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		<title>If They Tarry&#8230;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[D&#38;C 137 records a vision of Joseph Smith “in the temple at Kirtland, Ohio, January 21, 1836. HC 2: 380–381. The occasion was the administration of the ordinances of the endowment as far as they had then been revealed.” [Preface].  There are 2 important pieces of Mormon doctrine to consider here:  (1) baptism for the dead, and (2) children that die before the age of accountability (and baptism at age 8 ) will inherit the Celestial Kingdom.  Since it is a short section, let me quote it entirely.  This section is only in the LDS version of the D&#38;C, but other accounts of this revelation can be found in the History of the Church. 1 THE heavens were opened upon us, and I beheld the celestial kingdom of God, and the glory thereof, whether in the body or out I cannot tell. 2 I saw the transcendent beauty of the gate through which the heirs of that kingdom will enter, which was like unto circling flames of fire; 3 Also the blazing throne of God, whereon was seated the Father and the Son. 4 I saw the beautiful streets of that kingdom, which had the appearance of being paved with gold. 5 [...]]]></description>
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<p>D&amp;C 137 records a vision of Joseph Smith “in the temple at Kirtland, Ohio, January 21, 1836. HC 2: 380–381. The occasion was the administration of the ordinances of the endowment as far as they had then been revealed.” [Preface].  There are 2 important pieces of Mormon doctrine to consider here:  (1) baptism for the dead, and (2) children that die before the age of accountability (and baptism at age 8 ) will inherit the Celestial Kingdom.  Since it is a short section, let me quote it entirely.  This section is only in the LDS version of the D&amp;C, but other accounts of this revelation can be found in the History of the Church.<img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-12537"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>1 THE heavens were opened upon us, and I beheld the celestial kingdom of God, and the glory thereof, whether in the body or out I cannot tell.</p>
<p>2 I saw the transcendent beauty of the gate through which the heirs of that kingdom will enter, which was like unto circling flames of fire;</p>
<p>3 Also the blazing throne of God, whereon was seated the Father and the Son.</p>
<p>4 I saw the beautiful streets of that kingdom, which had the appearance of being paved with gold.</p>
<p>5 I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept;</p>
<p>6 And marveled how it was that he had obtained an inheritance in that kingdom, seeing that he had departed this life before the Lord had set his hand to gather Israel the second time, and had not been baptized for the remission of sins.</p>
<p>7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;</p>
<p>8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;</p>
<p>9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.</p>
<p>10 And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since God is the ultimate judge, and “who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God “, the LDS baptize all and let God be the judge.  (I previously discussed <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/04/baptism-for-the-dead-so-what/">baptism for the dead from a non-LDS Irish writer</a>.)</p>
<p>So, this phrase “if they had been permitted to tarry”, got me thinking.  Following my mission, another guy about my age returned home.  I believe he got home on a Thursday and was slated to give his homecoming address on Sunday.  (I’ll call him Ted.)  He went out with some friends on Friday or Saturday night, and was involved in a serious car accident.  Sitting in the back seat, his car was t-boned at an intersection.  The woman sitting next to him was killed, and he received some fairly serious injuries, resulting in a delay of his homecoming address for about a month (which he gave standing on crutches.)</p>
<p>While it is probably a bit morbid to think about, a few people speculated that if he had been killed the day after his mission ended, he was probably very righteous and would have gone straight to the Celestial Kingdom.  After all, he was probably living more righteously at that point in his life than at any other time.</p>
<p>Ted went on to college on the east coast (I stayed in the west), he majored in art, I majored in math, and our paths really never crossed much.  I ran into his parents a few times, and they told me about his art exhibits, but neither one of us really made much of an effort to maintain contact.  Enter Facebook.  I noticed that he was friends with some of my friends, so I thought I would “friend” him and see what he was up to.  To my surprise, he had posted his letter of resignation from the LDS church.  There were many messages congratulating him for his courageous decision.</p>
<p>So, it got me thinking, what happens to those that perhaps died on a mission or similar circumstance, but “if they had been permitted to tarry”, they might have become wicked.  (I’m not saying Ted is wicked—I’m not the judge, but just saying, “what if”?)  Can we really be so certain of anyone’s final judgment?</p>
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		<title>Where Have All the Revelations Gone?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lesson 17 of the Gospel Principles manual in use today for Priesthood and Relief Society is entitled “The Church of Jesus Christ Today.”  Under the heading, “New Revelation from God” is this quote: “…Since that time [the First Vision] the heavens have not been closed. Revelation continues to this day through each of His chosen prophets. Joseph was to be the one to help restore the true gospel of Jesus Christ.” I do believe and accept the Church is receiving inspired counsel from on high. Not just the President, but at all levels down to families and individuals. However, it got me thinking, “where have all the revelations gone.” In the early days of the Church (between 1823 and 1843), about 130 Sections of the Doctrine &#38; Covenants were given to Joseph Smith as revelations from the Lord. After that time, only 4 more have been added as canonized revelations.  The Prophet Joseph received significantly more revelations that have not been officially canonized and appear in various places. On the other hand, the RLDS Church (now the Community of Christ) has continually added to their Doctrine and Covenants since it was organized in 1860 and has 164 Sections. I know [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lesson 17 of the Gospel Principles manual in use today for Priesthood and Relief Society is entitled “The Church of Jesus Christ Today.”  Under the heading, “New Revelation from God” is this quote:</p>
<p>“…Since that time [the First Vision] the heavens have not been closed. Revelation continues to this day through each of His chosen prophets. Joseph was to be the one to help restore the true gospel of Jesus Christ.”</p>
<p>I do believe and accept the Church is receiving inspired counsel from on high. Not just the President, but at all levels down to families and individuals. However, it got me thinking, “where have all the revelations gone.”</p>
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<p>In the early days of the Church (between 1823 and 1843), about 130 Sections of the Doctrine &amp; Covenants were given to Joseph Smith as revelations from the Lord. After that time, only 4 more have been added as canonized revelations.  The Prophet Joseph received significantly more revelations that have not been officially canonized and appear in various places.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the RLDS Church (now the Community of Christ) has continually added to their Doctrine and Covenants since it was organized in 1860 and has 164 Sections. I know that there are others in the works as well.</p>
<p>That is not to say there is not revelation given to the President and Prophet of the LDS Church. I can point to a few examples I believe were revealed to the President of the Church by the Lord. For example, the plan to design and build small Temples put in place by President Hinckley, the creation of the Perpetual Education Fund, the move to the block meeting schedule, the major changes in the Temple ceremony in 1990, etc. I think these were the result of revelation from the Lord.</p>
<p>But, I wonder sometimes why we do not have further sections added to the D&amp;C as canonized scripture or that some of these changes are not brought before the membership of the Church for their common consent.</p>
<p>So, just what might constitute additions to the Doctrine and Covenants which would be voted on by the Church membership?</p>
<p>Some have suggested the “The Family: A Proclamation to the World” might be a candidate. I always thought President Ezra Taft Benson’s talk “Beware of Pride” might be considered. I even formatted it on my computer as a page of scripture to see what it might look like.</p>
<p>So what would get your vote?  Or do you have an explanation why we do not have more canonized revelations since we are supposed to have a living canon and we have a living prophet?</p>
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		<title>Strangite Q&amp;A</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I mentioned previously, I really enjoyed the Strangite session of the Mormon History Association meetings a few weeks ago.  Vickie Speek, John Hamer, and Mike Karpowicz gave some fascinating presentations on this little known group.  Following the session, they answered additional questions, and I thought it would be interesting to provide a transcript of the Q&#38;A session.  But before I get into the transcript, I should tell you a brief history of the Strangite Church. James Strang, prophet of the Strangite Church James Strang was baptized into the church just a few months before Joseph Smith was killed in 1844.  He said he had a letter from Joseph proclaiming that Strang was to lead the church.  The letter is currently owned by Yale University; in the past few decades, they have declared Joseph Smith&#8217;s signature on the letter a forgery. Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader.  His church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size.  They had some well known converts too:  Martin Harris, William Smith (Joseph&#8217;s brother), William Cowdery (Oliver&#8217;s father), William Marks (stake president in Nauvoo), William [...]]]></description>
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<p>As <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/30/day-3-at-mha/">I mentioned previously</a>, I really enjoyed the Strangite session of the Mormon History Association meetings a few weeks ago.  Vickie Speek, John Hamer, and Mike Karpowicz gave some fascinating presentations on this little known group.  Following the session, they answered additional questions, and I thought it would be interesting to provide a transcript of the Q&amp;A session.  But before I get into the transcript, I should tell you a brief history of the Strangite Church.</p>
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<p><span id="more-12051"></span>James Strang was baptized into the church just a few months before Joseph Smith was killed in 1844.  He said he had a letter from Joseph proclaiming that Strang was to lead the church.  The letter is currently owned by Yale University; in the past few decades, they have declared Joseph Smith&#8217;s signature on the letter a forgery.</p>
<p>Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader.  <img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />His church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size.  They had some well known converts too:  Martin Harris, William Smith (Joseph&#8217;s brother), William Cowdery (Oliver&#8217;s father), William Marks (stake president in Nauvoo), William McLellin (former apostle), Hiram Page, and some of the Whitmer brothers.</p>
<p>Strang claimed an angel visited him, appointing him as prophet.  As part of his calling, he translated the Brass Plates into a book of scripture called &#8220;The Book of the Law of the Lord&#8221; written by Moses, and in Laban&#8217;s possession.  Originally against polygamy, Strang translated the book (first published in 1851), which said polygamy was a godly commandment.</p>
<p>Strang originally moved his followers to Voree, Wisconsin, and then received another revelation to move to Beaver Island, Michigan.  He crowned himself king, and was assassinated there by disgruntled followers.  The Strangites still exist today.  The have a few hundred members in Kansas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wisconsin.  <a href="http://strangite.org/" target="_blank">Here is a website from a Strangite follower</a>.  (It contains an online version of the Book of the Law of the Lord.)  John Hamer says the <a href="http://www.churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaintsstrangite.com/" target="_blank">official website for the church is found here</a>.</p>
<p>Independent historian Vickie Speek, John Hamer &amp; Mike Karpowicz of <a href="http://johnwhitmerbooks.com/">John Whitmer Books</a>, and Bill Russell of <a href="http://graceland.edu" target="_blank">Graceland University</a> (the CoC version of BYU) answered a few questions following their presentation on the past 160 years of Strangite history.</p>
<blockquote><p>Newell Bringhurst, “I found it very enlightening too, but the one area I wanted to hear a little bit more about was the core teachings, the liturgy.  Did you get a sense, particularly John and Mike?  [Vickie] You went into the Law of the Lord in your paper and those tenets and teachings, but what core teachings were perpetuated to the make things that give them an identity as far as their Mormonism or moving beyond or in a different direction in terms of their Mormon teachings that we would identify with as Mormons, from a Latter-Day Saint tradition?”</p>
<p>John Hamer, “I identified in my paper that there is a remarkable continuity.  When we first looked into this, we weren’t sure how this church that had been on Beaver Island and in Wisconsin, how did it end up being in New Mexico?  So we wondered, ‘is this a Neo-Strangite Church?  Is this a bunch of people who got converted and started calling themselves Strangites that don’t have any actual continuity?’  But we found in the course of looking through the records&#8211;we had incredible access to all the church’s records, we interviewed a dozen of the oldest members of the church, the branch records going all the way back to the 19th century are all kept in the vaults and all maintained—there is a remarkable continuity of practice and teaching that occurs because these Beaver Island members taught this new generation.  The practices remain and all sorts of things remain.</p>
<p>Some of the things we mentioned were sealing—sealing continues to be done, so that is unusual for Midwestern Mormons for example.  Most of the other branches other than the Cutlerites don’t do that.  You don’t have that in the Community of Christ.  It’s not in the Hedrickites.  They’re sealed for time and all eternity.  This idea of adopting into a noble and a princely household, these kingdom powers—that was being done all the way up through the [19]60’s, especially members of the Flanders clan were sealed, adopting into this Ketchum household that they were intermarried with in the 19th century, but essentially had forgotten that they were inter-married with.  This was more or less forgotten.  Some of this history has been recovered from the records, this connection between Joseph Ketchum and Granny Flanders.  Remember that Granny Flanders was this matriarch who had done this.</p>
<p>I would just say there are an incredible number of practices, there are all kinds of Strangite practices.  The Book of the Law of the Lord is integral as scripture.  It is read.  The Voree Branch are 7th day Sabbath-tarians—that’s Strangite practice.  The Laws of Sacrifice so they would sacrifice first fruits so again a lot of Strangite practice, because they had a second prophet, there’s all sorts of things that they have that other branches don’t have.  So I think the continuity is actually remarkable and the amount of practice and preservation is remarkable.  There are just a few things that fall out, because they don’t have the top priesthood offices.  So some things they don’t feel are valid to do.  One of those is plural marriages for example, they’re not done.</p>
<p>Vickie Speek, “There’s something we didn’t mention is the fact that according to Strangite belief, the lesser cannot ordain the higher. So they’ve lost their prophet, they’ve lost their priesthood, because only God can make a prophet.  Man can’t.  Man can’t make another prophet, so when James Strang died, the prophet died.</p>
<p>John Hamer, “It’s simply invalid for a teacher to ordain a priest.  Likewise, you cannot have an apostle ordain a prophet.  So that’s why Joseph [Smith] III’s ordination is invalid.  William Marks, as great of priesthood or whatever as he had is not a prophet, he cannot ordain a prophet.  Likewise Brigham Young, the other apostles that ordain him—that’s simply invalid in Strangite view, because the lesser cannot ordain the greater.</p>
<p>Newell Bringhurst, “So then the highest priesthood office then is a high priest, is that correct?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yes, High Priest.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “Since prophets die, and  Joseph was killed, then how are you going to have a successor to Joseph?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Angelic ordination.”</p>
<p>??? “Just the way Strang was ordained.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “James Strang could have, under the direction of God, laid his hands and ordained somebody before he passed, but he did not.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hts.gatech.edu/faculty/foster-lawrence.php" target="_blank">Larry Foster</a>, “I also commend the excellent papers.  I had a couple questions more to Vickie, and maybe I missed part of it, or maybe it was answered elsewhere.  On the Book of the Law of the Lord, that’s an extremely impressive book I think.  I looked at it, but the 1856 edition is much bigger than the original book which is only about 50 pages?  A lot of the best stuff in the 1856 edition is these extended explanatory notes, I don’t know if polygamy is in the original text of the edition, or is it part of that explanatory notes stuff that extends the length of the book so much?</p>
<p>The other question I had was an inevitable question about Strang—what does one make of him?  He didn’t ordain a successor even though he was alive for several weeks after he was shot fatally.  Going back, how does polygamy get in there?  How about John C. Bennett?  It seems like John C. Bennett is right there at the heart of Nauvoo polygamy and Strangite polygamy and it seems like he was equally destructive in both contexts.  [audience chuckles]</p>
<p>I also wondered, I read one of Strang’s articles.  Golly, he could sure write.  He almost convinced me that polygamy was a great thing to liberate women.  [audience chuckles]  It gives them all kinds of choices they don’t have and they’re not stuck with a bunch of dodos.  It would appear, and I’ve been criticized by one of the Strangites for saying this, that certainly his letter of appointment was a forgery, that it seems to reflect his own diary.  It is block printed, the name has no relationship to Joseph Smith.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “We talked about his appointment at the beginning.”</p>
<p>Foster, “Oh you did.  There’s a pretty clear cut case of forgery, or maybe did you find some other approach?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “The way that I have looked at it.  When I wrote my book about the Strangites, I approached it basically as a newspaper reporter.  I was not going to take a position either way, I was just going to tell the story.  Because to me, it doesn’t matter to me what my opinion of James Strang was, but I was doing the story of the people who believed him, so that’s the way I wrote my book, and that’s the way I still basically look at it.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for the people who followed James Strang, and the Strangites of today, because their [road] is not the main road.  Theirs has been a very hard, hard road with a lot of heartache.</p>
<p>Now I would like to make one comment.  As far as I know, there is only a few copies of the 1851 Book of the Law, and there is somebody here who is familiar with the 1851 Book of the Law, and I’d like to ask him if there is polygamy in it?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Yeah, there is.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “It’s basically the same thing?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “It’s in the main text, right?  In other words, it just lacks the commentary, so it has the text, it just doesn’t explain it, right?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Are you guys asking me?”  [audience chuckles]  “Yeah, I have an 1851 Book of the Law and it’s an 80 page preliminary version.  It was published as a pamphlet with colored, printed wrappers on it.  It doesn’t have the explanatory notes.  It has 95% of the sections.  He continued to translate some additional sections.  There are some interesting differences.  For example, the first edition doesn’t have a chapter on baptism for the dead, and Strang includes his earlier 1849 revelation on baptism for the dead instead, and then has a footnote that says baptism for the dead evidently didn’t exist in the Old Testament.  Later he translates a chapter after on baptism from this Mosaic period, allegedly Mosaic period record.  So his own views changed.  But on polygamy he didn’t change.  The laws on the number of wives a king could have and things like that are all in that first edition.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “That 1851 edition does have that you say?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Right.</p>
<p>Mike, “Bill, is my assumption correct that with the assassination of Strang, that the tensions between the Strangites and the state and federal government kind of dissipated at that point.  It is interesting to me that whereas the army had a relationship with the Utah church for quite a while, Strang was shot virtually under the guns of the USS Michigan, a naval vessel on the Great Lakes.  I don’t know what the reports that were filed by the state of Michagan were, and how they were considered when they got back to Washington to the Navy Department in the Pierce administration, but were the tensions with the state governments of in Michigan and Wisconsin and federal government dissipated after the assassination?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yeah, because they also got expelled.  They picked up all the members.  They spoiled them of all their property.  They put them on rented boats and they dropped them off all along the coast line destitute in little tiny groups.  So it was the worst kind of persecution results than any other Mormons faced.”</p>
<p>Mike, “Did the navy play a part in that or was it all surveyance from Mackinaw City?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “There is no positive evidence.  However, you take all the circumstantial evidence together, and I say yes.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Not in the dropping off of the people.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Not in the dropping off of people, no.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “But like Mike said, the warship is there in the murder.”</p>
<p>Mike, “Does the USS Michigan ferry people from Mackinaw City to St. James as part of the mob?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yes.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “As part of the Mob?”</p>
<p>Mike, “Yes”</p>
<p>Vickie, “I don’t believe it was the Michigan.  There were 2 ships in Michigan.  There was a steamer and there was a warship.”</p>
<p>Mike, “I’m asking about the USS Michigan, the warship.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “I don’t know.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Right, The warship left the dock though.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Right, it left the dock when Strang was murdered and the murderers jumped on the ship and then left.”</p>
<p>Mike, “2 guys jumped on the ship.”</p>
<p>Vickie and Hamer, “Right.”</p>
<p>Mike, “They left on the USS Michigan?”</p>
<p>Vickie and Hamer, “Yes”.</p>
<p>Mike, “It’s an interesting parallel with the 2 churches: one with the army involved, and the other with the navy.” [audience chuckles]</p>
<p>Vickie, “I think the conflict was gone, because the Strangites were gone, they were scattered.”</p>
<p>Mike, “and the polygamy issue kind of faded away, then?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Right.”</p>
<p>William Russell, “Here’s a question right here, and then our time is expired so maybe this should be our last one.”</p>
<p>Woman, “Why did they kill James Strang?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “That’s a good question.  Basically, people had become disillusioned with Strang.  Strang was caught trying to follow the Book of the Law and one of the tenets of the church is no alcohol, and basically the Strangites didn’t allow alcohol and they did not support the sale of alcohol to the Native Americans and there was a lot of conflict with the gentiles, and so forth who wanted to sell alcohol.  Strangites became thirsty and they left the fold for other reasons, and those are the ones that basically were in the conspiracy to kill Strang.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “That’s one of them.  That’s on ongoing conflict.  Whenever Mormons gather together in big numbers and took political control and things like that, they would have conflict with their neighbors.  There are all kinds of problems that result from that including the 2 groups don’t trust each other, they don’t feel they can get justice from each other.  The other Americans see Mormons gathering under one prophet as being un-American.  There’s a lot of tendency to go and kill that prophet.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “One other thing though, he did serve 1 term in the Michigan legislature.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Two terms.”</p>
<p>Russell, “Well 2 years I think is all.  But anyway, he was considered very effective according to the Detroit Free Press.  It’s interesting that a prophet and king could be elected to the Michigan legislature and get along well.” [audience chuckles]  He was also a member of the farms.  Well thank you very much, this was an excellent session.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Like I said, it was a fascinating question.  I&#8217;ve invited John Hamer and a few others to entertain questions if you have any.  Do you have any questions for them?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha Helfer Parker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently I&#8217;ve been in contact with a girl by means of the internet. We haven&#8217;t met but plan to soon. I like her a lot. She has told me she loves me and wants to start a family with me. She isn&#8217;t a member of the church but said she is willing to join it if it means being with me.  I find her attractive, yes -but there are other factors as well. She is from a mixed race (half African, half White American). I know love can put aside all differences but at the same time this would cause stress on both of us. Not only culturally but children, my family (she has no family really), etc. Some of my family members are a little less open to other races as I am. I know family is something that can be dealt with but my family is very close. I was just wondering if there was some way to overcome this issue? I have openly told her about my feelings on these subjects and she doesn&#8217;t care. She is willing to wait for me to overcome my issues. I plan to go forward with our relationship and see how [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Recently I&#8217;ve been in contact with a girl by means of the internet. We haven&#8217;t met but plan to soon. I like her a lot. She has told me she loves me and wants to start a family with me.<br />
She isn&#8217;t a member of the church but said she is willing to join it if it means being with me.  I find her attractive, yes -but there are other factors as well.<br />
She is from a mixed race (half African, half White American). I know love can put aside all differences but at the same time this would cause stress on both of us. Not only culturally but children, my family (she has no family really), etc. Some of my family members are a little less open to other races as I am. I know family is something that can be dealt with but my family is very close. I was just wondering if there was some way to overcome this issue?<br />
I have openly told her about my feelings on these subjects and she doesn&#8217;t care. She is willing to wait for me to overcome my issues. I plan to go forward with our relationship and see how well we get along once we have met in person. I look forward to it.<br />
I have prayed concerning this and have felt good about it. I just still am struggling to overcome some of my anxiety over the subject. Am I wrong to worry about such things? Am I over thinking this?  Any advice would be appreciated. </em></p>
<p><span id="more-11940"></span>Finding love through the Internet is a new mating process that is increasing in popularity and has been for the past 10-20 years. As with any new process, we struggle to figure out its implications and &#8220;rules&#8221; of behavior as we embark on unchartered territory. One of the positives of the Internet is the decrease of geographical and cultural boundaries. This has a great impact on the &#8220;pool&#8221; available to those who are dating.  Our world today is much more global, as is our church, and people are meeting, falling in love or beginning friendships with those not of their culture, race or even religious faith at a much grander scale than ever before. There are many wonderful things about this &#8211; the main one being increased tolerance for others different from ourselves.<br />
However, as with anything, there are challenges that couples in interracial, intercultural, or interfaith relationships should be aware of as they make the decision to make a life together:</p>
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<li> Unfortunately there still remain many stereotypes or &#8220;attitudes&#8221; towards mixed race relationships &#8211; this can depend greatly on the geographical area you live in. The best way to deal with this issue is to see it as ignorance and un-Christlike behavior. It may take patience at times, the willingness to not be overly sensitive and the willingness to be a voice, example and educator to those around you. Be clear with friends and family members that if they want to enjoy the benefits of a relationship with you and your wife (if you were to get married), that any type of racism/bigotry will be addressed and not tolerated. Because of deep seeded beliefs/cultural bias, some people may not even be aware that their behavior is racist. That is why I encourage open communication before writing people off.</li>
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<li> With different cultures and faiths there usually come different traditions, parenting styles, conflict/problem-resolution styles and even romance styles. As with any relationship, communication will be a key element for success.</li>
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<li> It will be of great importance once children are born, to engender in them a sense of pride for all aspects of their ancestry and subsequent personhood (i.e. color of skin, cultural tradition and history, etc.). Sometimes within the same family, children may have different color shades of skin tone. Communication and normalizing of the family situation will be important in engendering strong self-esteem and a strong sense of family unity. It is also important to educate them on what they can expect from the outside world so that they are prepared to deal with insults or other ignorant behavior.</li>
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<p>Here are some thoughts in regards to your specific situation:</p>
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<li> It is normal to worry and &#8220;over think&#8221; when making the important decision as to your lifelong companion. In fact, it is good to be as objective as possible and be realistic about the pros and cons of the relationship. This is usually a difficult thing to do when we are &#8220;in love.&#8221; However, the more you discuss potential strengths and weaknesses as a couple, the more insight you will both receive as to your problem-solving styles, your compatibility, your attraction, your goals/dreams, etc. These are important things to be addressing during the dating process.</li>
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<li> I encourage you to take the relationship to the next level &#8211; that of meeting as you mention &#8211; and see how you feel about each other once you are able to spend more time with one another. There is no need to hurry or rush into any decision.</li>
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<li> Just because your love interest has &#8220;received an answer&#8221; and feels that you should marry, does not necessarily mean that this is your answer. It will be important for you to receive your own impressions and personal revelation regarding the decision as to whom you will marry.</li>
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<li> I would discourage any conversion process that is based solely on the desire to marry. Many not of our faith don&#8217;t always understand the commitment needed to legitimately become a convert.  Conversion into our religion takes doctrinal belief and personal commitment that this woman may not be completely aware of. I would hope also that from your perspective, it would be more important for her to convert sincerely if that is what she chooses at some point, than to just want her to convert due to family and/or LDS social pressure. Conversion should be a deeply personal, spiritual and largely individual journey with God.</li>
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<li> It is better to be aware of and recognize any cultural or racist biases you may have and be honest with yourself about them. In the desire many of us have not to be racist, we inadvertently hide uncomfortable feelings or thoughts (even from ourselves). To be able to overcome such thought processes we first need to identify them and how we want to progress. Asking ourselves the following questions may be helpful: Where do my biases come from? What lenses am I looking through (i.e. my parents?, my culture?, my education?) Are any of my biases based on evidence? Are they based on fear? Are they based on gospel teaching? How did Jesus Christ feel about and treat those of a different culture during His ministry? What can I learn from Him? How do my biases limit me? How do they protect me? Do I want this type of protection? How do I want to approach people of a different race, culture or faith? How do I want these same people to approach me?</li>
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<p>With all this being said, I want to be clear that whether or not we marry within the same race, religion or culture &#8211; the fact remains that the two families from which two individuals come from are, in of themselves, two different cultures. We take a lot for granted when marrying within &#8220;sameness&#8221; that many times does not meet expectations. People assume certain things because of the labels we engender. Then come to find out, assumptions are not realities. It is important regardless of who we marry to be aware of the &#8220;culture&#8221; our spouse comes from, the &#8220;culture&#8221; we come from and how we are to integrate the strengths and weaknesses we bring to the table to in turn create a new found culture within the bounds of our new family and home.</p>
<p>MM readers:<br />
What are your thoughts and feelings about interracial marriage?<br />
What are your thoughts and feelings about marrying outside of our faith?</p>
<p><em>Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and  Family      Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of  experience    working   with LDS members. Here she shares with us  representative    cases from  her  practice and insights she has gained  from her work as a    therapist.   She  blogs at <a href="http://mormontherapist.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">mormontherapist.blogspot.com</a>.</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Headline in the Independence Examiner for Thursday, April 15, 2010: &#8220;Delegation Takes No Action on Human Sexuality Issues: Church Will Continue Dialogue.&#8221; Headline  by John Hamer on BCC on Thursday, April 15, 2010: &#8220;Gay Rights Revelation Added to The Community of Christ D&#38;C&#8221; &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- The two headlines above generally cover the spectrum of opinion about what happened at the Community of Christ World Conference as it completed the process of canonization of a new Section 164 for its D&#38;C. The spectrum of opinions about whether what happened was a good thing or bad thing, of course, runs even more broadly. Indeed, I’m not at all certain that we’ll even be able to see how intense the various “colors” of that spectrum will prove until information about the conference filters down to the bulk of the North American church that maintains no real connection to the World Church in the &#8220;Blogitorium&#8221;. As in many churches on the Christian left in North America, that membership tends to be somewhat more traditionalist than its leadership. Nevertheless, I’ll give my view as someone from one part of the peanut gallery, focusing on what was in each portion of Section 164 and the effects of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headline in the <em>Independence</em><em> Examiner </em>for Thursday, April 15, 2010:</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;Delegation Takes No Action on Human Sexuality Issues: Church Will Continue Dialogue.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p>Headline  <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/04/15/gay-rights-revelation-added-to-dc-world-conference-part-2-april-12%e2%80%9315/">by John Hamer on BCC </a> on Thursday, April 15, 2010:</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;Gay Rights Revelation Added to The Community of Christ D&amp;C&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</em></strong></p>
<p>The two headlines above generally cover the spectrum of opinion about what happened at the Community of Christ World Conference as it completed the <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/05/canonizing-modern-revelation-a-tourist-guide/"> process of canonization</a> of a <a href="http://cofchrist.org/dc164/"> new Section 164</a> for its D&amp;C. The spectrum of opinions about whether what happened was a good thing or bad thing, of course, runs even more broadly. Indeed, I’m not at all certain that we’ll even be able to see how intense the various “colors” of that spectrum will prove until information about the conference filters down to the bulk of the North American church that maintains no real connection to the World Church <a href="http://saintsherald.com/2010/04/13/world-conference-in-the-blogosphere/"> in the &#8220;Blogitorium&#8221;</a>. As in many churches on the Christian left in North America, that membership tends to be somewhat more traditionalist than its leadership.<span id="more-10678"></span></p>
<p>Nevertheless, I’ll give my view as someone from one part of the peanut gallery, focusing on what was in each portion of Section 164 and the effects of associated legislation passed to begin implementation. A future post will provide a similar analysis on legislation considered by the Conference not specifically addressed by Section 164 and suggest something about the overall direction of the Community of Christ in the future.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPHS 1-4</span></strong></p>
<p>President Veazey describes the experiences of meditation, particularly on portions of Galatians 3:27-29, that led him to offer the Section. After commending the church for similarly seeking to discern the Spirit in a structured process that has been going on for well over a year, he makes explicit an understanding of the church and its sacraments which has been implicit in CofChrist theology for a number of years.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;Instruction given previously about baptism was proper to ensure the rise and cohesiveness of the church during its early development and in following years. However, as a growing number have come to understand, the redemptive action of God in Christ—while uniquely and authoritatively expressed through the church—is not confined solely to the church. God’s grace, revealed in Jesus Christ, freely moves throughout creation, often beyond human perception, to achieve divine purposes in people’s lives.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Community of Christ is to see itself as “one true church”, not as the “one <em><span style="text-decoration: underline">and only</span></em> true church”. How serious is this theological intent was earlier signaled by something I haven’t seen commentators note elsewhere. The first sessions of Conference always feature certain speeches of welcome. One is usually a non-CofChrist speaker. This speaker is often a local Congressman or a Missouri Senator. The speech is strictly non-political even then, but the identity is interesting because trends over time seem to show the direction of the church leadership’s interest.</p>
<p>This year that slot went to the Rev. Dr. Michael Kinnamon, General Secretary of the National Council of Churches. Kinnamon unabashedly spoke of the Community of Christ having unique gifts that should be seen as adding to bodies such as the NCC, rather than as a body going its own way. Ironically, contacts between the RLDS and the NCC were among the suspicions cited by fundamentalist opponents of the church circa 1970 as evidence of apostasy. Thus, such a speech 40 years ago might itself have been too controversial to occur.</p>
<p>Section 164 then lays out specific instruction (that will be followed quickly by formal administrative policy <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2010/counsel/QA3.asp"> guidance</a> to become effective by September 1, 2011). These policies will result in acceptance into membership into the Community of Christ upon confirmation by CofChrist priesthood – without requiring rebaptism if the original baptism: a) involved water;  b) was performed by an ordained Christian minister;  and c) as a personal expression of faith in Christ. In particular, we will not require someone to present proof of their baptism <em>or the baptizing minister’s credentials</em>, since that would be impossible in many places throughout the world. This clearly expands the notion of <em>true priesthood authority</em> beyond the boundaries of those called through the priesthood line passed to Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>The phrase “using water” also allows for baptisms done by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling, while upholding the church’s own standard practice of baptism by immersion at the age of accountability. There is also some additional specific guidance regarding the substance of the prayer of confirmation (Baptism of the Spirit) that is now the means by which one moves from being part of the Body of Christ into membership within the denomination. And preparation for confirmation will now be a formal requirement for the ordinance to occur.</p>
<p>Paragraph 3 contains a call for all members to serious consider and live the meaning of their baptismal covenants (water and Spirit). Paragraph 4 ties this call to consideration of the role the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper should play in renewing, witnessing, and amplifying our covenant. (Portions of the preamble specifically warn us to NOT make the meaning of the covenants atrophy even as we broaden the procedures, because of the concern that in some places this has happened with open communion).</p>
<p>This portion of the Section makes the Community of Christ look very Protestant – if you can call becoming more Protestant through modern revelation a Protestant concept in the first place.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPHS 5-7</span></strong></p>
<p>These are the paragraphs whose approval generated the widely divergent headlines above. Their actual content is to call attention to “serious questions about moral behavior and relationships” – but to prioritize those questions not simply as they are listed within the dominant culture of the denomination.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“These issues are complex and difficult to understand outside their particular settings because of strikingly different cultural histories, customs, and understandings of scripture. For example, the issues include female submission, female genital mutilation, child brides, forced marriages, and sexual permissiveness. They include cleansing and exploitation of widows, harsh conflicts over same-gender attraction and relationships, and varying legal, religious, and social definitions of marriage, to name just a few.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>More importantly, the Section calls us to see the solutions for these moral dilemmas as arising from an understanding of Christianity as a community that transcends definitions by economic status, social class, sex, gender, or ethnicity. They simply are no longer primary. Relationships are to be rooted in the principles of Christ-like love, mutual respect, responsibility, justice, covenant, and faithfulness, <em>against which there is no law.</em></p>
<p>Section 164 then extrapolates that these principles require that the church move the resolution of moral issues to the church in the cultures most affected by them rather than let the dominant North American church decide for the rest of the world. Field Apostles, under the guidance of the Presidency, are authorized to call and set the agenda for field, national, or (non-geographical) cultural groups to deal with issues such as those listed above as they feel directed.</p>
<p>Uncertainty about the nature and timing of these conferences is generating the widely divergent headlines about gay rights. First, everyone in the Community of Christ seems to understand that the leadership feels that it must not expose our leaders and members in cultures where discussion of gay issues is taboo. If so, they can hardly move toward expanded gay rights in the United States unless they can find a way to maintain what the government would call “plausible deniability&#8221;.</p>
<p>Second, there is a large body of conservative members in the US church (and non-members in society) whose reaction must be anticipated and allowed for. The LDS experience with Prop 8 shows what happens when the church in the US takes any position on controversial issues in the political arena. Many feel the church has moved too hesitantly and will continue to do so; others are likely to feel the church is moving in the wrong direction entirely.</p>
<p>Finally, there are logistical questions. It seems unlikely that the US church has the resources to assemble a national conference on gay rights issues before the spring of 2012 at the earliest. It will take until September, 2011, simply to implement the new conditions for membership.</p>
<p>The greatest sign of movement toward gay rights comes from something in administrative minutia. It is normal for the church to realign Apostolic Fields following a World Conference (our Apostles retire, so there are usually changes in the Twelve). This time a gerrymandered field has been carved out for Apostle Susan Skoor that stretches from Southern Australia to Eastern  Canada – and just happens to cover all of the non-US jurisdictions that proposed World Conference legislation expanding full priesthood and sacramental rites for gays. The extension of rights in that Field or in nations within that Field <em>might be granted</em> while maintaining sufficient distance from the World Church (and prying media) to protect the church in cultures hostile to gay rights.</p>
<p>Expansion to the US is much more difficult to do while maintaining any credibility to foreign governments and religious bodies that “this is just local jurisdictions acting on their own.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps more significantly in the long run than the particular moral issues – at least from the perspective of this Washington spectator – is the change these paragraphs make in the legislative rights of mission centers to set the agenda for the church. The Presidency immediately ruled 21 legislative proposals that had been painstakingly brought to the conference as out of order because they reflect National or Regional concerns. These rulings were entirely appropriate under Section 164 guidance.</p>
<p>However, the Conference later passed implementing legislation for the field and national conferences that make them “special conferences”. Such conferences operate under different parliamentary rules than World Conference. In particular,  Mission Centers lack the right to place items on the agenda of special conferences; that agenda is set <em>only</em> by the Apostle who calls the conference with the approval of the Presidency. In short, this revelation makes the Community of Christ less democratic and more theocratic than it was a year ago.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPH 8</span></strong></p>
<p>Paragraph 8, by contrast, shows the flexibility and speed with which the Community of Christ can move on organizational issues when it wishes to do so. The Twelve and the Presidents of the Seven Quorums of Seventy have been meeting for several years in response to the immediately previous revelation (Section 163) to consider organizational changes to increase evangelistic effectiveness. Paragraph 8 is taken as authorization to make these changes.</p>
<p>Within 24 hours of Section 164 approval, the number of Quorums of Seventy was increased from seven to ten, the additional Quorum Presidents were named, and they were approved by the Conference and set apart to that calling. Jack Bauer couldn&#8217;t have moved faster. Clearly, the outcome of these discussions among the leading quorums was well prepared in advance, while they are still feeling their way around the notion of how and when national conferences will function.</p>
<p>Reorganization of the Twelve, while not fundamental, essentially separates the world into 10 Fields for the moment, each led by an Apostle, with the remaining two Apostles focusing on Headquarters-oriented tasks. For the first time, a single Quorum of Seventy will be aligned with the geographic or other missionary focus of a Field Apostle.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPH 9</span></strong></p>
<p>The final paragraph of the document is a benediction of sorts, and a challenge that the rise of Zion is no farther away than the willingness of all of us – all the “beloved children of the Restoration” – to overcome our insecurities and embrace a Christ-like life.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The mission of Jesus Christ is what matters most to the journet ahead.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Prophets, Seers and Bureaucrats</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I listened recently to a Mormon Expression podcast with John Dehlin, in which he comments upon the difficult position the Church leaders face.  He observes that their are times when they make particular decisions based upon a legalistic-bureaucratic framework that sometimes seem incomprehensible, even unchristian but that these decision are understandable. I would like to ask this question: Is there an alternative? Quinn argues that during the explosive Church growth of the 1950’s-1970’s the Church attempted to draw upon a number of external influences in making the organization more efficient and effective.  At the same time there was an explosive growth in Church bureaucracy.  This led some to become concerned over the influence and direction of power and authority within the hierarchical structure. According to Quinn, both J. Reuben Clark Jr. and David O. McKay were concerned that the increasing bureaucratic, financial and organizational burden meant that the GA’s were not able (due to lack of knowledge or expertise) to make decisions that would need to be made.  They would, of necessity, have to rely upon technocrats and other specialists from the various sub-committees at Church Headquarters.  President McKay’s concern was that this movement would involve an ecclesiastical abdication of the God-given authority to led [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened recently to a Mormon Expression podcast with <a href="http://mormonstories.org/?p=788">John Dehlin</a>, in which he comments upon the difficult position the Church leaders face.  He observes that their are times when they make particular decisions based upon a legalistic-bureaucratic framework that sometimes seem incomprehensible, even unchristian but that these decision are understandable. I would like to ask this question: Is there an alternative?<span id="more-9670"></span></p>
<p>Quinn argues that during the explosive Church growth of the 1950’s-1970’s the Church attempted to draw upon a number of external influences in making the organization more efficient and effective.  At the same time there was an explosive growth in Church bureaucracy.  This led some to become concerned over the influence and direction of power and authority within the hierarchical structure.</p>
<p>According to Quinn, both J. Reuben Clark Jr. and David O. McKay were concerned that the increasing bureaucratic, financial and organizational burden meant that the GA’s were not able (due to lack of knowledge or expertise) to make decisions that would need to be made.  They would, of necessity, have to rely upon technocrats and other specialists from the various sub-committees at Church Headquarters.  President McKay’s concern was that this movement would involve an ecclesiastical abdication of the God-given authority to led the Church.</p>
<p>This model of Prophetic leadership in temporal, as well as spiritual matters, has a long and varied history in the standard works and has been exemplified by our earliest and most influential leaders.  The first reason therefore that I am unconvinced that there is an alternative to a mixture (even a heavy emphasis) on the bureaucratic, as opposed to the prophetic, in our Church leadership is that theologically they are expected to be able to guide a temporally-situated Church.  Yet, their burden is fraught with a multiplicity of complex challenges that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and others never faced.</p>
<p>John Dehlin rightly notes that within this they have a responsibility to protect the image of the ‘Prophetic Mantle’.  In one sense, therefore, it seems possible that although they believe that as &#8216;Prophets, Seers and Revelators&#8217; they have a responsibility over the temporal, they also feel a sense of dissatisfaction or dissonance over the types of decisions they have to make.  This is evident by the fact they do not talk about such decisions and even try to mask these processes from the general membership because they feel that such decision-making processes might undermine the image of the ‘Prophetic Mantle’.  I think they are right; it might well have this effect.</p>
<p>Now it is possible to argue that the &#8216;Prophetic Mantle&#8217; does not need to be protected.  I can sympathise with this position however I believe that the Brethren intentionally present a view of their work which most accurately exemplifies what they expect from their local leaders.  Bishops and Stake Presidents do not make the same type of decisions that might require this legalistic-bureaucractic framework and they therefore expect local leaders to seek the Spirit in dealing with spiritual matters.  I am not convinced that this is disingenuous  but rather sense that they are trying to model the gospel in action to a culturally and intellectually diverse membership.</p>
<p>Therefore, they are in a tough, ecclesiastical bind.  Abdicate the responsibility for the kingdom (to a small or even a large extent) or face the possibility of undermining the ‘Prophetic Mantle’, which I believe they have, and giving scope for local leaders to approach issues in this same legalistic-bureaucractic manner.</p>
<p>I can see why they do what they do because I am not sure I see a valid alternative, theologically or organisationally.  Do you?</p>
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		<title>Putting an Edge on Abraham</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bored in Vernal</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #9 This story is so very, very familiar to us that I think it&#8217;s important to look at it with a fresh perspective.  So in this post I am including some pieces from media and the arts that force us to think about Genesis 22.  I promise you in advance that some of these might be disturbing to you.  Probably you will disagree with the portrayal of Abraham&#8217;s sacrifice in at least one, if not all, of these pieces.  I hope you will share your reactions in the comments. One of my favorite poems juxtaposes the story of Abraham with World War I.  The poet, Wilfred Owen, is a tragic figure himself, who was gunned down at age 25 just seven days before the Armistice on November 4, 1918.  This poem invites the reader to consider the effects of extreme religious devotion. The Parable of the Young Man and the Old Wilfred Owen So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went, And took the fire with him, and a knife. And as they sojourned, both of them together, Isaac the first-born spake, and said, My Father, Behold the preparations, fire and iron, But where the lamb [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #9</strong></big></p>
<p>This story is so very, very familiar to us that I think it&#8217;s important to look at it with a fresh perspective.  So in this post I am including some pieces from media and the arts that force us to think about <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/22">Genesis 22</a>.  I promise you in advance that some of these might be disturbing to you.  Probably you will disagree with the portrayal of Abraham&#8217;s sacrifice in at least one, if not all, of these pieces.  I hope you will share your reactions in the comments.<span id="more-9927"></span></p>
<p>One of my favorite poems juxtaposes the story of Abraham with World War I.  The poet, Wilfred Owen, is a tragic figure himself, who was gunned down at age 25 just seven days before the Armistice on November 4, 1918.  This poem invites the reader to consider the effects of extreme religious devotion.</p>
<blockquote><p><big>The Parable of the Young Man and the Old</big><br />
<a href="http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/abraham/abraham.html">Wilfred Owen</a></p>
<p>So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,<br />
And took the fire with him, and a knife.<br />
And as they sojourned, both of them together,<br />
Isaac the first-born spake, and said, My Father,<br />
Behold the preparations, fire and iron,<br />
But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?<br />
Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps,<br />
And builded parapets the trenches there,<br />
And stretched forth the knife to slay his son.<br />
When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,<br />
Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,<br />
Neither do anything to him. Behold,<br />
A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;<br />
Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.<br />
But the old man would not so, but slew his son,<br />
And half the seed of Europe, one by one.</p></blockquote>
<p>The next bit of media comes from the BBC&#8217;s That Mitchell and Webb Look.  The parody pokes fun at believers whose religion keeps them from thinking for themselves:</p>
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<p>The image below is an etching entitled The Sacrifice of Abraham by Marc Chagall.   The same study was done as a watercolor, as an oil painting, and as a drawing in pastel and China ink.  Each has symbolic features which are not present in the others.  A review of the etching describes it as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p><a style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 5em;" href="http://www.franklinbowlesgallery.com/NY/Artists/Chagall/Pages/Etchings/bible/CHAG0726P_Plate_10.jpg"><img src="http://www.franklinbowlesgallery.com/NY/Artists/Chagall/Pages/Etchings/bible/CHAG0726P_Plate_10.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="310" height="400" /></a>&#8220;&#8230;the sacrifice of Abraham presents human drama as confrontation of two wills and two freedoms: that of the creator and his creature. Chagall&#8217;s rendering of this scene is of great subtlety. Using a mirror effect between the figures of Isaac and the angel, between Abraham&#8217;s posture and that of the heavenly messenger, he suggests complementarity and ultimate unity between heaven and earth. In the end, there will be no opposition between the faithful Abraham and his God, because there exists a perfect match between human obedience and divine mercy. The bound and naked Isaac is a symbol of extreme vulnerability and suggests acute sensitivity to the word of God. God answers in kind, rushing his angel in sudden descent to arrest the movement of Abraham&#8217;s knife. Thus, although bathed in an atmosphere of frightening proportions, the pictorial narrative speaks of two worlds reconciled by tender love. The latter, tender love, finds its artistic expression in the tiny white ram emerging from the thicket on the left. Too tiny for the giant knife, the ram is a reminder that God does not want sacrifices but love.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this type of yielding and vulnerable submission make you  more comfortable than the more fanatic type? Why or why not?</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s explore what would happen if Abraham did decide to think for himself &#8212; to take a critical look at what God was asking him to do. What if that were God&#8217;s purpose behind the lesson, after all? This short story comes from the<a href="http://b10mediaworx.com/b10mwx/bookstore/peculiar-pages/the-fob-bible"> Fob Bible</a>, which I own and I highly recommend.  It is called &#8220;Abraham&#8217;s Purgatory,&#8221; and was written by Ben Christensen.</p>
<p><big><a href="http://b10mediaworx.com/peculiarpages/fobbible/pppfobbible.htm#purgatory">Abraham&#8217;s Purgatory</a></big> (click to read)</p>
<p>I included the lithograph below by Salvador Dali because I think it is interesting how the Abraham and Isaac figures are so small and how the focus of the work is the angel.  It dominates the picture and brings to mind the sacred nature of the sacrificial story.  Dali&#8217;s angel is not an insipid, white robed choir boy.  We see the figure from the back and it is both awe-inspiring, unknowable, and a bit frightening.</p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" href="http://www.artbible.net/1T/Gen2201_abraham_sacrifice/source/20%20DALI%2014%20TAKE%20THY%20ONLY%20BEGOTTEN%20SON%20ISAAX.J.jpg"><img src="http://www.artbible.net/1T/Gen2201_abraham_sacrifice/source/20%20DALI%2014%20TAKE%20THY%20ONLY%20BEGOTTEN%20SON%20ISAAX.J.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="219" height="320" /></a>Abraham, Abraham! by Salvador Dali</div>
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<p>As you watch the following comedic sketch, ask yourself the question: &#8220;Is it easier to do something God asks if you want to do it anyway?&#8221;  How much personal interpretation comes into play when we are deciphering God&#8217;s will?</p>
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<p>Jewish Midrash suggests that it was difficult to dissuade Abraham from the act of sacrificial violence once he had decided to kill his son.  The Midrash reads: “…and he said: Lay not thy hand upon the lad. Where was the knife? Tears had fallen from the angels upon it and dissolved it.” It was the tears of the angels, not those of Abraham that dissolved the knife.  Yet, even after seeing the knife dissolve, Abraham is unconvinced and persists with the violence. “’Then I will strangle him,’ said he [Abraham] to Him. ‘Lay not thy hand upon the lad,’ was the reply. ‘Let us bring forth a drop of blood from him,’ he pleaded.” Abraham refuses to be deterred. His unaffected and immediate suggestion of an alternative method of sacrifice is shocking. Some may consider this to be steadfast piety, but the violent undertone stands in stark contrast with the Midrashim that emphasize piety over violence. After that method is refused, he then pleads if he may bring forth a drop of blood from his son. The use of the word “pleads” would lead one to assume that Abraham’s plea to G-d was an emotional one. The emotion, it seems, stems more so from an inability to sacrifice his son than from G-d’s request that the sacrifice be made.</p>
<p>The sculpture below by Berruguete is included for its portrayal of the human emotion on the faces of Abraham and Isaac.  You will probably hear in your Sunday School lesson the idea that Isaac was a youth in his prime at the time of the sacrifice, while Abraham was an old man.  This interpretation promotes the idea that Isaac was a willing participant in the act of submission to God.  The sculpture visually portrays this idea, picturing Isaac as a strong and virile young man, capable of wresting himself free from his bonds.  Though horrified and frightened, he is kneeling and complaisant.</p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">The Sacrifice of Isaac by Alonso Berruguete</div>
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<p>The final piece of media I would like to include for your consideration is a biblical canticle written by Benjamin Britten.  During this two-person opera, one singer assumes the role of Abraham while the other takes that of Isaac. Through the homophony of the two singers, God&#8217;s voice emerges as if it were a third solo singer.  The use of the older tenor and the younger alto voices in the vignette below to sing the words of God is very moving.</p>
<blockquote><p>GOD: Abraham, my servant, Abraham,<br />
Take Isaac, thy son by name,<br />
That thou lovest the best of all,<br />
And in sacrifice offer him to me<br />
Upon that hill there beside thee.</p>
<p>Abraham, I will that so it be,<br />
For aught that may befall.</p></blockquote>
<p>As they sing &#8220;Abraham,&#8221; the notes are first discordant, then resolve, aptly representing the theme of the story.</p>
<p>Abraham and Isaac by Benjamin Britten</p>
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<p>The story of Abraham and Isaac is a powerful one.  It is the most dramatic moment in the life of one of the most important of the Biblical prophets.  I think that its inclusion in the Bible is meant to be disturbing and to evoke turmoil and discomfort.  I hope that the Sunday School portrayal of this section of the scriptural record will not be too soft and fluffy.</p>
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		<title>CoC to tackle Major Issues at April Conference: Gay Marriage &amp; Baptism</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the second guest Post from FireTag, a member of the Community of Christ (formerly known as RLDS).  As he mentioned in his previous post, the Community of Christ is going through the process of canonization of a new revelation.  Here&#8217;s his latest installment of the process. CofChrist Prophet: Baptism in Christ Transcends Culture “5 It is imperative to understand that when you are truly baptized into Christ you become part of a new creation. By taking on the life and mind of Christ, you increasingly view yourselves and others from a changed perspective. Former ways of defining people by economic status, social class, sex, gender, or ethnicity no longer are primary. Through the gospel of Christ a new community of tolerance, reconciliation, unity in diversity, and love is being born as a visible sign of the coming reign of God.” With these words, the Prophet/President of the Community of Christ delivered to the church for its consideration as divine counsel on January 17 a document that changes the relationship between its sacraments and its people. Copies of the documents are already posted at http://www.CofChrist.org. Most stunning to readers on the bloggernacle, the document places resolution of pressing issues [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is the second guest Post from FireTag, a member of the Community of Christ (formerly known as RLDS).  As he mentioned in his previous post, the Community of Christ is going through the process of <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/05/canonizing-modern-revelation-a-tourist-guide/">canonization of a new revelation</a>.  Here&#8217;s his latest installment of the process.</em></p>
<p><strong>CofChrist Prophet: Baptism in Christ Transcends Culture</strong></p>
<p>“5 It is imperative to understand that when you are truly baptized into Christ you become part of a new creation. By taking on the life and mind of Christ, you increasingly view yourselves and others from a changed perspective. Former ways of defining people by economic status, social class, sex, gender, or ethnicity no longer are primary. Through the gospel of Christ a new community of tolerance, reconciliation, unity in diversity, and love is being born as a visible sign of the coming reign of God.”</p>
<p>With these words, the Prophet/President of the Community of Christ delivered to the church for its consideration as divine counsel on January 17 a document that changes the relationship between its sacraments and its people. Copies of the documents are already posted at <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/">http://www.CofChrist.org</a>.</p>
<p>Most stunning to readers on the bloggernacle, the document places resolution of pressing issues of marriage, sexual identity and roles, <span id="more-9280"></span>among others, into the hands of field or national jurisdictions to resolve within the context of their own cultures and secular laws. This appears to mean that the Community of Christ will no longer have a world-wide policy toward these cultural institutions, although what local policies will come into place is left undefined. Thus, jurisdictions in which gay marriage is permitted by the culture may be able to move forward with this practice <em>as a sacrament of the church</em> as well, and the church may continue to forbid discussion of the issue in nations where such discussion is taboo.</p>
<p>In addition, persons baptized by water within other denominations who are led by the Spirit to the Community of Christ are now to be accepted without rebaptism into membership upon confirmation following a period of study.</p>
<p>The headlines will probably not be the most important part of the document in the long run. <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2010/counsel/default.asp" target="_blank">Take a look at it</a> and see what you think.</p>
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		<title>Think for yourself or not – that is the question .Cognitive Dissonance 1</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many of you in the bloggernacle thrive on having two opposing ideas at once in your head. I have always found that difficult. I have seen many who can’t cope with it at all and have to come to a conclusion one way or the other or their belief system will cave in and their minds will explode. I have all the best intentions in the world to start a series on cognitive dissonance this year. To start off I have found some quotes from the brethren which seems to be in opposition to each other. I am sure some of you will figure out away in which they are not! Don’t Think for Yourself!! &#8220;Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the prophets, seers, revelators&#8217; of the church, is cultivating the spirit of apostasy. One cannot speak evil of the lord&#8217;s annointed&#8230; and retain the holy spirit in his heart. This sort of game is Satan&#8217;s favorite pastime, and he has practiced it to believing souls since Adam. He {Satan} wins a great victory when he can get members of the church to speak against their leaders and to [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>Many of you in the bloggernacle thrive on having two opposing ideas at once in your head. I have always found that difficult.  I have seen many who can’t cope with it at all and have to come to a conclusion one way or the other or their belief system will cave in and their minds will explode.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>I have all the best intentions in the world to start a series on cognitive dissonance this year.  To start off I have found some quotes from the brethren which seems to be in opposition to each other. I am sure some of you will figure out away in which they are not!</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"><strong>Don’t Think for Yourself!!</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the prophets, seers, revelators&#8217; of the church, is cultivating the spirit of apostasy. One cannot speak evil of the lord&#8217;s annointed&#8230; and retain the holy spirit in his heart. This sort of game is Satan&#8217;s favorite pastime, and he has practiced it to believing souls since Adam. He {Satan} wins a great victory when he can get members of the church to speak against their leaders and to do their own thinking.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan&#8211;it is God&#8217;s Plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give directions, it should mark the end of controversy, God works in no other way. To think otherwise, without immediate repentance, may cost one his faith, may destroy his testimony, and leave him a stranger to the kingdom of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ward Teachers Message, Deseret News, Church Section p. 5, May 26, 1945<br />
Also included in the <em>Improvement Era</em>, June 1945 (which was the official church magazine before the <em>Ensign</em>)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;Always keep your eye on the President of the church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, even if it is wrong, and you do it, the lord will bless you for it but you don&#8217;t need to worry. The lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">LDS President Marion G. Romney (of the first presidency), quoting LDS President (and prophet) Heber J. Grant &#8220;Conference Report&#8221; Oct. 1960 p. 78</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;The Lord Almighty leads this Church, and he will never suffer you to be led astray if you are found doing your duty. You may go home and sleep as sweetly as a babe in its mother&#8217;s arms, as to any danger of your leaders leading you astray, for if they should try to do so the Lord would quickly sweep them from the earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, p. 289, 1862.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;When the Prophet speaks the debate is over&#8221;.</p>
<p>N. Eldon Tanner, August <em>Ensign</em> 1979, pages 2-3</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;I sat in this tabernacle some years ago as President Joseph Fielding Smith stood at this pulpit. It was the general priesthood meeting of April 1972, the last general conference before President Smith passed away. He said: &#8216;There is one thing which we should have exceedingly clear in our minds. Neither the President of the Church, nor the First Presidency, or the united voice of the First Presidency and the Twelve will ever lead the Saints astray or send forth counsel to the world that is contrary to the mind and will of the lord&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>L. Aldin Porter of the Presidency of the First Quorum of Seventies (<em>Ensign</em>, Nov. 1994, p. 63)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Follow your leaders who have been duly ordained and have been publicly sustained, and you will not be led astray.&#8221;</p>
<p>Boyd K. Packer (General Conference, Oct. 1992; <em>Ensign</em>, Nov. 1992)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>&#8220;The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray.&#8221;</p>
<p>President Wilford Woodruff (considered scripture as it is canonized at the end of the D&amp;C)</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"><strong>Think for Yourself!!</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify">President Joseph F. Smith said, &#8220;We talk of obedience, but do we require any man or woman to ignorantly obey the counsels that are given? Do the First Presidency require it? No, never.&#8221; (<em>Journal of Discources</em> (JD) 16:248)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">Apostle Charles W. Penrose, who would later serve as counselor to President Smith, declared: &#8220;President Wilford Woodruff is a man of wisdom and experience, and we respect him, but we do not believe his personal views or utterances are revelations from God; and when &#8216;Thus saith the Lord&#8217;, comes from him, the saints investigate it: they do not shut their eyes and take it down like a pill.&#8221; (<em>Millennial Star</em> 54:191)</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;And none are required to tamely and blindly submit to a man because he has a portion of the priesthood. We have heard men who hold the priesthood remark, that they would do anything they were told to do by those who presided over them, if they knew it was wrong; but such obedience as this is worse than folly to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly degrade himself should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he turns from his folly. A man of God&#8230; would despise the idea. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty authority have taught that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the saints were told to do by their presidents, they should do it without asking any questions. When Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience as to teach them to the people, it is generally because they have it in their minds to do wrong themselves.&#8221; (<em>Millennial Star</em>, vol.14 #38, pp. 593-95)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Brigham Young said:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;What a pity it would be, if we were led by one man to utter destruction! Are you afraid of this? I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken the influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. This has been my exhortation continually.&#8221; (JD 9:150)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;How easy it would be for your leaders to lead you to destruction, unless you actually know the mind and will of the spirit yourselves.&#8221; (JD 4:368)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;I do not wish any Latter-day Saint in this world, nor in heaven, to be satisfied with anything I do, unless the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ, the spirit of revelation, makes them satisfied&#8230;Suppose that the people were heedless, that they manifested no concern with regard to the things of the kingdom of God, but threw the whole burden upon the leaders of the people, saying, &#8216;If the brethren who take charge of matters are satisfied, we are,&#8217; this is not pleasing in the sight of the Lord.&#8221; (JD 3:45)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;&#8230;Now those men, or those women, who know no more about the power of God, and the influences of the Holy Spirit, than to be led entirely by another person, suspending their own understanding, and pinning their faith upon another&#8217;s sleeve, will never be capable of entering into the celestial glory, to be crowned as they anticipate; they will never be capable of becoming Gods. They cannot rule themselves, to say nothing of ruling others, but they must be dictated to in every trifle, like a child. They cannot control themselves in the least, but James, Peter, or somebody else must control them. They never can become Gods, nor be crowned as rulers with glory, immortality, and eternal lives. They never can hold sceptres of glory, majesty, and power in the celestial kingdom. Who will? Those who are valiant and inspired with the true independence of heaven, who will go forth boldly in the service of their God, leaving others to do as they please, determined to do right, though all mankind besides should take the opposite course. Will this apply to any of you? Your own hearts can answer.&#8221; (JD 1:312)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8220;President Joseph Smith read the 14th chapter of Ezekiel [see, for example, verses 9-10: 'If the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing...the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him.']&#8230;said the Lord had declared by the Prophet [Ezekiel], that the people should each one stand for himself, and depend on no man or men in that state of corruption of the Jewish church &#8212; that righteous persons could only deliver their own souls &#8212; applied it to the present state [1842] of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints &#8212; said if the people departed from the Lord, they must fall &#8212; that they were depending on the Prophet, hence were darkened in their minds, in consequence of neglecting the duties devolving upon themselves&#8230;&#8221; (<em>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith</em> pp. 237-38)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p style="text-align: justify">George Q. Cannon, Counselor to three Church Presidents, expressed it thus: &#8220;Do not, brethren, put your trust in man though he be a bishop, an apostle, or a president. If you do, they will fail you at some time or place; they will do wrong or seem to, and your support be gone;&#8221; (<em>Millennial Star</em> 53:658-59, quoted in <em>Gospel Truth</em>, 1:319)</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>Have you had experiences where you think you have genuinely had bad advice from following your leaders?</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>Later prophets and apostles trump older ones. How do you think the older ones feel about that?<br />
</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify"><strong>Have you had times where you had so much on your plate you were glad to let someone think for you and it worked out for the best?<br />
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<p><strong>Should we think for ourselves in the church or should we let the Brethren think for us that is the question?<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the past year or so, I&#8217;ve become blogging buddies with FireTag, a member of the Community of Christ.  He has his own blog at The Fire Still Burning.  Many of you should recognize FireTag, as he frequently comments here at Mormon Matters.  He was part of my panel for the Interview with the Community of Christ. As some of you may know, the Community of Christ (formerly known as RLDS), canonizes revelations in their edition of the Doctrine and Covenants much more frequently than the LDS church does.  There is an upcoming World Conference (similar to General Conference) coming up in April, where they will discuss canonizing a new revelation.  I asked FireTag to write a series of guest posts discussing this process, and he has graciously agreed to do so.  Without further ado, here is his tourist guide to canonizing modern revelation: Living prophets who add to the canon of scripture are a distinctive marker of the Mormon movement. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the most recent such formal canonization was Official Declaration 2, added in 1978. The Proclamation on the Family could conceivably be submitted “for common consent” at some future date, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past year or so, I&#8217;ve become blogging buddies with FireTag, a member of the Community of Christ.  He has his own blog at <a title="a CoC physicists perspectives" href="http://thefirestillburning.wordpress.com/">The Fire Still Burning</a>.  Many of you should recognize FireTag, as he frequently comments here at Mormon Matters.  He was part of my panel for the <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/06/14/john-hamer-returns-look-at-coc/">Interview with the Community of Christ</a>.</p>
<p>As some of you may know, the Community of Christ (formerly known as RLDS), canonizes revelations in their edition of the Doctrine and Covenants much more frequently than the LDS church does.  There is an upcoming World Conference (similar to General Conference) coming up in April, where they will discuss canonizing a new revelation.  I asked FireTag to write a series of guest posts discussing this process, and he has graciously agreed to do so.  Without further ado, here is his tourist guide to canonizing modern revelation:</p>
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<p>Living prophets who add to the canon of scripture are a distinctive marker of the Mormon movement. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the most recent such formal canonization was Official Declaration 2, added in 1978. The Proclamation on the Family could conceivably be submitted “for common consent” at some future date, the last step in its addition to the Doctrine and Covenants.</p>
<p>The next largest Restoration Movement body, Community of Christ, has added to its version of the Doctrine and Covenants far more frequently. Eleven new D&amp;C Sections (153-163 in CofChrist numbering) have been added since 1978 under three prophet/presidents, and a proposed Section 164 is expected to be announced to the church by webcast on January 17, 2010 for consideration at the CofChrist’s April 2010 World Conference. Since World Conferences during the period have been held only seventeen times (counting 2010), adoption of new scripture is almost a “normal” World Conference activity.</p>
<p>The document is expected to deal primarily with two topics: (1) conditions of membership, as applied to converts from other Christian faiths; and, (2) with the rights to participate in and administer sacraments and ordinances of the church, including ordination and marriage, for those in non-heterosexual monogamous relationships where civil law allows.</p>
<p>Because the latter issues involved in the 2010 document will be very recognizable points of discussion in the bloggernacle, this post is offered as background for those Mormons who want to watch the process unfold. A later post nearer the time of the conference will focus more on events during the conference itself.</p>
<p>The CofChrist holds week-long Conferences that are far more legislation-oriented than are LDS conferences. Most of The Apostles or First Presidency are given no time to address the conference, for example, since only Sunday mornings and evenings are set aside for worship. Mornings and afternoons are devoted to consideration of legislation, whether in full conference, or in various quorums, committees, or delegate caucuses. Consideration of a revelation takes priority over all other matters.</p>
<p>In recent years, our Prophets have become increasingly uncomfortable with “springing” revelations on the people at the beginning of Conference for, literally, overnight consideration and adoption as had been the practice in earlier decades. It now seems to be standard practice for the Presidency to initiate a formal “discernment process” shortly after a Conference to call the church to participate in prayerfully considering the issues which will be the subject of action (and prospective revelation) at the following Conference 3 years later. Often, these are the very same issues which were referred back to the First Presidency for further study or direction (often through a standing or special committee that the Presidency creates) by the previous Conference. Of course, the Apostles, the Presiding Bishopric (chief financial officers, not pastors, in the CofChrist), the Presidencies of the various quorums, and others are closely involved in these considerations behind the scenes.</p>
<p>As a result of these practices, the general membership of the church has acquired some expanded opportunities to influence the theological and policy issues that the leading quorums of the church will seek to address during the periods between conferences. This power is not as explicit as in earlier times when the Prophet was directed to “inquire of the Lord”, and the Prophet has his own impresses regardless of what the Conference says, but there is definitely a notion that “common consent” is involved both in framing which questions the Prophet asks and in accepting the answers the Prophet receives as inspired.</p>
<p>Both of the major expected topics of proposed Section 164 are the result of pressures by significant portions of the membership to address issues of personal importance to them. The CofChrist draws a much smaller proportion of its active membership from North America and Europe than does the LDS church. In fact, conventional wisdom in the CofChrist holds that North American membership will soon be a minority in the church, if it is not already. As a result, views of the membership in places like Africa, India, and Haiti have major and growing influence on the church’s agenda.</p>
<p>These nations are less individualistic than Americans. They often have experienced great tension between teachings of Christianity and other great world religions accepted by their families and friends, and they are less likely to see differences <em>among</em> Christian denominations that loom large in American discussions as important. They often participate in the CofChrist while knowing or caring little about such things as the Book of Mormon or the early history of the Restoration movement. As a result, many of them deeply question the need for rebaptism, which seems to imply a rejection of the sacrifices they made to become Christian in the first place, as well as of the Christian families and communities around them.</p>
<p>The second largest demographic bloc in the church consists of relatively aged, relatively conservative members still very committed to the uniqueness of the Restoration and uncomfortable with any suggestion that <em>their</em> sacrifices would have been just as meaningful in another denomination.</p>
<p>Consequently, following the 2007 Conference, the First Presidency was left with an “action item” to address the issue of the “conditions of membership”, and has been directing a formal discernment process intended to lead to the January 17 guidance to the church. This issue is considered sufficiently divisive that the leading quorums had clearly indicated a desire <em>not</em> to deal with other divisive matters until the church has proven it can work through the issue. The schism that resulted in the church in the 1980’s over extension of priesthood to women has clearly instilled caution in the church leadership.</p>
<p>However, there is another divisive issue, the roles which gays living in monogamous relationships are to have in the church, which a third important demographic bloc, progressives in the Western nations, has forced onto the agenda despite the wishes of the leadership to defer consideration. Field jurisdictions which are roughly equivalent to LDS stakes (though they sometimes extend over several countries) have rights to pass legislation at their own conferences which then come to the floor of the World Conference for action. Ten such “mission centers” in the United States, Canada, and Australia passed overlapping resolutions which ask the church to change policies in various ways toward allowing gays to marry where civil authority permits, allowing our priesthood to perform such marriages as sacraments of the church, and/or to remove such relationships as barriers to holding priesthood. In response, four mission centers, in the southern US, Central America, and Africa passed proposed legislation that would reaffirm (either permanently or until further study) current policy. All proposed legislation is available for  <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2010/Legislation/index.asp" target="_blank">reading here</a>.</p>
<p>The significance of bringing these resolutions up at all should be understood. Their existence eclipses the Leading Quorums’ agenda for 2010 in a way that has not happened in perhaps 80 years, when the quorums were divided among themselves on the direction of the church.</p>
<p>The Presidency has been <em>publicly</em> studying these gay-rights issues without resolution since 1992. While Americans tend to view the issue through the lens of domestic politics, there is a major international church component in the CofChrist consideration. It took special deliberations among the 12 and Presidency to even publicly announce that the specific legislative proposals for 2010 existed, because of fears that members in some third world nations would be subject to physical persecution because discussion of homosexuality was culturally taboo.</p>
<p>It is these potentially divisive issues which form the background for proposed Section 164. The proposed revelatory document should be published on the Community of Christ website within 24 hours of President Veazey’s address to the church on January 17, and a link will be added to the comments of this post as soon as the document appears.</p>
<p>Do you have any comments or questions?</p>
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		<title>The Word of Wisdom and the Temple: Personal, Political and Prophetic Dimensions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obedience to the Word of Wisdom, it is commonly known, was not always a requirement for entering the Temple or advancement in the Priesthood.  What is less clear from the historicl record is when this principle moved to become a requirement.  President Joseph Fielding Smith believed the change occurred in 1851, but an excellent article by McCue has shown this cannot be the case [1].  Others have argued that it occurred under the Joseph F. Smith administration (he seems to have been the first to have said it was a commandment &#8211; but it was only made a test of fellowship in extreme cases and informally in a letter dated Dec 28 1915 [2]).  Contrastingly Thomas Alexander argued that it happened under President Grant.  I agree with Alexander, but there is even confusion about when it was made official, was it early 20&#8242;s or early 30&#8242;s and what led to these changes? According to Allen and Leonard ‘perhaps no doctrine was preached more enthusiastically by President Grant or stressed more in Church literature during his administration than the Word of Wisdom’ [3].  Arrington’s seminal (if not a little controversial essay) on the economic factors that led to the importance of the Word of Wisdom [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obedience to the Word of Wisdom, it is commonly known, was not always a requirement for entering the Temple or <img class="alignright" src="http://wendyusuallywanders.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/heber_j_grant.jpg" alt="" width="156" height="197" />advancement in the Priesthood.  What is less clear from the historicl record is when this principle moved to become a requirement.  President Joseph Fielding Smith believed the change occurred in 1851, but an excellent article by McCue has shown this cannot be the case [1].  Others have argued that it occurred under the Joseph F. Smith administration (he seems to have been the first to have said it was a commandment &#8211; but it was only made a test of fellowship in extreme cases and informally in a letter dated Dec 28 1915 [2]).  Contrastingly Thomas Alexander argued that it happened under President Grant.  I agree with Alexander, but there is even confusion about when it was made official, was it early 20&#8242;s or early 30&#8242;s and what led to these changes?</p>
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<p>According to Allen and Leonard ‘perhaps no doctrine was preached more enthusiastically by President Grant or stressed more in Church literature during his administration than the Word of Wisdom’ [3].  Arrington’s seminal (if not a little controversial <a href="http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/byu/chapter2.htm">essay</a>) on the economic factors that led to the importance of the Word of Wisdom deals with the period till 1900 and misses some crucial occurrences in the lead up to this principle becoming a ‘commandment’.</p>
<p><strong>The Personal</strong></p>
<p>President Grant had a friend who had died young because of alcohol related problems (according to Truman Madsen it was cirrhosis of the liver [4]).  At the funeral President Grant records, in a sermon given in 1931, that ‘as I stood at his grave I looked up to heaven and made a pledge to my God that liquor and tobacco would have in me an enemy who would fight with all the ability that God would give me to the day of my death, and I have kept that pledge so far’[5].  Perhaps what haunted President Grant most was that this young man had given up his habits to serve a mission, but had quickly resumed them when he finished his service.</p>
<p><strong>The Political</strong></p>
<p>According to the Encyclopaedia of Mormonism ‘The [prohibition] movement intensified the Church&#8217;s interest in the Word of Wisdom. There is evidence that Church Presidents John Taylor, Joseph F. Smith, and Heber J. Grant wanted to promote adherence to the Word of Wisdom as a precondition for entering LDS temples or holding office in any Church organization; and indeed, by 1930 abstinence from the use of alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea had become an official requirement for those seeking temple recommends.’[6].   </p>
<p>It seems this interest became even more pronounced when the calls for repeal began.  President Grant’s concern can be seen in his April 2, 1932 General Conference address.  There was a controversial speech by Elder Stephen L. Richards at that same conference which will be discussed later.  But at the very least, it seems that President Grant’s emphasis on making the Word of Wisdom a requirement emerged out of a political context in which he saw liquor becoming a problem for the Latter-day Saints.  He had lived through and been an Apostle through some of the previous period of emphasis which Arrington documents, and perhaps did not want to see the Church membership go down that road again.</p>
<p>Perhaps President Grant saw the Church collectively as being like his friend.  He may thought the membership would enter a period of relapse; and he was trying to prevent it.</p>
<p><strong>The Prophetic</strong></p>
<p>What is surprising, is that in President Grant’s sermons on this issue and on the policy change he does not cite any direct revelation.  Interestingly, President Grant said in 1928, which seems to contradict Alexander&#8217;s thesis of the 1921 date, that &#8216;the Lord has not made this an absolute commandment&#8217;.  The implication here from President Grant however, is that if the Lord asks his people to do something then we should respond.  In addition, in a CHI (published in 1928) the Word of Wisdom was not explicitly mentioned as a requirement for the Temple, but was in the 1933 edition [2].  Thus although the issue seems to have been informally incorporated as policy its codification was not enforced until the early 1930&#8242;s in-line with the possible repeal of Prohibition. </p>
<p>In addition, the evidence suggests that there has never been a sustaining vote on this issue [1].  I am not claiming that President Grant never believed he had received revelation on this issue nor that he never shared a testimony that he believed this principle was revelation.  What interests me is how, as a Prophet, he did not justify this change by referring to a revelatory experience but rather in a personal commitment to a principle and to political or social fears.  I would have expected an effort, like President Kimball discusses, of overcoming bias and prejudice that individuals hold in order to prepare for revelation.  For President Grant it seems that he moved forward in a different way.</p>
<p><strong>Some Controversy</strong></p>
<p>Stephen L. Richards who was an Apostle during this time gave a sermon, which was apparently not printed in the conference report <img class="alignright" src="http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/chft/images/a12-51.gif" alt="" width="182" height="241" />because it angered President Grant.  It has been subsequently printed by <a href="https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/015-43-46.pdf">Sunstone</a>.  The sermon suggested that there was fanaticism in the way Church leaders had approached the issue of the Word of Wisdom, and other behaviours.  The date Sunstone give for the delivery of this sermon is the 9<sup>th</sup> April 1932.  Although there was not a General Conference session on that day, Stan Larson (<a href="http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/truth.htm">source</a> &#8211; fn 79) in a footnote in his work on B.H. Roberts makes reference to a Salt Lake Tribune article and First Presidency meeting that discussed Richards’ talk on the 9<sup>th</sup> and the day after.  Sunstone claim they got their transcript from the Church archives.  So there is some confusion in my mind at least about where this comes from.  However, according to Michael Quinn [7], on May 5<sup>th</sup> 1932, Stephen L. Richards told the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve that he will resign as apostle rather than apologize for his general conference talk which argued that the Church is putting too much emphasis on the Word of Wisdom. However on the 26<sup>th</sup> May he later recanted and apologised for his <a href="http://www.i4m.com/think/history/mormon_history.htm">remarks</a>.  What this suggests to me is that this move may have been as much a personal drive from President Grant as from a revelation.  Moreover, it certainly was not wholly accepted at face value by all of the twelve.</p>
<p>Notes</p>
<p>1. Robert J. McCue, <em>Did the Word of Wisdom become a Commandment in 1851?</em> in Dialogue, no. 3 [Salt Lake City, UT.: Dialogue Foundation, 1981], p. 66-77.</p>
<p>2. Thomas G. Alexander, <em>The Word of Wisdom: From Principle to Requirement </em>in Dialogue, no. 3 [Salt Lake City, UT.: Dialogue Foundation, 1981], pp. 79</p>
<p>3. James B. Allen and Glen M. Leonard, <em>The Story of the Latter-day Saints,</em> 2nd ed., rev. and enl. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1992], 525 &#8211; 526.</p>
<p>4. Truman G. Madsen, <em>The Presidents of the Church</em>, [Salt Lake City, UT. Deseret Book, 2004).</p>
<p>5. President Heber J. Grant, <em>Answering Tobacco&#8217;s Challenge</em> in Improvement Era, 1931, (Vol. Xxxiv. June, 1931. No. 8.)</p>
<p>6. Joseph Lyons, <em>Encyclopedia of Mormonism, </em>1-4 vols., edited by Daniel H. Ludlow (New York: Macmillan, 1992), 1584.</p>
<p>7. D. Michael Quinn, <em>The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power</em> [Salt Lake City, UT.: Signature Books, 1997).</p>
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		<title>Time to Study the Old Testament……..Again &#8211; Part 1 &#8211; Introduction</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As part of the four-year LDS Sunday School study cycle, it is time to open up that voluminous book known as the Old Testament. Many in the Christian community, including LDS, question the value of even studying the Old Testament. After all, they say, &#8220;we have the New Testament, which is Christ&#8217;s teachings to us.&#8221;  And, the LDS have additional scripture that have Christ&#8217;s teachings as well. Is that true?  Is the Old Testament &#8220;Old,&#8221; and thus not as relevant as other scriptures? The answer of course is no.  These scriptures are important to us. From the Old Testament Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, Lesson 1, &#8220;The Old Testament is an account of God’s dealings with his covenant people from the time of the Creation to a few hundred years before the Savior’s birth. The Old Testament provides powerful examples of faith and obedience.  It also shows the consequences of forgetting, disobeying, or opposing God.  Its prophecies bear witness of the Messiah’s birth, redeeming sacrifice, second coming, and millennial reign.&#8221; Introduction The Old Testament consists of a various number of books from 39 to 47, depending on which version you use. (We&#8217;ll cover this in detail in a subsequent posting).  The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As part of the four-year LDS Sunday School study cycle, it is time to open up that voluminous book known as the Old Testament. Many in the Christian community, including LDS, question the value of even studying the Old Testament. After all, they say, &#8220;we have the New Testament, which is Christ&#8217;s teachings to us.&#8221;  And<img class="alignright size-full wp-image-8281" style="border: 3px solid black;margin: 5px" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Torah.jpg" alt="Torah" width="151" height="136" />, the LDS have additional scripture that have Christ&#8217;s teachings as well.</p>
<p>Is that true?  Is the Old Testament &#8220;Old,&#8221; and thus not as relevant as other scriptures?</p>
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<p>The answer of course is no.  These scriptures are important to us.</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&amp;sourceId=0e63c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=c3dcf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Old Testament Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual</a>, Lesson 1,</p>
<p>&#8220;The Old Testament is an account of God’s dealings with his covenant people from the time of the Creation to a few hundred years before the Savior’s birth. The Old Testament provides powerful examples of faith and obedience.  It also shows the consequences of forgetting, disobeying, or opposing God.  Its prophecies bear witness of the Messiah’s birth, redeeming sacrifice, second coming, and millennial reign.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Introduction</strong></p>
<p>The Old Testament consists of a various number of books from 39 to 47, depending on which version you use. (We&#8217;ll cover this in detail in a subsequent posting).  The order varies as well.  &#8220;Old Testament&#8221; is somewhat of misnomer, the term &#8220;Old Testament&#8221; itself is credited to <a title="Melito of Sardis" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melito_of_Sardis">Melito of Sardis</a>.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament#cite_note-0">[1]</a></sup> The term &#8220;Old&#8221; is used to distinguish it from the &#8220;New&#8221; Testament, or the Old Covenant from the New Covenant given by Jesus.  Most scholars refer to the Old Testament as the &#8220;Hebrew Bible&#8221; or the Jewish Bible.  Jews refer to it simply as &#8220;The Holy Scriptures or TaNaKn.&#8221;</p>
<p>The books were written mainly in Biblical Hebrew with a few books in Biblical Aramaic.  According to traditional Jewish belief, the Hebrew Bible existed as an oral tradition for a long time, and it was forbidden to be put into written form.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible#cite_note-Himelstein-5">[6]</a></sup> According to that tradition, the date on which permission was given to write down the Bible is considered one of mourning.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible#cite_note-Himelstein-5">[6]</a></sup> Contemporary conservative scholars date the origin of the Hebrew Bible between the tenth and seventh centuries BCE,<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible#cite_note-6">[7]</a></sup> while most contemporary secular biblical scholars date its finalization in the <a title="Achaemenid Empire" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire">Persian period</a> (539 to 334 BCE).<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible#cite_note-7">[8]</a> </sup>(From Wikipedia, &#8220;Hebrew Bible&#8221;)</p>
<p>While many Christians tend to downplay the relevance of the Old Testament compared to the New Testament, it is ironic that much of the fire and brimstone teachings of Christianity can be more closely linked to the harshness of how God dealt with his covenant people who couldn&#8217;t seem to stay on the straight and narrow path.  Jesus&#8217; own teachings seem more gentle than those of the Old Testament.</p>
<p>So, are you looking forward to once again opening that huge book and studying it?  I, for one, am looking forward to teaching it this year and bringing some of my own perspectives to the lessons, given my background.</p>
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		<title>Vagueness as a Gospel Principle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.    Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness;&#8221; (D&#38;C 58:26 &#8211; 27) As I read the scriptures, listen to conference talks, and other materials about the Church, I get the feeling sometimes that things can be a little vague.  Human nature seems to dictate that an absolute answer is always preferred over ambiguity and vagueness. But in the religious realm, it is not to be.  Vagueness is defined as not clear in meaning or application or, indistinctly felt, perceived, understood, or recalled; hazy. The fact that there are so many religions and religious denominations seems to confirm this idea. For instance, if there is one God, our Heavenly Father, why does He seem to manifest Himself so differently to different people, to different cultures, and at different times? For example, In the LDS Church, we believe that Baptism is an essential ordnance to enter the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.    Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, <img class="alignright size-full wp-image-8053" style="border: 3px solid black" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/SJ_Shoulder_Shrug_small.jpg" alt="SJ_Shoulder_Shrug_small" width="134" height="166" />and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness;&#8221; (D&amp;C 58:26 &#8211; 27)<span id="more-8052"></span></p>
<p>As I read the scriptures, listen to conference talks, and other materials about the Church, I get the feeling sometimes that things can be a little vague.  Human nature seems to dictate that an absolute answer is always preferred over ambiguity and vagueness.</p>
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<p>But in the religious realm, it is not to be.  Vagueness is defined as not clear in meaning or application or, indistinctly felt, perceived, understood, or recalled; hazy.</p>
<p>The fact that there are so many religions and religious denominations seems to confirm this idea. For instance, if there is one God, our Heavenly Father, why does He seem to manifest Himself so differently to different people, to different cultures, and at different times?</p>
<p>For example, In the LDS Church, we believe that Baptism is an essential ordnance to enter the kingdom of God and to progress toward eternal life and salvation.  And there are Christian denominations that echo that same idea.  However, there are just as many, maybe more, who, reading the same scriptures, deny the necessity of Baptism for salvation.  Vagueness occurs because the scriptures are not 100% clear on that point.  Within the LDS Church, the Prophet Joseph Smith did make it clear, in the Fourth Article of Faith, that Baptism is essential.</p>
<p>In another, more contemporary example, many conservative Christians and Jews, for that matter, look at scriptures in Leviticus to proclaim that Homosexual activity is wrong. (Leviticus 18:22, see also Romans 1:27, 29-31, 32) However, religious organizations and individuals more sympathetic toward the Gay Movement have interpreted those scriptures very differently and say that they do not even address the issue of homosexuality.  (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh5.htm) The scriptures do not come right out and address the issue so clearly it cannot be open to interpretation. Vagueness.</p>
<p>In Doctrine and Covenants Section 89, the Word of Wisdom verse 9, &#8220;hot drinks are not for the body or belly.&#8221; But what is a hot drink?  Anyone&#8217;s first read of that verse would lead them to conclude it was ANY drink that was HOT  That does not seem terribly vague.</p>
<p>But wait, there&#8217;s more!</p>
<p>In 1842 Hyrum Smith, Assistant President of the Church and also the Presiding Patriarch, provided an interpretation of the Word of Wisdom&#8217;s proscription of &#8220;hot drinks&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;And again &#8220;hot drinks are not for the body, or belly;&#8221; there are many who wonder what this can mean; whether it refers to tea, or coffee, or not. I say it does refer to tea, and coffee.  (<em>Times and Seasons</em>, 1842-06-01, vol. 3, p. 800.</p>
<p>But it does not refer to hot chocolate, hot herbal tea, hot barley drinks, etc. But, many have also speculated as to why coffee and tea?  Could it be the caffeine? If so, that means cola drinks, or anything else that might have caffeine in it.  You mean like chocolate? Wait a minute! I thought hot chocolate was ok? What about Mountain Dew, its not a cola drink?  Here is a case where something seems pretty straightforward but has been made somewhat vague.</p>
<p>Here are a few other topics that have been vague at one time or another:</p>
<ul>
<li>Tithing: Net or Gross?</li>
<li>New and Everlasting  Covenant of Marriage: Plurality of Wives or just Eternal marriage ( Sealing)</li>
<li>Missouri Extermination Order: Kill them or just run them out of town?</li>
<li>United Order: Voluntary or the Law of Consecration?</li>
<li>Blacks and the Priesthood:  Doctrine, policy or  just plain prejudice?</li>
<li>Many, many more</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>So why would Gospel Principles be Vague?</strong></p>
<p>First, maybe they are not all that vague.  Maybe, you need to find the right source of information. If the scriptures seem vague, what have the Living Prophets said?  If that is vague, what does the Lord tell you when you pray about it or what does the Spirit testify to you about it?  Still nothing?  What are you willing t o take on faith alone?</p>
<p>Second, We do need to develop faith. &#8220;NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.&#8221;  (Hebrews 11:1). Some things have no immediate answer and must be taken on faith alone until a later time.</p>
<p>Thirdly, we are here on earth as a test.  Ultimately, we decide for ourselves the path we walk. Like the verse at the beginning of this post, if we did not have our agency to decide for ourselves and had to be told each and every little detail, we would not progress to reach the goal of living with Our Father in Heaven and His Son throughout eternity.</p>
<p>Sure, things can be a bit vague and uncertain at times.  But it is part of the great Plan of happiness for us to endure to the end.</p>
<p>So, the question at hand is how do you deal with the vagueness and ambiguity? Perhaps you think there is none. Feel free to list your vague Gospel Principles.</p>
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		<title>Great Expectations: What Are Your Hopes and Predictions for General Conference?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;It&#8217;s the MOST WONderful TIIIME of the YEARRRRRR.&#8221;  The leaves are starting to change color. The evenings and mornings are a bit crisper. Even the birds&#8217; singing suddenly sounds sweeter than ever. General Conference must be coming this weekend. Twice a year, I can&#8217;t help formulating hopes and expectations, or making predictions about what we might hear in the next General Conference. There are a few things that are givens. We can expect to hear spiritual messages that transcend the issues discussed most often on LDS blogs. We can expect to hear speakers relate sincere, heart-felt experiences that bring comfort to those who are struggling with loneliness, loss, sickness, guilt, or feelings of inadequacy. Those are messages I know I can expect to hear every conference.  But the anticipation that slowly builds in my mind over the couple weeks before Conference is whether we will hear anything about the issues typically discussed in the Bloggernacle by those for whom the Church is more than a religion or a lifestyle, and who make a hobby out of studying Mormonism from an academic standpoint. Major changes in the Church have been announced at General Conferences in the past, and when the Ninth [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7657" title="pres monson chair" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/pres-monson-chair-150x150.jpg" alt="pres monson chair" width="150" height="150" />&#8220;It&#8217;s the MOST WONderful TIIIME of the YEARRRRRR.&#8221;  The leaves are starting to change color.  The evenings and mornings are a bit crisper. Even the birds&#8217; singing suddenly sounds sweeter than ever.</p>
<p>General Conference must be coming this weekend.</p>
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<p>Twice a year, I can&#8217;t help formulating hopes and expectations, or making predictions about what we might hear in the next General Conference.  There are a few things that are givens.  We can expect to hear spiritual messages that transcend the issues discussed most often on LDS blogs.  We can expect to hear speakers relate sincere, heart-felt experiences that bring comfort to those who are struggling with loneliness, loss, sickness, guilt, or feelings of inadequacy.  Those are messages I know I can expect to hear every conference.  But the anticipation that slowly builds in my mind over the couple weeks before Conference is whether we will hear anything about the issues typically discussed in the Bloggernacle by those for whom the Church is more than a religion or a lifestyle, and who make a hobby out of studying Mormonism from an academic standpoint.</p>
<p>Major changes in the Church have been announced at General Conferences in the past, and when the Ninth Article of Faith tells us that God &#8220;will <span style="text-decoration: underline;">yet</span> reveal  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">many</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">great</span> and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">important</span> things pertaining to the Kingdom of God,&#8221; I can&#8217;t help wondering whether any of those &#8220;great and important things&#8221; will come out this Conference.</p>
<p>I invite you to express your own hopes, expectations, and predictions for this coming General Conference in the comment section below.  But before doing so, I&#8217;d like to share with you a few of mine.</p>
<p><strong>1.  Consensus and Clarity About the Nature of Revelation</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7660" title="51" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/51-150x150.gif" alt="51" width="150" height="150" />I have come to believe we are a bit schizophrenic in the Church when it comes to defining and explaining what &#8220;revelation&#8221; is, particularly as it applies to revelations received by the Prophets and Apostles.  Some Church leaders and members seem to view revelation as a process whereby God transmits his exact thoughts and words directly to the Prophet, who then passes them on to us without any human interference or input, such that revelations handed down by the Prophets are completely free from any human considerations (e.g. economic, political) in their origin, and completely free from any human error in the Prophet&#8217;s perception and interpretation of what he believes God told him.  Some LDS apologists have referred to this version of revelation as reflecting a &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; mindset, so for the sake of ease I&#8217;ll refer to this as the &#8220;Fundamentalist Version&#8221; of revelation.  The Fundamentalist Version of revelation is usually presented when Church leaders are trying to create unity and motivate members to rally around a particular program or policy and carry it out without question or challenge. The Fundamentalist Version creates compliance and squashes dissent because if we view revelation as a pure transmission of God&#8217;s will devoid of any human imperfections, then members will feel no room to question or refuse to comply, and Church leaders will feel divinely justified in reprimanding and punishing those who do.  A few examples of scriptures or quotes used to support the Fundamentalist Version of revelation are: &#8220;whether it be from my mouth or the mouth of my servants, it is the same&#8221; or &#8220;the Prophet will never lead us astray.&#8221;  And when something the Prophet says or does seems not to make sense, the scripture &#8220;[God's] ways are higher than [man's] ways&#8221; is often invoked, the implication being that if what the Prophet says or does doesn&#8217;t make sense, it must be because it is one of those &#8220;higher&#8221; divine truths, rather than because the Prophet has made a human error.  The Fundamentalist Version of revelation seems simple, clear, and provides a feeling of comfort and safety to people looking for a reliable guide to help them navigate through the perils and uncertainties of the world.  But this Fundamentalist Version of revelation also has a significant downside: it creates an image of Prophets as being men who do not err in their revelations, so when people encounter evidence that seems to overwhelmingly demonstrate that Prophets past and present <em>have</em> erred, this Fundamentalist Version of revelation provides no framework to reconcile those obvious human errors with the belief that so-and-so was a genuine Prophet of God.  In other words, the Fundamentalist Version of revelation creates the expectation that Prophets and their revelations are <em>infallible</em>, because despite the occasional acknowledgements of prophetic fallibility <em>in theory</em>, telling people that whatever the <em>Prophet</em> says is what <em>God</em> says creates an illusion of prophetic infallibility <em>in practice</em>.  As a result, when Church members who embrace the Fundamentalist Version of revelation encounter convincing proof of human error in the statements or actions of Prophets (and if the Internet provides us an accurate glimpse, there are <em>many</em> such people) they become disillusioned and stop believing in the concept of revelation altogether.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7661" title="95josephfaceinhat" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/95josephfaceinhat-150x150.gif" alt="95josephfaceinhat" width="150" height="150" />However, there is another version of revelation within the Church, one which has long existed alongside this Fundamentalist Version in our scripture and in Church leaders&#8217; statements.  And because it has become so popular with LDS Apologists, we could call it the Apologist Version of revelation.  In the Apologist Version, revelation is understood to be a collaborative process between a perfect, omniscient God and imperfect men with limited understanding who &#8220;see through a glass, darkly.&#8221;  In the Apologist Version, we understand that revelation is a transmission of divine knowledge oftentimes received as somewhat vague &#8220;impressions&#8221; that can be misperceived and misinterpreted by fallible men who have cultural biases, human passions, political and economic considerations, and pride.  As a result, we hope and expect that revelations will <em>usually</em> reflect God&#8217;s will on at least a <em>general</em> level, but we recognize that sometimes those revelations will err in their specifics, or (hopefully rarely) be wrong altogether.  This version of revelation is usually presented in the context of apologetics when responding to uncomfortable evidence that seems to conclusively demonstrate that the statements or policies of past or present Prophets and Apostles have been in error.  Thus, the Apologist Version of revelation is often used to persuade someone that he should not lose his testimony of Joseph Smith as a Prophet because it allows someone like Joseph Smith to inadvertently mix human errors into his revelations and still be a Prophet.  In support of this version of revelation, apologists cite the acknowledgments in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants that God&#8217;s servants &#8220;err&#8221; in ways that are eventually &#8220;made known&#8221; but that their revelations should be heeded nonetheless.  Or we find the Apologist Version of revelation in Joseph Smith&#8217;s famous quotes that &#8220;some revelations are from God, some are from man, and some are from the devil&#8221; or that &#8220;a prophet is only a prophet when he speaks as a prophet.&#8221;   The overall idea presented in this version of revelation is that it sometimes contains human errors, and therefore we ought to <em>expect</em> to find such errors without losing our testimony of Church leaders&#8217; prophetic callings when we do.  Of course, the drawback of the Apologist Version of revelation from the perspective a Church leader is that it causes some Church members to feel free to doubt, question, challenge, or refuse to comply with the Prophet&#8217;s purported revelations on the grounds that they reflect the will of man rather than the will of God.  And such doubting and dissent is a hindrance to administrative effectiveness in <em>any</em> organization.</p>
<p>Because I see these two different versions of revelation existing within the Church, anytime the subject of revelation comes up in a talk, either directly or indirectly, my ears always perk up and I listen closely to which version is being presented: the Fundamentalist Version or the Apologist Version.  Overall, it&#8217;s my feeling that the Fundamentalist Version of revelation is most often presented in sermons and lessons by both Church leaders and members, with a sprinkling of the Apologist Version from time to time, such as when uncomfortable situations arise where it become necessary to acknowledge prophetic error in attempt to save someone from losing his testimony altogether.  However, I think anyone who has been paying attention to FARMS, FAIR, and the Church&#8217;s media and public affairs departments have good cause to believe that the Apologist Version of revelation is becoming more popular and is being invoked more frequently, perhaps in an effort to stem the flow of folks losing their testimonies over troublesome episodes in Church history that seem to reflect human error in Church leadership.  So with the Church&#8217;s media and public affairs folks quoting apologists with seemingly increasing frequency, I am constantly curious to see whether and when the Apologist Version of revelation will become the dominant version of revelation presented by Church leaders at General Conference.</p>
<p>Very briefly, four more issues I&#8217;m always wondering whether will be addressed:</p>
<p><strong>2.  A clearly-worded, official repudiation of the statements made by past Church leaders to support the pre-1978 priesthood ban for African Americans.</strong> The policy changed in 1978, but there was never an accompanying clear, official renunciation of the many statements that past Church leaders had made to support it.  Many of those statements are still sitting on Church members&#8217; bookshelves at home.  And when people ask the understandable question of why the ban was ever instituted in the first place, those old statements, some of which are extremely hurtful, are sometimes trotted out by misguided members.  We know a committee was formed to draft such a statement several years ago, and there were high hopes such a statement would be presented at the 20-year and 30-year anniversaries of the rescission of that ban, but it didn&#8217;t come.  Will it come this Conference?</p>
<p><strong>3.  Will we receive messages aimed at preparing Church members to continue to generously donate their time and money to support legislation to prevent Same-Sex Marriage?</strong> Or will the negative backlash from some quarters regarding the Church&#8217;s heavy involvement in Prop. 8 result in a more moderate approach that simply &#8220;encourages&#8221; members to do so, but this time without creating a mechanism of administrative enforcement for that &#8220;encouragement&#8221;?  I have heard anecdotal stories about General Authorities saying that Prop. 8 was nothing compared to what the Church will be doing in the future, so we shall see what comes out about that topic in Conference.</p>
<p><strong>4.  Clarification about what the &#8220;central&#8221; components of the Restored Gospel are.</strong> Recently, a notable LDS apologist who specializes in Egyptology and the Book of Abraham, Dr. John Gee, gave a talk in which he provided a list of what was &#8220;central&#8221; to the Restored Gospel.  His list included the Book of Mormon, but excluded the book of scripture that he has researched and defended for so long: the Book of Abraham.  Dr. Gee&#8217;s speech prompted discussion about the criteria for determining what the &#8220;central&#8221; components of the Restored Gospel are, and also fueled speculation about whether Dr. Gee&#8217;s exclusion of the Book of Abraham reflected a lack of scholarly confidence in Joseph Smith&#8217;s claims about that book of scripture in attempt to establish a &#8220;fall back position&#8221; where the Church can argue that academic challenges to the Book of Abraham should not undermine anyone&#8217;s testimony of Joseph Smith&#8217;s status as a Prophet on the theory that the book is &#8220;not central to the Restored Gospel.&#8221;  Was Dr. Gee&#8217;s statement a prelude to a change in the way the Church views, teaches, and uses the Book of Abraham?  My guess is probably not; the Church seldom seems to move that quickly.  But the Church&#8217;s relatively recent revision of the Introduction to the Book of Mormon, which was preceded by an emerging consensus among LDS scholars that the Book of Mormon action took place within a limited geography rather than upon the entire American Continent, demonstrates that these types of issues are receiving the attention of the General Authorities, and that the General Authorities are willing to adjust the Church&#8217;s claims about its books of scripture.  So perhaps something is in the works on this issue.</p>
<p><strong>5.  Warnings, admonishments, and clarifications about what the General Authorities view as being appropriate and inappropriate online discussion of LDS doctrine and history. </strong> Elder Ballard&#8217;s recent encouragement to become involved in online discussions about the Church seems to have enlarged the pool of Mormons participating in the Bloggernacle and other online discussion fora.  However, it seems only a matter of time that Church leaders will recognize that Church members&#8217; increased involvement in online discussions about Church history and doctrine will only increase the likelihood that they will come into contact with uncomfortable information that they otherwise would not have encountered.  Around 20 years ago, Elder Oaks delivered an address in which he warned Church members about participating in symposia and becoming involved with &#8220;alternate voices.&#8221;  But Elder Ballard&#8217;s encouragement to become involved in the world of online discussions seems to have departed from that approach, or to have at least created ambiguity about the degree to which faithful Church members should be involving themselves in online discussions and debates, even with the intent to defend the Church.  Will the General Authorities issue any warnings or admonishments about the &#8220;proper&#8221; way to discuss Church topics online, or the &#8220;proper&#8221; online fora to visit?  If so, it seems Elder Ballard would be the most likely Apostle to deliver that message.</p>
<p>Overall, I should say my expectations are not high that issue #2 will receive any mention in Conference.  While I do believe it is possible, it seems the Church prefers to make such statements more quietly in between Conferences, rather than making any sort of dramatic public announcement that will attract attention to an uncomfortable topic.  But I do think it&#8217;s very possible we will hear messages addressing issues #3 , #4, and #5.</p>
<p>So, what are your hopes, expectations, or predictions for this coming General Conference?</p>
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