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		<description><![CDATA[As I mentioned previously, I really enjoyed the Strangite session of the Mormon History Association meetings a few weeks ago.  Vickie Speek, John Hamer, and Mike Karpowicz gave some fascinating presentations on this little known group.  Following the session, they answered additional questions, and I thought it would be interesting to provide a transcript of the Q&#38;A session.  But before I get into the transcript, I should tell you a brief history of the Strangite Church. James Strang, prophet of the Strangite Church James Strang was baptized into the church just a few months before Joseph Smith was killed in 1844.  He said he had a letter from Joseph proclaiming that Strang was to lead the church.  The letter is currently owned by Yale University; in the past few decades, they have declared Joseph Smith&#8217;s signature on the letter a forgery. Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader.  His church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size.  They had some well known converts too:  Martin Harris, William Smith (Joseph&#8217;s brother), William Cowdery (Oliver&#8217;s father), William Marks (stake president in Nauvoo), William [...]]]></description>
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<p>As <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/30/day-3-at-mha/">I mentioned previously</a>, I really enjoyed the Strangite session of the Mormon History Association meetings a few weeks ago.  Vickie Speek, John Hamer, and Mike Karpowicz gave some fascinating presentations on this little known group.  Following the session, they answered additional questions, and I thought it would be interesting to provide a transcript of the Q&amp;A session.  But before I get into the transcript, I should tell you a brief history of the Strangite Church.</p>
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<p><span id="more-12051"></span>James Strang was baptized into the church just a few months before Joseph Smith was killed in 1844.  He said he had a letter from Joseph proclaiming that Strang was to lead the church.  The letter is currently owned by Yale University; in the past few decades, they have declared Joseph Smith&#8217;s signature on the letter a forgery.</p>
<p>Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader.  <img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />His church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size.  They had some well known converts too:  Martin Harris, William Smith (Joseph&#8217;s brother), William Cowdery (Oliver&#8217;s father), William Marks (stake president in Nauvoo), William McLellin (former apostle), Hiram Page, and some of the Whitmer brothers.</p>
<p>Strang claimed an angel visited him, appointing him as prophet.  As part of his calling, he translated the Brass Plates into a book of scripture called &#8220;The Book of the Law of the Lord&#8221; written by Moses, and in Laban&#8217;s possession.  Originally against polygamy, Strang translated the book (first published in 1851), which said polygamy was a godly commandment.</p>
<p>Strang originally moved his followers to Voree, Wisconsin, and then received another revelation to move to Beaver Island, Michigan.  He crowned himself king, and was assassinated there by disgruntled followers.  The Strangites still exist today.  The have a few hundred members in Kansas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wisconsin.  <a href="http://strangite.org/" target="_blank">Here is a website from a Strangite follower</a>.  (It contains an online version of the Book of the Law of the Lord.)  John Hamer says the <a href="http://www.churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaintsstrangite.com/" target="_blank">official website for the church is found here</a>.</p>
<p>Independent historian Vickie Speek, John Hamer &amp; Mike Karpowicz of <a href="http://johnwhitmerbooks.com/">John Whitmer Books</a>, and Bill Russell of <a href="http://graceland.edu" target="_blank">Graceland University</a> (the CoC version of BYU) answered a few questions following their presentation on the past 160 years of Strangite history.</p>
<blockquote><p>Newell Bringhurst, “I found it very enlightening too, but the one area I wanted to hear a little bit more about was the core teachings, the liturgy.  Did you get a sense, particularly John and Mike?  [Vickie] You went into the Law of the Lord in your paper and those tenets and teachings, but what core teachings were perpetuated to the make things that give them an identity as far as their Mormonism or moving beyond or in a different direction in terms of their Mormon teachings that we would identify with as Mormons, from a Latter-Day Saint tradition?”</p>
<p>John Hamer, “I identified in my paper that there is a remarkable continuity.  When we first looked into this, we weren’t sure how this church that had been on Beaver Island and in Wisconsin, how did it end up being in New Mexico?  So we wondered, ‘is this a Neo-Strangite Church?  Is this a bunch of people who got converted and started calling themselves Strangites that don’t have any actual continuity?’  But we found in the course of looking through the records&#8211;we had incredible access to all the church’s records, we interviewed a dozen of the oldest members of the church, the branch records going all the way back to the 19th century are all kept in the vaults and all maintained—there is a remarkable continuity of practice and teaching that occurs because these Beaver Island members taught this new generation.  The practices remain and all sorts of things remain.</p>
<p>Some of the things we mentioned were sealing—sealing continues to be done, so that is unusual for Midwestern Mormons for example.  Most of the other branches other than the Cutlerites don’t do that.  You don’t have that in the Community of Christ.  It’s not in the Hedrickites.  They’re sealed for time and all eternity.  This idea of adopting into a noble and a princely household, these kingdom powers—that was being done all the way up through the [19]60’s, especially members of the Flanders clan were sealed, adopting into this Ketchum household that they were intermarried with in the 19th century, but essentially had forgotten that they were inter-married with.  This was more or less forgotten.  Some of this history has been recovered from the records, this connection between Joseph Ketchum and Granny Flanders.  Remember that Granny Flanders was this matriarch who had done this.</p>
<p>I would just say there are an incredible number of practices, there are all kinds of Strangite practices.  The Book of the Law of the Lord is integral as scripture.  It is read.  The Voree Branch are 7th day Sabbath-tarians—that’s Strangite practice.  The Laws of Sacrifice so they would sacrifice first fruits so again a lot of Strangite practice, because they had a second prophet, there’s all sorts of things that they have that other branches don’t have.  So I think the continuity is actually remarkable and the amount of practice and preservation is remarkable.  There are just a few things that fall out, because they don’t have the top priesthood offices.  So some things they don’t feel are valid to do.  One of those is plural marriages for example, they’re not done.</p>
<p>Vickie Speek, “There’s something we didn’t mention is the fact that according to Strangite belief, the lesser cannot ordain the higher. So they’ve lost their prophet, they’ve lost their priesthood, because only God can make a prophet.  Man can’t.  Man can’t make another prophet, so when James Strang died, the prophet died.</p>
<p>John Hamer, “It’s simply invalid for a teacher to ordain a priest.  Likewise, you cannot have an apostle ordain a prophet.  So that’s why Joseph [Smith] III’s ordination is invalid.  William Marks, as great of priesthood or whatever as he had is not a prophet, he cannot ordain a prophet.  Likewise Brigham Young, the other apostles that ordain him—that’s simply invalid in Strangite view, because the lesser cannot ordain the greater.</p>
<p>Newell Bringhurst, “So then the highest priesthood office then is a high priest, is that correct?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yes, High Priest.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “Since prophets die, and  Joseph was killed, then how are you going to have a successor to Joseph?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Angelic ordination.”</p>
<p>??? “Just the way Strang was ordained.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “James Strang could have, under the direction of God, laid his hands and ordained somebody before he passed, but he did not.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hts.gatech.edu/faculty/foster-lawrence.php" target="_blank">Larry Foster</a>, “I also commend the excellent papers.  I had a couple questions more to Vickie, and maybe I missed part of it, or maybe it was answered elsewhere.  On the Book of the Law of the Lord, that’s an extremely impressive book I think.  I looked at it, but the 1856 edition is much bigger than the original book which is only about 50 pages?  A lot of the best stuff in the 1856 edition is these extended explanatory notes, I don’t know if polygamy is in the original text of the edition, or is it part of that explanatory notes stuff that extends the length of the book so much?</p>
<p>The other question I had was an inevitable question about Strang—what does one make of him?  He didn’t ordain a successor even though he was alive for several weeks after he was shot fatally.  Going back, how does polygamy get in there?  How about John C. Bennett?  It seems like John C. Bennett is right there at the heart of Nauvoo polygamy and Strangite polygamy and it seems like he was equally destructive in both contexts.  [audience chuckles]</p>
<p>I also wondered, I read one of Strang’s articles.  Golly, he could sure write.  He almost convinced me that polygamy was a great thing to liberate women.  [audience chuckles]  It gives them all kinds of choices they don’t have and they’re not stuck with a bunch of dodos.  It would appear, and I’ve been criticized by one of the Strangites for saying this, that certainly his letter of appointment was a forgery, that it seems to reflect his own diary.  It is block printed, the name has no relationship to Joseph Smith.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “We talked about his appointment at the beginning.”</p>
<p>Foster, “Oh you did.  There’s a pretty clear cut case of forgery, or maybe did you find some other approach?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “The way that I have looked at it.  When I wrote my book about the Strangites, I approached it basically as a newspaper reporter.  I was not going to take a position either way, I was just going to tell the story.  Because to me, it doesn’t matter to me what my opinion of James Strang was, but I was doing the story of the people who believed him, so that’s the way I wrote my book, and that’s the way I still basically look at it.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for the people who followed James Strang, and the Strangites of today, because their [road] is not the main road.  Theirs has been a very hard, hard road with a lot of heartache.</p>
<p>Now I would like to make one comment.  As far as I know, there is only a few copies of the 1851 Book of the Law, and there is somebody here who is familiar with the 1851 Book of the Law, and I’d like to ask him if there is polygamy in it?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Yeah, there is.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “It’s basically the same thing?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “It’s in the main text, right?  In other words, it just lacks the commentary, so it has the text, it just doesn’t explain it, right?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Are you guys asking me?”  [audience chuckles]  “Yeah, I have an 1851 Book of the Law and it’s an 80 page preliminary version.  It was published as a pamphlet with colored, printed wrappers on it.  It doesn’t have the explanatory notes.  It has 95% of the sections.  He continued to translate some additional sections.  There are some interesting differences.  For example, the first edition doesn’t have a chapter on baptism for the dead, and Strang includes his earlier 1849 revelation on baptism for the dead instead, and then has a footnote that says baptism for the dead evidently didn’t exist in the Old Testament.  Later he translates a chapter after on baptism from this Mosaic period, allegedly Mosaic period record.  So his own views changed.  But on polygamy he didn’t change.  The laws on the number of wives a king could have and things like that are all in that first edition.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “That 1851 edition does have that you say?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Right.</p>
<p>Mike, “Bill, is my assumption correct that with the assassination of Strang, that the tensions between the Strangites and the state and federal government kind of dissipated at that point.  It is interesting to me that whereas the army had a relationship with the Utah church for quite a while, Strang was shot virtually under the guns of the USS Michigan, a naval vessel on the Great Lakes.  I don’t know what the reports that were filed by the state of Michagan were, and how they were considered when they got back to Washington to the Navy Department in the Pierce administration, but were the tensions with the state governments of in Michigan and Wisconsin and federal government dissipated after the assassination?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yeah, because they also got expelled.  They picked up all the members.  They spoiled them of all their property.  They put them on rented boats and they dropped them off all along the coast line destitute in little tiny groups.  So it was the worst kind of persecution results than any other Mormons faced.”</p>
<p>Mike, “Did the navy play a part in that or was it all surveyance from Mackinaw City?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “There is no positive evidence.  However, you take all the circumstantial evidence together, and I say yes.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Not in the dropping off of the people.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Not in the dropping off of people, no.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “But like Mike said, the warship is there in the murder.”</p>
<p>Mike, “Does the USS Michigan ferry people from Mackinaw City to St. James as part of the mob?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yes.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “As part of the Mob?”</p>
<p>Mike, “Yes”</p>
<p>Vickie, “I don’t believe it was the Michigan.  There were 2 ships in Michigan.  There was a steamer and there was a warship.”</p>
<p>Mike, “I’m asking about the USS Michigan, the warship.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “I don’t know.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Right, The warship left the dock though.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Right, it left the dock when Strang was murdered and the murderers jumped on the ship and then left.”</p>
<p>Mike, “2 guys jumped on the ship.”</p>
<p>Vickie and Hamer, “Right.”</p>
<p>Mike, “They left on the USS Michigan?”</p>
<p>Vickie and Hamer, “Yes”.</p>
<p>Mike, “It’s an interesting parallel with the 2 churches: one with the army involved, and the other with the navy.” [audience chuckles]</p>
<p>Vickie, “I think the conflict was gone, because the Strangites were gone, they were scattered.”</p>
<p>Mike, “and the polygamy issue kind of faded away, then?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Right.”</p>
<p>William Russell, “Here’s a question right here, and then our time is expired so maybe this should be our last one.”</p>
<p>Woman, “Why did they kill James Strang?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “That’s a good question.  Basically, people had become disillusioned with Strang.  Strang was caught trying to follow the Book of the Law and one of the tenets of the church is no alcohol, and basically the Strangites didn’t allow alcohol and they did not support the sale of alcohol to the Native Americans and there was a lot of conflict with the gentiles, and so forth who wanted to sell alcohol.  Strangites became thirsty and they left the fold for other reasons, and those are the ones that basically were in the conspiracy to kill Strang.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “That’s one of them.  That’s on ongoing conflict.  Whenever Mormons gather together in big numbers and took political control and things like that, they would have conflict with their neighbors.  There are all kinds of problems that result from that including the 2 groups don’t trust each other, they don’t feel they can get justice from each other.  The other Americans see Mormons gathering under one prophet as being un-American.  There’s a lot of tendency to go and kill that prophet.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “One other thing though, he did serve 1 term in the Michigan legislature.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Two terms.”</p>
<p>Russell, “Well 2 years I think is all.  But anyway, he was considered very effective according to the Detroit Free Press.  It’s interesting that a prophet and king could be elected to the Michigan legislature and get along well.” [audience chuckles]  He was also a member of the farms.  Well thank you very much, this was an excellent session.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Like I said, it was a fascinating question.  I&#8217;ve invited John Hamer and a few others to entertain questions if you have any.  Do you have any questions for them?</p>
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		<title>A Non-Historical View of the Book of Mormon</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non historical view of the Book of Mormon? My daughter Bethany and her friend Clare have recently gone to the Community of Christ Church. They enjoyed it and said the members were very open and friendly but the church at least here in the UK didn’t seem anything like our Brighamite version of the church. I understand that many of their high ranking members don’t view the book of Mormon as historical. Some members feel it&#8217;s historical; some feel it’s inspired, and some would like to see it jettisoned from the canon of scripture. I thought it was quite courageous of their leaders to consult with historians and look at the facts as they see them and to seek and follow what they felt was God’s will, doing all of this by common consent with the members in their church. One of their members Wayne Ham did a summary report (below) called Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History! But before you read his report please take the following quiz: [poll id="171"] [poll id="172"] [poll id="173"] [poll id="174"] [poll id="175"] Please [...]]]></description>
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<p>Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non historical view of the Book of Mormon?<span id="more-11020"></span></p>
<p>My daughter Bethany and her friend Clare have recently gone to the Community of Christ Church. They enjoyed it and said the members were very open and friendly but the church at least here in the UK didn’t seem anything like our Brighamite version of the church.</p>
<p>I understand that many of their high ranking members don’t view the book of Mormon as historical. Some members feel it&#8217;s historical; some feel it’s inspired, and some would like to see it jettisoned from the canon of scripture.</p>
<p>I thought it was quite courageous of their leaders to consult with historians and look at the facts as they see them and to seek and follow what they felt was God’s will, doing all of this by common consent with the members in their church.</p>
<p>One of their members Wayne Ham did a summary report (below) called <em>Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History!</em> But before you read his report please take the following quiz:</p>
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<p>Please read if you can all of Wayne Ham&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thecybercommunity.net/publish/stories.php?story=05/07/02/1025297">Problems in Interpreting the Book of Mormon as History </a>from the Community of  Christ Web Page.  Below are some selections from Ham&#8217;s paper which I highly recommend you read if you have the time:</p>
<blockquote><p>The origin and destiny of the [so-called] &#8220;Red Man&#8221; were among the chief topics for speculation and discussion on the early nineteenth century American frontier. The presence of many Indian burial mounds in the Great Lakes region was a constant source of curiosity for the settlers in that region. In 1823 Ethan Smith, a Vermont pastor, published a book entitled View of the Hebrews: or the Ten Tribes of Israel in America.</p>
<p>Those who received the Book of Mormon from the hands of eager missionaries were urged not only to assent to the narrative as a historical account of the Indians&#8217; ancestory, but also to accept the book as evidence that God had broken the silence of centuries to restore his church to the earth by means of a young prophet. Many of the early Latter Day Saint believers took an all-or-nothing approach.  If the Book of Mormon was true, the religion expounded by its author and proprietor was true also. If the book should ever prove to be false, all validity for the restoration movement would necessarily have to be disclaimed.</p>
<p>The book immediately attained a canonical status in the minds of the Latter Day Saints that made literal acceptance of it as the revelation of God to the ancient Americans a matter of faith. As far as church members were concerned, the book was impervious to any kind of critical investigation and judgment.</p>
<p>As modern historical and textual scholarship in the realm of biblical studies became increasing appreciated and influential at the grassroots level in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and thus known to some extent to Latter Day Saints, a defensive reaction set in among some church members, resulting in some stiff resistance to allowing the tools of this scholarship to be applied to the church&#8217;s understandings of the Book of Mormon. Thus Book of Mormon studies in the past have been characterized by polemics, apologetics, and amateur archaeological surveys whenever the concern has moved beyond merely exploring the intricate details of the very complex narrative of migrations, wars, and religious revivals among the Book of Mormon peoples.</p>
<p>Because the temper of our times is such that no movement nor institution nor book can forever remain impervious to the searchlight of scholarly inspection, out times demand that all the rudiments of religious faith be subjected to the scrutiny of reason and empirical research.</p>
<p>As the Book of Mormon is examined without any intention solely to amass data to support preconceived notions about it, certain problems concerning traditional understanding of the books stand out. These problems include:</p>
<p>1<strong>. The story of its coming forth</strong>. The actual events culminating in the publication of the book are, as of now, quite irrecoverable in that it is impossible to distill a unified account from all the primary and secondary reports.</p>
<p>2. <strong>Identifying the book&#8217;s narrative with a particular time and space</strong>. Extravagant claims about ancient American archaeology supporting the Book of Mormon have been made. Toltec, Mayan and even Aztec ruins, all of a comparatively late period, have been unfortunately identified with Book of Mormon peoples.</p>
<p>3, <strong>The book&#8217;s propensity for reflecting in detail the religious concerns of the American frontier</strong>. Alexander Campbell in 1831 pointed out that every major theological question of the frontier was covered in the Book of Mormon, including infant baptism, ordination and ministerial authority, the trinity, regeneration, the fall of man, the atonement, transubstantiation, fasting, penance, church government, religious experience, the general resurrection, eternal punishment, and even the burning question of Freemasonry, republican government and the rights of man.</p>
<p>4<strong>. The Christological perspective of the book</strong>. To some students of theology, it would appear that there is a marked incongruity between the Christ Event of the New Testament and the Christ Event of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>5. <strong>The book&#8217;s ethical implications, when viewed as universally binding upon all men</strong>. Some Latter Day Saints, in talking of the Book of Mormon as the &#8220;fullness of the gospel&#8221; (D. &amp; C. 17:2), believe that the book reveals the will of God more perfectly than any other resource we possess. Moreover they would assert that the transmission process involved in preserving and bringing forth the book would bypass many of the scribal errors to which the Bible was admittedly vulnerable.</p>
<p>6. <strong>The use of biblical scripture and ideas as sources</strong>. Several sizeable sections of the King James Version of the Bible are found in the Book of Mormon, including twenty-one chapters of Isaiah, the Sermon on the Mount, the Ten Commandments, Malachi 3 and 4, I Corinthians 12:1-11 and Acts 3:22-26. In addition to such full-fledged quotations, the Book of Mormon is replete with short biblical expressions. John Hyde counted 298 biblical snatches from the New Testament alone in the first 428 pages of the first edition of the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>8<strong>. The matter of Book of Mormon anachronisms</strong>. Those who approach the Book of Mormon with the view of proving it to be essentially what it seems to claim to be–a record of the history of ancient Americans who lived between 2200 BC and AD 400–immediately find themselves having to deal with the problem of anachronisms.</p>
<p>9. <strong>The changes in the Book of Mormon</strong>. While the book itself confesses the possibility of errors, many claims concerning the verbal accuracy of the book have long been made by Book of Mormon adherents. Joseph Smith himself at one time state that &#8220;the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth.&#8221; Modern Microfilm Company of Salt Lake City has recently published a work documenting 3,913 changes in the Book of Mormon since its first printing.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusions.</strong> None of the above problems areas &#8220;disprove&#8221; the Book of Mormon. They do, however, raise some questions about our traditional understandings concerning the book. Perhaps for some church members answers to the questions raised in this article would seem to be readily available. For others, however, quick and easy answers will not solve the dilemma. Perhaps the time has come in the church to recognize that some members want to openly espouse a non-literal view of the Book of Mormon, treating it as a non-historical treatise in much the same manner as modern critics view the books of Jonah, Ruth, Job, and Daniel in the Old Testament. Freed from some of the traditional hang-ups involved with having to accept unquestioningly the historicity of the Book of Mormon, these members could then read the book as a product of the Restoration movement in the nineteenth century, perhaps thus &#8220;enjoying&#8221; this fascinating piece of literature for the very first time.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>After Action Report: The Community of Christ Did WHAT?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Headline in the Independence Examiner for Thursday, April 15, 2010: &#8220;Delegation Takes No Action on Human Sexuality Issues: Church Will Continue Dialogue.&#8221; Headline  by John Hamer on BCC on Thursday, April 15, 2010: &#8220;Gay Rights Revelation Added to The Community of Christ D&#38;C&#8221; &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- The two headlines above generally cover the spectrum of opinion about what happened at the Community of Christ World Conference as it completed the process of canonization of a new Section 164 for its D&#38;C. The spectrum of opinions about whether what happened was a good thing or bad thing, of course, runs even more broadly. Indeed, I’m not at all certain that we’ll even be able to see how intense the various “colors” of that spectrum will prove until information about the conference filters down to the bulk of the North American church that maintains no real connection to the World Church in the &#8220;Blogitorium&#8221;. As in many churches on the Christian left in North America, that membership tends to be somewhat more traditionalist than its leadership. Nevertheless, I’ll give my view as someone from one part of the peanut gallery, focusing on what was in each portion of Section 164 and the effects of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headline in the <em>Independence</em><em> Examiner </em>for Thursday, April 15, 2010:</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;Delegation Takes No Action on Human Sexuality Issues: Church Will Continue Dialogue.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p>Headline  <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/04/15/gay-rights-revelation-added-to-dc-world-conference-part-2-april-12%e2%80%9315/">by John Hamer on BCC </a> on Thursday, April 15, 2010:</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;Gay Rights Revelation Added to The Community of Christ D&amp;C&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</em></strong></p>
<p>The two headlines above generally cover the spectrum of opinion about what happened at the Community of Christ World Conference as it completed the <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/05/canonizing-modern-revelation-a-tourist-guide/"> process of canonization</a> of a <a href="http://cofchrist.org/dc164/"> new Section 164</a> for its D&amp;C. The spectrum of opinions about whether what happened was a good thing or bad thing, of course, runs even more broadly. Indeed, I’m not at all certain that we’ll even be able to see how intense the various “colors” of that spectrum will prove until information about the conference filters down to the bulk of the North American church that maintains no real connection to the World Church <a href="http://saintsherald.com/2010/04/13/world-conference-in-the-blogosphere/"> in the &#8220;Blogitorium&#8221;</a>. As in many churches on the Christian left in North America, that membership tends to be somewhat more traditionalist than its leadership.<span id="more-10678"></span></p>
<p>Nevertheless, I’ll give my view as someone from one part of the peanut gallery, focusing on what was in each portion of Section 164 and the effects of associated legislation passed to begin implementation. A future post will provide a similar analysis on legislation considered by the Conference not specifically addressed by Section 164 and suggest something about the overall direction of the Community of Christ in the future.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPHS 1-4</span></strong></p>
<p>President Veazey describes the experiences of meditation, particularly on portions of Galatians 3:27-29, that led him to offer the Section. After commending the church for similarly seeking to discern the Spirit in a structured process that has been going on for well over a year, he makes explicit an understanding of the church and its sacraments which has been implicit in CofChrist theology for a number of years.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;Instruction given previously about baptism was proper to ensure the rise and cohesiveness of the church during its early development and in following years. However, as a growing number have come to understand, the redemptive action of God in Christ—while uniquely and authoritatively expressed through the church—is not confined solely to the church. God’s grace, revealed in Jesus Christ, freely moves throughout creation, often beyond human perception, to achieve divine purposes in people’s lives.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Community of Christ is to see itself as “one true church”, not as the “one <em><span style="text-decoration: underline">and only</span></em> true church”. How serious is this theological intent was earlier signaled by something I haven’t seen commentators note elsewhere. The first sessions of Conference always feature certain speeches of welcome. One is usually a non-CofChrist speaker. This speaker is often a local Congressman or a Missouri Senator. The speech is strictly non-political even then, but the identity is interesting because trends over time seem to show the direction of the church leadership’s interest.</p>
<p>This year that slot went to the Rev. Dr. Michael Kinnamon, General Secretary of the National Council of Churches. Kinnamon unabashedly spoke of the Community of Christ having unique gifts that should be seen as adding to bodies such as the NCC, rather than as a body going its own way. Ironically, contacts between the RLDS and the NCC were among the suspicions cited by fundamentalist opponents of the church circa 1970 as evidence of apostasy. Thus, such a speech 40 years ago might itself have been too controversial to occur.</p>
<p>Section 164 then lays out specific instruction (that will be followed quickly by formal administrative policy <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2010/counsel/QA3.asp"> guidance</a> to become effective by September 1, 2011). These policies will result in acceptance into membership into the Community of Christ upon confirmation by CofChrist priesthood – without requiring rebaptism if the original baptism: a) involved water;  b) was performed by an ordained Christian minister;  and c) as a personal expression of faith in Christ. In particular, we will not require someone to present proof of their baptism <em>or the baptizing minister’s credentials</em>, since that would be impossible in many places throughout the world. This clearly expands the notion of <em>true priesthood authority</em> beyond the boundaries of those called through the priesthood line passed to Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>The phrase “using water” also allows for baptisms done by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling, while upholding the church’s own standard practice of baptism by immersion at the age of accountability. There is also some additional specific guidance regarding the substance of the prayer of confirmation (Baptism of the Spirit) that is now the means by which one moves from being part of the Body of Christ into membership within the denomination. And preparation for confirmation will now be a formal requirement for the ordinance to occur.</p>
<p>Paragraph 3 contains a call for all members to serious consider and live the meaning of their baptismal covenants (water and Spirit). Paragraph 4 ties this call to consideration of the role the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper should play in renewing, witnessing, and amplifying our covenant. (Portions of the preamble specifically warn us to NOT make the meaning of the covenants atrophy even as we broaden the procedures, because of the concern that in some places this has happened with open communion).</p>
<p>This portion of the Section makes the Community of Christ look very Protestant – if you can call becoming more Protestant through modern revelation a Protestant concept in the first place.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPHS 5-7</span></strong></p>
<p>These are the paragraphs whose approval generated the widely divergent headlines above. Their actual content is to call attention to “serious questions about moral behavior and relationships” – but to prioritize those questions not simply as they are listed within the dominant culture of the denomination.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“These issues are complex and difficult to understand outside their particular settings because of strikingly different cultural histories, customs, and understandings of scripture. For example, the issues include female submission, female genital mutilation, child brides, forced marriages, and sexual permissiveness. They include cleansing and exploitation of widows, harsh conflicts over same-gender attraction and relationships, and varying legal, religious, and social definitions of marriage, to name just a few.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>More importantly, the Section calls us to see the solutions for these moral dilemmas as arising from an understanding of Christianity as a community that transcends definitions by economic status, social class, sex, gender, or ethnicity. They simply are no longer primary. Relationships are to be rooted in the principles of Christ-like love, mutual respect, responsibility, justice, covenant, and faithfulness, <em>against which there is no law.</em></p>
<p>Section 164 then extrapolates that these principles require that the church move the resolution of moral issues to the church in the cultures most affected by them rather than let the dominant North American church decide for the rest of the world. Field Apostles, under the guidance of the Presidency, are authorized to call and set the agenda for field, national, or (non-geographical) cultural groups to deal with issues such as those listed above as they feel directed.</p>
<p>Uncertainty about the nature and timing of these conferences is generating the widely divergent headlines about gay rights. First, everyone in the Community of Christ seems to understand that the leadership feels that it must not expose our leaders and members in cultures where discussion of gay issues is taboo. If so, they can hardly move toward expanded gay rights in the United States unless they can find a way to maintain what the government would call “plausible deniability&#8221;.</p>
<p>Second, there is a large body of conservative members in the US church (and non-members in society) whose reaction must be anticipated and allowed for. The LDS experience with Prop 8 shows what happens when the church in the US takes any position on controversial issues in the political arena. Many feel the church has moved too hesitantly and will continue to do so; others are likely to feel the church is moving in the wrong direction entirely.</p>
<p>Finally, there are logistical questions. It seems unlikely that the US church has the resources to assemble a national conference on gay rights issues before the spring of 2012 at the earliest. It will take until September, 2011, simply to implement the new conditions for membership.</p>
<p>The greatest sign of movement toward gay rights comes from something in administrative minutia. It is normal for the church to realign Apostolic Fields following a World Conference (our Apostles retire, so there are usually changes in the Twelve). This time a gerrymandered field has been carved out for Apostle Susan Skoor that stretches from Southern Australia to Eastern  Canada – and just happens to cover all of the non-US jurisdictions that proposed World Conference legislation expanding full priesthood and sacramental rites for gays. The extension of rights in that Field or in nations within that Field <em>might be granted</em> while maintaining sufficient distance from the World Church (and prying media) to protect the church in cultures hostile to gay rights.</p>
<p>Expansion to the US is much more difficult to do while maintaining any credibility to foreign governments and religious bodies that “this is just local jurisdictions acting on their own.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps more significantly in the long run than the particular moral issues – at least from the perspective of this Washington spectator – is the change these paragraphs make in the legislative rights of mission centers to set the agenda for the church. The Presidency immediately ruled 21 legislative proposals that had been painstakingly brought to the conference as out of order because they reflect National or Regional concerns. These rulings were entirely appropriate under Section 164 guidance.</p>
<p>However, the Conference later passed implementing legislation for the field and national conferences that make them “special conferences”. Such conferences operate under different parliamentary rules than World Conference. In particular,  Mission Centers lack the right to place items on the agenda of special conferences; that agenda is set <em>only</em> by the Apostle who calls the conference with the approval of the Presidency. In short, this revelation makes the Community of Christ less democratic and more theocratic than it was a year ago.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPH 8</span></strong></p>
<p>Paragraph 8, by contrast, shows the flexibility and speed with which the Community of Christ can move on organizational issues when it wishes to do so. The Twelve and the Presidents of the Seven Quorums of Seventy have been meeting for several years in response to the immediately previous revelation (Section 163) to consider organizational changes to increase evangelistic effectiveness. Paragraph 8 is taken as authorization to make these changes.</p>
<p>Within 24 hours of Section 164 approval, the number of Quorums of Seventy was increased from seven to ten, the additional Quorum Presidents were named, and they were approved by the Conference and set apart to that calling. Jack Bauer couldn&#8217;t have moved faster. Clearly, the outcome of these discussions among the leading quorums was well prepared in advance, while they are still feeling their way around the notion of how and when national conferences will function.</p>
<p>Reorganization of the Twelve, while not fundamental, essentially separates the world into 10 Fields for the moment, each led by an Apostle, with the remaining two Apostles focusing on Headquarters-oriented tasks. For the first time, a single Quorum of Seventy will be aligned with the geographic or other missionary focus of a Field Apostle.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPH 9</span></strong></p>
<p>The final paragraph of the document is a benediction of sorts, and a challenge that the rise of Zion is no farther away than the willingness of all of us – all the “beloved children of the Restoration” – to overcome our insecurities and embrace a Christ-like life.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The mission of Jesus Christ is what matters most to the journet ahead.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Squaring the Circle, balance and ideals</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A discussion of Squaring the Circle, a geometric puzzle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/400px-squaring_the_circle.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-9299" style="margin: 10px;" title="400px-squaring_the_circle" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/400px-squaring_the_circle-300x282.jpg" alt="" width="214" height="201" /></a>Squaring the Circle is a geometry problem and a spiritual puzzle.  It dates back at least 4,000 years.  All of the great cultures that expressed advanced mathematics and philosophy approached this problem and had a mythology to give it meaning.  On one hand, it is a practical, geometric exercise exploring approximations of PI and Phi.  On the other hand, it is a philosophical puzzle to combine opposites and find the perfect balance.  Can a human find their way through the maze of different extremes that we encounter in our mortal experience?  We must navigate between light and darkness, health and sickness, pleasure and pain, life and death, good and evil.  The greatest minds in history have expressed pleasure and enlightenment from this geometry exercise.  A famous Greek philosopher included a statement in his work “On Exile” referring to one of his fellow countrymen who worked the squaring problem:</p>
<p>“There is no place that can take away the happiness of a man, nor yet his virtue or wisdom. Anaxagoras, indeed, wrote on the squaring of the circle while in prison.”</p>
<p>-Plutarch</p>
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The basic puzzle is this: Using only a square, a compass, a straight edge and a writing stick, create a square with the same circumference or area as a circle. It has to be done in a finite number of steps.  You can not measure it numerically (with a ruler). It all has to be done through proportion and true principles using four unmarked tools.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a geometry puzzle with meanings, here are some basic interpretations.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/42264.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9305" style="border: 1px solid black; margin-right: 5px; margin-left: 5px;" title="42264" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/42264-150x99.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="67" /></a><strong>Right-Angled Square:</strong></span> This represents logic and law.  It is associated with the head and mind.  It is left thinking.<span style="color: #ffffff;"> </span></p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Compasses.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9306" style="border: 1px solid black; margin-right: 5px; margin-left: 5px;" title="Compasses" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Compasses-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Compass:</span></strong> Used for making circles.  This represents feeling and intuition, the emotional mind.  It is associated with the heart.  It is right thinking.<span style="color: #ffffff;"> </span></p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ist2_3871875-drawing-line.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9307" style="border: 1px solid black; margin: 5px;" title="ist2_3871875-drawing-line" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ist2_3871875-drawing-line-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Writing Stick: </strong></span>This represents our desire, our appetites, what we hunger for, the energy and will that drives action (like drawing and working a puzzle).  It could also be called faith in its verb form.  It is associated with the belly, the source of hunger and desire.</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/530274771.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-9314" style="border: 1px solid black; margin: 5px;" title="530274771" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/530274771.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Straight Edge:</strong></span> This represents precision, exactness and a division between opposites (good/evil, dark/light, etc.).  It represents a decision, a commitment and an action that separates thinking from doing.  The knee divides the upper leg from the lower leg, and the leg is symbolic of walking a path towards a destination.  A straight line represents boundaries.<span style="color: #ffffff;">.</span></p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Square.gif"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9304" title="Square" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Square-150x150.gif" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a>A square shape is symbolic of the “four corners” of the earth, the physical world, the tangible, the rational, our body, our material experience and the absolute of truth.  It represents that which is defined and the finite.<span style="color: #ffffff;">.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;">&#8230;</span></p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/circle.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9309" style="margin: 5px;" title="circle" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/circle-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="100" height="100" /></a>A circle shape is symbolic of the heavens, the spiritual world, the intangible, the irrational or transcendental, that which surrounds and embraces our spirit and ideal potential.  It represents that which is beyond definition, the eternal and infinite.<span style="color: #ffffff;">.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff;">&#8230;</span></p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Andsq1.png"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-9310" style="margin: 5px;" title="Andsq1" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Andsq1-150x150.png" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>Squaring the Circle asks the initiate to reconcile the circle with the square, and through that process grow and receive wisdom. Can you reconcile the mind and the heart? Can you combine heaven and earth to find a place where they meet? Can you balance perfectly your intellect with your emotions to find a solution? How does your spirit and body combine to become one?  Where is the boundary between justice and mercy?  These are the questions answered through pondering and meditating on solutions to the puzzle.</p>
<p>It is said that all truth (a square) can be circumscribed (a circle) into one great whole (perfection and enlightenment).</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/vitruvian-man.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9311" style="margin: 5px;" title="vitruvian-man" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/vitruvian-man-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>The answers to Squaring the Circle will get you past the stumbling blocks, like gate keepers inside your soul, that prevent you from entering through the veil of mortality to your kingdom as a returning champion, a queen or king, the victorious hero from an epic quest.</p>
<p>Our contemporary modern society has moved away from metaphorical expression like this.  We are often not comfortable working in symbol when it comes to the spiritual.  If things aren’t factually true (such as the details of a myth), then they are false and should be discarded.  We find artistic and religious metaphor silly, even pointless in our materialistic, technician-oriented culture.  Left-brained labels and icons define all by putting things into neat boxes but leave out what the right brain intuits through relationship and proportion.  If only there was a way to preserve this exercise of Squaring the Circle in a new religious framework, a way to re-purpose it for the modern world, many could benefit from such a metaphorical hero’s quest in their life journey.  Someone would probably want to borrow from the ancients and from traditions handed down over the ages, since those that came before us already did so much work.  It would be wasteful to reinvent the wheel completely from scratch, I would think. *wink*</p>
<p>-Brian Johnston, <a href="http://www.staylds.com/" target="_blank">www.staylds.com</a></p>
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		<title>Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[David W. Bercot, a Texas attorney and Evangelical Christian, embarked on a quest to discover what Christians believed and practiced before the Nicene Creed. What he learned caused him to seriously re-evaluate his beliefs, to eventually change his religious affiliation, and to present his findings and analysis in his book Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up. Although the book represents a critique of mainstream Evangelical Christianity in light of the teachings of the Early Church Fathers, Bercot&#8217;s analysis has surprising and thought-provoking application to Mormonism as well. While some may see Will the Real Heretics Stand Up as evidence that Joseph Smith successfully restored many Early Christian doctrines and practices, others may see the overlap between Early Christians and Mormons as the predictable result of Mormonism&#8217;s historical connection to the Campbellite Restorationist movement. Bercot was raised as a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness but left over differences about Biblical interpretation, and subsequently became an Evangelical Christian. However, he had doubts about some Evangelical doctrines as well, such as the idea of eternal security (once saved, always saved), and remained convinced the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses&#8217; belief in pacifism was correct. Based on the fact that the pre-Nicene Church Fathers were the closest in time [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-6290" title="Heretics-New" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Heretics-New.jpg" alt="Heretics-New" />David W. Bercot, a Texas attorney and Evangelical Christian, embarked on a quest to discover what Christians believed and practiced before the Nicene Creed.  What he learned caused him to seriously re-evaluate his beliefs, to eventually change his religious affiliation, and to present his findings and analysis in his book <em><a href="http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/books-early-christianity.html">Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up</a>. </em>Although the book represents a critique of mainstream Evangelical Christianity in light of the teachings of the Early Church Fathers, Bercot&#8217;s analysis has  surprising and thought-provoking application to Mormonism as well. While some may see <em>Will the Real Heretics Stand Up </em>as evidence that Joseph Smith successfully restored many Early Christian doctrines and practices, others may see the overlap between Early Christians and Mormons as the  predictable result of Mormonism&#8217;s historical connection to the Campbellite Restorationist movement.</p>
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<p>Bercot was raised as a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness but left over differences about  Biblical interpretation, and subsequently became an Evangelical Christian.  However, he had doubts about some Evangelical doctrines as well, such as the  idea of eternal security (once saved, always saved), and remained convinced the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses&#8217; belief in pacifism was correct.</p>
<p>Based on the fact that the pre-Nicene Church Fathers were the closest in time and place to the Apostles, Bercot reasoned that present-day disputes over scriptural interpretation could similarly be resolved by examining the writings of the pre-Nicene Church Fathers to determine how they interpreted and applied scripture.  (These pre-Nicene Church fathers lived anywhere between 50 and 325 A.D.)  Bercot&#8217;s legal training taught him to seek out the primary sources<em> </em>containing the writings of the pre-Nicene Church Fathers, rather than relying on modern treatises that often present sixth or seventh-hand accounts of what the Early Christians supposedly believed and practiced.</p>
<p>At the conclusion of his research, Bercot published a ten-volume collection of the <a href="http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/more-anf.html?__utma=1.787694701.1247694575.1247697506.1247776748.3&amp;__utmb=1&amp;__utmc=1&amp;__utmx=-&amp;__utmz=1.1247694575.1.1.utmccn%3D(direct)%7Cutmcsr%3D(direct)%7Cutmcmd%3D(none)&amp;__utmv=-&amp;__utmk=34963234">Ante-Nicene Fathers</a>&#8216; writings, the most comprehensive collection of primary sources available in English.   Bercot then compared what he learned about pre-Nicene Christianity to mainstream Evangelical Christianity, formed his own <a href="http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/index.html">publishing company</a>, and published his summarized findings and analysis in <em>Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up.<br />
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<p>Mormons might be interested to know that Bercot&#8217;s research into the Early Christian Church demonstrates that the LDS Church today shares many of the doctrines of the Early Church, including:</p>
<ul>
<li>A concept of salvation that stresses the importance of both faith and obedience.  As Bercot puts it: &#8220;The early Christians believed that salvation is a gift from God but that God gives His gift to whomever he chooses.  <em>And He chooses to give it to those who love and obey him.&#8221; </em>(Emphasis in original.) According to Bercot, the mainstream Evangelical interpretation of &#8220;saved by grace&#8221; actually originated with St. Augustine after the Nicene Creed.</li>
<li>That a person, once saved, could fall from grace and lose his salvation through disobedience.</li>
<li>That salvation depends on a person&#8217;s correct exercise of his free will, rather than being predestined arbitrarily and irrevocably by God.</li>
<li>That baptism actually effectuates a remission of sins, rather than simply being a sign of outward commitment.</li>
<li>That unbaptized infants who died before baptism could still be saved, as well as other good and noble people who died without baptism.</li>
<li>That Christians should observe the sacrament of the Lord&#8217;s Supper weekly.</li>
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<p>However, Mormons might also be interested to know that, according to Bercot, the Early Christians held additional beliefs and practices that may be waning or absent from Mormonism:</p>
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<li>Early Christians had no belief resembling the modern &#8220;health and wealth&#8221; gospel that physical health and safety, or material prosperity, are blessings for righteous living.  Rather, the Early Christians lived in material simplicity, striving to have all things in common and giving to the poor to the point of joining others in their poverty.</li>
<li>Early Christians believed in separating themselves from the world as much as possible, going so far as to abstain from politics and the legal system, refusing to take oaths, and abstaining from the popular amusements of the day.</li>
<li>Early Christians rejected capital punishment and even refused to assist in prosecuting someone for a capital offense.  Similarly, Early Christians rejected war and refused to serve in the military.  According to Bercot, the concept of the &#8220;just war&#8221; did not exist amongst Christians until St. Augustine.</li>
<li>Many Early Church Fathers taught there was no special doctrinal revelation after the apostles and that everything we need to know about God had been revealed to the apostles by Jesus.</li>
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<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-6572" title="IMG_1624" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/IMG_16241.jpg" alt="IMG_1624" width="256" height="192" />As <em>Real Heretics </em>crept into Christian bookstores, Bercot was surprised to learn that the book was making a huge splash in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptist">Anabaptist</a> (Amish/Mennonite) circles. Bercot&#8217;s historical validation of several Anabaptist doctrines like pacifism, baptismal regeneration, separation from the world, and a rejection of the Reformation doctrines of <em>sola fide</em> (faith only) and predestination backed up several of their most cherished views.  While Bercot was intrigued to learn that his findings greatly overlapped with Anabaptist beliefs, he found no legitimate basis for some Anabaptist beliefs, such as their lack of evangelism and avoidance of modern technology.</p>
<p>Over the next several years, Bercot struggled to find a religious community that embraced all Early Christian beliefs and practices as he understood them. He formed his own short-lived Early Christian Fellowship, but later affiliated with the Anglican Church because it allowed him freedom to form his own society to promote Early Christian beliefs, and because it is one of the older Christian churches that avoids the veneration of icons. However, Bercot eventually left the Anglicans due to their Catholic practice of venerating the Virgin Mary and espousing the &#8220;Just War&#8221; theory.</p>
<p>Bercot ultimately relocated to Pennsylvania, where he currently resides, and now affiliates with the Mennonites, who have many, but not all, of the Early Christian beliefs and practices that his research discovered.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em><strong>The Campbellite-Mormon Connection</strong></em></p>
<p>As I read <em>Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up</em>, I was intrigued to find a non-LDS scholar giving historical support for so many LDS doctrines.  Page after page, I kept wondering to myself: When Joseph Smith set out to restore the Early Christian Church, how did this largely uneducated 25-year old get so many things right?  As far as I know, Joseph was ignorant of the writings of the Early Church Fathers.  I couldn&#8217;t see how Joseph could have had the time or means to pour over old texts written by Polycarp, Ignatius, Origen, Ireneus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, or any of the other Early Church Fathers.  Nor am I aware of Joseph ever having quoted the Early Church Fathers in his sermons or writings.</p>
<p>Moreover, I was struck by the fact that some of the Early Christian beliefs and practices that seem to be waning or absent in Mormonism today, such as the strong emphasis on creating a separate society and having all things in common, were found in Mormonism as originally established by Joseph Smith.  The differences between Mormons today and the Early Christians (e.g., Mormons&#8217; abandonment of communal living, strong involvement in political and legal affairs, common approval of capital punishment, military service, and strong allegiance to country) all seem to have resulted from Mormon &#8220;mainstreaming&#8221; over the past century .</p>
<p>In response to the question of how Joseph Smith got so many things right when he undertook to restore the Early Church, faithful Mormons will likely respond that Smith&#8217;s success owes to the fact that he was a true prophet of God who was called to restore the true Church of Jesus Christ. However, <em>Real Heretics </em>presents information that many others have cited to provide another possible explanation.  After discussing the Early Church, Bercot discusses the eventual corruption and apostasy of the Church, and the valiant efforts of the Reformers to root out that corruption.  Bercot then traces the development of several <em>Restorationist</em> branches of Christianity using language that will ring familiar to Mormons:</p>
<blockquote><p>Whereas Luther had sought to <em>reform</em> the existing church-state establishment, others concluded that such an establishment was beyond reforming.  So they worked to <em>restore</em> primitive Christianity apart from the church-state institution.  Since the days of Luther, there have been numerous such movements to restore early Christianity.  <em>Real Heretics, p. 149.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Although Bercot does not identify Mormonism as one of those Restorationist movements, he does identify one of Mormonism&#8217;s cousins, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_Movement">Stone-Campbellite Movement</a>, as being one of the more successful Restoration movements:</p>
<blockquote><p>Another movement to restore primitive Christianity sprung up in America in the early 1800s out of the Presbyterian church. . . .  Barton W. Stone, a Presbyterian minister, began a movement in Kentucky to restore apostolic Christianity.  Stone&#8217;s chief objective was to restore the holy living and separation from the world that had marked early Christianity.</p>
<p>In the 1820s, Stone&#8217;s movement merged with a separate movement begun by Thomas and Alexander Campbell, who were also seeking to restore primitive Christianity.  One of Alexander Campbell&#8217;s primary objectives was to achieve unity among all Christians, forsaking all man-made creeds and traditions and returning to the forms, structures, and doctrines of the apostolic church.  <em>Real Heretics, p. 151.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Both Stone and the Campbells published journals urging a Restoration of the Early Church in the early 1800’s (<em>The Christian Baptist</em>, <em>Millennial Harbinger</em>, and <em>The Christian Messenger</em>).</p>
<p>Those familiar with Mormon history will recognize the names of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Campbell_(Restoration_movement)">Thomas</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Campbell_(Restoration_movement)">Alexander Campbell</a> as the founders of the &#8220;Campbellite&#8221; Restoration movement that Sidney Rigdon, Parley Pratt, Edward Partridge, Isaac Morley, and at one point a majority of all Mormons belonged to before converting to Mormonism.  When Sidney Ridgon read the Book of Mormon in 1830 while he was a  Campbellite preacher, he converted to Mormonism as did many other Campbellites.  This enormous influx of former Campbellites into Mormonism doubled the Church&#8217;s membership in three weeks and resulted in Joseph Smith relocating the Saints&#8217; gathering place by joining the former Campbellite converts in Kirtland, Ohio.</p>
<p>Why was Mormonism so appealing to Campbellites?  Starting in 1823, Campbell&#8217;s publication <em>The Christian Baptist</em> advocated an abandonment of all creeds and sects that divided Christendom and a restoration of a unified Church in which the &#8220;original gospel and order of things&#8221; are present.  (<a href="http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/acampbell/DOC-ERK.HTM">Source</a>.) Alexander Campbell explained the Campbellites&#8217; &#8220;distinguishing views and practices&#8221; as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>They regard all the sects and parties of the Christian world as having, in greater or less degrees, departed from the simplicity of faith and manners of the first Christians, and as forming what the apostle Paul calls &#8220;the apostasy.&#8221; . .  .</p>
<p>They look for unity of spirit and the bonds of peace in the practical acknowledgment of one faith, one Lord, one immersion, one hope, one body, one Spirit, one God and Father of all; not in unity of opinions, nor in unity of forms, ceremonies, or modes of worship. . . .  </p>
<p>Thus while they proclaim faith and repentance, or faith and a change of heart, as preparatory to immersion, remission, and the gift of the Holy Spirit, they say to all penitents, or all those who believe and repent of their sins, as Peter said to the first audience addressed after the Holy Spirit was bestowed after the glorification of Jesus, &#8220;Be immersed every one of you, in the name of the Lord Jesus, for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.&#8221;</p>
<p>The immersed believers are congregated into societies according to their propinquity to each other, and taught to meet the first day of every week in honor and commemoration of the resurrection of Jesus, and to break the loaf which commemorates the death of the Son of God, to read and hear the living oracles, to teach and admonish one another, to unite in all prayer and praise, to contribute to the necessities of saints, and to perfect holiness in the fear of the Lord.</p>
<p>Every congregation chooses its own overseers and deacons, who preside over and administer the affairs of the congregations; and every church, either from itself or in co-operation with others, sends out, as opportunity offers, one or more evangelists, or proclaimers of the word, to preach the word and to immerse those who believe, to gather congregations, and to extend the knowledge of salvation where it is necessary, as far as their means extend.  (<a href="http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/acampbell/DOC-ERK.HTM">Source</a>.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Although the Campbellites and Mormons held many other beliefs in common, the above provides a sampling of the types of similarities that have presented religion historians with a fascinating chicken-or-the-egg question:  did Joseph Smith&#8217;s teachings resemble the Early Church&#8217;s &#8220;original gospel and order of things&#8221; because Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God whose authentic revelations enabled him to restore the true Church of Jesus Christ, or because contemporary Restorationists like Alexander Campbell first identified correct Early Christian beliefs and practices that were later adopted by Joseph Smith?  In other words, did God use the broader Restoration movement of the American frontier as an &#8220;Elias&#8221; that prepared Rigdon and eventually thousands of souls to embrace the true Church of Jesus Christ restored later by Joseph Smith, or was Joseph Smith&#8217;s success in duplicating many Early Christian beliefs and practices the result of his simply mimicking the beliefs and practices of contemporary Restorationist preachers who got it right first?  Because Campbellite converts to Mormonism such as Parley Pratt reported that they were converted Mormonism because they were inspired by the truthfulness of the doctrine contained in the Book of Mormon (<a href="http://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/PPPratt.html">Source</a>), it seems the answer to that question depends on whether the Book of Mormon is an accurate translation of an authentic record compiled by Early Christians living on the American continent, or is a fabrication cobbled together by Smith and possibly others inspired by the Restorationist ethos that pervaded the American frontier when it was published.  (We know where Alexander Campbell stood on that question: in 1831 he denounced the Book of Mormon as a fraud because it all-too-coincidentally addressed &#8220;every error and every truth discussed in New York for the last ten years.&#8221;)  (Alexander Campbell, &#8220;The Mormonites,&#8221;  Millenial Harbinger 2, (January 1831): 93.)</p>
<p>Regardless of the answer, <em>Will the Real Heretics Stand Up</em> suggests that the modern Christian denominations that most resemble the pre-Nicene Church&#8217;s beliefs and practices (i.e., Anabaptists and offspring of Restorationist movements) are relatively obscure groups that are popularly regarded as being  on the outskirts (or on the outside) of Christianity today.</p>
<p>[Pictured below, left to right: Alexander Campbell, Sidney Rigdon, and Joseph Smith.]</p>
<p><img class="size-full wp-image-6348 alignleft" title="CampbellAlexander" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/CampbellAlexander.gif" alt="CampbellAlexander" width="143" height="204" /><img class="size-full wp-image-6349 alignleft" title="150px-SidneyRigdon" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/150px-SidneyRigdon.jpg" alt="150px-SidneyRigdon" width="154" height="202" /><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-6350" title="Joseph Smith" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Joseph-Smith.jpg" alt="Joseph Smith" width="161" height="202" /></p>
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		<title>There is only one issue in the Bloggernacle and all other things are only appendages to it.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.&#8221;  Joseph Smith —DHC 3:28-30 If Joseph Smith is, correct in his assertion that the fundamental principles of the Church are the testimonies and knowledge concerning Jesus Christ, His Life, His Mission, His Teachings, His Example and His Atonement and that ALL other things are only appendages, then it seems clear on what we should focus ourselves and our families — The Savior Jesus Christ. Those testimonies are found in the scriptures, in the words of our modern day prophets and apostles, in the answers to our prayers and in the promptings of the Holy Ghost. But, especially in the Bloggernacle, Jesus Christ and His Atonement seem to be the last thing anyone wants to discuss and consider.  We are much more interested in the appendages. Appendages are important. On our physical bodies, they play an important role.  Most of us wouldn&#8217;t want to live without them.  But, we can live without them and many [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other <img class="alignright size-full wp-image-6323" style="border: 3px solid black; margin: 3px;" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/christ.jpg" alt="christ" width="150" height="169" />things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.&#8221;  Joseph Smith —DHC 3:28-30</p>
<p><span id="more-6322"></span>If Joseph Smith is, correct in his assertion that the fundamental principles of the Church are the testimonies and knowledge concerning Jesus Christ, His Life, His Mission, His Teachings, His Example and His Atonement and that ALL other things are only appendages, then it seems clear on what we should focus ourselves and our families — The Savior Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Those testimonies are found in the scriptures, in the words of our modern day prophets and apostles, in the answers to our prayers and in the promptings of the Holy Ghost.</p>
<p>But, especially in the Bloggernacle, Jesus Christ and His Atonement seem to be the last thing anyone wants to discuss and consider.  We are much more interested in the appendages.</p>
<p>Appendages are important.</p>
<p>On our physical bodies, they play an important role.  Most of us wouldn&#8217;t want to live without them.  But, we can live without them and many do.</p>
<p>How neglectful have we become about the fundamental principles of our religion (never mind being LDS, how about just being a Christian?), that some, being so focused on the appendages, have lost the fundamental principles.  Or they have stopped hearing the testimonies of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>So, is/was Joseph correct about the fundamental principles of our religion?  Or have the appendages, at least as far as the Bloggernacle is concerned,  overwhelmed the message of the Restoration and of Jesus?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Japanese: A Modern Case for Reformed Egyptian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the common complaints about and arguments against the Book of Mormon is the claim that it was written in &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; &#8211; a unique and obsolete language that was peculiar to the Nephites and could not be read by anyone else.  There have been many things written about this issue over the years, some of which are merely skeptical and more of which are mocking.  One of the common themes has been, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s convenient.  There&#8217;s no way to check any language for accuracy and veracity.  Great con scheme.&#8221;  What the people who wrote these things in the past and say them now didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t realize is that there is a modern example of exactly such a language &#8211; one that is unique to its own people and, in many instances, cannot be read even by those from whom its written foundation was taken.  That example is modern Japanese.  First, Mormon 9:32 is the only verse in the Book of Mormon that includes the actual phrase &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It says: And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the common complaints about and arguments against the Book of Mormon is the claim that it was written in &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; &#8211; a unique and obsolete language that was peculiar to the Nephites and could not be read by anyone else.  There have been many things written about this issue over the years, some of which are merely skeptical and more of which are mocking.  One of the common themes has been, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s convenient.  There&#8217;s no way to check any language for accuracy and veracity.  Great con scheme.&#8221;  What the people who wrote these things in the past and say them now didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t realize is that there is a modern example of exactly such a language &#8211; one that is unique to its own people and, in many instances, cannot be read even by those from whom its written foundation was taken. </p>
<p>That example is modern Japanese. <span id="more-6031"></span></p>
<p>First, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/morm/9/32#32">Mormon 9:32 </a>is the only verse in the Book of Mormon that includes the actual phrase &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It says:</p>
<blockquote><p>And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the <span>reformed</span> <span>Egyptian</span>, <strong>being handed down and altered by us, **according to our manner of speech**.</strong> </p></blockquote>
<p>There are two other verses that mention the Egyptian language &#8211; <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1/2#2">1 Nephi 1:2</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/1/4#4">Mosiah 1:4</a>.  They read, respectively:</p>
<blockquote><p>I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the <span>Egyptians</span>. </p>
<p>and</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>For it were not possible that our father, Lehi, could have remembered all these things, to have taught them to his children, except it were for the help of these plates; for he having been taught in the language of the <span>Egyptians</span> therefore he could read these engravings, and teach them to his children, that thereby they could teach them to their children, and so fulfilling the commandments of God, even down to this present time.</p></blockquote>
<p>The premise of these passages is that Lehi read Egyptian and used the hieroglyphs as the basis of the written language that was used in engraving the record he kept on the large plates (and which he taught to Nephi, at least, so he could continue the record) &#8211; but that, over time, those hieroglyphs were modified from their original forms to become a unique written language called &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It also is apparent that Lehi&#8217;s children did not read Egyptian naturally &#8211; that Lehi had to &#8220;teach them to his children&#8221; and have them &#8220;teach them to their children&#8221;.  It has been argued that this written language was reserved for the sacred and historical records &#8211; that it was not the &#8220;common written language&#8221; of the people, if there even was such a common language.  Given the numerous statements in the Book of Mormon about the need to write in a condensed form due to the size of the plates, this makes perfect sense &#8211; as does the practice of passing them down along bloodlines (inlcuding &#8220;non-prophets&#8221; at the end of the small plates, particularly in the Book of Omni), then ruling lines, then prophetic lines.  This practice is common throughout history with written records, since the vast majority of people were illiterate, but it plays a particular role in the formation of a &#8220;new&#8221; language, <strong>as it emphasizes the driving force behind the on-going modification of the language - the need to conserve space on plates that were difficult to make and, at the beginning especially, limited in total space.  Thus, the written language of the records was continually &#8220;altered by us&#8221; over time. </strong></p>
<p>Now, to Japanese:</p>
<p>There are many good descriptions of the Japanese writing system, but Wikipedia contains one of the simplest.  The entry for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_writing_system">&#8220;Japanese Writing System&#8221;</a> includes a very good intorduction to the multiple &#8220;scripts&#8221; used in written Japanese.  In summary, there are three main scripts: &#8220;Kanji&#8221; &#8211; Chinese symbols that provide the foundation for the <strong>MEANING</strong> of words, pronounced totally differently than their Chinese pronunciation; &#8220;hiragana&#8221; &#8211; native Japanese alphabetic symbols that match to the spoken language, are syllabic in nature (each symbol represents a syllable, rather than an individual sound ["phonene"] as in English) and provide the necessary &#8220;fillers&#8221; (articles, conjunctions, conjugators, etc.) necessary to bridge between the kanji and spoken Japanese; and &#8220;katakana&#8221; &#8211; a modified form of hiragana used to designate the use of foreign words not found in native Japanese.  Also, in the last decades, &#8220;romaji&#8221; (Romanized spelling, where an American could read the standard English alphabet and pronounce the words as they would sound in Japanese) has been included.  Thus, modern Japanese is a combination of four separate &#8220;scripts&#8221;.  (There is an excellent, side-by-side chart with some examples of how one word could be written in all four scripts in the Wikipedia article.  Only one form, the original kanji, would be understood by a Chinese reader.) </p>
<p>What makes this fascinating in conjunction with &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; is not just that a new, unique language has been created, but that many modern Japanese kanji (the characters that were borrowed from Chinese) often cannot be recognized or read fluently by Chinese who have not studied them.  Over time, many of the most complex kanji have been altered significantly &#8211; always as simplifications of the former symbols, removing &#8220;strokes&#8221; from the original to make it easier to learn, less time consuming to write and easier to teach to children.  Furthermore, since spoken Chinese and Japanese are as different as spoken Japanese and English, the inclusion of hiragana and katakana further complicates the process of reading Japanese for those Chinese who have not studied it.  Most can get a good or general feel for the meaning of sentences that are strictly comprised of kanji and hiragana, since the kanji still match and convey <strong>MEANING</strong> (not pronunciation), but when more of the simplified kanji are included, along with katakana and words spelled entirely in hiragana, it becomes much more difficult for Chinese people to understand written Japanese.  (As I just said, untrained Chinese can&#8217;t understand spoken Japanese at all, so a Japanese could be reading something to a Chinese that the Chinese could understand if she read it &#8211; and the Chinese would not be able to understand what the Japanese was saying.) </p>
<p>In Book of Mormon terminology, modern written Japanese is &#8220;Reformed Chinese&#8221; &#8211; in <strong>EVERY</strong> sense that the term &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; is used in the Book of Mormon, right down to a complex hieroglyphic system being co-opted for meaning rather than pronunciation, that hieroglyphic system being simplified over time to make it easier to write and teach, and, perhaps, eventually being assimilated into some other script(s) and becoming nearly unreadable and &#8220;foreign&#8221; to those trained in the original hieroglyphic system. </p>
<p>There is no indication that Joseph, Emma, Oliver, Sydney or any of those who were prominent in the early history of the Book of Mormon were knowlegable to any degree of Japanese &#8211; <strong>and, in fact, many of the most radical transformations of written Japanese have occurred AFTER the publication of the Book of Mormon</strong>.</p>
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		<title>Trying to Understand My Friends Who Didn&#8217;t Leave the Faith</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a modified excerpt from a 60-page writing that I made for close friends and family members when I decided to leave the church a few months ago. It was my attempt at helping them understand my view. I think most of them didn&#8217;t bother reading it. I wasn&#8217;t looking forward to the conversations that I would be having with them, but I was surprised to find myself not having those conversations. Today&#8217;s guest post is by Michael. In the spirit of Mormon Stories, he was invited to share his experience. I thought the people that believed in the church and loved me most in the would have at least tried to &#8220;save my soul.&#8221; I would have done it for them, had the roles been reversed. Although, it would have led me to the place where I am now, which may be the underlying (perhaps subconscious) reason why they don&#8217;t wish to go there. &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; If someone told me three years ago that I would be where I am now, I would have never believed them. And yet, here I am. A few years ago, I decided that I should probably learn more about church history. Not out [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a modified excerpt from a 60-page writing that I made for close friends and family members when I decided to leave the church a few months ago. It was my attempt at helping them understand my view. I think most of them didn&#8217;t bother reading it. I wasn&#8217;t looking forward to the conversations that I would be having with them, but I was surprised to find myself not having those conversations.</p>
<p><em><strong>Today&#8217;s guest post is by Michael. In the spirit of Mormon Stories, he was invited to share his experience.</strong><span id="more-5580"></span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">I thought the people that believed in the church and loved me most in the would have at least tried to &#8220;save my soul.&#8221; I would have done it for them, had the roles been reversed. Although, it would have led me to the place where I am now, which may be the underlying (perhaps subconscious) reason why they don&#8217;t wish to go there.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">If someone told me three years ago that I would be where I am now, I would have never believed them. And yet, here I am. A few years ago, I decided that I should probably learn more about church history. Not out of pure interest, but more out of duty. I heard that the book &#8220;Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling&#8221; was written by a member of the church, but didn&#8217;t give the usual sanitized version of history that is given in Sunday School. I was intrigued.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">I read the book. It was slow going, but I finished it. More than any of the strange practices or weird events, the thing that bugged me the most was Joseph Smith himself. I couldn&#8217;t place it at first, but I soon realized that I didn&#8217;t really like Joseph as a person. I felt kind of guilty about that because we have been raised, and it has been ingrained in us, to love Joseph and the other men of the restoration. My feelings of guilt were lessened a bit when I found out that I was definitely not the only one that felt that way. There were many others in the church that felt the same way. In fact, my dad bought a video that features a question and answer session with the author and even he admits that, by the time he was done with his research and writing, he did not like Joseph Smith either. </span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">When I finished with the book, it made me wonder: Maybe there was a reason why things were not sitting right with me and others. The Joseph we had been taught about growing up was not the real Joseph, so who was. Also, I wondered: If this book was written by a member, then how much of a positive slant is he putting on things? That&#8217;s when my journey really began. There are so many differing and conflicting accounts out there that I sometimes felt like a detective, trying to piece together what most made sense to me.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">As I said above, I went searching into church history as a kind of church duty. I felt that I ought to take a look into it. I thought that I would search things out and find that history would vindicate the church and the prophet. I believed (and believe) that the truth does not fear investigation and the facts would be overwhelmingly in favor of the church. I found the opposite to be the case. This mostly surprised me because of my father.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">He is well versed in church history, and I think I trusted heavily in his ability to interpret events. Sometimes, when I would find out something new, I would ask him, &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t this bother you?!?&#8221; He wouldn&#8217;t answer. At times I wondered why I was the only one who was bothered by some of the things I was finding. I wondered if I was the only crazy one or the only one who wasn&#8217;t. I couldn&#8217;t understand why, when I showed them a claim of the church or Joseph Smith and then showed them how that claim was in fact false, they didn&#8217;t seem to care. Well, I found out some interesting things related to that. Although most of the close people around me did not seem to want to face any of this stuff, I found out that I was not alone. Besides a number of people that I know that don&#8217;t believe, but are hanging on for various other reasons (family, friends, structure, etc.), there are many, many people leaving the church every year. It always helps a person fell less crazy when you know there are others making hard decisions like you.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">The other thing that made me understand the situation better, was something told to me by a friend. I mentioned to him that I could not understand why these things bugged me and no one else seemed to care. He said, &#8220;Ok, tell me something that bugs you.&#8221; So for the 20th time or so, I mentioned that Joseph Smith claimed to translate the Book of Abraham from Egyptian papyri. A decade after Joseph died, the Egyptian language was deciphered from the Rosetta Stone. Reading the papyri, it does not say what Joseph claims it said. When I gave him that one example, he went on to say that most people don&#8217;t think as much as I do, so they don&#8217;t let it bother them. Adding to that, he said, &#8220;Plus, it&#8217;s the Book of Abraham. Who cares about the Book of Abraham?&#8221; And then he ended, mentioning that some people will stay in for the sake of loyalty&#8211;they are Mormon and will always be Mormon.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">Those are ideas that had never really entered my mind. It had never really occurred to me that even if the facts were against the church, people would still remain in it. I was not sure which answer he gave me that bugged me the most. If he only knew how much the Book of Abraham feeds into his own belief system. How could he say, &#8220;Who cares about the Book of Abraham?&#8221; I mean, the teachings exclusive to Mormonism don&#8217;t come from the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon was written in such a way that it virtually does not stray from biblical teachings. There is little or nothing new in the doctrine from the Book of Mormon. It is the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price that set Mormon theology apart from &#8220;regular&#8221; Christian theology.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">These words of indifference, of not caring if it is true in the literal sense are so foreign to me. I first heard them from my best friend a few years ago, before I had ever expressed any doubts. As we passed by the house of a neighbor that had left the church after studying church history, he said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand Bro. So-and-So. I mean, even if I didn&#8217;t think the church was true, I wouldn&#8217;t leave it.&#8221; At that point, I blurted out a very loud, &#8220;WHAT?!? Are you serious?&#8221; He was. My other best friend who was also there that night is the one I mentioned in the above paragraph, who also doesn&#8217;t care about the church being true in any literal sense. Another close friend, for whom I was the best man at his temple wedding, wrote me an email when he found out that I had left the church. It was not what I expected. He congratulated me on doing what he said he never had the courage to do.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">Perhaps the most painful response was from my girlfriend. She told me she was proud of me and for what I was doing. She started calling me Winston (the main character from 1984, who rebels against Big Brother). It shocked me that she would say such a thing that seemed so telling to me, and it saddened me when she said she wouldn&#8217;t be joining me. In HER OWN ANALOGY she chose to love Big Brother.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">These people that have been such a large part of my life (three of the four I have known since we were children) now feel like strangers to me. Their way of thinking on this matter has never been an option for me. I have always considered such choices to be wrong, even in the best-case scenario, and in a worst-case scenario, downright evil. Although I don&#8217;t consider this a worst-case scenario, I am still left baffled that such good people would choose such a path. It would bother me less if they hadn&#8217;t all served missions and didn&#8217;t plan on teaching the rising generation that these beliefs are true. If they stand where they do, why are they passing the information on as truth? I am still working on the answer to that one. In the mean time, for the sake of preserving respect for my loved ones, I am forced to concede that making the choice to believe in something that you don&#8217;t truly think is reality, may not be as evil as I thought&#8230;</span></em></p>
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		<title>Faith vs. Doubt</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Faith and doubt cannot exist in the same mind at the same time, for one will dispel the other.&#8221; Here are a few responses from various different individuals to this quote from this weekend&#8217;s General Conference: &#8220;It&#8217;s not as if you&#8217;re going to hear that and say &#8220;Right. I guess I don&#8217;t have doubts.&#8221; It seems more likely that people will hear that and say &#8220;Right. I guess I don&#8217;t have faith.&#8221;" &#8220;Plenty of seemingly incompatible thoughts/emotions coexist in the same mind at the same time without dispelling each other. It&#8217;s like saying &#8220;being faithful in marriage means never having desires for another woman/man&#8221; when the truth is faithfulness in marriage is about staying committed in spite of those desires.&#8221; &#8220;If Joseph Smith hadn&#8217;t doubted a whole bunch of things would we even have the LDS Church?&#8221; &#8220;One popular ZEN proverb reads, “Where there is great doubt, there will be great awakening; small doubt, small awakening; no doubt, no awakening.” It’s refreshing and uplifting to think about doubt as a positive catalyst for reflection and self-discovery, rather than a weakness to be risen above.&#8221; &#8220;If faith means enough hope to act even though one is not absolutely certain of the result, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Faith and doubt cannot exist in the same mind at the same time, for one will dispel the other.&#8221;<span id="more-4885"></span></p>
<p>Here are a few responses from various different individuals to this quote from this weekend&#8217;s General Conference:</p>
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<li>&#8220;It&#8217;s not as if you&#8217;re going to hear that and say &#8220;Right. I guess I don&#8217;t have doubts.&#8221; It seems more likely that people will hear that and say &#8220;Right. I guess I don&#8217;t have faith.&#8221;"</li>
<li>&#8220;Plenty of seemingly incompatible thoughts/emotions coexist in the same mind at the same time without dispelling each other. It&#8217;s like saying &#8220;being faithful in marriage means never having desires for another woman/man&#8221; when the truth is faithfulness in marriage is about staying committed in spite of those desires.&#8221;</li>
<li><img class="alignright" src="http://www.moroni10.com/vision1.jpg" alt="" />&#8220;If Joseph Smith hadn&#8217;t doubted a whole bunch of things would we even have the LDS Church?&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;One popular ZEN proverb reads, “Where there is great doubt, there will be great awakening; small doubt, small awakening; no doubt, no awakening.” It’s refreshing and uplifting to think about doubt as a positive catalyst for reflection and self-discovery, rather than a weakness to be risen above.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;If faith means enough hope to act even though one is not absolutely certain of the result, the opposite is enough despair or discouragement that we become paralyzed from acting. If one calls that despair or discouragement &#8220;doubt&#8221;, then I agree that doubt is the opposite of faith.  However, I personally see doubt as uncertainty, recognizing the possibility that what we hope for or believe is not true. For me, that is an inherent component of faith. Without that uncertainty or doubt, I do not think faith exists (because it would be knowledge or certainty).&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;I&#8217;ve heard plenty of Church leaders admit to feeling doubts, and Joseph Smith seemed full of them. But quotes like this do set-up a certain mindset among the &#8220;faithful&#8221; that they should never entertain doubt, or else. The sad thing here is that this state-of-mind is temporary at best, and can often lead to complete loss of faith. But some GC talks seem more designed to rally than educate, which explains stuff like this.&#8221;</li>
<li><a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.montagneministries.com/Mother%2520Theresa.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.montagneministries.com/devins_art_religious.htm&amp;usg=__VK0Q83b9qf4XxckmZ0cCmAK-jNM=&amp;h=581&amp;w=459&amp;sz=135&amp;hl=en&amp;start=7&amp;sig2=hvorfr7P9R8dwWEhJqa8RQ&amp;tbnid=9zubZTPupxT5pM:&amp;tbnh=134&amp;tbnw=106&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmother%2Btheresa%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den&amp;ei=_5DaSdWXM5rqtQOsmo3NBg"><img class="alignright" style="border: 1px solid;" src="http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:9zubZTPupxT5pM:http://www.montagneministries.com/Mother%2520Theresa.jpg" alt="" width="106" height="134" /></a>&#8220;What was most striking about Mother Theresa was the juxtaposition of faith and doubt in her life. She had such faith, yet such doubt at the same time. I think it&#8217;s totally bogus to pit faith and doubt against each other as opposites. They aren&#8217;t competitors, they&#8217;re collaborators &#8211; they encourage each other. Faith exists because of doubt, and doubt because of faith. IMO, faith without doubt is smug arrogance. Show me someone who has no doubt, and I&#8217;ll show you someone who has no faith.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Pope Benedict referred to Mother Thesesa&#8217;s doubts as the &#8220;silence of God,&#8221; and said that all true believers must learn to deal with the silence of God which inevitably come to all of us.&#8221;</li>
<li><img class="alignright" src="http://api.ning.com/files/ie1tpCrlpR3StbupvnQTS7wsD2ES2M6LLukZieUpufU_/CrownOfthorns.jpg" alt="" width="145" height="190" />&#8220;Elder Holland said Jesus needed to experience something like doubt. Joseph Smith certainly did&#8211;see the first verses of section 121. And the book of Job is full of doubts and anguish (although, in the condensed version we skip from Job&#8217;s refusal to condemn God and go straight to the restoration of his prior blessing, and we overlook his struggles and anguish and anger expressed in the intervening chapters).&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;If faith is a spiritual gift, then only some will receive it. I&#8217;m paraphrasing, but the scripture says some will have the give of faith and some will have the gift to believe those with faith and some will have other gifts. And yet then we are told it is a sin if we don&#8217;t have this gift?&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;When church leaders are asking for us to have faith in God, they really mean have faith in what they tell you about God and what the scriptures say about God, but neither are God, they are just ideas.&#8221;</li>
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<p>What do you think?  Does doubt drive out faith?  Or is faith without doubt smug arrogance?  Is doubt an essential part of faith development?  Is some doubt bad (paralyzing doubt) and some good (energizing doubt)?  Is doubt the same as &#8220;the silence of God&#8221; that Mother Theresa, Joseph Smith, Jesus, and Job all experienced?  Do you view doubt as a complement to faith or the enemy of faith?  Is there a &#8220;war on doubt&#8221; in the church?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I served a mission in eastern Canada in the early 90s, there were many things I was grateful for (warm boots, wool suits, fairly normal food). But above all, I was grateful that I was sent to a region with very few black people, as I was not looking forward to having to defend something in the Church’s past that had deeply troubled even a relatively immature teenager with a limited knowledge of Church history and doctrine. By that point, the ban on male black members having the priesthood had been lifted for more than a dozen years. Yet, it still bothered me. And it seemed far from a settled issue. Plenty of influential writings from top Church leaders could be found in any ward house library that linked all black people back to Cain and postulated that they were “less valiant” in the pre-existence – hence, no priesthood. I never believed this, and would have had a very difficult time trying to teach this nonsense with a straight face. Luckily, I never had to. I share that background to explain why – at Sunstone West this past weekend – I took such a keen interest in a screening [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="center;">When I served a mission in eastern Canada in the early 90s, there were many things I was grateful for (warm boots, wool suits, fairly normal food). But above all, I was grateful that I was sent to a region with very few black people, as I was not looking forward to having to defend something in the Church’s past that had deeply troubled even a relatively immature teenager with a limited knowledge of Church history and doctrine.<br />
<span id="more-4704"></span><br />
<img class="size-medium wp-image-4707  alignright" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/abel.png" alt="" width="116" height="172" />By that point, the ban on male black members having the priesthood had been lifted for more than a dozen years. Yet, it still bothered me. And it seemed far from a settled issue. Plenty of influential writings from top Church leaders could be found in any ward house library that linked all black people back to Cain and postulated that they were “less valiant” in the pre-existence – hence, no priesthood. I never believed this, and would have had a very difficult time trying to teach this nonsense with a straight face. Luckily, I never had to.</p>
<p>I share that background to explain why – at Sunstone West this past weekend – I took such a keen interest in a screening of the film “Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons.” Produced by Margaret Blair Young and Darius Gray, this movie goes through the history of black people in the Church and the evolution of the priesthood ban, which is largely &#8220;credited&#8221; to Brigham Young. Apparently, he evolved (or de-volved) in his views, as the movie had some interesting early quotes from him that were far more kind and tolerant towards blacks than some of his later whoppers. The historical context painted by the film shows an influx of Mormon converts from the southern states who brought their slaves to Utah. Henceforth, Young made the decision to make Utah into a slave-friendly territory. Another bit of historical context that I don’t remember being mentioned in the film is that the Democratic Party (then pro-slavery) was also more tolerant of plural marriage, which was likely another factor in the decision.</p>
<p>Fascinating as the history was, the movie was far more touching for me on a personal level. I was utterly floored by the powerful testimonies shared by the many black LDS members interviewed on camera. Many of these folks joined the Church while the ban still existed. One African-American sister shared the heartbreaking observation that the first time she was ever called a “nigger” was in the Salt Lake temple. Yet, she was far from angry. Like many others of all races, her life had been touched in a positive way by the Gospel. That many of these folks retained a love and loyalty to an organization that had rejected them for so long was amazing. The Church apparently did not sponsor this project, but it should buy every copy that it can and send it out to all four corners of the Earth. Seriously, who better to share the hopeful message of the Gospel than a group of people who consistently getting the short end of the stick.</p>
<p>Another interesting tidbit from the film was a story about Dr. Cecil “Chip” Murray, retired pastor of the First AME Church of Los Angeles (which was founded by a former slave of Mormon pioneers). Murray shares a story on camera that he was once invited to meet with then-President Hinckley at the Church Office Building. At that meeting, he says Hinckley apologized to him for the Church&#8217;s participation in the slavery issue and for its part in perpetuating prejudice against black people. How broad he meant that is arguable, but it certainly seems a long way from just three decades ago.</p>
<p>Ms. Young was there and hosted a lively discussion afterwards. She is working on getting the film distributed. Apparently, Howard University has agreed to show it on its PBS station. Hopefully, BYU does the same. Anyone interested should start bugging their local PBS station. And maybe some e-mails to Netflix to spark their interest wouldn’t hurt, either.</p>
<p>Basically, two thumbs up here. Despite the lousy economy, I would heartily recommend dipping into your wallet for $25 to buy the DVD (it can be found at</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[NOTE: This is a guest post by David Stout, Disciples of Christ minister. I write from the perspective of a Disciples of Christ minister whose girlfriend is a devout Mormon. I am, therefore, very sympathetic and supportive of the LDS (I pray for your church daily) but embrace the theological position often known as Protestant Liberalism. In reading one of Mr. Nielson’s posts a while ago, two things jumped out at me. One is the issue of the relationship of Jesus and the Father and the other is the relationship of faith and logic. I will address the latter in this response and leave the former for another time. There are many brilliant people in all the various religions, including those which tend to downplay the role of scholarship. Yet in spite of all this brilliance there is still considerable disagreement over many religious teachings. In the early 1800s this state of affairs led a number of individuals to conclude that there was something seriously wrong with this picture and that it needed to be fixed. Among those individuals were the founders of my religious tradition (Barton Stone and Alexander Campbell) and your Prophet, Joseph Smith. All of these folks [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>NOTE: This is a guest post by David Stout, Disciples of Christ minister. </em></p>
<p>I write from the perspective of a Disciples of Christ minister whose girlfriend is a devout Mormon. I am, therefore, very sympathetic and supportive of the LDS (I pray for your church daily) but embrace the theological position often known as Protestant Liberalism. In reading one of Mr. Nielson’s posts a while ago, two things jumped out at me. One is the issue of the relationship of Jesus and the Father and the other is the relationship of faith and logic. I will address the latter in this response and leave the former for another time. <span id="more-4318"></span></p>
<p>There are many brilliant people in all the various religions, including those which tend to downplay the role of scholarship. Yet in spite of all this brilliance there is still considerable disagreement over many religious teachings. In the early 1800s this state of affairs led a number of individuals to conclude that there was something seriously wrong with this picture and that it needed to be fixed. Among those individuals were the founders of my religious tradition (Barton Stone and Alexander Campbell) and your Prophet, Joseph Smith. All of these folks felt the solution was to restore the Church to its pristine, original form. While they obviously disagreed on the path and shape of restoration, they nevertheless agreed on the need for it.</p>
<p>The result, ironically, was the formation of yet several more religious bodies that do not agree with each other even though all of them contain a number of pretty smart people. While members of these various churches are by and large convinced that they succeeded in restoring primitive Christianity, the problem of Christian unity has not been solved. A common response to this state of affairs from within the “restored” churches is that the people who stayed Catholic or Presbyterian or whatever are either mistaken or, less charitably, rebellious.</p>
<p><strong>My take on this is that religion, by its very nature, precludes a great deal of unanimity in the field of doctrine.</strong> In the physical realm various measurements and observations can be made and the nature of a thing pretty well settled. (Though even here there are some mysterious phenomena that set scientists at odds with each other.) But what measurement can be taken of God? Even if God does have a physical body it is not visible to us, except in the world of dreams and visions (not exactly test tube material).</p>
<p><strong>The end result is that all of us are reliant upon own experiences of the divine and/or the experiences of others. </strong>Some of these experiences have, for various reasons, become normative for certain groups of people. None has been compelling enough to capture everyone or even most everyone on this planet. Then within each religious (and non religious) group there is further reflection, teaching, revelation, and enculturation. The result is the establishment of certain presuppositions and beliefs that are extremely difficult to even see, much less question, from within one’s own tradition, regardless of how brilliant one might be.</p>
<p>In other words, while science has pretty well established norms and standards that almost every scientist accepts, religion has no uniform code, just a variety of traditions and tests that have grown up over time in different parts of the world. <strong>While one would think that this situation would make religious folk tentative in their beliefs, the fact of the matter is that religious people tend to be among the most certain</strong>, sometimes with devastating results, sometimes with remarkably healing results.</p>
<p>And therein lies the difficult thing about religion: it can give incredible levels of certainty to different people even though those certainties are diametrically opposed to each other. And what’s more, the same certainties can produce diametrically opposed results. My girlfriend, for example, is absolutely certain that the Book of Mormon is true and the result is a life of love. That same certainty in another person can produce a harsh and judgmental attitude that is at best abrasive.</p>
<p>So how do we proceed in an area of life that is so important, where there is so much certainty, and yet so little agreement? To put it personally, how do I respond to people who are certain that such and such is true even when I am just as sure it’s not?</p>
<p><strong>The bottom line for me (for now anyway) is that I have to hold to my convictions while honoring the right of others to hold theirs. </strong>That means not only their beliefs but the means by which they come by those beliefs. For some, a revelatory experience is supreme; for others the dictates of logic; and for still others some sort of historical/scientific/archeological evidence. It is the combination and interaction of meaningful criteria and religious background that determine what makes sense to each person.</p>
<p>To illustrate, “I’ve read the Book of Mormon and God has told me it is true,” is very compelling for some people while for others (myself included) something a little less subjective is needed. This isn’t just a matter of religious belief; it’s also a matter of epistemology, of how someone knows something to be true. <strong>It was when this fact dawned on me that I stopped arguing theology with people and began to listen and discuss instead. </strong>The result has been most helpful and I am so pleased to discover other people, from other religious traditions, who are also willing to approach religious differences from a desire to understand rather than convert. (I am, BTW, not opposed to missionary activity. I just think it should take the form of invitation and development of thought and faith rather than, “I’ve got to convince you of this stuff.”)</p>
<p>I don’t think belief renders logic useless or irrelevant in the religious quest. I also don’t think logic should be the final arbiter of religion. Instead, I think logic should be seen as one tool in the human quest for understanding. Like any tool it has its place and will be used with different results and levels of effectiveness, depending upon who is using it and when and where they’re using it. I also think that encounters with people outside of our faith tradition, if conducted with respect and the desire to learn, can be a tremendous source of enrichment. <strong>At the very least these encounters will remind us that good and intelligent people can come to different understandings. At best they can give us deeper insight into how we understand ourselves and God.</strong></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The restoration was essentially based on a rejection of the creeds of Christendom which were declared &#8220;an abomination&#8221; and &#8220;those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.&#8221;  So, are all creeds bad or just those specific creeds?  Are there creeds in Mormonism or is it a creedless religion? Over Christmas, I was fortunate enough to be able to attend an Evensong service at Westminster Abbey.  It was very cool to be in a worship service surrounded by 3000 of England&#8217;s most famous dead people.  The choir was far superior to anything I&#8217;ve heard in any of the wards I&#8217;ve been in, although the songs had that quality of being made up as they went along (but in Latin).  Part of the service was the recitation of the Anglican Creed.  I could have in honesty recited 80% of it without batting an eye, but there were some statements in it that I could not in good conscience recite (but then I&#8217;m not an Anglican, am I?).  First of all, what is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The restoration was essentially based on a rejection of the creeds of Christendom which were declared &#8220;an abomination&#8221; and &#8220;those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.&#8221;  So, are all creeds bad or just those specific creeds?  Are there creeds in Mormonism or is it a creedless religion?<span id="more-4089"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.elizabethannedesigns.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/westminster-abbey.jpg" alt="" width="174" height="139" />Over Christmas, I was fortunate enough to be able to attend an Evensong service at Westminster Abbey.  It was very cool to be in a worship service surrounded by 3000 of England&#8217;s most famous dead people.  The choir was far superior to anything I&#8217;ve heard in any of the wards I&#8217;ve been in, although the songs had that quality of being made up as they went along (but in Latin).  Part of the service was the recitation of the Anglican Creed.  I could have in honesty recited 80% of it without batting an eye, but there were some statements in it that I could not in good conscience recite (but then I&#8217;m not an Anglican, am I?). </p>
<p>First of all, what is objectionable about creeds?  Here are some thoughts:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Content.</strong>  These specific creeds are usually rejected by Mormonism because they conflict with our view of God as being an exalted man with a body.  But these are just current drafts of millenia old discussions, the efforts of people to describe the holy.  Whenever people are doing that, their efforts will be tainted by:
<ul>
<li><strong>Consensus</strong>.  Too many cooks spoil the broth, as they say.  Groups of people haggling over the nature of God is likely to lead to debates full of compromises and competition, not actually nailing down the nature of God.</li>
<li><strong>Limits of Language</strong>.  Regardless of how precisely we try to communicate, words have mutliple meanings and are subject to individual interpretation.</li>
<li><strong>Context of Culture &amp; Time</strong>.  Over time and in different cultural contexts, the meaning of words changes.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Lack of Authority</strong>.    They are deemed to have been created by well-intentioned men but without authority and therefore, they allowed error to be included.  This seems to be a problem frequently discussed in the b&#8217;nacle within Mormonism:
<ul>
<li><strong>Conflicting Opinions</strong>.  Q:  When two authorities disagree, which is right?  A: The one who agrees with you.</li>
<li><strong>Prophetic Fallibility</strong>.  Q:  When is a prophet not speaking for God?  A:  When he&#8217;s proven wrong over time (or see the first answer).</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>In Writing</strong>.  One could say that creeds are bad in that they are written down at a point in time based on one&#8217;s understanding, but they could be incorrect or need revision at a later date.  Being written down causes people to stop seeking revelation and to continue to reinterpret the same dead words on a page.  Creeds in general are rejected because they hem the church in rather than allowing it the freedom to reinterpret itself through greater light and knowledge.</li>
</ol>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d102/everyday_something/Book%20of%20Mormon/11-5.gif" alt="" width="156" height="191" />I suggest that there are two main creeds that have crept into Mormonism:  the Articles of Faith and the Proclamation on the Family.  I considered and reject that the Official Declarations are creeds (they are more like one-time memos).  I also reject the scripts in the temple as &#8220;creeds&#8221; of a sort because they change considerably and frequently.</p>
<p>The Articles of Faith were written by JS in 1841 (in a letter written to John Wentworth published in 1842 in <em>Times &amp; Seasons</em>) to explain what Mormons believe.  The Proclamation on the Family was published (to the world at large) to explain what Mormons believe about families and responsibilities.  Are they creeds?  And if they are creeds, do they have any of the 3 problems listed above?  So, if we dismiss the idea that authority is a problem (for those who are Mormons at least), is there a problem with either content or with the fact that they are in writing?</p>
<p>First of all, let&#8217;s consider the ubiquitous Articles of Faith.  What Primary child hasn&#8217;t memorized these basic, irrefutable tenets of Mormonism?  Surely, their content must be above reproach.  Or is it?  Here&#8217;s a counter-point on the Articles of Faith, excerpted from <a href="http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/articlesoffaith.htm">here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Apostle Bruce R. McConkie boasted as follows concerning the Articles of Faith:</p>
<p>    &#8220;For brevity, clearness, and forthrightness of doctrinal presentation, they are unexcelled. When compared with the <strong>muddled creeds</strong> formulated by the supposedly greatest religious thinkers of Christendom—creeds born amid the strife, bitterness, and debates of councils that struggled at length over every word and comma—the Articles of Faith, coming forth as the spontaneous and inspired writing of one man, are a marked evidence of the spirit of revelation that rested upon the Prophet.&#8221; (<em>Mormon Doctrine</em>, page 53)</p>
<p>    Actually, the truth of the matter is that the Articles of Faith are remarkable for what they fail to say concerning the teachings of the Mormon Church. Although Joseph Smith was practicing polygamy at the time he authored them, he made no reference to the doctrine of plural marriage. He made no mention of his teaching that there are many Gods, that God was once a man or that men can become Gods. The Articles of Faith are completely silent concerning the <em>Doctrine and Covenants</em> which contains many of Smith&#8217;s revelations and distinctive doctrines. Even Apostle McConkie had to admit that these &#8220;articles, of course, do not attempt to summarize all of the basic doctrines of the gospel&#8230;. the Articles of Faith are silent on such things as celestial marriage, salvation for the dead, temple work in all its phases, the resurrection, and degrees of glory in the eternal worlds.&#8221; (<em>Ibid</em>.) The Articles of Faith seem to be an attempt to hide almost all of the LDS teachings which separate the Mormon Church from historic Christianity.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, it would seem that the Articles of Faith might be said to suffer the same basic problems of all creeds:  content, authority, and being written at a fixed point in time.  Perhaps these are issues that all scripture face as well.  But are they an abomination?  More or less of an abomination than the Creeds of Chrstendom?</p>
<p>Do you agree that these are creeds of Mormonism?  Do they lead to the same sorts of problems that other creeds do or are <em>our</em> creeds OK, but others&#8217; are not?  Discuss.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[For almost two centuries the Word of Wisdom is solid proven evidence to many members that the Church is true. Jeff Lindsay [The Word of Wisdom] outlines principles of healthy living that go far beyond the scientific knowledge of the 1800s and much of this century…The 1833 dietary guidelines sound much like the recommended &#8220;food pyramid&#8221; produced by federally-funded research in the past decade. For me and perhaps many of you it has been one of those solid concepts that when you feel rickety about some of the doctrine you can always count on the solid foundations of the word of wisdom. What I never was taught though that before the word of wisdom there was the Temperance Movement. Temperance Movement In 1826 Marcus Morton had founded the American Temperance Society June, 1830, the Millenial Harbinger quoted in full, and with the hearty personal endorsement of Alexander Campbell, an article from the Philadelphia “Journal of Health,” The above in turn was quoting a widely circulated book, “The Simplicity of Health,” which article most strongly condemned the use of alcohol, tobacco, the eating intemperately of meats. Fascinating Facts on the Word of Wisdom/ Temperance Movement (The last one being the most [...]]]></description>
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<p><span style="Arial;">Jeff Lindsay </span><span style="Arial;">[The Word of Wisdom] outlines principles of healthy living that go far beyond the scientific knowledge of the 1800s and much of this century…The 1833 dietary guidelines sound much like the recommended &#8220;food pyramid&#8221; produced by federally-funded research in the past decade.</span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">For me and perhaps many of you it has been one of those solid concepts that when you feel rickety about some of the doctrine you can always count on the solid foundations of the word of wisdom. </span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">What I never was taught though that before the word of wisdom there was the Temperance Movement.</span></p>
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<p><strong><span style="Arial;">Temperance Movement</span></strong></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">In 1826 Marcus Morton had founded the American Temperance Society June, 1830, the <em>Millenial Harbinger</em> quoted in full, and with the hearty personal endorsement of Alexander Campbell, an article from the Philadelphia “Journal of Health,” The above in turn was quoting a widely circulated book, “The Simplicity of Health,” which article most strongly condemned the use of alcohol, tobacco, the eating intemperately of meats.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="Arial;">Fascinating Facts on the Word of Wisdom/ Temperance Movement<span> </span></span></strong><strong><span style="Arial;">(The last one being the most fascinating of them all)</span></strong></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">The church today interprets hot drinks to mean tea and coffee, although there is evidence that in the early history of the church all hot drinks were forbidden. </span><!--  /* Font Definitions */ @font-face 	{font-family:Wingdings; 	panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; 	mso-font-charset:2; 	mso-generic-font-family:auto; 	mso-font-pitch:variable; 	mso-font-signature:0 268435456 0 0 -2147483648 0;}  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0cm; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink 	{color:blue; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed 	{color:purple; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} p 	{margin-right:0cm; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0cm; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.Default, li.Default, div.Default 	{mso-style-name:Default; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0cm; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	mso-layout-grid-align:none; 	text-autospace:none; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	color:black; 	mso-ansi-language:EN-US;} @page Section1 	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt; 	margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; 	mso-header-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;}  /* List Definitions */ @list l0 	{mso-list-id:428621206; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l0:level1 	{mso-level-number-format:bullet; 	mso-level-text:; 	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt; 	font-family:Symbol;} @list l1 	{mso-list-id:1223060125; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l1:level1 	{mso-level-number-format:bullet; 	mso-level-text:; 	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt; 	font-family:Symbol;} @list l2 	{mso-list-id:1385527069; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698703 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l2:level1 	{mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt;} @list l3 	{mso-list-id:1690257833; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:775222730 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l3:level1 	{mso-level-number-format:bullet; 	mso-level-text:; 	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt; 	font-family:Symbol;} @list l4 	{mso-list-id:1903365381; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698703 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l4:level1 	{mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt;} @list l5 	{mso-list-id:1966539288; 	mso-list-type:hybrid; 	mso-list-template-ids:-1008823606 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;} @list l5:level1 	{mso-level-number-format:bullet; 	mso-level-text:; 	mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt; 	mso-level-number-position:left; 	text-indent:-18.0pt; 	font-family:Symbol;} ol 	{margin-bottom:0cm;} ul 	{margin-bottom:0cm;} --></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Word of Wisdom is by Lester Bush (physician). He shows how, contrary to recent assertions, the Word of Wisdom was actually what &#8220;medical science&#8221; in the 1820s and 1830s preached. Bush claims that the Word of Wisdom would have been far more useful (and prophetic) to the 19th Century Mormons had it included instructions to use only clean water and to adequately dispose of waste. In fact, &#8220;hot drinks&#8221; and some alcoholic beverages may have saved the lives of many 19th Century Mormons had they drank them instead of the unsanitary water in Nauvoo, along the plains, and in Utah.</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Although church leaders stress some portions of Joseph Smith’s Word of Wisdom, other portions are almost completely ignored. Mormon writer John J. Stewart observed: &#8220;The admonition to eat little meat is largely ignored, as are some other points of the revelation&#8221; </span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Temperance Societies were organized in great numbers during the early thirties, six thousand being formed in one year</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">The Temperance Society succeeded in eliminating a distillery in Kirtland on February 1, 1833, just twenty-seven days before the Latter-day Saint revelation counseling abstinence was announced, and that the distillery at Mentor, near Kirtland, was also closed at the same time (<em><span style="underline;">Brigham Young University Studies</span></em><span style="underline;">, Winter 1959, pp.39-40</span>).</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">On October 6, 1830, the Kirtland Temperance Society was organized with two hundred thirty nine members. Among its members were listed a George Smith, several Morleys, a Wells, a Coe, and a Lyman. names all associated with the history of Mormonism</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">A few years before the Word of Wisdom, Robert Owen had abolished the use of ardent spirits in his community at New Harmony.</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Whitney R. Cross points out that &#8220;the temperance movement &#8230; began much earlier&#8230; During the 1830&#8242;s it attained national scope. &#8230; Further, if alcohol was evil because it frustrated the Lord&#8217;s design for the human body, other drugs like tea, coffee, and tobacco must be equally wrong &#8230; Josiah Bissell&#8230;. had even before the 1831 revival &#8216;got beyond Temperance to the Cold Water Society—no tea, coffee or any other slops.&#8217; &#8221;</span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Joseph </span><span style="Arial;">tested </span><span style="Arial;">the </span><span style="Arial;">saints </span><span style="Arial;">to </span><span style="Arial;">make </span><span style="Arial;">sure </span><span style="Arial;">their </span><span style="Arial;">testi</span><span style="Arial;">monies </span><span style="Arial;">were </span><span style="Arial;">of </span><span style="Arial;">his </span><span style="Arial;">religion </span><span style="Arial;">and </span><span style="Arial;">not </span><span style="Arial;">of </span><span style="Arial;">him </span><span style="Arial;">as </span><span style="Arial;">a </span><span style="Arial;">personable </span><span style="Arial;">leader. </span><span style="Arial;">Amasa </span><span style="Arial;">Lyman </span><span style="Arial;">of </span><span style="Arial;">the </span><span style="Arial;">first </span><span style="Arial;">Presidency related </span><span style="Arial;">Joseph </span><span style="Arial;">Smith </span><span style="Arial;">trying </span><span style="Arial;">the </span><span style="Arial;">faith </span><span style="Arial;">of </span><span style="Arial;">the </span><span style="Arial;">saints </span><span style="Arial;">many </span><span style="Arial;">times </span><span style="Arial;">by </span><span style="Arial;">his </span><span style="Arial;">peculiarities. </span><span style="Arial;">At</span><span style="Arial;"> </span><span style="Arial;">one </span><span style="Arial;">time he had preached </span><span style="#000000;">a </span><span style="#000000;">powerful </span><span style="#000000;">sermon </span><span style="#000000;">on </span><span style="#000000;">the </span><span style="#000000;">word </span><span style="#000000;">of </span><span style="#000000;">wisdom </span><span style="#000000;">and </span><span style="#000000;">immediately </span><span style="#000000;">thereafter </span><span style="#000000;">he </span><span style="#000000;">rode </span><span style="#000000;">through </span><span style="#000000;">the </span><span style="#000000;">streets </span><span style="#000000;">of </span><span style="#000000;">Nauvoo </span><span style="#000000;">smoking </span><span style="#000000;">a </span><span style="#000000;">cigar. </span><span style="Arial;"><a href="http://patriot.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.phpCISOROOT=/MTGM&amp;CISOPTR=3327&amp;CISOSHOW=3264">http://patriot.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.phpCISOROOT=/MTGM&amp;CISOPTR=3327&amp;CISOSHOW=3264</a></span></p>
<p class="Default" style="-18pt;">Questions</p>
<p class="Default" style="justify;"><span style="Arial;">Do you have a problem with the temperance movement being, so to speak, the forefather to the word of wisdom? </span></p>
<p class="Default" style="justify;"><span style="Arial;">If the Word of Wisdom was derived from the Temperance movement does that make it feel a little less inspired to you? </span></p>
<p class="Default" style="justify;"><span style="Arial;">If the Word of Wisdom was derived from the Temperance Movement why don&#8217;t we show it in the manuals?</span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">Can you still count on the solid foundations of the word of wisdom or does the Temperance Movement make it feel rickety? </span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">Does it really matter where the word of wisdom came from &#8211; it’s a net positive if you live it?</span></p>
<p>http://ldslivingmagazine.com/articles/show/934</p>
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		<title>Stopping Time for the Unconverted</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had an interesting conversation with a woman today. Missionaries would call it a bash. I called it posing and answering meaningful questions. It prompted her to listen more than she would have.She had determined that Joseph Smith was a fraud, and she funnelled all new information through that lens.  I had a very difficult time believing that she was that closed to the Spirit that she would be unwilling to entertain the possibility he was not a fraud.  Perhaps it was the &#8220;false traditions of her fathers,&#8221; yet so many overcome such limitations.  Was it her agency? Well, that&#8217;s not very comforting. There must be a different explanation. Orson F. Whitney explained it like this: Perhaps the Lord needs such men on the outside of his Church, to help it along. They are among its auxiliaries, and can do more good for the cause where the Lord has placed them, than anywhere else… Hence, some are drawn into the fold and receive a testimony of Truth, while others remain unconverted…the beauties and glories of the gospel being veiled temporarily from their view, for wise purpose. The Lord will open their eyes in his own due time…God is using more than [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an interesting conversation with a woman today. Missionaries would call it a bash. I called it posing and answering meaningful questions. It prompted her to listen more than she would have.<span id="more-2389"></span>She had determined that Joseph Smith was a fraud, and she funnelled all new information through that lens.  I had a very difficult time believing that she was <span style="italic;">that</span> closed to the Spirit that she would be unwilling to entertain the possibility he was not a fraud.  Perhaps it was the &#8220;false traditions of her fathers,&#8221; yet so many overcome such limitations.  Was it her agency? Well, that&#8217;s not very comforting. There must be a different explanation.</p>
<p>Orson F. Whitney explained it like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps the Lord needs such men on the outside of his Church, to help it along. They are among its auxiliaries, and can do more good for the cause where the Lord has placed them, than anywhere else… Hence, some are drawn into the fold and receive a testimony of Truth, while others remain unconverted…the beauties and glories of the gospel being veiled temporarily from their view, for wise purpose. The Lord will open their eyes in his own due time…God is using more than one people for the accomplishment of his great and marvelous work. The Latter Day Saints cannot do it all. It is too vast, too arduous for any one people…We have no quarrel with the Gentiles. They are our partners in a certain sense.</p></blockquote>
<p>One might compare these perceptions to a person&#8217;s reaction to Einstein&#8217;s Special Theory of Relativity concerning the speed of light and time perception. Basically, if one travels at the speed of light, then the perception of time slows down until time essentially ceases to exist to those outside one&#8217;s frame of reference. </p>
<p>We must understand that we are asking investigators to do something similar, to stop time as it were.  The church&#8217;s claims may be possible, but they seem utterly fantastic, even absurd to the uninitiated.  So when they reject it, is it possible, as President Whitney said, that some are kept from the truth not only because they know not where to find it but also because the Lord would rather have them elsewhere for the time being?</p>
<p>If the Pope joined the Church (as we dreamed of during our missions), there would not likely be massive LDS baptisms, but charges of scandal, of madness, of intrigue.   If Mother Theresa had become a member, could she have retained her credibility as an international humanitarian?  Could it not be the Pope, Mother Theresa and others are/were doing their parts in the vast work of temporal and spiritual salvation?  While they might be introducing incorrect doctrines, isn&#8217;t it possible that the Lord plans on getting that straightened out later?  Maybe in the meantime, he needed Mother Theresa&#8217;s humanitarianism, Martin Luther&#8217;s defiance, and Isaac Newton&#8217;s mind right where they were.</p>
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		<title>Virtual RS/PH #17:  The Great Plan of Salvation</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A unique facet of Mormonism is our view of God&#8217;s plan for his children, or our purpose in life.  Today&#8217;s lesson focuses on what JS restored regarding this plan. The beginning of the lesson talks about Joseph&#8217;s re-translation of the Bible (the JST) that resulted in clarifying passages and words throughout the Bible, the Book of Moses, the expansion of Matthew 24, and several &#8220;spin-off&#8221; revelations as Joseph asked for further enlightenment about different principles, including D&#38;C 74, 76, 77, 86 and 91.  From the Book of Moses: &#8220;For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.”  Moses:  1:37, 39 The &#8220;Plan of Salvation&#8221; as we have it today resulted from JS&#8217;s efforts to restore &#8220;plain and precious&#8221; parts of the scriptures that would more clearly explain what happened before we were born, what happens after we die, and why we are here on the earth.  Some components that were restored or clarified by JS: That we existed before birth in a pre-mortal world with God &#38; Jesus.  Exactly what this looked like is still up for grabs, though.  Did we live in families?  In BYU-approved housing?  Was there a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A unique facet of Mormonism is our view of God&#8217;s plan for his children, or our purpose in life.  Today&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=c5a720596a845110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&amp;contentLocale=0">lesson</a> focuses on what JS restored regarding this plan.<span id="more-1616"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/planofsalvation.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1618 alignright" title="planofsalvation" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/planofsalvation.jpg" alt="" width="202" height="158" /></a>The beginning of the lesson talks about Joseph&#8217;s re-translation of the Bible (the JST) that resulted in clarifying passages and words throughout the Bible, the Book of Moses, the expansion of Matthew 24, and several &#8220;spin-off&#8221; revelations as Joseph asked for further enlightenment about different principles, including D&amp;C 74, 76, 77, 86 and 91.  From the Book of Moses:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.”  Moses:  1:37, 39</p></blockquote>
<p>The &#8220;Plan of Salvation&#8221; as we have it today resulted from JS&#8217;s efforts to restore &#8220;plain and precious&#8221; parts of the scriptures that would more clearly explain what happened before we were born, what happens after we die, and why we are here on the earth.  Some components that were restored or clarified by JS:</p>
<ul>
<li>That we existed before birth in a pre-mortal world with God &amp; Jesus.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Exactly what this looked like is still up for grabs, though.  Did we live in families?  In BYU-approved housing?  Was there a dress code?</span></em></li>
<li>That there was a plan, and we all sanctioned it.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Even those who have never voted in a single election apparently weighed in on this one.</span></em></li>
<li>That Satan had an alternate plan that was rejected, resulting in his being cast out.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">I always wonder if we had debates or if we vacillated at all; or were we just so dang smart we immediately saw through that &#8220;bad&#8221; plan?</span></em></li>
<li>That matter is eternal; that God &#8220;organized&#8221; rather than &#8220;created&#8221; the earth.  That we are eternal in nature, without beginning or end.  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>This puts us on much more equal footing with God than in other faiths, and is considered blasphemous to some.  Yet, as a Mormon, I have to say this is one aspect of our religion that totally ROCKS!</em></span></li>
<li>That obtaining a body, gaining knowledge and growing in faith are the purpose of life on earth.  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>This is a Mormon way of putting it; the Protestant version is that we believe our works save us rather than grace.  It is through grace we are saved; it is through our progression we increase our ability to withstand glory (God&#8217;s and our own).</em></span></li>
<li>That beings with bodies are more powerful than beings of Spirit only.  The body is not a corruption that defiles us; it glorifies us and is a part of the soul.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">This is again, a very unique teaching of Mormonism.  The body is not just a hollow husk that we gratefully discard at death; it is essential to our progress, and it is more glorious and powerful than spirit alone.</span></em></li>
<li>That each of us has moral agency and will be held responsible for our choices of good or evil; that those choices affect our ability to receive and channel spiritual light.  We are constantly in motion, either progressing or digressing.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">This idea that it&#8217;s not really possible to stand still is probably true, but a little disturbing.  Life is long.</span></em></li>
<li>That our eternal reward is not pass/fail, but is based on the degree of glory we have attained through enlightenment, faith, increasing our intelligence, and becoming like Christ and our father in Heaven.  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>Another aspect of Mormonism that I find very appealing; we are not &#8220;God&#8217;s pets,&#8221; but His children.</em></span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Are there other specific aspects of the plan of salvation and the purpose of life that we know because of revelations to the Prophet Joseph Smith that I missed? </em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Which of these do you find most compelling, enlightening and helpful?  Are there any you don&#8217;t care for or find helpful?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Do you like our plan of salvation more or less than those proposed by other religions (e.g. Hinduism, Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism)?  What do you like and not like?</em></span></p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/heavenlyfathermodifiedmr71.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1620 alignright" title="heavenlyfathermodifiedmr71" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/heavenlyfathermodifiedmr71.jpg" alt="" width="169" height="131" /></a><strong>Eternal Intelligences</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“Intelligence is eternal and exists upon a self-existent principle. It is a spirit from age to age and there is no creation about it. All the minds and spirits that God ever sent into the world are susceptible of enlargement.  God himself, finding he was in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was more intelligent, saw proper to institute laws whereby the rest could have a privilege to advance like himself. The relationship we have with God places us in a situation to advance in knowledge. He has power to institute laws to instruct the weaker intelligences, that they may be exalted with himself, so that they might have one glory upon another, and all that knowledge, power, glory, and intelligence, which is requisite in order to save them in the world of spirits.”  (1844)</p></blockquote>
<p><em><span style="color: #800080;">Q: How does this influence the way we understand our own nature?  How does this influence how we should treat other people?</span></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Are you one of the stronger or weaker intelligences?  How do you know?  When you meet a weaker intelligence, do you think &#8220;I am so awesome!&#8221;?  Do you think that&#8217;s what happens when a stronger intelligence meets you?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>Bodies Rule!</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“The design of God before the foundation of the world was that we should take tabernacles [bodies], that through faithfulness we should overcome and thereby obtain a resurrection from the dead, in this wise obtaining glory, honor, power, and dominion.”  (1843)</p>
<p><a name="29"></a></p>
<p>“We came to this earth that we might have a body and present it pure before God in the celestial kingdom. The great principle of happiness consists in having a body. The devil has no body, and herein is his punishment. He is pleased when he can obtain the tabernacle of man, and when cast out by the Savior he asked to go into the herd of swine, showing that he would prefer a swine’s body to having none. All beings who have bodies have power over those who have not.”  (undated, JS quoted by William Clayton)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How does this knowledge affect the way we should care for our bodies?  How is this unique perspective different from other religions?  From secular views?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How can we strengthen the connection between our bodies and spirits to make our bodies receptacles of light?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>You Wish The Devil Made You Do It</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“President Joseph Smith … observed that Satan was generally blamed for the evils which we did, but if he was the cause of all our wickedness, men could not be condemned. The devil could not compel mankind to do evil; all was voluntary. Those who resisted the Spirit of God, would be liable to be led into temptation, and then the association of heaven would be withdrawn from those who refused to be made partakers of such great glory. God would not exert any compulsory means, and the devil could not; and such ideas as were entertained [on these subjects] by many were absurd.”  (1841, paraphrased in Times &amp; Seasons)</p>
<p>“Satan cannot seduce us by his enticements unless we in our hearts consent and yield. Our organization is such that we can resist the devil; if we were not organized so, we would not be free agents.”  (1841, JS quoted by William P. McIntire)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Does this view marginalize Satan&#8217;s influence because we are really the ones who are free agents and responsible for our actions?  Would you rather you could blame Satan for your shortcomings?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Does Satan like his job or does he think it totally blows but he&#8217;s just putting on a happy face for the minions?  Does he get burned out?  Is he just watching the millennial clock?</em></span></p>
<p>For the teachers out there, good luck!  For the rest of you, discuss.</p>
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		<title>How Active Are You? How Orthodox Are You? A Self-Assessment</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Take this assessment and find out: (Taken from D. Jeff Burton&#8217;s For Those Who Wonder : forthosewhowonder.com. Similar to a Correlation Department survey on Religion and Life conducted among LDS Church members in the mid-1980s)]]></description>
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<p>Take this assessment and find out:</p>
<p>(Taken from D. Jeff Burton&#8217;s <em>For Those Who Wonder</em> : <a href="http://forthosewhowonder.com" target="_blank">forthosewhowonder.com</a>. Similar to a Correlation Department survey on <em>Religion and Life </em>conducted among LDS Church members in the mid-1980s)<br />
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<p><strong>Section I: Measures of Participation and Activity in Standard Church Programs</strong></p>
<p><strong>1</strong>.  How often do you attend the temple?<span id="more-1172"></span></p>
<p>(Use this first set if you live near a temple, e.g. within a 2 hour drive)</p>
<p>0 pts.) No temple recommend; no attendance in one year</p>
<p>1 pt.) No temple recommend now, but had one last year</p>
<p>2 pts.) 1-2 times per year</p>
<p>3 pts.) 3-4 times per year</p>
<p>4 pts.) 5-10 times per year</p>
<p>5 pts.) Once a month, or more</p>
<p>(Use this set if you live far-more than a 2 hour drive)</p>
<p>0) No temple recommend</p>
<p>1) No temple recommend now, but had one last year</p>
<p>2) Once per year</p>
<p>3) Once or twice per year</p>
<p>4) Two times per year</p>
<p>5) Three to four times per year</p>
<p><strong>2</strong>. How much of the Word of Wisdom do you follow?</p>
<p>0) I ignore the Word of Wisdom</p>
<p>1) Not very much</p>
<p>2) I abstain from alcohol and tobacco, most of the time</p>
<p>3) I abstain from alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea almost always</p>
<p>4) All of above, all of the time</p>
<p>5) All of above plus caffeine drinks, chocolate, and/or meat in winter</p>
<p><strong>3. </strong>If you should receive a church calling from your bishop, you would:</p>
<p>0) Never accept</p>
<p>1) Rarely accept</p>
<p>2) Accept only if convenient and desirable for me</p>
<p>3) Accept if certain conditions are met</p>
<p>4) Accept after discussion and prayer</p>
<p>5) Always accept without question</p>
<p><strong>4. </strong>Describe your attendance at regular meetings (e.g. Sunday School, priesthood meeting or Relief Society, sacrament meeting, Mutual, as applicable)</p>
<p>0) Never attend</p>
<p>1) Rarely attend, e.g. one meeting per month, any church meeting</p>
<p>2) Occasionally (less  than 40%)</p>
<p>3) Quite often (40-75%)</p>
<p>4) Regularly (more than 75%)</p>
<p>5) Never miss any meetings</p>
<p><strong>5. </strong>During an average week, how many hours do you spend in church-related activities? (Attendance at all church meetings, socials, lesson preparation, home/visiting teaching, etc.)</p>
<p>0) 0</p>
<p>1) 1</p>
<p>2) 2</p>
<p>3) 3-4</p>
<p>4) 5-6</p>
<p>5) 7 or more</p>
<p><strong>6. </strong>Describe your actual donations to the Church during the past few years.</p>
<p>0) No donations to Church</p>
<p>1) Irregular donations only, and only if asked</p>
<p>2) Occasional donations</p>
<p>3) Part tithe payer plus occasional other donations</p>
<p>4) Usually full tithe payer plus other offerings</p>
<p>5) Full tithe payer plus all other offerings</p>
<p><em>Scoring. </em>The above questions are a rough measure of your activity and participation in traditional Church programs.  Count the scores based on your answers.  The following results are not definitive but suggest trends:</p>
<p>22-30 Very active; high participation</p>
<p>15-21 Moderately active</p>
<p>7-14 Moderately non-active</p>
<p>0-6 Very non-active, little participation</p>
<p>We will use these results in Section 3.  If you scored 15 or higher, consider yourself &#8220;active&#8221;.  If  you scored 14 or lower, consider yourself &#8220;non-active&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Section II. Measures of Belief (Parts A and B, below)</strong></p>
<p>In this section we ask you to describe your real, personal thoughts and conclusions about the statements shown below.  Answer honestly, not as you think you should. Please see the scale below.</p>
<p>&lt;Increasing Doubt                 No Opinion/No Belief                    Increasing Belief&gt;</p>
<p>_________________________________________________________________________</p>
<p>0            1          2           3          4          5          6         7         8          9            10</p>
<p>Examples: (10) 2 plus 2 equals 4. (3) A Republican will be elected president in the next election. (5) James Quentin Smith is a parliamentarian in New Zealand.</p>
<p>Zero (0) represents negative knowledge-&#8221;I know the statement isn&#8217;t correct.  I know it isn&#8217;t true.&#8221; Numbers 4 to 1 represent increasing doubt-&#8221;I don&#8217;t know for sure, but I doubt it is correct.  I don&#8217;t think the statement is true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Number (5) represents lack of information and lack of belief one way or the other-&#8221;I don&#8217;t know; I have no opinion; I have no thoughts one way or the other&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ten (10) represents positive knowledge-&#8221; I know the statement is correct; I know it is true beyond any doubt.&#8221; Numbers between 6 and 9 represent increasingly strong belief-&#8221;I don&#8217;t know for sure, but I believe the statement is true;&#8221; &#8220;I think it is correct&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Part A. Beliefs about the Church and its Unique Doctrines</strong></p>
<p>The following statements represent common doctrines and teachings which set the LDS religion apart from other religious creeds and organizations. Please indicate your level of belief in the following statements.</p>
<p>Remember, record what you truly think, not what you&#8217;re supposed to think, and not what you are willing to accept by faith.</p>
<p>1. (  ) The LDS Church is the one and only true church.</p>
<p>2. (  ) It is God&#8217;s wish that we avoid alcohol and tobacco.</p>
<p>3. (  ) Both God and Jesus came to a grove of trees in which Joseph Smith was praying.</p>
<p>4. (  ) The Book of Mormon was translated from golden plates which the angel Moroni gave Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>5. (  ) LDS scriptures (e.g., Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price) are the word of God.</p>
<p>6. (  ) God directs Church leaders in their work for the Church.</p>
<p>7. (  ) The temple ceremony was written under the inspiration of God.</p>
<p>8. (  ) Christ&#8217;s gospel is being correctly taught by the Church.</p>
<p>9. (  ) The afterlife consists of three kingdoms (e.g., Celestial Kingdom, etc.)</p>
<p>10. (  ) It is important to gain a testimony that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God.</p>
<p>The above statements attempt to measure your personal beliefs about the Church&#8217;s unique teachings and doctrines.  Add and score your answers as follows:</p>
<p>76-100 Strong belief and acceptance of Church&#8217;s unique teachings</p>
<p>50-75 Moderate belief and acceptance</p>
<p>25-49 More doubt than belief</p>
<p>0-24 Serious doubts about the Church&#8217;s teachings</p>
<p>We will be using these results in Section III. Count yourself a &#8220;Believer in unique Church teachings&#8221; if you scored 50-100 and a &#8220;Disbeliever in unique Church teachings&#8221; if you scored 49 or less.</p>
<p><strong>Part B. Beliefs about your personal relationship to God and your feelings about Christ and his teachings.</strong></p>
<p>This section tries to measure your thoughts and conclusions about your relationship to God and about your personal beliefs about Christ and his teachings.</p>
<p>Please rank your beliefs, as above, 0-10.</p>
<p>1. (  ) God exists.</p>
<p>2. (  ) Christ was crucified for my sins.</p>
<p>3. (  ) God often answers my prayers, directly or indirectly.</p>
<p>4. (  ) The gospel of Jesus Christ is very important to me.</p>
<p>5. (  ) I have been personally blessed by God.</p>
<p>6. (  ) I feel close to God; I feel that Christ is my brother.</p>
<p>7. (  ) Baptism and the taking of the sacrament provide for the forgiveness of sin.</p>
<p>8. (  ) Christ&#8217;s teachings are a blueprint for life and behavior.</p>
<p>9. (  ) It is important to gain a testimony that Christ is the Savior of the world.</p>
<p>10. (  ) The Bible is the word of God.</p>
<p>Score your answers as follows.</p>
<p>76-100 Strong personal beliefs in God and Jesus Christ; positive relationship with God.</p>
<p>50-75 Moderate personal belief in God and Jesus Christ; a developing relationship with God.</p>
<p>25-49 Moderate personal disbelief in God and Jesus Christ; weak personal relationship with God.</p>
<p>0-24 Serious doubts about God, Jesus Christ, and his teachings; little personal relationship with God.</p>
<p>Please count yourself a &#8220;Personal believer in God and Jesus&#8221; if you scored 50-100.</p>
<p>Please count yourself a &#8220;Personal disbeliever in God and Jesus&#8221; if you scored 0-49.</p>
<p><strong>Section III. Results and Discussion</strong></p>
<p>You will note that there are many possible combinations of belief or lack thereof in God and Jesus and in unique LDS teachings, and in activity versus nonactivity.  So that one could presumably score as an active personal believer in God and Jesus and as a personal believer in unique LDS teachings, but one could also score as an inactive personal believer in God and Jesus and in unique LDS teachings.  One could also be an active personal disbeliever in God and Jesus but be a personal believer of unique LDS teachings.  I have witnessed this phenomenon several times.</p>
<p>I will omit Burton&#8217;s discussion points for this section and open it up to our readers to discuss the implications.  I will simply add this caveat of Burton&#8217;s, that this assessment is designed to measure <em>intellectual beliefs</em> with activity, not <em>faithfulness</em> with activity-&#8221;Many people simply cannot separate faith and intellectual belief. This works to the benefit of some (those who live by faith) and to the detriment of others (those who see lack of belief as lack of faith).&#8221;</p>
<p>So share if you dare, or simply sit back and contemplate the combinations and their consequences for our church!</a></p>
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		<title>Common Scriptures in Review: JSH 1:19</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[NOTE: This post is slightly longer than normal, since I am commenting on multiple phrases and words throughout the verse in question. Please pardon the length; I couldn't shorten it any more than I did - except to delete this disclaimer. *grin*] Perhaps the most reviled verse among non-Mormon Christians in the entire Mormon scriptural canon is Joseph Smith History 1:19 &#8211; the words of Jesus to Joseph Smith at the beginning of the First Vision regarding why he should not join any church. This single verse encapsulates the reason why many call Mormonism arrogant and offensive and blind &#8211; and the misinterpretations of this verse by Mormons themselves only add fuel to this fire. So, I am breaking out my parser&#8217;s pen and dissecting what Jesus actually said and did not say: word-by-word, sentence-by-sentence, concept-by-concept. It was a fascinating endeavor when I first undertook it, and it changed my perspective on The Restoration greatly. First, the actual question Joesph asked (in verse 18) is: I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right . . . and which I should join. The entire passage (in verse 19) says: I was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[<strong>NOTE</strong>: This post is slightly longer than normal, since I am commenting on multiple phrases and words throughout the verse in question.  Please pardon the length; I couldn't shorten it any more than I did - except to delete this disclaimer. *grin*]</p>
<p>Perhaps the most reviled verse among non-Mormon Christians in the entire Mormon scriptural canon is Joseph Smith History 1:19 &#8211; the words of Jesus to Joseph Smith at the beginning of the First Vision regarding why he should not join any church.  This single verse encapsulates the reason why many call Mormonism arrogant and offensive and blind &#8211; and the misinterpretations of this verse by Mormons themselves only add fuel to this fire.  So, I am breaking out my parser&#8217;s pen and dissecting what Jesus actually said and did not say: word-by-word, sentence-by-sentence, concept-by-concept.  It was a fascinating endeavor when I first undertook it, and it changed my perspective on The Restoration greatly.</p>
<p><span id="more-768"></span>First, the actual question Joesph asked (in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/18#18">verse 18</a>) is:</p>
<blockquote><p>I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right . . . and which I should join.</p></blockquote>
<p>The entire passage (in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19">verse 19</a>) says:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s break this down concept-by-concept and focus on the key words in each concept, focusing on what the words themselves actually mean <strong>AT THEIR MOST BASIC LEVEL</strong> &#8211; rather than secondary definitions and other interpretations that have been postulated (both within and without the Mormon Church):</p>
<p>&#8220;I was answered that <strong>I</strong> (<strong>Joseph</strong>) must join none <strong>of them</strong>,&#8221;</p>
<p>(<strong>Joseph prayed explicitly about the Protestant sects of his area and which one HE should join.</strong> Perhaps this appears to be a minor point, but I believe it is important to put the prayer in context.  Joseph was working from the core assumption that he should join a Protestant sect, and, looking back, it is clear from a faithful Mormon perspective that Joseph had a specific mission to perform in mortality within Christianity.  Other religions weren&#8217;t a part of the equation, at all &#8211; and neither was Catholicism, according to his own writings. I wonder what response a Buddhist or Hindu or Muslim would get with that exact same prayer &#8211; or if others might have specific missions to perform in mortality and receive different answers that will help them fulfill those missions, perhaps like Mother Teresa performing a wonderful work among the poor of Calcutta that would have been impossible as a Mormon. I don&#8217;t know, but parsing the text leads to interesting questions like these.)</p>
<p>&#8220;for they were all <strong>wrong</strong>;&#8221;</p>
<p>(At its most basic level, &#8220;wrong&#8221; simply means <strong>&#8220;not right&#8221; / &#8220;not correct&#8221; &#8211; or &#8220;out of order; awry; amiss&#8221;</strong>.  Also, like with school tests, it often applies to answers that contain one or more elements that are not correct &#8211; even when most elements are correct.  Thus &#8220;wrong&#8221; can mean 100% wrong or 1% wrong &#8211; or everything between those extremes.  What &#8220;wrong&#8221; <strong>DOES NOT</strong> mean is &#8220;bad, evil, terrible, worthy of scorn, useless, etc.&#8221;)</p>
<p>&#8220;and the Personage who addressed me said that all their <strong>creeds</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>(A &#8220;creed&#8221; is &#8220;an <strong>authoritative</strong>, <strong>formulated</strong> statement of the <strong>chief articles</strong> of Christian belief.&#8221;  The most common creeds referenced by those discussing this verse are the<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles'_Creed"> Apostles&#8217; Creed</a>, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed">Nicene Creed</a>, and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed">Athanasian Creed</a>, but these creeds essentially were the Catholic Creeds of the early centuries. The Athanasian Creed had a strong impact on much of the Protestant theology that existed in Joseph Smith&#8217;s time, but there were other &#8220;Protestant creeds&#8221; (like the  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Confession_of_Faith">Westminster Confession of Faith</a>) that  rarely are considered in the context of this verse &#8211; and those Protestant creeds are every bit as relevant as the early Catholic Creeds.  (I believe, more so) [The closest thing in Mormonism to "creeds" are The Articles of Faith.]  What &#8220;creeds&#8221; <strong>DOES NOT</strong> mean is &#8220;general teachings, statements, beliefs, general principles, etc.&#8221;  <strong>This means that much of what actually is taught in other sects is not addressed in this verse, only &#8220;their creeds&#8221;.</strong>)</p>
<p>&#8220;were an <strong>abomination</strong> in <strong>his sight</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>(Abomination means &#8220;anything greatly disliked, abhorred or loathed&#8221;. It is this word that is most &#8220;abominable, abhorred or loathed&#8221; by other Christians.  However, when focused on the &#8220;creeds&#8221; [particularly in statements like the Westminster Confession], it is much easier to understand.  Just a few examples are: hardcore Calvinist pre-destination that eliminates agency in all practical ways, the complete elimination of the Father as a separate being from Jesus,  the incorporeal nature of God that led to a real and harmful loathing of the body and all things physical, the loss of all concept of eternal progression and exaltation, etc. There are more examples of creeds that truly would be abominable when viewed by Jesus ["in his sight"].  What this <strong>DOES NOT</strong> say is that everything taught by the other sects was an abomination. It leaves the door wide open for truth and beauty and goodness to be taught.</p>
<p>[Just as an aside, I find it fascinating to watch mainstream Protestantism move inexorably away from many of these creeds that were so strongly taught in Joseph's day toward what is taught in Mormonism.])</p>
<p>&#8220;that <strong>THOSE</strong> <strong>professors</strong>&#8221; (&#8220;Professors&#8221; means &#8220;those who profess&#8221; &#8211; nothing more and nothing less.  &#8220;Profess&#8221; means &#8220;claim, allege, purport, avow&#8221; &#8211; and there is a strong association with making claims as part of a &#8220;profession&#8221; from a position of authority.  The critical distinction in this verse, however, is that &#8220;professors&#8221; is tied directly to the &#8220;creeds&#8221; &#8211; <strong>NOT</strong> even implicitly to other teachings that are not creedal.  What this means is that &#8220;those professors&#8221; <strong>DOES NOT</strong> mean <strong>ALL</strong> &#8220;ministers, preachers, pastors, priests, members, believers, etc.&#8221; Rather, it means anyone who &#8220;professes those creeds&#8221; &#8211; who teaches the creeds from a position of authority &#8211; who teaches things that are abominations in Jesus&#8217; sight &#8211; who teaches them as &#8220;creeds&#8221; [as unalterable, immutable, unquestionable]. It places as much weight on the intractability of the profession as it does on what is being professed &#8211; meaning it focuses on those who are closed to continuing revelation and stuck on abominable creeds of the past.</p>
<p>[In a very real way, but not exactly analogous due to not being "creeds", it is like those who continue to espouse views from past Mormon leaders that have been abandoned or refuted by current leaders - like the justifications for the Priesthood ban that were repudiated by Elder McConkie shortly after the 1978 revelation lifting the ban or the continued practice of polygamy in the 21st Century.])</p>
<p>&#8220;were all <strong>corrupt</strong>;&#8221;</p>
<p>(At its most basic level, corrupt simply means &#8220;tainted; not pure&#8221;.  If someone professes abominable creeds, those creeds inevitably will taint those who profess them.  To me, this is perhaps the most logical assertion of all the statements in this verse.  What this <strong>DOES NOT</strong> say is that these people are &#8220;evil, bad, insincere, conniving, manipulative, worthy of scorn, etc.&#8221; It actually says <strong>nothing</strong> about their motivation or desires; it <strong>only</strong> addresses the inherent stain of abominable creeds.)</p>
<p>&#8220;that:&#8221; (The following statements are the only ones that are attributed as a quote directly to Jesus &#8211; rather than Joseph&#8217;s summary in the first part of the verse.)</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>they</strong> draw near to me with their <strong>lips</strong>,&#8221; (&#8220;They&#8221; refers back to the &#8220;professors of the creeds&#8221;, who speak of Jesus.  There is no other implication and no insult, condemnation or criticism inherent in this phrase.)</p>
<p>&#8220;but <strong>their hearts</strong> are far from me,&#8221; (This is a painful statement for many, but &#8220;heart&#8221; in this case does not mean the actual physical organ &#8211; and it does not have to mean &#8220;intent or desire&#8221;.  The &#8220;heart&#8221; in this context is defined as the &#8220;vital or essential part&#8221; of something &#8211; what lies at the very core. In other words, the &#8220;essential part&#8221; of the &#8220;professors of the creeds&#8221; is far from Jesus.  For example, the essential parts of the creeds melds Jesus into the Father, prays to Jesus (instead of to the Father in the name of the Son), refuses to accept His oft-repeated request to show their love through their acceptance of His commandments (&#8220;by their fruits&#8221;) and rejects individual agency and will by preaching predestination, etc.  In summary, they use and preach his name but don&#8217;t promulgate his teachings.  What this <strong>DOES NOT</strong> say is that <strong>ALL</strong> Christians fit this description.  It is pointed <strong>ONLY</strong> at those who profess the creeds, and it is pointed only at their &#8220;hearts&#8221; [what they believe deep down as bedrock doctrine], not their lips [much of what they say and teach].)</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>they</strong> teach for doctrines the <strong>commandments of men</strong>,&#8221;</p>
<p>(This phrase equates those who profess the creeds with those who substitute human commands for doctrine. It <strong>DOES NOT</strong> apply to regular members of other sects, at all &#8211; <strong>OR</strong> to ministers, preachers, pastors or priests who teach doctrine from the scriptures themselves and don&#8217;t preach the creeds.)</p>
<p>&#8220;having a <strong>form</strong> of godliness,&#8221;</p>
<p>(&#8220;Form&#8221; means &#8220;structure, appearance, shape, etc.&#8221; Thus, those who profess the creeds teach something that is shaped like and appears to be godly.)</p>
<p>&#8220;but they deny the <strong>power</strong> <strong>thereof</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>(This is the clinching argument against the creeds &#8211; that they reject the power of godliness.  That phrase alone deserves its own post, but suffice it to say here that the creed professors are not accused of denying Jesus; rather, they are accused of denying His power &#8211; what He, through his Atonement, is capable of doing. They are accused of claiming that He can&#8217;t do what He has said He will do, which is the most basic abomination of all. I addressed that central concept in two other posts &#8211; <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/07/07/praise-honor-glory-be-to-god/">Praise, Honor and Glory Be to God</a> &amp; <a href="http://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2007/12/problem-with-popular-perceptions-of.html">The Problem with the Popular Perception of Perfection</a>.)</p>
<p>In summary, JSH 1:19 is a direct attack on the creeds of Joseph&#8217;s day (<strong>more so the newer Protestant ones than the older Catholic ones</strong>), defining the primary reason why he was told not to join any of them as being their profession of those creeds.  The only people who are mentioned directly in any way are those who profess those creeds, and even these people are only described in terms of their acceptance of those creeds by which they are tainted.  It says absolutely nothing about anyone or anything else, and it says nothing about the salvation of even the professors whose creeds it condemns.</p>
<p><strong>At the most basic level, this verse has one message and only one message:</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The Protestant <strong>CREEDS</strong> are an abomination, and they taint all those who profess them.&#8221;</p>
<p>That certainly is harsh to those who profess the creeds, but it also says <strong>MUCH</strong>, <strong>MUCH</strong>,<strong> </strong>less than too many Mormons (and others) assume.</p>
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		<title>Is the Internet a Urim &amp; Thummim?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is a Urim &#38; Thummim, and how will the earth become like one? Is this like the statement by Brigham Young that missionaries would teach people on the moon and the sun? (still waiting for that mission call)  Or is it an example of a pre-industrial man trying to explain 21st century technology in terms he understood? What is a Urim &#38; Thummim? Literal translation yields several choices:  &#8220;truth and light,&#8221; &#8220;lights and perfections,&#8221; &#8220;revelation and truth&#8221; or &#8220;truth and doctrine.&#8221; An ancient form of communication with God along with dreams and prophets.  (like lds.org?) Sometimes they were used by prophets, but the implication is that they could also be used by others to answer yes/no questions.  (Sounds like binary code to me, the basis of all computer programming . . .) So, what was the prophecy? Joseph Smith said (in April 1843): &#8220;The earth when it is purified will be made like unto crystal (or a computer monitor perhaps?) and will be a Urim &#38; Thummim whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom or all kingdoms of a lower order will be manifest to those who dwell on it.&#8221;  (it could be called &#8220;wiki-worlds&#8221;  CK could stay [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a Urim &amp; Thummim, and how will the earth become like one?<span id="more-740"></span></p>
<p>Is this like the statement by Brigham Young that missionaries would teach people on the moon and the sun? (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>still waiting for that mission call</em></span>)  Or is it an example of a pre-industrial man trying to explain 21st century technology in terms he understood?</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/images/casting_lots/urim.jpg" alt="http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/images/casting_lots/urim.jpg" width="162" height="129" /><strong>What is a Urim &amp; Thummim?</strong></p>
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<li>Literal translation yields several choices:  &#8220;truth and light,&#8221; &#8220;lights and perfections,&#8221; &#8220;revelation and truth&#8221; or &#8220;truth and doctrine.&#8221;</li>
<li>An ancient form of communication with God along with dreams and prophets.  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>like lds.org?</em></span>)</li>
<li>Sometimes they were used by prophets, but the implication is that they could also be used by others to answer yes/no questions.  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>Sounds like binary code to me, the basis of all computer programming . . .</em></span>)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>So, what was the prophecy? </strong> Joseph Smith said (in April 1843):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The earth when it is purified will be made like unto crystal (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>or a computer monitor perhaps?</em></span>) and will be a  Urim &amp; Thummim whereby all things pertaining to an  inferior kingdom or all kingdoms of a lower order will be manifest to those  who dwell on it.&#8221;  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>it could be called &#8220;wiki-worlds&#8221;  CK could stay in touch with lower kingdoms through open forums and chat rooms, perhaps a Facebook style application.</em></span>)</p>
<p>&#8220;Then the white stone (<em><span style="color: #0000ff;">a mouse?  or maybe a hard token? or a flash drive?</span></em>)  mentioned in Rev. c 2 v 17 is the Urim &amp; Thummim whereby all things pertaining  to an higher order of kingdoms even all kingdoms will be made known and a  white stone (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>could be a white blackberry&#8211;I hope it&#8217;s got GPS and wi-fi!</em></span>) is given to each of those who come into this celestial kingdom,  whereon is a new name written which no man knoweth save he that receiveth it. The new name is the key word.&#8221;  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>or password?  although some people will probably just stick it on a post it note in their desk drawer; do you people care nothing for security?</em></span>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Could the internet be a Urim &amp; Thummim according to the prophecy and descriptions?  If so, did Al Gore know he was fulfilling Mormon prophecy when he invented it?  Does that, in fact, make him a Mormon (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>well, posthumously maybe</em></span>)?  Speaking of Al Gore&#8217;s inventions (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>went there!</em></span>), is global warming what is meant by the earth being cleansed by fire at the last day (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>maybe &#8220;by fire&#8221; was an exaggeration</em></span>)?  What do you think?  Discuss.</p>
<p>P.S. Please forgive my shameless digs at our former popularly elected president.  All meant in good fun.</p>
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		<title>Virtual RS/PH #16:  Revelation &amp; the Living Prophet</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally, a lesson that really makes you think!  This is probably my favorite JS lesson this year (no one dies or has to move to Missouri).  For those who are teaching, you may also enjoy the excellent essay at Feast on the Word blog by joespencer. This lesson tees up some interesting dichotomies.  Consider the delicate balance between the following as you prepare: Old doctrine vs. new revelation Dead prophets vs. living prophets; written revelation (scripture) vs. verbal revelation Personal revelation vs. doctrinal revelation for the church What we know vs. what we don&#8217;t know (what God knows that we don&#8217;t) On a more personal note, consider the following: Desire for stability vs. willingness to change The tendency to validate our own opinions vs. the tendency to spiritualize things that are not revelation or are trivial (e.g. God&#8217;s favorite breakfast cereal) Seeking a confirmation of our own beliefs vs. being completely open to God&#8217;s viewpoint Our imperfect ability to receive, comprehend and communicate vs. God&#8217;s perfect communication The First Presidency as a council on earth vs. The Godhead as a council on the other side of the veil Our Will vs. God&#8217;s Will “We never can comprehend the things of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, a lesson that really makes you think!  This is probably my favorite JS lesson this year (no one dies or has to move to Missouri).  For those who are teaching, you may also enjoy the excellent essay at <a href="http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/08/10/rsmp-lesson-16-revelation-and-the-living-prophet-joseph-smith-manual/">Feast on the Word</a> blog by <em>joespencer</em>.<span id="more-1012"></span></p>
<p>This lesson tees up some interesting dichotomies.  Consider the delicate balance between the following as you prepare:</p>
<ul>
<li>Old doctrine vs. new revelation</li>
<li>Dead prophets vs. living prophets; written revelation (scripture) vs. verbal revelation</li>
<li>Personal revelation vs. doctrinal revelation for the church</li>
<li>What we know vs. what we don&#8217;t know (what God knows that we don&#8217;t)</li>
</ul>
<p>On a more personal note, consider the following:</p>
<ul>
<li>Desire for stability vs. willingness to change</li>
<li>The tendency to validate our own opinions vs. the tendency to spiritualize things that are not revelation or are trivial (e.g. God&#8217;s favorite breakfast cereal)</li>
<li>Seeking a confirmation of our own beliefs vs. being completely open to God&#8217;s viewpoint</li>
<li>Our imperfect ability to receive, comprehend and communicate vs. God&#8217;s perfect communication</li>
<li>The First Presidency as a council on earth vs. The Godhead as a council on the other side of the veil</li>
</ul>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mainimage.jpg" alt="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mainimage.jpg" width="154" height="140" /><strong>Our Will vs. God&#8217;s Will</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“We never can comprehend the things of God and of heaven, but by revelation. We may spiritualize and express opinions to all eternity; but that is no authority.” (1843)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How can we avoid the temptation to spiritualize things that were not inherently spiritual?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How can we avoid the temptation to limit our understanding of God to only what conforms with our own opinions?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Revelation&#8221; Rules, &#8220;No Revelation&#8221; Drools</strong> (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>anyone else think</em><em> that would make a great title for a GC talk?</em></span>)</p>
<blockquote><p>“The doctrine of revelation far transcends the doctrine of no revelation; for one truth revealed from heaven is worth all the sectarian notions in existence.” (1844)</p>
<p>“Salvation cannot come without revelation; it is in vain for anyone to minister without it. … No man can be a minister of Jesus Christ except he has the testimony of Jesus; and this is the spirit of prophecy.&#8221;  (1839)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How is revelation necessary to our salvation and to being a minister of Jesus?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  What are the risks of a closed canon (no revelation)?  What are the risks of an open canon (ongoing revelation)?<br />
</em></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.mormonmomma.com/images/first-presidency.png" alt="http://www.mormonmomma.com/images/first-presidency.png" width="117" height="129" /><strong>New vs. Old</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We are differently situated from any other people that ever existed upon this earth; consequently those former revelations cannot be suited to our conditions; they were given to other people, who were before us.&#8221;  (1834)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Should we liken scriptures to our day or liken our day to scriptures (through GC talks)?</em></span> <em><span style="color: #800080;"> How can we get the best of both ancient and modern counsel?</span></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Do living prophets always trump dead prophets?  Why or why not?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>Revelation is Key to Mormonism</strong></p>
<blockquote><p><em><a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1//9#9')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1/9#9" target="contentWindow">Articles of Faith 1:9</a>:</em> “We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.”</p>
<p>“The President then gave a relation of obtaining and translating the Book of Mormon, the revelation of the Priesthood of Aaron, the organization of the Church in 1830, the revelation of the High Priesthood, and the gift of the Holy Ghost poured out upon the Church, and said: ‘Take away the Book of Mormon and the revelations, and where is our religion? We have none.’ ”  (1834)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Why is revelation a key concept of the restoration?  Could there have been a restoration without revelation?  What does revelation mean to you (inspiration, spiritual channeling, divine dictation, or something else)?<br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  What are the great and important things yet to be revealed?  Any guesses?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>Organizational vs. Personal Revelation</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>It is contrary to the economy of God for any member of the Church, or any one, to receive instructions for those in authority, higher than themselves; therefore you will see the impropriety of giving heed to them; but if any person have a vision or a visitation from a heavenly messenger, it must be for his own benefit and instruction; for the fundamental principles, government, and doctrine of the Church are vested in the keys of the kingdom. (1833)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><em><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  How does the above revelation provide order to the church?  When does our personal revelation trump organizational revelation?<br />
</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  Can members of the church disagree with church leaders without becoming apostate?  If so, under what circumstances?</span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><img class="alignright" src="http://www.markdroberts.com/images/Sallman-Heart-Door-3.jpg" alt="http://www.markdroberts.com/images/Sallman-Heart-Door-3.jpg" width="122" height="154" /><strong>Being Open to Revelation</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>There are a great many wise men and women too in our midst who are too wise to be taught; therefore they must die in their ignorance, and in the resurrection they will find their mistake. Many seal up the door of heaven by saying, So far God may reveal and I will believe.</p>
<p>It always has been when a man was sent of God with the priesthood and he began to preach the fullness of the gospel, that he was thrust out by his friends, who are ready to butcher him if he teach things which they imagine to be wrong; and Jesus was crucified upon this principle.  (1843)</p>
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<p>Based on the second half of this statement, God&#8217;s teaching should be controversial and provoke us to action (or outrage, depending on your position), not be limited to what we can come up with on our own.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q: How can we question our assumptions and avoid limiting our ability to receive personal revelation?<br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How do we avoid the trap of being &#8220;too wise to be taught&#8221;?</em></span></p>
<p>So, what are your thoughts on this provocative lesson and the questions it raises?  Are there other questions you would ask?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Common Scriptures in Review: The Only True and Living Church</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[D&#38;C 1:30 As the resident parser, here goes: First, here is verse 29: And after having received the record of the Nephites, yea, even my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., might have power to translate through the mercy of God, by the power of God, the Book of Mormon. Now verse 30: “And also those to whom these commandments were given” (Joseph was mentioned in v.29 in relation to the translation of the Book of Mormon, but this verse references others &#8211; also those to whom “collectively” the commandments within the subsequent D&#38;C were addressed.) “might have power to lay the foundation of this church,” (lay the foundation does NOT mean or even imply the entire construction, only the setting of the foundation; thus, there is a solid implication that others “to whom these commandments were [NOT] given [yet]” would continue the construction upon the foundation built by these first people.) “and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness” (I think “obscurity” is self-explanatory &#8211; and the Church certainly was obscured back then. In many ways, that only recently has been completed; in many ways, it still is being accomplished. I read “darkness” as describing the spiritual [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1/30#30">D&amp;C 1:30</a></p>
<p>As the resident parser, here goes:</p>
<p>First, here is <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1/29#29">verse 29</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>And after having received the record of the Nephites, yea, even my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., might have power to translate through the mercy of God, by the power of God, the Book of Mormon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now verse 30:</p>
<p><span id="more-639"></span>“And <strong>also</strong> those to whom these commandments were given”</p>
<p>(Joseph was mentioned in v.29 in relation to the translation of the Book of Mormon, but this verse references others &#8211; <strong>also</strong> those to whom “collectively” the commandments within the subsequent D&amp;C were addressed.)</p>
<p>“might have power to lay the <strong>foundation</strong> of this church,”</p>
<p>(lay the foundation does <strong>NOT</strong> mean or even imply the entire construction, only the setting of the foundation; thus, there is a solid implication that others “to whom these commandments were [<strong>NOT</strong>] given [<strong>yet</strong>]” would continue the construction upon the foundation built by these first people.)</p>
<p>“and to bring it forth out of <strong>obscurity</strong> and out of <strong>darkness</strong>”</p>
<p>(I think “obscurity” is self-explanatory &#8211; and the Church certainly was obscured back then.  In many ways, that only recently has been completed; in many ways, it still is being accomplished. I read “darkness” as describing the spiritual darkness of an apostate world &#8211; a light shining from the darkness to be set on a hill outside of that darkness, if you will. The fascinating aspect is that those who would &#8220;bring it forth out of obscurity and darkness&#8221; aren&#8217;t limited necessarily to the first group but appears to include those who later would build on the original foundation. I wonder how much of that removal process was figurative and how much was fulfilled by the literal exodus to Utah.)</p>
<p>“–” (I always have read this verse as if it had a dash instead of a comma. It simply makes more linguistic sense that way.)</p>
<p>“the only <strong>true</strong> <strong><em>AND</em></strong> <strong>living</strong> church upon the face of the whole earth,”</p>
<p>(of all the possible meanings for “true”, I like the following &#8211; as it relates to an organization: <strong>“of the right kind; such as it should be; proper: to arrange things in their true order.”</strong> That changes the concept in very real and, I believe, important ways from what generally is assumed. In that light, I like the following definition for “living”: <strong>“pertaining to, suitable for, or sufficient for existence or subsistence”</strong> &#8211; which implies feeding in such a way that life can continue – meaning <strong>life-giving</strong> or <strong>regenerating</strong> &#8211; as in “living” water. Therefore, an altered translation might be something like, <strong>&#8220;the only proper, correctly arranged/ordered and eternal-life-giving church . . .&#8221;</strong>)</p>
<p>(also, the use of true &#8220;<strong>and</strong>&#8221; living can imply that there are other churches that are either true &#8220;<strong>or</strong>&#8221; living, but none that are both.  I don&#8217;t know for sure, but I do think there is a powerful possibility of an implicit suggestion that some other churches might be partly true (not fully false) and lack, more than anything else, the grander vision that would make them &#8220;come alive&#8221;. I&#8217;m not sure that is what was meant, but it is a conclusion with which I agree &#8211; and which can be supported by the text.)</p>
<p>“with which I, the Lord, am <strong>well pleased</strong>,” (From a scriptural basis, this simply means “very pleased” &#8211; <strong>as opposed to merely pleased</strong>. It draws an implicit distinction between being &#8220;well&#8221; pleased and simply being pleased. More on that later.)</p>
<p>“speaking unto the church <strong>collectively</strong> and <strong>not individually</strong>.” (The Church <strong>as an organization</strong> is well-pleasing unto the Lord, even though any number of individuals, with no respect to position [even the Prophet himself], may not be &#8220;well-pleasing&#8221; at any given moment.)</p>
<p>(I favor a period at the end of this verse. The dash, in context, makes vs.20-30 a parenthetical comment and ties v.31 to v.19 &#8211; and I simply don’t see that as the proper connection. It just doesn&#8217;t make sense.)</p>
<p>When we look at this verse, there are three separate and distinct classifications used to describe the &#8220;church&#8221; &#8211; which, taken together, appear to constitute the full meaning of the word &#8220;church&#8221; in God&#8217;s eyes. &#8220;The foundation of this church&#8221; and &#8220;the true church&#8221; appear to refer to the basic organizational structure and essential offices (which are properly ordered and arranged), while &#8220;the living church&#8221; appears to refer to the Restored Gospel it teaches (especially the concept of eternal life that follows faith, repentance, baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost). On the other hand, &#8220;the church collectively and not individually&#8221; appears to refer to the membership. It&#8217;s fascinating for me to think of this as one more example of the use of a &#8220;trinity&#8221; construct to describe perfection.</p>
<p>Shifting gears a little, when I look at what I think the verse actually says, I am left to discount what I believe it does not say &#8211; even what has been assumed by many but simply isn’t there. The following are a few of the things I believe are incorrect <strong>assumptions</strong> &#8211; things the verse simply does <strong>NOT</strong> say:</p>
<p><strong>False Assumption #1)</strong> The Church’s structure was restored exactly as existed in the time of the ancient apostles. Any deviation from the ancient structure invalidates its “true” structure, and every part of the current organization was in place in the ancient Church.</p>
<p>(Hogwash. It just doesn&#8217;t say that. We do believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive church, but it clearly was only the foundation that was laid at the time of the Restoration. Furthermore, the relevant <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/1/6#6">Article of Faith (#6)</a> follows the &#8220;same organization&#8221; statement with a listing of essential responsibilities/offices, not the entire structure. Also, architecturally, since we are dealing with a &#8220;foundation&#8221; upon which a structure will be built, similar or equivalent structures can contain radically different internal components and still be the same shape or structure. This idea is bolstered by the increasing complexity of the organizational Church as it grows numerically and geographically &#8211; changing the outward appearance and internal structure, but not affecting the foundation in the slightest &#8211; as well as the differences that appear to have existed among the various congregations within the ancient Church.)</p>
<p><strong>False Assumption #2)</strong> All other Churches are bad or abominable.</p>
<p>(Simply not said &#8211; here or in JSH 1:19 [which will be parsed in a future post in a couple of weeks]. They might not be “of the right kind; such as [they] should be; proper: [arranged] in their true order,” but it does not say they are evil or bad. They might not make the Lord “well pleased”, but there is nothing that says the Lord isn’t &#8220;pleased&#8221; with them in some or many ways. In fact, the usage of a qualifier ["well"] generally implies that the same term without the qualifier ["pleased"] applies to the entities being compared. I know it is a radically different interpretation than the standard one, but I believe the words of the verse itself state that the Lord is not displeased with all religions other than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints &#8211; that at least some others do please Him to some degree.)</p>
<p><strong>False Assumption #3)</strong> Other churches (and members of those other churches) are spiritually dead.</p>
<p>(Stupid, imo. Their churches might not be living in the sense that they provide eternal growth [“eternal life giving"] &#8211; since they don’t even teach life eternal, as we understand it &#8211; but there is no statement saying the other churches cause their members to be separated from godliness, which is the orthodox definition of spiritual death within Mormonism. <strong>At worst</strong>, if other Christians accept their churches&#8217; teachings fully and reject Mormonism completely, the vast majority of them still will live immortally in the presence of The God they worship &#8211; Jesus, the Christ. Nothing in verse 30 says otherwise.)</p>
<p><strong>False Assumption #4)</strong> Our leaders are &#8220;true&#8221; (infallible) and will never teach things that are not 100% true.</p>
<p>(The verse itself says the Lord is <strong>NOT</strong> well-pleased with individuals <strong>in the Church</strong>, and it is followed by the numerous rebukes of Joseph, Oliver and others in the “commandments” it prefaces. The Church as a whole is well-pleasing and will continue to provide life to its members, but individual members, no matter their standing, still can incur the Lord’s displeasure.)</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Virtual RS/PH #15:  Establishing the Cause of Zion</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, last week I said the death lesson was going to be tough.  Frankly, I think a Zion lesson is no picnic either.  I&#8217;m looking ahead though, and there are some better ones on the horizon, so hang in there, teachers! On June 7, 1831, right after the Saints had finished gathering in Ohio, Joseph announced that he had received a revelation about Zion, the gathering place for the Saints (now found in D&#38;C 52: 2): “The next conference … shall be held in Missouri, upon the land which I will consecrate unto my people” To which the stunned congregation probably replied something like, &#8220;What the . . . ?!&#8221; Then, by late 1833, they were driven out of their homes in Jackson County, Missouri (picture at right is a park in Jackson County&#8211;er, Wisconsin!  Psych!  Good catch, Raoul) and told that the establishment of Zion must &#8220;wait for a little season.&#8221;  (D&#38;C 105: 9)  Joseph explained some reasons why this wait was necessary: I cannot learn from any communication by the Spirit to me, that Zion has forfeited her claim to a celestial crown, notwithstanding the Lord has caused her to be thus afflicted, except it may be some [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, last week I said the death lesson was going to be tough.  Frankly, I think a Zion lesson is no picnic either.  I&#8217;m looking ahead though, and there are some better ones on the horizon, so hang in there, teachers!<span id="more-1001"></span></p>
<p>On June 7, 1831, right after the Saints had finished gathering in Ohio, Joseph announced that he had received a revelation about Zion, the gathering place for the Saints (now found in D&amp;C 52: 2):</p>
<blockquote><p>“The next conference … shall be held in Missouri, upon the land which I will consecrate unto my people”</p></blockquote>
<p>To which the stunned congregation probably replied something like, &#8220;What the . . . ?!&#8221;</p>
<p><img class="alignright" style="cursor: -moz-zoom-in;" src="http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/images/Cover%20Photo.JPG" alt="http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/images/Cover%20Photo.JPG" width="156" height="117" />Then, by late 1833, they were driven out of their homes in Jackson County, Missouri (picture at right is a park in Jackson County&#8211;er, Wisconsin!  Psych!  Good catch, Raoul) and told that the establishment of Zion must &#8220;wait for a little season.&#8221;  (D&amp;C 105: 9)  Joseph explained some reasons why this wait was necessary:</p>
<blockquote><p>I cannot learn from any communication by the Spirit to me, that Zion has forfeited her claim to a celestial crown, notwithstanding the Lord has caused her to be thus afflicted, except it may be some individuals, who have walked in disobedience, and forsaken the new covenant; all such will be made manifest by their works in due time.  I know that Zion, in the due time of the Lord, will be redeemed; but how many will be the days of her purification, tribulation, and affliction, the Lord has kept hid from my eyes; and when I inquire concerning this subject, the voice of the Lord is: Be still, and know that I am God!  (Dec 1833)</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>What is Zion?</strong></p>
<p>Zion is referred to 154 times in the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible).  In referring repeated to Zion, JS was clearly linking the restored church with the Israelites, which gave them a sense of purpose, community and destiny.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  So, what is Zion?  Is it a place?  A community?  A state of mind?</span></p>
<p><strong>Zion as a Literal Gathering Place</strong></p>
<p>Article of Faith 10, written in 1842, was still focused on a literal gathering:</p>
<blockquote><p>We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent.</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  Are there any good restaurants in Missouri?  (Just seeing if you&#8217;re paying attention.  I googled it and got just a DQ and a Subway in Jackson County.  Seriously.)</span></p>
<p><strong>Zion as a State of Mind</strong></p>
<p>Joseph also made statements indicating that Zion was more conceptual than just a literal gathering-place.  Stakes of the church are also referred to as Zion.</p>
<blockquote><p>Anyplace where the Saints gather is Zion, which every righteous man will build up for a place of safety for his children.  (1840)</p>
<p>There will be here and there a Stake [of Zion] for the gathering of the Saints. … There your children shall be blessed, and you in the midst of friends where you may be blessed. The Gospel net gathers of every kind.  <a name="18"></a> “… We ought to have the building up of Zion as our greatest object. … The time is soon coming, when no man will have any peace but in Zion and her stakes.  (1839)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  How does gathering with the Saints bless us?  Do you think it&#8217;s possible to get equally close to God independently as we do within the community of the church?  If so, isn&#8217;t that a little bit like home schooling (limited in the number of teachers &amp; perspectives)?<br />
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<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  How should the counsel about Zion apply to our homes, our wards, our stakes, and the church at large?  How do we make the stakes of the church and our homes places of safety &amp; peace?<br />
</span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.truthinlove.com/Pictures/clouds-jesus.bmp" alt="http://www.truthinlove.com/Pictures/clouds-jesus.bmp" width="125" height="160" /><strong>Looking Forward to Christ&#8217;s Return</strong></p>
<p>One purpose of Zion was to anticipate Christ&#8217;s return as the ruler of His people:</p>
<blockquote><p>[R]ighteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine own elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, a holy city, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming, for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem’ [<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/7//62#62')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/7/62#62" target="contentWindow">Moses 7:62</a>].  <em>from Enoch&#8217;s prophecy</em></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  Are you looking forward to Christ&#8217;s return or not thinking much about it?  Does it kind of freak you out?</span></p>
<p><strong>Purifying the Saints</strong></p>
<p>When the Saints were kicked out of Missouri, the focus was on purifying the Saints so they would become worthy to inherit Zion:</p>
<blockquote><p>“If Zion will not purify herself, so as to be approved of in all things, in His sight, He will seek another people; for His work will go on until Israel is gathered, and they who will not hear His voice, must expect to feel His wrath. Let me say unto you, seek to purify yourselves, and also all the inhabitants of Zion, lest the Lord’s anger be kindled to fierceness. Repent, repent, is the voice of God to Zion; and strange as it may appear, yet it is true, mankind will persist in self-justification until all their iniquity is exposed, and their character past being redeemed, and that which is treasured up in their hearts be exposed to the gaze of mankind.  (1833)</p>
<p>“So long as unrighteous acts are suffered in the Church, it cannot be sanctified, neither can Zion be redeemed.”  (1834)</p>
<p>“Let every one labor to prepare himself for the vineyard, sparing a little time to comfort the mourners; to bind up the broken-hearted; to reclaim the backslider; to bring back the wanderer; to re-invite into the kingdom such as have been cut off, by encouraging them to lay to while the day lasts, and work righteousness, and, with one heart and one mind, prepare to help redeem Zion, that goodly land of promise, where the willing and the obedient shall be blessed. … [We] pray our heavenly Father that you may be very prayerful, very humble, and very charitable; working diligently, spiritually and temporally, for the redemption of Zion, that the pure in heart may return with songs of everlasting joy to build up her waste places, and meet the Lord when He comes in His glory.  (1835)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  Why do individuals need to be pure before Zion will be redeemed?  By show of hands, which of you slackers are holding us back?  (Just kidding!)<br />
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<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  How do we reconcile reclaiming the backslider, bringing back the wanderer, and re-inviting those who have been cut off with the statement that Zion can&#8217;t be redeemed so long as there are unrighteous acts suffered in the church?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">This last question is the one I find the most interesting.  To elaborate, <span style="color: #800080;">how can we establish a united people when the church is full of individuals at various levels of understanding, righteousness and self- and social awareness?  Is Zion a pipe dream or is it to be found in the striving for it only, and more at an individual level than an aggregate level?  What&#8217;s the closest you&#8217;ve ever gotten to a Zion experience?</span><br />
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<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Common Scriptures in Review / Foundations of Becoming: The Process of Perfection</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[NOTE: This is the third post in the series, "Common Scriptures in Review", but it also is the first post in another series explained at the end of the post.] The great commandment &#8220;in the law&#8221; is, in summary, &#8220;Love God and everyone else.&#8221; However, the great culmination of Christ&#8217;s penultimate sermon (The Sermon on the Mount) is a powerful commandment outside the law &#8211; a commandment that cannot be fulfilled simply by obedience to the law. This foundational command is contained in Matthew 5:48: &#8220;Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which art in Heaven is perfect.&#8221; Ancient Judaism and much of historical Christianity has addressed this commandment in one of two ways: 1) by applying a legalistic meaning (&#8220;never make a mistake/commit a sin&#8221;) and, based on the impossibility of that definition alone, adding layers of insulation in laws and rules to regulate action; 2) turning it into a suggestion &#8211; something one cannot hope to achieve but a nice platitude regardless. (&#8220;Try not to make mistakes/sin, but realize it doesn&#8217;t really matter in the long run.&#8221;) While this sounds fine &#8211; and even laudable &#8211; to most people, it totally destroys the power and beauty of [...]]]></description>
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<p>The great commandment <span style="bold;">&#8220;in the law&#8221;</span> is, in summary, &#8220;Love God and everyone else.&#8221; However, the great culmination of Christ&#8217;s penultimate sermon (The Sermon on the Mount) is a powerful commandment <span style="bold;">outside</span> the law &#8211; a commandment that cannot be fulfilled simply by obedience to the law.  This foundational command is contained in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/5">Matthew 5:48</a>: &#8220;Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which art in Heaven is perfect.&#8221; <span id="more-598"></span></p>
<p>Ancient Judaism and much of historical Christianity has addressed this commandment in one of two ways:</p>
<p>1) by applying a legalistic meaning (&#8220;never make a mistake/commit a sin&#8221;) and, based on the impossibility of that definition alone, adding layers of insulation in laws and rules to regulate action;</p>
<p>2) turning it into a suggestion &#8211; something one cannot hope to achieve but a nice platitude regardless. (&#8220;Try not to make mistakes/sin, but realize it doesn&#8217;t really matter in the long run.&#8221;)</p>
<p>While this sounds fine &#8211; and even laudable &#8211; to most people, it totally destroys the power and beauty of the command itself. It is my conviction that someone simply cannot understand the atonement (and the full grace that makes &#8220;atonement&#8221; possible) if they accept and internalize this apostate definition of perfection.</p>
<p>The footnotes to Matthew 5:48 make a critical definition distinction &#8211; one that changes the entire meaning and empowers the command in an amazing way. Footnote (b), which is attached to the word &#8220;perfect&#8221;, defines it from the Greek thus: <strong>&#8220;complete, finished, fully developed.&#8221;</strong> This means that the verse can be read as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;Be ye therefore complete, finished, fully developed, even as your Father which art in heaven is complete, finished, fully developed.&#8221; <span style="bold;">What an amazing difference!</span></p>
<p>This definition changes fundamentally how our quest for perfection should be understood and approached &#8211; and, at the most basic level, lies at the heart of nearly every aspect of the atonement (grace, repentance, faith, works/fruits and, perhaps most importantly for many &#8211; especially women &#8211; guilt, shame and spiritual/emotional freedom). It makes repentance (change) a process of taking the naturally incomplete, unfinished, partially developed &#8220;fallen&#8221; (wo)man and becoming complete, finished, fully developed &#8211; <strong>NOT</strong> an effort to never make mistakes.</p>
<p>If you take nothing from this post but one message, take the fact that you do <strong><span style="bold;">NOT</span></strong> need to feel ashamed and guilty and overwhelmed by your &#8220;incomplete, unfinished, partially developed&#8221; state. It simply is the result of the Fall &#8211; the result of Adam&#8217;s transgression, if you will, for which we are told we will not be punished.  The world teaches that such a state is irreconcilable with God &#8211; that it creates a great chasm too wide to allow us ever to access God in His glory and &#8220;be perfect, even as He is perfect.&#8221; <strong>Matthew 5:48 says otherwise &#8211; that it can be done &#8211; and the practical way to do so is provided, as well. </strong>That practical process will be the main focus of a series I am calling &#8220;Foundations of Becoming&#8221;.</p>
<p>What implications does this definition of perfection have &#8211; both for Mormons and other Christians (and  those of other religions)?</p>
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		<title>Our Foundation Stories Part VI: The Laying on of Hands</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the last installment of Our Foundation Stories, I promise! As a child, I heard the story of the restoration of the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods this way: In May of 1829 Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were praying in the woods about baptism and had John the Baptist appear to them, put his hands on their heads, and recite the following, currently found in D &#38; C Section 13: Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah, I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins&#8230;&#8221; Some time later, Joseph and Oliver again were in the woods and John, James, and Peter appeared to them, put their hands on Joseph&#8217;s and Oliver&#8217;s heads, and restored the Melchizedek priesthood. Certain details were fuzzy here, but I got the gist. Joseph and Oliver were ordained like every other 12 year old boy I knew, even dressing up for the occasion, as Church art depicted. (Can you imagine an imageless Church manual? We would have to use our own imaginations!) I later majored in history at BYU, [...]]]></description>
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<p align="center"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-569" title="Restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/gatewaydll2.jpg" alt="" width="475" height="489" /></p>
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<p align="center">This is the last installment of Our Foundation Stories, I promise!</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://josephsmith.net/josephsmith/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=7a19b84d09042010VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD" target="_blank">As a child, I heard the story of the restoration of the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods this way</a>: In May of 1829 Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were praying in the woods about baptism and had John the Baptist appear to them, put his hands on their heads, and recite the following, currently found in D &amp; C Section 13: Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah, I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins&#8230;&#8221;<span id="more-566"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Some time later, Joseph and Oliver again were in the woods and John, James, and Peter appeared to them, put their hands on Joseph&#8217;s and Oliver&#8217;s heads, and restored the Melchizedek priesthood.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Certain details were fuzzy here, but I got the gist. Joseph and Oliver were ordained like every other 12 year old boy I knew, even dressing up for the occasion, as Church art depicted. (Can you imagine an imageless Church manual?  We would have to use our own imaginations!)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I later majored in history at BYU, where I learned to distinguish primary from secondary sources, and to assign relative weights of reliability to certain primary accounts over others based on many factors like whether the person writing was an eyewitness to the events described, length of time between the event and its recording, potential motives of the writers, etc.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">When I turned this rudimentary training on the sources describing the stories above, I found the records to be vague and contradictory, more so than in the case of Joseph&#8217;s different accounts of the First Vision.  This is partly because Joseph had a co-participant, Oliver Cowdery, who left his own account of these experiences, and that many other early Church members wrote as if they did not hear of these ordinations until 1834 or 1835.  Cowdery&#8217;s account is especially interesting, as he mentions only one occasion of priesthood bestowal, only one priesthood, only one angel visiting, and declines to name the angel as either John the Baptist or Peter, James, and John. (Note that the Church has added an &#8220;s&#8221; to &#8220;holy angel(s) in the link to the Oliver Cowdery account above to soften the ambiguity, under the guise of correcting &#8220;spelling, grammar, and punctuation&#8221;. Compare to the wording <a href="http://www.lds-mormon.com/mph.shtml">here</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Parley Pratt, John Corrill, Lyman Wight, and David Whitmer each leave accounts which make it appear that the Melchizedek or Higher Priesthood was first revealed to the church in a June 1831 conference, and was unknown before that time.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">So where did our contemporary story of two separate priesthood bestowals come from?  It appears that the line upon line development of church doctrine made clear after the organization of the church that two priesthoods, arranged hierarchically, were necessary for Church governance.  Revelations included in the <em>Book of Commandments</em> (later renamed <em>The Doctrine and Covenants</em>) were edited later to include references to both priesthood bestowals.  (Editing revelations was a common practice in the early years of the Church.)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">B.H. Roberts of the Seventy even attempted to fix a timespan for the second bestowal of the priesthood to the period between the May 15 first bestowal and the end of June 1829, based on some conjectures flowing from assumptions based on the edited revelations (e.g. Section 27).  This is likely where our sense of certitude on the subject comes from.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">My questions are these:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Since I, and probably many others, were raised in the Church with the very definite, specific chronology for two separate priesthood bestowals, and this appears (although La Mar Petersen, Bill Hartley, and Larry Porter have attempted to rescue the Roberts chronology) to be highly questionable given the testimony of the sources, what do we do with this story?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Does the restoration of priesthood/authority  need to have been a <em>literal laying on of hands</em> by resurrected beings in the same order in which 12 year old boys and 18 year old men experience it in the contemporary Church?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Does imagining that things happened this way make it easier for LDSaints to serve confidently in the Church, fulfilling their callings, learning to love God and their neighbor?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Could God have restored priesthood by an act of will, divine fiat?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Why do we rely on these stories as told and recounted in our <em>secondary</em> literature?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;You may say I&#8217;m a dreamer; but I&#8217;m not the only one.&#8221;  John Lennon. Acts 2:17:  &#8220;. . . your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.&#8221; The scriptures are full of visionary dreamers.  The following come to mind: OT:  Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Joseph (son of Jacob), Daniel, the butler &#38; baker of Pharaoh, Jacob/Israel, Abimelech, Solomon, Ezekiel, Balaam, Isaiah, Habakkuk, Abram/Abraham, Nathan, Ahijah, Iddo, Hezekiah, Job; plus some false prophets, too. NT:  The wise men, Joseph (stephfather of Jesus) a few times, Mrs. Pontius Pilate, Paul, Peter, James, John, Cornelius, Ananias, and many more.  BOM:  Lehi, Nephi, Omer, for starters. D&#38;C:  Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon, Oliver Cowdery, to name a few. POGP:  Moses, Abraham, Joseph Smith come to mind. I have found that many converts to the church have similar pre-conversion spiritual experiences (dreams, visions, intuition, etc.).  They seem to be the type of people who are attuned to those feelings and imbue them with personal meaning, whether they are in or out of the church. Some anti sites dismiss claims of spiritual feeling within the church as being similar to what one might experience watching a romantic movie or a particularly touching long distance commercial.  These comparisons [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>You may say I&#8217;m a dreamer; but I&#8217;m not the only one</em>.&#8221;  John Lennon.</p>
<p>Acts 2:17:  &#8220;. . . <em>your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams</em>.&#8221;</p>
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<p>The scriptures are full of visionary dreamers.  The following come to mind:<img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/glossary/images/slide_29_jacobs_ladder.jpg" alt="" width="140" height="122" /></p>
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<li><strong>OT</strong>:  Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Joseph (son of Jacob), Daniel, the butler &amp; baker of Pharaoh, Jacob/Israel, Abimelech, Solomon, Ezekiel, Balaam, Isaiah, Habakkuk, Abram/Abraham, Nathan, Ahijah, Iddo, Hezekiah, Job; plus some false prophets, too.</li>
<li><strong>NT</strong>:  The wise men, Joseph (stephfather of Jesus) a few times, Mrs. Pontius Pilate, Paul, Peter, James, John, Cornelius, Ananias, and many more. </li>
<li><strong>BOM</strong>:  Lehi, Nephi, Omer, for starters.</li>
<li><strong>D&amp;C</strong>:  Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon, Oliver Cowdery, to name a few.</li>
<li><strong>POGP</strong>:  Moses, Abraham, Joseph Smith come to mind.</li>
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<p>I have found that many converts to the church have similar pre-conversion spiritual experiences (dreams, visions, intuition, etc.).  They seem to be the type of people who are attuned to those feelings and imbue them with personal meaning, whether they are in or out of the church.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://entimg.msn.com/i/RomanticMoments/SayAnything_300x298.jpg" alt="" width="129" height="121" />Some anti sites dismiss claims of spiritual feeling within the church as being similar to what one might experience watching a romantic movie or a particularly touching long distance commercial.  These comparisons have nothing in common, IME, with an actual spiritual experience.  To me these dismissals sound a lot like Paul&#8217;s warning in Timothy 3:5 that in the last days people will have &#8220;a form of godliness but <em>denying the power thereof</em>.&#8221;  In our day, it&#8217;s much more common to dismiss spiritual experiences as hypersensitivity, superstition, PMS or emotional instability (was that redundant?).</p>
<p><span class="searchword">So, if God speaks to people through dreams and visions, how can we derive meaning from our dream life?  There are several key obstacles:</span></p>
<ul>
<li><span class="searchword">Remembering dreams is often difficult.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword">We work out problems in our sleep, so the source of inspiration is often our own subconscious vs. divine intervention.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword">Dream language and meaning differs from waking life and is often more symbolic with parallel meanings about one&#8217;s emotional life.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword">It&#8217;s personal and may not have significance for anyone but ourselves.</span></li>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span class="searchword"><a href="http://d.yimg.com/origin1.lifestyles.yahoo.com/ls/he/topic/sleep/sleep02.jpg" target="_top"><img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:SMEJUyCFlrb2oM:http://d.yimg.com/origin1.lifestyles.yahoo.com/ls/he/topic/sleep/sleep02.jpg" alt="" width="105" height="86" /></a></span><span class="searchword">But here are a few terms that are helpful to understanding dreams (there are many sites on dream interpretation, but IMO only <em>you</em> can truly understand the significance of a dream you have had; it&#8217;s happening in your head after all):</span></p>
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<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Recurring dreams</strong>.  There are certain themes that are common to many people that can help you understand your stresses and feelings and work through them:</span>
<ul>
<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Physical constraints</strong> &#8211; walking uphill and the hill gets steeper and steeper until you are going to fall over backwards, trying to crawl through a space that&#8217;s too tight, being too tired to move at a normal speed.  These generally deal with the stress of being exhausted or overwhelmed.  Time to get a massage.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Path in life</strong> &#8211; inability to reach a desired destination, being in a car that can only drive backwards, being driven by someone else, the road beneath you disappearing or being difficult to navigate.  These generally deal with frustration at achieving one&#8217;s goals in life or the direction one&#8217;s life is heading.  Time to get back on track.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Tested</strong> &#8211; sitting for a test without being prepared, returning to one&#8217;s earlier school days and not knowing where to go, forgetting one&#8217;s locker combination.  These generally deal with the stress of being found inadequate.  Time to get over it.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Exposure</strong> - needing to go to the bathroom but not finding a suitable location, being naked in front of people, losing something you consider essential (like your teeth).  These generally deal with stress about loss of composure or how others view you.  Or maybe you should be sure to brush your teeth and go to the bathroom before bed.  Just a thought.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Discovery -</strong> inheriting a house or property that you find is much larger or grander than expected, finding lost treasure or something of sentimental value, etc.  These dreams relate to personal growth:  discovering a gift or quality within yourself.  These are my favorites!</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Danger</strong> &#8211; being attacked by a vicious person or animal, being lost in a place that fills you with fear, trying to protect a child or animal from danger.  These can relate to fear and anger within us.  Time to chill-ax (as my 13-year old would say).</span></li>
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<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Emotional parallels</strong>.  Most dreams, recurring or not, can be understood if you listen to them for parallels to emotional life.  People usually represent facets of your own personality, sometimes archetypes, and occasionally those people themselves.  Ask yourself:  what is the significance of this person to me?  How am I like this person?  How do I feel about this person?</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Lucid dreaming</strong>.  A lucid dream is when you realize you are dreaming while you are in the dream.  Sounds a lot like a vision to me, although most lucid dreams quickly become silly.  There are a few easy ways to tell you are dreaming:  look at an analog watch or clock (you can&#8217;t make it work right in a dream), try to read a book (the words will either swim on the page or the pages will be blank, flying (remembering, oh yeah, I can fly), or a really easy one is to just take off your clothes (that almost never happens in real life, but somehow passes without comment in dreams).  Some people like to go crazy with this stuff and live a whole different life in dream-landia, free of the restraints of superego.  To them I say:  don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword"><strong>Sleep paralysis</strong> &#8211; this is when you become aware that you are sleeping, but you are so deeply asleep that you can&#8217;t move.  You may imagine you are lying in your bed and someone is in the house, but you can&#8217;t move.  I sometimes imagine that a cat just walked on the piano keys downstairs (which is weird since we don&#8217;t have a cat).  Theories exist that this is the basis for alien abduction experiences (vs. actual alien abduction) or the basis for medieval demon encounters.  It just reminds me that I&#8217;m glad we don&#8217;t have an actual cat.</span></li>
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<p><span class="searchword">So, are dreams the same as visions?  When do dreams have religious significance?  Some pre-conversion dreams I have heard of over the years:</span></p>
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<li><span class="searchword">I went to a minister who said he had my name in his book, but it wasn&#8217;t there.  I knew it wasn&#8217;t true, even though he was insistent.</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword">I was walking through a wasteland and then I found something of great value (a treasure, something I lost, a tree with fruit).  (even JS Sr. had this one)</span></li>
<li><span class="searchword">I met a dead relative who told me something important was going to happen to me soon.</span></li>
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<p><span class="searchword">So, are converts more susceptible to spiritual dreams and/or visions?  Are all members of the church?  Does this extend to other spiritual gifts?  Have you heard of these types of experiences?  Are they common or rare?  Are they hereditary gifts or are they skills one can develop?  A<span class="searchword">re dreams the same thing as visions?  Do the same rules apply?  And is it inspiration or just head games for one?  Discuss.</span></span></p>
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		<title>Our Foundation Stories Part IV: The Book of Mormon Translation</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was the Book of Mormon translated? Was the Book of Mormon revealed? Was it inspired? Was it all three, or a combination of the above? How much does it matter? The accounts left by Joseph and others involved suggest that the translation of the Book of Mormon was conducted, with a few variations, largely in this manner: Joseph and the scribe sequestered in a room, with a sheet or curtain drawn up to shield them from the casual view of others in the house. The plates wrapped in a cloth on the scribe&#8217;s table, with the scribe writing down what Joseph dictates. Joseph himself at least periodically buries his face in a hat to peer intently at his seerstone, in which he sees words, whether one at a time, or in clusters is unclear. Joseph also feels free enough with his work to correct spelling, grammar, punctuation, and word choice, both immediately and after the Book of Mormon was published. In later productions, like the Books of Abraham, Moses, and the revision of the Bible, there was apparently even less physicality to the process. Other than the Egyptian papyri purchased from Michael Chandler, there appeared to be no seerstone or [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Was the Book of Mormon translated? Was the Book of Mormon revealed? Was it inspired? Was it all three, or a combination of the above? How much does it matter?<span id="more-528"></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">The accounts left by Joseph and others involved suggest that the translation of the Book of Mormon was conducted, with a few variations, largely in this manner: Joseph and the scribe sequestered in a room, with a sheet or curtain drawn up to shield them from the casual view of others in the house. The plates wrapped in a cloth on the scribe&#8217;s table, with the scribe writing down what Joseph dictates. Joseph himself at least periodically buries his face in a hat to peer intently at his seerstone, in which he sees words, whether one at a time, or in clusters is unclear. Joseph also feels free enough with his work to correct spelling, grammar, punctuation, and word choice, both immediately and after the Book of Mormon was published.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">In later productions, like the Books of Abraham, Moses, and the revision of the Bible, there was apparently even less physicality to the process. Other than the Egyptian papyri purchased from Michael Chandler, there appeared to be no seerstone or other mechanical device used in the writing of these books. They were received much as most of the sections of the D&amp;C (with the obvious seerstone section aside) were, by inspiration.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Given the above, what does it say about Joseph Smith that he began his prophetic translations with physical objects and moved away from them later on? That he &#8220;graduated&#8221; in a spiritual sense? Were the physical objects necessary prompts to revelatory experience?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Why would Moroni bother with giving Joseph physical objects like the plates which were apparently so cumbersome and the desire of his neighbors when God could simply reveal the contents of the book to Joseph? And why would Moroni take them back again? Were the plates themselves like the &#8220;slippery&#8221; treasures spoken of in the text of the Book of Mormon itself, a thing of great worth which is impossible to control?</p>
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