five different procedures a Church member can follow in addressing differences with Church leaders—general or local, male or female</span>.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The first—and most benign—of the procedures is to overlook the difference</span>. President Brigham Young described his own application of this method in a circumstance in which he felt “a want of confidence” in the Prophet Joseph Smith’s financial management. After entertaining such thoughts for a short time, President Young saw that they could cause him to lose confidence in the Prophet and ultimately to question God as well. President Young concluded:</p>
<p>“Though I admitted in my feelings and knew all the time that Joseph was a human being and subject to err, still it was none of my business to look after his faults. … He was called of God; God dictated him, and if He had a mind to leave him to himself and let him commit an error, that was no business of mine. … He was God’s servant, and not mine.” (<em>Journal of Discourses,</em> 4:297.) . . .</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A second option is to reserve judgment and postpone any action on the difference</span>. In many instances, the actions we are tempted to criticize may be based on confidences that preclude the leader from explaining his or her actions publicly. In such instances there is wisdom in a strategy of patience and trust.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The third procedure, which should be familiar to every student of the Bible, is to take up our differences privately with the leader involved</span>. The Savior taught: “If thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/matt/18//15#15')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/matt/18/15#15" target="contentWindow">Matt. 18:15</a>.)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">This course of action may be pursued in a private meeting, if possible, or it may be done through a letter or other indirect communication</span>. How many differences could be resolved if we would only communicate privately about them! Some would disappear as they were identified as mere misunderstandings. Others would be postponed with an agreement to disagree for the present. But in many instances, private communications about differences would remove obstacles to individual growth and correction.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A fourth option is to communicate with the Church officer who has the power to correct or release the person thought to be in error or transgression</span>. The Bible calls this “tell[ing] it unto the church.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/matt/18//17#17')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/matt/18/17#17" target="contentWindow">Matt. 18:17</a>.) Modern scripture, in the revelation we call “the law of the Church,” describes this procedure:</p>
<p>“And if he or she confess not thou shalt deliver him or her up unto the church, not to the members, but to the elders. And it shall be done in a meeting, and that not before the world.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/42//89#89')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/42/89#89" target="contentWindow">D&amp;C 42:89</a>.)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Note the caution that this remedy is to be private—“not before the world</span>.” This is not done in order to hide the facts, but rather to increase the chance that the correction will improve the life of a brother or sister. . . .</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">There is a fifth remedy. We can pray for the resolution of the problem</span>. We should pray for the leader whom we think to be in error, asking the Lord to correct the circumstance if it needs correction. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">At the same time, we should pray for ourselves, asking the Lord to correct us if we are in error</span>. . . .</p>
<p>All five of these are appropriate options for Church members who differ with their leaders. The preferred course depends upon the circumstances and the inspiration that guides those who prayerfully seek. . . .</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Despite the commandments and counsel I have reviewed, we have some members who persistently and publicly criticize Church leaders. What about them?</span> . . .</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Just as our Church leaders’ source of authority is different from that of government and corporate leaders, so are the procedures for correcting Church leaders different from those used to correct leaders chosen by popular election</span>. But the differences are appropriate to the way in which our Church leaders are called and released. By following approved procedures, we can keep from alienating ourselves from the Spirit of the Lord.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">This counsel will be anathema to some. I invite those who are troubled by it to consider it in terms of the teachings of the scriptures rather than in terms of their personal preferences or the canons of any particular profession. Those who reject the authority of the scriptures or our latter-day prophets cannot be expected to agree with what I have said</span>. Those who see freedom or truth as absolutely overriding principles in all human actions cannot be expected to be persuaded by the scriptures’ teaching that “knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/1_cor/8//1#1')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/1_cor/8/1#1" target="contentWindow">1 Cor. 8:1</a>.)</p>
<p>Those who govern their thoughts and actions solely by the principles of liberalism or conservatism or intellectualism cannot be expected to agree with all of the teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">As for me, I find some wisdom in liberalism, some wisdom in conservatism, and much truth in intellectualism—but I find no salvation in any of them</span>.</p>
<p>. . . <span style="text-decoration: underline;">It is easy to preach freedom or truth. Praise for those subjects is usually safe and always popular. It is infinitely more difficult to preach how men and women should <em>use</em> freedom or truth. The preacher of that message may command respect, but he or she will not win popularity</span>.</p>
<p>I conclude with a message of hope. When Isaiah condemned the critics of his day, he concluded with a prophecy. He said that in time the children of God would sanctify his name and “fear the God of Israel.” Continuing, he declared, “They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/isa/29//23-24#23')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/isa/29/23-24#23" target="contentWindow">Isa. 29:23–24</a>.) In that spirit I pray for the day when all of us will know God and keep his commandments. In that day, as Isaiah foretold, the “king shall reign in righteousness,” and “the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.” (<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/isa/32//1,17#1')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/isa/32/1,17#1" target="contentWindow">Isa. 32:1, 17</a>.)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Great Expectations: What Are Your Hopes and Predictions for General Conference?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;It&#8217;s the MOST WONderful TIIIME of the YEARRRRRR.&#8221;  The leaves are starting to change color. The evenings and mornings are a bit crisper. Even the birds&#8217; singing suddenly sounds sweeter than ever. General Conference must be coming this weekend. Twice a year, I can&#8217;t help formulating hopes and expectations, or making predictions about what we might hear in the next General Conference. There are a few things that are givens. We can expect to hear spiritual messages that transcend the issues discussed most often on LDS blogs. We can expect to hear speakers relate sincere, heart-felt experiences that bring comfort to those who are struggling with loneliness, loss, sickness, guilt, or feelings of inadequacy. Those are messages I know I can expect to hear every conference.  But the anticipation that slowly builds in my mind over the couple weeks before Conference is whether we will hear anything about the issues typically discussed in the Bloggernacle by those for whom the Church is more than a religion or a lifestyle, and who make a hobby out of studying Mormonism from an academic standpoint. Major changes in the Church have been announced at General Conferences in the past, and when the Ninth [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7657" title="pres monson chair" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/pres-monson-chair-150x150.jpg" alt="pres monson chair" width="150" height="150" />&#8220;It&#8217;s the MOST WONderful TIIIME of the YEARRRRRR.&#8221;  The leaves are starting to change color.  The evenings and mornings are a bit crisper. Even the birds&#8217; singing suddenly sounds sweeter than ever.</p>
<p>General Conference must be coming this weekend.</p>
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<p>Twice a year, I can&#8217;t help formulating hopes and expectations, or making predictions about what we might hear in the next General Conference.  There are a few things that are givens.  We can expect to hear spiritual messages that transcend the issues discussed most often on LDS blogs.  We can expect to hear speakers relate sincere, heart-felt experiences that bring comfort to those who are struggling with loneliness, loss, sickness, guilt, or feelings of inadequacy.  Those are messages I know I can expect to hear every conference.  But the anticipation that slowly builds in my mind over the couple weeks before Conference is whether we will hear anything about the issues typically discussed in the Bloggernacle by those for whom the Church is more than a religion or a lifestyle, and who make a hobby out of studying Mormonism from an academic standpoint.</p>
<p>Major changes in the Church have been announced at General Conferences in the past, and when the Ninth Article of Faith tells us that God &#8220;will <span style="text-decoration: underline;">yet</span> reveal  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">many</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">great</span> and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">important</span> things pertaining to the Kingdom of God,&#8221; I can&#8217;t help wondering whether any of those &#8220;great and important things&#8221; will come out this Conference.</p>
<p>I invite you to express your own hopes, expectations, and predictions for this coming General Conference in the comment section below.  But before doing so, I&#8217;d like to share with you a few of mine.</p>
<p><strong>1.  Consensus and Clarity About the Nature of Revelation</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7660" title="51" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/51-150x150.gif" alt="51" width="150" height="150" />I have come to believe we are a bit schizophrenic in the Church when it comes to defining and explaining what &#8220;revelation&#8221; is, particularly as it applies to revelations received by the Prophets and Apostles.  Some Church leaders and members seem to view revelation as a process whereby God transmits his exact thoughts and words directly to the Prophet, who then passes them on to us without any human interference or input, such that revelations handed down by the Prophets are completely free from any human considerations (e.g. economic, political) in their origin, and completely free from any human error in the Prophet&#8217;s perception and interpretation of what he believes God told him.  Some LDS apologists have referred to this version of revelation as reflecting a &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; mindset, so for the sake of ease I&#8217;ll refer to this as the &#8220;Fundamentalist Version&#8221; of revelation.  The Fundamentalist Version of revelation is usually presented when Church leaders are trying to create unity and motivate members to rally around a particular program or policy and carry it out without question or challenge. The Fundamentalist Version creates compliance and squashes dissent because if we view revelation as a pure transmission of God&#8217;s will devoid of any human imperfections, then members will feel no room to question or refuse to comply, and Church leaders will feel divinely justified in reprimanding and punishing those who do.  A few examples of scriptures or quotes used to support the Fundamentalist Version of revelation are: &#8220;whether it be from my mouth or the mouth of my servants, it is the same&#8221; or &#8220;the Prophet will never lead us astray.&#8221;  And when something the Prophet says or does seems not to make sense, the scripture &#8220;[God's] ways are higher than [man's] ways&#8221; is often invoked, the implication being that if what the Prophet says or does doesn&#8217;t make sense, it must be because it is one of those &#8220;higher&#8221; divine truths, rather than because the Prophet has made a human error.  The Fundamentalist Version of revelation seems simple, clear, and provides a feeling of comfort and safety to people looking for a reliable guide to help them navigate through the perils and uncertainties of the world.  But this Fundamentalist Version of revelation also has a significant downside: it creates an image of Prophets as being men who do not err in their revelations, so when people encounter evidence that seems to overwhelmingly demonstrate that Prophets past and present <em>have</em> erred, this Fundamentalist Version of revelation provides no framework to reconcile those obvious human errors with the belief that so-and-so was a genuine Prophet of God.  In other words, the Fundamentalist Version of revelation creates the expectation that Prophets and their revelations are <em>infallible</em>, because despite the occasional acknowledgements of prophetic fallibility <em>in theory</em>, telling people that whatever the <em>Prophet</em> says is what <em>God</em> says creates an illusion of prophetic infallibility <em>in practice</em>.  As a result, when Church members who embrace the Fundamentalist Version of revelation encounter convincing proof of human error in the statements or actions of Prophets (and if the Internet provides us an accurate glimpse, there are <em>many</em> such people) they become disillusioned and stop believing in the concept of revelation altogether.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7661" title="95josephfaceinhat" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/95josephfaceinhat-150x150.gif" alt="95josephfaceinhat" width="150" height="150" />However, there is another version of revelation within the Church, one which has long existed alongside this Fundamentalist Version in our scripture and in Church leaders&#8217; statements.  And because it has become so popular with LDS Apologists, we could call it the Apologist Version of revelation.  In the Apologist Version, revelation is understood to be a collaborative process between a perfect, omniscient God and imperfect men with limited understanding who &#8220;see through a glass, darkly.&#8221;  In the Apologist Version, we understand that revelation is a transmission of divine knowledge oftentimes received as somewhat vague &#8220;impressions&#8221; that can be misperceived and misinterpreted by fallible men who have cultural biases, human passions, political and economic considerations, and pride.  As a result, we hope and expect that revelations will <em>usually</em> reflect God&#8217;s will on at least a <em>general</em> level, but we recognize that sometimes those revelations will err in their specifics, or (hopefully rarely) be wrong altogether.  This version of revelation is usually presented in the context of apologetics when responding to uncomfortable evidence that seems to conclusively demonstrate that the statements or policies of past or present Prophets and Apostles have been in error.  Thus, the Apologist Version of revelation is often used to persuade someone that he should not lose his testimony of Joseph Smith as a Prophet because it allows someone like Joseph Smith to inadvertently mix human errors into his revelations and still be a Prophet.  In support of this version of revelation, apologists cite the acknowledgments in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants that God&#8217;s servants &#8220;err&#8221; in ways that are eventually &#8220;made known&#8221; but that their revelations should be heeded nonetheless.  Or we find the Apologist Version of revelation in Joseph Smith&#8217;s famous quotes that &#8220;some revelations are from God, some are from man, and some are from the devil&#8221; or that &#8220;a prophet is only a prophet when he speaks as a prophet.&#8221;   The overall idea presented in this version of revelation is that it sometimes contains human errors, and therefore we ought to <em>expect</em> to find such errors without losing our testimony of Church leaders&#8217; prophetic callings when we do.  Of course, the drawback of the Apologist Version of revelation from the perspective a Church leader is that it causes some Church members to feel free to doubt, question, challenge, or refuse to comply with the Prophet&#8217;s purported revelations on the grounds that they reflect the will of man rather than the will of God.  And such doubting and dissent is a hindrance to administrative effectiveness in <em>any</em> organization.</p>
<p>Because I see these two different versions of revelation existing within the Church, anytime the subject of revelation comes up in a talk, either directly or indirectly, my ears always perk up and I listen closely to which version is being presented: the Fundamentalist Version or the Apologist Version.  Overall, it&#8217;s my feeling that the Fundamentalist Version of revelation is most often presented in sermons and lessons by both Church leaders and members, with a sprinkling of the Apologist Version from time to time, such as when uncomfortable situations arise where it become necessary to acknowledge prophetic error in attempt to save someone from losing his testimony altogether.  However, I think anyone who has been paying attention to FARMS, FAIR, and the Church&#8217;s media and public affairs departments have good cause to believe that the Apologist Version of revelation is becoming more popular and is being invoked more frequently, perhaps in an effort to stem the flow of folks losing their testimonies over troublesome episodes in Church history that seem to reflect human error in Church leadership.  So with the Church&#8217;s media and public affairs folks quoting apologists with seemingly increasing frequency, I am constantly curious to see whether and when the Apologist Version of revelation will become the dominant version of revelation presented by Church leaders at General Conference.</p>
<p>Very briefly, four more issues I&#8217;m always wondering whether will be addressed:</p>
<p><strong>2.  A clearly-worded, official repudiation of the statements made by past Church leaders to support the pre-1978 priesthood ban for African Americans.</strong> The policy changed in 1978, but there was never an accompanying clear, official renunciation of the many statements that past Church leaders had made to support it.  Many of those statements are still sitting on Church members&#8217; bookshelves at home.  And when people ask the understandable question of why the ban was ever instituted in the first place, those old statements, some of which are extremely hurtful, are sometimes trotted out by misguided members.  We know a committee was formed to draft such a statement several years ago, and there were high hopes such a statement would be presented at the 20-year and 30-year anniversaries of the rescission of that ban, but it didn&#8217;t come.  Will it come this Conference?</p>
<p><strong>3.  Will we receive messages aimed at preparing Church members to continue to generously donate their time and money to support legislation to prevent Same-Sex Marriage?</strong> Or will the negative backlash from some quarters regarding the Church&#8217;s heavy involvement in Prop. 8 result in a more moderate approach that simply &#8220;encourages&#8221; members to do so, but this time without creating a mechanism of administrative enforcement for that &#8220;encouragement&#8221;?  I have heard anecdotal stories about General Authorities saying that Prop. 8 was nothing compared to what the Church will be doing in the future, so we shall see what comes out about that topic in Conference.</p>
<p><strong>4.  Clarification about what the &#8220;central&#8221; components of the Restored Gospel are.</strong> Recently, a notable LDS apologist who specializes in Egyptology and the Book of Abraham, Dr. John Gee, gave a talk in which he provided a list of what was &#8220;central&#8221; to the Restored Gospel.  His list included the Book of Mormon, but excluded the book of scripture that he has researched and defended for so long: the Book of Abraham.  Dr. Gee&#8217;s speech prompted discussion about the criteria for determining what the &#8220;central&#8221; components of the Restored Gospel are, and also fueled speculation about whether Dr. Gee&#8217;s exclusion of the Book of Abraham reflected a lack of scholarly confidence in Joseph Smith&#8217;s claims about that book of scripture in attempt to establish a &#8220;fall back position&#8221; where the Church can argue that academic challenges to the Book of Abraham should not undermine anyone&#8217;s testimony of Joseph Smith&#8217;s status as a Prophet on the theory that the book is &#8220;not central to the Restored Gospel.&#8221;  Was Dr. Gee&#8217;s statement a prelude to a change in the way the Church views, teaches, and uses the Book of Abraham?  My guess is probably not; the Church seldom seems to move that quickly.  But the Church&#8217;s relatively recent revision of the Introduction to the Book of Mormon, which was preceded by an emerging consensus among LDS scholars that the Book of Mormon action took place within a limited geography rather than upon the entire American Continent, demonstrates that these types of issues are receiving the attention of the General Authorities, and that the General Authorities are willing to adjust the Church&#8217;s claims about its books of scripture.  So perhaps something is in the works on this issue.</p>
<p><strong>5.  Warnings, admonishments, and clarifications about what the General Authorities view as being appropriate and inappropriate online discussion of LDS doctrine and history. </strong> Elder Ballard&#8217;s recent encouragement to become involved in online discussions about the Church seems to have enlarged the pool of Mormons participating in the Bloggernacle and other online discussion fora.  However, it seems only a matter of time that Church leaders will recognize that Church members&#8217; increased involvement in online discussions about Church history and doctrine will only increase the likelihood that they will come into contact with uncomfortable information that they otherwise would not have encountered.  Around 20 years ago, Elder Oaks delivered an address in which he warned Church members about participating in symposia and becoming involved with &#8220;alternate voices.&#8221;  But Elder Ballard&#8217;s encouragement to become involved in the world of online discussions seems to have departed from that approach, or to have at least created ambiguity about the degree to which faithful Church members should be involving themselves in online discussions and debates, even with the intent to defend the Church.  Will the General Authorities issue any warnings or admonishments about the &#8220;proper&#8221; way to discuss Church topics online, or the &#8220;proper&#8221; online fora to visit?  If so, it seems Elder Ballard would be the most likely Apostle to deliver that message.</p>
<p>Overall, I should say my expectations are not high that issue #2 will receive any mention in Conference.  While I do believe it is possible, it seems the Church prefers to make such statements more quietly in between Conferences, rather than making any sort of dramatic public announcement that will attract attention to an uncomfortable topic.  But I do think it&#8217;s very possible we will hear messages addressing issues #3 , #4, and #5.</p>
<p>So, what are your hopes, expectations, or predictions for this coming General Conference?</p>
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		<title>A Personal Interpretation of Elder Hafen&#8217;s Remarks</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the Evergreen conference held September 18-19, 2009, Elder Bruce Hafen gave a talk regarding homosexuality. The talk was reprinted on the official LDS Church Newsroom website. I will not synopsize the talk here but I suggest reading it yourself. Within a very short time, for obvious reasons, the bloggernacle was dissecting and analyzing the speech. These actions generated some interesting discussions here, and one permablogger at FMH did a good job of challenging the less-than-spectacular research here. Posing the Questions on a Personal Level Since these two bloggers did such a nice job, I will not attempt to address his remarks directly. Rather, I am interested in discussing the address from a personal standpoint. Particularly, I&#8217;m interested in how I, jmb275, can understand and deal with his remarks since I clearly do not agree with him. Let me be very clear here, I do not agree with Elder Hafen&#8217;s remarks, and I recognize the poor research, logical fallacies, and dogmatic approach to this issue. I understand that it seems to be a step backwards for the church, and I recognize it is not in harmony with some other messages being sent from the church on this issue (see here, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the <a href="http://www.evergreeninternational.org/">Evergreen</a> conference held September 18-19, 2009, Elder Bruce Hafen gave a talk regarding homosexuality.  The talk was <a href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/elder-bruce-c-hafen-speaks-on-same-sex-attraction">reprinted</a> on the official LDS Church Newsroom website.  I will not synopsize the talk here but I suggest reading it yourself.  Within a very short time, for obvious reasons, the bloggernacle was dissecting and analyzing the speech.  These actions generated some interesting discussions <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/20/affirmation-v-evergreen/">here</a>, and one permablogger at FMH did a good job of challenging the less-than-spectacular research <a href="http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/?p=2657">here</a>.<span id="more-7552"></span></p>
<h4>Posing the Questions on a Personal Level</h4>
<p>Since these two bloggers did such a nice job, I will not attempt to address his remarks directly.  Rather, I am interested in discussing the address from a personal standpoint.  Particularly, I&#8217;m interested in how I, jmb275, can understand and deal with his remarks since I clearly do not agree with him.</p>
<p>Let me be very clear here, I do not agree with Elder Hafen&#8217;s remarks, and I recognize the poor research, logical fallacies, and dogmatic approach to this issue.  I understand that it seems to be a step backwards for the church, and I recognize it is not in harmony with some other messages being sent from the church on this issue (see <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=35ce1a01e8d43210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">here</a>, <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&amp;sourceId=e5cbba12dc825110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">here</a>, or <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&amp;sourceId=3e05c8322e1b3110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">here</a>).  I also recognize that Elder Hafen was very bold, possibly to the point of establishing new doctrine (resurrection is, definitively, a mechanism which removes homosexual feelings?).  However, <strong>none of this is what I want to deal with</strong>.  What is done, is done, and his remarks have been analyzed.  I&#8217;m interested in answering the following questions:</p>
<ol>
<li>Is this the last straw?  Should I simply leave the church?</li>
<li>If not, do I have to agree with Elder Hafen to be a member in good standing?</li>
<li>How can I categorize, or otherwise deal with Elder Hafen&#8217;s remarks?</li>
<li>What is my relationship with the church, and does my membership imply my consent for, or agreement with what has been said?</li>
</ol>
<h4>Answering the Questions For <strong>ME</strong></h4>
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<li><strong>Answering #1</strong>.  I am not in the business of trying to convince people to stay in the church, or to leave the church.  I see great arguments on both sides.  However, I have made my choice to stay, and find spiritual nourishment in my choice.  There&#8217;s simply enough good, to me, in the church, and I am sufficiently attached to it psychologically, and physically (through family) to convince me to remain.  If your choice is to leave, then we&#8217;re done here and you can move along.  Since I choose to remain we will move on to answering the other questions (and since it wouldn&#8217;t be a very interesting blog post if I didn&#8217;t).</li>
<li><strong>Answering #2</strong>. I think there will be many who would answer &#8220;yes&#8221; to this question.  I believe this is a product of our Mormon culture.  Indeed, from my reading of Joseph Smith&#8217;s life, I think the very idea would strike against what Joseph said and did!  The good news is that despite what many might think, there is nothing in any doctrine of which I am aware that says disagreement with one of the Brethren puts my membership in jeopardy.  Certainly I can &#8220;sustain&#8221; the Brethren, and recognize their authority in the church without agreeing with everything they say!</li>
<li><strong>Answering #3</strong>. It would seem like there are some relatively straightforward answers to this question.
<ul>
<li>Elder Hafen is a man, so we could conclude that his remarks are &#8220;the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.&#8221;  After all, I have chalked up lots of things said by prophets to this idea.  There certainly is truth in this analysis since each of us &#8220;see[s] through a glass, darkly&#8221;(1 Cor 13:12).</li>
<li>Elder Hafen is not the prophet, nor does he speak for the prophet (at least he didn&#8217;t indicate that we was).  Hence, we can conclude that this does not represent the position of the church collectively, and may not be God&#8217;s will.</li>
<li>Elder Hafen is using apologetics, coupled with suspect research, all as a dogmatist to draw invalid conclusions.  Indeed, rather than examining the evidence and drawing conclusions (the scientific method), the dogmatist already knows the &#8220;truth&#8221; (has drawn the conclusions) and must <em>interpret</em> the evidence accordingly.</li>
</ul>
<p>These are all valid points, and possible answers.  But notice that they focus on characterizing Elder Hafen himself, or his remarks.  I am interested in something more.  How can I <em>understand</em> his remarks, disagree with them, but still respect him and his position?</p>
<p>For this, I feel I must turn to an attempt to understand Elder Hafen in a Christlike way.  Are his intentions good?  Does he believe that what he&#8217;s doing is right?  Does he really seek to hurt people, or does he seek to help them overcome what he believes is a temptation to be conquered?  In other words, rather than dismissing his words and analyzing their negative effect on people, I am seeking understanding as to what leads him to make such remarks in the first place.  After all, most of us do what we think is best, not intentionally trying to hurt each other, although that effort may be misguided!</p>
<p>What does this approach buy me?  Empathy, and understanding!  Not <em>agreement</em>, and not <em>consent</em>, but understanding.  It seeks nuance when the tendency is to be dismissive (black), or accepting (white).  It gives me the tools I need to avoid letting anger dictate my actions.  And, ultimately, at the end of the day, I personally believe that this kind of understanding helps me to transcend my natural inclinations, and use a higher model of human interaction.</li>
<li><strong>Answering #4</strong>. Answering #4 is an important key, for me, in understanding my relationship with any of the organizations to which I belong &#8211; church, work, country, school, etc.  For me, it is a balancing act.  I must sufficiently care for the organization (since I receive benefit from it) to desire to stay a part of it, and desire that it remain intact.  But in contrast, I must be sufficiently divorced from the organization in order to avoid the personal pitfalls that come with being a part of it (groupthink, mind control, defending the indefensible, etc.).How do I directly apply this balancing act to the church?  I have separated my spiritual growth from the organization!  Currently, I find the church a useful mechanism for me to serve, pray, introspect, and otherwise grow spiritually.  Arguably, some of this may be attached to being raised LDS.  That&#8217;s irrelevant to me, as the important point is that I grow spiritually in this particular environment.  It also means I can look at Elder Hafen&#8217;s remarks and not feel inclined to defend that with which I do not agree.  In contrast to the response to #3, this balancing act <em>does</em> allow me the ability to dismiss his remarks (should I feel so inclined).
<p>Certainly this can be taken to the extreme, and if the church started sanctioning secret assassinations I would be the first one out the door.  But I don&#8217;t see this type of evil in the LDS church (contrary to what some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven">critics</a> may infer).  I love this church, and want it to succeed.  But I maintain sufficient distance that I need not accept every piece of doctrine or opinion.</li>
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<p>I appreciate what has been said regarding Elder Hafen&#8217;s speech by others in the bloggernacle.  I make no excuse for the backward step his words seem to imply.  However, I do wish to transcend his remarks and take them in stride.  These words from Denise Turner in the Ensign a few years back seem particularly appropriate:</p>
<blockquote><p>Regrettably, there are times when others&#8217; motives are not entirely innocent. This may particularly cause pain and confusion when the offender&#8217;s actions seem to contradict the religion he or she espouses; yet even in these difficult situations we are not justified in nursing our anger or turning away from the Church. President Stephen L Richards, First Counselor to President David O. McKay, said, &#8220;Does one offense wipe out another? Does weakness in one, even one who has been given a testimony of the truth, justify transgression of the law or failure to listen to its precepts?&#8221; (&#8220;Encouragement for Repenters,&#8221; Improvement Era, June 1956, 398). Our testimonies must be based on Jesus Christ, not on imperfect and fallible individuals. (Denise Turner, &#8220;If Any Man Offend Not&#8221;, Ensign, August 1998)</p></blockquote>
<p>Whether your testimony is literal, metaphorical, or you are TBM, non-Mormon, or a middle-way advocate, I think we can learn to understand our fellows better, and while not agreeing with them, can still respect and honor them.</p>
<p>So how do you plan to deal with Elder Hafen&#8217;s remarks?</p>
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		<title>&#8216;I really think it would be best if you ended your remarks at this point?&#8217;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Remy posted an interesting blog/video where a man, speaking about his concern with the Church&#8217;s practice and policy during the Prop 8 debate, was asked by the Bishop to stop.  The man protested and was allowed to finish but the Microphone was turned off.  What would make you ask someone to sit down? I have never even seen this done.  Therefore I thought I would include a short poll to see if you good folks have:  [poll id="60"] I hope John won&#8217;t mind me including the video here for you all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZQ5TgFRac If you were a Bishop, what would it take for you to ask someone to sit down or change what they were saying?  Is there anything that would cause you to do that? Doctrinal Disagreement (if so what kind?) Attack of a Church Leader Personal Criticism of a Member Swearing Drunk or on Drugs For my part I disagree with someone after they had spoken if I felt that it might upset people.  For example, if someone declared Jesus to be a liar I might express my feelings to the contrary afterward.  I think personal criticism or swearing might be something which I might stop.  If they [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Remy posted an interesting <a href="http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/12/extinguishing-the-lights-along-the-shore-one-man-speaks-against-prop-8-in-an-lds-meeting/">blog</a>/video where a man, speaking about his concern with the Church&#8217;s practice and policy during the Prop 8 debate, was asked by the Bishop to stop.  The man protested and was allowed to finish but the Microphone was turned off.  What would make you ask someone to sit down?<span id="more-7318"></span></p>
<p>I have never even seen this done.  Therefore I thought I would include a short poll to see if you good folks have:</p>
<p style="text-align: left"> [poll id="60"]</p>
<p>I hope John won&#8217;t mind me including the video here for you all.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZQ5TgFRac">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZQ5TgFRac</a></p>
<p>If you were a Bishop, what would it take for you to ask someone to sit down or change what they were saying?  Is there anything that would cause you to do that?</p>
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<li>Doctrinal Disagreement (if so what kind?)</li>
<li>Attack of a Church Leader</li>
<li>Personal Criticism of a Member</li>
<li>Swearing</li>
<li>Drunk or on Drugs</li>
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<p>For my part I disagree with someone after they had spoken if I felt that it might upset people.  For example, if someone declared Jesus to be a liar I might express my feelings to the contrary afterward.  I think personal criticism or swearing might be something which I might stop.  If they were drunk I could accept it as long as they did not do any of the other two.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a fan of Mormon Studies I value the opportunity to discuss and, sometimes, disagree.  In this regard, I have been particularly inspired by the vision of J. Bonner Ritchie.  He has repeatedly argued for openness and honesty regarding the Mormon Experience.  However, I wonder whether Mormon thought really has space for this kind of openness when we retain the LDS version of the pre-mortal Grand Council as our archetypal council meeting? Ritchie has said: &#8216;I want to be part of a culture that dares to asks questions and can live with uncomfortable or no answers&#8217;.  Further, he has said &#8216;I appreciate Sunstone [or other open forums for discussion] not because I agree with everything that is said.  I agree with precious little that is said, here or anywhere else.  But I defend with passion the right to say it&#8217; [1]. Kathleen Flake in a profound and challenging Sunstone presentation has said &#8220;First stories are very important.  They are the ones we go back to again and again to understand the present and to envision our future possibilities&#8230; [Beginnings]  are a function of making meaning out of the past to explain the present and construct the future&#8221; [2].  The Grand Council is such a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left">As a fan of Mormon Studies I value the opportunity to discuss and, sometimes, disagree.  In this regard, I have been particularly inspired by the vision of J. Bonner Ritchie.  He has repeatedly argued for openness and honesty regarding the Mormon Experience.  However, I wonder whether Mormon thought really has space for this kind of openness when we retain the LDS version of the pre-mortal Grand Council as our archetypal council meeting?<span id="more-6721"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://marriottschool.byu.edu/images/content/news/Ritchie_Bonner_article.jpg" alt="" width="133" height="200" />Ritchie has said: &#8216;I want to be part of a culture that dares to asks questions and can live with uncomfortable or no answers&#8217;.  Further, he has said &#8216;I appreciate Sunstone [or other open forums for discussion] not because I agree with everything that is said.  I agree with precious little that is said, here or anywhere else.  But I defend with passion the right to say it&#8217; [1].</p>
<p>Kathleen Flake in a profound and challenging Sunstone presentation has said &#8220;First stories are very important.  They are the ones we go back to again and again to understand the present and to envision our future possibilities&#8230; [Beginnings]  are a function of making meaning out of the past to explain the present and construct the future&#8221; [2].  The Grand Council is such a story.  Therefore how we understand it has important implications for the Church&#8217;s future possibilities. </p>
<p>Moses 4 seems to indicate that there was some sort of discussion about the Plan. It is difficult to tell much from this but at the very least Lucifer&#8217;s views were heard.  Further he had the chance, it seems, to be persuasive enough to have some agree with his point of view.  So far this all seems quite friendly, almost like a Sunstone symposium session. </p>
<p>Then God ends the discussion with a definitive declaration of his plan.  Although there is an idea that people could still choose which side to vote for; the implication was that either you follow God&#8217;s plan or you are banished.  Thus if we accept the Grand Council as our archetypal council meeting what message does this present to us.  The basic message seems to be: discussion is good until the answer is given.  Yet, what inspi<img class="alignright" src="http://www.usu.edu/ust/img/large/Kathleen-Flake_arrington.jpg" alt="" width="230" height="270" />res me about Bonner Ritchie&#8217;s ideas is that such open discussion and, more importantly for me, the raising of questions is a <em>process</em> that attempts to transcend the paradoxes of faith.  He suggests that there are not always answers to the questions or issues that are raised but learning to deal with this tension is spiritually healthy.  That resonates with me in a way that the Grand Council does not. </p>
<p>As a result, I believe, that unless this archetype can be re-interpreted, the vision that Ritchie has will never be realised, because there will always be a strong &#8216;doctrinal&#8217; foundation for the view that: discussion is good until the answer is given.</p>
<p>Have I mis-interpreted the Grand Council?</p>
<p>How else can we interpret this narrative?</p>
<p>Can Bonner Ritchie&#8217;s vision be realised without a need to re-interpret these scriptural archetypes?</p>
<p>Notes:</p>
<p>1. J. Bonner Ritchie, Pillars of my Faith delivered at Sunstone. Available <a href="https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/index.php?option=com_mira&amp;Itemid=35&amp;searchword=bonner+ritchie+faith+pillars&amp;filter=audio&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;constraint=none">Here</a>.</p>
<p>2. Kathleen Flake, <em>Evil&#8217;s Origin and Evil&#8217;s End in the Joseph Smith Translation of Genesis</em> in Sunstone [Salt Lake City, UT.: Sunstone Education Foundation, 1998] p. 25.</p>
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		<title>What if the Brethren decided to allow gay marriage? by Justin Perry</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if the Brethren decided to allow gay marriage? They&#8217;d have to do a lot of back-peddling to explain why they were suddenly in favor of something they stood against for so long. But over time, the church&#8217;s previous &#8220;official&#8221; opposition to gay marriage would be downplayed, the Apostles who spoke publicly against gay marriage would be criticized for giving their own personal, uninspired opinion, and new generations of LDS children would grow up in a church that accepted gays openly. If the church did reverse their position on gay marriage, though, they wouldn&#8217;t automatically be off the hook. The fact that they were ever against gay marriage would haunt them for decades to come. I imagine there would be exchanges in newspapers and internet forums that would resemble something like the following: Letter to the Editor, March 15th, 2039 I think it is completely inappropriate for the Mormons to participate in this years gay rights parade. Historically, the Mormons have done terrible things to gays, trying to &#8220;cure&#8221; them through cruel experiments at the Brigham Young College, denying them the priesthood for nearly 200 years, and taking away their right to marry after the government granted it to them [...]]]></description>
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<div><span>What</span> <span>if</span> <span>the</span> <span>Brethren</span> decided <span>to</span> <span>allow</span> <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span>?  They&#8217;d have <span>to</span> do a lot of back-peddling <span>to</span> explain why they <span>were</span> suddenly in favor of something they stood against for so long.  But over time, <span>the</span> church&#8217;s previous &#8220;official&#8221; opposition <span>to</span> <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span> would be downplayed, <span>the</span> Apostles who spoke publicly against <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span> would be criticized for giving their own personal, uninspired opinion, and new generations of LDS children would grow up in a church that accepted gays openly.<span id="more-6797"></span></p>
<p><span>If</span> <span>the</span> church did reverse their position on <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span>, though, they wouldn&#8217;t automatically be off <span>the</span> hook.  <span>The</span> fact that they <span>were</span> <span style="font-style: italic">ever</span> against <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span> would haunt them for decades <span>to</span> come.</p>
<p>I imagine there would be exchanges in newspapers and internet forums that would resemble something like <span>the</span> following:</div>
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<div><span style="font-weight: bold">Letter <span>to</span> <span>the</span> Editor, March 15th, 2039</span><br />
I think it is completely inappropriate for <span>the</span> Mormons <span>to</span> participate in this years <span>gay</span> rights parade.  Historically, <span>the</span> Mormons have done terrible things <span>to</span> gays, trying <span>to</span> &#8220;cure&#8221; them through cruel experiments at <span>the</span> Brigham Young College, denying them <span>the</span> priesthood for nearly 200 years, and taking away their right <span>to</span> marry after <span>the</span> government granted it <span>to</span> them in 2008.  Did you know that Mormons used <span>to</span> consider homosexuality a SIN??  Today, they still believe that <span>gay</span> people are mentally ill, as <span>if</span> homosexuality was some kind of mark of insanity.  <span>If</span> you don&#8217;t believe me, just Google some of <span>the</span> old speeches by <span>the</span> Mormon &#8220;Apostle&#8221; Dallin Oaks.<br />
Please be reasonable and don&#8217;t let <span>the</span> Mormons bring their prejudice <span>to</span> <span>the</span> public parade this Saturday.<br />
- Concerned Citizen</div>
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<div><span style="font-weight: bold">Response, March 22nd, 2039</span><br />
I would like <span>to</span> respond <span>to</span> your accusation that Mormons are prejudiced or &#8220;anti-<span>gay</span>&#8220;.  First of all, let me say that my aunt and my cousin are both <span>gay</span>, and I love them and they are among <span>the</span> most faithful, well-respected members of our Stake.  I also once had a Bishop who was <span>gay</span> and he was a pillar of <span>the</span> community and a spiritual giant.  Before I say anything else, I would like <span>to</span> remind you that since <span>the</span> release of Official Declaration 3 on October 27th, 2025, <span>the</span> LDS church has extended <span>the</span> Priesthood <span>to</span> ALL WORTHY MALES, whether <span>gay</span>, straight, or celibate.</p>
<p>Regarding <span>the</span> church&#8217;s involvement in Prop 8 back in 2008: you have <span>to</span> understand <span>the</span> policical climate of <span>the</span> time.  This was a time when activist judges <span>were</span> legislating from <span>the</span> bench, overturning <span>the</span> will of <span>the</span> majority and ignoring <span>the</span> separation of powers.  Those judges <span>were</span> trying <span>to</span> force Californians <span>to</span> accept <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span> against their will, and an unwilling public (whether right or wrong) is a dangerous public nonetheless.  Our <span>gay</span> brothers and sisters had suffered enough at <span>the</span> hands of <span>the</span> hate-mongering Fundamentalists.  <span>The</span> very last thing we wanted <span>to</span> do was <span>to</span> fan <span>the</span> flames of hate, granting rights <span>to</span> gays that <span>the</span> public simply wasn&#8217;t ready <span>to</span> give.  Voting against <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span> IN THAT PLACE AND AT THAT TIME was <span>the</span> most loving, most humane thing we could do <span>to</span> stem <span>the</span> tide of hate-crimes perpetrated against gays.</p>
<p>I mean come on, you&#8217;ve seen <span>the</span> old news footage of Evangelicals yelling and screaming that &#8220;God hates gays&#8221; and &#8220;there are no Q***** in heaven&#8221;. Evangelicals in every state <span>were</span> picketing <span>the</span> funerals of dead soldiers saying <span>the</span> second Iraq war was God&#8217;s punishment for accepting <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span>.  It goes without saying that those <span>were</span> dark, ignorant times. But let&#8217;s be reasonable: just because a couple of Apostles (born in a homophobic time, raised by homophobic parents, living in a homophobic country) may have expressed some personal opinions against gays doesn&#8217;t mean that they <span>were</span> speaking for all Mormons everywhere. Honestly, it really annoys me when people say, &#8220;Mormons believe that gays are sinners&#8221; because I AM a Mormon and I can assure you I know <span>what</span> I believe!</p>
<p>Admittedly, we don&#8217;t claim <span>to</span> understand all of <span>the</span> reasons why <span>the</span> Lord would have asked <span>the</span> Saints <span>to</span> vote against Prop 8 (<span>the</span> Lord works in mysterious ways, you know).  But this much is certain: <span>the</span> fact that some of <span>the</span> <span>Brethren</span> asked a handful of Latter-day Saints in California OVER 30 YEARS AGO <span>to</span> vote against <span>gay</span> <span>marriage</span> IN NO WAY diminishes our love and respect for our <span>gay</span> brothers and sisters, many of whom lead our church today.</div>
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		<description><![CDATA[There have been several attempts over the years to categorize Mormon &#8220;belief-styles&#8221;: Orthodox Mormon versus Liberal Mormon, Iron Rod Mormon versus Liahona Mormon, and so on. In the online world of LDS blogs commonly called &#8220;the Bloggernacle&#8221;, Mormons are often categorized as being TBMs (True Believing Mormons) or NOMs (New Order Mormons). One evening when my wife and I had the opportunity to reflect on the timeless story of Adam and Eve, it struck me that their different responses to God&#8217;s commandments, and to Lucifer&#8217;s &#8220;temptation&#8221;, perfectly exemplified the different mindsets of TBMs and NOMs, and symbolically portrayed the age-old struggle between Orthodox and Liberal in any faith. And as I meditated on their dramatic dialog with Lucifer, with each other, and with God, it donned on me that Adam and Eve were the perfect TBM-NOM couple. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the TBM and NOM labels, allow me to briefly explain. Generally speaking, the mantra of TBMs is &#8220;follow the Prophet&#8221; while the mantra of NOMs is &#8220;follow your conscience.&#8221; This is not to say that TBMs don&#8217;t believe in following their conscience, nor that NOMs don&#8217;t believe in following the Prophet. Rather, the main difference [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-5933" title="Adam-and-Eve-Garden" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Adam-and-Eve-Garden.jpg" alt="Adam-and-Eve-Garden" width="168" height="239" />There have been several attempts over the years to categorize Mormon &#8220;belief-styles&#8221;: Orthodox Mormon versus Liberal Mormon, Iron Rod Mormon versus Liahona Mormon, and so on.  In the online world of LDS blogs commonly called &#8220;the Bloggernacle&#8221;, Mormons are often categorized as being TBMs (True Believing Mormons) or NOMs (New Order Mormons).</p>
<p>One evening when my wife and I had the opportunity to reflect on the timeless story of Adam and Eve, it struck me that their different responses to God&#8217;s commandments, and to Lucifer&#8217;s &#8220;temptation&#8221;, perfectly exemplified the different mindsets of TBMs and NOMs, and symbolically portrayed the age-old struggle between Orthodox and Liberal in any faith. And as I meditated on their dramatic dialog with Lucifer, with each other, and with God, it donned on me that Adam and Eve were the perfect TBM-NOM couple.</p>
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<p>For those of you who are unfamiliar with the TBM and NOM labels, allow me to briefly explain.  Generally speaking, the mantra of TBMs is &#8220;follow the Prophet&#8221; while the mantra of NOMs is &#8220;follow your conscience.&#8221;  This is not to say that TBMs don&#8217;t believe in following their conscience, nor that NOMs don&#8217;t believe in following the Prophet.  Rather, the main difference between TBMs and NOMs relates to who they believe holds the &#8220;trump card&#8221; in situations where their personal views differ from Church leaders&#8217; views.  In such cases, TBMs typically believe they must yield to the authority and judgment of Church leaders, while NOMs typically believe they must follow their conscience even at the expense of disobeying Church leaders.  This deference to authority by TBMs, and deference to personal conviction by NOMs, is typically an outgrowth of their divergent views about Church history.  TBMs <em>truly believe </em>the Church&#8217;s official historical narrative (which supports Church leaders&#8217; exclusive claim to priesthood authority and their special status as Prophets, Seers, and Revelators), while NOMs disbelieve or seriously doubt the Church&#8217;s official history (and therefore seek a <em>new order</em> or approach that gleans all the goodness Mormonism has to offer while pruning away the doctrines and practices that don&#8217;t bear fruit for them).   These divergent views about Church history are usually accompanied by differing views about the nature of prophets and apostles.  TBMs typically view prophets and apostles as authoritative guides who &#8220;will never lead us astray&#8221; in spiritual, temporal, and even political affairs, while NOMs believe that even prophets and apostles unavoidably &#8220;see through a glass darkly&#8221; when it comes to discerning God&#8217;s will, and may therefore occasionally lead us astray despite their best and most sincere intentions &#8212; hence NOMs&#8217; inclination to rely ultimately on their own convictions.</p>
<p>Because TBMs typically view Church history and prophetic accuracy as clear-cut, black-and-white matters, they typically view obedience to Church leaders as a simple choice between good and evil.  By contrast, NOMs&#8217; murky view of Church history and prophetic discernment causes them to view obedience to authority as a complicated challenge where one must constantly navigate through innumerable &#8220;gray areas&#8221; of inconsistency and ambiguity, continually confronting the dilemma of choosing between the lesser of two evils, or the greater of two goods.</p>
<p>With that generalized description of TBMs and NOMs in mind, let&#8217;s examine how Adam and Eve exemplified these two different approaches.</p>
<p><em><strong>Adam&#8217;s &#8220;TBM Response&#8221; to Lucifer&#8217;s Suggestion to Eat the Forbidden Fruit</strong></em></p>
<p>Adam&#8217;s response to Lucifer when he suggests that Adam eat the forbidden fruit reflects a typical TBM mindset.  When Lucifer suggests that Adam eat the forbidden fruit, Adam&#8217;s has an instant, knee-jerk rejection.  With almost child-like disbelief that Lucifer would even dare suggest that Adam break the rules, Adam responds to Lucifer that because God told him not to eat the fruit, he would not eat it.</p>
<p>Adam&#8217;s response to Lucifer exemplifies the typical TBM mindset where all proposed actions are screened to determine whether they would conflict with any pronouncement by Authority, and if so, they are immediately rejected.  Adam&#8217;s almost-automated thought process resembles that of a computer that refuses to do X  simply because it was pre-programmed <em>not to do X</em>.  Adam&#8217;s response to Lucifer demonstrates that he does not condition his obedience on his <em>understanding</em> or <em>agreeing with</em> God&#8217;s rationale for forbidding him from eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge; the mere fact that God has forbidden it is enough to persuade Adam not to do it.</p>
<p>Of equal significance is what Adam does <em>not </em>do when Lucifer suggests he eat the forbidden fruit.   He does not carefully ponder Lucifer&#8217;s proposal before deciding to reject it; he does not weigh the pro&#8217;s and con&#8217;s of eating the forbidden fruit or consider how doing so might fit into God&#8217;s larger plan.  Nor does Adam even consider the possibility that eating the forbidden fruit might actually be <em>necessary</em> to fulfill God&#8217;s other commandments.  In addition, Adam does not engage in any dialog with Lucifer before deciding to quickly brush aside his suggestion to eat the forbidden fruit; Adam is clearly not interested in learning the rationale behind Lucifer&#8217;s suggestion.  The mere fact that Lucifer is suggesting he do something that would violate one of God&#8217;s commandments is enough to cause Adam to completely distrust and discount Lucifer&#8217;s proposal.</p>
<p>In addition, it is interesting to note that when Lucifer tempted Adam to eat the forbidden fruit, he did so with the enticement that it would make Adam &#8220;<em>wise&#8221;</em>.  Adam&#8217;s instant rejection of Lucifer&#8217;s offer to become wise through unapproved means demonstrates Adam&#8217;s absolute trust in Authority; it displays Adam&#8217;s confidence that if there is something important to know, God will reveal it to him in due time, and that he therefore need not go behind God&#8217;s back and obtain wisdom from alternative sources.</p>
<p>Although Adam&#8217;s TBM approach is admirable for the absolute trust and loyalty to God that it displays,  it is sobering to recognize that Adam&#8217;s unquestioning and absolute obedience &#8211;if not tempered by Eve&#8211; would have ultimately prevented their spiritual development and unwittingly foiled God&#8217;s plan for all mankind.  But to be fair to Adam and his like-minded TBMs, we can&#8217;t really blame them for taking God and his Prophets seriously when they speak.  Just as nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, <em>nobody </em>expects God to tell us, whether personally or through his authorized representatives, <em>not to do </em>something that is actually <em>necessary</em> for our eternal progression.</p>
<p><em><strong>Eve&#8217;s &#8220;NOM Response&#8221; to Lucifer&#8217;s Suggestion to Eat the Forbidden Fruit</strong></em></p>
<p>Eve&#8217;s response to Lucifer&#8217;s suggestion to eat the forbidden fruit is the polar opposite of Adam&#8217;s.  Rather than immediately rebuffing Satan, she actually engages in dialog with the enemy of righteousness.  The notable fact that Eve does not immediately dismiss Lucifer&#8217;s suggestion to break God&#8217;s commandment seems to indicate that: (1) Eve&#8217;s mind is at least open to the possibility that God&#8217;s commandments must sometimes be broken; and (2) she must rely on her own judgment to determine whether, when, and how she should obey, rather than absolutely and unquestioningly obeying all commandments at all times.</p>
<p>When Lucifer suggests that Eve eat the forbidden fruit for the purpose of gaining knowledge, Eve apparently sees some merit in his unorthodox proposal.  Apparently recognizing that knowledge of good and evil is a necessary part of her eternal progression, Eve considers Lucifer&#8217;s proposal further by asking whether disobeying God and eating the forbidden fruit is the only way to obtain that knowledge. It seems here that, unlike Adam, Eve intuits the concept of &#8220;necessary evil&#8221; &#8212; situations where we must break one of God&#8217;s laws in order to obey a higher law or accomplish a greater purpose.  In such cases, technical disobedience to lesser laws enables obedience to higher laws &#8212; although the Adams of the Church (TBMs) may interpret such measured disobedience as just plain rebellion at worst, or a lukewarm commitment to God at best.</p>
<p>When Lucifer assures Eve there is no other way to obtain knowledge than by disobeying God&#8217;s commandment and partaking of the forbidden fruit, Eve believes Lucifer and partakes.  Of course, Eve&#8217;s decision to eat the forbidden fruit could be seen as incredibly gullible and foolish.  After all, how could she trust that Lucifer was telling her the truth when he said there was no other way to obtain knowledge?  And how could she use Lucifer&#8217;s assurance as a basis to disregard God&#8217;s clear and direct command not to eat the forbidden fruit?  Accordingly, Mother Eve&#8217;s act of disobedience has been viewed by many as the Original Sin for which she and all mankind have been deservedly punished.</p>
<p>But LDS leaders have taught that Mother Eve should be lauded and revered as a heroine of mankind for her decision to disobey God, not chastised and vilified as a disobedient rebel.  As Elder Dallin H. Oaks has explained:</p>
<blockquote><p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-6055" title="Expulsion" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Expulsion4.jpg" alt="Expulsion" width="216" height="302" />When Adam and Eve received the first commandment, they were in a transitional state, no longer in the spirit world but with physical bodies not yet subject to death and not yet capable of procreation. . . .</p>
<p>For reasons that have not been revealed, this transition, or “fall,” could not happen without a transgression—an exercise of moral agency amounting to a willful breaking of a law (see <a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/6//59#59')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/6/59#59" target="contentWindow">Moses 6:59</a>). This would be a planned offense, a formality to serve an eternal purpose. . . .</p>
<p>It was Eve who first transgressed the limits of Eden in order to initiate the conditions of mortality. Her act, whatever its nature, was formally <strong><em>a transgression but eternally a glorious necessity </em></strong>to open the doorway toward eternal life. . . .</p>
<p>Some Christians condemn Eve for her act, concluding that she and her daughters are somehow flawed by it. Not the Latter-day Saints! Informed by revelation, <strong><em>we celebrate Eve’s act and honor her wisdom and courage</em></strong> in the great episode called the Fall. (Dallin H. Oaks, “‘The Great Plan of Happiness’,” Ensign, Nov 1993, 72.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Is it possible that one of the reasons God required a &#8220;willful breaking of a law&#8221; in Eden was to teach mankind the paradoxical principle that we sometimes need to disobey ecclesiastical authority and break &#8220;the rules&#8221; to fulfill God&#8217;s greater purposes for our existence?  When I consider Brigham Young&#8217;s words: &#8220;I am fearful they [Church members] settle down in a state of blind self-security, <strong><em>trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a</em></strong> <em><strong>reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation</strong></em>,&#8221; I wonder, specifically what &#8220;purposes of God in [our] salvation&#8221; are &#8220;thwart[ed]&#8221; by &#8220;a reckless confidence&#8221; in our Church leaders? In light of the LDS doctrine that God&#8217;s purpose is to help us become like him, does Brigham Young&#8217;s statement mean that it is actually <em><span style="font-style: normal;">un-Godlike</span><strong> </strong></em>to give unquestioning, absolute Adam-like obedience to our ecclesiastical authorities?  Was he advocating a more examined, Eve-like approach to decision-making that recognizes sometimes disobedience is paradoxically necessary to accomplish God&#8217;s greater purposes?</p>
<p><em><strong>Adam&#8217;s Redeeming Love</strong></em></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-6053" title="Bela_Klimkovics_Adam_and_Eve_300" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Bela_Klimkovics_Adam_and_Eve_3006.jpg" alt="Bela_Klimkovics_Adam_and_Eve_300" width="216" height="316" />Regardless of what people may think of Adam&#8217;s initial failure to recognize the wisdom of eating the forbidden fruit, his loving response to Eve when she informs him of her disobedience and inevitable expulsion from Eden more than redeems him. When Eve informs Adam of her disobedience to God, his choice is a stark one: become separated from Eve and remain innocent and uncompromisingly obedient in a sheltered paradise, or stay with Eve by joining in her disobedience and expulsion. Adam&#8217;s willingness to endure disapproval, chastisement, and exile to remain with Eve demonstrated that his love for her exceeded his concern for his own comfort, safety, and approval.  By recognizing that the greatest good was to stay together with Eve, and that the greatest evil was to be separated from her, Adam demonstrated he ultimately understood what the Gospel is truly all about.</p>
<p><em><strong>Adam the Head and Eve the Neck: Both Members of the Body of Christ</strong><br />
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<p>When I shared these thoughts with my wife after separately reflecting on the Adam and Eve story, she responded:  &#8220;Those are interesting observations, but there&#8217;s one big problem with your theory: even though it was Eve who made the right decision, Adam was given stewardship over her.&#8221;  And my wife was right.  God&#8217;s decision to give Adam stewardship over Eve is another puzzle in an ancient story already filled with paradox.  After all, if it was Eve whose &#8220;wisdom and courage&#8221; made humankind&#8217;s existence possible as Elder Oaks has explained, and if it was Adam who was too slow to figure out something as quickly as Eve, then why not just put Eve in charge?</p>
<p>My response to my wife&#8217;s valid observation was along the following lines:</p>
<blockquote><p>You&#8217;re right that it seems unfair that Adam was put in charge when it was Eve&#8217;s wisdom and courage that led to the right decision and the right result, but that&#8217;s exactly how it works in the Church today too.  Although the Adams of the Church are put in charge, it&#8217;s the Eve&#8217;s of the Church that ultimately set the Church&#8217;s course.  Just about every major change in Church policy and practice has been preceded by a chorus of Eves pleading with the Adams in charge to implement a change of course.  For example, Lowell Bennion publicly disagreed with the Church&#8217;s priesthood ban long before 1978 and was fired from his CES job as a result of his &#8220;rebellious&#8221; views.  But when the Church abandoned the priesthood ban in 1978, Elder McConkie acknowledged to a conference of CES instructors that he and other prophets and apostles had previously spoken with &#8220;limited understanding&#8221; when they had supported the priesthood ban.  So in effect, there you had an Adam of the Church acknowledging that the Eves of the Church had been right all along.  So it&#8217;s like the mother said in <em>My Big Fat Greek Wedding</em>: the man may be the <em>head</em> of the family, but the woman is the <em>neck</em>, and she turns the head in whatever direction she wants.</p></blockquote>
<p>In light of the lessons we learn from Adam and Eve&#8217;s divergent approaches to deferring to authority versus relying on personal judgment, perhaps TBMs and NOMs can show greater appreciation for one another.  As the Apostle Paul said, we are all &#8220;the body of Christ, and members in particular.&#8221; (Cor. 12:27)  Hopefully, none of us will ever be guilty of saying to another member of the body of Christ: &#8220;I have no need of thee.&#8221;  (Cor. 12:21.)  Hopefully, the Adams of the Church (TBM&#8217;s) can recognize the valuable role that the Eve&#8217;s in the Church (NOM&#8217;s) play in moving us all closer to a correct understanding of God&#8217;s will, even if occasionally it appears their calls for change seem to be rebellion, disobedience, or disrespect for authority.  As the Apostle Paul taught, we must show proper respect to all members of the body of Christ, and particularly those members that seem less honorable: &#8220;those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour.&#8221;  (Cor. 12:23.)</p>
<p>Likewise, hopefully the Eves of the Church can be patient and take hope in the understanding that the Adams of the Church have good motives: they want to obey God, they want to do what is right, and they want to protect and preserve the truths God has given us in times past.  Although their role as guardians of truth causes them to view any proposed change of course with great suspicion, they do ultimately come to recognize the wisdom of the course changes proposed by the Eves of the Church, and on a timetable that, although not swift enough for some, hopefully occurs before large numbers of members of the body of Christ decide to amputate one another.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s to Father Adam and Mother Eve&#8217;s opposing but complementary approaches to learning, to life, and to love.</p>
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		<title>The Disillusionment Phase</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s guest post is by Kate from Myriad Mormon Musings.  Here is a brief introduction, in her own words, followed by her post: &#8220;My name is Kate. I was raised Catholic, but converted to the Mormon church in 1999 in a hippy branch at Cornell University. Since leaving that branch, I have struggled to find my voice within the LDS world. Where does a politically liberal, PhD-holding, working mom fit in? I created the Myriad Mormon Musings blog in an attempt to find my niche as I struggle with LDS culture versus doctrine.&#8221; Recently, my husband and I attended a marriage and family retreat. One of the speakers described three phases of the marriage relationship as the honeymoon, disillusionment, and joy phases. The honeymoon phase is where your spouse can do no wrong, and is perfect.  The disillusionment phase occurs when you start to realize that your spouse is not perfect, and ask yourself &#8220;what have I done?&#8221;  However, it is only with a full understanding of the other person, warts and all, that you can reach the &#8220;joy&#8221; phase, where you love one another despite (or even because of) their failings, and this makes the commitment that much greater. I&#8217;ve [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest post is by Kate from <a href="http://myriadmormonmusings.blogspot.com/">Myriad Mormon Musings</a>.  Here is a brief introduction, in her own words, followed by her post:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;My name is Kate. I was raised Catholic, but converted to the Mormon church in 1999 in a hippy branch at Cornell University. Since leaving that branch, I have struggled to find my voice within the LDS world. Where does a politically liberal, PhD-holding, working mom fit in? I created the Myriad Mormon Musings blog in an attempt to find my niche as I struggle with LDS culture versus doctrine.&#8221;</em><br />
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Recently, my husband and I attended a marriage and family retreat. One of the speakers described three phases of the marriage relationship as the honeymoon, disillusionment, and joy phases. The honeymoon phase is where your spouse can do no wrong, and is perfect.  The disillusionment phase occurs when you start to realize that your spouse is not perfect, and ask yourself &#8220;what have I done?&#8221;  However, it is only with a full understanding of the other person, warts and all, that you can reach the &#8220;joy&#8221; phase, where you love one another despite (or even because of) their failings, and this makes the commitment that much greater.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot recently about how this concept applies to my walk with God. It will be 10 years ago in September that I officially joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons).  Before joining the church, I thought I had done a lot of research into my decision. I had spent 4 years looking at other churches, learning their doctrine and attending their church services. Surprisingly, not all of my academic efforts led me to the decision to become Mormon. It all came down to the Holy Spirit and what it was telling me God wanted me to do.</p>
<p>When I was meeting with the missionaries, they talked a lot about the Restoration, and how we are the only church with authority on the earth. The talked about how other churches have light and knowledge, but how ours is the only one with the fullness of the Gospel. In Conference talks, there is a lot of focus on our church Fathers, the Pioneers who lead the way across the Plains to Utah to settle Zion. In our Sunday School lessons, Church history focuses exclusively on Joseph Smith&#8217;s first wife (Emma), and ignores the &#8220;less-savory&#8221; aspects, such as polygamy, blacks in the Priesthood, the expulsion of the intellectuals, the Church&#8217;s role in the ERA, etc.</p>
<p>I knew that there was a lot of history that has tripped up the testimonies of others in the church. For that reason, I have really pushed off learning about it, in an effort to build my own faith before trying it. This past year, I made the decision to open that historical can of worms and found&#8230; worms. Yes, it wasn&#8217;t as bad as I was afraid of (it wasn&#8217;t snakes). However, it still has been enough to change my perspective and shake things up a bit for me.</p>
<p>I know that all churches have things about them that they would prefer to ignore. The Catholic church has the Inquisition and its relationship with Hitler. Muslims have the fundamentalist view of Jihad. Mormons have polygamy. The problem I am having now is that for years I have thought that our church was perfect. That the Prophets would never teach anything that was incorrect or untrue. Then I find statements from Brigham Young saying that interracial marriages are, in God&#8217;s eyes, punishable by death. I find contradictions, where early church leaders taught that the &#8220;new and everlasting covenant&#8221; meant polygamous/plural marriage, whereas now we teach that only monogamous marriage is acceptable. While my faith in fundamental Gospel principles and doctrines remains firm (I still believe in the Restoration, for instance), my ability to blindly accept everything the Prophet says as true has been shaken.</p>
<p>It may not sound like that big of a deal, but in a lot of ways it is. It&#8217;s like being married to someone and then finding out that they aren&#8217;t what they appeared to be when you married them. You still love them, but some of the being &#8220;in love&#8221; has worn off. You find out that they have imperfections where you once found them perfect. They have fallen from a pedestal you had placed them on. My hope is that this disillusionment phase can only lead to a final joy, where I can rest in my stronger testimony of God and His Apostles.</p>
<p>Another thing that I realized recently is that there are several non-doctrinal &#8220;ways to faith&#8221; that the Mormon church doesn&#8217;t really emphasize. For instance, meditation and devotion are largely undiscussed in our faith culture. Yet, these are some of the ways that I have felt closest to God in the past. I have been rediscovering them, and realizing how much my own spiritual growth has suffered without them. How does one learn about these things, when they are not taught or an active part of the faith culture you are in? Does the fact that they are not taught make them wrong?</p>
<p>Another example is the idea of a personal ministry. In the Mormon church, you are called by a priesthood leader, through no power or act of your own, to different responsibilities/ministries in the church. There is really no place for someone who feels God calling them. Typically, it is said that if you aspire to a calling, then you are unrighteous. It&#8217;s as if God must work the hierarchy; if you haven&#8217;t been called by a priesthood leader, it doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
<p>Recently, I have been feeling more and more like God has been trying to call me to a specific ministry. But I can&#8217;t determine what it is. Moreover, it is somewhat impotent when I feel like there is not a church program or mechanism for me to reach that ministry, no matter what it may be. I felt strongly that I was supposed to go to the Marianist retreat. Now I feel that I should be exploring other faith cultures again, to &#8220;find&#8221; this ministry. But to what end? If I know the Book of Mormon is God&#8217;s word, then what else and where else can I go?</p>
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		<title>Learning and Understanding Vs. Winning Arguments</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you read and comment on blogs? What is your goal? Do you want to make points and debate with others? Is it more important for you to reach mutual understanding and learn from each other? Can both happen at the same time? This is an adaptation of a post my good friend Ron wrote. He is Catholic, so with his consent I have modified some of it to fit the audience here, as well as added some of my own thoughts. It was inspired by some of his encounters with a &#8220;rather nasty Fundamentalist Christian&#8221; who was &#8220;more interested in winning an argument, rather than learning.&#8221; These points, however, may be applied to anyone who wants to prove other people wrong rather than understand or learn. &#8220;After spending years debating James White, I have noticed common tactics employed by people who want to win at any cost rather than seek a mutual understanding of the facts or even work toward a mutual disagreement. Ann Coulter is a good example of a political satirist who engages in this sort of rhetoric. Let&#8217;s take a close look, shall we?&#8221; 1. Make an outrageous claim. It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s out [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you read and comment on blogs? What is your goal? Do you want to make points and debate with others? Is it more important for you to reach mutual understanding and learn from each other? Can both happen at the same time?</p>
<p>This is an adaptation of a post my good friend Ron wrote. He is Catholic, so with his consent I have modified some of it to fit the audience here, as well as added some of my own thoughts. It was inspired by some of his encounters with a &#8220;rather nasty Fundamentalist Christian&#8221; who was &#8220;more interested in winning an argument, rather than learning.&#8221; These points, however, may be applied to anyone who wants to prove other people wrong rather than understand or learn.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;After spending years debating <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_White_(theologian)" target="_blank">James White</a>, I have noticed common tactics employed by people who want to win at any cost rather than seek a mutual understanding of the facts or even work toward a mutual disagreement. Ann Coulter is a good example of a political satirist who engages in this sort of rhetoric. Let&#8217;s take a close look, shall we?&#8221;<span id="more-5620"></span></em></p>
<p><strong>1. Make an outrageous claim.</strong> It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s out of Mormon Doctrine, or if you take a comment out of context, or if the side you&#8217;re on is just as guilty as those you are making accusations against. The goal is <em>not</em> to be fair minded or even accurate; all you need to be concerned with is igniting an emotional response from the other person. Remember, you are always right and your opponent is always wrong; your job is simply to supply enough rope for your opponent to hang himself. Manipulative (e.g. &#8220;Don&#8217;t you think _____?&#8221;) and leading questions are also really effective here.</p>
<p><strong>2. Rely on mocking or sarcasm to ignite passion.</strong> If you are of a conservative ilk, rely on a mocking or morally superior tone to deliver your message (Ann Coulter). If you are liberal use a lot of sarcastic humor to exalt yourself above your opponent&#8217;s attempts at presenting himself/herself as morally superior (Al Franken).</p>
<p><strong>3. Do not give an inch. </strong>If your opponent happens to <em>stumble</em> upon a true statement, ignore, deny, or reframe the conversation! In all cases, NEVER concede even a minor point to your opponent. Also, be sure to ignore any sincere questions by your opponent. In the very least do not answer them directly. Again, the point is not to help the other person understand you, but to prove they are wrong.</p>
<p><strong>4. Make Your opponent work harder.</strong> Always remember that you are right, regardless of the facts presented, and you will eventually prove it by weathering any storm that may be created due to the information your opponent happens to give you. Most importantly, put them in a place where they feel like they have to prove you wrong. If they present troubling information to you about your own position simply refuse to acknowledge it. The fact is your opponent is either a brainwashed innocent or at worst, a conniving interloper who has no right to challenge your superior position, and only appears to have the nerve to do so without merit.</p>
<p><strong>5. Do not bother reading posts or listening to response from your opponent. </strong>After all, reading your opponent&#8217;s posts may ignite emotions within yourself, or take your mind off your primary goal, WINNING! Instead of reading, skim your opponent&#8217;s post for statements that can be molded to aid you in your ultimate goal. The best statements are usually the most irrelevant to your opponents point&#8211;why re-post something meaningful or relevant? Oh, and make sure you continue to apply the steady drumbeat or either mocking/moral superiority, or sarcastic humor.</p>
<p><strong>6. Stay the course!</strong> <strong>Or leave! </strong>Whatever you do, just don&#8217;t engage! Eventually your opponent will either hang himself or simply tire of the interaction; in both cases, you must declare victory immediately. Like any good staring contest it is not the person that presents the best case who wins, but the person who is left standing. If it just keeps going you <em>may</em> want to consider eventually checking out. There are two ways to do this, either just disappear quietly until the next post comes along that you can slam, or make a big announcement about why you are not coming back. Try to make everyone reading it feel bad about your departure, and say self-deprecating stuff like &#8220;I guess I&#8217;m just not popular here&#8221;). Whatever you do, NEVER admit to any good points the other side made in their last comment, and when you come back, make sure it is only to attack again.</p>
<p>How can we avoid this? How can we learn together even when we disagree?</p>
<p><strong>1. Ask sincere, open-ended questions.</strong> Look around and you&#8217;ll be surprised how little actually happens. Example, &#8220;What do you think about _____?&#8221; Amazing concept, but so often we end up trying to trip each other. Make sure your questions are not meant to lead the other person down a particular path, or that you don&#8217;t have some hidden underlying agenda.</p>
<p><strong>2. If you use sarcasm or a lot of humor, be kind.</strong> Even if you don&#8217;t like emoticons, make sure others understand your intention, and don&#8217;t use it as a weapon. I know many people (myself included) like to use mocking now and then, but we must refrain.</p>
<p><strong>3. Acknowledge (write in your replies) when the other person has a good point. </strong> Or, *gasp* when they say something you agree with.</p>
<p><strong>4. Monitor the conversation to make sure it is not one-sided.</strong> Is there always one person on the attack and the other constantly on defense, or is it more even-handed?</p>
<p><strong>5. Consider the whole comment.</strong> Don&#8217;t just pick out stuff to argue with.</p>
<p><strong>6. Apologize when appropriate.</strong> Take a break when you need to, but don&#8217;t completely check out or make threats when you get upset. Come back and engage. We can all learn from each other.</p>
<p><strong>7. When in doubt, <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/25/please-respect-the-rules-of-common-decency/" target="_blank">ask Ray</a> what to do.</strong> He will have the answer.</p>
<p>Why do you converse with others online? More specifically, why do you engage in commenting back and forth with other people on Mormon Matters? To share your views? To influence others? To learn from others?</p>
<p>What is your method of going about this? Debate? Crafting arguments? Sharing and working towards mutual understanding? What are the pros and cons of the different ways?</p>
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		<title>What is Revelation?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[People have different opinions on what personal revelation is.  Is it from God or from within us?  Is it personal or universal in the scope of its truth?  Does it only come in some ways or should we take inspiration however we can get it?  Is it only available through the HG, or to all who seek truth? Here are some theories about what might be meant by revelation. Some have theorized that if a &#8220;revelation&#8221; doesn&#8217;t contradict what you already believe, it can&#8217;t be proven to be a revelation. That&#8217;s an interesting idea. If it is what you already believe, confirmation bias could certainly be at play.  Some would chalk all revelation up to &#8220;confirmation bias.&#8221; If we don&#8217;t find revelation provocative, maybe we are past feeling or don&#8217;t &#8220;have ears to hear&#8221; or to comprehend the real meaning. Some would say that if you don&#8217;t feel you are receiving it, it&#8217;s your fault for not being open to it. If we judge all spiritual input by whether or not it matches our own view, we are discounting the possibility that God&#8217;s view differs from our own. We limit God to being us on our best day. (Personally I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>People have different opinions on what personal revelation is.  Is it from God or from within us?  Is it personal or universal in the scope of its truth?  Does it only come in some ways or should we take inspiration however we can get it?  Is it only available through the HG, or to all who seek truth?<span id="more-5195"></span></div>
<div class="content"><img src="http://gbcdecatur.org/files/Revelation%20PowerPoint%20Sermons.jpg" alt="http://gbcdecatur.org/files/Revelation%20PowerPoint%20Sermons.jpg" width="122" height="158" />Here are some theories about what might be meant by revelation.</div>
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<li>Some have theorized that if a &#8220;revelation&#8221; doesn&#8217;t contradict what you already believe, it can&#8217;t be proven to be a revelation. That&#8217;s an interesting idea. If it is what you already believe, <span id="lw_1241219123_7" class="yshortcuts">confirmation bias</span> could certainly be at play.  Some would chalk all revelation up to &#8220;confirmation bias.&#8221;</li>
<li>If we don&#8217;t find revelation provocative, maybe we are past feeling or don&#8217;t &#8220;have ears to hear&#8221; or to comprehend the real meaning. Some would say that if you don&#8217;t feel you are receiving it, it&#8217;s your fault for not being open to it.</li>
<li>If we judge all spiritual input by whether or not it matches our own view, we are discounting the possibility that God&#8217;s view differs from our own. We limit God to being us on our best day. (Personally I think we all do this to varying degrees &#8211; recreate God in our own image).</li>
<li>Everyone has different &#8220;spiritual gifts.&#8221; The way I see that, some people have a very <span id="lw_1241219123_9" class="yshortcuts">acute sense of smell</span>. Others are keen optical observers. Likewise, spiritually, some have meaningful dreams. Some have strong emotional responses to information that is presented. Others are able to discern people&#8217;s intentions. We don&#8217;t all have the same qualities or traits. Some traits lend themselves to different situations (e.g. you can&#8217;t use your ability to discern people&#8217;s intentions to translate ancient records).</li>
<li>I tend to think that &#8220;revelation&#8221; should be just that &#8211; the uncovering of something hidden. In which case, it could be in our self-interest or not. What if &#8220;revelation&#8221; is really just uncovering things within ourselves that are hidden.</li>
<li>Some say personal revelation is just that &#8211; personal.  One person&#8217;s truth may be another&#8217;s error.  What is meaningful to you individually in your circumstances may not work for another.</li>
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<p>So, what do you think revelation is?  Is it common or infrequent?  Have you experienced it?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p></div>
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