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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;The Blob&#8221; was one of those horror movies from the 1950&#8242;s that I, as a young boy, found right on the boundary of &#8220;too scary to watch&#8221;. The blob that consumed everything you saw as safe was scary, to be sure, but at least, at the end, a young Steve McQueen could save the day.  (The scariest movie, because of its utter hopelessness, was &#8220;On the Beach&#8221;.) And so the &#8220;blob has come down to us as something that is scary only to the very young. A younger Christianity once found science very scary &#8212; although history shows the conflict to be a little less about science versus religion, and a little more about intra-church politics than we usually notice. But eventually, much of the Christian world reached a peace treaty with the secular world based on the notion of non-overlapping magisteria. Religion has its realm; science has another. Peace is kept by neither side jostling the other. However, many people do not realize just how much territory has been ”occupied” since Galileo first stood under the judgment of the church centuries ago.  They are still debating evolution when the science, like the 1950′s horror monster, has already enveloped them and moved [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Blob&#8221; was one of those horror movies from the 1950&#8242;s that I, as a young boy, found right on the boundary of &#8220;too scary to watch&#8221;. The blob that consumed everything you saw as safe was scary, to be sure, but at least, at the end, a young Steve McQueen could save the day.  (The scariest movie, because of its utter hopelessness, was &#8220;On the Beach&#8221;.) And so the &#8220;blob has come down to us as something that is scary only to the very young.</p>
<p>A younger Christianity once found science very scary &#8212; although history shows the conflict to be a little less about science versus religion, and a little more about intra-church politics than we usually notice. But eventually, much of the Christian world reached a peace treaty with the secular world based on the notion of <em>non-overlapping magisteria</em>. Religion has its realm; science has another. Peace is kept by neither side jostling the other.</p>
<p>However, many people do not realize just how much territory has been ”occupied” since Galileo first stood under the judgment of the church centuries ago.  They are still debating evolution when the science, like the 1950′s horror monster, has already enveloped them and moved on.</p>
<p>As science acquires the capacity to explain more and more that we once considered miraculous — as it asserts the <em>authority</em> to enter what had once been ceded as the magisterium of the church — what <em>responsibility</em> does it have to maintain rigorous scientific standards in drawing conclusions about phenomena in the newly “occupied” territories? How does science envelop religion while still being respectful of religion, and <em>faithful</em> (irony fully intended) to science?</p>
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<p>The following paragraphs describe some things that come out of simple extrapolation of basic Western science.  Simply an exercise in consciousness-raising about consciousness when you look at science on time scales well within our technological imaginings, let alone out into deep time where all of human history looks like the lifespan of a mayfly. These are among the miracles that science asserts the capacity (now or eventually) to explain. So what does science owe religion? And what does science owe science?</p>
<p><strong><em>CONTROLLED EVOLUTION</em></strong></p>
<p>Within the lifetime of Charles Darwin, his half-cousin, Sir Francis Galton put forward the notion of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics"> eugenics</a> as an approach to improving humanity as a whole by selectively encouraging breeding of people felt to have desirable traits and discouraging breeding by people with undesirable traits. Of course, Galton did not originate the practice of “negative eugenics” — societies have been culling the weak in times of stress to preserve resources for the group as a whole for thousands of years. But eugenics quickly gained the support of some of the most famous and progressive personalities in American and British society early in the 2oth Century.</p>
<p>After the horrors of Hitler’s Germany, eugenics seemed to have died. However, the ethical issues never seem to be far away and underlie a whole set of concerns reemerging in modern medicine as possibilities of cloning, stem cell research, or designer babies force us to confront the growing power of biotechnology to probe and, sooner, than we might have thought, take control of the expression of our own genetic heritage.</p>
<p>I don’t know whether this power will be good or bad; I suspect learning to use new powers are always part of growing up as moral beings. My point, however, is that the growing intensity of the debate simply shows how near the powers are to becoming scientific reality. We’re talking about the development of significant genetic modifications perhaps on the time frame it took to go from the Wright brothers to Mars landers.</p>
<p>This would give us powers to cure many diseases and create many new material goods – which is why so much money is being poured into biotechnology — but what might it also create? Would we want to increase our average IQ by 20%? Make our bodies age more slowly? Change our bodily forms to more closely match cultural sexual ideals? Make ourselves more accepting of our cultural norms and belief systems? Those are all things we’ve already tried to produce in our children <em>without</em> conscious control of our genetics. Even questions about the meaning of life — or at least why we ask questions about the meaning of life that we choose to ask — can rapidly fall within a controlled evolution paradigm.</p>
<p><strong><em>CYBERLIFE</em></strong></p>
<p>Cyberlife is another element that is on the science horizon, and that is forcing us to think anew about what it means to be “alive”. Perhaps it may someday force us to ask what it means to be self-aware. We already all use “anti-viral” software to protect ourselves from programming code that replicates and spreads. More interestingly, we have discovered that mimicking evolution <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_landscape#Fitness_landscapes_in_evolutionary_optimization"> can be a highly efficient way of optimizing</a> computer programs to solve some extraordinarily complex problems.</p>
<p>Finding ways to create machines that can achieve goals in the real world — to create <a href="http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/whatisai/whatisai.html"> artificial intelligence</a> &#8212; at a level comparable to humans has been an active area of science since the 1950′s. In some ways it has been enormously successful. In other ways it has been enormously disappointing. The mechanisms that underlie some human problem solving play to the enormous speed and memory advantages of computers, but some of the methods used by our minds don’t appear to rely on those strengths at all. For example, as the artificial intelligence link above points out, computers are great at playing chess, but inferior at playing “go”, despite vast effort at programming computers to play the latter game.</p>
<p>This suggests an approach of increasingly improving life by matching machine intelligence with human intelligence — although it will cost a lot more than the $6 million man of the TV show — to get the best of both types of intelligence. We already have myoelectric prosthesis, in which signals from residual nerve clusters in the human body are sensed by electrodes and used to more naturally control the movement of artificial limbs. What the human brain might be able to control remotely by mind with a few centuries (decades?) of technological development — power systems, transportation systems, etc. — is clearly a question subject to scientific exploration.</p>
<p><strong><em>LONG-LIVED TECHNOLOGY</em></strong></p>
<p>The modern species of humanity has been around on the order of 100,000 years, according to the best fossil and mitochondrial DNA evidence. Civilizations based on agriculture rather than nomadic hunter-gatherer methods have been around on the order of 10,000 years. Civilizations based on rudimentary scientific observation beyond that necessary for agriculture have been around longer than, but on the order of, 1000 years. The industrial revolution began on the order of 100 years ago.</p>
<p>Human technological capabilities do seem to be accelerating. But how far? What if technological civilization lasts 1000 years more? Ten thousand years more? One million years? If our capabilities are god-like to our ancestors living at the end of the last ice age, would we even be able to relate to the capabilities of our descendents 1,000.000 years from now? Would we even recognize them as our descendents?</p>
<p>And what about civilizations elsewhere that got millions of years of a head start on us? The search for such civilizations has itself been a matter of science since at least the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation"> Green Bank Conference</a> in 1960. There are even classification systems for the level of technology in such civilizations, at least <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale"> one of which extrapolates from growth</a> in energy consumption the emergence of a galaxy-wide human civilization in as little additional time as the time humanity has already been on earth &#8212; a time that is a geological nothing.</p>
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<p>Again, my point in the above discussion is that these are <strong>all</strong> issues that science already considers within the realm of scientific inquiry. They all can and do generate papers and presentations in peer-reviewed journals and conferences. And I haven’t even touched any of the exotic ideas that scientists are suggesting as working hypotheses to explain gaps we <em>know</em> we do not understand!</p>
<p>The above topics are simply extrapolations of things we think we do know. Their uncertainty is so large that they have little or no predictive value. They permit earth to be everything from the most advanced civilization currently alive in the galaxy to the equivalent of a preserve for primitive wildlife. But the issues are clearly within the realm of science as scientists (in some disciplines, at least) <em>already</em> practice it.</p>
<p><strong>And I have long since crossed the border defined between the natural and the supernatural, between the scientific and the philosophical or theological, when the concept of non-overlapping magisteria was defined in the West.</strong></p>
<p>So I am suggesting that the boundary between science and religion can no longer be a matter of the phenomena being described themselves. It isn’t about whether or not we consider the meaning of facts versus the nature of facts either. As I’ve noted above, science is already probing scientifically the “meaning of meaning” as it probes the mysteries of the human brain and infers things about the nature of the human mind. It isn’t even about repeatability, since evolution and history themselves are sciences, yet we are nowhere close to hoping to repeat them even in simulations.</p>
<p>But as it contemplates its new responsibilities over what once was the realm of religion, science has a responsibility to itself not to fall into the same logical trap it claims creationists fall into: “If hypothesis X (evolution) can not explain everything, than hypothesis Y (creationism) need not yet explain anything, no matter how large the holes in hypothesis Y in absolute terms.” The same logical trap exists when X is religious, and Y is secular instead.</p>
<p>Science cannot start accepting sloppy evidence for its own explanations of the “miraculous”, i.e., evidence so sloppy it would not accept the evidence in any other field of its own endeavors.</p>
<p>In fiction, we can have Sherlock Holmes say, “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains — however improbable — must be the truth.” I would suggest that for science to be true to its own methods, even when dealing with the “miraculous”, it must say something else.  “When you have eliminated the impossible, and whatever remains is still highly improbable, it is <em>most probable</em> that you have not yet imagined the truth.”</p>
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		<title>Duality and Divinity</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In both theology and religion, there is a concept called “dualism”, which — to avoid confusion later — I’ll note now has nothing much to do with “duality” as understood within modern physics.  The former concept involves the notion that there are two aspects of reality which may either be diametrically opposed, mutually inconsistent, balanced or unbalanced, or even complementary — but always conceptually separable such that they refer to two different things. Good or evil.  Material or immaterial.  Mind or matter.  Spiritual or physical. Even male or female. As this article from the Jewish Virtual Library describes, many of these “dualism” classifications have been used as the bases of philosophy and religions since primitive times. They seem to constantly reemerge after being subordinated to religious and philosophical principles of “monism” (oneness or wholeness). Duality instead has nothing to do with two different aspects of reality.  In contrast, it focuses on recognizing that a single, inseparable “monist” reality does almost always have two (or more) entirely separable “dual” descriptions.  It is the descriptions of reality that are dual — like two languages used to describe the same concept — and not the reality itself. In a way, duality was the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In both theology and religion, there is a concept called “dualism”, which — to avoid confusion later — I’ll note now has nothing much to do with “duality” as understood within modern physics.  The former concept involves the notion that there are two aspects of reality which may either be diametrically opposed, mutually inconsistent, balanced or unbalanced, or even complementary — but always conceptually separable such that they refer to two <em>different</em> things.</p>
<p>Good or evil.  Material or immaterial.  Mind or matter.  Spiritual or physical. Even male or female. As this article from the <a href="http://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0006_0_05429.html"> Jewish Virtual Library</a> describes, many of these “dualism” classifications have been used as the bases of philosophy and religions since primitive times. They seem to constantly reemerge after being subordinated to religious and philosophical principles of “monism” (oneness or wholeness).</p>
<p>Duality instead has nothing to do with two different aspects of reality.  In contrast, it focuses on recognizing that a single, inseparable “monist” reality does almost always have two (or more) entirely separable “dual” descriptions.  It is the descriptions of reality that are dual — like two languages used to describe the same concept — and not the reality itself.</p>
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<p>In a way, duality was the key to the anomaly that sparked the entire quantum revolution in physics at the beginning of the 1900′s.  Light had been understood as electromagnetic waves since the work of James Maxwell, published in 1864.  The existence of such waves was a mathematically required consequence of the basic laws of electricity and magnetism that had been easily verified in the laboratory.</p>
<p>But as the 20th Century dawned, observations about light were beginning to pile up that could not be explained by any wave model.  Instead, depending <span style="text-decoration: underline">only</span> on the question an experiment tested, light seemed to betray either wave-like or particle-like behavior. Look for wave properties, and the experiment would find them; look for particle properties, and the experiment would find them instead. Even notions of everyday common sense would break down to maintain the insistence on light being both wave and particle.</p>
<p>Worse, when the wave experiments grew sophisticated enough to be applied to good-old-rock-solid matter, matter showed exactly the same stubborn insistence on being both particle and wave-like, too.  Everything in the material world turned out to exhibit the properties of these seemingly contradictory physical models.  Reality could not be so neatly compartmentalized according to the mental constructs humanity had available.</p>
<p>For a time, there was even a trendy word to describe things — “wavacle” — until people realized that giving something a new name didn’t mean we understood it any better.  Quantum mechanics, the science that developed out of these early shocks to our conceptual system, has only one reality.  But it can be described in at least two mathematical languages: the mathematical language of waves, and the mathematical language of “matrices”.</p>
<p>The languages were proven to be translatable from one to another before 1930, and so they must always make <em>exactly</em> the same predictions.  But the value in the notion of duality is that — just as some things are easy to say in German that are extraordinarily difficult to say in Japanese, and vice versa — the difficulty in making predictions in one description is easy for some situations, yet impossibly hard in the other description.  And in some other situation, the utility of the two descriptions is completely reversed.  Scientists needed two conceptually different languages to describe this one reality in which we live.</p>
<p>New examples of duality showed up with increasing frequency as people began to appreciate the explanatory power of the approach.  Some of the dualities that have been recognized are even more bizarre than the wave-particle duality.</p>
<p>Many of today’s best candidate theories for “quantum gravity” that would unite relativity and quantum mechanics into a “theory of everything” are collectively known as “string theory”.  They often have a property called “T-duality”.  In particular, T-dual theories predict that a universe, such as ours appears to be – of vast extent and expanding in size – is absolutely indistinguishable from an infinitesimally small universe which is shrinking toward nothingness. The laws of physics would dictate that exactly the same electrical and gravitational signals would enter our brains in either case.</p>
<p>If these string theories are correct, large and small are alternative languages to describe the same reality.  In fact, for all we can tell, we could all be living in an ultramicroscopic reality right now, with our brains arbitrarily choosing to interpret things so that the universe appears infinite in extent.</p>
<p>Then there’s the “holographic principle”. This idea seems to suggest that there are deep connections between modern information theory — the science that underlies telecommunications, including the internet — and the structure of spacetime itself. In addition to the way we describe reality, there appears to be an entirely <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=sidebar-the-holographic-p"> equivalent way to describe it</a> using one less spatial dimension. There are even reports that an unexpected effect predicted by the second description has been seen in equipment accidentally optimized for its detection.</p>
<p>So duality is not going away from physics anytime soon, regardless of what the philosophers and theologians have to say about monism versus dualism. Might it be fruitful for the theologians to consider what the concept of duality has to add to their debate?</p>
<p>In a way, duality as the existence of multiple descriptions of a single reality, Jesus Christ – “fully man, yet fully God” — is almost too obvious within Christian history. Indeed, the connection between the Father and the Son, with the Holy Ghost thrown in as a third description for good measure, is another application ripe for exploration.</p>
<p>However, what I’d like to explore in this and future posts is the question of whether and where we can replace the notion of dualism between the physical and spiritual in Restoration theology with the notion of duality, so that we can begin to conceptualize the physical and spiritual realms not as separate arenas of reality, but as two translatable descriptions of a single all-encompassing reality.</p>
<p>If the physical and spiritual are governed by principles of duality, not dualism, then things we do on earth may not just affect what happens in heaven, they may actually be the things that happen in heaven, and vice versa.</p>
<p>For example, in LDS theology, certain significant acts are directly sealed &#8212; made spiritually real and binding &#8212; through covenants marked by rites, while in CofChrist theology, ordinances are viewed as helps in the physical realm for spiritual purposes. But what if reality is put together to be more than these options? What if every moment of life is inherently sealed into the spiritual realm? If every relationship we enhance here is enhanced there. If every relationship we marginalize here is <em>automatically</em> diminished there as surely as gravity drags us toward the earth?</p>
<p>And what, from the other perspective, if the spiritual is acting as well in an ever present way, to seal the purposes of God into the physical realm?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I mentioned previously, I really enjoyed the Strangite session of the Mormon History Association meetings a few weeks ago.  Vickie Speek, John Hamer, and Mike Karpowicz gave some fascinating presentations on this little known group.  Following the session, they answered additional questions, and I thought it would be interesting to provide a transcript of the Q&#38;A session.  But before I get into the transcript, I should tell you a brief history of the Strangite Church. James Strang, prophet of the Strangite Church James Strang was baptized into the church just a few months before Joseph Smith was killed in 1844.  He said he had a letter from Joseph proclaiming that Strang was to lead the church.  The letter is currently owned by Yale University; in the past few decades, they have declared Joseph Smith&#8217;s signature on the letter a forgery. Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader.  His church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size.  They had some well known converts too:  Martin Harris, William Smith (Joseph&#8217;s brother), William Cowdery (Oliver&#8217;s father), William Marks (stake president in Nauvoo), William [...]]]></description>
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<p>As <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/30/day-3-at-mha/">I mentioned previously</a>, I really enjoyed the Strangite session of the Mormon History Association meetings a few weeks ago.  Vickie Speek, John Hamer, and Mike Karpowicz gave some fascinating presentations on this little known group.  Following the session, they answered additional questions, and I thought it would be interesting to provide a transcript of the Q&amp;A session.  But before I get into the transcript, I should tell you a brief history of the Strangite Church.</p>
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<p><span id="more-12051"></span>James Strang was baptized into the church just a few months before Joseph Smith was killed in 1844.  He said he had a letter from Joseph proclaiming that Strang was to lead the church.  The letter is currently owned by Yale University; in the past few decades, they have declared Joseph Smith&#8217;s signature on the letter a forgery.</p>
<p>Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader.  <img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />His church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size.  They had some well known converts too:  Martin Harris, William Smith (Joseph&#8217;s brother), William Cowdery (Oliver&#8217;s father), William Marks (stake president in Nauvoo), William McLellin (former apostle), Hiram Page, and some of the Whitmer brothers.</p>
<p>Strang claimed an angel visited him, appointing him as prophet.  As part of his calling, he translated the Brass Plates into a book of scripture called &#8220;The Book of the Law of the Lord&#8221; written by Moses, and in Laban&#8217;s possession.  Originally against polygamy, Strang translated the book (first published in 1851), which said polygamy was a godly commandment.</p>
<p>Strang originally moved his followers to Voree, Wisconsin, and then received another revelation to move to Beaver Island, Michigan.  He crowned himself king, and was assassinated there by disgruntled followers.  The Strangites still exist today.  The have a few hundred members in Kansas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wisconsin.  <a href="http://strangite.org/" target="_blank">Here is a website from a Strangite follower</a>.  (It contains an online version of the Book of the Law of the Lord.)  John Hamer says the <a href="http://www.churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaintsstrangite.com/" target="_blank">official website for the church is found here</a>.</p>
<p>Independent historian Vickie Speek, John Hamer &amp; Mike Karpowicz of <a href="http://johnwhitmerbooks.com/">John Whitmer Books</a>, and Bill Russell of <a href="http://graceland.edu" target="_blank">Graceland University</a> (the CoC version of BYU) answered a few questions following their presentation on the past 160 years of Strangite history.</p>
<blockquote><p>Newell Bringhurst, “I found it very enlightening too, but the one area I wanted to hear a little bit more about was the core teachings, the liturgy.  Did you get a sense, particularly John and Mike?  [Vickie] You went into the Law of the Lord in your paper and those tenets and teachings, but what core teachings were perpetuated to the make things that give them an identity as far as their Mormonism or moving beyond or in a different direction in terms of their Mormon teachings that we would identify with as Mormons, from a Latter-Day Saint tradition?”</p>
<p>John Hamer, “I identified in my paper that there is a remarkable continuity.  When we first looked into this, we weren’t sure how this church that had been on Beaver Island and in Wisconsin, how did it end up being in New Mexico?  So we wondered, ‘is this a Neo-Strangite Church?  Is this a bunch of people who got converted and started calling themselves Strangites that don’t have any actual continuity?’  But we found in the course of looking through the records&#8211;we had incredible access to all the church’s records, we interviewed a dozen of the oldest members of the church, the branch records going all the way back to the 19th century are all kept in the vaults and all maintained—there is a remarkable continuity of practice and teaching that occurs because these Beaver Island members taught this new generation.  The practices remain and all sorts of things remain.</p>
<p>Some of the things we mentioned were sealing—sealing continues to be done, so that is unusual for Midwestern Mormons for example.  Most of the other branches other than the Cutlerites don’t do that.  You don’t have that in the Community of Christ.  It’s not in the Hedrickites.  They’re sealed for time and all eternity.  This idea of adopting into a noble and a princely household, these kingdom powers—that was being done all the way up through the [19]60’s, especially members of the Flanders clan were sealed, adopting into this Ketchum household that they were intermarried with in the 19th century, but essentially had forgotten that they were inter-married with.  This was more or less forgotten.  Some of this history has been recovered from the records, this connection between Joseph Ketchum and Granny Flanders.  Remember that Granny Flanders was this matriarch who had done this.</p>
<p>I would just say there are an incredible number of practices, there are all kinds of Strangite practices.  The Book of the Law of the Lord is integral as scripture.  It is read.  The Voree Branch are 7th day Sabbath-tarians—that’s Strangite practice.  The Laws of Sacrifice so they would sacrifice first fruits so again a lot of Strangite practice, because they had a second prophet, there’s all sorts of things that they have that other branches don’t have.  So I think the continuity is actually remarkable and the amount of practice and preservation is remarkable.  There are just a few things that fall out, because they don’t have the top priesthood offices.  So some things they don’t feel are valid to do.  One of those is plural marriages for example, they’re not done.</p>
<p>Vickie Speek, “There’s something we didn’t mention is the fact that according to Strangite belief, the lesser cannot ordain the higher. So they’ve lost their prophet, they’ve lost their priesthood, because only God can make a prophet.  Man can’t.  Man can’t make another prophet, so when James Strang died, the prophet died.</p>
<p>John Hamer, “It’s simply invalid for a teacher to ordain a priest.  Likewise, you cannot have an apostle ordain a prophet.  So that’s why Joseph [Smith] III’s ordination is invalid.  William Marks, as great of priesthood or whatever as he had is not a prophet, he cannot ordain a prophet.  Likewise Brigham Young, the other apostles that ordain him—that’s simply invalid in Strangite view, because the lesser cannot ordain the greater.</p>
<p>Newell Bringhurst, “So then the highest priesthood office then is a high priest, is that correct?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yes, High Priest.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “Since prophets die, and  Joseph was killed, then how are you going to have a successor to Joseph?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Angelic ordination.”</p>
<p>??? “Just the way Strang was ordained.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “James Strang could have, under the direction of God, laid his hands and ordained somebody before he passed, but he did not.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hts.gatech.edu/faculty/foster-lawrence.php" target="_blank">Larry Foster</a>, “I also commend the excellent papers.  I had a couple questions more to Vickie, and maybe I missed part of it, or maybe it was answered elsewhere.  On the Book of the Law of the Lord, that’s an extremely impressive book I think.  I looked at it, but the 1856 edition is much bigger than the original book which is only about 50 pages?  A lot of the best stuff in the 1856 edition is these extended explanatory notes, I don’t know if polygamy is in the original text of the edition, or is it part of that explanatory notes stuff that extends the length of the book so much?</p>
<p>The other question I had was an inevitable question about Strang—what does one make of him?  He didn’t ordain a successor even though he was alive for several weeks after he was shot fatally.  Going back, how does polygamy get in there?  How about John C. Bennett?  It seems like John C. Bennett is right there at the heart of Nauvoo polygamy and Strangite polygamy and it seems like he was equally destructive in both contexts.  [audience chuckles]</p>
<p>I also wondered, I read one of Strang’s articles.  Golly, he could sure write.  He almost convinced me that polygamy was a great thing to liberate women.  [audience chuckles]  It gives them all kinds of choices they don’t have and they’re not stuck with a bunch of dodos.  It would appear, and I’ve been criticized by one of the Strangites for saying this, that certainly his letter of appointment was a forgery, that it seems to reflect his own diary.  It is block printed, the name has no relationship to Joseph Smith.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “We talked about his appointment at the beginning.”</p>
<p>Foster, “Oh you did.  There’s a pretty clear cut case of forgery, or maybe did you find some other approach?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “The way that I have looked at it.  When I wrote my book about the Strangites, I approached it basically as a newspaper reporter.  I was not going to take a position either way, I was just going to tell the story.  Because to me, it doesn’t matter to me what my opinion of James Strang was, but I was doing the story of the people who believed him, so that’s the way I wrote my book, and that’s the way I still basically look at it.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for the people who followed James Strang, and the Strangites of today, because their [road] is not the main road.  Theirs has been a very hard, hard road with a lot of heartache.</p>
<p>Now I would like to make one comment.  As far as I know, there is only a few copies of the 1851 Book of the Law, and there is somebody here who is familiar with the 1851 Book of the Law, and I’d like to ask him if there is polygamy in it?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Yeah, there is.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “It’s basically the same thing?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “It’s in the main text, right?  In other words, it just lacks the commentary, so it has the text, it just doesn’t explain it, right?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Are you guys asking me?”  [audience chuckles]  “Yeah, I have an 1851 Book of the Law and it’s an 80 page preliminary version.  It was published as a pamphlet with colored, printed wrappers on it.  It doesn’t have the explanatory notes.  It has 95% of the sections.  He continued to translate some additional sections.  There are some interesting differences.  For example, the first edition doesn’t have a chapter on baptism for the dead, and Strang includes his earlier 1849 revelation on baptism for the dead instead, and then has a footnote that says baptism for the dead evidently didn’t exist in the Old Testament.  Later he translates a chapter after on baptism from this Mosaic period, allegedly Mosaic period record.  So his own views changed.  But on polygamy he didn’t change.  The laws on the number of wives a king could have and things like that are all in that first edition.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “That 1851 edition does have that you say?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Right.</p>
<p>Mike, “Bill, is my assumption correct that with the assassination of Strang, that the tensions between the Strangites and the state and federal government kind of dissipated at that point.  It is interesting to me that whereas the army had a relationship with the Utah church for quite a while, Strang was shot virtually under the guns of the USS Michigan, a naval vessel on the Great Lakes.  I don’t know what the reports that were filed by the state of Michagan were, and how they were considered when they got back to Washington to the Navy Department in the Pierce administration, but were the tensions with the state governments of in Michigan and Wisconsin and federal government dissipated after the assassination?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yeah, because they also got expelled.  They picked up all the members.  They spoiled them of all their property.  They put them on rented boats and they dropped them off all along the coast line destitute in little tiny groups.  So it was the worst kind of persecution results than any other Mormons faced.”</p>
<p>Mike, “Did the navy play a part in that or was it all surveyance from Mackinaw City?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “There is no positive evidence.  However, you take all the circumstantial evidence together, and I say yes.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Not in the dropping off of the people.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Not in the dropping off of people, no.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “But like Mike said, the warship is there in the murder.”</p>
<p>Mike, “Does the USS Michigan ferry people from Mackinaw City to St. James as part of the mob?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yes.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “As part of the Mob?”</p>
<p>Mike, “Yes”</p>
<p>Vickie, “I don’t believe it was the Michigan.  There were 2 ships in Michigan.  There was a steamer and there was a warship.”</p>
<p>Mike, “I’m asking about the USS Michigan, the warship.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “I don’t know.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Right, The warship left the dock though.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Right, it left the dock when Strang was murdered and the murderers jumped on the ship and then left.”</p>
<p>Mike, “2 guys jumped on the ship.”</p>
<p>Vickie and Hamer, “Right.”</p>
<p>Mike, “They left on the USS Michigan?”</p>
<p>Vickie and Hamer, “Yes”.</p>
<p>Mike, “It’s an interesting parallel with the 2 churches: one with the army involved, and the other with the navy.” [audience chuckles]</p>
<p>Vickie, “I think the conflict was gone, because the Strangites were gone, they were scattered.”</p>
<p>Mike, “and the polygamy issue kind of faded away, then?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Right.”</p>
<p>William Russell, “Here’s a question right here, and then our time is expired so maybe this should be our last one.”</p>
<p>Woman, “Why did they kill James Strang?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “That’s a good question.  Basically, people had become disillusioned with Strang.  Strang was caught trying to follow the Book of the Law and one of the tenets of the church is no alcohol, and basically the Strangites didn’t allow alcohol and they did not support the sale of alcohol to the Native Americans and there was a lot of conflict with the gentiles, and so forth who wanted to sell alcohol.  Strangites became thirsty and they left the fold for other reasons, and those are the ones that basically were in the conspiracy to kill Strang.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “That’s one of them.  That’s on ongoing conflict.  Whenever Mormons gather together in big numbers and took political control and things like that, they would have conflict with their neighbors.  There are all kinds of problems that result from that including the 2 groups don’t trust each other, they don’t feel they can get justice from each other.  The other Americans see Mormons gathering under one prophet as being un-American.  There’s a lot of tendency to go and kill that prophet.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “One other thing though, he did serve 1 term in the Michigan legislature.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Two terms.”</p>
<p>Russell, “Well 2 years I think is all.  But anyway, he was considered very effective according to the Detroit Free Press.  It’s interesting that a prophet and king could be elected to the Michigan legislature and get along well.” [audience chuckles]  He was also a member of the farms.  Well thank you very much, this was an excellent session.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Like I said, it was a fascinating question.  I&#8217;ve invited John Hamer and a few others to entertain questions if you have any.  Do you have any questions for them?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In part two of this series I discussed Bayesian inference. Specifically, I discussed how Bayesian inference provided us with a mechanism for deciding in what we should place our confidence given all the information we possess and will yet obtain. This was all framed in the context of confidence. I&#8217;d like to discuss an alternative way of looking at Bayesian inference &#8211; namely optimization. Optimization Optimization largely rules our world. Virtually all of management, engineering, politics, and much of science is about optimization. Optimization, in this sense, is the process of determining the optimal solution given all the objectives and constraints. In management, the process may not be that formal. Perhaps there is a board of directors who gather around a table to discuss the optimal set of policies, the direction to go, etc. In politics it is likely similar. The President of the U.S. surrounds himself with experts on a particular topic, they then engage in discussion, and hope to land on the optimal answer given the objectives and constraints. For engineers the process is much more formal and precise. Usually optimization takes the form of a cost function &#8211; a function incorporating, mathematically, all the objectives and constraints. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/18/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-2-inductive-reasoning/">part two</a> of this series I discussed Bayesian inference.  Specifically, I discussed how Bayesian inference provided us with a mechanism for deciding in what we should place our confidence given all the information we possess and will yet obtain.  This was all framed in the context of confidence.  I&#8217;d like to discuss an alternative way of looking at Bayesian inference &#8211; namely optimization.<span id="more-11861"></span></p>
<h4>Optimization</h4>
<p>Optimization largely rules our world.  Virtually all of management, engineering, politics, and much of science is about optimization.  Optimization, in this sense, is the process of determining the optimal solution given all the objectives and constraints.  In management, the process may not be that formal.  Perhaps there is a board of directors who gather around a table to discuss the optimal set of policies, the direction to go, etc.  In politics it is likely similar.  The President of the U.S. surrounds himself with experts on a particular topic, they then engage in discussion, and hope to land on the optimal answer given the objectives and constraints.</p>
<p>For engineers the process is much more formal and precise.  Usually optimization takes the form of a cost function &#8211; a function incorporating, mathematically, all the objectives and constraints.  An algorithm (and there are many) is then employed to &#8220;solve&#8221; the function resulting in the optimal solution.  To demonstrate, here&#8217;s an example:</p>
<p>Suppose you are designing an aircraft.  There are numerous design possibilities, a canard style, V-tail empennages, aspect ratio of the wings, length of fuselage, coating of the surfaces, wingtips, where to place the turbines, height of vertical stabilizer (if having one at all), etc. etc.  We would like to find the optimal answer amongst all these parameters such that we maximize lift, maximize cargo space, maximize safety, minimize energy consumption, etc.  Of course we also have constraints.  We cannot physically manufacture a flexible fixed wing that is 800 ft long and thin as a toothpick.  To solve the problem, we can write down a big, long, nasty equation that would mathematically characterize the physics, constraints, and objectives and then pick our favorite optimization algorithm and wait for it to churn out the answer (which may take a long time).</p>
<p>Bayesian inference is one algorithm that can be applied to such an optimization problem.  Typically one would choose this algorithm amidst a cost function that was stochastic in nature, having noise and/or error in the system, that expressed our confidence.</p>
<h4>Finding the Truth, Optimization Style</h4>
<p>In some sense, the Bayesian inference mechanism I discussed in previous posts could be seen as an optimization method for finding the truth.  If we assume that all the new information we regularly encounter has some (even if very little) truth therein, and we apply that information in the regular Bayesian inference sense, we could then reliably conclude that we have found the &#8220;truth,&#8221; with some probability (level of confidence), given all the information.</p>
<p>This is highly related to a comment FireTag made on my <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/23/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-3-putting-it-all-together/">previous post</a>.  He asked</p>
<blockquote><p>So there are routes to evolve our beliefs toward truth no matter where we start or whatever the order of our search algorithm?</p></blockquote>
<p>In the context of this question, Bayesian inference can easily be seen as a search algorithm.  And, in fact, if we used a Sequential Monte Carlo method, it really does feel like a search algorithm.</p>
<p>In expanding this notion, my response, in part, was:</p>
<blockquote><p>Absolutely (at least in my book)! Though certainly some search algorithms are definitely worse than others and some starting places better than others! Otherwise what prayer in the world do we have (unless you&#8217;re absolutely certain that YOU&#8217;VE got it right, but I sure don&#8217;t)? I view my religion/spirituality as a compass that (I hope) points me in a good direction. My hope is that if/when the absolute truth is made manifest to me I will be humble enough (and my definition of humble is &#8220;openness to the truth&#8221;) to recognize it because/in spite of my current confidence distribution.</p></blockquote>
<p>From this perspective, we might view the church (or whatever church you belong to), the Gospel, this life, and all our associated experience as tools to help us optimize for, and draw nearer to the truth given the objectives and constraints of our personal limitations and the limitations of this mortal existence.  While I have encountered a very few number of Mormons who claim that we have ALL the truth, this is not the claim of the LDS church.  Most of us, I believe, accept there are things we don&#8217;t yet know and don&#8217;t yet understand.  The real challenge is to have an appropriate confidence distribution such that you will accept that truth when it is made known to you.</p>
<p>However, I finished my response to FireTag with the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, this really opens another can of worms &#8211; namely, what is truth? My explanation thus far has been about our perception of truth which may or may not correlate with objective or absolute truth. To argue over whether or not our perception of truth is objective truth is to argue over what forms of evidence are acceptable and what weight we should apply to that evidence (which is the conclusion of <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/23/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-3-putting-it-all-together/">this post</a> and is an argument with no victor).</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[In part one I introduced the problem I see with our current understanding of faith, introduced some basic statistics, and weakly drew a comparison to faith. In part two I introduced deductive and inductive reasoning, and showed how Bayesian inference leads to good inductive reasoning. I also gave a brief example of how this might work in real life. In this post I would like to put all these concepts together into at least one way of viewing faith, knowledge, and belief. I will do this by examining the plausible reasoning of three individuals: a stereotypical believing Mormon, a Mormon convert, and a disaffected Mormon. As a disclaimer my intent is not to say this is how all such individuals think or act, only how they might think or act. I also want to clearly state that I do not think one is better than the others &#8211; rather, I think they all follow the same model. The Convert John is a member of another Christian denomination and he was raised as a believer. He has had one discussion with the LDS missionaries and plans to continue these discussions. In the first discussion the missionaries built on common beliefs with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/09/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-1/">part one</a> I introduced the problem I see with our current understanding of faith, introduced some basic statistics, and weakly drew a comparison to faith.  In  <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/18/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-2-inductive-reasoning/">part two</a> I introduced deductive and inductive reasoning, and showed how Bayesian inference leads to good inductive reasoning.  I also gave a brief example of how this might work in real life.  In this post I would like to put all these concepts together into at least one way of viewing faith, knowledge, and belief.  I will do this by examining the plausible reasoning of three individuals: a stereotypical believing Mormon, a Mormon convert, and a disaffected Mormon.  As a disclaimer my intent is not to say this is how all such individuals think or act, only how they <em>might</em> think or act.  I also want to clearly state that I do not think one is better than the others &#8211; rather, I think they all follow the same model.<span id="more-11797"></span></p>
<h4>The Convert</h4>
<p>John is a member of another Christian denomination and  he was raised as a believer.  He has had one discussion with the LDS missionaries and plans to continue these discussions.  In the first discussion the missionaries built on common beliefs with John and challenged him to read a few verses in The Book of Mormon and to pray over them.  They read Moroni 10:3-5 in which the Lord, through his prophet, provides a recipe for confirmation of the truthfulness of the message taught.  John takes this seriously and reads the verses and prays over them.  He also has a strong spiritual manifestation.  He feels peace, warmth, and what he interprets as an assurance from the Holy Spirit that the message is true.</p>
<p>For John, he has had a number of spiritual manifestations and hence accepts this form of gaining knowledge.  He has not had one quite this powerful before so he takes this manifestation as evidence that the LDS church is true.  In Bayesian terms, we might claim that John had a confidence distribution with a mean of &#8220;my Christian denomination is true&#8221; with a fairly large standard deviation (since he was open to other religious possibilities).  When he received this new piece of information (a spiritual manifestation of the truthfulness of the LDS message) he incorporated it into his confidence distribution.  This, along with further discussions from the missionaries is enough to shift his distribution to one with a mean of &#8220;the LDS church is the true church&#8221; with a fairly small standard deviation.</p>
<p>In this scenario there are some interesting things going on with regard to faith, knowledge, and belief.  John had &#8220;belief&#8221; enough to take a leap of &#8220;faith.&#8221;  In essence, he was testing the &#8220;tail ends&#8221; of his confidence distribution by examining a foreign concept.  In a Monte Carlo sense, his random walk was probing &#8220;less probable&#8221; areas of his distribution.  For John, he found some valuable information that he then used to modify that distribution.  It is easy to characterize his actions as &#8220;faith&#8221; as he probed heretofore untested waters.  His experience exemplifies the allegory of faith given in Alma 32.</p>
<h4>The Stereotypical Mormon</h4>
<p>Bill is a lifelong member of the LDS church.  He was raised in Salt Lake City and has been an obedient member of the church for all of his 39 years.  Bill has a strong testimony of the truthfulness of the Gospel and all of its core principles and doctrines.</p>
<p>Bill has had many experiences which he interprets as support for his view of the Gospel.  He has a successful career, a great family, good health, and an abundance of opportunities to serve which he attributes to his adherence to tithing, prayer, fasting, righteous living, and heeding the counsel of prophets.  Bill has so much confirming evidence of his life choices and beliefs that his confidence distribution has a mean of &#8220;the LDS church is the true church&#8221; with a very small standard deviation.  Bill acknowledges that others have some pieces of truth, but is grateful that he has the blessing of knowing the fulness.  Indeed, Bill claims he &#8220;knows&#8221; the Gospel is true.  He would live and die by this, and admits that nothing could persuade him otherwise.</p>
<p>In this scenario, faith, belief, and knowledge take on a bit different meaning.  Bill hasn&#8217;t really taken the same kind of &#8220;leap of faith&#8221; that John did.  He has put his beliefs to the test and received verification that they were correct.  While he has somewhat probed the less probable regions of his confidence (the tails of his distribution) he interprets the information as confirming his beliefs.  His confidence in his mean is so great it would be easy to classify Bill&#8217;s &#8220;faith&#8221; or &#8220;belief&#8221; as &#8220;knowledge&#8221; (which of course he does regularly at testimony meetings).  Each successive spiritual experience or life event, properly interpreted, only adds more information which confirms Bill&#8217;s knowledge.</p>
<h4>The Disaffected Mormon</h4>
<p>Fred is in the same boat as Bill.  He is a lifelong member of the LDS church, grew up in Salt Lake City, and did all he was asked to do.  However, about a year ago he encountered some individuals that posed challenging questions to his worldview.  Initially, Fred&#8217;s response was much like Bill&#8217;s, that is, he interpreted information to confirm his knowledge.  But eventually the information became so overwhelming that Fred had to concede he might not have it quite right.</p>
<p>Fred has also had many spiritual manifestations, but his probing into psychology convinces him that much of it can be explained by regular, well understood psychological phenomena.  Fred has also been richly &#8220;blessed&#8221; with a good career, great family, etc. but has to acknowledge that many non-Mormons have also been similarly blessed.  For Fred, his confidence distribution is beginning to change.  Each new piece of information, incorporated loosely via a built-in Bayesian inference calculator, shifts the distribution away from his mean of &#8220;the LDS church is the true church.&#8221;  Initially, the information only increases his standard deviation as he acknowledges truth in other places, but eventually his mean starts to shift as well when he examines what he considers to be the lack of evidence for the historicity of The Book of Mormon, the myriad conundrums in Church history, etc.  Most alarming for Fred is the feeling of betrayal by not realizing these things earlier in life which he attributes to white-washing by the LDS church.</p>
<p>In this scenario it would be easy to claim that &#8220;faith&#8221; is being destroyed.  I think this is erroneous.  Rather, I would say that &#8220;faith&#8221; is shifting.  Fred now has faith in other things, though admittedly less faith in the LDS church being the true church.  After a year of struggling, Fred admits he no longer has any confidence that the LDS church is the true church.</p>
<h4>Contrasting the Scenarios</h4>
<p>The commonalities between the scenarios are interesting.  Each individual is doing what he thinks is most probable.  John and Fred actually took a &#8220;leap of faith&#8221; to probe the less probable regions of their confidence distribution which turned up valuable information.  Additionally, since some previous experiences had modified their distribution, their built-in Bayesian inference calculator was perhaps more able to objectively incorporate the new information.  While Bill did occassionally probe the less probable regions of his distribution, the new information was interpreted to add more evidence to his beliefs.</p>
<p>This leads me to conclude that the biggest argument over &#8220;faith,&#8221; &#8220;belief,&#8221; and &#8220;knowledge,&#8221; actually has nothing to do with one&#8217;s &#8220;faithfulness&#8221; and everything to do with the quantity, types of, and weighting given to different types of evidence.  For John and Bill, spiritual manifestations are a perfectly valid form of evidence, perhaps even the most important kind, which they weight appropriately.  For Fred, this used to be the case, but as he discovered new information he had to modify his weightings, and began to reject some forms of evidence (spiritual manifestations) previously acceptable to him.</p>
<p>I subscribe to the &#8220;confidence distribution&#8221; model for understanding people&#8217;s beliefs, motivations, actions etc. because I believe it drives to the real issues which is what types of evidence are accepted by people, and what importance they place on that evidence.</p>
<p>This kind of reasoning also brings a different perspective to the word &#8220;doubt.&#8221;  We could say that Fred is &#8220;doubting&#8221; and couch this in negative terms, but I think a more appropriate characterization would be to admit that Fred now accepts other forms of evidence and hence his faith has shifted.  For Fred, he is being intellectually honest, as is Bill and John.  This doesn&#8217;t make one more faithful, or more spiritual than the others, just different!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #23 The story of David and Jonathan is one of the most inspiring examples of true friendship anywhere.  Our LDS SS manual firmly places this lesson within the mainstream view of Biblical exegesis, presenting the two as strong personal and platonic friends.  As I studied the covenant made between these young men in 1 Samuel 18, I was touched by the loyalty shown by the young Jonathan, because he &#8220;loved [David] as his own soul.&#8221;  Because of this love, Jonathan relinquishes his hopes for his father&#8217;s throne in deference to God&#8217;s choice.  In a symbolic and ceremonial gesture, Jonathan strips off his robe, which represents the authority he holds to succeed his father, King Saul, and gives it to David.  He also gives David his sword and his bow, representing his military prerogative; and his girdle, which symbolizes spiritual truths and the kingdom of God. But other writers, beginning with Homer and continuing to the present day, have noted the strong elements of intimacy and eroticism within the relationship.  David&#8217;s love for Jonathan is described as &#8220;wonderful, passing the love of women.&#8221;  Saul also reprimands Jonathan at the dinner table, accusing him that &#8220;thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and [...]]]></description>
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<p>The story of David and Jonathan is one of the most inspiring examples of true friendship anywhere.  Our LDS SS manual firmly places <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7a84c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">this lesson</a> within the mainstream view of Biblical exegesis, presenting the two as strong personal and platonic friends.  As I studied the covenant made between these young men in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/1_sam/18/1-4#1">1 Samuel 18</a>, I was touched by the loyalty shown by the young Jonathan, because he &#8220;loved [David] as his own soul.&#8221;  Because of this love, Jonathan relinquishes his hopes for his father&#8217;s throne in deference to God&#8217;s choice.  In a symbolic and ceremonial gesture, Jonathan strips off his robe, which <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=gen+37:3,+23&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=num+20:22-28%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=">represents the authority</a> he holds to succeed his father, King Saul, and gives it to David.  He also gives David his sword and his bow, representing his military prerogative; and his girdle, which symbolizes spiritual truths and the kingdom of God.</p>
<p>But other writers, beginning with Homer and continuing to the present day, have noted the strong elements of intimacy and eroticism within the relationship.  <span id="more-11709"></span><!--more-->David&#8217;s love for Jonathan is described as &#8220;wonderful, passing the love of women.&#8221;  Saul also reprimands Jonathan at the dinner table, accusing him that &#8220;thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother’s nakedness.&#8221;  Martti Nissinen concludes that this &#8220;choosing (<em>bahar</em>) may indicate a permanent choice and firm relationship, and the mention of &#8220;nakedness&#8221; (<em>erwa</em>) could be interpreted to convey a negative sexual nuance, giving the impression that Saul saw something indecent in Jonathan&#8217;s and David&#8217;s relationship.  Some also interpret this as Saul&#8217;s caution that choosing David as a lover meant that Jonathan could not produce an heir to the throne. There is also an exchange pointing to <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=1+sam+18:21&amp;do=Search">1 Samuel 18:21</a>. Here Saul tells David that when he marries Michal he will become his son-in-law for the second time.  There is reason to suppose the union of Jonathan and David represents the first.</p>
<p>What does it mean that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David?</p>
<p>In trying to interpret the story of these two Biblical figures, I am greatly influenced by my reading of Michael Quinn&#8217;s <a href="http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/74dbx6fq9780252069581.html">Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans</a>.  In this book, Quinn describes a nineteenth-century Mormon culture far more hospitable to and tolerant of same-sex relationships than that of modern Mormonism, which he regards as &#8220;homophobic.&#8221;  He gives several examples of long-term relationships among Mormon couples he believes were homosexual.  But in doing so, he also admits of a world and an era where emotional intimacy and physical closeness of same-sex friends did NOT involve homoeroticism.  He gives examples of letters written in the nineteenth century between platonic friends which contained emotional intensity and passionate references.  Same-sex friends held hands, kissed each other on the lips, and sometimes slept in the same bed for years at a time. These things are more aptly described as &#8220;homosociality.&#8221;   Reading about this phenomenon gave me an insight into the world view of previous ages that I had not understood before reading the book.</p>
<p>At times when I read the story of David and Jonathan through my twenty-first-century lens, I have wondered if these men were not physically intimate.  The words and images used to describe their relationship are passionate, ardent, concupiscent.  But reading about some of the homosocial behaviors Quinn describes has convinced me that David and Jonathan were not gay.  I agree with Quinn that too many Americans find homosociality frightening. Some of my returned-missionary friends have spoken with embarrassment of the strong male bonding they experienced on their missions.  They recall vivid episodes involving platonic intimacy &#8212; walking arm-in-arm, embracing, and other emotional and physical affection.  We are suspicious and uncomfortable with these things in our modern paradigm.  But homosociality can be an enlightening concept to consider.  I&#8217;m glad this relationship is included among all of the other unusual associations described in the Old Testament!</p>
<p>BONUS: The woodcut of Jonathan and David pictured below may be astonishingly evocative, both to LDS members endowed before 1990 and to those familiar with Masonic ritual.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/woodcut.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-11711" title="woodcut" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/woodcut-1024x821.gif" alt="" width="717" height="575" /></a></p>
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<div style="text-align: center;">Jonathan Lovingly Taketh His Leave of David&#8221; by <a title="Julius Schnorr von Karolsfeld" href="http://www.search.com/reference/Julius_Schnorr_von_Karolsfeld">Julius Schnorr von Karolsfeld</a></div>
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		<title>The Mormon Therapist on &#8220;I don&#8217;t feel safe talking to my husband about sex.&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 06:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Natasha Helfer Parker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of experience working with LDS members. Here she shares with us representative cases from her practice and insights she has gained from her work as a therapist.  She blogs at mormontherapist.blogspot.com. You have mentioned the importance of communicating with our spouse about our view of sex&#8211;not just the fantasies. I don&#8217;t feel like I can do that with my husband. He is not a safe place to go for me. We have a different opinion about how and how often we should be having sex. Part of my opinion on that is because of insecurities that I have about my body, that sadly, he has made even worse. So when I try to express my opinions on the subject I feel like he has just gotten defensive. And his defense mechanism is to just shut down. It has been going on for a long time. In other areas of our marriage, I feel like we are doing pretty well, but this issue has lately begun to seep through our whole relationship and I feel like if we don&#8217;t take care [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1185-e1275478108951.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-11186" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1185-e1275478108951.jpg" alt="" width="77" height="85" /></a>Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and  Family   Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of  experience working   with LDS members. Here she shares with us  representative cases from  her  practice and insights she has gained  from her work as a therapist.   She  blogs at <a href="http://mormontherapist.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">mormontherapist.blogspot.com</a>.</p>
<p><em>You have mentioned the importance of communicating with our spouse about our view of sex&#8211;not just the fantasies. I don&#8217;t feel like I can do that  with my husband. He is not a safe place to go for me. We have a  different opinion about how and how often we should be having sex. Part  of my opinion on that is because of insecurities that I have about my  body, that sadly, he has made even worse. So when I try to express my  opinions on the subject I feel like he has just gotten defensive. And  his defense mechanism is to just shut down. It has been going on for a  long time. In other areas of our marriage, I feel like we are doing  pretty well, but this issue has lately begun to seep through our whole  relationship and I feel like if we don&#8217;t take care of it soon, we won&#8217;t  be able to at all.</em><br />
<span id="more-11658"></span>We all come to marriage  with our own sexual histories, sexual expectations and sexual taboos.  And there is no magical guidebook given to us after the marriage ceremony to  help us navigate through these complicated thoughts, feelings and frustrations. Here are some thoughts I had as I read through  your experience:</p>
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<li>Sexuality is closely tied with our egos, self-esteem and for many a  sense of shame or  embarrassment. This is why it can be difficult to talk  about and most of us  could use some help in this department.</li>
<li>Our religious framework often has much to do with the &#8220;hows&#8221; and the &#8220;how oftens.&#8221;  Having frank and open discussions in a respectful setting regarding sex is pivotal to any couple of any faith.</li>
<li>The &#8220;how oftens&#8221; also have much to do with differences in biological drive.  Knowledge of how biological drive will affect your sexuality as a couple is also important.</li>
<li>One recommendation is to go get couples  counseling. Make sure you go to someone who is qualified to do  couples work, which is different from individual therapy. You may also consider going to a  specialized sex therapist who is even more qualified to deal with sexual  issues.  The biggest mistake that  couples make when it comes to seeking professional help is to not get it early  enough. You say your marriage is primarily in a good place. It will be much easier to do this work now before you add years of resentment, mistrust, and anger.  A good therapist, whether LDS or  not, should respect your religious values regarding sexuality.  Since the sense of safety is so important to whether or not a couple can successfully resolve issues, this should be one of the main themes around the work you do in therapy.</li>
<li>The only person you have control  over is yourself. And the only person who can work on your self-esteem  is yourself. If your partner is making comments that put you down, it  can be extremely difficult to NOT have it affect your self-esteem.  However, your self-esteem is your own responsibility and I  would recommend doing some self-esteem work. If your partner refuses to  seek help with you, it is your right to seek help anyway.</li>
<li>There is a big difference between constructive feedback  and putting somebody down. Unfortunately in marriage we can often  belittle our partner or find ourselves being criticized in an  unproductive way. A common self-defense mechanism is finding faults in others when we don&#8217;t feel good about ourselves. Your husband may be struggling with his  own self-esteem and be putting you down as a result.  Obviously in a marriage, this negative pattern  can spiral to the point that affection and intimacy are greatly  affected. It is perfectly reasonable to set appropriate boundaries  around hurtful or negative comments (i.e. &#8220;I am not ok with you putting  down the way I look. It affects my self-esteem and it is not healthy for  our marriage.&#8221;).</li>
<li>It would be helpful if we could remember that pointing out to our spouse things that we don&#8217;t like about them (especially in a critical or demeaning fashion) usually has  the opposite effect of getting what we want.</li>
<li>When it is  difficult to talk about something, especially with a spouse who  withdraws from conflict, it can be useful to write a letter instead. I  would include the following elements (and notice the use of &#8220;I&#8221;  statements which help keep you away from blame):</li>
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<li>These  are the things I love about our marriage&#8230;. These are the things that I  think we are good at&#8230;.</li>
<li>At the same time (not however or but), I feel like we would  both agree that we&#8217;ve been struggling in this area&#8230;</li>
<li>I would  like to get some outside help so that we can look forward to increasing  the level of intimacy and trust in our relationship&#8230;. These are some  options that I am considering&#8230;</li>
<li>Please let me know your  thoughts on the matter&#8230;..</li>
<li>I believe in us&#8230;..</li>
<li>I love  you and my desire is to be closer to you&#8230;</li>
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<li>If I was  going to work with you as a couple some information that would be  helpful to know about you would be:</li>
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<li>is there any past  sexual trauma for either partner?</li>
<li>what are your sexual  histories?  have you been honest with each other about your sexual  histories?</li>
<li>what are the patterns of previous generations? what  kinds of relationships were modeled? how was sex education and messages  communicated about in the families of origin?</li>
<li>how has your religion framed your sexual mindset? how do each of you see the purpose of sex?</li>
<li>is there any past  or current sexual behavior that would cause shame or secrecy (i.e.  pornography use, affairs, ruminating thoughts, etc.)?</li>
<li>what&#8217;s the  level of self-esteem work that needs to be done for both?</li>
<li> are there any  eating disorders involved?</li>
<li>what correlation do you see between emotional, intellectual, spiritual and physical intimacy?</li>
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<p>For the readers of MM &#8211; what have you found useful in your relationships when talking about topics that don&#8217;t feel comfortable or safe?  How have you struck a balance between offering constructive criticism instead of belittlement?  How have you taken constructive criticism yourself?  How do gospel principles help or hinder us in this department (i.e. stand up for yourself vs turn the other cheek)?  Do you feel safe talking to your spouse about sex?  Do the church education programs prepare us to talk to our spouses about sex?  How do we best handle differences in the &#8220;how&#8221; or &#8220;how often&#8221; departments?  When should compromise be part of the equation and when shouldn&#8217;t it?  What about issues of physical attraction when one of us gains weight for example?</p>
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		<title>You Can&#8217;t Ride Two Donkeys With One Ass: Saul and Spiritual Rebirth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #22 Ever since I was introduced to the word &#8220;liminal,&#8221; I have claimed it as my own. This word describes a threshold or a transitional position &#8212; a balancing point between two states of being. For many years I have felt poised on the threshold between two totally different ways of viewing the world. One is scientific and rational. The other is a place where angels materialize and shake your hand, where dreams have meaning, where God&#8217;s words come out of men&#8217;s mouths when they lay their hands on your head. Many members of the Church seem easily able to slip between both of these worlds. But I see a fundamental difference between the two world views. In the naturalistic view of the universe, events do not violate natural laws and are subject to the principles of empirical investigation. In the mystical view, divine intervention is possible outside of natural law. Striving to make sense of my world has been like trying to ride two donkeys with one ass. I often feel quite schizophrenic for even making the attempt. I do it because I feel like both paradigms are equally valid and I can&#8217;t imagine jumping off [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #22</strong></big></p>
<p>Ever since I was introduced to the word &#8220;liminal,&#8221; I have claimed it as my own.  This word describes a threshold or a transitional position &#8212; a balancing point between two states of being.  For many years I have felt poised on the threshold between two totally different ways of viewing the world. One is scientific and rational.  The other is a place where angels materialize and shake your hand, where dreams have meaning, where God&#8217;s words come out of men&#8217;s mouths when they lay their hands on your head.<span id="more-11625"></span> Many members of the Church seem easily able to slip between both of these worlds.  But I see a fundamental difference between the two world views.  In the naturalistic view of the universe, events do not violate natural laws and are subject to the principles of empirical investigation.  In the mystical view, divine intervention is possible outside of natural law.</p>
<p>Striving to make sense of my world has been like trying to ride two donkeys with one ass. I often feel quite schizophrenic for even making the attempt. I do it because I feel like both paradigms are equally valid and I can&#8217;t imagine jumping off on one side or the other and excising a vital part of my being. But living a double life makes me feel uncomfortable around everyone. For example, when I am with a certain group of Mormons I can&#8217;t fathom why they don&#8217;t realize that the founder of their Church took the temple ceremony largely from Masonry, a tradition whose roots are not as ancient as some suppose.  Then when I am with another group of my LDS friends I feel equally out of place because I recognize some sort of cosmic connection to the Infinite which occurs at these mystical points of ascent.</p>
<p>Liminality in my life is reading the RS/PH handbook at home and critiquing it from a secular/humanist perspective; then later in Church giving that same lesson from a mystical worldview, and feeling some Greater Power assisting me to articulate the principles. Afterwards I feel dizzy and disoriented.  Am I leading people astray?  Was that a real experience or just my emotions or hormones coming into play?</p>
<p>This week&#8217;s <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=86c3c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">SS lesson</a> is centered around the heart; and the story of Saul, Israel&#8217;s proto-monarch, is a perfect place to start for someone who is not quite sure of the state of hers.</p>
<p>To begin with, it is possible that in the course of Biblical transmission, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1RNNN_enUS351US351&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=saul+samuel+birth+narrative">Saul&#8217;s birth narrative</a> was dispossessed by another.  Biblical scholars have noted that the wordplay in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/1_sam/1">1 Samuel 1</a> works best when applied to Saul&#8217;s name, but this has been replaced by Samuel.  In Hebrew, &#8220;Saul&#8221; can mean &#8220;petition,&#8221; &#8220;request,&#8221; or &#8220;thing given.&#8221;  Thus verse 20 may have originally read:</p>
<blockquote><p>And she named him Saul, saying, &#8220;Because I have &#8216;sauled&#8217; him (requested him) from YHWH.</p></blockquote>
<p>The etymology is carried through in verses 17, 20, 27, and 28.  But for a variety of reasons, the birth narrative has been transferred to the prophet Samuel.  Was it Saul, rather than Samuel, who was dedicated to the Lord by his mother?  Was it Saul who was divinely appointed and raised?</p>
<p>The reader next encounters Saul in a narrative of spiritual rebirth.  Saul is searching for lost donkeys, and ends up visiting Samuel.  This prophet anoints Saul and tells him that the Lord&#8217;s Spirit shall come upon him, he shall prophesy, and he will be &#8220;turned into another man.&#8221; That day, &#8220;God gave him another heart.&#8221;  The significance of this regeneration which seems so obvious when reading chapter 10 is actually hotly debated in Christian circles.</p>
<p>&#8220;Was Saul saved?&#8221;  evangelicals wonder.  They point to later actions and speculate whether his heart had really been changed.  I confess that Saul&#8217;s <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_sam/13">actions at Gilgal</a> seem defensible to me.  The Lord had commanded that burnt offerings be made before going into battle.  Saul had gathered his army and the Philistines were threatening.  Saul waited the agreed-upon seven days for Samuel, but he didn&#8217;t show.  The Israelite army was beginning to scatter.  So Saul went ahead and performed the sacrifice.  What a conundrum he faced!  Should he wait for Samuel, and lose his army?  Should he go into battle without performing the sacrifice?  Or should he offer the sacrifice himself, without the necessary authority?  Doubtless I would have made the same choice Saul did.  But we are told that his heart was in the wrong place &#8212; that &#8220;obedience is better than sacrifice&#8221; &#8212; and that at this point his kingdom was lost and given to another.</p>
<p>This was a pivotal moment for Saul, and through the rest of his life he wavered between acts of anger and rebellion, and heartfelt repentance.  The mental distress he experienced is anguishing.</p>
<p>Saul strikes me as a man trying to ride two donkeys, and I have the greatest compassion for him.  I&#8217;d like to end this post with a poem by John Donne which I can envision coming from my mouth, and from Saul&#8217;s.  It&#8217;s a  lament from a soul which recognizes the pull of the profane and natural man, yet longs for a mystical union with the Divine.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>Holy Sonnet XIV</strong></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Batter my heart, three person&#8217;d God; for, you</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">As yet but knocke, breathe, shine, and seeke to mend;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">That I may rise, and stand, o&#8217;erthrow mee,&#8217;and bend</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Your force, to breake, blowe, burn and make me new.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/saul-and-david.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-11630" style="margin-left: 50px; margin-right: 50px;" title="saul and david" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/saul-and-david.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a>I, like an usurpt towne, to&#8217;another due,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Labour to&#8217;admit you, but Oh, to no end,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Reason your viceroy in mee, mee should defend,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">But is captiv&#8217;d, and proves weake or untrue.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Yet dearely&#8217;I love you,&#8217;and would be loved faine,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">But am betroth&#8217;d unto your enemie:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Divorce mee,&#8217;untie, or breake that knot againe;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Take mee to you, imprison mee, for I</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Except you&#8217;enthrall mee, never shall be free,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 150px;">Nor ever chast, except you ravish mee.</p>
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		<title>Absolute Truth, Inclusivism, Lumen Gentium, and Emeth</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guest post by Thomas In C.S. Lewis&#8217; final Narnia book The Last Battle, there is a powerful scene of an encounter between the Christ-symbolizing lion Aslan and Emeth, a noble-minded worshipper of the false Calormene demon-god Tash: &#8220;[The Lion] touched my forehead&#8230;and said, Son, thou art welcome.  But I said, Alas Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash.  He answered, Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me.  Then by reasons of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, Lord, is it then true&#8230;that thou and Tash are one?  The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, It is false.  Not because he and I aer one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him.  For he and I are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him.  Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Guest post by Thomas</em></p>
<p>In C.S. Lewis&#8217; final Narnia book <em>The Last Battle</em>, there is a powerful scene of an encounter between the Christ-symbolizing lion Aslan and Emeth, a noble-minded worshipper of the false Calormene demon-god Tash:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[The Lion] touched my forehead&#8230;and said, Son, thou art welcome.  But I said, Alas Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash.  He answered, Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me.  Then by reasons of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, Lord, is it then true&#8230;that thou and Tash are one?  The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, It is false.  Not because he and I aer one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him.  For he and I are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him.  Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath&#8217;s sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him.  And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Needless to say, a certain type of Christian evangelical is appalled by this.  I read an essay (by someone who evidently has reading-comprehension problems) arguing that by Lewis&#8217;s logic, Osama bin Laden&#8217;s diligence in pursuit of what he understands to be his religious duty must be credited as salvific worship of Christ.<span id="more-11538"></span></p>
<p>And there is a danger, in seeking to be courteous to people who believe fundamentally different things from our own faith, to drift into seeming to say that there is no absolute truth &#8212; that all religious traditions are equally valid, that all religious roads lead to God, and the like.  And in fact, the varieties of religious experience are often used by folk-postmodernists to argue there is no absolute truth &#8212; that all truths are simply fronts for cultural biases, interests, or power relations.  However &#8212; although there is more of a common core of shared moral truth, across many diverse cultures, than often gets acknowledged &#8211; the truth claims of different religious traditions are often mutually exclusive.  In the case of Christianity and Islam, for example, Jesus Christ was either a prophet, or the incarnate God.  He can&#8217;t be both.  So the only way that &#8220;all religious teachings can be equally valid&#8221; is for <em>none of them to be valid</em>.  They obtain whatever fiction of validity they have, only from what they are given by their adherents.  Asking, like Joseph Smith, &#8220;Who of all these parties are right; or, are they all wrong together?&#8221;  (JS-H 1:10), the vernacular relativist concludes the answer must be &#8220;all wrong together.&#8221;  Otherwise, we&#8217;d have to privilege one faith claim above another &#8212; and in a pluralist society, we certainly can&#8217;t have that.  Wouldn&#8217;t be courteous.</p>
<p>But it does not follow, from the fact that finding the absolute truth is so difficult that different people, exercising the best of their imperfect judgment, reach different conclusions, that there is no absolute truth.  It is possible that, among all the &#8220;contests of these parties of religionists,&#8221; somebody is actually right &#8212; or more right than others.  Christians give the assent of faith to the proposition that Christ &#8220;is the way, the Truth, and the life; no man cometh to the Father except by [Him].&#8221;  (John 14:6.)  We are committed to believing that there is one absolute Truth, and that it includes the basic fact that the salvation of humanity rests on Christ crucified.</p>
<p>How can faith in an exclusive Truth be reconciled with religious pluralism, not to mention God&#8217;s justice, in a world where the accidents of birth are probably the greatest factor that determines what religion a person practices?</p>
<p>I think C.S. Lewis was on to something with his parable of Emeth &#8212; whose name is Hebrew for &#8220;Truth.&#8221;  I think of Matthew 26:32-46, where the sheep are divided from from the goats.  The scripture seems to indicate that at least some of the sheep are surprised at being sheep:  &#8220;Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee?  or thirsty, and gave thee drink?  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Catholic theologian Karl Rahner, who was one of the major influences in the restatement of Catholic doctrine at the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, articulated a concept he called &#8220;Anonymous Christianity&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>Anonymous Christianity means that a person lives in the grace of God and attains salvation outside of explicitly constituted Christianity — Let us say, a Buddhist monk — who, because he follows his conscience, attains salvation and lives in the grace of God; of him I must say that he is an anonymous Christian; if not, I would have to presuppose that there is a genuine path to salvation that really attains that goal, but that simply has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. But I cannot do that. And so, if I hold if everyone depends upon Jesus Christ for salvation, and if at the same time I hold that many live in the world who have not expressly recognized Jesus Christ, then there remains in my opinion nothing else but to take up this postulate of an anonymous Christianity.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The Catholic Church subsequently adopted the substance of Rahner&#8217;s thinking.  The Church&#8217;s Dogmatic Constitution <em>Lumen Gentium </em>provides,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>Those also can attain to everlasting salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church, yet sincerely seek God and, moved by grace, strive by their deeds to do his will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience</em>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The present Catechism now provides,</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Those who through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation.&#8221; </em></p></blockquote>
<p>The declaration <em>Dominus Iesus</em> (criticized by some religious liberals for, evidently, not abandoning altogether the Catholic Church&#8217;s proclamation that it is the one true church), stated,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>Nevertheless, God, who desires to call all peoples to himself in Christ and to communicate to them the fullness of his revelation and love, &#8220;does not fail to make himself present in many ways, not only to individuals, but also to entire peoples through their spiritual riches, of which their religions are the main and essential expression even when they contain ‘gaps, insufficiencies and errors&#8221;. Therefore, the sacred books of other religions, which in actual fact direct and nourish the existence of their followers, receive from the mystery of Christ the elements of goodness and grace which they contain</em>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Mormonism, of course, may have anticipated this doctrine (or a version of it) with the doctrine of proxy ordinance work for the dead.  Although there has been controversy on the point, many LDS authorities suggest that even those who have had the gospel presented to them in this life, but rejected it for good-faith reasons, may obtain to salvation.</p>
<p>Some consider the doctrine of &#8220;Anonymous Christianity&#8221; to be condescending:  Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists, goes this argument, don&#8217;t want to be saved as &#8220;anonymous&#8221; or honorary Christians; they should insist on being saved <em>qua </em>Jews, Muslims, or Buddhists.  In my view, &#8220;Anonymous Christianity&#8221; is as far as a revealed religion can possibly go and remain anything like itself.</p>
<p>However, &#8220;Anonymous Christianity&#8221; has a potentially startling flip side:  Just as a noble-minded Muslim, who follows the truly holy aspects of his religion, may have his inherently holy actions counted as worship of Christ, isn&#8217;t it also at least conceivably possible that I &#8212; by practicing the noble truths contained in my Mormon variety of Christianity &#8212; could be an &#8220;anonymous Buddhist?&#8221;  We tend to view even entertaining the possibility that the things to which we give the assent of faith may not be in every respect exactly as we understand them as a kind of infidelity, but is it really so?  To have effective faith in something, do we really have to know it with every fiber of our being, or say that we do?</p>
<p>My faith is in Christ, exercised within the framework of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  I have reason to believe &#8212; or, more precisely, I choose to believe that certain experiences, whose actual import I may not be able to know with certainty, give me reason to believe &#8212; that God is pleased that I exercise faith in this way.  It may be that this is because the Gospel, as it it has been made known to me, is 100% true, to the exclusion of all contrary traditions &#8212; or it may be because my faith contains enough of the true God&#8217;s truth to suffice.</p>
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		<title>Pharisaical Observation</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote a post some time ago on whether they Pharisees were given a bad rap in the New Testament. It can be found here. One of the other bad raps against the Pharisees is that they were more concerned about the performance of the Law than the spiritual meaning of the Law. The story of the Pharisee and the Publican (Luke 18:10- 14) is meant to illustrate the point. Since modern Judaism is the outgrowth of Pharisaical Judaism, the same charge is made of the most observant Jews of our time.  More on that a bit later. In the LDS Church, we are asked to do a lot of things. Performances, if you will.  Daily prayer, multiple times a day, over meals, with spouse, family, personal and in our heart at all times; Daily scripture study, with family, spouse and personal; weekly Family Home Evening;  Monthly Home/ Visiting Teaching; Regular Temple Attendance (at least once a month) and Family History Work; Pay tithes and offerings (10% of increase plus Fast Offerings and other contributions); attend our meetings, Sunday, weekday and other; Accept and perform callings given to us by the Bishop or Stake President; Acquire, keep, use and rotate [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a post some time ago on whether they Pharisees were given a bad rap in the New Testament. It can be found <a href="../../../../../2008/09/10/pharisees-bad-guys-or-bad-rap/">here</a>. <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/men1-e1273588987903.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-11161" style="border: 3px solid black;margin: 3px" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/men1-e1273588987903.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="194" /></a>One of the other bad raps against the Pharisees is that they were more concerned about the performance of the Law than the spiritual meaning of the Law. The story of the Pharisee and the Publican (Luke 18:10- 14) is meant to illustrate the point. Since modern Judaism is the outgrowth of Pharisaical Judaism, the same charge is made of the most observant Jews of our time.  More on that a bit later.</p>
<p><span id="more-11159"></span>In the LDS Church, we are asked to do a lot of things. Performances, if you will.  Daily prayer, multiple times a day, over meals, with spouse, family, personal and in our heart at all times; Daily scripture study, with family, spouse and personal; weekly Family Home Evening;  Monthly Home/ Visiting Teaching; Regular Temple Attendance (at least once a month) and Family History Work; Pay tithes and offerings (10% of increase plus Fast Offerings and other contributions); attend our meetings, Sunday, weekday and other; Accept and perform callings given to us by the Bishop or Stake President; Acquire, keep, use and rotate a 1 year supply of food, 3 day emergency kit, supply of funds for emergencies; Strictly observe the Word of Wisdom: perform acts of services for others, meals for the sick, moving families in and out of the ward, yard work, repair work, community service, etc.;  Attend a yearly Tithing Settlement with the Bishop and a bi-yearly Temple Recommend Interview. And more.</p>
<p>These performances are meant to assist us in becoming more like our Savior and Heavenly Father. There is a spiritual meaning and intention behind each of these acts that should be carefully considered as we are doing them. These acts are not an end to themselves, but the means to an end. In most cases, they are recommended, strongly recommended and with a recommended frequency, but the regularity of performance is really a personal choice.</p>
<p>I get concerned both for myself and others that we may fall into the trap the Pharisees found themselves in. That the performances themselves begin to overshadow their meaning and the true intent. I fear that going through the motions becomes more important than real intent of the act itself.</p>
<p>For example, the purpose of Home Teaching is to “watch over the members of the Church, home teachers visit their assigned families at least once each month to teach and strengthen them. Home teachers establish a relationship of trust with these families so that the families can call upon them in times of need.” (LDS Church Website). But, if that relationship of trust is never formed because the Home Teachers do not take the time to really get to know the family and each of its members, does it really matter than they show up once a month? I realize it is a reported statistic, but what it purpose of the report? To prove we have gone through the motions?</p>
<p>Another example. Regular Temple Attendance. Most members of the Church (80%) are blessed to have a temple within 200 miles of their homes.  This means that regular attendance is more possible than ever before. The days of saving up for a lifetime to attend once and receive Temple ordnances for you and your family are rapidly coming to an end. Though, it is probably still true for some.  We only need to attend once for ourselves. The other times we go have a benefit to us and a service performed for others. We get to experience the serenity of the Temple environs, learn more of the meaning of the ordinances and provide a service for those who have passed from this life without receiving temple ordinances. But, if in striving to attend once a month as directed, we rush, do not fully pay attention and just go through the motions, are we really doing as we are asked to do? Maybe once a month isn’t possible or the right frequency for us?</p>
<p>Here are two stories from my Jewish experience.</p>
<p>Years ago, one of my great uncles was traveling in Africa (Ethiopia, I believe) and, as a very observant Jew, wanted to attend synagogue for the Sabbath. After the service, a man came up to him and, observing that my uncle had a pen in his shirt pocket, spat on him and accused him of defiling the Sabbath by carrying a pen in his pocket. Carrying a pen would be forbidden because one might be tempted to write with it on the Sabbath and that is considered work.</p>
<p>My family and I attended a large family reunion at a famous Jewish resort in the “borscht belt” of the Catskill Mountains of New York. This resort had seen its better days but was world famous in its heyday. I must admit there were more different types of Jews there than I had ever seen, from the most observant Hasidim with their black suits and peyos (side curls) to others in shorts and t-shirts. I imagine my family was the only Mormons there.</p>
<p>On Friday night, at the start of the Sabbath, one of the two elevators was set to automatic so that one need not push any buttons for it to operate. In other words, the doors open, you get in, the doors close and the elevator goes to the next floor. The doors open, people get in and out, the doors close and proceeds to the next floor. It allowed the people to ride the elevator without doing any work (pushing the buttons).</p>
<p>Well my uncle got into the non-automatic elevator with two young ladies. They asked him to push the button for floor 2 because they got into the wrong elevator. They told him they could not push the buttons themselves. He said to them that the scriptures say that they should not work nor should they make anyone else work (See Exodus 20:10).  The two young ladies looked at him with a rather quizzical look. They did not understand what he was saying.  He then pushed the button for their floor.</p>
<p>So, I worry that we, as a Church might be getting a little too carried away with the performances (the checklist as we have discussed recently) we are asked to do without the thought of the spiritual significance of what we do.</p>
<p>In some cases, if a 1 year supply is good, a 3 year supply is better. If the Word of Wisdom means abstaining from coffee and black tea, then abstaining from any caffeine, “hot” drink or chocolate is better. If going to the Temple once a month is good, going every week is better.</p>
<p>The regularity of these things is really a personal choice and should be aligned with all the other things we are doing in our life and should be based on our own spiritual growth and development. After all, the objective is to become like Jesus and Our Heavenly Father,  become the best person we can, serve others and return to live with them in the eternities, not rack up a bunch of impressive statistics.</p>
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		<title>Leavitt Alone, You Idiot!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our guest post today comes from Renn Oldsbuster, a somewhat passionate (!) polygamy sympathizer who blogs occasionally at The Fall of Reynolds. Okay, yes, I&#8217;m all amp&#8217;ed up about this one. Stupid David Leavitt has jumped on the anti-polygamy wagon again. He has taken on the custody case of a Juab County, Utah, woman who doesn&#8217;t want her soon-to-be ex-husband to have their children near any fundamentalist Mormons &#8211; see the following recent article from the Salt Lake Tribune: (and I have pasted some paragraphs below [emphasis mine]) - Father says his custody rights violated because of Fundamentalist Mormon views By Brooke Adams The Salt Lake Tribune Rocky Ridge » A Utah father is fighting an order that bars him from sharing his Fundamentalist Mormon views with his children or taking them to this small town he now calls home where most residents hold a religious belief in polygamy that a judge deemed &#8221;harmful.&#8221; Joseph Compton doesn&#8217;t like the label &#8220;Fundamentalist Mormon.&#8221; Instead, he prefers to describe himself as believing in &#8220;the gospel like Joseph Smith originally wrote it,&#8221; which includes the religious tenet of plural marriage. But that belief has put him outside the law, 4th District Judge Donald J. Eyre said in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Our guest post today comes from Renn Oldsbuster, a somewhat passionate (!) polygamy sympathizer who blogs occasionally at <a href="http://fallofreynolds.blogspot.com/">The Fall of Reynolds</a></em><em>.</em></p>
<p>Okay, yes, I&#8217;m all amp&#8217;ed up about this one. Stupid <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/David-Leavitt/8120872676">David Leavitt</a> has jumped on the anti-polygamy wagon again. He has taken on the custody case of a Juab County, Utah, woman who doesn&#8217;t want her soon-to-be ex-husband to have their children near any fundamentalist Mormons &#8211; see the following <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14938288">recent article</a> from the Salt Lake Tribune: (and I have pasted some paragraphs below [emphasis mine]) -<span id="more-10931"></span></p>
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<h4 style="padding-left: 30px;">Father says his custody rights violated because of Fundamentalist Mormon views</h4>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">By Brooke Adams<br />
The Salt Lake Tribune</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Rocky Ridge » A Utah father is fighting an order that bars him from sharing his Fundamentalist Mormon views with his children or taking them to this small town he now calls home where most residents hold a religious belief in polygamy that a judge deemed &#8221;harmful.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Joseph Compton doesn&#8217;t like the label &#8220;Fundamentalist Mormon.&#8221; Instead, he prefers to describe himself as believing in &#8220;the gospel like Joseph Smith originally wrote it,&#8221; which includes the religious tenet of plural marriage.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">But that belief has put him outside the law, 4th District Judge Donald J. Eyre said in ruling last fall that gave Kathleen Compton temporary custody of the couple&#8217;s four minor children, who range in age from 5 to 16. They also have four adult children.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Eyre ordered Compton, 49, to not &#8220;discuss polygamy or plural marriage with the minor children, allow the children to be in close proximity to those (other than himself) who practice polygamy or plural marriage or who aid or abet those who do.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Eyre also barred Compton from taking the children within the incorporated boundaries of Rocky Ridge, a community located in Juab County where the berry farmer and fundamentalists who practice plural marriage live.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Allowing the children to associate with residents there would entail &#8220;unnecessary and harmful conflict&#8221; with the children&#8217;s non-polygamous upbringing, the judge said in his findings.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Compton said he is unwilling to deny his beliefs. But that does not give the state leeway to trample his rights under Utah law or the U.S. Constitution, he said.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;I want to be able to speak freely, I want to be able to travel freely, I want to be able to answer my children&#8217;s questions freely,&#8221; Compton said. &#8220;I have sincerely held religious beliefs that others object to. That&#8217;s OK. But I can&#8217;t have my free choice? That is what I object to.&#8221;</p>
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<p><strong>Grave threat of harm? » </strong>Rocky Ridge, founded in 1972 and incorporated in 1996, has about 800 residents. A majority are members of the Apostolic United Brethren, also known as the Allred Group, which adheres to a fundamentalist version of Mormonism that includes plural marriage &#8212; which the sect only sanctions between consenting adults. The enclave includes homes, a private school, several businesses, an elk farm, a volunteer fire department and a church.</p>
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The constitutional and parental rights issues raised in the Compton divorce case have been the subject of similar legal proceedings in Utah and several other states.</p>
<p>A Chicago judge ruled earlier this month that a Catholic father can take his preschool-age daughter to Mass even though the girl&#8217;s mother is raising her in the Jewish faith, undoing a previous decision that barred him from taking her to any &#8220;non-Jewish religious activities.&#8221; The judge said there was no evidence exposure to other religious practices would harm the child.</p>
<p>In 2006, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania overturned a lower court decision that prohibited a father from sharing his Fundamentalist Mormon belief in polygamy with his minor daughter, finding that &#8220;illegality of the proposed conduct on its own is not sufficient to warrant the restriction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absent a finding that discussing such matters would pose a &#8220;grave threat of harm&#8221; to a child, there is insufficient basis for the infringing on constitutionally protected right of a parent to &#8220;speak to a child about religion as he or she sees fit,&#8221; the court wrote.</p>
<p>And the Utah Supreme Court ruled in 1991 that living in a plural family alone was not reason enough to prohibit a couple from adopting children of one plural wife after she died of cancer. Polygamy may be prohibited, but that does not mean the state must deny any or all civil rights to polygamists, wrote Chief Justice Christine Durham.</p>
<p>David O. Leavitt, who is representing Kathleen Compton, said Thursday that the Utah case is &#8220;very much going to become a battle over [Joseph Compton's] right to say what he wants and the mother&#8217;s right and society&#8217;s right to protect children.&#8221;</p>
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<p><strong>&#8220;An illegal lifestyle&#8221; » </strong>The Comptons, married nearly 27 years, built a home in Mona at the edge of Rocky Ridge in 2007 after moving to Utah from Missouri, where Compton&#8217;s scriptural studies first led him to see things &#8220;as they originally were.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet, like his wife, Compton considered himself &#8212; and still does &#8212; a faithful member of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, despite being excommunicated after his fundamentalist views were outed last summer in court proceedings.</p>
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<p>In her divorce petition, Kathleen Compton, 47, said she gave her husband an ultimatum after he sought her consent last year to take a second wife: He could choose his family or the new woman and polygamy.</p>
<p>Compton refused to abandon his beliefs, though he has not gone ahead with that spiritual marriage, he says.</p>
<p>In initial proceedings, Compton represented himself. He has now hired Salt Lake Attorney Daniel Irvin, who represented polygamist John Daniel Kingston in a child welfare case.</p>
<p>Leavitt, who, as Juab County Attorney, prosecuted polygamist Tom Green in 2000, argued in a hearing last summer that Compton&#8217;s beliefs were &#8220;an inappropriate and illegal lifestyle&#8221; and asked Eyre to prevent him from taking the children into the &#8220;geographic boundaries&#8221; of Rocky Ridge.</p>
<p>Leavitt also asked that Compton be barred from leaving the children &#8220;in the custody or in the presence of anyone other than [himself] who espouses religious beliefs regarding polygamy,&#8221; according to a hearing transcript.</p>
<p>Leavitt said it would be inappropriate to expose the children to a felonious lifestyle. And in Rocky Ridge, &#8220;a very high percentage of that community is violating that law,&#8221; Leavitt said as he urged Eyre to draw a line around the town.</p>
<p>&#8220;It seems to me that we defeat every purpose if we don&#8217;t keep those children outside the geographic boundaries of a place that is a known haven for polygamy,&#8221; Leavitt said during the hearing. &#8220;We wouldn&#8217;t let a child go into a known drug house for the same reason. They&#8217;re both felonies.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a telephone interview, Leavitt said he has a &#8220;difficult time with the argument that something that is a felony is not going to be found inherently dangerous to children.</p>
<p>&#8220;You first have to come at this with the understanding that bigamy is a felony, and if you know anything about Rocky Ridge you&#8217;ll understand that it is a well-known haven for bigamists,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Polygamy is a felony and it is in the best interest of children to keep them away from that kind of conduct.&#8221;<strong> </strong></p>
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<p><strong>&#8220;A good father&#8221; » </strong>During the hearing, Compton told Eyre he had no intention of pressuring his children to adopt his beliefs.</p>
<p>&#8220;I just want to be a good father and have the opportunity to be with them and associate with them,&#8221; he said, adding that, &#8220;there is nothing to show that teaching children the importance of plural celestial marriage is damaging.&#8221;</p>
<p>But Eyre adopted the restrictions proposed by Leavitt, saying they were in keeping with Kathleen Compton&#8217;s desire to &#8220;maintain a certain religious background.&#8221; The judge also included a requirement that visits with the children take place at his wife&#8217;s apartment in Utah County &#8212; something Compton argued would be a hardship.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not convenient for her or me,&#8221; said Compton, who has rented the couple&#8217;s home and is living with a monogamous couple and their children in Rocky Ridge. &#8220;[My children] ask me every time how much longer before they can come stay at my house. I want my visitation in my home. &#8221;</p>
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But Leavitt said Kathleen Compton believes her husband &#8220;very much&#8221; wants to indoctrinate his children in the fundamentalist version of Mormonism, which violates the family&#8217;s religious traditions.</p>
<p>&#8220;This woman wants her children protected from the influence of polygamists,&#8221; he said. &#8220;We should not get hung up on what a parent&#8217;s right of expression is and forget what the children&#8217;s right to safety is.&#8221;</p>
<p>- &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - -<br />
So, why do I say &#8216;idiot&#8217;? First, Utah has NO POLYGAMY STATUTES !!!!!!!!! Secondly, if the residents of Rocky Ridge are living in a &#8220;felonious lifestyle&#8221;, then Leavitt should get his prosecutor buddies to go in and ARREST THE FELONS. You and I both know he won&#8217;t, and they won&#8217;t. Why not? Because, even if Leavitt may not have read Lawrence v. Texas (June 2003), he knows that, since that decision, there is NO SUCH THING AS AN &#8220;illegal lifestyle&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sorry, but it just chaps me that he swaggers around chanting this hot-air B***S*** about people living an illegal lifestyle in an illegal place, teaching illegal ideas and raising their children in an illegal atmosphere. This was the substance of the issue in -</p>
<h3><a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/333/95/case.html">Musser v. Utah, 333 U.S. 95 (1948)</a></h3>
<p>in that opinion see also -<br />
<a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/333/95/case.html#T8">Footnote 8</a></p>
<p>&#8220;But even advocacy of violation, however reprehensible morally, is not a justification for denying free speech where the advocacy falls short of incitement and there is nothing to indicate that the advocacy would be immediately acted on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr. Justice Brandeis, concurring in <em>Whitney v. California,</em> <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/274/357/case.html">274 U. S. 357</a>, at <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/274/357/case.html#376">274 U. S. 376</a>.<br />
Utah wanted to punish Joseph Musser because, at the time, polygamy was seen as illegal and a threat to &#8220;public morals&#8221;, and Musser was seen as a criminal because he taught the principle of plural marriage in a religious context. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Musser&#8217;s favor because, inter alia, he was not inciting his listeners to go out and instantly commit crimes, and he had every right to complain about what he saw to be &#8220;bad laws&#8221; in an effort to seek justifiable redress of a valid grievance.</p>
<p>I invite Leavitt to read Lawrence and Musser. Either way, Davey, you are an idiot!</p>
<p>The pretty, stupid state of Utah really makes me sick sometimes. What a charade! What a farce! If you law enforcement tyrants really truly view the ten or more thousand polygamists in this state as FELONS, then why in the Dickens don&#8217;t you put your testes where your mouth is and go and arrest them? While you&#8217;re at it, show me where in Utah statutes the words &#8220;polygamy&#8221; or &#8220;plural marriage&#8221; are found.</p>
<p>Otherwise, SHUT UP and go back into your pathetic little anti-Mormon hole.</p>
<p>Leavitt alone, Davey !!!</p>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have recently come across a group called Reform Mormonisim. I thought their views were interesting and as I mentally answered some of their questions here I was surprised how much of it resonated with me. What I did feel in the end after reading much of their thoughts and material is why bother!! Why not become a nontheist Unitarian. Is it worth all the effort when there must be other religions very close to the same theology? Hopefully we can get someone from their church to answer that question I have added a poll to this and must apologize to those at Reform Mormonism and to the readers at Mormon Matters in that they are totally paraphrased and maybe (unintentionally )taken out of context. So please go here to see them on their web page. What they believe here Reform Mormonism is a home-based, personal philosophy. A day of rest is held wherever one is at; there are no church services. Reform Mormonism does have special temple ordinances, that are designed to aide a person throughout their life, that are conducted in dedicated temple spaces. Unlike the LDS, they do not perform any temple ordinance for the deceased. Reformed [...]]]></description>
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<p>I have recently come across a group called <a title="Reform  Mormonism" href="http://www.reformmormonism.org/index.html">Reform Mormonisim</a>. I thought their views were interesting and as I mentally answered some of their questions <a href="http://www.reformmormonism.org/lib/youmight.htm">here</a> I was surprised how much of it resonated with me.<span id="more-10920"></span></p>
<p>What I did feel in the end after reading much of their thoughts and material is why bother!! Why not become a nontheist Unitarian. Is it worth all the effort when there must be other religions very close to the same theology? Hopefully we can get someone from their church to answer that question</p>
<p>I have added a poll to this and must apologize to those at Reform Mormonism and to the readers at Mormon Matters in that they are totally paraphrased and maybe (unintentionally )taken out of context. So please go <a href="http://www.reformmormonism.org/lib/youmight.htm">here</a> to see them on their web page.</p>
<p>What they believe <a href="http://www.reformmormonism.org/whatwebelieve.htm">here</a></p>
<p>Reform Mormonism is a home-based, personal philosophy. A day of  rest is       held wherever one is at; there are no church services. Reform  Mormonism       does have special temple ordinances, that are designed to aide a  person       throughout their life, that are conducted in dedicated temple  spaces. Unlike       the LDS, they do not perform any temple ordinance for the deceased.</p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial">Reformed Mormonism are  individuals who have moved away from organized  religion and have       found peace and satisfaction in concentrating on the important  things in       life. We&#8217;re just like you &#8211; parents, children, brothers, sisters,  friends       and partners. We&#8217;ve settled on a personal philosophy that makes  sense in       the 21st century. It&#8217;s personal,  important, and best of all, it  isn&#8217;t       scary like so many churches these days.</span></p>
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		<title>What the Golden Rule Does NOT Say: or, &#8220;Jesus wouldn&#8217;t recognize that rationalization.&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my monthly New Year&#8217;s Resolutions last year was taken from Matthew 7:9-12, a slight change in my original plan. (See here.) These verses state: Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. The wording of my resolution was: &#8220;Treat others how I want to be treated.&#8221; I want to make one point here about something I have heard over the years. It is something that has bothered me over time, and I want to state up front what I believe this verse does NOT say &#8211; what I believe is a classic case of &#8220;wresting&#8221; scriptures and creating meaning that never was intended. I have heard it said of old (*grin*) that we should treat others in whatever way [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my monthly New Year&#8217;s Resolutions last year was taken from <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/7/9-12#9"><span style="color: #199d55;">Matthew 7:9-12</span></a>, a slight change in my original plan. <a href="http://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-years-resolution-2009.html"><span style="color: #199d55;">(See here.)</span></a> These verses state:</p>
<blockquote><p>Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? <strong>Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them</strong>: for this is the law and the prophets.</p></blockquote>
<p>The wording of my resolution was:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Treat others how I want to be treated.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I want to make one point here about something I have heard over the years. It is something that has bothered me over time, and <strong>I want to state up front what I believe this verse does NOT say</strong> &#8211; what I believe is a classic case of &#8220;wresting&#8221; scriptures and creating meaning that never was intended.<span id="more-10839"></span></p>
<p>I have heard it said of old (*grin*) that we should treat others in whatever way will help them best. After all, this reasoning goes, deep down they really want whatever is best &#8211; so if we know what is best for someone, we should do all we can to help them see, recognize, understand and accept that which is best for them. This argument asserts that it&#8217;s better to treat someone how they &#8220;really&#8221; want to be treated (often subconsciously) than to treat them how they &#8220;think&#8221; they want to be treated &#8211; that I, as an enlightened individual, know what is best for them and, therefore, I, as an enlightened individual, should treat them as if they were in my shoes.</p>
<p>To try to say it differently, this approach to &#8220;do unto others as you would have them do unto you&#8221; is based on you placing yourself in their situation and transferring your own hopes and dreams and expectations on them. While this might sound reasonable and even praiseworthy at first glance, there are at least three problems with this approach that I can see immediately:</p>
<p>1) It is used often as a justification for aggressive action, pressure and even compulsion. At the most extreme, it allowed those in charge of the Inquisition to torture people into confessing non-existent sins &#8211; since those doing the torturing were convinced they only were doing what was best for the person being tortured by &#8220;cleansing&#8221; them of sin and freeing them for a more benevolent judgment in the afterlife. At a more common level, it is used to justify constant and inconsiderate preaching and attempts to convert others &#8211; unfortunately, even among our own membership. Again, the reasoning is, &#8220;If I didn&#8217;t have the Gospel in my life, I would want someone to preach it to me even if I didn&#8217;t want to hear it.&#8221;</p>
<p>2) It totally ignores and discounts the actual desires of the other person &#8211; and illustrates an arrogance that is couched in terms of love but, literally, is judgmental and condescending. In essence, it says, &#8220;I know better than you what you need, and I&#8217;m never going to quit trying to make you see that, no matter what you want.&#8221;</p>
<p>3) It simply isn&#8217;t what is commanded in these verses &#8211; to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.</p>
<p>I want to finish with that last point, and I want to do so by placing each reader in the shoes of an active member of the LDS Church &#8211; and focusing on the reaction of nearly every LDS member who has a friend, family member, acquaintance or stranger who disagrees with Mormonism, has left the LDS Church, believes Mormons are not Christian and/or is saddened at the thought of Mormons ending up in Hell. If that person really is sincere in his concern, and if she really thought that constant badgering might convince you of the error of your ways, would you appreciate her preaching at you every time you were together? Would you appreciate her non-attendance at your wedding reception, since she believes your sealing in the temple is a sham and not recognized by God? Would you appreciate her constant, subtle (or blatant) warnings about your eternal condemnation? Deep down, on a very practical level, what would you really, truly want from her &#8211; how would you want her to &#8220;do unto you&#8221;?</p>
<p>I submit that all of us, at the most basic level, want little more than acceptance and respect and love for who we actually are &#8211; recognition that we are capable of making our own decisions &#8211; friendship that is genuine and not tied to certain conditions &#8211; etc. In other words, we want to be treated as equals &#8211; as important &#8211; as valuable &#8211; as legitimate deciders of our own fate, <strong>and we want that for who we ARE, not for who others want us to be.<br />
</strong><br />
So, the next time you start to say something to someone else, ask yourself, &#8220;How would I respond if someone said that, in that way, to me?&#8221; The next time you start to write a blog comment, ask yourself, &#8220;How would I respond if someone wrote that, in that way, to me?&#8221;. The next time you start to react to someone in any way, ask yourself, &#8220;How would I respond if someone reacted that way to me?&#8221; In summary, ask yourself:</p>
<blockquote><p>How would I feel if someone &#8220;did that unto me&#8221;?</p></blockquote>
<p>If you would thank God for that person&#8217;s words or actions, in the actual circumstances of your real life, &#8220;do so unto others&#8221;. If you would not thank God (or if you would need to pray for forgiveness) for your reaction to that person&#8217;s words or actions, don&#8217;t &#8220;do so unto others&#8221;. Finally, if you really would understand this principle, take one entire day and analyze everything according to this standard:</p>
<blockquote><p>How would I feel if someone &#8220;did that unto me&#8221;?</p></blockquote>
<p>If we really focused on that question, I have no doubt we would stop doing and saying much of what we do and say &#8211; and start doing and saying many things we currently do not say and do.</p>
<p>That was my resulotion that month &#8211; to treat others more as I <strong>actually </strong>want them to treat me.</p>
<p><em>Thoughts?  What am I missing that would support or weaken this interpretation of the Golden Rule?</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, do no harm Be kind Help others I see nothing but good coming from praying, reading the scriptures, and keeping the commandments. But it seems to me that these things give us an inner focus, while a main thrust of Jesus&#8217; message as Messiah was how we treat others. Since our primary concentration during Church instructional periods often centers around improvement of the self, we groom our members to become paragons of personal righteousness who may be lacking in their living of the social gospel. I first realized this when driving to Salt Lake City from Provo to pick up my parents from the airport. They were arriving to attend my temple marriage, or rather, the reception and ceremonies surrounding my temple marriage, since they were nonmembers. Our car broke down on the way there. It was a Sunday, and the highway was crowded with Mormons in suits and dresses, presumably on their way to Church related activities. None stopped for a young couple in distress. Back in 1981 no one carried cell phones, and we waited for about an hour and a half before a man in blue jeans and smoking a cigarette stopped his truck to assist [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>First, do no harm</h3>
<h3>Be kind</h3>
<h3>Help others</h3>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a>I see nothing but good coming from praying, reading the scriptures, and keeping the commandments.  But it seems to me that these things give us an inner focus, while a main thrust of Jesus&#8217; message as Messiah was how we treat others.  Since our primary concentration during Church instructional periods often centers around improvement of the self, we groom our members to become paragons of personal righteousness who may be lacking in their living of the social gospel.<span id="more-10738"></span></p>
<p>I first realized this when driving to Salt Lake City from Provo to pick up my parents from the airport.  They were arriving to attend my temple marriage, or rather, the reception and ceremonies surrounding my temple marriage, since they were nonmembers.  Our car broke down on the way there.  It was a Sunday, and the highway was crowded with Mormons in suits and dresses, presumably on their way to Church related activities.  None stopped for a young couple in distress.  Back in 1981 no one carried cell phones, and we waited for about an hour and a half before a man in blue jeans and smoking a cigarette stopped his truck to assist us.  The young convert BiV, just off her mission, was disillusioned that all of the fine Latter-day Saints of Utah would pass by while the &#8220;Samaritan&#8221; was the only one to stop.</p>
<p>I particularly feel a lack of empathy when members justify not giving to the less fortunate in their own circle of influence because they already pay their fast offering; or because they&#8217;ve decided that the bums don&#8217;t deserve it, are too lazy to get a job, or will spend it inappropriately anyway!</p>
<p>I know there are many things we do as Latter-day Saints that come under the category of &#8220;service.&#8221;  In the past few years I&#8217;ve seen service projects under the auspices of the Relief Society increase.  A popular service lately has been putting together humanitarian kits to go to schools, or to people in different parts of the world who have been devastated by natural disasters.  I don&#8217;t want to say these aren&#8217;t good things!  I absolutely don&#8217;t want to denigrate this type of service.  It&#8217;s hard to put together a service activity for a large number of people to do in this kind of context.  I guess I just want to point out that this is a service that is removed from personal contact.  It&#8217;s just right for an internet generation who is one step removed from real face-to-face contact with other human beings.  I see too many sisters who put together humanitarian kits, all the while gossiping about others in the ward.</p>
<p><a href="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/clbruno/womens2.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: hand; width: 520px;" src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m49/clbruno/womens2.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><br />
Some things I&#8217;ve seen in the Church that I think foster other-focused living of the gospel:  We were living in Texas in 2001 during Hurricane Allison.  Our home came through OK, but there were homes in our ward and stake which were completely destroyed.  On Sunday we showed up for sacrament meeting and the members of the Bishopric were dressed in jeans.  They dismissed the meetings and sent the members out to shovel out homes, rip up carpet, collect belongings and prepare food.  We started at the homes of members and spread out to the entire neighborhood.  I have never seen the youth work harder or feel more fulfilled.  Their faces were absolutely glowing with health, exertion, and pure joy in service.  These same members were so touched by this experience that a few years later when New Orleans was flooded they organized parties to drive down and spend their weekends assisting with the efforts there.  They brought with them food, shovels, and everything they needed to be completely self-sufficient while they were there plus contribute in a major way.</p>
<p>Mormons are actually quite good at this.  But huge disasters don&#8217;t happen every day.  What can we do to symbolically dismiss our members from Sacrament Meeting to go out and make a difference in the small disasters of people&#8217;s lives?  How can we send our members home from Sunday School not only to pray and read their scriptures, but to see the people around us and be kind to them?</p>
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		<title>The God of the OT vs. the Golden Calf</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #14 Sometimes I have a hard time with the Jehovah of the Old Testament. I&#8217;m not always sure how much of the anger, retribution, and striking people dead for their sins came from Him, or from the interpretation of His will by the designated prophet. Take the Golden Calf story in Exodus 32, covered in SS Lesson #14. When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with the stone tablets in his hands and saw the people singing, dancing, and playing, he had a big fit. He threw the tablets down on the ground and broke them. He burnt the golden calf they had made and killed three thousand men. According to Joseph Smith, there went the ancient Hebrews&#8217; chance to have the ordinances of the Melchizedek Priesthood! I wonder what would have happened if Moses had been a little less vindictive on God&#8217;s behalf. I attempt to explore this scenario in the following poem: Your Golden Calf &#8212; And Mine With justice stern, No Moses, I &#8211; Descending from Mt. Sinai to decimate your golden calf. I&#8217;m not a prophet, sir, I laugh! But&#8230; tell me of your God, instead, This gold you&#8217;ve shaped, Your wine and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #14</strong></big></p>
<p>Sometimes I have a hard time with the Jehovah of the Old Testament.  I&#8217;m not always sure how much of the anger, retribution, and striking people dead for their sins came from Him, or from the interpretation of His will by the designated prophet.<span id="more-10390"></span></p>
<p>Take the Golden Calf story in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ex/32">Exodus 32</a>, covered in <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8a25c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">SS Lesson #14</a>.  When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with the stone tablets in his hands and saw the people singing, dancing, and playing, he had a big fit.  He threw the tablets down on the ground and broke them.  He burnt the golden calf they had made and killed three thousand men.  According to Joseph Smith, there went the ancient Hebrews&#8217; chance to have the ordinances of the Melchizedek Priesthood!</p>
<p>I wonder what would have happened if Moses had been a little less vindictive on God&#8217;s behalf.  I attempt to explore this scenario in the following poem:</p>
<p><big><strong><span style="color: #64679b;">Your Golden Calf &#8212; And Mine</span></strong></big></p>
<p><big><span style="color: #64679b;"> </span></big></p>
<p><big><span style="color: #64679b;">With justice stern,<br />
No Moses, I &#8211;<br />
Descending from Mt. Sinai to decimate your golden calf.<br />
I&#8217;m not a prophet, sir, I laugh!<br />
But&#8230; tell me of your God, instead,<br />
This gold you&#8217;ve shaped,<br />
Your wine and bread.<br />
How have you built it?<br />
What appeals to you?<br />
What myst&#8217;ries it reveals?<br />
Perhaps I&#8217;ll tell you of my climb up Sinai,<br />
How I saw divine phalanges shining in the sun,<br />
The glory of an Holy One.<br />
In safe discourse you&#8217;ll have me see<br />
The glorious opportunity your idol sends,<br />
To sing, to dance!<br />
While I, thus taught, have equal chance.<br />
This fraternal state we&#8217;re in tells you licentiousness and sin<br />
Is not the best way (generally) to show<br />
Religious ecstasy.<br />
Unveiled: my God, an image too &#8211;<br />
A mirror of my heart,<br />
A true reflection of the judgment there.<br />
If we&#8217;ll but fall in prostrate prayer,<br />
Each others&#8217; hearts will bleed to view &#8211;<br />
The sacred within me and you.</span></big></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://www.leeporterart.com/Exodus-GoldenCalf_lg.jpg" alt="" width="540" height="374" /></p>
<p>Do you think it was necessary for the Old Testament Jehovah to strike so many people dead for their sins?  The<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ex/32/27-28#27"> idolaters</a>, the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+sam+6:6-7&amp;do=Search">disobedient</a>, the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=num+11:1&amp;do=Search">complainers</a>, even the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=deut+7:1-2&amp;do=Search">people</a> who dwelt in the land of Canaan before the Israelites?  Why was it important then, and why doesn&#8217;t God kill the covenant people who are disobedient today?  How much of the violence of the Old Testament came from God, and how much can be attributed to the excesses of people who were acting in His name?  Did Moses shape a &#8220;golden calf&#8221; too?</p>
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		<title>Joseph and Muhammad</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been fascinated by other religions! The cultures, customs, and beliefs vary wildly from religion to religion, and yet, so many have common threads, stories, and ideals. I recently read a biography of Muhammad &#8220;Muhammad, A Prophet For Our Time&#8221; by Karen Armstrong. It was a fascinating read and I learned a great deal about this ancient prophet. I must admit that most of my thoughts while reading the book revolved around the parallels to Joseph Smith and the early saints. Frankly, I find the similarities startling in one sense, and yet unsurprising in another. On the one hand, the similarities feel so extraordinary to me that I cannot understand how I could possibly believe in Joseph Smith&#8217;s story and reject Muhammad&#8217;s (or truthfully that I never even gave it a chance). On the other hand, this is the story of the mystics and visionaries of the world. Their methods, works, books, and revelations are very similar and the truths they bring forth have striking similarities. Here is a list of similarities that I found while reading this biography. Muhammad, like Joseph Smith did not seem to necessarily ask for the role he eventually took on. Their journeys initiated [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/islam.gif"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-10363" title="islam" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/islam-295x300.gif" alt="" width="295" height="300" /></a>I have been fascinated by other religions!  The cultures, customs, and beliefs vary wildly from religion to religion, and yet, so many have common threads, stories, and ideals.</p>
<p>I recently read a biography of Muhammad &#8220;Muhammad, A Prophet For Our Time&#8221; by Karen Armstrong.  It was a fascinating read and I learned a great deal about this ancient prophet.</p>
<p>I must admit that most of my thoughts while reading the book revolved around the parallels to Joseph Smith and the early saints.  Frankly, I find the similarities startling in one sense, and yet unsurprising in another.  On the one hand, the similarities feel so extraordinary to me that I cannot understand how I could possibly believe in Joseph Smith&#8217;s story and reject Muhammad&#8217;s (or truthfully that I never even gave it a chance).  On the other hand, this is the story of the mystics and visionaries of the world.  Their methods, works, books, and revelations are very similar and the truths they bring forth have striking similarities.<span id="more-10361"></span></p>
<p>Here is a list of similarities that I found while reading this biography.</p>
<ol>
<li>Muhammad, like Joseph Smith did not seem to necessarily ask for the role he eventually took on.  Their journeys initiated with simple questions, desires, and events that seem ordinary, but resulted in the extraordinary.  In both scenarios, these men seemed to be rather surprised by their visions and revelations.</li>
<li>Both men brought forth inspired books given to them by an angel.  Many claim that the Qur&#8217;an could be nothing if not divine based entirely on the language alone.  This does not sound too unlike Joseph&#8217;s claim of The Book of Mormon being &#8220;the most correct book on earth.&#8221;  One difference, however, is that Muhammad did seem to recognize more fully the importance of the Qur&#8217;an.  In other words, the Qur&#8217;an was what defined Islam, as it was a compilation of the revelations Muhammad had received (not unlike the Doctrine and Covenants).  Joseph, on the other hand, didn&#8217;t seem to put quite as much emphasis on The Book of Mormon, almost to the point where one has to wonder whether Joseph really understood what was in The Book of Mormon and the impact it would have.  On the other hand, Joseph, like Muhammad, did seem to put a large emphasis on his revelations.</li>
<li>Both Joseph and Muhammad seemed to slowly grow into their calling.  In Mormonism, I find there are many people who ostensibly think that Joseph knew what he was doing from the get-go.  In fact, revelations to both men came at spontaneous times and left the men wondering how to enact, or implement the revelation.  They had to learn and grow in wisdom and understanding as pieces of their theology came to them.  In short, both prophets learned and authored the concepts of &#8220;line upon line&#8221; within their culture.</li>
<li>Both men tell a similar tale of receiving revelation.  Note the similarities between Armstrong&#8217;s characterization of Muhammad and some of the descriptions of Joseph Smith receiving revelation.  Here are Armstrong&#8217;s words:<br />
<blockquote><p>Under the inspiration of Allah, Muhammad was feeling his way towards an entirely new solution, convinced that he was not speaking in his own name, but was simply repeating the revealed words of God.  It was a painful, difficult process.  He once said: &#8216;Never once did I receive a revelation without thinking that my soul had been torn away from me.&#8217;  Sometimes the message was clear.  He could almost see and hear Gabriel distinctly.  The words seemed to &#8216;come down&#8217; to him, like a shower of life-giving rain.  But often the divine voice was muffled and obscure: &#8216;Sometimes it comes unto me like the reverberations of a bell, and that is the hardest upon me; the reverberations abate when I am aware of their message.&#8217;  He had to listen to the undercurrent of events, trying to discover what was really going on.  He would grow pale with the effort and cover himself with his cloak, as if to shield himself from the divine impact.  He would perspire heavily, even on a cold day, as he turned inwards, searching his soul for a solution to a problem, in rather the same way as a poet has to open himself to the words that he must haul from the depths of himself to the conscious level of his mind.  In the Qur&#8217;an, God instructed Muhammad to listen intently to each revelation as it emerged; he must be careful not to impose a meaning on a verse prematurely, before its full significance had become entirely clear.&#8221; &#8211; pp. 56 &#8211; 57</p></blockquote>
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<li>Both Joseph and Muhammad became generals (basically).  While Muhammad was certainly more violent in achieving his goals, both men resorted to militias and violence to retain their rights of freedom to worship.  Additionally, I think that Muhammad&#8217;s increased use of violence was primarily a product of his time and culture.  It was not uncommon to raid camps, caravans, and cities merely to prove a point and gain favor with a certain tribe.  In all fairness, Joseph&#8217;s violence was most often in self-defense, whereas Muhammad was clearly on the offensive at times.</li>
<li>Both men worked fervently against their culture to bring to pass their ideals.  In other words, both men seemed to be ahead of their time socially, and culturally, and dreamed of a society that many resisted.  In fact, these utopian societies had similarities.  Both dreamed of a society in which divisions between classes were blurred, or removed, where universal human rights were respected.  Both wanted all things to be equal, and for there to be peace and harmony amongst all people.  In fact, the commonalities of their desired societies seem to exist among religious leaders of many times and places, including Gandhi, and the Dalai Lama.</li>
<li>Both pushed against cultural norms for women and instituted polygamy as part of their respective theologies.  Ironically, (depending on your point of view) both men also instituted polygamy which had a tremendous effect on the cultural norms for women.  In the case of Muhammad, his treatment of his many wives set a new precedent of respect that men ought to have for their wives.  And Muhammad&#8217;s primary reason for polygamy was to provide care for the numerous widows created during war.  Furthermore, in the Qur&#8217;an women are revered and held up as important figures in society.  Clearly Joseph instituted polygamy as well although his reasons are much less clear (depending on your point of view).  Whether or not this had the same uplifting effect upon women is certainly debatable and a matter of opinion, but Joseph certainly attempted to influence the culture for women by his creation of the Relief Society with a number of powers and privileges.</li>
<li>The followers of both men were fiercely loyal, perhaps to a fault in the eyes of many.  On the other hand, that seems to be what is needed in order for such religions to grow and become large movements.  Both religions seemed to divide families and create intense hatred among their opponents.  It seems to be a direct product of the brilliance of their respective leaders in combatting that hatred that allowed their ideas to progress to later stages of development and continue to the present day.</li>
<li>Both men led their followers away from their original location due to persecution (&#8220;No prophet is accepted in his own country.&#8221; Luke 4:24).</li>
<li>Both men got involved in politics and were successful.  For Muhammad the politics were mostly inter-tribal, and Muhammad initially used violence (although later he used peaceful methods) to coerce the politics in Mecca and Medina to his liking.  Joseph was mayor of Nauvoo, and eventually even tried his hand at the presidential elections.  I wonder if this similarity is caused by being the leader of a growing religious faction, or whether the two men were just so charismatic that the &#8220;shoe fit&#8221; as it were.</li>
<li>Needless to say, both men had many many attempts on their lives, as they both a large number of enemies, both politically, and within their own group.  One significant difference is that Joseph&#8217;s enemies eventually did succeed in their attempts.  Muhammad, in contrast, lived until an old age and died in the arms of his favorite wife.</li>
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<p>Although theologically Islam and Mormonism are very different, the characteristics of their founders, and nature of the initial followers have striking similarities.</p>
<p>So what think ye readers?  Why do you lend your beliefs/souls/trust/etc. to Joseph Smith&#8217;s claims and reject Muhammad&#8217;s?  Or do you?  Or do you believe that Muhammad only had partial light and knowledge (despite the fact that Islam and Mormonism are radically different)?</p>
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		<title>Comparing Religious Observance: Mormons and Jews</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it would be interesting to map the religious observance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) and the Jews. I’ve recently heard some podcasts and read some posts talking around this issue, so I thought, since I have at least one foot in each religion, I might give it a try. BIG, GIANT DISCLAIMER: This is very GENERAL. It is not meant to apply to everyone. Some areas may be different for an individual. I am willing to discuss where you think I might have gotten it wrong, but please realize the GENERAL nature of it all. First a few paragraphs of explanation. The LDS faith is a relatively young (180 years old) religion and is governed from a very centralized structure. Judaism, on the other hand, is much older (anywhere from 6000 to 3500 years, depending on who you ask and what you consider the start of Judaism).  Since the destruction of the Temple, it is very decentralized and there are only a few groups with any kind of centralized structure. I divided the tables along the different groups of Judaism and overlaid Mormons to it. So definitions of the various groupings are in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it would be interesting to map the religious observance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) and the Jews. I’ve recently heard some podcasts and read some posts talking around this issue, so I thought, since I have at least one foot in each religion, I might give it a try.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">BIG, GIANT DISCLAIMER</span>: This is very GENERAL. It is not meant to apply to everyone. Some areas may be different for an individual. I am willing to discuss where you think I might have gotten it wrong, but please realize the GENERAL nature of it all.</strong></span></p>
<p>First a few paragraphs of explanation.</p>
<p>The LDS faith is a relatively young (180 years old) religion and is governed from a very centralized structure. Judaism, on the other hand, is much older (anywhere from 6000 to 3500 years, depending on who you ask and what you consider the start of Judaism).  Since the destruction of the Temple, it is very decentralized and there are only a few groups with any kind of centralized structure.</p>
<p>I divided the tables along the different groups of Judaism and overlaid Mormons to it. So definitions of the various groupings are in order.<strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Judaism </span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Orthodox </span></strong>– The strictest of the Jewish divisions. They are divided into three distinct groups:  Modern Orthodox Judaism and Haredi Judaism, and Hasidic sects. Also important in those divisions is where the Jews are Ashkenazic (mainly from Northern and Eastern Europe) or Sephardic (from Southern Europe, Africa and the Middle East). They follow different Rabbis and different interpretation of the Law. They are the most conservative of the Jewish groups and believe they follow the laws as given anciently. Women are held in a traditional role and do not openly participate in the worship services or have any role as a worship leaders. Priesthood, while largely ceremonial plays a role in worship services</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Conservative</span> – </strong>This group represents the largest group of Jews and the name can be deceiving.  It does not imply conservatism as applied to politics, but it is an effort to “conserve” Jewish tradition through modernization of its teachings and practices. Begun in Germany in the 1850s, it strives to apply modern principles but traditional in practice.  More liberal than Orthodox, it has no central leadership or specific declaration of belief. It would rather be known as Masorti or Traditional Judaism because of the confusion over the name conservative. Women have a much larger role in this movement and are allowed to be Rabbis, Cantors and perform all the rites of the faith the same as men. Priesthood, while also ceremonial, plays a role in Worship services</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Reform</span></strong> &#8211; Traces its origins to the early 20<sup>th</sup> century in Europe and the US. It is the most liberal wing of the faith and values autonomy, modernity and universalism. The reform movement in Judaism challenged many traditionalist Jewish doctrines, adapted or eliminated practices, and introduced its own theological and communal innovations. It was the first group to offer full participation to women in its leadership and religious worship. Priesthood usually plays no role in worship services.  Orthodox Jews do not even recognize the movement as being Jewish.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Mormonism</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Conservative </span></strong>– Those Mormons who fully embrace the faith, its teachings, practices and traditions. They may adhere to traditions which might not have real scripture basis and have a very strict interpretation of Sabbath practices, scripture study and prayer.  They follow the words of the leaders as closely as possible. There may be little to no questioning of doctrines and practices. They try to do everything possible to lives the Gospel fully as they understand it. Very active.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Middle of the Road</span></strong> – Fully embraces the faith, its teachings, practices and cultural traditions. May question certain traditions as relevant in modern times and might be flexible on Sabbath adherence such as TV viewing, clothing (not wearing Sunday clothes all day). They might have a lot of questions about gospel doctrine and past practices but general manage to have a strong testimony. Active in Church and callings.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">Liberal</span></strong> – These folks might embrace the gospel fully but with big questions about certain beliefs. They might also reject certain doctrine as being not fully explainable or in line with scripture or history. They question the words of leaders and apply those things which they understand have real value to their lives. They might reject some “advice” or teachings.  Most liberal Mormons still attend some or all Church meetings, but do not always find satisfaction in the meeting content or the lessons. The gamut ranges from active to very less active. Less sure of the one true nature of the LDS Church. Might be known as New Order, Cafeteria or Buffet Mormons.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our guest poster, Jason M. Brown is a life-long &#8216;Niblian&#8217; Mormon who grew up in Southern California. He served an LDS mission from 2001-2003 in the Dominican Republic, Santiago Mission. He attended Brigham Young University where he studied anthropology and international development. He is currently working on two master&#8217;s degrees at Yale University in Forestry and Theology. Jason is also regular contributor to The Mormon Worker Blog, www.themormonworker.wordpress.com and The Mormon Worker Newspaper, www.themormonworker.org. He can be reached at jason.brown@yale.edu I’ve been kicking this post around in my mind for a while now so it came as no surprise when I found a Gallop Poll article entitled “Mormons Most Conservative Major Religious Group in U.S.” A whopping 59% of active Mormons consider themselves conservative; another 31% moderate, and only 8% liberal. In addition, 16% of active Mormons consider themselves “very” conservative, compared with only 1% as “very” liberal. What surprised and saddened me even more than this disproportionate political bias was not that a majority of Mormons (inside and outside Utah) are conservative, but that 61% percent of “lapsed Mormons” (those who self-identify with Mormonism but seldom attend church meetings) consider themselves liberal or moderate; liberal “lapsed Mormons” are 20% alone. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Our guest poster, Jason M. Brown is a life-long &#8216;Niblian&#8217; Mormon who grew up in Southern  California. He served an LDS mission from 2001-2003 in the Dominican  Republic, Santiago Mission. He attended Brigham Young University where  he studied anthropology and international development. He is currently  working on two master&#8217;s degrees at Yale University in Forestry and  Theology. Jason is also regular contributor to The Mormon Worker Blog, </em><a href="http://www.themormonworker.wordpress.com/" target="_blank"><em>www.themormonworker.wordpress.com</em></a><em> and The Mormon Worker Newspaper, </em><a href="http://www.themormonworker.org/" target="_blank"><em>www.themormonworker.org</em></a><em>. He can be reached at <a href="mailto:jason.brown@yale.edu">jason.brown@yale.edu</a></em></p>
<p>I’ve been kicking this post around in my mind for a while now so it came as no surprise when I found a Gallop Poll article entitled “Mormons Most Conservative Major Religious Group in U.S.” A whopping 59% of active Mormons consider themselves conservative; another 31% moderate, and only 8% liberal. In addition, 16% of active Mormons consider themselves “very” conservative, compared with only 1% as “very” liberal.</p>
<p>What surprised and saddened me even more than this disproportionate political bias was not that a majority of Mormons (inside and outside Utah) are conservative, but that 61% percent of “lapsed Mormons” (those who self-identify with Mormonism but seldom attend church meetings) consider themselves liberal or moderate; liberal “lapsed Mormons” are 20% alone. So that means, that 6 out of every ten people who do not regularly attend church, yet maintain ties, do not identify with the Republican Party or the conservative movement. These statistics do not count the thousands of people who have left the church permanently or no longer identify themselves with Mormonism due to feeling isolated, alienated or estranged by the politically conservative majority.</p>
<p>Following are a few personal experiences and ideas about how liberal and radical Mormons can begin to turn the tide on this state of affairs and make the church a safe space for those of us who do not self-identify as conservative or Republican.<span id="more-10251"></span></p>
<p>First and foremost, those of us with radical or liberal worldviews (I myself most closely identify with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism">libertarian socialism</a>), must not be afraid to speak up, put forth and defend radical and liberal interpretation of the Gospel in our meetings, and actively challenge interpretations that we disagree with. Could it be that the growth of the Mormon “Bloggernacle” in recent years has been a result of those of us too afraid or timid to speak up in Sunday School, Relief Society or Priesthood? Now, for some of us speaking up in church may sound like a daunting task, and indeed depending on who is teaching it can be; there is very seldom much time, and sometimes the topics come with a lot of cultural and historical baggage. Perhaps many of us have not spoken up during church because we fear that it will create contention or that we will be looked down upon. Although I am not exempt from biting my tongue in church, or letting a Republican talking point pass for a Gospel principle, I am almost always pleasantly surprised when I do choose to speak my mind during church meetings.</p>
<p>For example, during the Proposition 8 debate in California I was visiting my hometown in Southern California. I attended church. It happened to be testimony meeting and member after member was getting up to praise the wisdom of the proposition and expound the threats that its failure would present to the Church and the family. As I sat taking this in, my pulse quickened, my heart raced, and before I knew it I was in front of my childhood ward (including the area authority) denouncing the Proposition. I spoke from the heart, and as my voice shook, I declared that as a Christian my primary responsibility was to the Sermon on the Mount and that I believed it to be bad politics to get involved in a civil rights issue which would inevitably put us on the wrong side of justice (again). When the meeting was over, I was mobbed by old friends, scout leaders, Priests’ Quorum advisors, and new members. Many agreed with me, some thought I was crazy, some strongly disagreed with me; but they all expressed loved for me and wanted to thank me for expressing my heartfelt convictions. One woman, who stayed at a distance until all the others were gone, came and with tears in her eyes thanked me. She was a new member, and her son is gay. She had been feeling so alone and conflicted about the church’s involvement in this issue. We talked, hugged, and she left with a smile. On that day I had spoken my mind on a very controversial topic and although many members did not agree with my interpretation of the Gospel, I left the meeting feeling fulfilled and part of a community that loved me.</p>
<p>This is the climate that I know can exist in wards all over the world, but that many of us are afraid to bring about. I tell this story because I strongly believe that there is a place both in the Gospel and the Church for radicals and liberals. We can still be of one heart and one mind while disagreeing on the particulars of interpretation and application of Gospel principles.</p>
<p>Another personal experience: During Sunday School here in New Haven, Connecticut where I currently attend church, we were on the topic of helping the poor. This was a few weeks before President Monson decided to include helping the poor and needy in the now four-fold Church mission. A woman visiting the ward said that she and her husband had worked with homeless people and believed that it was wrong to give them anything because this deprived them of the opportunity to pull themselves up by their boot straps and take personal responsibility for their own bad choices; and besides, any money given to homeless people would inevitably be spent on booze anyway, so why support their immoral habits? Now, I personally have tremendous respect for the appeal to personal responsibility that many of my Republican and conservative friends make when discussing issues of social justice and poverty. However, this sister did not understand what the scriptures plainly teach concerning those who would seek our aid. So, in a calm fashion I raised my hand, and began reading the words of King Benjamin in Mosiah 4.</p>
<p>“17 Perhaps thou shalt say; The man has brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just—18 But I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God. 19 For behold, are we not all beggars?&#8230;”</p>
<p>King Benjamin here is uttering a strong condemnation of those of us who would refuse to give of our substance to the poor. However, the sister articulated a very common view in our society that poor people are poor because of bad choices. However, the radical Christ calls us to repentance. If someone asks of us, we must give; even if we can smell the alcohol on their breath. But this is not all. As Joseph Smith makes clear, we are to be actively engaged in a good cause (D &amp; C 58:27), and working toward a society where there are no poor among us (Moses 7:18). Meaning, we are not just to give a regular fast offering, or a couple bucks to the guy outside the supermarket, but actively working toward a society where the structural and root causes of poverty are eliminated. We disagree on the appropriate institutional scale of implementing such a task in society, but nevertheless we are incontrovertible called to the task. The Sermon on the Mount, 3 Nephi, King Benjamin, the D &amp; C, indeed the entire Book of Mormon all contain radical critiques of social inequality, seeking wealth for wealth’s sake and contain numerous admonitions to radical Christ-like love and economic cooperation. Sorry, Brother Beck, but social justice is the essence of the Gospel, and the fact that someone like Glenn Beck can read the same scriptures as me and not see that is appalling.</p>
<p>One might ask if I would simply flip the Gallop Poll statistic for a 60% liberal slant. My simple answer is no; what I really want is to see a healthy proportion of all political and social viewpoints; one that doesn’t automatically exclude social justice, preemptive war, the environment, or helping the poor as Gospel topics because they are too “political” while piously rallying the troops around “moral” issues such as prayer in school, abortion or gay marriage. That is a double standard that is only possible because of a overwhelming <em>politically</em> conservative bias by Church members and hence church programs. I am calling for this because it is in the tension between ideas that truth is found; as Lehi says to Jacob: “For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things, for if it were not so…righteousness could not be brought to pass” (2 Nephi 2:11). A diverse and healthy representation of political and social interpretations of the Gospel will lead us closer to true principles than close-minded political or religious dogmatism.</p>
<p>Brothers and sisters, do not allow conservative politics to pass as neutral theology, it is dishonest at best, and destructive at worst. It is driving good people out of the church and becomes a positive feedback loop: the more conservative the church culture becomes, the less tolerable it is for liberals and radicals. So, to all of you Beck-ites out there, this is our church too and we are not leaving.</p>
<p><strong>Here are a few ideas for shifting Mormon culture: </strong></p>
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<li>Participate in <strong>Mormon May Day</strong> on May 1-2. See <a href="http://www.mormonmayday.org/">www.mormonmayday.org</a> for more      details in the coming days</li>
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<li>If you haven’t already, read      <em>Approaching Zion</em> by Mormon      scholar Hugh Nibley</li>
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<li>Then, give <em>Approaching Zion</em> as a gift to at      least one person this year</li>
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<li>Begin to compile a list of      your favorite scriptures on social, environmental, and political topics</li>
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<li>Start a discussion group</li>
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<li>Set a personal goal to      make at least one comment in your church classes</li>
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<li>Invite a less active radical      or liberal member to your house for dinner to see if you share similar      views</li>
</ul>
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<li>Visit <a href="http://www.themormonworker.org/">www.themormonworker.org</a> for a      radical approach to Mormon theology and consider subscribing</li>
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		<title>The Seder, Social Justice, and Leroy Jessop</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #13 At a Passover Seder this week, President Barack Obama&#8217;s message to American Jews focused on social justice. Obama said that the message of the Exodus teaches of oppression to be fought and freedom to be won, and that we all have a responsibility to fight against suffering and discrimination wherever we find it. Some Jewish journalists discussing the remarks saw them as a veiled reprimand against Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory. Others heartily agreed that Jews should be particularly sensitive to oppression. The American Prospect&#8217;s Adam Serwer enthused: &#8220;I&#8217;ve viewed Passover as an opportunity not just to reflect on the historical oppression of my own people but on the suffering of others in the present day&#8230; Passover doesn&#8217;t exist merely for Jews to congratulate ourselves on our continued existence &#8212; although that is no mean feat. The reminder that we were once slaves in Egypt is meant to make us consider contemporary questions of justice&#8230; If you&#8217;re unable to take away from Passover an understanding of your own role as a Jew in fighting the injustice done to other people who do not also happen to be Jewish, the experience is meaningless.&#8221; It could be that [...]]]></description>
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<p>At a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us/politics/28seder.html">Passover Seder</a> this week, President Barack Obama&#8217;s message to American Jews focused on social justice.  Obama said that the message of the Exodus teaches of oppression to be fought and freedom to be won, and that we all have a responsibility to fight against suffering and discrimination wherever we find it.  Some Jewish journalists discussing the remarks saw them as a veiled reprimand against Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.  Others heartily agreed that Jews should be particularly sensitive to oppression.  The American Prospect&#8217;s <a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=03&amp;year=2010&amp;base_name=wingnuts_across_the_ocean">Adam Serwer</a> enthused:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve viewed Passover as an opportunity not just to reflect on the historical oppression of my own people but on the suffering of others in the present day&#8230; Passover doesn&#8217;t exist merely for Jews to congratulate ourselves on our continued existence &#8212; although that is no mean feat. The reminder that we were once slaves in Egypt is meant to make us consider contemporary questions of justice&#8230;  If you&#8217;re unable to take away from Passover an understanding of your own role as a Jew in fighting the injustice done to other people who do not also happen to be Jewish, the experience is meaningless.&#8221;<span id="more-10226"></span></p></blockquote>
<p>It could be that the symbolic elements of the Jewish Passover are more meaningful to Mormons than to any religious group outside the Jews themselves.  We recognize the emblems of the Seder to be representative of the Messiah who came in the incarnation of Jesus Christ.  The <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8ff3c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">lesson material</a> includes several connections between descriptions of the Passover in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ.  It was during a Passover seder that Jesus proclaimed that the meal represented Himself and that He was instituting the New Covenant, which is celebrated by Christians in the form of the sacrament of the Lord&#8217;s Supper.  Elder Jeffrey R. Holland admonished Latter-day Saints to view this sacrament as <em>our</em> passover, remembrance of <em>our</em> safety and deliverance and redemption.</p>
<p>In addition, Mormons experienced their own Exodus when they were led out of the boundaries of the United States by their &#8220;<a href="http://www.timelineindex.com/content/view/2758">American Moses</a>,&#8221; Brigham Young.  Leonard J. Arrington subtitled his biography of Young &#8220;American Moses,&#8221; explaining:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Brigham was the same sort of a leader as Moses in serving people for a long period of time, in achieving their goal of entering into a kingdom blessed by God&#8230; Brigham was something for us that Moses was for the people of Israel. He led his people figuratively and quite literally, and they survived because of that leadership and their faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>I do think the epic stories which identify the early Mormons and the children of Israel as a people persecuted for their religious convictions are meaningful. Obama&#8217;s exhortation to use this as a motivator to fight injustice rings true to my &#8220;Latter-day Israelite&#8221; heart.  And this is why I&#8217;ve identified so strongly with the plight of the FLDS men of the Yearning for Zion ranch in Texas who are now being sentenced for their plural marriages.  I don&#8217;t expect any of the readers here at Mormon Matters to agree with me on this.  But I&#8217;m sad that the justice system is sending hard-working, religiously-motivated men to prison, depriving their young wives and children of their loving care.  I often wonder why we, with the heritage we have of being misunderstood for our unusual marital practices, are not more sympathetic to the men who have been sentenced this month.  <img class="alignright" src="http://www.oag.state.tx.us/newspubs/releases/2008/072808jessop_merril.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="250" />In particular, I speak of Merril Leroy Jessop, who was sentenced March 19th to a 75-year prison sentence and $10,000 fine.  To me, this seems a clear case of religious discrimination and oppression. Jessop was accused of having sex with a girl who was 15 years old when he was 31 and already married. Even if you think these men are criminals who deserve to be punished and  these young women are victims, the sentence is excessive.  A <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_and_punishment">Wikipedia article</a> states that the average sentence for convicted rapists was 11.8 years, while the actual time served was 5.4 years. What sets this case apart from many other similar situations? The prosecution asked the jury to send a message to a collective group of people, to make the price so high to dissuade others from doing the same.  This is unconstitutional and in my eyes constitutes religious persecution.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to go on about this particular case &#8212; it&#8217;s only one example of what I see as injustice and oppression, and there are of course many more.  But I do appreciate President Obama&#8217;s invitation to connect Exodus and the Passover story with social justice.  I thought I&#8217;d share with you what&#8217;s going through my mind during this Passover week, and what I&#8217;ll be thinking of as LDS Sunday School classes comfortably discuss Moses.</p>
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		<title>Jacob&#8217;s Ladder: More on Faith Vs. Works</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #10 Though it&#8217;s only an &#8220;additional teaching idea&#8221; in Lesson 12, Jacob&#8217;s ladder has captured my imagination due to some conversations I&#8217;ve recently had with Christian evangelicals. Jacob&#8217;s Dream woodcut, Lubeck Bible 1494 The theme of the ladder to heaven is often used by the Early Church Fathers. Their interpretations of Jacob&#8217;s symbolic dream in Genesis 28 are similar to those made by Mormon General Authorities. In the 2nd century, Saint Irenaeus described the Christian Church as the ladder of ascent to God. In the 3rd century Origen explained that there are two ladders in the Christian life; one of which is the ladder that the soul climbs on the earth increasing the virtues. In the 4th century Saint Gregory of Nazianzus spoke of ascending Jacob&#8217;s Ladder by successive steps towards excellence, interpreting thus the ladder as an ascetic path, while Saint Gregory of Nyssa wrote that Moses climbed on Jacob&#8217;s Ladder to reach the heavens where he entered the tabernacle not made with hands, thus giving to the Ladder a clear mystical meaning. The ascetic interpretation is found also in Saint John Chrysostom who wrote: &#8220;And so mounting as it were by steps, let us get [...]]]></description>
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<p>Though it&#8217;s only an &#8220;additional teaching idea&#8221; in<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=0545c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD"> Lesson 12</a>, Jacob&#8217;s ladder has captured my imagination due to some conversations I&#8217;ve recently had with Christian evangelicals.</p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" href="http://www.ancientworlds.net/aworlds_media/ibase_1/00/09/57/00095701_000.jpg"><img src="http://www.ancientworlds.net/aworlds_media/ibase_1/00/09/57/00095701_000.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="640" height="339" /></a></div>
<div style="text-align: center;"><small>Jacob&#8217;s Dream woodcut, Lubeck Bible 1494<span id="more-10028"></span></small></div>
<p>The theme of the ladder to heaven is often used by the Early Church Fathers. Their interpretations of Jacob&#8217;s symbolic dream in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/28/10-19#10">Genesis 28</a> are similar to those made by Mormon General Authorities. In the 2nd century, Saint Irenaeus described the Christian Church as the <em>ladder of ascent to God</em>. In the 3rd century Origen explained that there are two ladders in the Christian life; one of which is the  ladder that the soul climbs on the earth increasing the virtues. In the 4th century Saint Gregory of Nazianzus spoke of ascending Jacob&#8217;s Ladder by successive steps towards excellence, interpreting thus the ladder as an ascetic path, while Saint Gregory of Nyssa wrote that Moses climbed on Jacob&#8217;s Ladder to reach the heavens where he entered the tabernacle not made with hands, thus giving to the Ladder a clear mystical meaning. The ascetic interpretation is found also in Saint John Chrysostom who wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;And so mounting as it were by steps, let us get to heaven by a Jacob’s ladder. For the ladder seems to me to signify in a riddle by that vision the gradual ascent by means of virtue, by which it is possible for us to ascend from earth to heaven, not using material steps, but improvement and correction of manners.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The account of Jacob&#8217;s Ladder as an analogy for the spiritual ascetic of life is again found in the classical work <a class="mw-redirect" title="Ladder of Divine Ascent" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladder_of_Divine_Ascent">Ladder of Divine Ascent</a> by St. John Climacus. The ladder in Jacob&#8217;s dream represented a symbolic journey where each of the rungs suggest the steps needed to move upward. Man must climb up one level at a time as he participates in the saving principles and ordinances of the gospel offered by the Lord, who stands at the top. Notice how similar this description is to the quote by Marion G. Romney found in our lesson:</p>
<blockquote><p><big>“<span style="color: #003366;"><strong>Jacob realized that the covenants he made with the Lord … were the rungs on the ladder that he himself would have to climb in order to obtain the promised blessings—blessings that would entitle him to enter heaven and associate with the Lord</strong></span>”</big> (“<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=1c08945bd384b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">Temples—The Gates to Heaven</a>,” <em>Ensign,</em> Mar. 1971, 16).</p></blockquote>
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<span style="font-size: x-large;"><em style="color: #783f04;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,&amp;amp;amp;">L</span></em></span>ater Christian interpretation of Jacob&#8217;s ladder is quite different than the early Church fathers, and demonstrates the dichotomy of thought between evangelicals and Mormons on the faith and works issue. In this exegesis, Jesus is seen as being the reality to which the ladder points in that he bridges the gap between heaven and earth. According to Martin Luther, Jacob&#8217;s vision of the ladder represented the incarnation of Christ. In the Gospel of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=john+1%3A51&amp;do=Search">John 1:51</a> there is a clear reference to Jacob&#8217;s dream pointing towards Jesus Christ, referred to by his title of the Son of Man:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Adam Clarke, an early 19th century Methodist theologian and Bible scholar, elaborated upon this verse:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;That by the angels of God ascending and descending, is to be understood, that a perpetual intercourse should now be opened between heaven and earth, through the medium of Christ, who was God manifested in the flesh. Our blessed Lord is represented in his mediatorial capacity as the ambassador of God to men; and the angels ascending and descending upon the Son of Man, is a metaphor taken from the custom of dispatching couriers or messengers from the prince to his ambassador in a foreign court, and from the ambassador back to the prince.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In this one Biblical symbol we find differing schools of thought over the issue of salvation: One group views the ladder as a way to reach heaven based on their own actions of improvement and obedience to covenants and ordinances. The other group has access to heaven based on the provisions of God through the Mediator, Jesus Christ, who came to earth and became that ladder or stairway for the sinner to reconnect the relationship with God.</p>
<p>In pondering this issue in the past, I have lamented that such a rift exists between our two faith traditions. It often seems to me that we are closer than we think, and that grace and works are both important. Mormons, I explain, emphasize works so much because we fear that if we don&#8217;t, the sinner might lapse into laziness or indifference. Christians emphasize the grace aspect of the equation so that no one will mistakenly trust in legalism rather than the Savior for their salvation. Isn&#8217;t the truth a balance between <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/eph/2/4-9#4">Paul</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/james/2/14,17-18,20-22,24-26#14">James</a>? However, the evangelicals have labored hard to convince me that salvation must be accepted upon grace alone. Lately I&#8217;ve been pondering why I am reluctant to join them in their assurance. I&#8217;ve accepted Christ as my Savior, and it certainly would be a lot easier not to worry so much about whether I was paying my tithing, going to the temple regularly, or doing my visiting teaching. But here&#8217;s what holds me back: if Jesus offers me the grace they describe, then I&#8217;ll be OK whether I&#8217;m doing my works or not. But if the Mormon view turns out to be the more accurate description of the will of God for us, I need to be trying my hardest to do all of those works which are in my power.</p>
<p>Am I living my life based on fear rather than faith? Maybe. Will it count against me in the end?  I don&#8217;t see how it could.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your take on Jacob&#8217;s ladder? Do we walk up, or does God descend to meet us where we are? Can this scriptural metaphor be of any help to us in our faith journey?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #9 This story is so very, very familiar to us that I think it&#8217;s important to look at it with a fresh perspective.  So in this post I am including some pieces from media and the arts that force us to think about Genesis 22.  I promise you in advance that some of these might be disturbing to you.  Probably you will disagree with the portrayal of Abraham&#8217;s sacrifice in at least one, if not all, of these pieces.  I hope you will share your reactions in the comments. One of my favorite poems juxtaposes the story of Abraham with World War I.  The poet, Wilfred Owen, is a tragic figure himself, who was gunned down at age 25 just seven days before the Armistice on November 4, 1918.  This poem invites the reader to consider the effects of extreme religious devotion. The Parable of the Young Man and the Old Wilfred Owen So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went, And took the fire with him, and a knife. And as they sojourned, both of them together, Isaac the first-born spake, and said, My Father, Behold the preparations, fire and iron, But where the lamb [...]]]></description>
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<p>This story is so very, very familiar to us that I think it&#8217;s important to look at it with a fresh perspective.  So in this post I am including some pieces from media and the arts that force us to think about <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/22">Genesis 22</a>.  I promise you in advance that some of these might be disturbing to you.  Probably you will disagree with the portrayal of Abraham&#8217;s sacrifice in at least one, if not all, of these pieces.  I hope you will share your reactions in the comments.<span id="more-9927"></span></p>
<p>One of my favorite poems juxtaposes the story of Abraham with World War I.  The poet, Wilfred Owen, is a tragic figure himself, who was gunned down at age 25 just seven days before the Armistice on November 4, 1918.  This poem invites the reader to consider the effects of extreme religious devotion.</p>
<blockquote><p><big>The Parable of the Young Man and the Old</big><br />
<a href="http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/abraham/abraham.html">Wilfred Owen</a></p>
<p>So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,<br />
And took the fire with him, and a knife.<br />
And as they sojourned, both of them together,<br />
Isaac the first-born spake, and said, My Father,<br />
Behold the preparations, fire and iron,<br />
But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?<br />
Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps,<br />
And builded parapets the trenches there,<br />
And stretched forth the knife to slay his son.<br />
When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,<br />
Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,<br />
Neither do anything to him. Behold,<br />
A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;<br />
Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.<br />
But the old man would not so, but slew his son,<br />
And half the seed of Europe, one by one.</p></blockquote>
<p>The next bit of media comes from the BBC&#8217;s That Mitchell and Webb Look.  The parody pokes fun at believers whose religion keeps them from thinking for themselves:</p>
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<p>The image below is an etching entitled The Sacrifice of Abraham by Marc Chagall.   The same study was done as a watercolor, as an oil painting, and as a drawing in pastel and China ink.  Each has symbolic features which are not present in the others.  A review of the etching describes it as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p><a style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 5em;" href="http://www.franklinbowlesgallery.com/NY/Artists/Chagall/Pages/Etchings/bible/CHAG0726P_Plate_10.jpg"><img src="http://www.franklinbowlesgallery.com/NY/Artists/Chagall/Pages/Etchings/bible/CHAG0726P_Plate_10.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="310" height="400" /></a>&#8220;&#8230;the sacrifice of Abraham presents human drama as confrontation of two wills and two freedoms: that of the creator and his creature. Chagall&#8217;s rendering of this scene is of great subtlety. Using a mirror effect between the figures of Isaac and the angel, between Abraham&#8217;s posture and that of the heavenly messenger, he suggests complementarity and ultimate unity between heaven and earth. In the end, there will be no opposition between the faithful Abraham and his God, because there exists a perfect match between human obedience and divine mercy. The bound and naked Isaac is a symbol of extreme vulnerability and suggests acute sensitivity to the word of God. God answers in kind, rushing his angel in sudden descent to arrest the movement of Abraham&#8217;s knife. Thus, although bathed in an atmosphere of frightening proportions, the pictorial narrative speaks of two worlds reconciled by tender love. The latter, tender love, finds its artistic expression in the tiny white ram emerging from the thicket on the left. Too tiny for the giant knife, the ram is a reminder that God does not want sacrifices but love.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this type of yielding and vulnerable submission make you  more comfortable than the more fanatic type? Why or why not?</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s explore what would happen if Abraham did decide to think for himself &#8212; to take a critical look at what God was asking him to do. What if that were God&#8217;s purpose behind the lesson, after all? This short story comes from the<a href="http://b10mediaworx.com/b10mwx/bookstore/peculiar-pages/the-fob-bible"> Fob Bible</a>, which I own and I highly recommend.  It is called &#8220;Abraham&#8217;s Purgatory,&#8221; and was written by Ben Christensen.</p>
<p><big><a href="http://b10mediaworx.com/peculiarpages/fobbible/pppfobbible.htm#purgatory">Abraham&#8217;s Purgatory</a></big> (click to read)</p>
<p>I included the lithograph below by Salvador Dali because I think it is interesting how the Abraham and Isaac figures are so small and how the focus of the work is the angel.  It dominates the picture and brings to mind the sacred nature of the sacrificial story.  Dali&#8217;s angel is not an insipid, white robed choir boy.  We see the figure from the back and it is both awe-inspiring, unknowable, and a bit frightening.</p>
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<p>As you watch the following comedic sketch, ask yourself the question: &#8220;Is it easier to do something God asks if you want to do it anyway?&#8221;  How much personal interpretation comes into play when we are deciphering God&#8217;s will?</p>
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<p>Jewish Midrash suggests that it was difficult to dissuade Abraham from the act of sacrificial violence once he had decided to kill his son.  The Midrash reads: “…and he said: Lay not thy hand upon the lad. Where was the knife? Tears had fallen from the angels upon it and dissolved it.” It was the tears of the angels, not those of Abraham that dissolved the knife.  Yet, even after seeing the knife dissolve, Abraham is unconvinced and persists with the violence. “’Then I will strangle him,’ said he [Abraham] to Him. ‘Lay not thy hand upon the lad,’ was the reply. ‘Let us bring forth a drop of blood from him,’ he pleaded.” Abraham refuses to be deterred. His unaffected and immediate suggestion of an alternative method of sacrifice is shocking. Some may consider this to be steadfast piety, but the violent undertone stands in stark contrast with the Midrashim that emphasize piety over violence. After that method is refused, he then pleads if he may bring forth a drop of blood from his son. The use of the word “pleads” would lead one to assume that Abraham’s plea to G-d was an emotional one. The emotion, it seems, stems more so from an inability to sacrifice his son than from G-d’s request that the sacrifice be made.</p>
<p>The sculpture below by Berruguete is included for its portrayal of the human emotion on the faces of Abraham and Isaac.  You will probably hear in your Sunday School lesson the idea that Isaac was a youth in his prime at the time of the sacrifice, while Abraham was an old man.  This interpretation promotes the idea that Isaac was a willing participant in the act of submission to God.  The sculpture visually portrays this idea, picturing Isaac as a strong and virile young man, capable of wresting himself free from his bonds.  Though horrified and frightened, he is kneeling and complaisant.</p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">The Sacrifice of Isaac by Alonso Berruguete</div>
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<p>The final piece of media I would like to include for your consideration is a biblical canticle written by Benjamin Britten.  During this two-person opera, one singer assumes the role of Abraham while the other takes that of Isaac. Through the homophony of the two singers, God&#8217;s voice emerges as if it were a third solo singer.  The use of the older tenor and the younger alto voices in the vignette below to sing the words of God is very moving.</p>
<blockquote><p>GOD: Abraham, my servant, Abraham,<br />
Take Isaac, thy son by name,<br />
That thou lovest the best of all,<br />
And in sacrifice offer him to me<br />
Upon that hill there beside thee.</p>
<p>Abraham, I will that so it be,<br />
For aught that may befall.</p></blockquote>
<p>As they sing &#8220;Abraham,&#8221; the notes are first discordant, then resolve, aptly representing the theme of the story.</p>
<p>Abraham and Isaac by Benjamin Britten</p>
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<p>The story of Abraham and Isaac is a powerful one.  It is the most dramatic moment in the life of one of the most important of the Biblical prophets.  I think that its inclusion in the Bible is meant to be disturbing and to evoke turmoil and discomfort.  I hope that the Sunday School portrayal of this section of the scriptural record will not be too soft and fluffy.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #8 &#8220;The Genesis passage is very clear, that the sin of Sodom that brought on the destruction of the city was indeed linked to homosexuality.&#8221; (R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Seminary) &#8220;Saying that the last recorded acts of the Sodomites &#8212; the demands for same-gender sex &#8212; are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality is like saying that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards. Sodom was judged worthy of destruction before the incident with Lot and the angels.&#8221; (Inge Anderson, &#8220;Sins of Sodom&#8220;) One of the prominent themes in this week&#8217;s Sunday School lesson is the story of Lot and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. But in Christian thought there has been some controversy over how closely the story should be linked to homosexuality, as the quotes above indicate. There are several points that are up for grabs, and I&#8217;m not sure either side has a complete understanding yet. Read on, and let me know what you think! The background of the story should be taken into account as we try to figure out what is happening. In [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #8</strong></big></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #660000;">&#8220;The Genesis passage is very clear, that the sin of Sodom that brought on the destruction of the city was indeed linked to homosexuality.&#8221; </span>(R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Seminary)</p>
<p><span style="color: #660000;">&#8220;Saying that the last recorded acts of the Sodomites &#8212; the demands for same-gender sex &#8212; are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality is like saying that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards. Sodom was judged worthy of destruction before the incident with Lot and the angels.&#8221;</span> (Inge Anderson, &#8220;<a href="http://glow.cc/isa/sodom.htm"><em>Sins of Sodom</em></a>&#8220;)</p></blockquote>
<p>One of the prominent themes in this week&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b5f3c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD"> Sunday School lesson</a> is the story of Lot and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. But in Christian thought there has been some controversy over how closely the story should be linked to homosexuality, as the quotes above indicate. There are several points that are up for grabs, and I&#8217;m not sure either side has a complete understanding yet. Read on, and let me know what you think!<span id="more-9863"></span></p>
<p>The background of the story should be taken into account as we try to figure out what is happening. In <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/18">Genesis 18</a>, three angelic messengers visit Abraham to prophesy about the birth of his son and to warn of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. This is the part where Abraham shows his compassion by bargaining with the Lord for a stay of execution if there are 10 righteous people to be found in the city. The narrative shows that the destruction has already been decreed, even before Lot&#8217;s experience with the men of Sodom.</p>
<p>Next, the angels enter the city. That Lot meets them at the gate is significant. Though a resident alien, Lot is taking a turn guarding the walls. Sodom has been at war, and not surprisingly the inhabitants of the city are wary of visitors. The very night a <em>non-native</em> of the city is trusted to watch the gate (thus controlling traffic in and out), he lets two people that <em>nobody</em> knows into the city and what&#8217;s more <em>behind closed doors for the night in his house</em>! Certainly this raised some eyebrows and caused some suspicion. Soon the residents of Sodom &#8212; all the people, both young and old &#8212; have gathered outside of Lot&#8217;s house and are demanding that Lot bring the visitors out &#8220;that we may <em>know</em> them.&#8221;</p>
<p>The meaning of the Hebrew word <em>yada&#8217;</em> (to know) has engendered much of the controversy behind this story. The word has a euphemistic meaning (to engage in coitus). Of 943 times <em>yada&#8217;</em> is used in the Old Testament, only ten times is it used with a sexual connotation, and all of these are heterosexual coitus. Thus <a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/sometimes-a-cigar-is-just-a-cigar/">some have conjectured</a> that the townspeople were merely asking to know the credentials and intentions of strangers in their city. On the other hand, when <em>yada&#8217;</em> is used with a sexual meaning, a large number of those references occur within the book of Genesis. In fact, the word is used in a clearly euphemistic sense in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/19/8#8">Genesis 19:8</a>, just three verses after the reference in question.</p>
<p>The absolute sacredness of a guest was a principle well known in the Middle East. Lot wanted to protect his guests, and he refused to hand them over to the crowd. When the crowd insisted, he offered his two daughters as the most expedient diversion for a hostile situation. In the Joseph Smith Translation of these verses, it is suggested that Lot did not offer his daughters, but that the Sodomites demanded the girls as well as the visiting angels. But there is another story in the Bible which parallels the Genesis story. It is found in Judges <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=judges+19%3A13-27&amp;do=Search">19:13-27</a>. In this account, the house guest was a man, not an angel, and the master of the house offered his daughter and the man&#8217;s concubine to the mob. They accepted the concubine woman in place of the man, and raped her until she died. The city was destroyed &#8212; for heterosexual rape and violation of the law of hospitality. In spite of this very similar destruction of a city, no one condemns heterosexuality on the basis of this passage, but rather there is condemnation of rape.</p>
<p>This may indicate that the story of Sodom in Genesis has little to do with homosexuality and more to do with rampant, violent sex as well as irreverent attitudes regarding sex. Sodom’s primary sin was violence. The threat against the messengers and Lot’s daughters is a threat of sexual violence in which sexual orientation is irrelevant. The behavior of the people of Sodom wasn’t about attraction. It was about harming people as profoundly as they could. One might conclude that gang raping some guys is a pretty serious sin, no matter how you look at it. Making the sudden leap to compare them to committed monogomous gay couples, however, is outrageous and unfounded. There is no real similarity, and indeed, our modern Western view of &#8220;sexual orientation&#8221; did not exist in ancient Biblical times.</p>
<p>Another method of uncovering the meaning of the lesson of Sodom is by looking at how other Biblical passages interpret the story. Throughout the Old Testament, Sodom is held up as a lesson in wickedness that deserves utter destruction for reasons other than homosexual acts. Of the eighteen passages outside of the story itself found in Old Testament writings<strong> <em>none refer to same sex activity</em></strong>, and only one alludes to sexual immorality (namely, adultery). To cite a few examples of those found among the words of the Hebrew prophets, Isaiah (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Isaiah+1%3A1-17&amp;do=Search">1:1-17</a>; <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Isaiah+1%3A1-17&amp;do=Search">13:1-22</a>) refers to Sodom and Gomorrah to condemn general evil and injustice; Jeremiah (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=jer+23%3A9-15&amp;do=Search">23:9-15</a>), to general moral and ethical laxity. Ezekiel (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=ezekiel+16%3A46-56&amp;do=Search">16:46-56</a>) and Amos (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/amos/4/11#11">chapter 4</a>) condemn the kingdoms of Judah and Israel, more specifically, for neglecting the poor and needy.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Deuterocanonical books identify the sin as pride and inhospitality; in Wisdom 19:13-14, we read &#8220;&#8230;whereas the men of Sodom received not the strangers when they came among them.&#8221; In Ecclesiasticus 16:8 the sin is recognized as pride. In the New Testament, too, there is reference to Sodom&#8217;s sins: In <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=matt+10%3A14-15&amp;do=Search">Matthew 10:14-15</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=luke+10%3A10-13&amp;do=Search">Luke 10:10-13</a>, Jesus implied that the sin of the people of Sodom was to be inhospitable and to reject the words of the gospel messengers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not until the very late books of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_pet/2/6-7#6">2 Peter 2</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jude/1/7#7">Jude 6</a>, that &#8220;sexual immorality&#8221; and &#8220;depraved lusts&#8221; are considered sins of Sodom. In 2 Peter especially, the author seems to be drawing a comparison between “the sons of God” who came down to earth and mated with “the daughters of men” (<a href="../2010/02/06/joseph-smith-didnt-believe-in-watchers/">see Lesson 6</a>), and the men of Sodom who attempted to do sexual violence to the divine visitors whom Lot invited into his home. The comparison is that there was an unnatural mating, or attempt at a violent sexual act, between a divine being and a human being. The first acts lead ultimately to destruction by a flood, the second attempted act to destruction by fire.</p>
<p>A final consideration for the Latter-day Saint might be the words of modern Prophets and Apostles upon the matter. I will only include a few quotations here, but they are enough to demonstrate that there is a lack of consensus upon why the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and whether or not it had to do with homosexuality. Joseph Smith preached:</p>
<blockquote><p>“In consequence of rejecting the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Prophets whom God hath sent, the judgments of God have rested upon people, cities, and nations, in various ages of the world, which was the case with the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, that were destroyed for rejecting the Prophets.” <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4c9720596a845110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&amp;contentLocale=0"><em>Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith</em></a>, 192–205. From a discourse given by Joseph Smith in Nauvoo on Jan. 22, 1843.)</p></blockquote>
<p>In contrast, Spencer W. Kimball unequivocally equated the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah with homosexuality:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We hear more and more each day about the sins of adultery, homosexuality, and lesbianism. Homosexuality is an ugly sin, but because of its prevalence, the need to warn the uninitiated, and the desire to help those who may already be involved with it, it must be brought into the open. It is the sin of the ages. It was present in Israel’s wandering as well as after and before. It was tolerated by the Greeks. It was prevalent in decaying Rome. The ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are symbols of wretched wickedness more especially related to this perversion, as the incident of Lot’s visitors indicates. (Spencer W. Kimball,<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=33341f26d596b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">The Foundations of Righteousness</a>,” <em>Ensign</em>, Nov 1977, 4)</p></blockquote>
<p>Ezra Taft Benson taught that pride was the sin which caused the city of Sodom to be destroyed:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The scriptures abound with evidences of the severe consequences of the sin of pride to individuals, groups, cities, and nations. &#8216;Pride goeth before destruction.&#8217; It destroyed the Nephite nation and the city of Sodom.&#8221; (Ezra Taft Benson, <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=d8ff27cd3f37b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">Beware of Pride</a>,” 	<em>Ensign</em>, May 1989, 4.)</p></blockquote>
<p>More in line with Ezekiel, Neal A. Maxwell considered Sodom&#8217;s sin to be neglect of the poor and needy:</p>
<blockquote><p>“When love waxes cold, let the poor and the needy beware too, for they will be neglected, as happened in ancient Sodom.” (Neal A. Maxwell, <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=c51f84d4a0a0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">Repent of [Our] Selfishness’ (D&amp;amp;C 56:8</a>), <em>Ensign</em>, May 1999, 23)</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps in this post I have taken the long way around to show that, while I don&#8217;t think that homosexual orientation can be blamed for the destruction of Sodom and the cities of the plain, there are several valid interpretations of this passage. Additionally, there are many questions we don&#8217;t have good answers for. Why did Lot offer his daughters in place of the heavenly visitors, and why was he not condemned for this action? Of the entire city of Sodom, were there not children under 8 years old, and possibly others who were innocently killed in the destruction? Is it possible to connect the several sexual relationships which seem to run through the scripture block comprising Genesis 18-19? What are the symbolic meanings of the characters and actions? The story is so ambiguous that perhaps every reader comes away with a different perception of the lesson to be taught. I have illustrated that point by including below some art work, each with its own unique depiction of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://freechristimages.org/Images_Genesis/DestructionOfSodomAndGomorrah.jpg"><img src="http://freechristimages.org/Images_Genesis/DestructionOfSodomAndGomorrah.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="277" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, c. 1320</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Albrecht_Durer.jpg"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Albrecht_Durer.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="254" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Albrecht Dürer<br />
Lot and His Daughters</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Marc_Chagall.jpg"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Marc_Chagall.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="248" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Marc Chagall<br />
Abraham Approaching Sodom with Three Angels</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/giusto_de_menabuoi.JPG"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/giusto_de_menabuoi.JPG" border="0" alt="" width="310" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Giusto de Menabuoi<br />
Sodom and Gomorrah</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Schnoor_von_Carolsfeld.JPG"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Schnoor_von_Carolsfeld.JPG" border="0" alt="" width="320" height="262" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Julius Schnoor von Carolsfeld<br />
Lot flees Sodom</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Corot02.jpg"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Corot02.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="320" height="220" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Rembrandt van Rijn<br />
Lot and His Family Leaving Sodom</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Gustave_Dore.jpg"><img src="http://www.alessandrobavari.com/resources/Gustave_Dore.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="252" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Gustave Doré<br />
Lot flees Sodom</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://jloudon.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/sodom.jpg"><img src="http://jloudon.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/sodom.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="284" height="320" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Henry O. Tanner<br />
Sodom and Gomorrah</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/bavari/images/03.jpg"><img src="http://zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/bavari/images/03.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="320" height="179" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Alessandro Bavari<br />
The City of Sodom</p>
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		<title>Sod, Seed, Salvation: Abrahamic Covenant and the Claim to Palestine</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #7 Sod, seed, and salvation &#8212; it&#8217;s how I like to describe the Abrahamic Covenant. There were three promises in the covenant. The first was a land promise, where the Lord gave Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. The second was the promise of a great and numerous posterity. And the third was the blessing of the everlasting Gospel: the priesthood and the promise of exaltation, to come to the world through Abraham&#8217;s lineage. (see Genesis 17)  But just look at how often the covenant was renewed! Several times with Abraham in Genesis 12, Genesis 15, Genesis 17 With Isaac in Genesis 26 With Jacob in Genesis 28 With Joseph in Genesis 49 Not only that, but you may be surprised to learn that this covenant consisting of a land promise, a posterity promise, and a gospel of salvation promise was also given to Moses and the children of Israel in Exodus 6 David in 2 Samuel 7 and, though we call it the Abrahamic Covenant, the same covenant was made even earlier, with Adam in Genesis 3 Enoch and Noah in Genesis 9, Gen 9:21-25 JST Finally, if you&#8217;ve read [...]]]></description>
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<p>Sod, seed, and salvation &#8212; it&#8217;s how I like to describe the Abrahamic Covenant.  There were three promises in the covenant.  The first was a land promise, where the Lord gave Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. The second was the promise of a great and numerous posterity.  And the third was the blessing of the everlasting Gospel: the priesthood and the promise of exaltation, to come to the world through Abraham&#8217;s lineage.  (see <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/17/">Genesis 17</a>)  But just look at how often the covenant was renewed!<span id="more-9801"></span></p>
<ul><a style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;" href="http://www.godsplanforall.org/images/other/Abraham%20Stars.JPG"><img src="http://www.godsplanforall.org/images/other/Abraham%20Stars.JPG" border="0" alt="" width="194" height="320" /></a></p>
<li>Several times with Abraham in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+12%3A1-3&amp;do=Search">Genesis 12</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+15%3A5%2C6%2C7%2C17&amp;do=Search">Genesis 15</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+17%3A2-11&amp;do=Search">Genesis 17</a></li>
<li>With Isaac in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+26%3A3-5&amp;do=Search">Genesis 26</a></li>
<li>With Jacob in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+28%3A13-15&amp;do=Search">Genesis 28</a></li>
<li>With Joseph in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=genesis+49%3A22-26&amp;do=Search">Genesis 49</a></li>
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<p>Not only that, but you may be surprised to learn that this covenant consisting of a land promise, a posterity promise, and a gospel of salvation promise was also given to</p>
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<li>Moses and the children of Israel in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=exodus+6%3A3-8&amp;do=Search">Exodus 6</a></li>
<li>David in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+sam+7%3A10%2C+12%2C+15%2C+16&amp;do=Search">2 Samuel 7</a></li>
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<p>and, though we call it the Abrahamic Covenant, the same covenant was made even earlier, with</p>
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<li>Adam in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=gen+3%3A+16%2C+17%2C+21&amp;do=Search">Genesis 3 </a></li>
<li>Enoch and Noah in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=genesis+9%3A7-11&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=genesis+9%3A7-11&amp;do=Search&amp;show=%0D%0A%0D%0A">Genesis 9</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/3">Gen 9:21-25 JST</a></li>
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<p>Finally, if you&#8217;ve read this week&#8217;s <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8314c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Sunday School lesson</a>, you&#8217;ll know that the Abrahamic Covenant is made with faithful members of the Church today, as promised in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=d%26c+132%3A30-32&amp;do=Search">D&amp;C 132</a>.</p>
<p>But when speaking of the Abrahamic Covenant, we might well consider the claim of Abraham&#8217;s firstborn son, Ishmael, his alleged descendants, and the ongoing conflict over the land of Canaan. I think it is interesting that the claims of both Palestinians and Israelis can be distilled into sod, seed, and salvation claims. Before you jump to a conclusion about how the argument over Palestine/Israel should be solved, let&#8217;s look at these with an open mind.</p>
<h4><strong>Sod: The Land Claim</strong></h4>
<p>Jewish claims to the land of Israel are based on the fact that this was the historical site and native site of the Jewish kingdom of Israel. There were always large communities of Jews in Israel, and the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. Palestinian Arabs&#8217; claims to the land are also based on continuous residence in the country for hundreds of years. The land was originally &#8220;Arab&#8221; land taken from its native inhabitants by invading Jews, they say.  Who&#8217;s right?  Let&#8217;s see: <small> </small></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong> </span>It was the British who exercised sovereign authority in Palestine under a League of Nations mandate for thirty years prior to Israel&#8217;s declaration of independence in 1948.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>But the territory was Turkish land, a province of the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years until the British wrested it from them during the Great War in 1917.<br />
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> If you look back earlier in history than the Ottoman Turks, who took over Palestine over in 1517, you find it under the sovereignty of the yet another empire not indigenous to Palestine: the Mamluks, who were Turkish and Circassian slave-soldiers headquartered in Egypt. In 1250 they took Palestine over from:<br />
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Ayyubi dynasty, the descendants of Saladin, the Kurdish Muslim leader who in 1187 took Jerusalem and most of Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The European Christian Crusaders, who in 1099 conquered Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Seljuk Turks, who ruled Palestine in the name of:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad, which in 750 took over the sovereignty of the entire Near East from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Umayyad Caliphate of Damascus, which in 661 inherited control of the Islamic lands from</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Arabs of Arabia, who in the first flush of Islamic expansion conquered Palestine in 638 from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Byzantines, who (nice people—perhaps it should go to them?) didn&#8217;t conquer the Levant, but, upon the division of the Roman Empire in 395, inherited Palestine from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Romans, who in 63 B.C. took it over from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The last Jewish kingdom, which during the Maccabean rebellion from 168 to 140 B.C. won control of the land from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Hellenistic Greeks, who under Alexander the Great in 333 B.C. conquered the Near East from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Persian empire, which under Cyrus the Great in 639 B.C. freed Jerusalem and Judah from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Babylonian empire, which under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. took Jerusalem and Judah from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§</strong></span> The Jews, meaning the people of the Kingdom of Judah, who, in their earlier incarnation as the Israelites, seized the land in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. from:</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>§ </strong></span>The Canaanites, who had inhabited the land for thousands of years before they were dispossessed by the Israelites. <span style="color: #000000;">(from</span> </span><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202907/posts">Lawrence Auster</a>)</p>
<p>This brings us to our second point. The Hebrew Torah clearly shows that the Jews seized the land from the Canaanites. Can we go back into history and discover who the descendants of these ancient native peoples are?</p>
<h4><strong>Seed: The Descent Claim</strong></h4>
<p><a href="http://www.freearabvoice.org/articles/TheArabIdentityofPalestine.htm">Ibrahim Alloush </a>describes the descent claim of the Palestinians as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Arab identity of Palestine emanates not from the Islamic conquest, but with the Canaanites who came into Palestine from the shores of the Arabian Peninsula around 2500 BC, and who had sovereignty over the land until about 1000 BC. Hence Palestine was called the Land of Canaanites, until the Philistines came from the island of Crete and intermarried with the Canaanites to melt peacefully into them leaving only the name behind: Palestine. The ancient Hebrews were indeed part of the peoples of the region but they came into Palestine (the Land of the Canaanites) as invaders.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Those making this claim point out that descendants of the Canaanites/Philistines (ancient Arabs) have maintained a continuous presence in the land throughout history. Others say that the archaeological evidence disproves this. There is no record of the Canaanites surviving their destruction in ancient times. Prior to 1964 there was no &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; people and no &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; claim to Palestine; prior to the founding of the state of Israel in 1948, the name &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; referred to the <em>Jews</em> of Palestine.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Jews have their own problems proving literal descent. For example, <a href="http://pulsemedia.org/2009/04/16/shlomo-sand/">Shlomo Sand</a> insists that Diaspora Jews descend from converts and have no ethnic link to ancient Israel. In addition, human rights groups <a href="http://aboriginalrights.suite101.com/article.cfm/israeli_native_title">make the point</a> that no other indigenous or aboriginal peoples on the planet are granted the same consideration as the Jews. But there is one other consideration being used to make a claim for the land.</p>
<h4><strong>Salvation: The Religious Claim</strong></h4>
<p>According to the Torah, <em>Eretz Yisrael</em> was promised to the Abraham and his descendants. Muslims believe that since Abraham&#8217;s son Ishmael is the forefather of the Arabs, then God&#8217;s promise of the land to the children of Abraham includes Arabs as well. The prophet Muhammed passed through Jerusalem on his first journey to heaven, and all of the land of Israel is designated as Islamic &#8220;Waqf&#8221; which implies it must be governed by Muslims.</p>
<p>Israelis insist that the covenant was renewed with Abraham&#8217;s son Isaac and the inheritance was passed through his line to the Jews. They made Jerusalem a holy city over three thousand years ago have remained steadfast to it. They pray in its direction, mention its name constantly in prayers, close the Passover service with the wistful statement &#8220;Next year in Jerusalem,&#8221; and recall the city in the blessing at the end of each meal. The destruction of the Temple is still an event commemorated by a special day of mourning, houses left partially unfinished, a woman&#8217;s makeup or jewelry left incomplete, a glass smashed during the wedding ceremony. Christians identify with the Jews&#8217; love of Israel in many ways. The plaintive sound of Psalm 137 is reinforced in many of our hymns: &#8220;By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.&#8221; This sympathy has been apparent in modern reactions to the conflict over Israel.</p>
<p>In attempting to keep this post from being unwieldy, I am afraid that I have greatly simplified the issues. Please feel free to make additional points about these claims in the comments. However, what I am most interested in discussing is the great support the Christian world has given to the Jews&#8217; political return to Israel in modern times. (<a href="http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/zionism-pal-isr-primer.html">Zionism</a> was actually opposed by Orthodox Jews at first &#8212; they regarded Zionism as a violation of God&#8217;s will.) But the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people in 1947. Do you think there is a solution to this conflict? Who has the better claim? Should a world-wide coalition define boundaries, or should we let the two nations duke it out on their own?</p>
<p>Does your religious worldview and your Christian understanding of the Abrahamic Covenant affect your position on the issue?</p>
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		<title>Joseph Smith Didn&#8217;t Believe in Watchers</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #6 Hidden in our scripture reading for this week is a strange little passage which many modern Biblical scholars say was originally intended to explain the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of angelic beings with human wives.  These verses in Genesis stirred a lively debate among early Christian theologians as they struggled to explain why God felt it necessary to cleanse the Earth with a worldwide Flood.  It all starts with this odd passage inserted in the account before Noah built his vessel, the great ark. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose&#8230;There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination [...]]]></description>
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<p>Hidden in our scripture reading for this week is a strange little passage which many modern Biblical scholars say was originally intended to explain the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of angelic beings with human wives.  These verses in Genesis stirred a lively debate among early Christian theologians as they struggled to explain why God felt it necessary to cleanse the Earth with a worldwide Flood.   It all starts with this odd passage inserted in the account before Noah built his vessel, the great ark.<span id="more-9682"></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #993300;">And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose&#8230;There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:1-5)</span></p></blockquote>
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<p>This small passage has been the subject of much dispute in Christendom, and two main schools of exegesis have formed.  The <a href="http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/">first and most popular</a> explains this passage as descriptive of disobedient angels (sometimes called Watchers) who descended from celestial realms and cohabitated with human women, producing a race of giants. Pseudopigraphic literature such as the Book of Enoch are dedicated to expanding this particular incident and serve as proof-tests for this theory. It is also similar in many respects to various myths of Near Eastern peoples.  This interpretation has spawned all kinds of new-age speculation on <a href="http://www.fallenwatchers.com/">alien races</a>, their interaction with antediluvian human beings, and modern-day abductions &#8212; but is actually the more conservative and accepted interpretation by the higher critics.</p>
<p>An <a href="http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/reprints/Sons-of-God-in-Genesis-6.pdf">alternate explanation</a> results by understanding the term &#8220;sons of God&#8221; to be the pious race descended from Seth, who sinned by marrying descendants of Cain, who would have been pagans. This is favored by some Christian groups who object to the idea that angels are physical or sexual beings. Many Jewish Biblical authorities prefer this explanation as well, to maintain an emphasis on one God.</p>
<p>The first explanation is definitely the cool one.  I would have thought that Joseph Smith would have been all over fallen angels, with his emphasis on the corporeality of divine beings.  But it turns out that Joseph didn&#8217;t believe in Watchers.  Hugh Nibley wrote an article explaining how Joseph&#8217;s theology in the Book of Moses provides a solution to the dilemma:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is the Joseph Smith Enoch which gives the most convincing solution: the beings who fell were not angels but men who had become sons of God. From the beginning, it tells us, mortal men could qualify as “sons of God,” beginning with Adam. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+6%3A68&amp;do=Search">Moses 6:68</a> How? By believing and entering the covenant. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+7%3A1&amp;do=Search">Moses 7:1</a> Thus when “Noah and his sons hearkened unto the Lord, and gave heed … they were called the sons of God.” <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+8%3A13&amp;do=Search">Moses 8:13</a> In short, the sons of God are those who accept and live by the law of God. When “the sons of men” (as Enoch calls them) broke their covenant, they still insisted on that exalted title: “Behold, we are the sons of God; have we not taken unto ourselves the daughters of men?” <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=moses+8%3A21&amp;do=Search">Moses 8:21</a> (Hugh Nibley, “<a href="http://www.josephsmith.net/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=bcb81f26d596b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">A Strange Thing in the Land: The Return of the Book of Enoch</a>, Part 8,” Ensign, Dec 1976, 73)</p></blockquote>
<p>Joseph Smith&#8217;s unique Mormon spin on the <em>b’nei ha-Elohim</em> was that they were priesthood holders, and the covenant people of the Lord, who were defiling themselves by marrying out of the covenant.  Their resulting progeny were &#8220;Nephilim,&#8221; or &#8220;fallen ones.&#8221;  Joseph Fielding Smith later clarified the LDS interpretation of Genesis 6 when he scolded:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is a prevailing doctrine in the Christian world that these sons of God were heavenly beings who came down and married the daughters of men and thus came a superior race on the earth, the result bringing the displeasure of the Lord. This foolish notion is the result of lack of proper information, and because the correct information is not found in the Book of Genesis Christian peoples have been led astray.  The correct information regarding these unions is revealed in the inspired interpretation given to the Prophet Joseph Smith in the Book of Moses. Without doubt when this scripture was first written, it was perfectly clear, but scribes and translators in the course of time, not having divine inspiration, changed the meaning to conform to their incorrect understanding. These verses in the Prophet&#8217;s revision give us a correct meaning, and from them we learn why the Lord was angry with the people and decreed to shorten the span of life and to bring upon the world the flood of purification.  (Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 1: 136.)</p></blockquote>
<p>The doctrine is repeated in sermons in the Journal of Discourses, such as this one by Charles W. Penrose:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is stated that the iniquity of man was great, and God brought a flood on the earth. Now, to understand that correctly we have to know what kind of position those persons were in, and why they were called the &#8220;Sons of God.&#8221; Those men were in the same position as the Latter-day Saints. They were heirs to the Priesthood. They were the sons of God. They had obeyed the holy covenants. They had received the word of the Lord. They were consecrated to the Almighty. But they went outside of their covenants and their engagement with the Lord, and took wives of the daughters of men that were not in the covenant, and thus transgressed the law of God. The law of God in relation to this has been the same in all ages, and has been given to this people—that the sons of Israel shall wed the daughters of Israel, and shall not go out to wed with the stranger. These men did that, and God was displeased, as He is to-day with Latter-day Saints, who are called out of the world to be His servants, to be holy unto the Lord, to be clean because they bear the vessels of the Lord, when they go outside and wed with the stranger. (Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints' Book Depot, 1854-1886], 25: 228 &#8211; 229.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps because of its controversial nature Genesis 6:1-4 is often ignored when discussing the causes of the flood, even though the strong link between them has been noted in the past.  More fundamental religionists believe that this type of explanation of the Flood underscores the importance of maintaining racial and spiritual purity. God’s believing remnant must be preserved. When men failed to perceive the importance of this, God had to judge them severely.  In a Pearl of Great Price Institute Manual, President John Taylor is quoted, describing the Flood as an act of love, done for the benefit of that generation. By taking away their earthly existence God prevented them from entailing their sins upon their posterity and degenerating them.  An additional quotation from Joseph Fielding Smith applies this lesson to our day, saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Because the daughters of Noah married the sons of men contrary to the teachings of the Lord, his anger was kindled, and this offense was one cause that brought to pass the universal flood. . . . The daughters who had been born, evidently under the covenant, and were the daughters of the sons of God, that is to say of those who held the priesthood, were transgressing the commandment of the Lord and were marrying <em> out of the Church </em> . Thus they were cutting themselves off from the blessings of the priesthood contrary to the teachings of Noah and the will of God. . . .Today there are foolish daughters of those who hold this same priesthood who are violating this commandment and marrying the sons of men; there are also some of the sons of those who hold the priesthood who are marrying the daughters of men. All of this is contrary to the will of God just as much as it was in the days of Noah” (<a href="http://institute.lds.org/manuals/Pearl-of-Great-Price-Student-Manual/pgp-2-m8-01.asp">Pearl of Great Price Student Manual </a>- Religion 327)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, the Church still teaches that it is preferable not to marry outside of the covenant.  But we&#8217;re usually not so un-PC as to suggest that marrying non-members is an abominable sin that may cause mankind to be swept off the earth.  Some of you reading this post may not even agree that marrying outside the covenant is what brought a great judgment upon these people.  Once again, we&#8217;re seeing a shift in doctrine, to the point that some Latter-day Saint thinkers are again putting credence in the &#8220;Watcher&#8221; theory of Genesis 6.  Recent examples are posts by <a href="http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/2009/05/wait-thats-in-the-bible-celestial-sex/">Yellow Dart</a> at Faith Promoting Rumor, <a href="http://www.sethpayne.com/?p=798">Seth P</a>. at his blog, and <a href="http://www.heavenlyascents.com/2010/02/04/noah-prepared-an-ark-to-the-saving-of-his-house-old-testament-lesson-6/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HeavenlyAscents+%28Heavenly+Ascents%29">David Larsen</a> at Heavenly Ascents. In this, we&#8217;re not so different than the Christian world, where the debate continues.</p>
<p>Robert C. Newman points out some interesting facts concerning the current controversy:</p>
<blockquote><p>The present form of the debate is rather paradoxical. On the one hand, liberal theologians, who deny the miraculous, claim the account pictures a supernatural liaison between divine beings and humans. Conservative theologians, though believing implicitly in angels and demons, tend to deny the passage any such import. The liberal position is more understandable with the realisation that they deny the historicity of the incident and see it as a borrowing from pagan mythology. The rationale behind the conservative view is more complex: though partially a reaction to liberalism, the view is older than liberal theology.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why do you think our LDS bloggers are beginning to reconsider such an unusual theory?</p>
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		<title>Church Growth and the Tendency toward Liberalism</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some time ago, as a guest I wrote a post entitled &#8216;Academic freedom in the Church&#8216; which tried to explore some of liberalizing tendencies seen in LDS culture since the September Six, but particularly over the last decade.  Having recently read an excellent (as usual) article by D. Michael Quinn on the development of the &#8216;Sacral Power Structure&#8216; of Mormonism, I wanted to re-visit this issue as a result of some of the reasons he gives for the increasing authoritarianism and conservatism in the Church.  Quinn argues that the expansive growth of the Church during the 1950-1970&#8242;s led the hierarchy to emphasize an &#8216;unquestioning rank-and-file obedience to Church directives&#8217; which is rooted in the &#8216;inherent fear of centrifugal tendencies of enormous Church growth&#8217;[1].  One way this tendency has been manifested is the shifting practice concerning Common Consent, which I previously discussed here.  Quinn also argues that during the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century, sustaining votes were sometimes used to reject the proposed candidate.  This was encouraged in the context of a voluntary obedience.  However, following the presidencies of Joseph Fielding Smith and Harold B. Lee, the discourse around common consent became associated with the idea that a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago, as a guest I wrote a post entitled &#8216;<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/15/academic-freedom-in-the-church/">Academic freedom in the Church</a>&#8216; which tried to explore some of<a href="http://www.ldsgospelink.com/next/doc?book_doc_id=281531"> liberalizing tendencies seen in LDS </a>culture since the September Six, but particularly over the last decade.  Having recently read an excellent (as usual) article by D. Michael Quinn on the development of the &#8216;<a href="http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/dialogue&amp;CISOPTR=17506&amp;REC=4">Sacral Power Structure</a>&#8216; of Mormonism, I wanted to re-visit this issue as a result of some of the reasons he gives for the increasing authoritarianism and conservatism in the Church.  Quinn argues that the expansive growth of the Church during the 1950-1970&#8242;s led the hierarchy to emphasize an &#8216;unquestioning rank-and-file obedience to Church directives&#8217; which is rooted in the &#8216;inherent fear of centrifugal tendencies of enormous Church growth&#8217;[1]. <span id="more-8931"></span></p>
<p>One way this tendency has been manifested is the shifting practice concerning Common Consent, which I previously discussed <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/10/04/common-consent-democracy-or-prophetocracy/">here</a>.  Quinn also argues that during the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century, sustaining votes were sometimes used to reject the proposed candidate.  This was encouraged in the context of a voluntary obedience.  However, following the presidencies of Joseph Fielding Smith and Harold B. Lee, the discourse around common consent became associated with the idea that a vote against a leadership decision was a rejection of the will of the Lord.  Thus, Church leader&#8217;s fears of losing control completely of the membership may have led them to emphasis a new type of relationship with Church authorities.  Quinn argues that this can be seen through a concern that some leaders had that the Church would be run by specialists rather than priesthood authority, thus the increased emphasis upon the &#8216;brethren&#8217;.</p>
<p>What does this mean for the Church currently and its membership?  Much has been said both officially, at GC, and unofficially, among the membership, about Church growth.  In general it has slowed (or flat-lined) over the last decade across the world.  It is possible therefore, that as Church growth slows or remains constant that we will see reversals in the way the Church approaches the issues of authoritarianism and doctrine.  I am not trying to argue that the Church is ever wholly conservative or liberal.  My point however is that as new ideas, practices and technologies are assimilated in the Church&#8217;s power structure there will inevitably be the emergence of new assemblages of power and new types of discourse.  In the same way that new conservative mechanisms where emphasised and solidifed throught the development of new media, so it is possible that these same changes could provide more liberalising assemblages/discourses.  Thus it is possible that as the Church, and its culture, become more firmly established its Leaders may become more relaxed about &#8216;the centrifugal tendencies&#8217; Quinn observes.</p>
<p>However, the problem with this hypothesis is that Church growth is not equal across the world.  We have already seen these fears manifest themselves in the Church&#8217;s response to exponential growth in areas such as Chile and Philippines (where in each case they sent Apostles to specifically preside over those areas).  Contrastingly, the emphasis on finding local leadership at the general level (Area Authority Seventies &#8211; and the like) may result in increased scope for variation and interpretation[2].  Thus it is possible that in those areas like Western Europe (where I am from) where the Church is established and hardly growing, there might be increasing tendency toward liberalism, while in areas of relative instability the emphasis will remain on unquestioning obedience.  However such differences are of course mediated by whether the Church wants to retain a unified approach across the globe (a fact which some have posited will be a major restriction to Church growth[3].</p>
<p>It is possible that the previous liberalisation toward academia, argued for in my previous post, may be part of a wider dynamic linked to the slowing down of Church growth?</p>
<p>Do you think this is plausible?</p>
<p>Notes:</p>
<p>1. D. Michael Quinn, <em>From Sacred Grove to Sacral Power Structure</em> in Dialogue, vol. 17, no. 2 [Salt Lake city, UT.: Dialogue Foundation, 1984] p. 29.</p>
<p>2. Armand L. Mauss, <em>Can there be a Second Harvest?</em> in International Journal of Mormon Studies, vol. 1, no. 1, [online, 2008], pp. 1-59.</p>
<p>3. Douglas J. Davies, <a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,510-1-3067-1,00.html">World Religion: Dynamics &amp; Constraints</a> at The Worlds of Joseph Smith Conference.</p>
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