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		<title>Pyramids-R-US</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week I spent a supper hour (it took that long) reading an article called “America’s Ruling Class – And the Perils of Revolution” by Angelo Codevilla. The overall article is well worth reading to better understand current political debates, but that wasn’t what called my attention to it as a possible subject for Mormon Matters. Rather, the following paragraph toward the end of the Article startled me: “Nothing has set the country class apart, defined it, made it conscious of itself, given it whatever coherence it has, so much as the ruling class&#8217;s insistence that people other than themselves are intellectually and hence otherwise humanly inferior. Persons who were brought up to believe themselves as worthy as anyone, who manage their own lives to their own satisfaction, naturally resent politicians of both parties who say that the issues of modern life are too complex for any but themselves. Most are insulted by the ruling class&#8217;s dismissal of opposition as mere &#8220;anger and frustration&#8221; &#8212; an imputation of stupidity &#8212; while others just scoff at the claim that the ruling class&#8217;s bureaucratic language demonstrates superior intelligence. A few ask the fundamental question: Since when and by what right does intelligence [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I spent a supper hour (it took that long) reading an article called <em>“America’s Ruling Class – And the Perils of Revolution”</em> by <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2010/07/21/america039s_ruling_class_238037.html"> Angelo Codevilla.</a></p>
<p>The overall article is well worth reading to better understand current political debates, but that wasn’t what called my attention to it as a possible subject for Mormon Matters. Rather, the following paragraph toward the end of the Article startled me:</p>
<blockquote><p>“<strong>Nothing has set the country class apart, defined it, made it conscious of itself, given it whatever coherence it has, so much as the ruling class&#8217;s insistence that people other than themselves are intellectually and hence otherwise humanly inferior.</strong> Persons who were brought up to believe themselves as worthy as anyone, who manage their own lives to their own satisfaction, naturally resent politicians of both parties who say that the issues of modern life are too complex for any but themselves. Most are insulted by the ruling class&#8217;s dismissal of opposition as mere &#8220;anger and frustration&#8221; &#8212; an imputation of stupidity &#8212; while others just scoff at the claim that the ruling class&#8217;s bureaucratic language demonstrates superior intelligence. <strong>A few ask the fundamental question: Since when and by what right does intelligence trump human equality?</strong> Moreover, if the politicians are so smart, why have they made life worse?” <strong>[Emphases added.]</strong></p></blockquote>
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<p>When I read the <strong>bolded</strong> sentences above I almost sputtered to myself. “<em>Of course, the intelligent should…”</em> And then I remembered a series of conversations I had with my wife-to-be several decades ago when I was getting my baptism into the government policy environment in the DC area and she was free-lancing as a classical musician in New York City. When I visited her, it seemed her colleagues were always complaining about how little funding there was for the arts. When we were alone together, this conversation often continued as she noted that the government seemed to have plenty of money to pay <em>me</em> well for what <em>I</em> did. (I had enough spare cash at the time to fly back and forth between the two cities; she once, I found out later, had to walk home from seeing me off at the airport.) I had initially defended my privilege with exactly the same “<em>Of course…”</em> sputtering.</p>
<p>Well, true love triumphed, and we long ago moved on to debate other issues in our marriage, but my memory of those conversations stopped the sputtering, and I could start taking the article’s <em>fundamental </em>question seriously.</p>
<p>What trumps “the worth of all persons”, to use a Community of Christ terminology? Is it intelligence, which we now measure in our culture by having accrediting bodies grant us degrees that say we are intelligent? It is a very seductive idea, until I start to examine it closely. Why does a master’s degree in physics make me more intelligent than my wife’s masters degree in classical music makes her? She can play a piano; she gets calls to do that more often than I get called upon to solve third order differential equations (and she can still do it from memory, too). Who’s more useful? How many of me does society actually need?</p>
<p>Other cultures have believed (<em>do</em> believe?) that the basis of rule should be the ability to defeat enemy armies, to belong to a divinely-favored race or gender or ethnicity, or even a dubious claim to be sired by a previous member of the ruling class.  Shouldn&#8217;t I be willing to question the basis of my belief in the rule of &#8220;intellect&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am proud of my degrees and my connections to what Codevilla’s article calls the “ruling class”. My pride shows, no matter how hard I try to become conscious of it and question my cultural assumption. Oh, oh!</p>
<p>Ancient people of many cultures built monuments to their gods. Often, it became a little confusing about whether the monuments were built to the gods, or whether the people who built them believed they <em>were</em> gods. In places like Egypt or Meso-America there eventually was no mistaking that the pyramids were about the rulers.</p>
<p>I look at the great monuments in Washington. Some are monuments to political demi-gods of the past. But some seem clearly monuments to the present rulers themselves. Oh, oh! In fact, the places you see Senators or House Representatives being interviewed on TV are not the most ornate Congressional office buildings. The newest structures have multi-floor glass walled interiors that work poorly with reflections from TV lights, so they go unseen by most people without day-to-day business there. (And why did I bother to tell you that? Oh, oh!)</p>
<p>Other monuments are ideological. If you can’t get your name on a monument (or at least an office building in your local district), get your name on a law. In the sciences, get an effect, or a theory, or an equation named after you. Win a prize. Leave your mark on history.</p>
<p>In the Book of Mormon, the falling of people into the “pride cycle” is frequently thematically associated with the wearing of “costly apparel”. Those on the fringes of the ruling class could not build monuments, but they could signal their membership in that class to everyone by what they wore. If we take Meso-America as a model, they could make themselves into living pyramids of expensive cloth, jade, or shell.</p>
<p>And the more widely those signs spread (physically or metaphorically), the more ideas like “the worth of all persons” became illusionary self-deception. The more people were excluded from the ruling class, the more strongly those still on the fringe found it necessary to justify doing ever-more-questionable things to hang on to the symbols of status. The gulf between the classes widened into violence.</p>
<p>I am very much on the “fringe” of my culture’s ruling class. I can signal my membership in that class through my university affiliations, the reports I’ve co-authored, the conferences and advisory hearings I’ve attended, and the offices of the government officials who’ve passed me written “attaboys”. I can make my pyramid out of paper, and my mark on history can last digitally until the digital formats themselves become obsolete. Oh, oh!</p>
<p>Intellectualism is not a vice. Neither is being a member of <em>any</em> elite. But could membership in a ruling &#8220;intellectual&#8221; elite be the <em>particular</em> form of the pride cycle to which our modern Western culture can be tempted?</p>
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		<title>Are you sure you&#8217;d like to live the United Order?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We had an interesting discussion on my Prayer and Politics post.  (Unfortunately, we talked more about politics than prayer.)  The discussion focused on economic policies.  Many people don&#8217;t like President Obama&#8217;s push to &#8220;redistribute wealth&#8221;.  I made the statement that &#8220;the United Order was all about redistribution of wealth, so there would be no poor among us. Brigham went out of his way to lambast capitalism’s evils.&#8221; Ken S replied that It is a Celestial Law and Terrestrial or Telestial beings are not capable of living this law. It does not use dominion or compulsion. It is completely voluntary. Moreover, Socialism/Communism is counterfeit to the law of Consecration. They are of Lucifer. The fruits of these ideologies are evil.Please don’t compare them to a Celestial Law. I did a post previously asking if you would recognize this church, because living in Utah in the 1860&#8242;s-1880&#8242;s was so different under the United Order. There was some coercion in helping ensure that there were no poor among the Utah saints.  There was pettiness.  Bored in Vernal recently posted that she would like to live the United Order, but I&#8217;m not sure most of us capitalists would enjoying living in a United Order, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had an interesting discussion on my <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/30/prayer-and-politics/">Prayer and Politics</a> post.  (Unfortunately, we talked more about politics than prayer.)  The discussion focused on economic policies.  Many people don&#8217;t like President Obama&#8217;s push to &#8220;redistribute wealth&#8221;.  <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/30/prayer-and-politics/#comment-136410">I made the statement</a> that</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;the United Order was all about redistribution of wealth, so there would  be no poor among us. Brigham went out of his way to lambast  capitalism’s evils.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/05/30/prayer-and-politics/#comment-136416">Ken S replied</a> that<span id="more-11556"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>It is a Celestial Law and Terrestrial or Telestial beings are not  capable of living this law. It does not use dominion or compulsion. It  is completely voluntary.  Moreover, Socialism/Communism is counterfeit  to the law of Consecration. They are of Lucifer. The fruits of these  ideologies are evil.Please don’t compare them to a Celestial Law.</p></blockquote>
<p>I did a post previously asking if you <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/08/31/would-you-recognize-this-church/">would recognize this church</a>, because living in Utah in the 1860&#8242;s-1880&#8242;s was so different under the United Order. There was some coercion in helping ensure that there were no poor among the Utah saints.  There was pettiness.  Bored in Vernal recently posted that <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/27/why-i-want-to-live-the-united-order/">she would like to live the United Order</a>, but I&#8217;m not sure most of us capitalists would enjoying living in a United Order, and I doubt that we would do any better than the early saints.  We don&#8217;t want to live equally; we&#8217;d rather be rewarded for our hard work.  I thought I&#8217;d review what I learned about the United Orders in Utah from the book <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1280015.Great_Basin_Kingdom_An_Economic_History_of_the_Latter_day_Saints_1830_1900_New_Edition">Great Basin Kingdom</a>.</p>
<p>These United Order enterprises were extremely effective in helping to  create an efficient workforce, producing needed products, and keeping  people employed.  It certainly was not the free market economy we&#8217;ve  come to expect today.  Mormons were encouraged to be self-sufficient.   Brigham Young started many of these enterprises, but died in 1877.  John  Taylor kept them going, and they were helpful.  Both Young and Taylor  did not want to import anything if possible, which did create some hard  feelings with non-Mormons.  Many of these anti-polygamy feelings and anti-polygamy legislation can be  traced to non-Mormons wanting to break into the Mormon market, which was  essentially a socialist-like monopoly.  There were price controls, and price discrimination between Mormons and non-Mormons.</p>
<p>There were some interesting  dynamics with these United Orders.  There is an interesting story about a pair of pants.  From  page 335,</p>
<blockquote><p>Orderville had been founded in an atmosphere of dire  poverty, and the common action which took place in the Order made it  possible for members to eat and dress better than they had for  years&#8211;better, in fact, than many residents in surrounding settlements  where United Orders had not functioned successfully.  When the Utah  Southern Railroad was completed to Milford, Utah, however, the rich  mines at Silver Reef, not far from Orderville were exploited to the  full.  Within five years, more than $10,000,000 worth of silver was  extracted.  Orderville&#8217;s neighbors, profiting from this boom, suddenly  found themselves able to buy imported clothing and other store  commodities.  The Saints at Orderville became &#8220;old  fashioned&#8221;&#8230;.Orderville adolescents began to envy the young people in  the communities&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>A young man wanted a new set of pants, but the rules of Orderville  said that all clothing must come from the same bolt of cloth.  (All were  equal, and there was no inequality among them.)  His pants had no  holes, and his request for new pants was denied.  His community raised  sheep.  From page 336,</p>
<blockquote><p>When the lambs&#8217; tails were docked, the young brother  surreptitiously gathered them and sheared off the wool which he stored  in sacks.  When he was assigned to take a load of wool to Nephi, he  secretly took the lambs&#8217; tail wool with his load and exchanged it for a  pair of store paints.  On his return, he wore his new pants to the next  dance.  His entrance caused a sensation.  The story is that one young  lady rushed to him, embraced and kissed him.  The president of the Order  demanded an explanation, and when it was truthfully given, he said:   &#8220;According to your own story these pants belong to the Order.  You are  requested to appear before the Board of Management tomorrow evening at  half past eight, and to bring the store pants with you.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the meeting, the young brother was commended for his enterprise,  but was reminded that all pants must be made of cloth from the same  bolt.  However, to prove its good will, the Board of Management agree to  have the store pants unseamed and used as a pattern for all pants made  in the future, and further, the young man in question would get the  first pair.</p></blockquote>
<p>This story made me laugh, but I think illustrates well some of the   problems we don&#8217;t think about in &#8220;utopian&#8221; societies.  As time went on these United Orders were dissolved in 1885 due to  growing anti-polygamy prosecution.  From page 337,</p>
<blockquote><p>With the disintegration of their collective institutions,  after ten years of &#8220;cooperative living,&#8221; the older members began to  reflect on the advantages of their previously enjoyed communal  experience over the encroaching spirit of competitive individualism.   The chafing under restrictive regulation, the disagreements, the  yearning for privacy were all forgotten, and their memories were sweet.   Almost every published reminiscence of life under the Order mentions it  as the closes approximation to a well-ordered, supremely happy  Christian life that was possible of achievement in human society.</p></blockquote>
<p>While there will be no poor among us in a United Order, there will be no rich either.  Many people in these United Orders complained about people that didn&#8217;t work as hard being rewarded equally.  Here&#8217;s some questions to consider:</p>
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<li>Is that how you want to live?</li>
<li>Do you agree with Ken that the United Order was completely voluntary?</li>
<li>Was coercion used to make sure everybody wore the same type of pants?</li>
<li>Do we really want  equality in our society, where there are no poor AND no rich among us?</li>
<li>Was Brigham Young&#8217;s experiment with United Order closer to socialism or (gasp) communism, than free-market capitalism?  (I&#8217;m not talking about Soviet communism, but rather communal living, and having true equality, or &#8220;no poor among us.&#8221;)</li>
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		<title>Pharisaical Observation</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote a post some time ago on whether they Pharisees were given a bad rap in the New Testament. It can be found here. One of the other bad raps against the Pharisees is that they were more concerned about the performance of the Law than the spiritual meaning of the Law. The story of the Pharisee and the Publican (Luke 18:10- 14) is meant to illustrate the point. Since modern Judaism is the outgrowth of Pharisaical Judaism, the same charge is made of the most observant Jews of our time.  More on that a bit later. In the LDS Church, we are asked to do a lot of things. Performances, if you will.  Daily prayer, multiple times a day, over meals, with spouse, family, personal and in our heart at all times; Daily scripture study, with family, spouse and personal; weekly Family Home Evening;  Monthly Home/ Visiting Teaching; Regular Temple Attendance (at least once a month) and Family History Work; Pay tithes and offerings (10% of increase plus Fast Offerings and other contributions); attend our meetings, Sunday, weekday and other; Accept and perform callings given to us by the Bishop or Stake President; Acquire, keep, use and rotate [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a post some time ago on whether they Pharisees were given a bad rap in the New Testament. It can be found <a href="../../../../../2008/09/10/pharisees-bad-guys-or-bad-rap/">here</a>. <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/men1-e1273588987903.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-11161" style="border: 3px solid black;margin: 3px" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/men1-e1273588987903.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="194" /></a>One of the other bad raps against the Pharisees is that they were more concerned about the performance of the Law than the spiritual meaning of the Law. The story of the Pharisee and the Publican (Luke 18:10- 14) is meant to illustrate the point. Since modern Judaism is the outgrowth of Pharisaical Judaism, the same charge is made of the most observant Jews of our time.  More on that a bit later.</p>
<p><span id="more-11159"></span>In the LDS Church, we are asked to do a lot of things. Performances, if you will.  Daily prayer, multiple times a day, over meals, with spouse, family, personal and in our heart at all times; Daily scripture study, with family, spouse and personal; weekly Family Home Evening;  Monthly Home/ Visiting Teaching; Regular Temple Attendance (at least once a month) and Family History Work; Pay tithes and offerings (10% of increase plus Fast Offerings and other contributions); attend our meetings, Sunday, weekday and other; Accept and perform callings given to us by the Bishop or Stake President; Acquire, keep, use and rotate a 1 year supply of food, 3 day emergency kit, supply of funds for emergencies; Strictly observe the Word of Wisdom: perform acts of services for others, meals for the sick, moving families in and out of the ward, yard work, repair work, community service, etc.;  Attend a yearly Tithing Settlement with the Bishop and a bi-yearly Temple Recommend Interview. And more.</p>
<p>These performances are meant to assist us in becoming more like our Savior and Heavenly Father. There is a spiritual meaning and intention behind each of these acts that should be carefully considered as we are doing them. These acts are not an end to themselves, but the means to an end. In most cases, they are recommended, strongly recommended and with a recommended frequency, but the regularity of performance is really a personal choice.</p>
<p>I get concerned both for myself and others that we may fall into the trap the Pharisees found themselves in. That the performances themselves begin to overshadow their meaning and the true intent. I fear that going through the motions becomes more important than real intent of the act itself.</p>
<p>For example, the purpose of Home Teaching is to “watch over the members of the Church, home teachers visit their assigned families at least once each month to teach and strengthen them. Home teachers establish a relationship of trust with these families so that the families can call upon them in times of need.” (LDS Church Website). But, if that relationship of trust is never formed because the Home Teachers do not take the time to really get to know the family and each of its members, does it really matter than they show up once a month? I realize it is a reported statistic, but what it purpose of the report? To prove we have gone through the motions?</p>
<p>Another example. Regular Temple Attendance. Most members of the Church (80%) are blessed to have a temple within 200 miles of their homes.  This means that regular attendance is more possible than ever before. The days of saving up for a lifetime to attend once and receive Temple ordnances for you and your family are rapidly coming to an end. Though, it is probably still true for some.  We only need to attend once for ourselves. The other times we go have a benefit to us and a service performed for others. We get to experience the serenity of the Temple environs, learn more of the meaning of the ordinances and provide a service for those who have passed from this life without receiving temple ordinances. But, if in striving to attend once a month as directed, we rush, do not fully pay attention and just go through the motions, are we really doing as we are asked to do? Maybe once a month isn’t possible or the right frequency for us?</p>
<p>Here are two stories from my Jewish experience.</p>
<p>Years ago, one of my great uncles was traveling in Africa (Ethiopia, I believe) and, as a very observant Jew, wanted to attend synagogue for the Sabbath. After the service, a man came up to him and, observing that my uncle had a pen in his shirt pocket, spat on him and accused him of defiling the Sabbath by carrying a pen in his pocket. Carrying a pen would be forbidden because one might be tempted to write with it on the Sabbath and that is considered work.</p>
<p>My family and I attended a large family reunion at a famous Jewish resort in the “borscht belt” of the Catskill Mountains of New York. This resort had seen its better days but was world famous in its heyday. I must admit there were more different types of Jews there than I had ever seen, from the most observant Hasidim with their black suits and peyos (side curls) to others in shorts and t-shirts. I imagine my family was the only Mormons there.</p>
<p>On Friday night, at the start of the Sabbath, one of the two elevators was set to automatic so that one need not push any buttons for it to operate. In other words, the doors open, you get in, the doors close and the elevator goes to the next floor. The doors open, people get in and out, the doors close and proceeds to the next floor. It allowed the people to ride the elevator without doing any work (pushing the buttons).</p>
<p>Well my uncle got into the non-automatic elevator with two young ladies. They asked him to push the button for floor 2 because they got into the wrong elevator. They told him they could not push the buttons themselves. He said to them that the scriptures say that they should not work nor should they make anyone else work (See Exodus 20:10).  The two young ladies looked at him with a rather quizzical look. They did not understand what he was saying.  He then pushed the button for their floor.</p>
<p>So, I worry that we, as a Church might be getting a little too carried away with the performances (the checklist as we have discussed recently) we are asked to do without the thought of the spiritual significance of what we do.</p>
<p>In some cases, if a 1 year supply is good, a 3 year supply is better. If the Word of Wisdom means abstaining from coffee and black tea, then abstaining from any caffeine, “hot” drink or chocolate is better. If going to the Temple once a month is good, going every week is better.</p>
<p>The regularity of these things is really a personal choice and should be aligned with all the other things we are doing in our life and should be based on our own spiritual growth and development. After all, the objective is to become like Jesus and Our Heavenly Father,  become the best person we can, serve others and return to live with them in the eternities, not rack up a bunch of impressive statistics.</p>
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		<title>White and Delightsome or Pure and Delightsome? (Cognitive dissonance 2)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change. I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white. We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with. I guess I better get down to what [...]]]></description>
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<p>I’m 1/16 th Chippewa and don’t even look a little Indian! I figure from my knee down is pure Chippewa and  for whatever reason  I am pretty proud of that. In the afterlife if possible I would like that section preserved if God sees fit.  Below is my Great Grandmother and Grandmother &#8212; you can see even from one generation to the next how things change.<span id="more-10643"></span></p>
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<p>I would also like to see my ancestors who are pure Chippewa with all their beautiful dark skin and get to know them as they were living on the earth before God changes their skin colour to white.</p>
<p>We have met an Elder who the sisters of all ages seem to swoon over &#8212; he is half Tongan and half Hawaiian. There is no other way to put it but he is a lady killer! We discussed this subject, and it doesn’t seem to bother him if the doctrine does literally mean white and not pure.  He doesn&#8217;t mind if he becomes white in the afterlife. It seems to disturb me more than it does him. It’s something he and his family have come to grips with.</p>
<p>I guess I better get down to what has caused my dissonance.   Here are some statements by the prophets about a Book of Mormon passage found in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=2+ne+30:6&amp;do=Search">2 Nephi 30:6</a> regarding a change Lamanites would experience if they embraced the Book of Mormon.  In every edition save one (1840), the words &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; were used.  In the 1981 edition, the editors reverted to the 1840 edition&#8217;s &#8220;pure and delightsome&#8221; wording.</p>
<p><strong>Prophet Statements</strong></p>
<p><strong>President Brigham Young </strong><br />
&#8220;You may inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines of this country are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation &#8230;When the Lord has a people, he makes covenants with them and gives unto them promises: then, if they transgress his law, change his ordinances, and break his covenants he has made with them, he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites and other portions of the house of Israel; but by-and-by they will become a white and delightsome people.&#8221; (Journal of Discourses 7:336)</p>
<p><strong>W.W. Phelps to Brigham Young quoting Joseph Smith: </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;It is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites that their posterity, may become white, delightsome and just.&#8217;&#8221; In the 8 December 1831 Ohio Star, Ezra Booth wrote of a revelation directing Mormon elders to marry with the &#8220;natives.&#8221; (Sunstone, November 1993, footnote #5, pg. 52)</p>
<p><strong>Apostle Spencer W. Kimball</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today&#8230;. The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl&#8211;sixteen&#8211;sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents&#8211;on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather&#8230;.These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.&#8221; (Apostle Elder Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967)</p>
<p><strong>2 Nephi 5:21</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 <strong>Nephi 2:12-15</strong> teaches that dark-skinned Lamanites who converted unto the Lord had their curse taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;White&#8221; versus &#8220;Pure&#8221; (Maxwell Institute)</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>According to the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon, Nephi, speaking of the latter-day restoration, discussed the future conversion of Lehi&#8217;s descendants: &#8220;And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people&#8221; (2 Nephi 30:6). In 1840 the Book of Mormon was &#8220;carefully revised by the translator,&#8221; Joseph Smith, and in that edition the expression &#8220;white and delightsome&#8221; was changed to &#8220;pure and delightsome.&#8221; This change seems to reflect the Prophet&#8217;s concern that modern readers might misinterpret this passage as a reference to racial changes rather than to changes in righteousness. Possibly his sojourns in Ohio and Missouri had altered his perspective of the racial connotations of the term <em>white</em> in the contemporary United States, particularly among slaves and slaveholders. He may not have gained much understanding of this matter during his upbringing in New England and New York State, where slavery was not as common.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for subsequent Latter-day Saint interpreters, following the Prophet&#8217;s death the changes in the 1840 edition of the Book of Mormon were not carried over into subsequent printings, which were instead based on an edition prepared by the Twelve Apostles in Great Britain after a copy of an earlier edition. The apostles, being in England, were not familiar with the 1840 edition. Consequently, Latter-day Saints did not reap the benefit of the Prophet&#8217;s clarification until it was restored in the 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon.  Some critics have been fond of citing statements of earlier Latter-day Saint leaders, who once interpreted 2 Nephi 30:6 to mean that conversion leads to a change of skin color; however, to use such statements today is anachronistic at best and disingenuous at worst since these statements were all expressed previous to the 1981 correction and merely echo a misinterpretation of the Book of Mormon text rather than the authoritative text itself. Moreover, a change in Lamanite skin color was clearly never intended by the &#8220;white/pure and delightsome&#8221; passage that the Prophet Joseph modified because it does not refer to the Lamanites at all, but to the Nephites and Jews in the latter days who turn to Christ (see 2 Nephi 30:1—7).</p>
<p>But is the Prophet&#8217;s change from &#8220;white&#8221; to &#8220;pure&#8221; justified in the scriptural context? The answer is yes. The terms <em>white</em> and <em>pure</em> are used synonymously in Daniel 7:9, Revelation 15:6, and Doctrine and Covenants 110:3. They are also found together in a number of passages where they clearly refer to those who are purified and redeemed by Christ (Alma 5:24; 13:12; 32:42; Mormon 9:6; D&amp;C 20:6). Similarly, Mormon expressed the hope that the Nephites &#8220;may once again be a delightsome people&#8221; (Words of Mormon 1:8).</p></blockquote>
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<p>Where I have dissonance or questions</p>
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<li>Is from how I understand the Book of Mormon and statements of past prophets contradict our view of it being pure today.</li>
<li>There has been no church conference talk that I am aware of clarifying the teachings of the past prophets i.e. President Kimball white vs pure. Many members I would suggest aren’t clear on our past beliefs and our current progressive belief on pure.</li>
<li>If these were president Kimball’s own personal views why haven’t the church come out with a statement expounding on this?</li>
<li>As a church, are we resolute that this was a clarification of the word white &#8212; never meant to refer to a person with dark skin pigmentation who would turn white upon a conversion to the gospel; but referring to a cleaner state of heart? This hypothesis in my mind fails to make clear other passages in the Book of Mormon that still make a connection with &#8220;iniquity&#8221; and skin color. See, for example, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=2+ne+30:6&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=2+ne+5:21%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=">2 Nephi 5:21</a> as well as past prophet statements.</li>
<li>Why did it take God 140 years to clarify this misunderstanding?</li>
<li>If we quote what President Kimball said in 1967 conference would we be considered anachronistic today?</li>
<li>Is FARMS saying Apostle Kimball’s views are out of date , old fashioned, obsolete?</li>
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		<title>The Virgin and the Whore: Thinking Beyond Dinah and Potiphar&#8217;s Wife</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #11 Lesson 11 in the Old Testament manual employs several stories from Genesis 34-39 to develop the theme of sexual morality. Joseph&#8217;s actions embody the &#8220;Lord&#8217;s standards&#8221; for morality and are contrasted with the actions of Shechem, Reuben, and Judah. You may notice that the featured characters in the lesson are all male. What shall a woman do with a lesson like this? I think the idea is for women to identify with Joseph &#8212; to be virtuous when facing temptation. But Joseph is a man, his responses are male-oriented, and intentionally or not this approach will tend to render the women in your Sunday School classroom invisible.  Consideration of the female archetypes found within these chapters may yield some surprising insights. As feminists might point out, a patriarchal &#8220;virgin/whore&#8221; stereotype divides and traps women on one side or the other.  Yet this is how our lesson is developed with regard to the female characters.  Joseph&#8217;s encounter with the wife of Potiphar introduces us to &#8220;The Whore.&#8221;  This nameless woman casts her eyes upon Joseph, and day after day entreats him to lie with her.  In a final, dramatic scene, she grabs his clothing and tears it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #11</strong></big></p>
<p><a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7255c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 11</a> in the Old Testament manual employs several stories from <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/34">Genesis 34-39</a> to develop the theme of sexual morality. Joseph&#8217;s actions embody the &#8220;Lord&#8217;s standards&#8221; for morality and are contrasted with the actions of Shechem, Reuben, and Judah.  You may notice that the featured characters in the lesson are all male.  What shall a woman do with a lesson like this?  I think the idea is for women to identify with Joseph &#8212; to be virtuous when facing temptation.  But Joseph is a man, his responses are male-oriented, and intentionally or not this approach will tend to render the women in your Sunday School classroom invisible.  Consideration of the female archetypes found within these chapters may yield some surprising insights.<span id="more-9973"></span></p>
<p>As feminists might point out, a patriarchal &#8220;virgin/whore&#8221; stereotype divides and traps women on one side or the other.  Yet this is how our lesson is developed with regard to the female characters.  Joseph&#8217;s encounter with the wife of Potiphar introduces us to &#8220;The Whore.&#8221;  This nameless woman casts her eyes upon Joseph, and day after day entreats him to lie with her.  In a final, dramatic scene, she grabs his clothing and tears it from his body as he pulls away from her and runs off.  Then she lies and accuses him of trying to rape her.</p>
<p>In the next scriptural passage the lesson covers, we meet Dinah, &#8220;The Virgin.&#8221;  As with most archetypal women figures, Dinah is shadowed and one-dimensional.  She is described as a daughter and a sister to be protected and avenged by her father and brothers. She is &#8220;defiled&#8221; by Shechem, a young man of highborn status from a neighboring town.  We are not told how she feels about this lover, whose &#8220;soul clave unto [her]&#8221; and who desired to marry her.  The lesson material tells us that Shechem did not truly love Dinah, or else he would not have defiled her.  However, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/34">Genesis 34</a> describes his offer to pay any amount for a dowry, and his willingness to join with her people, submit to circumcision, and convince all of the men in his town to do the same. In my eyes he is a tragic and romantic figure.  I wish there was more information available about Dinah&#8217;s response to this man. But the lack of detail is necessary to preserve the asexual, archetypal element of the deflowered virgin in the story.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is an unconscious arrangement for the writers of this lesson to have placed these two bilateral female archetypes side by side in the lesson material, but if so, it is all the more significant.  Archetypes are elementary ideas stemming from the unconscious.  The danger in including only these two women in the lesson is that they are both powerless.  Dinah the virgin is a victim of a powerful male, and Mrs. Potiphar the whore is also rendered powerless by the virtuous Joseph who rejects her advances.  Males in the stories are shown as individuals with the ability and strength to choose and control their sexual and moral options.</p>
<p>One might feel constrained by the material on women available in the scriptures, however, there exists within these passages a third woman who might prove to be a foil to our figurative virgin and whore.  Let us examine the lessons taught by the actions of Tamar in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/38/1-30#1">Genesis 38</a>.  Tamar is conspicuously left out of the lesson manual, though this chapter is included as part of the scripture block.  Judah&#8217;s actions are briefly contrasted with the faithfulness of Joseph.  Going back to the scripture passage, we read that Judah chose Tamar to be the wife of his eldest son, Er.  When Er died, custom dictated that the next son, Onan would marry her and provide her with children.  Onan&#8217;s refusal to properly execute his responsibility resulted in his death, and the next son, Shelah, was not old enough to marry.  Judah told Tamar to go and live with her parents until Shelah was grown, and then promptly forgot or ignored the family&#8217;s responsibilities to the widow.  Several years later, Tamar conceived a plan to remind Judah of these things.</p>
<p><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Deut+25%3A5-10&amp;do=Search">Deuteronomy 25: 5-10</a> shows that the law was on her side, and Tamar could have reported Judah to the authorities, legally loosened Judah&#8217;s shoe, and spit in his face.  But she was smarter than that.  In contrast to the other women acknowledged in the lesson, Tamar deliberately used her sexuality to affect her destiny.  Despite the fact that she lived in a culture where women had little power or choice over their own circumstances, she seized her opportunities and was rewarded for so doing.  If we reduce this gospel lesson down to following or not following a strict standard of sexual morality, we miss the potent, powerful, and purposeful choice of Tamar to initiate sex with her father-in-law.  This choice is presented in the scriptures as a faithful action.  The nuance and meaning of the word &#8220;righteous&#8221; as Judah uses it to describe Tamar is very significant in understanding whether her actions were justified. The Hebrew word used is <em>tsadaq</em>, &#8220;to be just or righteous.&#8221; This word and its derivatives are used hundreds of times throughout the Old Testament. It is used to describe the righteousness of Noah (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=gen+7%3A1&amp;do=Search">Gen. 7:1</a>), the Law (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=deut+4%3A8&amp;do=Search">Deu. 4:8</a>), David (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=deut+4%3A8&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=1+sam+24%3A17%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=%0D%0A%0D%0A">1 Sam. 24:17</a>), and even Jehovah (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&amp;last=1+sam+24%3A17&amp;help=&amp;ro=checked&amp;search=2+chr+12%3A6%0D%0A&amp;do=Search&amp;show=%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A">2 Chr. 12:6</a>). The meaning is thus: correct, right before God, or justified, in a very strong sense of the word righteous. Tamar was a woman of integrity who struck out in a creative though unorthodox way to fulfill her duty to herself and her family.  Her exploit resulted in twin sons, one of whom would continue the chosen lineage and become the progenitor of the Messiah.  Tamar is a complex human being and one of the few women in the scriptural record who is described in such a rich and nuanced manner.</p>
<p>What is more, the story of Tamar can be nicely dovetailed with a secondary message of Lesson 11, that class members &#8220;learn how to make all experiences and circumstances work together for their good.&#8221;  Surely Tamar deserves a prominent place in Lesson 11, wherever female members form part of the class population!  Don&#8217;t you agree?</p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" href="http://www.bible-art.info/images/Hans_Collaert_Antwerp_engraving_late_1500s_2.jpg"><img src="http://www.bible-art.info/images/Hans_Collaert_Antwerp_engraving_late_1500s_2.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="374" height="640" /></a></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">Engraving by Hans Collaert, Antwerp, late 1500&#8242;s.</div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">Tamar stands triumphant at the entrance of Enaim, on the road to Timanh. The staff and ring she holds signal that she has been successful in her mission to seduce Judah.  The man and woman (Tamar and Judah) in the background of the engraving suggest that coitus has already occurred &#8212; see also the neo-Latin inscription at the bottom of the image.  This engraving is unusual because it shows Tamar standing alone.  I like how it portrays her with power, a lack of regret or shame, and  a sense of mission completed!</div>
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		<title>In the Shadow of the Temple by Guest</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes. Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church. They did hundreds [...]]]></description>
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<p>A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows</p>
<p>In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. <a href="http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com/">http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com </a>The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes.</p>
<p>Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church.<span id="more-8674"></span></p>
<p>They did hundreds of hours of interviews over two years and edited it down to a 55 minute film. The film is very moving&#8211;a tribute to those who shared their stories as well as DeMillia and Lavery&#8217;s videography and editing skills.</p>
<p>About two dozen people appear in interviews in the film. Each story is unique, but a common thread runs throughout them all. All faced a similar rejection by family, friends and community.  Some of those interviewed have left the church. Others no longer believe, but remain active because of family or community pressure. The latter are filmed in shadows, to obscure their identity. The film refers to these people as “Shadow Mormons.” They define &#8220;Shadow Mormons&#8221; as those who privately do not accept the exacting doctrine of the Church, but publicly profess to be true believers. They are in shadow to protect their relationships with family, friends and employers.</p>
<p>Someone commented to me after the film, “That&#8217;s you. You&#8217;re a Shadow Mormon.”</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Shadow Mormon. Maybe that&#8217;s why this film hit me so hard. I haven&#8217;t believed in over 20 years – most of my adult life. Yet, during that time I&#8217;ve paid my tithing, gone to the temple, served in bishoprics and high councils and done all the things that were expected of me. Why? Because I am tied to the church by family and community.</p>
<p>The story of &#8220;Grace&#8221; (not her real name) resonated with me because it was so similar to mine. Her pain, and anger, were born of all the energy she has given to a religion that she doesn&#8217;t believe in. Finding out that the Church was not true was like a death experience for her. Like me, she tried following the Church&#8217;s teachings to fast, pray, read the scriptures and yet never felt she received the &#8220;burning in her bosom&#8221; that is promised in the scriptures.</p>
<p>What of the families and communities of these people? What are their stories, their experiences with loved ones who go through a process of losing belief and leaving the church. Only one person who was a family or friend agreed to be interviewed for the film. The believing husband that was interviewed told how he still loved his wife, even though she has left the church. What about the others? Are they embarrassed to say that the Church was more important than their relationship with the person who left?</p>
<p>The saddest stories, to me, were of divorce caused by one spouse believing and the other not believing. Michelle (another woman interviewed in the film) said her heart was broken that her husband would choose the Church over her. He told their marriage therapist that if she had not been Mormon he never would have married her. &#8220;There was more to me than being a Mormon,&#8221; she said.  &#8220;And I thought that there was more to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>The dictionary defines empathy as “the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.” We could all use a little more empathy for those around us. I have had several people tell me, “I can&#8217;t imagine how a person could leave the church.” Either they need a better imagination or they need more empathy.  Maybe they just need to see this film.</p>
<p>One of the questions at the screening&#8211;one that Lavery could not answer&#8211;was, “How do we get the right people to see this film?” Sadly, many members of the church would not even consider it. (It screened in Salt Lake City in October and got almost no media coverage.) The film does not try to de-convert anyone or disparage the doctrine of the church. It doesn&#8217;t assert that someone is right because he or she believes, or that someone else is right because he or she leaves the church. This film is about accepting people regardless of what they believe, and about how we treat those who believe differently than we do. I wish every member of the church could see this film.</p>
<p>Film Trailer: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
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		<title>What is the Final Destination for Apostates and Ex-Mormons?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve always taken it as a given that Mormonism&#8217;s view of the afterlife shuffle has always been more universalizing than most of the other alternatives. Our formulation of heaven intuitively accommodates for the varying levels of understanding people can achieve in this life and in the spirit world: instead of a binary &#8212; heaven and hell &#8212; we have glories of heaven. So, we can safely say that although most people aren&#8217;t Mormons, most people won&#8217;t go to &#8220;Hell,&#8221; or at least, not the kind of Hell that many non-LDS religious people want to posit for nonbelievers of their religions. Regardless of people&#8217;s disagreements with the particulars of exaltation for the celestial aspirants, things actually look pretty good for the rest of us non-celestial people. That being said, we do know that there is a divider between the glories and the non-glories. We have that ominous concept: Outer Darkness. But what does it mean? Who is it for? Just as I&#8217;ve always taken Mormonism&#8217;s after life to be so much more universal than other afterlife formulations, I&#8217;ve naturally wanted to stretch out this universalism. So, my understanding has always been that the three glories of heaven will be quite generously [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always taken it as a given that <a href="http://www.mormoninquiry.com/2006/02/good_exmos_when.html">Mormonism&#8217;s view of the afterlife shuffle</a> has always been more universalizing than most of the other alternatives. Our formulation of heaven intuitively accommodates for the varying levels of understanding people can achieve in this life and in the spirit world: instead of a binary &#8212; heaven and hell &#8212; we have glories of heaven. So, we can safely say that although most people aren&#8217;t Mormons, most people won&#8217;t go to &#8220;Hell,&#8221; or at least, not the kind of Hell that many non-LDS religious people want to posit for nonbelievers of their religions. Regardless of people&#8217;s disagreements with the particulars of <em>exaltation</em> for the celestial aspirants, things actually look pretty good for the rest of us <em>non-</em>celestial people.</p>
<p>That being said, we do know that there is a divider between the glories and the non-glories. We have that ominous concept: <em>Outer Darkness</em>. But what does it mean? Who is it for?<span id="more-8265"></span></p>
<p>Just as I&#8217;ve always taken Mormonism&#8217;s after life to be so much more universal than other afterlife formulations, I&#8217;ve naturally wanted to stretch out this universalism. So, my understanding has always been that the three glories of heaven will be quite generously populated and that outer darkness will be sparse and lonely indeed.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/11419/610319-sierra2_large.jpg"><img src="http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/11419/610319-sierra2_large.jpg" alt="Lets hope life isnt like a Sierra game" width="300" height="227" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Let&#39;s hope life isn&#39;t like a Sierra game</p></div>
<p>I took for granted that to qualify for this terrible anti-prize of complete separation, a person would have to try pretty hard. I didn&#8217;t think it was like a Sierra game, <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnwinnableByMistake">where you can accidentally and irreversibly render the entire game unwinnable within the first five minutes of turning on the game</a>. Instead, you had to do specific (and unlikely) things. Like, say, come to a fulness of the gospel, have an amazing experience as consequence of your full understanding (like, I dunno, <em>see</em> God), and then walk away from in all with rejection. And then, only after all of this, could you win your new prize of total estrangement from their Heavenly Father.</p>
<p>Even then&#8230;this consequence wouldn&#8217;t be something that God sentenced someone to. Rather, it would be an <em>individual&#8217;s</em> choice to walk away from it all after having seen so much.</p>
<p>That was how I understood it. So, when I realized that I &#8212; <em>gasp</em> &#8212; didn&#8217;t believe in the church&#8217;s teachings, the &#8220;what if&#8221; scenario for if the church ended up being correct anyway didn&#8217;t bother me. I would accept whatever I got, but my understanding was that I wouldn&#8217;t quite qualify for outer darkness.</p>
<p>&#8230;But it all hinges on what it means to have the fulness of the Gospel. After all, it might not mean the amazingness of seeing God face-to-face. We often say that <em>we</em> have the fulness of the Gospel. In this case, would this mean that all ex-Mormons are hosed?</p>
<p><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/76/31-38#31">Let&#8217;s look at some scriptures</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power—</p>
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<div>32  They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;</div>
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<div>33  For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity;</div>
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<div>34  Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come—</div>
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<div>35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.</div>
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<div>36  These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels—</div>
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<div>37  And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;</div>
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<div>38  Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath.</div>
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<p>Better off if we had never been born..?</p>
<p>The criteria here for receiving these scathing descriptors doesn&#8217;t seem too difficult to reach: just deny the Holy Ghost after having received it.</p>
<p>In the church, every member who is baptized has the laying on of hands <em>to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost</em>. If we use that as the yardstick, then wouldn&#8217;t <em>any</em> apostate become one for who &#8220;it had been better for them never to have been born&#8221;?</p>
<p>Is this scripture one of the straightforward ones&#8230;or is it one that needs to be looked at more carefully? What do you say?</p>
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		<title>Vagueness as a Gospel Principle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.    Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness;&#8221; (D&#38;C 58:26 &#8211; 27) As I read the scriptures, listen to conference talks, and other materials about the Church, I get the feeling sometimes that things can be a little vague.  Human nature seems to dictate that an absolute answer is always preferred over ambiguity and vagueness. But in the religious realm, it is not to be.  Vagueness is defined as not clear in meaning or application or, indistinctly felt, perceived, understood, or recalled; hazy. The fact that there are so many religions and religious denominations seems to confirm this idea. For instance, if there is one God, our Heavenly Father, why does He seem to manifest Himself so differently to different people, to different cultures, and at different times? For example, In the LDS Church, we believe that Baptism is an essential ordnance to enter the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.    Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, <img class="alignright size-full wp-image-8053" style="border: 3px solid black" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/SJ_Shoulder_Shrug_small.jpg" alt="SJ_Shoulder_Shrug_small" width="134" height="166" />and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness;&#8221; (D&amp;C 58:26 &#8211; 27)<span id="more-8052"></span></p>
<p>As I read the scriptures, listen to conference talks, and other materials about the Church, I get the feeling sometimes that things can be a little vague.  Human nature seems to dictate that an absolute answer is always preferred over ambiguity and vagueness.</p>
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<p>But in the religious realm, it is not to be.  Vagueness is defined as not clear in meaning or application or, indistinctly felt, perceived, understood, or recalled; hazy.</p>
<p>The fact that there are so many religions and religious denominations seems to confirm this idea. For instance, if there is one God, our Heavenly Father, why does He seem to manifest Himself so differently to different people, to different cultures, and at different times?</p>
<p>For example, In the LDS Church, we believe that Baptism is an essential ordnance to enter the kingdom of God and to progress toward eternal life and salvation.  And there are Christian denominations that echo that same idea.  However, there are just as many, maybe more, who, reading the same scriptures, deny the necessity of Baptism for salvation.  Vagueness occurs because the scriptures are not 100% clear on that point.  Within the LDS Church, the Prophet Joseph Smith did make it clear, in the Fourth Article of Faith, that Baptism is essential.</p>
<p>In another, more contemporary example, many conservative Christians and Jews, for that matter, look at scriptures in Leviticus to proclaim that Homosexual activity is wrong. (Leviticus 18:22, see also Romans 1:27, 29-31, 32) However, religious organizations and individuals more sympathetic toward the Gay Movement have interpreted those scriptures very differently and say that they do not even address the issue of homosexuality.  (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh5.htm) The scriptures do not come right out and address the issue so clearly it cannot be open to interpretation. Vagueness.</p>
<p>In Doctrine and Covenants Section 89, the Word of Wisdom verse 9, &#8220;hot drinks are not for the body or belly.&#8221; But what is a hot drink?  Anyone&#8217;s first read of that verse would lead them to conclude it was ANY drink that was HOT  That does not seem terribly vague.</p>
<p>But wait, there&#8217;s more!</p>
<p>In 1842 Hyrum Smith, Assistant President of the Church and also the Presiding Patriarch, provided an interpretation of the Word of Wisdom&#8217;s proscription of &#8220;hot drinks&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;And again &#8220;hot drinks are not for the body, or belly;&#8221; there are many who wonder what this can mean; whether it refers to tea, or coffee, or not. I say it does refer to tea, and coffee.  (<em>Times and Seasons</em>, 1842-06-01, vol. 3, p. 800.</p>
<p>But it does not refer to hot chocolate, hot herbal tea, hot barley drinks, etc. But, many have also speculated as to why coffee and tea?  Could it be the caffeine? If so, that means cola drinks, or anything else that might have caffeine in it.  You mean like chocolate? Wait a minute! I thought hot chocolate was ok? What about Mountain Dew, its not a cola drink?  Here is a case where something seems pretty straightforward but has been made somewhat vague.</p>
<p>Here are a few other topics that have been vague at one time or another:</p>
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<li>Tithing: Net or Gross?</li>
<li>New and Everlasting  Covenant of Marriage: Plurality of Wives or just Eternal marriage ( Sealing)</li>
<li>Missouri Extermination Order: Kill them or just run them out of town?</li>
<li>United Order: Voluntary or the Law of Consecration?</li>
<li>Blacks and the Priesthood:  Doctrine, policy or  just plain prejudice?</li>
<li>Many, many more</li>
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<p><strong>So why would Gospel Principles be Vague?</strong></p>
<p>First, maybe they are not all that vague.  Maybe, you need to find the right source of information. If the scriptures seem vague, what have the Living Prophets said?  If that is vague, what does the Lord tell you when you pray about it or what does the Spirit testify to you about it?  Still nothing?  What are you willing t o take on faith alone?</p>
<p>Second, We do need to develop faith. &#8220;NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.&#8221;  (Hebrews 11:1). Some things have no immediate answer and must be taken on faith alone until a later time.</p>
<p>Thirdly, we are here on earth as a test.  Ultimately, we decide for ourselves the path we walk. Like the verse at the beginning of this post, if we did not have our agency to decide for ourselves and had to be told each and every little detail, we would not progress to reach the goal of living with Our Father in Heaven and His Son throughout eternity.</p>
<p>Sure, things can be a bit vague and uncertain at times.  But it is part of the great Plan of happiness for us to endure to the end.</p>
<p>So, the question at hand is how do you deal with the vagueness and ambiguity? Perhaps you think there is none. Feel free to list your vague Gospel Principles.</p>
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		<title>The Book of Mormon and the Prosperity Gospel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, it seems that some of the other sites in the Bloggernacle have already sidebarred something about this little article from the New York Times about the Prosperity Gospel. A few lines from that article: “God knows where the money is, and he knows how to get the money to you,” preached Mrs. Copeland, dressed in a crisp pants ensemble like those worn by C.E.O.’s. &#8230; Stephen Biellier, a long-distance trucker from Mount Vernon, Mo., said he and his wife, Millie, came to the convention praying that this would be “the overcoming year.” They are $102,000 in debt, and the bank has cut off their credit line, Mrs. Biellier said. They say the Copelands rescued them from financial failure 23 years ago, when they bought their first truck at 22 percent interest and had to rebuild the engine twice in a year. Around that time, Mrs. Biellier first saw Mr. Copeland on television and began sending him 50 cents a week. Others who bought trucks from the same dealer in Joplin that year went under, the Bielliers said, but they did not. “We would have failed if Copeland hadn’t been praying for us every day,” Mrs. Biellier said. Err, odd. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, it seems that some of the other sites in the Bloggernacle have already sidebarred something about this little article <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/us/16gospel.html?_r=2&amp;ref=global-home">from the New York Times about the Prosperity Gospel</a>. A few lines from that article:</p>
<blockquote><p>“God knows where the money is, and he knows how to get the money to you,” preached Mrs. Copeland, dressed in a crisp pants ensemble like those worn by C.E.O.’s.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p>Stephen Biellier, a long-distance trucker from Mount Vernon, Mo., said he and his wife, Millie, came to the convention praying that this would be “the overcoming year.” They are $102,000 in debt, and the bank has cut off their credit line, Mrs. Biellier said.</p>
<p>They say the Copelands rescued them from financial failure 23 years ago, when they bought their first truck at 22 percent interest and had to rebuild the engine twice in a year.</p>
<p>Around that time, Mrs. Biellier first saw Mr. Copeland on television and began sending him 50 cents a week.</p>
<p>Others who bought trucks from the same dealer in Joplin that year went under, the Bielliers said, but they did not.</p>
<p>“We would have failed if Copeland hadn’t been praying for us every day,” Mrs. Biellier said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Err, odd.<span id="more-6857"></span></p>
<p>While the very concept of a prosperity gospel (which involves sending money to the pastor in order to&#8230;gain money back in blessings?) seems insane, it&#8217;s probably the idea that people like the Copelands <em>seem to be making this scheme work</em>, yet don&#8217;t seem too keen on giving back that wealth that is most interesting.</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon foretells this. In fact, the various &#8220;pride cycles&#8221; in the Book of Mormon <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/4/4#4">can be essentially summarized</a> as a process by which righteous living <em>does</em> net you economic blessings (so the Copelands and others seem to be right about <em>that</em> much at least) [Does this bother you? <a href="http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com/2008/01/do-we-really-believe-the-book-of-mormon/">TT of Faith Promoting Rumor agreed a while back</a>; even <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/14/wealth-worthiness/">we kinda addressed it</a>], but which also leads to complacency, pride, an unwillingness to freely donate to those less fortunate, and then spiritual hardheartedness (and I&#8217;m thinking we can also see this with the various prosperity gospel pastors).</p>
<p>What are some notable scriptures in the Book of Mormon that we can relate? Let&#8217;s look at <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/4/1-12#1">Alma 4: 1-12</a>. Actually, I&#8217;ll hone in even closer, on verse 8, 9, and 10.</p>
<blockquote><p>8 For they saw and beheld with great sorrow that the people of the church began to be lifted up in the pride of their eyes, and to set their <sup>a</sup><a title="TG Pride; TG Vanity; TG Worldliness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/4/8a">hearts</a> upon riches and upon the vain things of the world, that they began to be scornful, one towards another, and they began to persecute those that did <sup>b</sup><a title="Alma 1: 21." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/4/8b">not</a> believe according to their own will and pleasure.</p>
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<div>9  And thus, in this eighth year of the reign of the judges, there began to be great <sup>a</sup><a title="TG Contention." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/4/9a">contentions</a> among the people of the church; yea, there were <sup>b</sup><a title="TG Envy." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/4/9b">envyings</a>, and <sup>c</sup><a title="Alma 16: 18; TG Strife." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/4/9c">strife</a>, and malice, and persecutions, and pride, even to exceed the pride of those who did not belong to the church of God.</div>
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<div>10  And thus ended the eighth year of the reign of the judges; and the wickedness of the church was a great <sup>a</sup><a title="TG Stumblingblock." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/4/10a">stumbling</a>-block to those who did not belong to the church; and thus the church began to fail in its progress.</div>
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<p>What&#8217;s this? So it seems that the pride that comes about from this gospel-prosperity is written to <em>exceed</em> the pride of those even outside the church. This pride also led believing members, who probably felt themselves assured of their righteousness, to persecute those who did not believe. As a result, this wickedness from <em>within</em> the church was a turnoff to those <em>outside </em>the church.</p>
<p>OK, so I actually admit&#8230;this topic may have been a ruse. I don&#8217;t know or care much about Kenneth Copeland. I <em>do </em>know that <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/08/17/the-prosperity-gospel-is-a-bad-investment/">he is not setting a good or admirable example for nonbelievers, and as a result he is tarnishing the Christian brand</a>.</p>
<p>But what I got from this scripture wasn&#8217;t about <em>them</em>. It was about <em>us</em>. It wasn&#8217;t about <em>their </em>megachurch. It was about <em>our</em> church. <a href="http://cohabitationchronicles.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/what-do-anti-christs-and-capitalism-have-in-common/">Tylee85 didn&#8217;t need to pull up Korihor to find a suitable example</a>. Others have <a href="http://mohodichotomy.blogspot.com/2009/08/spiritual-ecology-pollution-in-church.html">suspected it</a>.</p>
<p>When I think about things that don&#8217;t <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/crash-course-inviting-communication/"><em>invite</em> me to continue a conversation</a>, Alma 4 actually hits it rather well. And yet too often I see members whose prides, whether its their pride in their <em>material possessions</em> or their pride in <em>the gospel they have</em>, serve as stumbling-block. Sometimes, I think members read so much about the <em>material</em> kind of pride that they forget that pride can be <em>ideological</em> too. It can lead to persecuting those who &#8220;do not believe according to their will and pleasure.&#8221;</p>
<p>But how do we avoid this, whatever our wills and pleasures are? The scriptures (and reality) aren&#8217;t so promising, with an almost <em>reliable</em> fall into pride (remember: the scriptures really don&#8217;t end on a happy note as to the fate of the Nephites.) It&#8217;s like <a href="http://www.motleyvision.org/2007/all-is-well-in-zion-three-mormon-writers-on-social-and-corporate-darwinism-part-one/">we can&#8217;t</a> (or <a href="http://thinkinginamarrowbone.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/can-you-be-a-good-mormon-and-want-to-be-a-millionaire/">shouldn&#8217;t</a>) handle prosperity, yet we still attract it. It&#8217;s a lesson we keep failing, after which we whiz through our remedial courses, come to this lesson and fail it again.</p>
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		<title>Common Scriptures in Review: Gender &amp; the Sermon on the Mount</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely LOVE the Sermon on the Mount. It is my second favorite passage in all our recorded scripture &#8211; right behind the Intercessory Prayer.  However, we often forget that it was delivered to . . . his disciples . . . not to the multitude who had gathered because of his fame.  In fact, the first verses of Matthew 5 are crystal clear as to his audience: 1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, Here is my point &#8211; my two points, really. 1) This great sermon was delivered as a higher level discourse to his most dedicated followers &#8211; including those who eventually would form the new faith of Christianity.  Its standards absolutely are not easy, and its directives absolutely are not natural. Sometimes we hold the general population of the Church (and each other and others) to these standards, while Jesus himself took great care not to do so of the general population of his followers. This often is a good example of unrealistic expectations &#8211; and of demanding others live a standard [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I absolutely LOVE the Sermon on the Mount.</strong> It is my second favorite passage in all our recorded scripture &#8211; right behind the Intercessory Prayer.  However, we often forget that it was delivered to . . . <strong>his disciples </strong>. . . not to the multitude who had gathered because of his fame.  <span id="more-6835"></span>In fact, the first verses of Matthew 5 are crystal clear as to his audience:</p>
<blockquote><p>1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:<br />
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is my point &#8211; my two points, really.</p>
<p>1) This great sermon was delivered as a higher level discourse to his most dedicated followers &#8211; including those who eventually would form the new faith of Christianity.  Its standards absolutely are not easy, and its directives absolutely are not natural.</p>
<p><strong>Sometimes we hold the general population of the Church (and each other and others) to these standards, while Jesus himself took great care not to do so of the general population of his followers. </strong>This often is a good example of unrealistic expectations &#8211; and of demanding others live a standard we ourselves are unable to master.</p>
<p>2) This great sermon was delivered mostly to the MEN who would form the leadership of his movement, even though there is no reason to believe that the listeners were all men.  (I personally believe there were women present.)</p>
<p>QUESTION:</p>
<blockquote><p>Did the gender composition of the listening group have an impact on the content of the sermon?</p></blockquote>
<p>Generally speaking, the list of attributes included in the Beatitudes are considered throughout history to be feminine.  Jesus was speaking primarily to men about how to change and grow (repent) and become godlike.  So,</p>
<p>1) Might the Sermon on the Mount have been different if the primary audience had been women?  If so, how?</p>
<p>2) How can we take the general message of repentance (change and growth and the acquisition of godly characteristics) and use it to achieve the proper balance we need to become &#8220;perfect&#8221; (complete, whole, fully developed)?</p>
<p>3) Must every individual acquire all the characteristics listed &#8211; or can a spouse/companion share that endeavor and, between two, create one united, balanced, &#8220;prefect&#8221; whole?</p>
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		<title>Highway 61 Re-revisited: Fear and Trembling before Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh God said to Abraham, &#8220;Kill me a son&#8221; Abe says, &#8220;Man, you must be puttin&#8217; me on&#8221; God say, &#8220;No.&#8221; Abe say, &#8220;What?&#8221; God say, &#8220;You can do what you want Abe, but The next time you see me comin&#8217; you better run&#8221; Well Abe says, &#8220;Where do you want this killin&#8217; done?&#8221; God says, &#8220;Out on Highway 61.&#8221; (Bob Dylan)   Soren Kierkegaard (1813-1855) has written about the experience of Faith.  His short book &#8216;Fear and Trembling&#8217; discusses the experience of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son Isaac, and his subsequent designation as the &#8216;Father of Faith&#8217;.  This is probably not the place for an in-depth discussion of this book but I want to outline his views because it asks some important questions about what Faith is, how we exercise it and its fruits. The first section of the book, is entitled, &#8216;Attunement&#8217;.  In this Kierkegaard explores a number of different narratives that may have occured as Abraham takes his son up the mount.  In one he characterises Abraham as scared, in another he is fearless, in another he is angry.  To me it seems that Kierkegaard is trying to help us realise that Abraham&#8217;s faith was not [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>Oh God said to Abraham, &#8220;Kill me a son&#8221;<br />
Abe says, &#8220;Man, you must be puttin&#8217; me on&#8221;<br />
God say, &#8220;No.&#8221; Abe say, &#8220;What?&#8221;<br />
God say, &#8220;You can do what you want Abe, but<br />
The next time you see me comin&#8217; you better run&#8221;<br />
Well Abe says, &#8220;Where do you want this killin&#8217; done?&#8221;<br />
God says, &#8220;Out on Highway 61.&#8221;</em> (Bob Dylan)</p>
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<p>Soren Kierkegaard (1813-1855) has written about the experience of Faith.  His short book &#8216;Fear and Trembling&#8217; discusses the experience of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son Isaac, and his subsequent designation as the &#8216;Father of Faith&#8217;.  This is probably not the place for an in-depth discussion of this book but I want to outline his views because it asks some important questions about what Faith is, how we exercise it and its fruits.<span id="more-6332"></span></p>
<p>The first section of the book, is entitled, &#8216;Attunement&#8217;.  In this Kierkegaard explores a number of different narratives that may have occured as Abraham takes his son up the mount.  In one he characterises Abraham as scared, in another he is fearless, in another he is angry.  To me it seems that Kierkegaard is trying to help us realise that Abraham&#8217;s faith was not just in the act itself, but was exercised in every step in his journey?</p>
<p>Kierkegaard then poses a series of questions that the story of Abraham raises: but prior to that he outlines his view of faith as being able to give up everything and trust that you will receive it again on the strength of the absurd.  In other words, Abraham had faith because he gave up his son, but trusted he would be given back to him regardless of how absurd this hope was.  Is faith exercised in the absurd, or does it rest in the rational or logical?  I have always leaned toward the latter because I have been taught to study it out in my mind, but Kierkegaard&#8217;s challenge has made me re-think.  Is it not absurd to believe that Jesus has suffered for our sins?</p>
<p>The first question regards whether what is ethical can be suspended?  Can Abraham&#8217;s act to sacrifice his son (or Nephi&#8217;s act) be considered good despite it being unethical, or even contrary to God&#8217;s &#8216;general&#8217; commandments?  Does faith lead us to do things that are contrary to the commandments?  If not what do we do with Abraham and Nephi, because it seems they are to be damned?</p>
<p>The second question asks whether there is an absolute duty to God?  In a similar way Joseph Smith said &#8216;whatever God requires is right&#8217;!  Is this correct?  Do you believe that God would give you as an individual a specific command that might contradict what is more widely accepted as right?</p>
<p>The final question asks whether it was ethically defensible to conceal from Sariah or Isaac what he was going to do?</p>
<p>In each case Kierkegaard does not give an answer but leaves us with an either/or.  Either the ethical can be suspended,and their is an absolute duty to God and it is ethically defensible to conceal his intent or Abraham is not the &#8216;Father of Faith&#8217;?  My problem then is that I am not sure I can have this kind of faith, because it asks things of me that I feel unable to do.  Moreover, I am not even sure that I would want to have this kind of faith.  This is, probably, Kierkegaard&#8217;s intent.</p>
<p>I remember, as a naive Missionary, discussing with someone Joseph Smith&#8217;s practice of polygamy, which for me has many parallels with how Kierkegaard frames Abraham&#8217;s experience .  He argued that it was sinful.  I countered that it was practised in the Bible.  He said that it was for that time only, not now.  I asked, &#8216;if God asked you to practice polygamy would you do it?&#8217;   He said, &#8216;No&#8217;.  I smugly retorted, &#8216;Then that is why you are not a Prophet and Joseph Smith was&#8217;!  Unsurprisingly, he did not let us teach him.  I regret this now, not only because I was an arrogant 20 year old who was supposed to be an ambassador of Christ, but also because I see more clearly the dilemma of doing something so reprehensible to our values that it is absurd, and that this may be the real test of our faith? A test I am unsure I would pass.  But is this something God asks of us at all?  (This is not intended to be a discussion of polygamy).</p>
<p><img class=" alignright" src="http://www.journeywithjesus.net/Essays/Soren_Kierkegaard.jpg" alt="Soren Kierkegaard" width="200" height="268" /></p>
<p>So what do you think? </p>
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<li>Do you have faith in the way Abraham does? </li>
<li>Would you do anything God asked of you? </li>
<li>Do you believe the story of Abraham or Nephi are literal and if so how do reconcile what they did with Christian Ethics? </li>
<li>If they are myths what is the lesson to be learned from these stories?</li>
<li>Is Kierkegaard wrong in his logic? </li>
<li>Can faith be rational or is the irrational the foundation of faith?</li>
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		<title>How do we earn our morals?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A while back on my blog, Seth R (usually of 9 Moons fame) posted a lengthy and detailed comment about the deficiencies of liberal religion (particularly of a hypothetical liberal Mormon denomination) and also the deficiencies of our current orthodoxy. I took a stab at part of his comment in a post on my blog, wondering if it&#8217;s possible for the church to be complacent. But there was another curious (if bold) comment he had made&#8230;he points out how he feels in certain areas he hasn&#8217;t earned his morals, and that many members aren&#8217;t &#8220;earning&#8221; their morals. If one isn&#8217;t truly &#8220;earning his morals&#8221; from following guidance like the Word of Wisdom or the Law of Chastity, then how do we avoid or move past simply practicing a modern and vain form of legalism? The meaningful part for this discussion was: I worry that Brigham Young’s fears may be prophetic – the LDS Church cannot stand wealth. It cannot withstand success. We have grown fat and complacent in our certainties and blessings. We have taken our moral rightness for granted. We have taken our status as chosen people for granted.We have been given a pearl of great price, and thus [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while back on my blog, Seth R (usually of <a href="http://www.nine-moons.com/seth-rogers/">9 Moons fame</a>) posted a <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/what-kind-of-person-stays-mormon/#comment-1828">lengthy and detailed comment</a> about the deficiencies of liberal religion (particularly of a hypothetical liberal Mormon denomination) and also the deficiencies of our current orthodoxy. I took a stab at part of his comment in a post on my blog, wondering if it&#8217;s possible for<a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/is-mormonism-complacent-conservative-christianity/"> the church to be complacent</a>.</p>
<p>But there was another curious (if bold) comment he had made&#8230;he points out how he feels in certain areas he hasn&#8217;t <em>earned his morals</em>, and that many members aren&#8217;t &#8220;earning&#8221; their morals. If one isn&#8217;t truly &#8220;earning his morals&#8221; from following guidance like the Word of Wisdom or the Law of Chastity, then how do we avoid or move past simply practicing a <a href="http://ldstalk.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/legalisms-place-in-christianity/">modern and vain form of legalism</a>?</p>
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<p>The meaningful part for this discussion was:</p>
<blockquote><p>I worry that Brigham Young’s fears may be prophetic – the LDS Church cannot stand wealth. It cannot withstand success. We have grown fat and complacent in our certainties and blessings. We have taken our moral rightness for granted. We have taken our status as chosen people for granted.We have been given a pearl of great price, and thus far, we seem content to use it as a paperweight.</p>
<p>That is the fundamental flaw with Mormon fundamentalism. It’s smug. It’s prideful. It’s complacent. It takes it’s own blessed status with God for granted&#8230;</p>
<p>The trouble with the “cultural conservative” view in Mormonism&#8230;is not that they advocate for strong morals. The problem is that they really did nothing to earn those morals.</p>
<p>I never slept with any woman before my wedding night. But, while I am grateful for that, I take no moral self-satisfaction from it. The truth is, I didn’t have sex with girls before then because I was raised not to. And frankly, I was too shy as a teenager to ever get to the point with a girl where sex was even a possibility. I earned no right to feel smug about my “purity” as opposed to the drunk frat boys I kept hearing about. What did I earn? What basis for pride on the issue did I ever have?</p>
<p>But modern Mormon culture takes exactly this position. The modern generation of Mormons rest on laurels they have not earned, tout morals that are not truly theirs, and pray to a God that they cannot know – because their preconceptions keep getting in the way.</p>
<p>The cry of “all is well in Zion” has gone on long enough. I think I’d like to see some new sermons.</p></blockquote>
<p>How can one truly earn his morals? I mean, obviously, a drunk frat boy who converts will see the clear distinction between his past and present life (and the hope is that he&#8217;ll feel he&#8217;s moved &#8220;up&#8221;)&#8230;but that&#8217;s it wouldn&#8217;t be safe to say that all of the BIC youth should be shuffled into big sin <em>just</em> to show them what it&#8217;s like.</p>
<p>Or is the point simply that we shouldn&#8217;t take moral self-satisfaction <em>anyway</em>? After all, if we&#8217;re all counseled to be humble, isn&#8217;t it silly to dash all that away by being <em>proud</em> of having the Gospel when instead one should remain humble to have it?</p>
<p>And relating to that legalism thing&#8230;are we fulfilling the spirit of things through our obedience to the letter of things? Or is the the case that unearned morals still obstruct our view of trying to show true charity to others?</p>
<p>Do you think Seth is on to something, or is he just an angry, angry man?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The message of the Gospel of Christ could be encapsulated in a few adjectives, such as: love (Charity), repentance, forgiveness and service.  But how should we forgive?  Should we follow the example of God, who promises his saints that when they repent he will remember those sins no more (D&#38;C 58:42).  The Church as an institution does not seem to think so as it seems to have a pretty good memory when it comes to the sins of its members.  Is this consistent with the Gospel message? The reason I highlight this is because there are certain callings within the Church that make it impossible, or at least very unlikely, for you to have if you have been involved in certain activities.  I am sure that these people do not seek for these types of callings.  I highlight this as an apparent &#8216;inconsistency&#8217; between scripture and practice.  For example, over the years there has been some flip-flopping on the issue of Divorce and being a Bishop.  It seems that with current levels of divorce so high that the Church can no longer not have those people as possible candidates, when in the past they have made that restriction. Any records of Church disciplinary councils are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The message of the Gospel of Christ could be encapsulated in a few adjectives, such as: love (Charity), repentance, forgiveness and service.  But how should we forgive?  Should we follow the example of God, who promises his saints that when they repent he will remember those sins no more (D&amp;C 58:42).  The Church as an institution does not seem to think so as it seems to have a pretty good memory when it comes to the sins of its members.  Is this consistent with the Gospel message?<span id="more-6317"></span></p>
<p>The reason I highlight this is because there are certain callings within the Church that make it impossible, or at least very unlikely, for you to have if you have been involved in certain activities.  I am sure that these people do not seek for these types of callings.  I highlight this as an apparent &#8216;inconsistency&#8217; between scripture and practice.  For example, over the years there has been some flip-flopping on the issue of Divorce and being a Bishop.  It seems that with current levels of divorce so high that the Church can no longer not have those people as possible candidates, when in the past they have made that restriction.</p>
<p>Any records of Church disciplinary councils are kept at Church headquarters (they are destroyed after a short-time in the local areas) presumably so that callings that need to be ratified by the First Presidency or Quorum of the Twelve can check to see if there are any issues.  Further if an individual commits some sins then these become annotated permantly on your membership record.  An example here is being involved in child abuse or pornography.  This means that you cannot have callings with children.</p>
<p>How far then does forgiveness go?</p>
<p>Are there cases when this type of policy is justifiable?  If so which?</p>
<p>If we believe in true repentance why does the Church need to check their past, presumably because they want to see if they are likely to do something again in the future?  Is this faulty reasoning?</p>
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		<title>Alexander Doniphan and the Limits of Dissent</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Story of Alexander Doniphan is well-known and probably does not need to be recounted here (For more information see Mormon Heretics Post &#8211; A Memorial Day Jack Mormon or see this).  Very simply: when a number of the leaders of the Church were threatened with execution the man asked to carry it out, Alexander Doniphan, refused to do so on the grounds that he thought it was illegal.  He is now recounted in LDS history as an example of integrity.  However, his refusal is also an example of dissent and viewed from another point of view would not be lauded as it now is.  For example, if a Stake President refuses to excommunicate someone, at the request of a higher General Authority, because they feel that is the right thing to do, would their integrity be praised?  Is there a way of valuing LDS dissenters and what is the criteria for doing so? I want to use the example of Hugh Nibley as someone who successfully navigated this treacherous path.  He has written: “There may be things about the Church that I find perfectly appalling. But I know the gospel is true.” [1]  Many of his more popular writings have been [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: left">The Story of Alexander Doniphan is well-known and probably does not need to be recounted here (For more information see Mormon Heretics Post &#8211; <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/25/a-memorial-day-jack-mormon/">A Memorial Day Jack Mormon </a>or see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_William_Doniphan">this</a>).  Very simply: when a number of the leaders of the Church were threatened with execution the man asked to carry it out, Alexander Doniphan, refused to do so on the grounds that he thought it was illegal.  He is now recounted in LDS history as an example of integrity.  However, his refusal is also an example of dissent and viewed from another point of view would not be lauded as it now is.  For example, if a Stake President refuses to excommunicate someone, at the request of a higher General Authority, because they feel that is the right thing to do, would their integrity be praised?  Is there a way of valuing LDS dissenters and what is the criteria for doing so?<span id="more-6159"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left">I want to use the example of Hugh Nibley as someone who successfully navigated this treacherous path.  He has written: “There may be things about the Church that I find perfectly appalling. But I know the gospel is true.” [1]  Many of his more popular writings have been critical of the Church&#8217;s culture and leadership and yet he is accepted and even quoted.  He even published with Signature Books; which as you know is just asking for trouble.  Neal A. Maxwell has said: &#8220;Hugh, of course, is above the fray not in the sense of his being esoteric or highly advanced but likewise I think his commitment has been so visible and so pronounced and so repetitively stated so that&#8217;s not even the issue.  So then we get on to what is Hugh saying?&#8221; [2] </p>
<p style="text-align: left">Is it enough to be visible, vocal and pronounced about your commitment?  Michael Quinn believes that his essay on <a href="http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/dialogue&amp;CISOPTR=15581&amp;REC=7">Post-Manifesto Polygamy </a>was one of the reasons that he was excommunicated[3] and yet this essay has a declaration of his continued <a href="http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/dialogue&amp;CISOPTR=15581&amp;REC=7">faith in the Gospel</a>.   In addition, I have heard many who fear being ostracised or disciplined for views they espouse online, even if they would fall under the category of things you find &#8216;perfectly appalling&#8217;.  It seems to me that there is an acceptable limit to dissent, but where is that limit?  What else is required to be within the limits of faithful dissent?</p>
<p style="text-align: left">Lowell Bennion argues that we do not have to &#8220;accept any interpretation of scripture (I would add this applies to any &#8216;revelation or direction&#8217;) that denies the impartiality or love of God or the free agency and brotherhood of man. These concepts are too basic to the gospel to be denied by someone&#8217;s interpretation of a verse of scripture”[4]  or a policy.  Bennion suggests that we can legitimately dissent if we can justify it upon the basic ethical principles of Christ&#8217;s message (like Doniphan did).  Yet, to what extent is this a viable option for individuals within the Church? Eugene England shares the experience of being a Sunday School teacher for a few weeks before being released for expressing his &#8217;liberal&#8217; views on some sections of the O.T.[5].  Clearly this was not an acceptable level of dissent.</p>
<p style="text-align: left">In addition <a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html">Jeffrey R. Holland </a>has discussed the line(s) of faithful dissent in the extreme cases.  He has said &#8220;We don&#8217;t discipline people in this church for very much.&#8221;  Moreover, he thinks the &#8220;church has a history of being very, very generous.&#8221;  In addition he argues that there are &#8221;lines&#8221; plural that members should not cross, if they want to retain the blessings of being a member of the Church.  He believes that &#8220;The chief among these is the issue of advocating against the church&#8221; because then &#8220;the institution itself cannot retain its identity and still allow that&#8221;.  For example, he notes that &#8220;There are plenty of people who question the historicity of the Book of Mormon, and they are firmly in this church and the church isn&#8217;t going to take action against that. [The church] probably will be genuinely disappointed, but there isn&#8217;t going to be action against that, not until it starts to be advocacy: &#8220;Not only do I disbelieve in the authenticity of the Book of Mormon, I want you to disbelieve.&#8221;" Yet it seems to me that there is a fine line between advocacy and discussing, raising questions and writing about these issues.</p>
<p style="text-align: left">Questions:</p>
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<li>Where do you see the limit of Faithful Dissent? </li>
<li>Why is a declaration of commitment and faith not enough in some cases?</li>
<li>Is there a space for dissent within the Church upon ethical principles, like Bennion argues?</li>
<li>Does Elder Holland sound like he is accurately defining that limit and do you agree that this is an appropriate limit?</li>
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<p style="text-align: left">Notes:</p>
<p style="text-align: left">1. Hugh Nibley, <em>Nibley on the Timely and the Timeless</em> [Provo: BYU Religious Studies Center, 1978], xvii.</p>
<p style="text-align: left">2. Neal A. Maxwell, <em>Faith of an Observer</em> [Provo: BYU &amp; FARMS, 1985].  A Transcript is available <a href="http://www.bhporter.com/Hugh%20Nibley/The%20Faith%20of%20an%20Observer%20Conversations%20with%20hugh%20Nibley.pdf">here</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: left">3. Michael Quinn, Transcript for <em>The Mormons</em>, PBS [online].  A Transcript is available <a href="http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/quinn.html">here</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: left">4. Lowell L. Bennion, <em>The Best of Lowell L. Bennion: Selected Writings 1928-1988,</em> edited by Eugene England [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1988], 208.</p>
<p style="text-align: left">5. Eugene England, <em><a href="https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/index.php?option=com_backissues&amp;task=contents&amp;issue=115">Why the Church is as True as the Gospel </a></em>in Sunstone [Salt Lake City: Sunstone Education Foundation, Dec 1999].</p>
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		<title>Good Man Gone</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 06:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A week ago, I attended the viewing and funeral of a man in our stake who died of an unexpected heart attack.  He was in his 50&#8242;s, had just been to the doctor and been pronounced fit as a fiddle, was losing weight and feeling great. He was the Bishop of his ward, and his wife had been cancer free for just over a year.  His son flew home for the weekend, after which he returned to finish his mission. I spoke with his wife briefly at the viewing, and something she said has been weighing on my mind ever since.  She said, essentially: He lost his mother about six weeks ago, and his aunt passed away five days later.  We had reached peace with death and were focused on life. I know it will be hard in a couple of weeks when everyone gets back to their own lives and I am alone to deal with not having him here, but I believe in the Atonement, the Plan of Salvation and the promises of the temple.  It will be hard, but I will be OK. What I want to share from this experience is not related directly to those [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A week ago, I attended the viewing and funeral of a man in our stake who died of an unexpected heart attack.  He was in his 50&#8242;s, had just been to the doctor and been pronounced fit as a fiddle, was losing weight and feeling great.</p>
<p>He was the Bishop of his ward, and his wife had been cancer free for just over a year.  His son flew home for the weekend, after which he returned to finish his mission. <span id="more-5347"></span>I spoke with his wife briefly at the viewing, and something she said has been weighing on my mind ever since.  She said, essentially:</p>
<blockquote><p>He lost his mother about six weeks ago, and his aunt passed away five days later.  <strong>We had reached peace with death and were focused on life.</strong> I know it will be hard in a couple of weeks when everyone gets back to their own lives and I am alone to deal with not having him here, but I believe in the Atonement, the Plan of Salvation and the promises of the temple.  It will be hard, but I will be OK.</p></blockquote>
<p>What I want to share from this experience is not related directly to those things she mentioned at the end (the Atonement, Plan and temples), but what she said at the beginning &#8211; being at peace.</p>
<p>As much as anything else, when I die I want to be at peace with death &#8211; <strong>but I also want to be at peace with life</strong>.  I don&#8217;t want to be bitter or angry or upset before I die &#8211; and I don&#8217;t want to live in that state, either; I want to be at peace.</p>
<p>I believe that is up to me &#8211; that it is my responsibility.  The natural man inclination is to blame others for our feelings &#8211; for whether or not we are at peace.  I understand the necessity for anger, grief and/or cognitive dissonance when certainty is shattered, ambiguity accelerates and testimony is tried.  I really do get that need.  However, I believe reconciliation of some kind that leads to peace and charity is critical.</p>
<p>I wish I had an easy answer.  I wish I had a universal, practical method that I knew would work for every individual.  The only answer I have is that there is peace in letting go &#8211; that there is peace in cutting others slack &#8211; there is peace in real charity &#8211; there is peace in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  <strong>There isn&#8217;t always peace in the human organizations in which that Gospel is interpreted and taught, just as there isn&#8217;t always peace in even the most ideal families</strong>, but the peace the Gospel brings can influence and strengthen the peace that then can be brought individually into the Church &#8211; the community of spiritual family.</p>
<p>I hope I or my wife never has to deal with what this good Bishop&#8217;s wife is experiencing right now and in the near future.  I hope we die together, at a ripe old age.  More than that, however, I hope that when either of us dies, the other is at peace &#8211; <strong>because she or I simply has become a peaceful person</strong>.</p>
<p>As I strive to be a peacemaker and, thereby, to be called a child of God, I understand that the first peace I must influence and create is within my own heart and soul &#8211; that I can&#8217;t spread peace externally unless I am at peace internally.  For those who now are NOT at peace, I hope they can look for peace even before understanding.  That might seem counter-intuitive at first, but I believe peace can bring understanding &#8211; and that understanding, in and of itself, rarely brings peace &#8211; largely because the quest for understanding never ends.  Peace, on the other hand, can last and endure even during circumstances that cannot be understood &#8211; like the unexpected death of a good Bishop.</p>
<p>God bless you, Denny.  You will be missed.</p>
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		<title>Defining Lust and Chastity</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 06:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew 5:27-28 includes the statement: &#8220;Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.&#8221; Rather than debate that statement, although I am open to discussing it here, I want to focus on an underlying issue within something to which we refer frequently as the &#8220;Law of Chastity&#8221;.  My primary focus is on the injunction regarding eliminating &#8220;lust&#8221; &#8211; and particularly how it can be avoided no matter one&#8217;s surroundings and exposure. This a result partly of the long, interesting discussion we had recently about &#8220;naturism&#8221; &#8211; but I don&#8217;t want to rehash that discussion here.  Rather, I want to focus on one of the underlying currents that seemed to flow beneath the discussion. Rather than being hyper-sensitive to any and all possibilities for sexual stimulation and avoiding all such exposure, I believe the godly way to avoid the type of temptation embodied in &#8220;looking upon a woman to lust after her&#8221; is found in an expansive definition of &#8220;chastity&#8221; &#8211; one that goes beyond the more limited definition of avoiding &#8220;sexual&#8221; activity, &#8220;sexual&#8221; images or sexuality that too many people assume. First, &#8220;lust&#8221; is used in this passage as a verb [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/5/27-28#27">Matthew 5:27-28</a> includes the statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Rather than debate that statement, although I am open to discussing it here, I want to focus on an underlying issue within something to which we refer frequently as the &#8220;Law of Chastity&#8221;.  My primary focus is on the injunction regarding eliminating &#8220;lust&#8221; &#8211; and particularly how it can be avoided no matter one&#8217;s surroundings and exposure. This a result partly of <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/04/06/families-forver-naked-and-not-ashamed/">the long, interesting discussion we had recently about &#8220;naturism&#8221;</a> &#8211; but I don&#8217;t want to rehash that discussion here.  Rather, I want to focus on one of the underlying currents that seemed to flow beneath the discussion.<span id="more-5227"></span></p>
<p>Rather than being hyper-sensitive to any and all possibilities for sexual stimulation and avoiding all such exposure, I believe the godly way to avoid the type of temptation embodied in &#8220;looking upon a woman to lust after her&#8221; is found in an expansive definition of &#8220;chastity&#8221; &#8211; one that goes beyond the more limited definition of avoiding &#8220;sexual&#8221; activity, &#8220;sexual&#8221; images or sexuality that too many people assume.</p>
<p>First, &#8220;lust&#8221; is used in this passage as a verb &#8211; so, in this verse&#8221;to lust&#8221; appears to mean:</p>
<blockquote><p>to express or feel uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; to have have an excessive craving for</p></blockquote>
<p>Conversely, the definition for &#8220;chaste&#8221; that opposes this construct best is:</p>
<blockquote><p>Pure in thought and act; innocent; free from lewdness and obscenity, or indecency in act or speech; modest (as, a chaste mind; chaste eyes).</p></blockquote>
<p>The interesting association in this definition is the use of the word &#8220;modest&#8221; &#8211; which in context is defined as: &#8220;limited or moderate in amount, extent, etc.&#8221; In other words, taking both of these definitions in the context of the admonition in Matthew, the underlying characteristic that Jesus appears to be addressing is &#8220;moderation&#8221; or &#8220;control&#8221; &#8211; being able to see and appreciate physical beauty without going to any extreme, without including &#8220;lewdness, obscenity, indecency, lust, etc.&#8221; This is a much more comprehensive and fundamentally empowering / liberating view of &#8220;chastity&#8221; than a simple abstinence from proscribed activities &#8211; which manifests itself generally as a negative and constricting principle. Also, <span style="font-weight: bold;">and this is critical</span>, the definition highlights being &#8220;chaste&#8221; as something primarily existing within the individual.</p>
<p>I am reminded of a story I heard once. I don&#8217;t know if it is historically accurate, but it illustrates this characteristic in a very simple and direct way. According to this story, a woman notorious for traveling in the nude (Lady Godiva, perhaps) was passing a group of religious leaders (the Pope and some Cardinals, perhaps). One of the Cardinals told everyone to cover their eyes and look away, but the Pope did not do so. The woman saw the reaction her passing had created, including the fact that the Pope did not look away &#8211; and she asked him why he did not do so. His response was something like:</p>
<blockquote><p>You are a daughter of God, and he has blessed you with great beauty. I appreciate that gift God has given and praise him for his gracious gift, so why would I look away?</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe it is important to remember that Adam and Eve covered their nakedness only after Satan pointed out that they were naked and that others would see it. I mention this simply to stress that the typical restrictions we employ as a part of this mortal existence are in place NOT because physicality and sexuality are bad things, but because we do not want to place undue temptation and stimulation in the path of others &#8211; we do not want them to &#8220;look upon a (wo)man to lust after her (him)&#8221; due to our actions.</p>
<p>However, if all were &#8220;chaste&#8221; in their thoughts and deeds, such restrictions would not be necessary. In other words, we seek &#8220;modesty&#8221; (moderation) in dress as an attempt to strike a proper balance between the ideal of chastity we desire and the practical state of lustfulness by which we are surrounded &#8211; between where we wish we were (as individuals and/or a society) and where we actually are.</p>
<p>True &#8220;chastity,&#8221; therefore, includes not only conforming to reasonable societal constraints intended to avoid placing temptation in the path of others but also having our hearts changed to not be tempted no matter our surroundings &#8211; <strong>to not &#8220;lust after her&#8221; even when &#8220;looking upon a woman&#8221; cannot be avoided.</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a simple solution or suggestion for all &#8211; or even for any particular individual. I know it is neither the extreme conservatism of the Taliban in Afghanistan nor the extreme liberalism of South Beach, Florida &#8211; but I know that I must be able to walk in either world and be free of &#8220;lust&#8221; in order to fulfill the standard Jesus holds up in these verses.</p>
<p>In summary, my being chaste in thought and deed is <span style="font-weight: bold;">MY</span> responsibility. I can&#8217;t blame the environment around me &#8211; or those whose appearance &#8220;naturally&#8221; might tempt me &#8211; or claim the devil made me do it. I must change myself ultimately, even if I first must change my exposure and environment until I reach the point where they no longer matter. I shouldn&#8217;t dive into tempting situations recklessly, simply in order to test my control, but rather I can change my thoughts and actions until I can face such situations without temptation. If I never reach that ultimate objective, I must continue to structure my environment to reduce temptation, but eliminating all possible temptation can never be the default.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>In this passage, the woman is <span style="font-weight: bold;">NOT</span> at fault for her beauty or her &#8220;seuxality&#8221; or anything else; the man is at fault for how he reacts.</strong> While I believe in modesty in dress, at the most fundamental level the one being viewed is not &#8220;guilty&#8221; of causing the viewer&#8217;s reaction.  There are cases where s/he certainly bears some responsibility when acting in reckless disregard to the sensibilities of others, but at the most basic level the primary responsibility (at the very least) rests with the one &#8220;looking&#8221; to not &#8220;lust&#8221;.</p>
<p>At its most fundamental level, I believe &#8220;chastity&#8221; is <span style="font-weight: bold;">NOT</span> a restriction imposed externally; it is a characteristic developed internally.</p>
<p><em>Thoughts? </em></p>
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		<title>Who Should Go to Church, Anyway?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So over at T&#38;S they&#8217;ve been having this discussion about the recent media report about the majority of America&#8217;s drifiting faith issues. And I know, you&#8217;re about to say, &#8220;Dude, this isn&#8217;t T&#38;S. We do things differently at Mormon Matters,&#8221; and I understand. And while I discussed this a bit at my blog, I most definitely know we do things differently here than there. So I wanted to try to approach the subject differently here and add some value (well&#8230;perhaps I won&#8217;t be so successful at this latter endeavor.) My question is this&#8230;who should go to church and what should we expect of the people who go to church? Recently over at T&#38;S (and I guess it&#8217;s spilled over in some comments in this latest article), there has been a tone that suggests that Cafeteria, Middle-of-the-way, or New Order Mormons are (or should be) a concern to the church. As Bookslinger comments, I think the drift within the LDS church is also illustrated in the bloggernacle, not just those who’ve formally left the church, but also new order Mormons and middle-way Mormons. There are also those who claim to be solidly in the Mormon camp, but still attenuate some core [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So over at T&amp;S they&#8217;ve been having this discussion about the recent media report about the majority of <a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/musings-on-drifting-faith/">America&#8217;s drifiting faith issues</a>. And I know, you&#8217;re about to say, &#8220;Dude, this isn&#8217;t T&amp;S. We do things differently at Mormon Matters,&#8221; and I understand. And while I <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/who-do-we-want-to-keep-in-the-church/">discussed this a bit at my blog</a>, I most <em>definitely</em> know we do things differently here than there. So I wanted to try to approach the subject differently here and add some value (well&#8230;perhaps I won&#8217;t be so successful at this latter endeavor.)<span id="more-5176"></span></p>
<p>My question is this&#8230;who should go to church and what should we expect of the people who go to church? Recently over at T&amp;S (and I guess it&#8217;s spilled over in <a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/musings-on-drifting-faith/#comment-290456">some comments</a> in this latest article), there has been a tone that suggests that Cafeteria, Middle-of-the-way, or New Order Mormons are (or should be) a concern to the church. As Bookslinger comments,</p>
<blockquote><p>I think the drift within the LDS church is also illustrated in the bloggernacle, not just those who’ve formally left the church, but also new order Mormons and middle-way Mormons. There are also those who claim to be solidly in the Mormon camp, but still attenuate some core beliefs. In addition to the cafeteria style “I’ll take a full serving of this, and some of this, but none of that,” people now seem to be nuancing, or adding shades of grey to, things that I had previously thought of as black-and-white, go-or-no-go.</p>
<p>Rather than admitting that one can’t or won’t comply with requirement “X” of the gospel (or of church policy), some people nuance away or diminish “X” as non-essential, or even as an incorrect element.</p>
<p>Rather than figuratively beating one’s breast and admitting a lack of faith/shortcoming/sin, the item is just dismissed or nuanced away.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ouch. Somehow I feel as if he had some people in mind with some of these thoughts. Regardless, what it got me thinking about was&#8230;what should be the goal?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a lot of John Dehlin&#8217;s works about <a href="http://www.staylds.com/">staying</a> <a href="http://mormon-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/04/mormon-stories-available-again.html">LDS</a>, and regardless of whether this is still representative (I&#8217;m not totally sure, so I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;m completely misrepresenting his views), it seems to me that it distinctly disagrees with someone like Bookslinger&#8217;s view. Bookslinger&#8217;s comment seems to suggest (maybe it&#8217;s just my imagination) that there is an ideal belief system and all members should be striving to move to acceptance to that belief system. If they do not, they should understand clearly that they are not &#8220;nuanced&#8221; or in &#8220;gray areas,&#8221; but they <em>are</em> unorthordox, faithless, wrong, or sinful.</p>
<p>If that indeed is the position that Bookslinger (or anyone else) takes, then I suppose that&#8217;s not a bad position to take, if one will take it. However, the side effect that it produces is that it creates this incredible barrier to entry that can actually serve to push people on the margins (whether inside or outside the church) away.</p>
<p>This is contrasted, however, with those who would suggest that the number of &#8220;core beliefs&#8221; is more limited, so there is actually a wide range of flexibility in the church. People should not feel pressured to have to believe a certain way or leave, but instead should make the church work for them.</p>
<p>I see advantages and disadvantages to both. The hardline stance seems just a touch more appealing (because sometimes, you need to strong understanding of what is acceptable or what is not), but on the other hand, the hardline stance <em>also</em> makes it quite easy to look at it all and say no. The flexible stance makes staying in the church more appealing, but it may shy down on providing the tough love needed to provide transformational change.</p>
<p>If the goal is to have people go to church and keep going, then it seems like one might want to consider more flexibility. However, if the goal is to have a more committed community (even if that community is smaller), then perhaps one should worry about quality over quantity and stick with potentially unpopular, unyielding ideas.</p>
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		<title>Is Accountability a Good or Bad Thing?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am struck regularly by how many members fail to focus on the life of Jesus and, thus, fail to realize that there are incredible lessons (particularly in the Gospels) about specific things we can do to become more like Him &#8211; things that can lessen the effects of our sins and actually help decrease the frequency of those sins &#8211; thus bringing internal peace and a measure of calmness to our lives in the here and now, regardless of the storms that rage therein. I believe we sometimes buy into the apostate obsession with the afterlife &#8211; as though it&#8217;s OK to be miserable here, since we&#8217;ll be happy there. The problem is that we are told that the same spirit we develop here will rise with us there. (Alma 34:34) In other words, if we become peaceful in this life, we will be at peace in the next life. That&#8217;s worth pondering all on its own &#8211; that we are accountable for whether or not we develop internal peace. Having said that, I need to point out that depression and issues relative to similar physiological difficulties that suppress our joy and impede our growth in this life can [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am struck regularly by how many members fail to focus on the <span style="font-weight: bold;">life of Jesus </span>and, thus, fail to realize that there are incredible lessons (particularly in the Gospels) about specific things we can do to become more like Him &#8211; things that can lessen the effects of our sins and actually help decrease the frequency of those sins &#8211; thus bringing internal peace and a measure of calmness to our lives in the here and now, regardless of the storms that rage therein. I believe we sometimes buy into the apostate obsession with the afterlife &#8211; as though it&#8217;s OK to be miserable here, since we&#8217;ll be happy there. The problem is that we are told that the same spirit we develop here will rise with us there. (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/34/34#34">Alma 34:34</a>) In other words, if we become peaceful in this life, we will be at peace in the next life.  That&#8217;s worth pondering all on its own &#8211; <strong>that we are accountable for whether or not we develop internal peace</strong>.<span id="more-5076"></span></p>
<p>Having said that, I need to point out that depression and issues relative to similar physiological difficulties that suppress our joy and impede our growth in this life can be an exception to that last statement. I hope <span style="font-weight: bold;">NOBODY</span> takes what I said above as a reason to feel guilty over their struggles to conquer those types of difficulties. I realize completely that there are some things for some people for which enduring to the end is the only course. That&#8217;s why medical help should <span style="font-weight: bold;">NEVER </span>be stigmatized in any way for depression or other similar challenges. If proper medication provides a degree of peace for someone, taking that medication is an act of establishing a degree of accountability that will be rewarded, imo.</p>
<p>I believe the whole doctrine of accountability is one of the most beautiful in Mormonism. It see it as so much more expansive than restrictive. We tend to focus on the &#8220;punitive&#8221; aspects of accountability (&#8220;You are responsible for the effects of your actions when you are accountable and will be punished for your mistakes.&#8221;), but we also should understand more fully the &#8220;merciful&#8221; aspects of that same principle. (&#8220;You are not responsible for the effects of your actions when you are not accountable and will be covered by God&#8217;s grace for those mistakes.&#8221;)</p>
<p>We understand and acknowledge openly the concept as it relates to the &#8220;extremes&#8221; (children and the mentally handicapped on one end; fully accountable adults on the other end), but we often overlook it when dealing with the &#8220;emotionally handicapped&#8221; and the &#8220;abused&#8221; <strong>and any others whose thoughts and actions are influenced by things they didn&#8217;t choose</strong> &#8211; things often outside their full control. We are learning more and more about how to treat these things, but I believe there are still so many manifestations of these types of issues which we haven&#8217;t even identified completely. Therefore, &#8220;Judge not&#8221;  becomes an even more vital command.</p>
<p>Having spent much time talking with many people who struggle mightily with feelings of guilt and isolation and despair <strong>and unworthiness</strong>, I have come to believe that many of them do so largely because, to some degree, they are wired to do so (either at birth or through trauma) &#8211; that they simply can&#8217;t help those feelings of despair and guilt that arise out of unrealistic expectations. I believe strongly that those people are not &#8220;accountable&#8221; for their actions during those times of guilt and despair in quite the same way as others are without those episodes. <strong>I&#8217;m not saying that they are completely free from the responsibility to understand their condition and try to &#8220;repent&#8221; (simply meaning &#8220;change&#8221;)</strong>; I believe all have the command to look inward at themselves, identify their weaknesses and strive to improve.  What I am saying is that &#8220;repentance&#8221; in these cases often is as much (if not more) about learning practical coping mechanisms (including taking medication) and proactively acquiring personal characteristics than it is about the classic &#8220;exercise of will&#8221; often associated with repentance.</p>
<p>If we understood more fully that accountability is the concept that allows repentance to be a positive thing (that we have been given the freedom to proactively participate in the progress of our souls &#8211; to construct a process of growth that includes almost anything that helps us become &#8220;righteous&#8221; (right / in harmony with God), I believe we could begin to tackle the &#8220;natural&#8221; guilt associated with the effects of the Fall in a much more productive and ennobling manner than we tend to do currently.  We could separate &#8220;sin&#8221; (for which we are accountable), &#8220;transgression&#8221; (for which we might or might not be accountable), &#8220;weakness&#8221; (for which we are not accountable) and &#8220;natural, mortal crap&#8221; (which just is, well, crap).</p>
<p><em>So, how do you think of accountability?  Do you see it as a positive or negative concept?  How do you think what we now call &#8220;disabilities&#8221; affect accountability?  Are there other things that you believe reduce or impact accounatbility?  What are some things that we often associate with sin and guilt that you believe should not be classified as sin and induce guilt?  How do you feel about taking medication to alter one&#8217;s natural moods and/or actions? What are any other implications of accountability that are not addressed in this post? </em></p>
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		<title>Joseph Smith and Wealth Redistribution</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article by a guest blogger originally appeared at Gospel Doctrine Underground. We want to thank the author for allowing us to re-post it here. The Law of Consecration offers a lot of interesting discussion topics and ideas. To me, a political junkie, one of the most interesting concepts tied up in consecration is the idea of equality. The Book of Mormon has some interesting passages regarding equality; I cannot help thinking that they got Joseph thinking about economics and righteousness. Or, the impact of temporal things upon righteousness, anyway. So, when the Lord gives the newly organized Church his Law, equality is a big issue. Nowhere is this more directly stated than in Section 78, where the Lord tells his people that the time has come, “[t]hat you may be equal in the bonds of heavenly things, yea, and earthly things also, for the obtaining of heavenly things. For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things; For if you will that I give unto a place in the celestial world you must prepare yourselves by doing the things which I have commanded you and required of you.” (D&#38;C 78:5-7). The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This article by a guest blogger originally appeared at Gospel Doctrine Underground. We want to thank the author for allowing us to re-post it here.<br />
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<p>The Law of Consecration offers a lot of interesting discussion topics and ideas. To me, a political junkie, one of the most interesting concepts tied up in consecration is the idea of equality. The Book of Mormon has some interesting passages regarding equality; I cannot help thinking that they got Joseph thinking about economics and righteousness. Or, the impact of temporal things upon righteousness, anyway.  So, when the Lord gives the newly organized Church his Law, equality is a big issue. <span id="more-4981"></span></p>
<p>Nowhere is this more directly stated than in Section 78, where the Lord tells his people that the time has come,</p>
<blockquote><p>“[t]hat you may be equal in the bonds of heavenly things, yea, and earthly things also, for the obtaining of heavenly things. For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things; For if you will that I give unto a place in the celestial world you must prepare yourselves by doing the things which I have commanded you and required of you.” (D&amp;C 78:5-7).</p></blockquote>
<p>The idea just has the ring of revelation. If we were all equal, think of the problems we could avoid. There would be no poor, at least in the relative sense within the Church. There would be less pride and envy and greed. It would be much easier to avoid materialism if everyone was on an even plane, economically. Equality is a great idea, right?</p>
<p>On the other hand, as Joseph soon learned, voluntary consecration is hard to achieve. As an initial practical matter, there must be a “critical mass” of wealth to sustain the group. But once that is achieved, not everyone will easily overcome their temporal desires. For those who can, it is hard to be equal with someone who is not particularly interested in being equal with you. If you don’t have everyone on board, the whole system is destined for failure.</p>
<p>As Richard Bushman points out in Rough Stone Rolling (p. 183), the system never worked properly. The lack of property to distribute among the poverty-stricken early saints hampered the system’s effectiveness from the start. Joseph struggled on, aided by Edward Partridge and loyal Colesville Saints, who made up a large part of the Mormon population in Zion. In 1833, the Mormon’s expulsion from Jackson County would close down everything. The system’s two year existence was about average for the various communal experiments being undertaken in the period.</p>
<p><strong>So what about consecration for you and me, today? </strong></p>
<p>I have to say, many members of my ward are kind and generous and charitable &#8211; - much more so than I. I truly believe that they take their commitment to consecration seriously. But, I do not see any big push to be “equal in earthly things.” In fact, most of my ward members seem downright resistant to the wealth equalization, Obama-style. (I know, I know, it’s not the same, but still . . .)</p>
<p><em>What do you think? Is earthly equality a something to shoot for? Or is it a heavenly aspiration we cannot achieve in the real world? Could Joseph ever have made it work by free will alone, without an economic or political system to reinforce (enforce?) it? Why has the Church implemented it in only the loosest sense? And, would Joseph have voted for the Obama tax and budget plans? </em></p>
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		<title>LDS Worship &#8211; Part III</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Stout is a Disciples of Christ minister.  This is the third and final installment of his insightful commentary on LDS Sacrament Meeting Worship.  To provide proper context for this final installment, we are including a couple of paragraphs from the end of the last installment. We want to thank David for his contributions here at Mormon Matters; it has been enlightening and well-considered. Now again I want to underscore the fact that I write as a non-Mormon, and I recognize the fact that there must be something about the sacrament meeting that does work and that the current missionary strategy has proven quite effective. Consequently, it could be very well argued that there is no point messing with success &#8211; and I would not object in the least if you, the reader, took that position. But I would humbly suggest that maybe the broader vision of David McKay, the insights and success of Gladys Knight and her gospel choir, and the early roots of the LDS Church itself might raise some heretofore unconsidered possibilities for reaching more people from different backgrounds. I would also suggest that these same possibilities for more effective mission might also bring the sacrament meeting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>David Stout is a Disciples of Christ minister.  This is the third and final installment of his insightful commentary on LDS Sacrament Meeting Worship.  To provide proper context for this final installment, we are including a couple of paragraphs from the end of the last installment.<strong> We want to thank David for his contributions here at Mormon Matters; it has been enlightening and well-considered. </strong></em></p>
<p>Now again I want to underscore the fact that I write as a non-Mormon, and I recognize the fact that there must be something about the sacrament meeting that does work and that the current missionary strategy has proven quite effective. Consequently, it could be very well argued that there is no point messing with success &#8211; and I would not object in the least if you, the reader, took that position.</p>
<p>But I would humbly suggest that maybe the broader vision of David McKay, the insights and success of Gladys Knight and her gospel choir, and the early roots of the LDS Church itself might raise some heretofore unconsidered possibilities for reaching more people from different backgrounds. I would also suggest that these same possibilities for more effective mission might also bring the sacrament meeting and the principle of ongoing revelation into greater practical coherence. <span id="more-4959"></span></p>
<p>Lastly, incorporating some of these possibilities might help establish the local ward or branch as being every bit as responsible for spreading the good news as the missionaries. I think that, particularly in the U.S., congregational based evangelism could well be the way to greater success in finding converts. Participation in a church service at the invitation of a friend is a far more appealing introduction to any religion than two strangers knocking at one’s door.</p>
<p>From both reading and conversation, I think this fact is more and more recognized by the LDS. The missionaries do great work, but they have a far better chance of success with people who are already well disposed toward their message than with “cold” calls. Experiencing the presence of God in worship instead of just hearing about it could go a long way towards establishing that favorable disposition.</p>
<p>Allow me to close with a personal testimony of sorts that might illustrate what I have been talking about:</p>
<p>I like rationality. I am far more a head person than a heart person. The Unitarian Universalists and I get along very well. Yet even I found the service at the local branch that Sunday a bit too cerebral. If I were someone looking for a spiritual connection that morning, I would’ve appreciated the friendliness of the people and the earnestness of their beliefs. I would’ve been impressed by the fact that lay people preached and that the branch president earned his living elsewhere, but I think I would have decided to search elsewhere for that connection with the Spirit. And given the emphasis on personal testimony in the LDS, there is, I think, a sad irony here. Simply put, I would expect people who are convinced that God still speaks to them to offer a little less talk and a little more encounter in their Sunday morning worship.</p>
<p>And once again I hasten to add that this is the perception of someone who is sympathetic to the LDS but not a member. I therefore thank you for the opportunity to share my thoughts with you. I pray that they will stimulate not only thought but prayer on what it means to worship and to witness and the connection between the two. In turn I hope that such thought and prayer will result in seeing the power of the Holy Spirit change even more lives. I am also eager to hear how the current sacrament meeting works in the lives of those who already find it meaningful. By listening to the voices of both those who “get it” and those who don’t (at least not yet) perhaps greater spiritual growth will be possible for all.</p>
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		<title>Families Forver Naked and Not Ashamed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 06:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mormon Matters Motto is Exploring Mormon culture in a balanced way- so bare with me on this one (excuse the pun). Recently we have read that Utah has the highest rate of pornography per capita compared to all other states here There has been a great deal of speculation about this on the bloggernacle. Could it be that Mormons have this penned up curiosity busting to get out (excuse the pun again). The internet has made pornography just a click away, not like in the days when you had to ask a grocery clerk to pull a magazine out from underneath the counter. I sometimes wonder with all the emphasis on staying away from drugs, alcohol, pornography if it is causing a worse problem by bringing it to the fore front constantly to members minds. For example don’t think of Christi Brinkley in a red dress, don’t think about hot percolated coffee, or an ice-cold beer. Could it be the more we constantly emphasize something the more good people who have been living a life of restricted behaviour all their lives start to feel they can’t do that forever without blowing up, then they cave in or take it underground? [...]]]></description>
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<p><span style="Arial;">Mormon Matters Motto is Exploring <em>Mormon</em> culture in a balanced way- so bare with me on this one (excuse the pun). </span><span id="more-4833"></span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">Recently we have read that Utah has the highest rate of pornography per capita compared to all other states </span><a href="http://media.www.studentprintz.com/media/storage/paper974/news/2009/03/31/Opinion/The-Internet.Is.For.Porn.Or.So.Say.The.Numbers-3691242.shtml">here</a></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">There has been a great deal of speculation about this on the bloggernacle. Could it be that Mormons have this penned up curiosity busting to get out (excuse the pun again). The internet has made pornography just a click away, not like in the days when you had to ask a grocery clerk to pull a magazine out from underneath the counter. </span></p>
<p><span style="Arial;">I sometimes wonder with all the emphasis on staying away from drugs, alcohol, pornography if it is causing a worse problem by bringing it to the fore front constantly to members minds.<br />
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<p><span style="Arial;">For example don’t think of Christi Brinkley in a red dress, don’t think about hot percolated coffee, or an ice-cold beer. Could it be the more we constantly emphasize something the more good people who have been living a life of restricted behaviour all their lives start to feel they can’t do that forever without blowing up, then they cave in or take it underground?</span></p>
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<p><span style="#000000;"><span style="Arial;">Another view is of inoculation especially when it comes to nakedness or nudity. Christian nudist views are “Sexual decadence such as pornography and <a title="Pedophilia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia"><span style="#000000;">pedophilia</span></a> (paedophilia) is the direct result of a lack of exposure to nudity in childhood (particularly of the same approximate age). This is most likely to occur when combined with other factors such as extreme parental attitudes (e.g. body shame) and social isolation. They believe that those that are raised their entire lives within Christian naturism should not have any temptation<a title="Temptation" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation"></a> to engage in such behaviour “such as pornography.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="#000000;"><span style="Arial;">Their experience and testimony is that complete nakedness does not incite individuals to lustful thoughts, unlike for example, a revealing skimpy top that exposes a good deal of a woman&#8217;s cleavage or a very short mini-skirt. When naked, all body parts are seen as equal and non-sexualised. When clothed, the focus is on the private parts that are partly revealed and thus objectified and sexualised</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="#000000;"><strong><span style="Arial;">Everything you wanted to ask LDS Naturists but were afraid to ask? </span></strong></span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Are there really Mormon Nudists?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">How many active nudists are also active Mormons?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Where do you find other LDS members that have an interest in naturism?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Are there LDS naturist groups, clubs or organized activities that we can participate in?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">How can you be a nudist and respect your Temple garments at the same time?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">I know there are no scriptures or specific doctrine against it, but public nudity is just plain wrong &#8211; isn&#8217;t it?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Isn&#8217;t public nudity illegal?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Why get together with other LDS members?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Are Christian Naturists an anomalous group &#8211; acting ignorantly or in open defiance to their own doctrine against nudity?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Does &#8220;Body-Acceptance&#8221; place the flesh above the Spirit?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">The church has given very clear council on modesty of dress &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t nudism be in conflict with that admonition?</span><span style="Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="-18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Doesn&#8217;t being naked in close-company provide an excessive opportunity for temptation?</span></p>
<p style="18pt;"><span style="Arial;">Click</span><a href="http://www.ldssdc.info/_GENERAL/L-LDS-Naturism-FAQ.html"> here</a><span style="Arial;"> for the rest of the questions and answers<br />
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<p><span style="Arial;">A Utah Valley, Utah man writes about his first naturist experience&#8230;</span><a href="http://www.ldssdc.info/_FIRST-TIME/LS-FIRST-TIME.html">here</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LDS Skinny Dipper Home Page <a href="http://www.ldssdc.info/">here</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please leave a <em>brief</em> reply (sorry couldn&#8217;t help it)</p>
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		<title>The Untold Story of Black Mormons by Guest</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I served a mission in eastern Canada in the early 90s, there were many things I was grateful for (warm boots, wool suits, fairly normal food). But above all, I was grateful that I was sent to a region with very few black people, as I was not looking forward to having to defend something in the Church’s past that had deeply troubled even a relatively immature teenager with a limited knowledge of Church history and doctrine. By that point, the ban on male black members having the priesthood had been lifted for more than a dozen years. Yet, it still bothered me. And it seemed far from a settled issue. Plenty of influential writings from top Church leaders could be found in any ward house library that linked all black people back to Cain and postulated that they were “less valiant” in the pre-existence – hence, no priesthood. I never believed this, and would have had a very difficult time trying to teach this nonsense with a straight face. Luckily, I never had to. I share that background to explain why – at Sunstone West this past weekend – I took such a keen interest in a screening [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="center;">When I served a mission in eastern Canada in the early 90s, there were many things I was grateful for (warm boots, wool suits, fairly normal food). But above all, I was grateful that I was sent to a region with very few black people, as I was not looking forward to having to defend something in the Church’s past that had deeply troubled even a relatively immature teenager with a limited knowledge of Church history and doctrine.<br />
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<img class="size-medium wp-image-4707  alignright" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/abel.png" alt="" width="116" height="172" />By that point, the ban on male black members having the priesthood had been lifted for more than a dozen years. Yet, it still bothered me. And it seemed far from a settled issue. Plenty of influential writings from top Church leaders could be found in any ward house library that linked all black people back to Cain and postulated that they were “less valiant” in the pre-existence – hence, no priesthood. I never believed this, and would have had a very difficult time trying to teach this nonsense with a straight face. Luckily, I never had to.</p>
<p>I share that background to explain why – at Sunstone West this past weekend – I took such a keen interest in a screening of the film “Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons.” Produced by Margaret Blair Young and Darius Gray, this movie goes through the history of black people in the Church and the evolution of the priesthood ban, which is largely &#8220;credited&#8221; to Brigham Young. Apparently, he evolved (or de-volved) in his views, as the movie had some interesting early quotes from him that were far more kind and tolerant towards blacks than some of his later whoppers. The historical context painted by the film shows an influx of Mormon converts from the southern states who brought their slaves to Utah. Henceforth, Young made the decision to make Utah into a slave-friendly territory. Another bit of historical context that I don’t remember being mentioned in the film is that the Democratic Party (then pro-slavery) was also more tolerant of plural marriage, which was likely another factor in the decision.</p>
<p>Fascinating as the history was, the movie was far more touching for me on a personal level. I was utterly floored by the powerful testimonies shared by the many black LDS members interviewed on camera. Many of these folks joined the Church while the ban still existed. One African-American sister shared the heartbreaking observation that the first time she was ever called a “nigger” was in the Salt Lake temple. Yet, she was far from angry. Like many others of all races, her life had been touched in a positive way by the Gospel. That many of these folks retained a love and loyalty to an organization that had rejected them for so long was amazing. The Church apparently did not sponsor this project, but it should buy every copy that it can and send it out to all four corners of the Earth. Seriously, who better to share the hopeful message of the Gospel than a group of people who consistently getting the short end of the stick.</p>
<p>Another interesting tidbit from the film was a story about Dr. Cecil “Chip” Murray, retired pastor of the First AME Church of Los Angeles (which was founded by a former slave of Mormon pioneers). Murray shares a story on camera that he was once invited to meet with then-President Hinckley at the Church Office Building. At that meeting, he says Hinckley apologized to him for the Church&#8217;s participation in the slavery issue and for its part in perpetuating prejudice against black people. How broad he meant that is arguable, but it certainly seems a long way from just three decades ago.</p>
<p>Ms. Young was there and hosted a lively discussion afterwards. She is working on getting the film distributed. Apparently, Howard University has agreed to show it on its PBS station. Hopefully, BYU does the same. Anyone interested should start bugging their local PBS station. And maybe some e-mails to Netflix to spark their interest wouldn’t hurt, either.</p>
<p>Basically, two thumbs up here. Despite the lousy economy, I would heartily recommend dipping into your wallet for $25 to buy the DVD (it can be found at</p>
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		<title>Murder: As Bad As We Think?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve always been under the impression that premeditated murder is an unforgivable sin. Is it? The Bible is full of great examples of people who did really bad things &#8212; the type of things that we shouldn&#8217;t even think of doing, with the biggest no-no being murder. So that&#8217;s why I have problems with a couple of important Bible figures. The first one is King David and his arranging the murder of Uriah in order to score with Bathsheba. In the Bible Dictionary it says: &#8220;Like Saul he was guilty of grave crimes; but unlike Saul, he was capable of true contrition and was therefore able to find forgiveness, except in the murder of Uriah. As a consequence David is still unforgiven, but he received a promise that the Lord would not leave his soul in hell. He will be resurrected at the end of the Millennium. Because of his transgressions, he has fallen from his exaltation (D&#38;C 132: 39).&#8220; In D&#38;C 132: 39 it says: &#8220;David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been under the impression that premeditated murder is an  unforgivable sin. Is it?</p>
<p><span id="more-4663"></span>The Bible is full of great examples of people who did really bad things &#8212; the type of things that we shouldn&#8217;t even think of doing, with the biggest no-no being murder. So that&#8217;s why I have problems  with a couple of important Bible figures.</p>
<p>The first one is King David and  his arranging the murder of Uriah in order to score with Bathsheba. In the Bible  Dictionary it says:</p>
<p><em><span style="italic;">&#8220;Like Saul he was  guilty of grave crimes; but unlike Saul, he was capable of true contrition and  was therefore able to find forgiveness, except in the murder of Uriah. As a  consequence David is still unforgiven, but he received a promise that the Lord  would not leave his soul in hell. He will be resurrected at the end of the  Millennium. Because of his transgressions, he has fallen from his exaltation  (D&amp;C 132: 39).</span>&#8220;</em></p>
<p>In D&amp;C 132: 39 it says:<span style="italic;"><br />
</span><span style="italic;"><br />
<em>&#8220;David’s wives and concubines were given  unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets  who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against  me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from  his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of  the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.&#8221;</em><br />
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<p>I would say that Uriah&#8217;s murder should fall into the category of  &#8220;premeditated murder&#8221; because David certainly had time to think it over and come up  with a plan to get rid of him. It doesn&#8217;t get much more evil than that. David  has apparently not found &#8220;forgiveness,&#8221; but did he receive a <span style="italic;">special</span> &#8220;promise&#8221; from the Lord about not  leaving his soul in hell? Did he do something special to get a &#8220;get of out jail  card,&#8221; or will all murderers have a chance at that same  &#8220;promise?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps more troubling to me is the Apostle Paul (aka Saul &#8212;  but not the same Saul mentioned above in the story of David) and his involvement  in the stoning of Stephen. As we all know, Paul was once the ancient equivalent  of an anti-Mormon, but took it to the extreme. Some of his actions against  Christians would have done the Taliban proud. In the Book of Acts, we  read:</p>
<p><span style="italic;">&#8220;<em>And cast him out of the city, and  stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet,  whose name was Saul. And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord  Jesus, receive my spirit.&#8221; (Acts 7:58-59)</em></span><em><br />
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&#8220;And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at  that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at  Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea  and Samaria, except the apostles. And devout men carried Stephen to his burial,  and made great lamentation over him. As for Saul, he made havock of the church,  entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.&#8221;  (Acts 8:1-3)</span></em></p>
<p>The Bible doesn&#8217;t say that Saul (Paul) was the one  who personally hurled the stones at Stephen. However, it appears that he played  pretty much the same role in Stephen&#8217;s murder as David played in Uriah&#8217;s. Paul  <span style="italic;">&#8220;consented&#8221;</span> unto Stephen&#8217;s death, on top  of throwing men and women in the slammer (for all we know, they could have been  executed as well). The fact that <span style="italic;">&#8220;the witnesses  laid down their clothes&#8221; </span>at Saul&#8217;s feet indicates to me that he was  probably the leader who had the power to make sure that this execution was  either carried out or stopped. Even if he didn&#8217;t cast any stones himself, is he  any less guilty than David or any other murderer?</p>
<p>So Paul repented and  was converted to Christianity. If anyone ever turned their life around for the  better, it was him. Although not confirmed, evidence suggests that Paul was  martyred himself, when he was beheaded under the reign of the Roman Emperor  Nero. But these are the things I&#8217;m wondering about Paul:</p>
<ul>
<li>Was he not guilty of murder in the stoning of Stephen? And worse yet,  premeditated murder?</li>
<li>Even though he became an apostle, was turning his life around enough to  erase his past?</li>
<li>Why does King David remain unforgiven and fallen from exaltation, while Paul  went on to become a revered apostle of Christ?</li>
<li>How does this apply to modern-day murderers in society? Should they have any  hope of forgiveness or is premeditated murder unforgivable?</li>
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		<title>When Evil-Speaking Creeps Unawares Among Us</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, there was some heated debate here about More Open Mormon History.  I don&#8217;t want to open that exact same discussion all over again, but I do want to look a little more closely at the motivation behind our conversations here. I find Jude 1:4, 8-10 to be absolutely fascinating.  I have eliminated the skipped verses (5-7) and focused directly on the underlying attitude addressed in the overall passage and one specific application of it &#8211; and its implication for each and every one of us as we converse without being able to see each other.  Verse 4 reads: There are certain men crept in unawares, . . . turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness . . . The underlying issue in verse 4 that relates, I believe, directly to the attitude articulated in verses 8-10 is &#8220;turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness&#8221;.  Lasciviousness means &#8220;inclined to lustfulness; wanton; lewd&#8221; &#8211; but I am going to take a slight liberty with the core definition, based on what follows in verses 8-10.  I am not going to focus on the sexual implications of this verse and the overall passage, and I ask that the comments also [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week, there was some heated debate here about <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/03/06/more-open-mormon-history/">More Open Mormon History</a>.  <strong>I don&#8217;t want to open that exact same discussion all over again</strong>, but I do want to look a little more closely at the motivation behind our conversations here.</p>
<p>I find <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jude/1/4,8-10#4">Jude 1:4, 8-10</a> to be absolutely fascinating.  I have eliminated the skipped verses (5-7) and focused directly on the underlying attitude addressed in the overall passage and one specific application of it &#8211; and its implication for each and every one of us as we converse without being able to see each other.  <span id="more-4563"></span>Verse 4 reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are certain men crept in unawares, . . . turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness . . .</p></blockquote>
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<div class="verse">The underlying issue in verse 4 that relates, I believe, directly to the attitude articulated in verses 8-10 is &#8220;turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness&#8221;.  Lasciviousness means <strong>&#8220;inclined to lustfulness; wanton; lewd</strong>&#8221; &#8211; but I am going to take a slight liberty with the core definition, based on what follows in verses 8-10.  I am not going to focus on the sexual implications of this verse and the overall passage, <strong>and I ask that the comments also refrain from that potential discussion</strong>, and instead focus on the non-sexual corollary identified in verses 8-10 &#8211; since those verses begin with the term &#8220;likewise&#8221; (&#8220;in like manner; in the same way; similarly&#8221;).  This introduction links what follows back to the same root cause discussed previously &#8211; lasciviousness, but what follows adds an intriguing twist.</div>
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<div class="verse">I see &#8220;turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness&#8221; as having two possible meanings.  First, it can apply to those who use the concept of God&#8217;s grace to deny the need for commandments and external rules &#8211; who say what they do doesn&#8217;t matter, since grace makes their lasciviousness acceptable, meaning they are free to do whatever they want to do.  On the other hand, there are those who become arrogant in their own righteousness &#8211; who believe that they are &#8220;entitled&#8221; to grace because they deserve it, meaning they also are free to do whatever they want to do.  <strong>It is that belief that they understand completely and are not constrained by any collective or communal rules, I believe, that is addressed in verses 8-10.</strong></div>
<div class="verse">Verses 8-10 take the initial definition of being &#8220;lustful&#8221; and focus it on how people interact with &#8220;dignities&#8221; and in discussions where &#8220;they know not&#8221;.  When viewed in light of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/7/1#1">Matthew 7:1</a> (&#8220;Judge not, that ye be not judged.&#8221;) and the overall message of Matthew 5 (summarized in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/5/48b">verse 48, footnote b</a>), I believe a reasonable addition to the second condition would be &#8220;which they know not <strong>fully</strong>&#8221; &#8211; and I think that addition is important in our own conversations.  Regardless, the juxtaposition of the word &#8220;lasciviousness&#8221; with &#8220;evil speak(ing)&#8221; is fascinating- and I want to explore it a bit.  The exact words are:</div>
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<blockquote><p>8  Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, <strong>despise dominion</strong>, and <strong>speak evil of dignities</strong>.</p>
<p>9  Yet <sup>a</sup><a title="TG Adam." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jude/1/9a">Michael</a> the <sup>b</sup><a title="TG Angels." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jude/1/9b">archangel</a>, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of <sup>c</sup><a title="TG Translated Beings." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jude/1/9c">Moses</a>, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.</p>
<div class="verse">10 But these speak evil of those things <strong>which they know not</strong>: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.</div>
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<div class="verse">Returning to the definition of &#8220;lasciviousness&#8221; as &#8220;lustfulness&#8221;, the definition of &#8220;lust&#8221; I found that best fits this context is <strong>&#8220;a passionate or overmastering desire or craving&#8221;</strong>.  This means that Jude was speaking of people who give in to a passion or an overwhelming desire when they speak of dignities and things which they know not (fully) &#8211; but the context makes it clear that what Jude condemns is the &#8220;evil&#8221; application of this inclination.  Iow, while a passionate or overwhelming desire is laudable if it is charitable in nature (meaning non-judgmental), the opposite is true when it is condemnatory or attacking in nature.  In that case, the desire is labeled lascivious (&#8220;lustful&#8221;) and, therefore, &#8220;evil&#8221;.</div>
<div class="verse"><strong>How does that apply to our communications here and elsewhere?</strong></div>
<div class="verse">I think verse 9 is one of the most interesting verses in our entire Standard Works.  Even if taken allegorically, if there ever was a figure below God who we think &#8220;should&#8221; be able to rail against Lucifer, it would be Michael, the archangel.  I mean, come on, this is Michael, the archangel!  However, verse 9 says Michael <strong>didn&#8217;t DARE do so</strong> &#8211; leaving God to do the rebuking.  I read this as saying that, even in a situation where it seems obvious that &#8220;speaking evil&#8221; of someone might be warranted, Michael refrained and left that up to God.</div>
<div class="verse">I have read a lot of rebuking and reviling in the Bloggernacle &#8211; not nearly as much as on general comment threads outside the Bloggernacle, but a lot nonetheless.  This occurs in our communications with each other, but it occurs even more often when &#8220;dignities&#8221; (&#8220;persons of high rank or title&#8221; and/or &#8220;ceremonial symbols and observances&#8221;) are being discussed.  Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Bruce R. McConkie, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama, temple ordinances, gay marriage, prophets, etc. all bring out vitriol and ire faster than just about anything around here.</div>
<div class="verse">My point is not the stereotypical one that many might be assuming right now.  <strong>This post is not focused exclusively, or even primarily, on anti-Mormon diatribes. </strong> Those often fit the general tone of the verses I&#8217;ve quoted in Jude, but so do many of the responses to those comments and even others that stand on their own.  <strong>Often, &#8220;faithful&#8221; comments also speak evil of things that are &#8220;dignities&#8221; and &#8220;observances&#8221; of non- or ex-Mormons &#8211; even though those observances are not fundamentally ceremonial in nature.</strong> Also, in a very real sense, we all are God&#8217;s children, and I believe &#8220;speaking evil&#8221; of each other can be compared to speaking evil of dignities without stretching the definition far enough to make a difference.  (&#8220;Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/james/3/9#9">James 3:9</a>)</div>
<div class="verse">For example, any comment that equates someone&#8217;s struggle to understand or accept a concept with &#8220;unrighteousness&#8221; has the potential to be &#8220;lascivious&#8221; &#8211; if it assumes things unknown (&#8220;which they know not&#8221;) and is mocking of someone&#8217;s deeply held beliefs (&#8220;dignities&#8221;) &#8211; every bit as much as a blatant condemnation of Joseph Smith or Brigham Young is when making a blanket statement that does not take into account the full complexity of those men.  The following key is subtle, but incredibly important, imo.</div>
<div class="verse">This type of lasciviousness carries a connotation of domination &#8211; of needing to be right &#8211; of needing to win &#8211; <strong>of caring more about winning than about understanding and being gracious</strong>.  Lustfulness is an attitude, not merely an action &#8211; and such arrogance cuts across religious and political lines.  It is something all of us need to understand and avoid, and it is enticing and natural and easy to miss as it creeps &#8220;unawares&#8221; into our interactions with each other &#8211; on a blog that is supposed to be about respectful disagreement, not lustful competition.</div>
<div class="verse">My question, then, is: <em><strong></strong></em></div>
<div class="verse"><em><strong>How do we communicate openly and honestly without resorting to lasciviousness and the tendency to evil speak &#8211; especially of dignities and things which we know not (fully)?</strong> </em></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[NOTE: This post is a combination (with minor edits) of two posts that I wrote on my own blog this month, as I contemplated Matthew 6:5-13.  If anyone is interested in the foundation post on those verses, it is titled, &#8220;Resolved to Pray: KISS&#8220;. I always have struggled to pray formally and daily on a personal level. For as long as I can remember, I have had a hard time kneeling alone and praying vocally. For most of my life I didn&#8217;t understand why, and, although I tried to recommit numerous times, I never could &#8220;conquer&#8221; that particular habit. My struggle continued through various church callings, including stints in a Stake Mission Presidency, as a Ward Mission Leader, in a Bishopric and to this day as a High Councilor. I still have a hard time, but now, at least, I understand why a little better. I have struggled with &#8220;formal prayer&#8221; all my life, largely because I have not struggled with &#8220;informal prayer&#8221; at any point in my life. All my life, I have prayed regularly; it simply has not been on my knees and vocally, on a set schedule. I naturally commune with God; I just do it silently, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NOTE: </strong><em>This post is a combination (with minor edits) of two posts that I wrote on my own blog this month, as I contemplated Matthew 6:5-13.  If anyone is interested in the foundation post on those verses, it is titled, &#8220;<a href="http://thingsofmysoul.blogspot.com/2009/02/resolved-to-pray-kiss.html">Resolved to Pray: KISS</a>&#8220;. </em></p>
<p>I always have struggled to pray formally and daily on a personal level. For as long as I can remember, I have had a hard time kneeling alone and praying vocally. For most of my life I didn&#8217;t understand why, and, although I tried to recommit numerous times, I never could &#8220;conquer&#8221; that particular habit. My struggle continued through various church callings, including stints in a Stake Mission Presidency, as a Ward Mission Leader, in a Bishopric and to this day as a High Councilor. I still have a hard time, but now, at least, I understand why a little better.<span id="more-4308"></span></p>
<p>I have struggled with &#8220;formal prayer&#8221; all my life, largely because I have not struggled with &#8220;informal prayer&#8221; at any point in my life. All my life, I have prayed regularly; it simply has not been on my knees and vocally, on a set schedule. I naturally commune with God; I just do it silently, in my own head. I understand the following passage from Amulek in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/34/18-27#18">Alma 34:18-27</a>, since it resonates with my own experience:</p>
<blockquote><p>18  Yea, cry unto him for mercy; for he is mighty to save.</p>
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<div id="alma/34/19" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">19  Yea, humble yourselves, and continue in prayer unto him.</div>
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<div id="alma/34/20" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">20  Cry unto him when ye are in <span class="searchword">your</span> fields<a title="Alma 33: 5 (4-5)." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/34/20a"></a>, yea, over all <span class="searchword">your</span> flocks.</div>
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<div id="alma/34/21" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">21 Cry unto him in <span class="searchword">your</span> houses, yea, over all <span class="searchword">your</span> household, both morning, mid-day, and evening.</div>
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<div id="alma/34/22" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">22  Yea, cry unto him against the power of <span class="searchword">your</span> enemies.</div>
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<div id="alma/34/23" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">23  Yea, cry unto him against the devil, who is an enemy to all righteousness.</div>
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<div id="alma/34/24" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">24  Cry unto him over the crops of <span class="searchword">your</span> <span class="searchword">fields</span>, that ye may prosper in them.</div>
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<div id="alma/34/25" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">25  Cry over the flocks of <span class="searchword">your</span> <span class="searchword">fields</span>, that they may increase.</div>
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<div id="alma/34/26" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">26  But this is not all; <span style="font-weight: bold;">ye must pour out </span><span class="searchword" style="font-weight: bold;">your</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> souls in </span><span class="searchword" style="font-weight: bold;">your</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> closets, and </span><span class="searchword" style="font-weight: bold;">your</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> secret places, and in </span><span class="searchword" style="font-weight: bold;">your</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> wilderness. </span></div>
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<div id="alma/34/27" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span>27<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Yea, and when you do not cry unto the Lord, let </span><span class="searchword" style="font-weight: bold;">your</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> hearts be full, drawn out in prayer unto him continually for </span><span class="searchword" style="font-weight: bold;">your</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> welfare, and also for the welfare of those who are around you</span>.</div>
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<p>I truly do naturally have a prayer in my heart always, and I truly do pray by actually forming words in my mind often throughout each day. I struggle, however, to vocalize those prayers and to offer them in a formal manner. I have reached a degree of peace with that conflict, since I believe it is more important <span style="font-weight: bold;">THAT</span> I pray than <span style="font-weight: bold;">HOW</span> I pray, but I still am not comfortable completely with my inability to remember and schedule formal prayers. I see it as a weakness that I still have to overcome, even as I see my tendency to pray &#8220;continually&#8221; as a great strength.</p>
<p>Recently, as I was contemplating this irony, it struck me that it has been easy to excuse my difficulty with formal prayer by thinking what I do (pray continually) is obeying a higher law &#8211; <span style="font-weight: bold;">that if I have to choose one or the other, it is better to pray as I do than as I don&#8217;t.</span> I actually believe that, but I have come to realize that I still don&#8217;t pray &#8220;completely, wholly and in a fully developed manner&#8221;. In other words, I don&#8217;t pray perfectly yet. That is the goal for which I am striving &#8211; not necessarily to pray &#8220;perfectly&#8221; right away, but rather to be able to learn to pray more completely by finally praying more consistently in a formal manner &#8211; at the very least in a manner than can be considered &#8220;regularly&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have no driving desire right now to do more than that, and, honestly, I&#8217;m not sure I ever will &#8211; since I truly am satisfied overall with the way and regularity with which I pray. All I know is that I need to learn to pray formally (and, perhaps, vocally) more easily than I currently do.</p>
<p>As I considered all of that this past week, I was left to ask:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why then do I struggle so much with formal prayer? Other than what I articulated above (the fact that I really do carry a constant prayer in my mind and heart), is there some other personal characteristic that &#8220;gets in the way&#8221; of kneeling and vocalizing prayer?</p></blockquote>
<p>First, some of the paradox behind the struggle:</p>
<p>I have no inhibitions whatsoever with public speaking or one-on-one conversation. I have performed in public since the days of my earliest memories. I sang a public solo for the first time when I was six years old (I think; it might have been eight, but I believe it was pre-baptism.) &#8211; &#8220;I Hope They Call Me on a Mission&#8221; in Sacrament Meeting for a cousin&#8217;s missionary farewell. I gave my first public speech in First Grade, when I received an award for reading a ridiculous number of books during a contest. I sang in solo competitions and vocal groups from 4th &#8211; 12th Grade; I&#8217;ve played piano solos and accompanied others hundreds of times; I played the saxophone for eight years in school; I was the Drum Major of our High School Marching Band. I was a school teacher. More recently, I&#8217;ve been in Sales and Marketing for nearly twelve years. I don&#8217;t remember EVER being nervous or shy about speaking or performing in front of people. <span style="font-weight: bold;">A shrinking violet I am not. </span></p>
<p>I also am not shy about expressing my thoughts and feelings &#8211; <span style="font-weight: bold;">as anyone who knows me in the Bloggernacle can attest</span>. When it comes to group participation, I am more likely to be highly visible and audible than quiet and invisible. Communication skills and inclination are not a problem for me.</p>
<p>It hit me just a couple of days ago that I simply am not a very &#8220;formal&#8221; person. I am totally comfortable interacting in formal situations, but, for me, doing so is an artificial way to concede to the need to &#8220;play the formal game&#8221;. In a past job, I walked the corridors of the Ohio Statehouse and talked about million dollar funding projects with executive directors of major philanthropies, but my actions in those discussions were &#8220;artificially&#8221; formal for me. I would have been much more &#8220;at home&#8221; and &#8220;natural&#8221; in jeans and a t-shirt, sitting outside on the grass and just having a heart-to-heart chat. I&#8217;ve conducted formal interviews for years, but I&#8217;d rather sit and rap with someone than grill them in a formal manner.</p>
<p>Also, I am a natural tease, and I tend to take lots of things less seriously than many others. For example, I&#8217;m not sure the member of the Stake Presidency who heard my talk last Sunday expected the quote from &#8220;Bill &amp; Ted&#8217;s Excellent Adventure&#8221; (on charity: &#8220;Be excellent to each other.&#8221;) or the description of listening to someone learn to play the bagpipes as similar to hearing someone kill a cat &#8211; in context of being charitable as people learn to play their souls (although I did mention in the talk that I probably shouldn&#8217;t say &#8220;kill a cat&#8221; in Sacrament Meeting). I&#8217;m a country boy at heart, and the sociality that exists in a small town tends to be a bit less formal than at a country club or in a middle-upper class suburb.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known all of that about myself for a long time, but it never really registered in the context of formal prayer. Simply opening up my mind and heart and talking with God works for me. It&#8217;s who I am. I&#8217;ve had some incredible spiritual experiences in my life, but I&#8217;m having a hard time thinking of one that occurred during a formal, vocal, personal prayer. (Priesthood blessings are a different story, but I&#8217;m distinguishing them as &#8220;ritual prayer&#8221; from &#8220;personal prayer&#8221;.)</p>
<p>What struck me is that the most powerful experiences I have had in my life that are associated with prayer have come when I was being most &#8220;true&#8221; to myself &#8211; when I wasn&#8217;t engaged in an activity that was &#8220;foreign&#8221; or &#8220;unnatural&#8221; to me, but rather when I was doing what I do best. Those experiences all have come either when I simply was chatting with God (talking with him informally in my head and/or heart) or when I was involved in a ritual of some kind &#8211; like a Priesthood blessing or an ordinance.</p>
<p>This insight has been a revelation to me, and I am contemplating the implications. At the very least, it has reinforced the need to be careful of requiring all God&#8217;s children to speak with him in the exact same way &#8211; of over-simplifying and communalizing something that might be better left complex and personal. Sometimes, unity of purpose and result might be better than total unity of form and function. At the very least, it&#8217;s given me more to ponder &#8211; and it&#8217;s made me even less inclined to judge others with regard to how they pray and how/if they feel they get their own answers.</p>
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