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		<description><![CDATA[As I mentioned previously, I really enjoyed the Strangite session of the Mormon History Association meetings a few weeks ago.  Vickie Speek, John Hamer, and Mike Karpowicz gave some fascinating presentations on this little known group.  Following the session, they answered additional questions, and I thought it would be interesting to provide a transcript of the Q&#38;A session.  But before I get into the transcript, I should tell you a brief history of the Strangite Church. James Strang, prophet of the Strangite Church James Strang was baptized into the church just a few months before Joseph Smith was killed in 1844.  He said he had a letter from Joseph proclaiming that Strang was to lead the church.  The letter is currently owned by Yale University; in the past few decades, they have declared Joseph Smith&#8217;s signature on the letter a forgery. Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader.  His church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size.  They had some well known converts too:  Martin Harris, William Smith (Joseph&#8217;s brother), William Cowdery (Oliver&#8217;s father), William Marks (stake president in Nauvoo), William [...]]]></description>
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<p>As <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/30/day-3-at-mha/">I mentioned previously</a>, I really enjoyed the Strangite session of the Mormon History Association meetings a few weeks ago.  Vickie Speek, John Hamer, and Mike Karpowicz gave some fascinating presentations on this little known group.  Following the session, they answered additional questions, and I thought it would be interesting to provide a transcript of the Q&amp;A session.  But before I get into the transcript, I should tell you a brief history of the Strangite Church.</p>
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<p><span id="more-12051"></span>James Strang was baptized into the church just a few months before Joseph Smith was killed in 1844.  He said he had a letter from Joseph proclaiming that Strang was to lead the church.  The letter is currently owned by Yale University; in the past few decades, they have declared Joseph Smith&#8217;s signature on the letter a forgery.</p>
<p>Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader.  <img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />His church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size.  They had some well known converts too:  Martin Harris, William Smith (Joseph&#8217;s brother), William Cowdery (Oliver&#8217;s father), William Marks (stake president in Nauvoo), William McLellin (former apostle), Hiram Page, and some of the Whitmer brothers.</p>
<p>Strang claimed an angel visited him, appointing him as prophet.  As part of his calling, he translated the Brass Plates into a book of scripture called &#8220;The Book of the Law of the Lord&#8221; written by Moses, and in Laban&#8217;s possession.  Originally against polygamy, Strang translated the book (first published in 1851), which said polygamy was a godly commandment.</p>
<p>Strang originally moved his followers to Voree, Wisconsin, and then received another revelation to move to Beaver Island, Michigan.  He crowned himself king, and was assassinated there by disgruntled followers.  The Strangites still exist today.  The have a few hundred members in Kansas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wisconsin.  <a href="http://strangite.org/" target="_blank">Here is a website from a Strangite follower</a>.  (It contains an online version of the Book of the Law of the Lord.)  John Hamer says the <a href="http://www.churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaintsstrangite.com/" target="_blank">official website for the church is found here</a>.</p>
<p>Independent historian Vickie Speek, John Hamer &amp; Mike Karpowicz of <a href="http://johnwhitmerbooks.com/">John Whitmer Books</a>, and Bill Russell of <a href="http://graceland.edu" target="_blank">Graceland University</a> (the CoC version of BYU) answered a few questions following their presentation on the past 160 years of Strangite history.</p>
<blockquote><p>Newell Bringhurst, “I found it very enlightening too, but the one area I wanted to hear a little bit more about was the core teachings, the liturgy.  Did you get a sense, particularly John and Mike?  [Vickie] You went into the Law of the Lord in your paper and those tenets and teachings, but what core teachings were perpetuated to the make things that give them an identity as far as their Mormonism or moving beyond or in a different direction in terms of their Mormon teachings that we would identify with as Mormons, from a Latter-Day Saint tradition?”</p>
<p>John Hamer, “I identified in my paper that there is a remarkable continuity.  When we first looked into this, we weren’t sure how this church that had been on Beaver Island and in Wisconsin, how did it end up being in New Mexico?  So we wondered, ‘is this a Neo-Strangite Church?  Is this a bunch of people who got converted and started calling themselves Strangites that don’t have any actual continuity?’  But we found in the course of looking through the records&#8211;we had incredible access to all the church’s records, we interviewed a dozen of the oldest members of the church, the branch records going all the way back to the 19th century are all kept in the vaults and all maintained—there is a remarkable continuity of practice and teaching that occurs because these Beaver Island members taught this new generation.  The practices remain and all sorts of things remain.</p>
<p>Some of the things we mentioned were sealing—sealing continues to be done, so that is unusual for Midwestern Mormons for example.  Most of the other branches other than the Cutlerites don’t do that.  You don’t have that in the Community of Christ.  It’s not in the Hedrickites.  They’re sealed for time and all eternity.  This idea of adopting into a noble and a princely household, these kingdom powers—that was being done all the way up through the [19]60’s, especially members of the Flanders clan were sealed, adopting into this Ketchum household that they were intermarried with in the 19th century, but essentially had forgotten that they were inter-married with.  This was more or less forgotten.  Some of this history has been recovered from the records, this connection between Joseph Ketchum and Granny Flanders.  Remember that Granny Flanders was this matriarch who had done this.</p>
<p>I would just say there are an incredible number of practices, there are all kinds of Strangite practices.  The Book of the Law of the Lord is integral as scripture.  It is read.  The Voree Branch are 7th day Sabbath-tarians—that’s Strangite practice.  The Laws of Sacrifice so they would sacrifice first fruits so again a lot of Strangite practice, because they had a second prophet, there’s all sorts of things that they have that other branches don’t have.  So I think the continuity is actually remarkable and the amount of practice and preservation is remarkable.  There are just a few things that fall out, because they don’t have the top priesthood offices.  So some things they don’t feel are valid to do.  One of those is plural marriages for example, they’re not done.</p>
<p>Vickie Speek, “There’s something we didn’t mention is the fact that according to Strangite belief, the lesser cannot ordain the higher. So they’ve lost their prophet, they’ve lost their priesthood, because only God can make a prophet.  Man can’t.  Man can’t make another prophet, so when James Strang died, the prophet died.</p>
<p>John Hamer, “It’s simply invalid for a teacher to ordain a priest.  Likewise, you cannot have an apostle ordain a prophet.  So that’s why Joseph [Smith] III’s ordination is invalid.  William Marks, as great of priesthood or whatever as he had is not a prophet, he cannot ordain a prophet.  Likewise Brigham Young, the other apostles that ordain him—that’s simply invalid in Strangite view, because the lesser cannot ordain the greater.</p>
<p>Newell Bringhurst, “So then the highest priesthood office then is a high priest, is that correct?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yes, High Priest.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “Since prophets die, and  Joseph was killed, then how are you going to have a successor to Joseph?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Angelic ordination.”</p>
<p>??? “Just the way Strang was ordained.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “James Strang could have, under the direction of God, laid his hands and ordained somebody before he passed, but he did not.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hts.gatech.edu/faculty/foster-lawrence.php" target="_blank">Larry Foster</a>, “I also commend the excellent papers.  I had a couple questions more to Vickie, and maybe I missed part of it, or maybe it was answered elsewhere.  On the Book of the Law of the Lord, that’s an extremely impressive book I think.  I looked at it, but the 1856 edition is much bigger than the original book which is only about 50 pages?  A lot of the best stuff in the 1856 edition is these extended explanatory notes, I don’t know if polygamy is in the original text of the edition, or is it part of that explanatory notes stuff that extends the length of the book so much?</p>
<p>The other question I had was an inevitable question about Strang—what does one make of him?  He didn’t ordain a successor even though he was alive for several weeks after he was shot fatally.  Going back, how does polygamy get in there?  How about John C. Bennett?  It seems like John C. Bennett is right there at the heart of Nauvoo polygamy and Strangite polygamy and it seems like he was equally destructive in both contexts.  [audience chuckles]</p>
<p>I also wondered, I read one of Strang’s articles.  Golly, he could sure write.  He almost convinced me that polygamy was a great thing to liberate women.  [audience chuckles]  It gives them all kinds of choices they don’t have and they’re not stuck with a bunch of dodos.  It would appear, and I’ve been criticized by one of the Strangites for saying this, that certainly his letter of appointment was a forgery, that it seems to reflect his own diary.  It is block printed, the name has no relationship to Joseph Smith.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “We talked about his appointment at the beginning.”</p>
<p>Foster, “Oh you did.  There’s a pretty clear cut case of forgery, or maybe did you find some other approach?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “The way that I have looked at it.  When I wrote my book about the Strangites, I approached it basically as a newspaper reporter.  I was not going to take a position either way, I was just going to tell the story.  Because to me, it doesn’t matter to me what my opinion of James Strang was, but I was doing the story of the people who believed him, so that’s the way I wrote my book, and that’s the way I still basically look at it.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for the people who followed James Strang, and the Strangites of today, because their [road] is not the main road.  Theirs has been a very hard, hard road with a lot of heartache.</p>
<p>Now I would like to make one comment.  As far as I know, there is only a few copies of the 1851 Book of the Law, and there is somebody here who is familiar with the 1851 Book of the Law, and I’d like to ask him if there is polygamy in it?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Yeah, there is.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “It’s basically the same thing?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “It’s in the main text, right?  In other words, it just lacks the commentary, so it has the text, it just doesn’t explain it, right?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Are you guys asking me?”  [audience chuckles]  “Yeah, I have an 1851 Book of the Law and it’s an 80 page preliminary version.  It was published as a pamphlet with colored, printed wrappers on it.  It doesn’t have the explanatory notes.  It has 95% of the sections.  He continued to translate some additional sections.  There are some interesting differences.  For example, the first edition doesn’t have a chapter on baptism for the dead, and Strang includes his earlier 1849 revelation on baptism for the dead instead, and then has a footnote that says baptism for the dead evidently didn’t exist in the Old Testament.  Later he translates a chapter after on baptism from this Mosaic period, allegedly Mosaic period record.  So his own views changed.  But on polygamy he didn’t change.  The laws on the number of wives a king could have and things like that are all in that first edition.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “That 1851 edition does have that you say?”</p>
<p>John Hajicek, “Right.</p>
<p>Mike, “Bill, is my assumption correct that with the assassination of Strang, that the tensions between the Strangites and the state and federal government kind of dissipated at that point.  It is interesting to me that whereas the army had a relationship with the Utah church for quite a while, Strang was shot virtually under the guns of the USS Michigan, a naval vessel on the Great Lakes.  I don’t know what the reports that were filed by the state of Michagan were, and how they were considered when they got back to Washington to the Navy Department in the Pierce administration, but were the tensions with the state governments of in Michigan and Wisconsin and federal government dissipated after the assassination?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yeah, because they also got expelled.  They picked up all the members.  They spoiled them of all their property.  They put them on rented boats and they dropped them off all along the coast line destitute in little tiny groups.  So it was the worst kind of persecution results than any other Mormons faced.”</p>
<p>Mike, “Did the navy play a part in that or was it all surveyance from Mackinaw City?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “There is no positive evidence.  However, you take all the circumstantial evidence together, and I say yes.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Not in the dropping off of the people.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Not in the dropping off of people, no.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “But like Mike said, the warship is there in the murder.”</p>
<p>Mike, “Does the USS Michigan ferry people from Mackinaw City to St. James as part of the mob?”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Yes.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “As part of the Mob?”</p>
<p>Mike, “Yes”</p>
<p>Vickie, “I don’t believe it was the Michigan.  There were 2 ships in Michigan.  There was a steamer and there was a warship.”</p>
<p>Mike, “I’m asking about the USS Michigan, the warship.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “I don’t know.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Right, The warship left the dock though.”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Right, it left the dock when Strang was murdered and the murderers jumped on the ship and then left.”</p>
<p>Mike, “2 guys jumped on the ship.”</p>
<p>Vickie and Hamer, “Right.”</p>
<p>Mike, “They left on the USS Michigan?”</p>
<p>Vickie and Hamer, “Yes”.</p>
<p>Mike, “It’s an interesting parallel with the 2 churches: one with the army involved, and the other with the navy.” [audience chuckles]</p>
<p>Vickie, “I think the conflict was gone, because the Strangites were gone, they were scattered.”</p>
<p>Mike, “and the polygamy issue kind of faded away, then?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “Right.”</p>
<p>William Russell, “Here’s a question right here, and then our time is expired so maybe this should be our last one.”</p>
<p>Woman, “Why did they kill James Strang?”</p>
<p>Vickie, “That’s a good question.  Basically, people had become disillusioned with Strang.  Strang was caught trying to follow the Book of the Law and one of the tenets of the church is no alcohol, and basically the Strangites didn’t allow alcohol and they did not support the sale of alcohol to the Native Americans and there was a lot of conflict with the gentiles, and so forth who wanted to sell alcohol.  Strangites became thirsty and they left the fold for other reasons, and those are the ones that basically were in the conspiracy to kill Strang.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “That’s one of them.  That’s on ongoing conflict.  Whenever Mormons gather together in big numbers and took political control and things like that, they would have conflict with their neighbors.  There are all kinds of problems that result from that including the 2 groups don’t trust each other, they don’t feel they can get justice from each other.  The other Americans see Mormons gathering under one prophet as being un-American.  There’s a lot of tendency to go and kill that prophet.”</p>
<p>Bill Russell, “One other thing though, he did serve 1 term in the Michigan legislature.”</p>
<p>Hamer, “Two terms.”</p>
<p>Russell, “Well 2 years I think is all.  But anyway, he was considered very effective according to the Detroit Free Press.  It’s interesting that a prophet and king could be elected to the Michigan legislature and get along well.” [audience chuckles]  He was also a member of the farms.  Well thank you very much, this was an excellent session.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Like I said, it was a fascinating question.  I&#8217;ve invited John Hamer and a few others to entertain questions if you have any.  Do you have any questions for them?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The friendship between Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith is very fascinating.  Sidney was one of the earliest, and most impressive converts, joining the church in December 1830.  His training as a Baptist minister was especially helpful to Joseph, and he often preached many wonderful sermons.  As time wore on, there were some really interesting issues between Joseph and Sidney.  Richard Van Wagoner wrote a biography called Sidney Rigdon: Portrait of Religious Excess.  The Missouri and Nauvoo periods were especially tumultuous. With Sidney running the church in Quincy, Joseph and others were still in the Liberty Jail.  Through the first 10 years of the church, Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith seem to be in lock step with each other.  However, the Nauvoo period seems to show a few cracks in the friendship.  Were they serious?  Well, Joseph called Sidney to be his Vice Presidential nominee&#8211;but I&#8217;ll get to that later. The people of Quincy, Illinois took in many of the saints following the expulsion from Missouri.  In 2002, the Tabernacle Choir did a benefit concert for the town of Quincy, to thank them for their kindness.  With Sidney released from Liberty Jail, his mood improved greatly, and he worked to impeach the [...]]]></description>
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<p>The friendship between Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith is very fascinating.  Sidney was one of the earliest, and most impressive converts, joining the church in December 1830.  His training as a Baptist minister was especially helpful to Joseph, and he often preached many wonderful sermons.  As time wore on, there were some really interesting issues between Joseph and Sidney.  Richard Van Wagoner wrote a biography called <a href="Richard Van Wagoner wrote a biography called Sidney Rigdon: Portrait of Religious Excess." target="_blank">Sidney Rigdon: Portrait of Religious Excess</a>.  The Missouri and Nauvoo periods were especially tumultuous.</p>
<p>With Sidney running the church in Quincy, Joseph and others were still in the Liberty Jail.  Through the first 10 years of the church, Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith seem to be in lock step with each other.  However, the Nauvoo period seems to show a few cracks in the friendship.  Were they serious?  Well, Joseph called Sidney to be his Vice Presidential nominee&#8211;but I&#8217;ll get to that later.</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /><span id="more-11780"></span>The people of Quincy, Illinois took in many of the saints following the expulsion from Missouri.  In 2002, the <a href="http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/41968/Tabernacle-Choir-to-thank-Quincy.html" target="_blank">Tabernacle Choir did a benefit concert </a>for the town of Quincy, to thank them for their kindness.  With Sidney released from Liberty Jail, his mood improved greatly, and he worked to impeach the government of Missouri.  At this time, Joseph Smith chose to reverse himself on the work of gathering saints, as well as consecration (or &#8220;common stock&#8221;, as in the letter below.)  From Liberty Jail, Joseph wrote to the church in Quincy on Mar 25,1839, that the saints should settle &#8220;in the most safe and quiet places they can find&#8221; between Kirtland and Far West.  Additionally, there must be &#8220;no organization of large bodies upon common stock principals.&#8221;  Footnote 9 on page 273 of book expounds this.</p>
<blockquote><p>No further common stock programs were established during Joseph Smith&#8217;s life.  The prophet shaded the truth during his 1839-40 trip to Washington, DC., when he stated that Mormons would not share property in common.  &#8220;&#8216;It has been reported by some vicious or de[s]igning characters&#8217;, he said, &#8216;that the church of Latter Day Saints believe in having their pro[p]erty in common and also the leaders of sa[id] church controlls said propperty&#8230;.This is a base fabrication,&#8217; he insisted, &#8216;on the contrary no person&#8217;s feelings can be more repugnant to such a principle than mine[,] every person in this Church has a right to controll his own proppe[r]ty&#8217;&#8221; (Joseph Smith to Mr. Editor [of the Chester County Register and Examiner], 22 Jan. 1840.)</p></blockquote>
<p>After 2 failed attempts to escape from jail, Joseph and others bribed some guards with a promise of $800.  They returned to Quincy, and made plans to settle in Commerce (later named Nauvoo.)  Smith and Rigdon bought (for the church) $18,000 worth of property in Nauvoo, and were swindled out of $80,000 in Iowa.  As the saints moved to Nauvoo, Rigdon contracted malaria, which would plague him for years.  While there are several true reports of Joseph healing people of malaria, Sidney was not one of them.</p>
<p>The leadership continued to press for redress of the wrongs in Missouri, and traveled to DC to speak with Pres Van Buren.  Due to Rigdon&#8217;s eloquence, he was selected to be the spokesman for the group.  Rigdon made a valiant effort to travel to DC, but was just too sick, so Joseph Smith became the spokesman.  Smith was not impressed with Van Buren, and the meeting was a disappointment to the saints.</p>
<p>Nauvoo was initially prosperous, but not for long.  From page 278,</p>
<blockquote><p>Although Nauvoo&#8217;s population increased dramatically in the early 1840&#8242;s, much of its short-lived prosperity was based on the same perilous real estate speculation that brought down Kirtland&#8217;s economy.  Rigdon and the Smiths once again pinned their financial aspirations on the hopes that new converts, aware of the prophet&#8217;s dark visions of America&#8217;s future, would flee their homelands, gather to Nauvoo&#8211;proclaimed city of refuge&#8211;and purchase property from the real estate arm of the church.  But of the more than 3,000 British converts who arrived in Nauvoo before 1846, most were poverty-stricken refugees from the English working class.  Sobering to the First Presidency was that real estate sales fell far below their expectation, forcing the brethren to default on the promissory notes they had co-signed.  Because the church was not yet a legal entity in 1839, Ridgon, the Smith brothers, and their wives were personally liable for the organization&#8217;s nearly $150,000 debt.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>To pay for the vast acreage, Mormon property owners were advised to sign their real estate over to the church, through agents Isaac Galland and William Smith, in exchange for an equivalent value of land in Nauvoo&#8230;  Overwhelmed by their obligations, Rigdon and the Smith brothers sought a way out of their financial problems: bankruptcy.  [which happened in 1842]</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d like to address to an awkward episode between Rigdon and Smith.  In 1842, Smith tested Rigdon&#8217;s friendship when Joseph proposed plural marriage to Sidney&#8217;s 19-year old daughter, Nancy.  Nancy was summoned on two occasions to meet Joseph, and was repulsed by the idea, threatening to &#8220;raise the neighbors&#8221; if Joseph didn&#8217;t let her go.  Through his scribe Joseph wrote an apology to Nancy, which she handed to her boyfriend, Francis Higbee.  The letter got out, (and was published in John C. Bennett&#8217;s expose on Mormon Polygamy&#8211;more on Bennett later) and eventually got to Sidney&#8217;s attention.</p>
<p>At first, Joseph denied all to Sidney.  Nancy stormed into the room saying,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Joseph Smith you are telling that which is not true[.]  you did make such a proposition to me, and you know it.&#8221;  Another unnamed person said, &#8220;Nancy are you not afraid to call the Lord['s] anointed a cursed liar[?]&#8220;  &#8220;No&#8221;, replied Nancy, &#8220;I am not for he does lie and he knows it.&#8221;</p>
<p>[Rigdon's son-in-law, George] Robinson wrote that Smith, after acknowledging his proposition, sought a way out of the crisis by claiming he had approached Nancy &#8220;to ascertain whether she was virtuous or not, and took that course to learn the facts.&#8221;  But Sidney found that rationalization feeble.  Convinced of Smith&#8217;s involvement in the &#8220;spiritual wife business,&#8221; as Sidney later termed it, Rigdon concluded that Smith had &#8220;contracted a whoring spirit.&#8221;  This is why, according to Wickliffe [Sidney's son], Rigdon told family members immediately after the prophet left their home that Smith &#8220;could never be sealed to one of his daughters without his consent as he did not believe in the doctrine.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Chapter 21 is the first chapter to address polygamy in the book, though it does go back in time to address rumors of polygamy in Kirtland and other places.  Let me sidetrack to Emma for a minute.  At times the issue of polygamy&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>left Joseph and Emma&#8217;s marriage hanging by a thread.  Emma spent the last three years of her husband&#8217;s life jealously battling his errant yearnings, more than once threatening to return to her family in New York.  On one occasion, according to Smith&#8217;s private secretary, she threatened that if he continued to &#8220;indulge himself she would too.&#8221;  [William Clayton Diary] Although Emma apparently countenanced two of her husband&#8217;s 1843 sealings&#8211;to Emily and Eliza Partridge&#8211;she recanted within a day and demanded that Joseph give them up or &#8220;blood should flow.&#8221;  Her change of heart came after she found Joseph and Eliza Partridge secluded in an upstairs bedroom at the Smith home.  The realization that the sealing represented more than a &#8220;spiritual marriage&#8221; or &#8220;adoptive ordinance&#8221; devastated her. [From page 293]</p></blockquote>
<p>Some of the footnotes are very interesting on this subject.  Footnote 26 on page 305 quotes an 1844 expose of Mormonism.  I don&#8217;t know if this can be corroborated, but I found it interesting.</p>
<p>&#8220;Emma&#8217;s threat to &#8220;be revenged and indulge herself&#8221; may have been merely a warning to the prophet to give up his spiritual wives.  But Joseph H. Jackson, a non-Mormon opportunist who gained the confidence of the prophet in Nauvoo, recorded in an 1844 expose of Mormonism:  &#8220;Emma wanted [William] Law for a spiritual husband,&#8221; and because Joseph &#8220;had so many spiritual wives, she thought it but fair that she would at least have one man spiritually sealed up to her and that she wanted Law, because he was such a &#8216;sweet little man.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Although there is nothing to suggest that Law and Emma were more to each other than friends, Law later confirmed that Joseph &#8220;offered to furnish his wife Emma with a substitute for h im, by way of compensation for his neglect of her, on condition that she would forever stop her opposition to polygamy and permit him to enjoy his young wives in peace and keep some of them in his house and to be well treated, etc.&#8221; (Salt Lake Tribune, 3 July 1887.)</p>
<p>Faithful Dissident talks about a <a href="http://thefaithfuldissident.blogspot.com/2009/03/validity-of-deathbed-confessions.html" target="_blank">deathbed confession of Emma</a>, where Emma again denies polygamy.  Footnote 30, page 304 &#8221;In 1846, two years after Joseph&#8217;s death, Emma Smith, in a conversation with Joseph W. Coolidge, remarked that &#8220;Joseph had abandoned plurality of wives before his death.&#8221;  Coolidge indicated from personal experience that he knew otherwise.  After a heated exchange Emma retorted with exasperation, &#8220;Then he was worthy of the death he died.&#8221;  (Joseph F. Smith diary, 28 Aug 1870.)</p>
<p>Another crack in the Rigdon and Smith friendship occurred in relation to the post office.  Rigdon had secured the lucrative position, wherein he was paid for every piece of mail that passed through.  It was one of the more lucrative positions one could hold.  Smith suspected Rigdon may have been trying to undermine Joseph, and wrote several letters trying to get Rigdon fired from the post office, and have Smith installed as his replacement.</p>
<p>John C Bennett, a former close personal aide of Joseph Smith, was excommunicated for unauthorized polygamy.  He then became a virulent anti-mormon.  According to Van Wagoner, Bennett is responsible for instigating many Missourians to continue to try to extradite Joseph, and also may have had a role in organizing the mobs which killed Joseph.  Bennett wrote a letter to Rigdon, trying to get help with his plan to bring down the prophet.  On page 315,</p>
<blockquote><p>In early January, however, Rigdon did receive a message from Bennett.  The 10 January 1843 letter, also addressed to Orson Pratt, incorrectly assumed that its recipients would sympathize with Bennett&#8217;s plan to orchestrate the prophet&#8217;s downfall.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dear Friends&#8211;It is a long time since I have written you, and I should now much desire to see you; but I leave tonight to Missouri, to meet the messenger charged with the arrest of Joseph Smith, Hyrum Smith, Lyman Wight and others, for murder, burglary, treason, etc., etc., who will be demanded in a few days on new indictments, found by the grand Jury of a called court, on the original evidence and in relation to which a nolle prosequi was entered by the district attorney.  New proceedings have been gotten up on the old charges and no habeus corpus can then save them.  We shall try Smith on the Boggs case when we get him into Missouri.  The war goes on, and although Smith thinks he is now safe, the enemy is near, even at the door.  He has awoke the wrong passenger&#8230;.</p>
<p>P.S.  Will Mr. Rigdon please hand this letter to Mr. Pratt after reading?</p>
<p>After Rigdon read the letter he immediately handed it to Mr. Pratt, who then turned it over to Smith.  The prophet, initially dismayed that Rigdon has given the letter first to Pratt, took the dispatch to John Taylor, editor of Times and Seasons.  Smith instructed Taylor to publish the letter along with a statement condemning Rigdon&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>Smith requested Taylor &#8220;to prefer charges against Sidney Rigdon before a court composed of twenty-four High Priests and three Bishops.&#8221;&#8230;.  Before Taylor could publish the editorial or initiate action against Rigdon, the prophet approached Rigdon and &#8220;charged him with being leagued with [his] enemies to destroy him.&#8221;  Rigdon, according to Taylor, responded:  &#8220;I know it was wrong [not to give him the letter sooner]; but I darst not take upon myself the responsibility of making it known,&#8221; apparently because of his position as postmaster.  Rigdon&#8217;s explanation satisfied the prophet.  When Taylor asked him if he should proceed with the trial and publish the editorial, Smith replied, &#8220;I think you had better not, we will save him if we can.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I want to mention one other footnote about Governor Boggs, which was alluded to in Bennett&#8217;s letter to Rigdon.  Governor Boggs had survived an assassination attempt.  Many people then and now believe Porter Rockwell, a body guard of Joseph Smith was responsible for the attempt.  Footnote 8 on page 325 says, &#8221;The attempt on Boggs&#8217;s life took place on the night of 6 May 1842.  Orrin Porter Rockwell, one of Smith&#8217;s closest friends, was arrested later that year and charged with the attempted murder.  Although neither the prophet nor Rockwell was convicted of the crime, Rockwell never denied shooting Boggs.  General Patrick E. Conner reported that Rockwell told him, &#8220;I shot through the window and thought I had killed him, but I had only wonded him.  I was damned sorry that I had not killed the son of a bitch.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess what is amazing to me is that Joseph continued to try to undermine Rigdon&#8217;s position as postmaster, and still suspected Rigdon was behind attempts to have Smith arrested.  Yet it seems they reconciled.  In 1844, dissatisfied with the current crop of presidential candidates, Joseph decided to run for President of the United States as a candidate of the Mormon Reform Party. He was nominated during a political caucus on January 29, 1844.</p>
<p>Joseph&#8217;s first choice for Vice President was James Arlington Bennett.  However, Bennett was ineligible due his Irish citizenship.  Joseph&#8217;s second choice was Solomon Copeland of Tennessee, who was not interested.  Sidney Rigdon was his third choice, and Rigdon enthusiastically accepted.  He gave a rousing address in General Conference on April 6 and 7, 1844.</p>
<p>The US Constitution states that the President and Vice President must be from two different states.  So, Sidney was called on a mission to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to set up residency.  (Rigdon was born in St. Clair Township which now consists of present-day neighborhoods in the City of Pittsburgh.)  He left for Pennsylvania on June 18.</p>
<p>Just prior to Rigdon leaving Nauvoo, William Law, a counselor in the First Presidency, Law&#8217;s wife and four others were excommunicated for opposing polygamy.  Rigdon informed Law that if they would &#8220;let all the difficulties drop&#8221; that Smith would restore Law and his friends back to their offices within the church.  Law refused, and helped print the Nauvoo Expositor on which came out on June 7, exposing polygamy.</p>
<p>Smith ordered the destruction of the press as a public nuisance.  On June 14, Rigdon sent a letter to Illinois governor Thomas Ford, asking for help, while denouncing the paper.  On June 18, Rigdon left Nauvoo, arriving in Pittsburgh on June 27.  Joseph and Hyrum were killed the next day, on June 28 in a hail of gunfire at the Carthage Jail.  Rigdon learned of the news five days later.</p>
<p>So, what is your reaction to all the events of Nauvoo?  Unlike the William Law (editor of the Nauvoo Expositor), Sidney was publicly silent on polygamy, though he was personally repulsed by the practice.  How would you have reacted if Smith had proposed marriage to your 19-year old daughter?  What do you make of the incident where Joseph tried to get Sidney fired from the post office?  It seems to me that this was a real life soap opera.  The Nauvoo period alone would make a great movie.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guest Post by Christopher C. Smith Chris has a BA from Fresno Pacific University in Biblical Studies, an MA from Wheaton College in History of Christianity, and is pursuing a PhD from Claremont Graduate University in Religions in North America. In the tradition of Jan Shipps, he is a non-Mormon with a particular focus on Mormon Studies and Joseph Smith. The Book of Mormon records in 2 Nephi 3 a very interesting prophecy attributed to the biblical patriarch Joseph of Egypt, according to which a “choice seer” would be raised up from the fruit of Joseph’s loins in the latter days.  “And his name shall be called after me; and it shall be after the name of his father,” the patriarch announces.  Clearly Joseph Smith is in view. An addendum to this prophecy adds an interesting additional promise. “I will raise up unto the fruit of thy loins; and I will make for him a spokesman. And I, behold, I will give unto him that he shall write the writing of the fruit of thy loins, unto the fruit of thy loins; and the spokesman of thy loins shall declare it.”  The traditional Mormon view is that the “spokesman” of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/csmith-e1275670562297.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-11533" title="csmith" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/csmith-e1275670562297.jpg" alt="" width="80" height="80" /></a>Guest Post by Christopher C. Smith</strong></p>
<p><em>Chris has a BA from Fresno Pacific University in Biblical Studies, an MA from Wheaton College in History of Christianity, and is pursuing a PhD from Claremont Graduate University in Religions in North America. In the tradition of Jan Shipps, he is a non-Mormon with a particular focus on Mormon Studies and Joseph Smith.</em></p>
<p>The Book of Mormon records in 2 Nephi 3 a very interesting prophecy attributed to the biblical patriarch Joseph of Egypt, according to which a “choice seer” would be raised up from the fruit of Joseph’s loins in the latter days.  “And his name shall be called after me; and it shall be after the name of his father,” the patriarch announces.  Clearly Joseph Smith is in view.</p>
<p>An addendum to this prophecy adds an interesting additional promise.<span id="more-11531"></span> “I will raise up unto the fruit of thy loins; and I will make for him a spokesman. And I, behold, I will give unto him that he shall write the writing of the fruit of thy loins, unto the fruit of thy loins; and the spokesman of thy loins shall declare it.”  The traditional Mormon view is that the “spokesman” of the prophecy is Sidney Rigdon (see for example George Q. Cannon’s remarks in JD 25:126).  This view is based on D&amp;C 100:9–11, which proclaims that “it is expedient in me that you, my servant Sidney, should be a spokesman unto this people&#8230; I will give unto thee power to be mighty in expounding all scriptures, that thou mayest be a spokesman unto him.”  I would like to suggest, however, that a better candidate for the spokesman of the “choice seer” prophecy is Oliver Cowdery.</p>
<p>Note that whereas the D&amp;C emphasizes Sidney’s preaching role, the prophecy itself emphasizes writing.  In fact, the roles of Smith and his spokesman are precisely the reverse of Moses and Aaron.  The prophecy says of Moses, “I will give power unto him in a rod; and I will give judgment unto him in writing. Yet I will not loose his tongue, that he shall speak much, for I will not make him mighty in speaking. But I will write unto him my law, by the finger of mine own hand; and I will make a spokesman for him.”  Whereas Moses needed a spokesman for speaking but not for writing, Joseph Smith evidently needed a spokesman for writing but not for speaking.  The reference to a rod is also suggestive.  Unlike Moses, Joseph Smith did not have “power in a rod.”  But if the roles of seer and spokesman are reversed, then we might surmise that his spokesman did.  And in fact, that is precisely what the D&amp;C says of Oliver Cowdery.</p>
<p>Oliver Cowdery served as Joseph Smith’s principal scribe for the Book of Mormon and some early sections of the D&amp;C.  Of all Smith’s associates, Cowdery was the most prominent in the early period.  D&amp;C 28 specifically likens him to Aaron, and tasks him not only to write but also to “speak”, “preach”, and “declare faithfully the commandments and revelations” (D&amp;C 28:3–8). Cowdery apparently sometimes made use of a divining rod, which the 1835 D&amp;C describes as a “rod of Aaron”.  He even received revelations of his own (EMD 2:409; 1835 Pat. Blessing Book), and did much of the early preaching and baptizing.  But here’s the unambiguous kicker.  In Cowdery’s patriarchal blessing—given in 1835 by Joseph Smith, Jr. himself—there is a reference to “the prophecy of Joseph, in ancient days,” which pronounced blessings upon “the Seer of the last days and the Scribe that should sit with him.” Clearly the choice seer’s “Scribe” is here supposed to be Cowdery.</p>
<p>So what are we to do with the D&amp;C’s application of the spokesman label to Sidney Rigdon?  Like Oliver, Sidney served as a spokesman for the prophet in both written and oral capacities.  Sidney had started as the prophet’s scribe.  In fact, when Joseph met Sidney in 1831, Sidney was specifically instructed to preach only “inasmuch as ye do not write [for the prophet]” (35:20–23). But by 1833 he had taken on a much larger role in the movement, and his role as “spokesman” was primarily a preaching and teaching role.  Clearly Sidney did serve as <em>a</em> spokesman for Joseph Smith.  But was he the spokesman of prophecy?</p>
<p>One possible reading of these sources is that by 1835 Joseph Smith had bifurcated the “spokesman” role of Joseph of Egypt’s prophecy into oral and written components, such that Rigdon was the “spokesman”, and an additional role of “Scribe” was created to accommodate the displaced Oliver Cowdery.  But there is another possible reading as well.  Perhaps the spokesman was never intended to be a single, unchangeable individual, but rather referred to a role or office that might be filled by multiple individuals simultaneously or in succession.  A capital “S” is used in the prophet’s journal when calling Warren Parrish his “Scribe”, as well, suggesting perhaps that he saw Parrish as filling the same eschatological role that just a few months prior had been assigned to Oliver Cowdery.  Smith in fact enlisted many talented scribes over the course of his life, selecting for the role some of the Church’s most talented and educated men.  He never felt constrained to limit himself to a single individual.  He had a whole <em>cadre</em> of spokesmen, some of whom moved in and out of the role as their fortunes and the Church’s changed.</p>
<p>I’m interested to hear how the commenters here at MM read this evidence.  How are we to reconcile D&amp;C 100 with Cowdery’s patriarchal blessing?  Was the spokesman a person, or an office?  If it was a person, then who?  Cowdery?  Rigdon?  Or someone else entirely?</p>
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		<title>Joseph Smith&#8217;s Presidential Platform</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, I came across an interview of Richard Bushman at the Pew Research Forum, about both early and modern Mormon politics.  I&#8217;ve also been reading a book called The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power by D Michael Quinn on the early leadership of the church.  I want to combine the 2 sources, and talk about Joseph Smith&#8217;s presidential plans of 1844.  First, let me quote Bushman. &#8220;Smith was forced into politics by the abuse that the Mormons received. As soon as they were driven out of their first city site in Independence, Mo., he turned to the government for redress. He never obtained it. No level of government, from local justices of the peace to governors to the president of the United States &#8211; to whom he constantly appealed &#8211; ever came to the defense of the Saints. But Joseph Smith became a great devotee of constitutional rights because they seemed like his only hope. He said some very extravagant things about the Constitution being God-given because of those rights and became quite conversant in constitutional matters. He even visited the president of the United States, Martin Van Buren, in the White House in 1839. Gradually, then, Joseph Smith backed into [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I came across an interview of Richard Bushman at the <a href="http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=148">Pew Research Forum</a>, about both early and modern Mormon politics.  I&#8217;ve also been reading a book called<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1179666.The_Mormon_Hierarchy_Origins_of_Power" target="_blank"> The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power</a> by D Michael Quinn on the early leadership of the church.  I want to combine the 2 sources, and talk about Joseph Smith&#8217;s presidential plans of 1844.  First, let me quote Bushman.<span id="more-11372"></span><br />
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;Smith was forced into politics by the abuse that the Mormons received. As soon as they were driven out of their first city site in Independence, Mo., he turned to the government for redress. He never obtained it. No level of government, from local justices of the peace to governors to the president of the United States &#8211; to whom he constantly appealed &#8211; ever came to the defense of the Saints. But Joseph Smith became a great devotee of constitutional rights because they seemed like his only hope. He said some very extravagant things about the Constitution being God-given because of those rights and became quite conversant in constitutional matters. He even visited the president of the United States, Martin Van Buren, in the White House in 1839.</p>
<p>Gradually, then, Joseph Smith backed into American politics. In the fall of 1843, as the 1844 campaign began to take shape, the authorities of the church wrote to all of the known political candidates asking them about their views of the Mormons, and none returned a satisfactory answer from the Mormon point of view. The Mormons wanted a pledge that these candidates would protect them if they were attacked again, and they couldn&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith was nominated as a protest candidate in February of 1844. Like other protest candidates, he began to warm to his work and got quite excited about it. He may have dreamed for a moment that through some strange concatenation of events, he would get elected. Every candidate has to dream such things.</p>
<p>His involvement in politics was manifested in a political platform of which he was very proud. He would bring it out whenever he had visitors and read from it. It is an interesting document because it represents a man whose world had been his own people, whose own project had been to create a kingdom of God, and who now had to turn his mind to politics.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I want to address some really interesting parts of Joseph Smith&#8217;s platform that I found really interesting.  Regarding slavery, Joseph Smith came up with a solution that would have avoided the Civil War.  He advocated low taxes (just like conservatives do today.)  I found most of his points very appealing.  Let me quote from Quinn&#8217;s book, page 119,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Smith&#8217;s Views revealed him as more than a one-issue candidate.  For the reform of government, he intended to reduce the size and salary of Congress.  In judicial reform, he advocated rehabilitation of convicts through work projects and vocational training and liberal pardoning.  In economic reform, he proposed less taxation, free trade, secure international rights on the high seas, and establishment of a national bank in every state and territory.  On the slavery question, he advocated compensated emancipation through the sale of public lands.  To cope with resulting social stress, he advocated the relocation of the several million freed slaves to Texas.  In keeping with the spirit of &#8220;Manifest Destiny&#8221; in the 1840s, he proposed annexation of Oregon and Texas and whatever parts of Canada wished to join the Union.  As a reflection of the Mormon expulsion from Missouri, Smith&#8217;s platform also advocated presidential intervention in civil disturbances within states.  As one author noted, this interventionist impulse &#8216;did not exist until the Civil War and Reconstruction.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So I want to address several points, and give my comments.</p>
<p>1.      <strong>Reduce the size and salary of congress</strong>.  Wow!  Congress continues to grow in size with each census.  I&#8217;d love to cut salary, but on the other hand, the only people who go to Congress are the rich.  Perhaps increasing salary would invite more middle class types.  I&#8217;m not sure how cutting the size of congress would impact the nation.  I need a constitutional scholar on this one.</p>
<p>2.      <strong>Rehab convicts</strong> &#8211; I like this idea.  While everyone likes to think they&#8217;re tough on crime and wants to throw &#8216;em all in jail and throw away the key, the reality is we can&#8217;t build prisons fast enough to keep pace.  And the prisoners we do have end up becoming more skilled at criminal activity.  It seems our current procedures are not working.  I&#8217;m with Smith on this one.</p>
<p>3.      <strong>Liberal Pardoning</strong> &#8211; Hmmmm, didn&#8217;t we go through that with Bill Clinton?  Mike Huckabee has some pardon problems of his own.  I&#8217;m not sure I like this one as it has the capacity for abuse, and possible risks to public safety.</p>
<p>4.      <strong>Less taxes</strong> &#8211; yes, but we need to balance the budget, not simply reduce taxes.</p>
<p>5.      <strong>Free trade</strong> &#8211; I guess he would support NAFTA</p>
<p>6.      <strong>Secure International Rights on high seas</strong> &#8211; It seems pirates are making another comeback.  I&#8217;m with Smith on this one.</p>
<p>7.      <strong>Establishment of national bank in every state and territory</strong> &#8211; Bad idea.  We are currently experiencing banking problems with banks getting too big and doing bad mortgages. Joseph has a bad record of running a bank.  See my post on the <a href="http://www.ldssundayschool.org/RS-Lesson_27#Supplementary_material" target="_blank">Kirtland Bank Failure</a>.</p>
<p>8.      <strong>Sale of public lands for sale of slaves</strong> -  I like it.  That&#8217;s a much better solution than the Civil War was.  Richard Bushman commented about this at the <a href="http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=148">Pew Research Forum</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>He began by citing the Declaration of Independence, the famous passages about all men being equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights, which of course could be a lead-in to religious rights. But he didn&#8217;t use it that way. Instead, in the very next sentence, he talked about the obvious contradiction: &#8220;Some two or three million people are held as slaves for life because the spirit in them is covered with a darker skin than ours.&#8221; His platform called for the elimination of slavery, proposing that the funds from the sale of Western lands, a major source of revenue along with the tariff in those days, be devoted to purchasing slaves from their masters in order to avoid the conflict that would otherwise ensue.</p>
<p>Josiah Quincy, soon to be mayor of Boston, visited Joseph Smith in the spring of 1844 when this platform was in circulation. Much later, Quincy wrote about that visit, saying that Joseph Smith&#8217;s proposal for ending slavery resembled one that Emerson made 11 years later in 1855.</p>
<p>As Quincy put it, writing retrospectively in the 1880s, &#8220;We, who can look back upon the terrible cost of the fratricidal war which put an end to slavery, now say that such a solution of the difficulty&#8221; &#8211; Joseph Smith&#8217;s and Emerson&#8217;s &#8211; &#8220;would have been worthy a Christian statesman. But if the retired scholar was in advance of his time when he advocated this disposition of the public property in 1855, what shall I say of the political and religious leader who had committed himself, in print, as well as in conversation, to the same course in 1844?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>9.      <strong>Send all the freed slaves to Texas</strong> &#8211; Wow, what would Texas be like if that happened?  Remember at this time, Texas was trying to become independent nation from Mexico.  About 1848 came the Mexican-American War, freeing Texas from Mexico and establishing Texas as an independent nation.  (Texas was later annexed into the US.)</p>
<p>10.  <strong>Annex Texas, Oregon, and parts of Canada??? </strong>I know Canadians like the US, but I didn&#8217;t know they wanted to be part of our union!!!</p>
<p>11.  <strong>Presidential authority to get involved in state disturbances</strong>.  As I mentioned in my <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/27/sidney-joseph-a-strained-friendship-part-4/">Sidney Rigdon post</a>, Van Buren refused to get involved in Missouri because he didn&#8217;t feel that was a federal mandate.  Joseph was 20 years ahead of actions which resulted in the Civil War.  It&#8217;s interesting to see how Joseph would have wanted to handle the federal raid in Waco, and the state raid of the FLDS (both in Texas.)</p>
<p>Finally, let me conclude with Bushman again.</p>
<blockquote><p>This part of his platform accords perfectly with what modern people like us would have liked a candidate in 1844 to say. But Smith went beyond our sense of political propriety in other parts of his platform: he blended his role as candidate with his role as prophet. He was already mayor of Nauvoo and lieutenant general of the Nauvoo Legion when he ran for the presidency. He seemingly had no sense that church and state should be separated. He gave no hint that he was going to give up his religious offices if he were to become president of the United States.</p>
<p>In the closing peroration of his platform, Joseph Smith indirectly, but I think clearly, offered himself to be the priest of the people, as well as the president. &#8220;I would, as the universal friend of man, open the prisons, open the eyes, open the ears, and open the hearts of all people to behold and enjoy freedom, unadulterated freedom; and God, who once cleansed the violence of the earth with flood, whose Son laid down his life for the salvation of all his father gave him out of the world, and who has promised that he will come and purify the world again with fire in the last days, should be supplicated by me for the good of all the people.&#8221; He would be the intercessor as priest as well as prophet.</p>
<p>Of course, that is point at which moderns part company with Joseph Smith. We don&#8217;t want a prophet with his authoritative words from God governing the nation. That seems to lead to the exclusion of unbelievers and the repression of naysayers. All the alarm bells go off when we see these roles merging.</p>
<p>But I would appeal to you, before you turn away completely from that idea, to pay heed to the underlying theme of that platform and that proposal. I think it can be argued that Joseph Smith actually felt he was fulfilling one of America&#8217;s dreams. We think of the American dream as the promise of ascent for the wretched refuse of the teeming shores &#8211; the promise that in America, everyone has a chance to prosper and to achieve respectability. That is a dream for the individual.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, what do you think of Smith&#8217;s platform?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[*Note&#8211;This was posted this morning.  Due to a technical glitch, it was erased.  Some comments may have been erased from this morning as well.  I am re-posting it this evening. As you search across the bloggernacle, sometimes you&#8217;ll find antagonists who take great issue with the fact that a gun was smuggled to Joseph Smith at the Carthage Jail.  These antagonists often act as if the church is covering up this fact.  For years I&#8217;ve known a gun was smuggled to Joseph from personal visits to the Carthage Jail in Illinois.  Tour guides do not try to hide this fact.  Some antagonists love to quote that John Taylor believed that Joseph may have killed one or two of the assailants with this gun.  However, this is inaccurate.  Elder Dallin Oaks wrote a book called Carthage Conspiracy: The Trial of the Accused Assassins of Joseph Smith which goes into great detail about the events surrounding Joseph Smith, as well as the trial of Joseph&#8217;s accused assassins. Joseph did wound 3 men.  What antagonists won&#8217;t tell you is that these men had very incriminating wounds to prove they were at the jail during the mob riot.  These men were indicted by a [...]]]></description>
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<p>As you search across the bloggernacle, sometimes you&#8217;ll find antagonists who take great issue with the fact that a gun was smuggled to Joseph Smith at the Carthage Jail.  These antagonists often act as if the church is covering up this fact.  For years I&#8217;ve known a gun was smuggled to Joseph from personal visits to the Carthage Jail in Illinois.  Tour guides do not try to hide this fact.  Some antagonists love to quote that John Taylor believed that Joseph may have killed one or two of the assailants with this gun.  However, this is inaccurate.  Elder Dallin Oaks wrote a book called <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/888395.Carthage_Conspiracy_The_Trial_of_the_Accused_Assassins_of_Joseph_Smith" target="_blank">Carthage Conspiracy: The Trial of the Accused Assassins of Joseph Smith</a> which goes into great detail about the events surrounding Joseph Smith, as well as the trial of Joseph&#8217;s accused assassins.</p>
<p><span id="more-8256"></span>Joseph did wound 3 men.  What antagonists won&#8217;t tell you is that these men had very incriminating wounds to prove they were at the jail during the mob riot.  These men were indicted by a grand jury on charges of murder, but fled to avoid criminal prosecution for murder.  While some may be surprised to learn that Joseph had a gun, I just don&#8217;t think there is a cover up of this fact, as evidenced by Elder Oaks book which came out more than 30 years ago.</p>
<p>I highly recommend <em>Carthage Conspiracy</em>. Some may wonder whether Elder Oaks is qualified to write a book such as this.  Dallin Oaks clerked for Chief Justice Earl Warren of the United States Supreme Court from 1957 to 1958. After his clerkship he practiced at the law firm of Kirkland &amp; Ellis in Chicago. Oaks left Kirkland &amp; Ellis to become a professor at the University of Chicago Law School. During part of his time on the faculty of the Law School, Oaks served as interim dean. Oaks left the Law School upon being appointed President at Brigham Young University. Oaks served as president of Brigham Young University from 1971–1980.  <span id="Considered_as_Supreme_Court_nominee"> </span>In 1976, Oaks was listed by U.S. attorney general <a title="Edward H. Levi" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_H._Levi">Edward H. Levi</a> among potential <a title="Gerald Ford Supreme Court candidates" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford_Supreme_Court_candidates">Gerald Ford Supreme Court candidates</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-3"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a></sup> In 1981, he was closely considered by the <a title="Ronald Reagan" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan">Ronald Reagan</a> administration as a Supreme Court nominee.<sup id="cite_ref-4"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-4"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-5"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-5"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-BYHigh_1-4"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-BYHigh-1"></a></sup> Oaks served on the Utah Supreme Court from 1980 to 1984, when he resigned to accept a call by the LDS Church to become a member of the <a title="Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_of_the_Twelve_Apostles_%28LDS_Church%29">Quorum of the Twelve Apostles</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-BYHigh_1-4"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks#cite_note-BYHigh-1"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> </sup>Currently, Elder Oaks is fourth in line to become the next prophet, behind Packer, Perry, and Nelson.</p>
<p>The book was first published in 1975 by the University of Illinois Press, and Oaks goes into great detail of the trial of the accused assassins. There are plenty of details in there that aren&#8217;t well known or discussed. You can find it for as cheap as $5.29 plus shipping at <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/025200762X/ref=s9_simz_gw_s0_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_s=center-2&amp;pf_rd_r=0EK20Y7D09S6PN57ZQ0T&amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;pf_rd_p=470938631&amp;pf_rd_i=507846">Amazon</a>.  Page 20 discusses the actual events of the mob at the jail.  I am including most of his footnotes below.</p>
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<div>In the Carthage jail on the morning of June 27 Joseph Smith wrote a letter to his wife, reassuring her that, if there was an attack, some of the militia would remain loyal. Later he and Hyrum entertained several visitors, including Cyrus H. Wheelock, who, fearing an attack on the jail, slipped a pistol into Joseph&#8217;s pocket.</div>
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<p>Further down on the page (pages 20-21),  (I&#8217;ve created additional paragraphs for readability.)</p>
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<div>&#8220;While there were guards around the jail,&#8221; eyewitness William Hamilton recalled later, &#8220;they were guards that did not guard and in fact I think understood the whole matter.&#8221; [Quoted in Berry, "The Mormon Settlement in Illinois", 88, 89] The guards fired directly into the attackers from a distance of twenty feet, but no one fell. Scuffling briefly with the guards, the mob tossed them aside and stormed up the stairs toward the room where the prisoners were held.</div>
<div>Upon hearing the guns firing below, Joseph and Hyrum seized their pistols and ran to the door to hold it shut against the attackers. Some of the mob fired shots through the wooden door, hitting Hyrum in the face. He fell upon his back, dead, his head toward an open window on the east. Joseph, seeing his fallen brother at his feet, stepped up beside the door and began firing his pistol at the men in the hallway. After attempting to fire all six barrels (three misfired) he ran to the window.</div>
<div>Outside were more of the mob, who fired at him from below as bullets struck him from behind. [This account is based on the recollections of eyewitnesses Willard Richard, John Taylor, and John H. Sherman. Joseph Smith's Journal kept by Willard Richards, June 27, 1844; <span style="font-style: italic;">Times and Seasons</span> 5 (August 1, 1844), 598; Smith, <span style="font-style: italic;">History of the Church</span>, VII, 102-4; VI, 617,19; Scofield,<span style="font-style: italic;"> History of Hancock County</span>, 846-47.]</div>
<div>He teetered on the sill, with one leg and an arm out the window, and then fell to the ground, landing on his left side. [Hamilton and Sherman agree on this. See also testimony of Thomas Dixon in "Minutes of Trial," 60] An examination of his body showed he had been hit four times, once in the right collar bone, once in the breast, and twice in the back.</div>
<div>Accounts differ as to whether he was dead before he hit the ground, [See Willard Richards to Brigham Young, June 30, 1844, Richards Papers, Church Archives] but Thomas Dixon, who was standing near the jail, said that while there was blood on his pants when he came to the window, &#8220;he was not dead when he fell&#8211;he raised himself up against the well curb.&#8221; [Cf. Ford, <em>History of Illinois</em>, 354, and Marsh, "Mormons in Hancock County," 53, with the recollection of William H. Hamilton in Scofield, <span style="font-style: italic;">History of Hancock County</span>, 845.] He then &#8220;drew up one leg and stretched out the other and died immediately.&#8221; [This recollection is attributed to Thomas Dixon in "Documents relating to the Mormon Troubles," 26, handwritten notes on the trial testimony, Chicago Historical Society.] William R. Hamilton confirmed Dixon&#8217;s statement that the body was not molested after it hit the ground.[Scofield, <span style="font-style: italic;">History of Hancock County</span>, 845; "Minutes of Trial," 60. Another eyewitness states that Joseph was stabbed with a bayonet while on the ground. Samuel Otho Williams to John A. Prickett, July 10, 1844.]</div>
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<div>Here&#8217;s the detail describing what happened to those 3 shots Joseph fired into the mob. From page 51,</p>
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<div>A Hancock County historian has stated that the grand jury was presented with the names of about sixty persons for indictment. They voted first on the entire sixty, but the evidence was so inconclusive that the number of grand jurors who voted to indict was less that the required twelve. The grand jury then struck off the ten names with the least evidence and voted once more, but again failed to secure the minimum votes. They continued in this manner until the list of potential defendants contained only the nine persons with the strongest evidence against them. In this last instance the requisite twelve votes were finally obtained, and the nine defendants were accordingly indicted or formally charged with the murders of Joseph and Hyrum Smith.[Gregg, <em>Prophet of Palmyra</em>, 301-2. <span style="font-style: italic;">The Warsaw Signal</span>, October 30, 1844, maintains that no indictment could be obtained from Tuesday through Friday, but that on Saturday the Mormons "smuggled" in two additional witnesses who provided the basis for the indictment.]</div>
<div>There were separate indictments for the two murders. Each charged the same nine defendents: John Wills,[A Mormon Source gives this as "John Patrick Wells." Smith, <span style="font-style: italic;">History of the Church</span>, VII, 162] William Voras,[So in indictment. Other sources often show it as "Voorhees."] William N. Grover, Jacob C. Davis, Mark Aldrich, Thomas C. Sharp, Levi Williams, and two men named Gallaher and Allen, whose first names were not given.[There were three Gallahers in the Warsaw militia units: Charles, Patrick, and William. "Muster Roll of the Commissioned and Non-Commissioned Officers, Musicians and Privates belonging to the 59th Regiment 4th Brigade and 5th Division, Illinois Militia, under the command of Levi Williams," Chicago Historical Society.]</div>
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<p>From page 52, please note the 3 wounded:</p>
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<div>Wills, Voras, and Gallaher were probably named in the indictment because their wounds, which testimony showed were received at the jail, were irrefutable evidence that they had participated in the mob. They undoubtedly recognized their vulnerability and fled the county. A contemporary witness reported these three as saying that they were the first men at the jail, that one of them shot through the door killing Hyrum, that Joseph wounded all three with his pistol, and that Gallaher shot Joseph as he ran to the window.[Hay, "The Mormon Prophet's Tragedy," 675] According to Hay, Wills, whom the Mormon prophet had shot in the arm, was an Irishman who had joined the mob from &#8220;his congenital love of a brawl.&#8221;[Statement of Jeremiah Willey, August 13, 1844, Brigham Young correspondence, Church Archives.]</div>
<div>Gallaher was a young man from Mississippi who was shot in the face.[Hay, "The Mormon Prophet's Tragedy," 669, 675. Another source says Wills was a former Mormon elder who had left the Church. Davis, <span style="font-style: italic;">An Authentic Account</span>, 24.] Hay described Voras (Voorhees) as a &#8220;half-grown hobbledehoy from Bear Creek&#8221; whom Joseph shot in the shoulder. The citizens of Green Plains were said to have given Gallaher and Voras new suits of clothes for their parts in the killing.[Statement of Jeremiah Willey, August 13, 1844]</div>
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<div>I&#8217;ve never understood why anyone would question Joseph&#8217;s actions.  He had been beaten, and been subject to harrassment and death threats for years.  I came across an anti-Mormon website which used this smuggled gun and Joseph shooting others to paint the picture that Joseph didn&#8217;t go like a lamb to the slaughter, but went out with guns blazing.  Well, I&#8217;m no sheep farmer, but I don&#8217;t think sheep sit there peacefully before they die&#8211;they fight back.  I just don&#8217;t understand why anyone would be troubled by this.  I agree that it is a little strange that Joseph had a revolver while incarcerated, but would anybody who had been threatened like he had act any differently?</div>
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		<title>Joseph Smith is a Ute!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I posted this on my blog, but wanted to share with more people. I always got a kick out of the signs in the student body section proclaiming, &#8220;The Prophet is a Ute!&#8221;  After all, so many Mormons proclaim that BYU is the &#8220;Lord&#8217;s University&#8221;, that it was really nice to point out that President Hinckley is an alum of the University of Utah.  The cool thing is that the signs can stay up, because President Monson is also an alum of the U, (though he did get an MBA from BYU, so I guess both schools can claim him.)  Anyway, I was quite amused to hear on the radio yesterday, that Joseph Smith has officially decided to attend the University of Utah.  You can verify the info right here!  If BYU is the Lord&#8217;s University, it seems that Utah is the School of the Prophets!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this on my blog, but wanted to share with more people.</p>
<p>I always got a kick out of the signs in the student body section proclaiming, &#8220;The Prophet is a Ute!&#8221;  After all, so many Mormons proclaim that BYU is the &#8220;Lord&#8217;s University&#8221;, that it was really nice to point out that President Hinckley is an alum of the University of Utah.  The cool thing is that the signs can stay up, because President Monson is also an alum of the U, (though he did get an MBA from BYU, so I guess both schools can claim him.)  Anyway, I was quite amused to hear on the radio yesterday, that Joseph Smith has officially decided to attend the University of Utah.  You can verify the info <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/blogs/1,5322,20,00.html?bD=20090630" target="_blank">right here</a>!  If BYU is the Lord&#8217;s University, it seems that Utah is the School of the Prophets!</p>
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		<title>Japanese: A Modern Case for Reformed Egyptian</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the common complaints about and arguments against the Book of Mormon is the claim that it was written in &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; &#8211; a unique and obsolete language that was peculiar to the Nephites and could not be read by anyone else.  There have been many things written about this issue over the years, some of which are merely skeptical and more of which are mocking.  One of the common themes has been, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s convenient.  There&#8217;s no way to check any language for accuracy and veracity.  Great con scheme.&#8221;  What the people who wrote these things in the past and say them now didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t realize is that there is a modern example of exactly such a language &#8211; one that is unique to its own people and, in many instances, cannot be read even by those from whom its written foundation was taken.  That example is modern Japanese.  First, Mormon 9:32 is the only verse in the Book of Mormon that includes the actual phrase &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It says: And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the common complaints about and arguments against the Book of Mormon is the claim that it was written in &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; &#8211; a unique and obsolete language that was peculiar to the Nephites and could not be read by anyone else.  There have been many things written about this issue over the years, some of which are merely skeptical and more of which are mocking.  One of the common themes has been, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s convenient.  There&#8217;s no way to check any language for accuracy and veracity.  Great con scheme.&#8221;  What the people who wrote these things in the past and say them now didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t realize is that there is a modern example of exactly such a language &#8211; one that is unique to its own people and, in many instances, cannot be read even by those from whom its written foundation was taken. </p>
<p>That example is modern Japanese. <span id="more-6031"></span></p>
<p>First, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/morm/9/32#32">Mormon 9:32 </a>is the only verse in the Book of Mormon that includes the actual phrase &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It says:</p>
<blockquote><p>And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the <span>reformed</span> <span>Egyptian</span>, <strong>being handed down and altered by us, **according to our manner of speech**.</strong> </p></blockquote>
<p>There are two other verses that mention the Egyptian language &#8211; <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1/2#2">1 Nephi 1:2</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/1/4#4">Mosiah 1:4</a>.  They read, respectively:</p>
<blockquote><p>I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the <span>Egyptians</span>. </p>
<p>and</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>For it were not possible that our father, Lehi, could have remembered all these things, to have taught them to his children, except it were for the help of these plates; for he having been taught in the language of the <span>Egyptians</span> therefore he could read these engravings, and teach them to his children, that thereby they could teach them to their children, and so fulfilling the commandments of God, even down to this present time.</p></blockquote>
<p>The premise of these passages is that Lehi read Egyptian and used the hieroglyphs as the basis of the written language that was used in engraving the record he kept on the large plates (and which he taught to Nephi, at least, so he could continue the record) &#8211; but that, over time, those hieroglyphs were modified from their original forms to become a unique written language called &#8220;reformed Egyptian&#8221;.  It also is apparent that Lehi&#8217;s children did not read Egyptian naturally &#8211; that Lehi had to &#8220;teach them to his children&#8221; and have them &#8220;teach them to their children&#8221;.  It has been argued that this written language was reserved for the sacred and historical records &#8211; that it was not the &#8220;common written language&#8221; of the people, if there even was such a common language.  Given the numerous statements in the Book of Mormon about the need to write in a condensed form due to the size of the plates, this makes perfect sense &#8211; as does the practice of passing them down along bloodlines (inlcuding &#8220;non-prophets&#8221; at the end of the small plates, particularly in the Book of Omni), then ruling lines, then prophetic lines.  This practice is common throughout history with written records, since the vast majority of people were illiterate, but it plays a particular role in the formation of a &#8220;new&#8221; language, <strong>as it emphasizes the driving force behind the on-going modification of the language - the need to conserve space on plates that were difficult to make and, at the beginning especially, limited in total space.  Thus, the written language of the records was continually &#8220;altered by us&#8221; over time. </strong></p>
<p>Now, to Japanese:</p>
<p>There are many good descriptions of the Japanese writing system, but Wikipedia contains one of the simplest.  The entry for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_writing_system">&#8220;Japanese Writing System&#8221;</a> includes a very good intorduction to the multiple &#8220;scripts&#8221; used in written Japanese.  In summary, there are three main scripts: &#8220;Kanji&#8221; &#8211; Chinese symbols that provide the foundation for the <strong>MEANING</strong> of words, pronounced totally differently than their Chinese pronunciation; &#8220;hiragana&#8221; &#8211; native Japanese alphabetic symbols that match to the spoken language, are syllabic in nature (each symbol represents a syllable, rather than an individual sound ["phonene"] as in English) and provide the necessary &#8220;fillers&#8221; (articles, conjunctions, conjugators, etc.) necessary to bridge between the kanji and spoken Japanese; and &#8220;katakana&#8221; &#8211; a modified form of hiragana used to designate the use of foreign words not found in native Japanese.  Also, in the last decades, &#8220;romaji&#8221; (Romanized spelling, where an American could read the standard English alphabet and pronounce the words as they would sound in Japanese) has been included.  Thus, modern Japanese is a combination of four separate &#8220;scripts&#8221;.  (There is an excellent, side-by-side chart with some examples of how one word could be written in all four scripts in the Wikipedia article.  Only one form, the original kanji, would be understood by a Chinese reader.) </p>
<p>What makes this fascinating in conjunction with &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; is not just that a new, unique language has been created, but that many modern Japanese kanji (the characters that were borrowed from Chinese) often cannot be recognized or read fluently by Chinese who have not studied them.  Over time, many of the most complex kanji have been altered significantly &#8211; always as simplifications of the former symbols, removing &#8220;strokes&#8221; from the original to make it easier to learn, less time consuming to write and easier to teach to children.  Furthermore, since spoken Chinese and Japanese are as different as spoken Japanese and English, the inclusion of hiragana and katakana further complicates the process of reading Japanese for those Chinese who have not studied it.  Most can get a good or general feel for the meaning of sentences that are strictly comprised of kanji and hiragana, since the kanji still match and convey <strong>MEANING</strong> (not pronunciation), but when more of the simplified kanji are included, along with katakana and words spelled entirely in hiragana, it becomes much more difficult for Chinese people to understand written Japanese.  (As I just said, untrained Chinese can&#8217;t understand spoken Japanese at all, so a Japanese could be reading something to a Chinese that the Chinese could understand if she read it &#8211; and the Chinese would not be able to understand what the Japanese was saying.) </p>
<p>In Book of Mormon terminology, modern written Japanese is &#8220;Reformed Chinese&#8221; &#8211; in <strong>EVERY</strong> sense that the term &#8220;Reformed Egyptian&#8221; is used in the Book of Mormon, right down to a complex hieroglyphic system being co-opted for meaning rather than pronunciation, that hieroglyphic system being simplified over time to make it easier to write and teach, and, perhaps, eventually being assimilated into some other script(s) and becoming nearly unreadable and &#8220;foreign&#8221; to those trained in the original hieroglyphic system. </p>
<p>There is no indication that Joseph, Emma, Oliver, Sydney or any of those who were prominent in the early history of the Book of Mormon were knowlegable to any degree of Japanese &#8211; <strong>and, in fact, many of the most radical transformations of written Japanese have occurred AFTER the publication of the Book of Mormon</strong>.</p>
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		<title>A Memorial Day Jack Mormon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 06:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Memorial Day upon us, I wanted to highlight a person that people know a little about, Alexander Doniphan, who was known as one of the first &#8220;Jack Mormons.&#8221;  Michael Quinn&#8217;s book The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power talks about many incidents which led to the &#8220;extermination order&#8221; by Missouri Governor Boggs.  Doniphan served in the 1838 Mormon War of Missouri, as well as the Mexican-American War in 1846-7. The term &#8220;Jack Mormon&#8221; is familiar to most of us.  Generally, it means a Mormon in name only.  In modern usage, a Jack Mormon is probably inactive, doesn&#8217;t really go to church, doesn&#8217;t follow the Word of Wisdom or other orthodox Mormon habits, and may or may not be proud of his Mormon heritage.  However, in the days of Joseph Smith, Quinn says on page 101, &#8220;non-mormon allies were known as &#8216;Jack-Mormons&#8217;, originally an LDS term of endearment.&#8221; Alexander Doniphan is even mentioned in LDS manuals, such as this primary manual.  Quinn talks about these events, and talks about a few of the Missourians who did try to help the saints.  From page 100 of his book, Despite the hatred of some Missourians toward Mormons, other non-Mormons protected LDS friends in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Memorial Day upon us, I wanted to highlight a person that people know a little about, Alexander Doniphan, who was known as one of the first &#8220;Jack Mormons.&#8221;  Michael Quinn&#8217;s book <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1179666.The_Mormon_Hierarchy_Origins_of_Power">The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power</a> talks about many incidents which led to the &#8220;extermination order&#8221; by Missouri Governor Boggs.  Doniphan served in the 1838 Mormon War of Missouri, as well as the Mexican-American War in 1846-7.</p>
<p><span id="more-5472"></span>The term &#8220;Jack Mormon&#8221; is familiar to most of us.  Generally, it means a Mormon in name only.  In modern usage, a Jack Mormon is probably inactive, doesn&#8217;t really go to church, doesn&#8217;t follow the Word of Wisdom or other orthodox Mormon habits, and may or may not be proud of his Mormon heritage.  However, in the days of Joseph Smith, Quinn says on page 101, &#8220;non-mormon allies were known as &#8216;Jack-Mormons&#8217;, originally an LDS term of endearment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alexander Doniphan is even mentioned in LDS manuals, <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=637e1b08f338c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=5bbba41f6cc20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1" target="_blank">such as this primary manual</a>.  Quinn talks about these events, and talks about a few of the Missourians who did try to help the saints.  From page 100 of his book,</p>
<blockquote><p>Despite the hatred of some Missourians toward Mormons, other non-Mormons protected LDS friends in the state.  William Thompson endured several lashes &#8220;with a cowhide,&#8221; rather than tell a mob where the Mormons were.  Better known among Mormons was Missourian Alexander W. Doniphan, who had risked his standing in his own community by defending the Mormons against expulsion from Jackson County in 1833.  In 1834, he startled fellow Missourians by praising the effort of Zion&#8217;s Camp to reclaim Mormon lands in Jackson County.  As state representative from Clay County, Doniphan regretted that his fellow residents had asked the Mormons to leave the county, and he successfully persuaded the Missouri legislature to create Caldwell County [in an 1836 compromise.]  When anti-Mormon troops surrounded Far West and forced its surrender, General Samuel D. Lucas ordered Doniphan to summarily execute Joseph Smith, and six other Mormon leaders who were in custody in November 1838.  Doniphan refused to obey the order, thus risking a similar summary execution himself.  By putting his own safety and career at risk, Alexander Doniphan saved Smith&#8217;s life and earned a permanent place as one of Mormon history&#8217;s non-Mormon heroes.</p></blockquote>
<p>I want to quote from a website regarding Doniphan&#8217;s actual reply&#8211;I think it is impressive.  The website is http://www.historicliberty.org/tours/Alexander%20Doniphan%20-%20Juarenne.htm, and states,</p>
<blockquote><p>When the Mormons surrendered to the militia, Doniphan&#8217;s commanding officer gave the order for Joseph Smith, the Mormon leader, and six others to be shot. Doniphan&#8217;s reply was &#8220;<strong>It is cold-blooded murder. I will not obey your order. My brigade will march for Liberty at 8:00 tomorrow morning, and if you execute these men I will hold you personally responsible before an earthly tribunal, so help me God.</strong>&#8221; Doniphan chose to subject himself to the threat of possible court-martial rather then to carry out an order which meant the execution of men not found guilty by civil or military tribunal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Continuing on from Quinn page 101,</p>
<blockquote><p>Without the drama of Doniphan&#8217;s military insubordination, militia general David R. Atchison restrained his own troops and used his political clout to benefit the besieged Mormons.  Another young Missourian wrote his father in December 1838 that the governor&#8217;s &#8220;extermination&#8221; order was a &#8220;foul disgrace to our State,&#8221; and the the Mormons had every right &#8220;to defend [themselves] with force and arms&#8230;&#8221;  The Jews call such benefactors and rescuers, &#8220;righteous Gentiles,&#8221; but during Smith&#8217;s life these non-Mormon allies were known as &#8220;Jack-Mormons,&#8221; originally an LDS term of endearment.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So, I wanted to learn a little more about Alexander Doniphan.</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.liberty.k12.mo.us/ad/" target="_blank">Alexander Doniphan Elementary School</a> is found on 1900 Clay Drive, in Liberty, Missouri</li>
<li>Doniphan served 3 terms as a state representative, and worked as a lawyer, who represented Joseph Smith.  Quoting from the website above, &#8220;During his career as a trial lawyer Doniphan defended more than 188 men, none of whom suffered the extreme penalty for the crime with which he was charged. This was true in Joseph Smith&#8217;s case. Doniphan tendered his services as a civil defender of the Mormons who were never convicted in court. Thus was spared the life of one who led the beginning of one of the great religious movements of our day. This building stands as a monument to Doniphan&#8217;s compassion and respect for the law. &#8220;</li>
<li>There was a <a href="http://speakingofhistory.blogspot.com/2007/05/podcast-83-alexander-doniphan.html">presentation on Doniphan</a> at the Truman Presidential Library in 2007.  &#8216;He once met Abraham Lincoln and Lincoln is reported to have said: &#8220;Alexander Doniphan is the only man I have ever met who lived up to my previous expectations.&#8221; Today there many items which bear his name including several towns, a school, a battleship, a county, a highway and numerous local awards.&#8217;</li>
<li>He went on to lead a very successful campaign in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Doniphan#Mexican-American_War">Mexican-American War in 1846-7</a>.</li>
<li>He was a slaveholder, who <a href="http://www.geocities.com/masher63/richmond/doniphan.html">favored keeping the union in tact</a>.</li>
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<p>I am grateful for non-Mormon allies such as Doniphan, and hope we will always appreciate men like this.  I posted a few more details about Doniphan which <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/24/memorial-day-jack-mormon-alexander-doniphan/">can be found here</a>.  Comments?</p>
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		<title>My Perspective on Polygamy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have long avoided talking about polygamy on my blog.  It is a source of tremendous discomfort for me, but it keeps coming up, so I want to give my impressions about this early practice in Mormonism, as well as my beliefs and reconciliations. While all Mormons are well-aware of polygamy, my first real encounter with uncomfortable facts about polygamy came when I heard John Dehlin&#8217;s interview of Todd Compton on Mormon Stories (episodes 12-14).  Compton wrote a book called &#8220;In Sacred Loneliness&#8220;, and goes into detail about all of Joseph Smith&#8217;s practices.  Then I read Richard Bushman&#8217;s book, &#8220;Rough Stone Rolling&#8220;, and was quite astonished to learn that Joseph married women who were currently married to other General Authorities, while they were still alive. A third book, &#8220;Nauvoo Polygamy&#8221; by George Smith, caused me further discomfort with the practice, so much so that I never finished the book (but plan to go back to it later.)  My book club has picked 2 more books:  &#8220;The Mormon Question:&#8221; by Sarah Barringer Gordon (a non-mormon), and &#8220;More Wives Than One&#8221; Kathryn M. Daynes.  Additionally, I had been having a conversation with an RLDS blogger who claims Joseph Smith never taught or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long avoided talking about polygamy on my blog.  It is a source of tremendous discomfort for me, but it keeps coming up, so I want to give my impressions about this early practice in Mormonism, as well as my beliefs and reconciliations.</p>
<p><span id="more-5360"></span><img src="http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />While all Mormons are well-aware of polygamy, my first real encounter with uncomfortable facts about polygamy came when I heard John Dehlin&#8217;s interview of Todd Compton on Mormon Stories (<a href="http://mormonstories.org/?page_id=102">episodes 12-14</a>).  Compton wrote a book called &#8220;<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/400736.In_Sacred_Loneliness_The_Plural_Wives_of_Joseph_Smith">In Sacred Loneliness</a>&#8220;, and goes into detail about all of Joseph Smith&#8217;s practices.  Then I read Richard Bushman&#8217;s book, &#8220;<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/236609.Joseph_Smith_Rough_Stone_Rolling">Rough Stone Rolling</a>&#8220;, and was quite astonished to learn that Joseph married women who were currently married to other General Authorities, while they were still alive.</p>
<p>A third book, &#8220;<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1797838.Nauvoo_Polygamy_but_we_called_it_celestial_marriage_">Nauvoo Polygamy</a>&#8221; by George Smith, caused me further discomfort with the practice, so much so that I never finished the book (but plan to go back to it later.)  My book club has picked 2 more books:  &#8220;<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/515422.The_Mormon_Question_Polygamy_and_Constitutional_Conflict_in_Nineteenth_Century_America">The Mormon Question:</a>&#8221; by Sarah Barringer Gordon (a non-mormon), and &#8220;<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/841705.More_Wives_Than_One_Transformation_of_the_Mormon_Marriage_System_1840_1910">More Wives Than One</a>&#8221; Kathryn M. Daynes.  Additionally, I had been having a conversation with an RLDS blogger who claims Joseph Smith never taught or practiced polygamy.  (Since he is so rude, I refuse to publicize his site.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently reading &#8220;<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1797842.Nauvoo_A_Place_of_Peace_a_People_of_Promise">Nauvoo: a place of Peace</a>&#8220;, by Glen M. Leonard, which has a chapter on polygamy.  I read the first 125 or so pages, and found it focused on a lot of economic data, which I found rather dry.  So, I&#8217;m skipping ahead to some more interesting chapters.</p>
<p>Anyway, while I plan to devote some posts to Leonard&#8217;s chapter, which is written from a very sympathetic Mormon view, I have to say that from what I know so far about polygamy, I just do not believe it to be an inspired doctrine, just as I do not believe the priesthood ban was an inspired doctrine, as seen from my <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/09/14/was-priesthood-ban-inspired/">earlier post on that topic</a>.  Now that may cause some people to ask if I believe Joseph Smith was a fallen prophet?  No.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that seems like a big contradiction, but I have a more complex view of prophets.  I think they can make errors, even in revelation. <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/12/similarites-between-papal-infallibility-and-mormon-prophetic-infallibility/">I don&#8217;t believe a prophet is infallible</a>.  I believe that when we look at Biblical prophets, we find errors in revelation, bad conduct, and pagan influences as well.  For example, I don&#8217;t believe God commanded <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/08/19/joshuas-unholy-war/">genocide with Joshua</a>, I question <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/11/academic-and-mormon-views-of-easter/">Abraham&#8217;s conduct with Hagar (and circumcision)</a>, and Jonah was a bigot towards the people of Nineveh (which deserves a future post.)  In short, I believe God uses fallible men to give revelations to.</p>
<p>So, while I respect Joshua &#8220;Choose you this day whom ye will serve&#8221;, Abraham, &#8220;the father of monotheism&#8221;, Jonah &#8220;swallowed by a great fish&#8221;, I can respect Joseph Smith as well.  Just as the former three were prophets, so is Joseph.  I have a testimony of the Book of Mormon, but my testimony of polygamy is completely different.  I can accept that Joseph spoke many inspired things, translated the Book of Mormon, and performed many miracles.  I can also accept that I don&#8217;t believe polygamy was inspired by God, just as the Curse of Cain was used by so many people to justify slavery.</p>
<p>So, as I post on polygamy in the future, I just want to make my perspective clear.  Comments?</p>
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		<title>Are we going to be Eunuchs after this life?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My home teacher (who is very cool) came by yesterday to drop off some starter cables for my car and as one does in that short interlude we discussed the celestial kingdom and being Gods after this life. He believed that those who don&#8217;t make it to the highest kingdom in the Celestial Kingdom won&#8217;t have any sexual relationships and if you don&#8217;t have sexual relationships their will be no need for sexual organs. Its interesting talking about controversial stuff but I was finding this unnerving!! Eunuch 1: a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace 2: a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals 3: one that lacks virility or power &#60;political eunuchs&#62; In both of these kingdoms [i.e., the terrestrial and telestial] there will be changes in the bodies and limitations. They will not have the power of increase, neither the power or nature to live as husbands and wives, for this will be denied them and they cannot increase. Those who receive the exaltation in the celestial kingdom will have the &#8220;continuation of the seeds forever.&#8221; They will live in the family relationship. In the [...]]]></description>
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<p>My home teacher (who is very cool) came by yesterday to drop off some starter cables for my car and as one does in that short interlude we discussed the celestial kingdom and being Gods after this life. He believed that those who don&#8217;t make it to the highest kingdom in the Celestial Kingdom won&#8217;t have any sexual relationships and if you don&#8217;t have sexual relationships their will be no need for sexual organs.</p>
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<p>Its interesting talking about controversial stuff but I was finding this unnerving!!</p>
<p><strong>Eunuch</strong><br />
1: a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace<br />
2: a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals<br />
3: one that lacks virility or power &lt;political eunuchs&gt;</p>
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<p>In both of these kingdoms [i.e., the terrestrial and telestial] there will be changes in the bodies and limitations. They will not have the power of increase, neither the power or nature to live as husbands and wives, for this will be denied them and they cannot increase. Those who receive the exaltation in the celestial kingdom will have the &#8220;continuation of the seeds forever.&#8221; They will live in the family relationship. In the terrestrial and in the telestial kingdoms there will be no marriage. Those who enter there will remain &#8220;separately and singly&#8221; forever. Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed. <strong>I take it that men and women will, in these kingdoms, be just what the so-called Christian world expects us all to be &#8211; neither man nor woman, merely immortal beings having received the resurrection. </strong>(Doctrines of Salvation. vol. 2, pg. 287-288.)</p>
<p>Joseph Smith said that even the telestial Kingdom was thousands of times better than this world and if we had a glimpse of it we would kill ourselves now to get there. I think many of us now would disagree with Joseph Smith Jr in light of reading the more current views of Joseph Fielding Smith.</p>
<p>In the <a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html">family proclamation</a> we learn that Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose. But the family proclamation is not kingdom specific to whether will still have our male or female gender if we don&#8217;t make it to the highest kingdom of the Celestial Kingdom.</p>
<p>I thought I was being unique <em>(pun) </em>in this post but as I have researched,being a so called  EUNUCH is a phrase used in the Bloggernacle since 2006 its called  <a href="http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/the-tk-smoothie-rule/">TK SMOOTHIE</a></p>
<p>It has two definitions</p>
<ol type="1">
<li>The logical conclusion for JFS, then, was to say      that the people in the TK would not have male or female genitalia.</li>
<li>If a doctrine of the church seems like it has      been created in order to &#8220;fix&#8221; or explain another, it might be a TK      Smoothie. The TK Smoothie is eponymous for all doctrines that are probably      bogus but exist in order to clarify some other doctrine or speculation.</li>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bishop-young.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-5028" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bishop-young.jpg" alt="" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Bishop Young <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </strong><a href="http://spanishfork401stward.blogspot.com/2009/04/tk-smoothie.html">Spanish Fork 401st Ward</a></p>
<p>In Mormonism, we have an expanded picture of life that extends before this mortal life and then on into the eternities. However, when you really dig into this, it turns out that we have very few details on what to expect after this life, and the details we do have come mostly from talks given almost 175 years ago. And to say that our expectations of &#8216;Heaven,&#8217; have changed quite a bit since then is a gross understatement.</p>
<p>Despite all the speculation, one detail that we know for sure: unless you make it to the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, there will be no eternal sex. Basically, you&#8217;d be turned into a Telestial/Terrestrial Kingdom Smoothie (TK Smoothie). I like to imagine these lesser-Kingdoms as the Barbie &amp; Ken Kingdoms. Everyone walking around looking beautiful and perfect for eternity, but having a smooth under-carriage like Barbie or Ken.</p>
<p><a href="http://spanishfork401stward.blogspot.com/2009/04/tk-smoothie.html"><br />
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<p>Parley P. Pratt</p>
<p>The object of the union of the sexes is the propagation of their species, or procreation; <strong>also for mutual affection, and the cultivation of those eternal principles of never ending charity and benevolence</strong>, which are inspired by the Eternal Spirit; also for mutual comfort and assistance in this world of toil and sorrow, and for mutual duties toward their offspring. Key to the Science of Theology, Ch.17, p.169</p>
<p>I would like to believe as Parley P Pratt describes that this mutual affection will not only be for this life but carried through to all the kingdoms after this life to all of our Brothers and Sisters who have lived on this earth.</p>
<p><strong>Questions</strong></p>
<ol type="1">
<li>If you make it to the Celestial Kingdom how      would you feel when you visit a Parent, Grandparent, Brother, Sister, Son      or Daughter in the Terrestrial Kingdom with out any Gender?</li>
<li>Do you believe Joseph Fielding Smith is correct?</li>
<li>Is there any current doctrine that overrides his      beliefs?</li>
<li>If JFS doctrine is correct the word Brother and Sister takes on a whole      different meaning in the Terrestrial and Telestial Kingdom?</li>
<li>Is it silly doctrine we should jettison?</li>
<li>If it is still true do you think if we      emphasised it more it might motivate members to push harder for the      Celestial Kingdom?</li>
<li>Doctrines of Salvation is most of it safe doctrine we can use in our talks and lessons ?  Is      some of it suspect and if it is how do we know what that is? Do you think of it as interesting reading not really fiction      but not really solid doctrinally? How would you describe it?</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s post comes from The Teacher.  Section 8 of the Doctrine &#38; Covenants refers to &#8220;another gift&#8221; Olivery Cowdery had, called at different times &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; or &#8220;the rod of nature.&#8221;  Several commentators recognize this gift as related to Oliver&#8217;s use of a divining rod. If you interpret Oliver&#8217;s &#8220;gift of Aaron&#8221; in Section 8 as a divining rod, it makes for some interesting reading.  Oliver&#8217;s gift has told him many things (verse 6).  The gift only works for Oliver because of the power of God (verse 7).  If he has faith in his gift, he will use it to do marvelous things (verse 8).  Oliver&#8217;s gift is the work of God (id.). When I first learned of what &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; might be, my initial reaction was that it was, well, odd.  I mean, a divining rod?  I knew about Joseph Smith and folk magic, but I sort of put the idea aside.  Then, I read the heading for Section 11 which says, &#8220;This revelation was received through the Urim and Thummim in answer to Joseph&#8217;s supplication and inquiry.&#8221;  And I thought, &#8220;Whoa.&#8221;  Faithful Mormons accpet that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim and a seer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s post comes from <a href="http://gosepldoctrineunderground.blogspot.com/">The Teacher</a>.  <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/8">Section 8</a> of the Doctrine &amp; Covenants refers to &#8220;another gift&#8221; Olivery Cowdery had, called at different times &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; or &#8220;the rod of nature.&#8221;  Several commentators recognize this gift as related to Oliver&#8217;s use of a divining rod.<span id="more-4220"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.jwwells.com/rod.gif" alt="" />If you interpret Oliver&#8217;s &#8220;gift of Aaron&#8221; in Section 8 as a divining rod, it makes for some interesting reading.  Oliver&#8217;s gift has told him many things (verse 6).  The gift only works for Oliver because of the power of God (verse 7).  If he has faith in his gift, he will use it to do marvelous things (verse 8).  Oliver&#8217;s gift is the work of God (id.).</p>
<p>When I first learned of what &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; might be, my initial reaction was that it was, well, odd.  I mean, a divining rod?  I knew about Joseph Smith and folk magic, but I sort of put the idea aside.  Then, I read the heading for Section 11 which says, &#8220;This revelation was received through the Urim and Thummim in answer to Joseph&#8217;s supplication and inquiry.&#8221;  And I thought, &#8220;Whoa.&#8221; </p>
<p>Faithful Mormons accpet that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim and a seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon.  He used the Urim and Thummim to receive revelations that became scriptural passages of the Doctrine &amp; Covenants.  Is a divining rod any stranger than a Urim and Thummim?  At least I have seen a divining rod.  I have heard people talk about divining rods.  I have never seen a Urim and Thummim.  And that got me thinking about revelation.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.imagesoftherestoration.org/blog/wp-content/images/jstranslatingbom.jpg" alt="" width="140" height="67" />Divining rods and seer stones and interpreters are certainly outside our daily experience, and it is easy to think them odd.  But weren&#8217;t they just aids that Joseph (and perhaps Oliver) used for a while in seeking inspiration and revelation from God?  Don&#8217;t we all use tangible objects to help us believe and seek God&#8217;s guidance?</p>
<p>I have long thought that part of the power of ordinances is their tangibility.  You know precisely when you were immersed in water, and that meant something to you.  You know when hands are placed upon your head.  When you eat the bread and drink the water, it is a signal to your soul (the tangible and the intangible part) that you are seeking for God&#8217;s spirit.  When I think about it, I see lots of examples of tangibility as an aid to revelation and faith.</p>
<p>Easton, a commenter at Gospel Doctrine Underground, raised a couple of interesting ideas.  He referred to a talk by Dallin Oaks who said that reading the scriptures can be like a Urim and Thummim.  By that, Elder Oads meant that we can receive revelation through scripture study, not just on the topic we are reading about, but on any topic.  Easton also referred to a statement by Brigham Young that Joseph Smith had taught that everyone could and should have their own seer stone.  I don&#8217;t know if Joseph was speaking literally, but I think we all use tangible things to seek revelation.  The temple might be the ultimate example.  Among other things, don&#8217;t lots of people who really need revelation and guidance go to the temple because they believe being in a sacred place, a building, will help them find it?</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.salamandersociety.com/toptens/050101urim_thummim.jpg" alt="" />I guess it is natural to think that things outside our experience, like the Urim and Thummim and seer stones, are kind of strange.  But we have a wealth of tangibility that Joseph and Oliver did not have:  sacrament emblems blessed by the priesthood, the laying on of hands, celestial rooms.  All these things help us find inspiration and direction from God.  Maybe God just finds ways to work through the tools we have.</p>
<p>What do you think?  Can tangible things help us get revelation?  Do you have a &#8220;seer stone&#8221;?  What is it?</p>
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		<title>The Purposes of God Cannot Be Frustrated</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The title is from DC3:1.  Today&#8217;s guest post is from Bouvet and is in reference to this year&#8217;s Doctrine &#38; Covenants manual, Lesson 4 is Remember the New Covenant, Even the Book of Mormon.  This year the lesson manual has abandoned the idea of following the development of the Church and the reception of the revelations through time and instead has moved to a topical format. My knee-jerk reaction is to attribute this to a desire to avoid tough topics in church history and make the teachers stick to some abstract doctrine or principal.   The lesson is supposed to be focused on the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. It covers DC 3 and 10 and a bunch of JS-H. While I did cover most of the scriptures included in the lesson I went a completely different direction with it. This was the exact lesson I needed at this moment of time.  But the real point of the lesson was the fact that the purposes of God cannot be frustrated by Joseph Smith&#8217;s boneheaded weaknesses. This is a major and significant lesson. Joseph was praying for forgiveness the night that Moroni came because he had become a lazy prankster who [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="content">The title is from DC3:1.  Today&#8217;s guest post is from Bouvet and is in reference to this year&#8217;s Doctrine &amp; Covenants manual, Lesson 4 is <span style="font-style: italic;">Remember the New Covenant, Even the Book of Mormon</span>.  <span id="more-4102"></span><br />
This year the lesson manual has abandoned the idea of following the development of the Church and the reception of the revelations through time and instead has moved to a topical format. My knee-jerk reaction is to attribute this to a desire to avoid tough topics in church history and make the teachers stick to some abstract doctrine or principal.   The lesson is supposed to be focused on the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. It covers DC 3 and 10 and a bunch of JS-H.</p>
<p>While I did cover most of the scriptures included in the lesson I went a completely different direction with it. This was the exact lesson I needed at this moment of time.  But the real point of the lesson was the fact that the purposes of God cannot be frustrated by Joseph Smith&#8217;s boneheaded weaknesses. This is a major and significant lesson.</p>
<p>Joseph was praying for forgiveness the night that Moroni came because he had become a lazy prankster who liked to dig for buried treasure. He knew he was not someone who would be expected to be a Prophet&#8211;there was nothing exceptional about him. He was not preparing himself very well for any great work.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. Moroni comes to see him.<br />
</em><br />
Then he meets Emma while employed digging for a long lost Spanish silver mine down by Harmony and instead of getting a real job and making himself respectable, he just dishonors Emma&#8217;s family and runs off with her to get married without blessing or permission. This was a selfish and impulsive act contrary to one of the 10 commandments. Can you imagine how he would be lauded in the Church today if he had stayed for a year working on a local farm proving himself to get Emma&#8217;s parents permission. But we largely ignore the elopement.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. He gets the plates.<br />
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Then he gives the 116 pages to Martin after not taking no for an answer and a lifetime of Father Lehi&#8217;s work is gone in an instant. All Lehi&#8217;s blood sweat and tears put into his record are thrown down the drain because Joseph is a stubborn and disobedient sod.</p>
<p><em>But it was OK. God was going to use him anyway. He got the plates back and finished the rest of the book and the Small Plates of Nephi cover the gap in the story (to a certain extent).<br />
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The lesson covered the bringing forth of the Book of Mormon, but I taught the lesson of how Joseph kept failing during the process of bringing for the Book of Mormon (I only mentioned the elopement in passing) and how <em>that was OK because he repented and the work of God rolled forward</em>.</p>
<p>One cannot read Sections 3 and 10 honestly and think anything other than Joseph&#8217;s falling from his calling was not only possible but might have seemed at times likely. The doctrine of the Prophet not ever being able to lead the Church astray comes much latter. (It is found in the excerpted conference talks by Wilford Woodruff after the Manifesto in the PofGP.) In 1828 and the years following, it probably seemed likely to even Joseph that he would be rejected.</p>
<p>I also find it interesting that he is directly reproved in Section 3 verse 4 for his &#8220;carnal desires&#8221;. It is no surprise that later it is precisely his carnal desires leading to Fanny Alger and Marinda Knight and so many others that lead so many of the early Church leaders to conclude he was a fallen Prophet and leave his side.</p>
<p>I have a testimony that despite all Joseph&#8217;s weaknesses&#8211;including being too often a petty dictator and horny lustmonger&#8211;he was the Lord&#8217;s chosen. He made many mistakes, many serious mistakes. They ended up costing him his life. But his mistakes did not frustrate the purposes of God. The restoration happened, imperfectly, but it happened.</p>
<p>And so today the Church rolls forward. Imperfectly (very very imperfectly) but it rolls forward. Some cannot abide the imperfections. I don&#8217;t blame them. Sometimes I want to join them. Often even. <em>But no imperfections, not matter how ugly or pervasive, can stop the work of God entirely. </em>It is too hard for me to remember that truth.</p>
<p>I love Joseph Smith. I want to slap him upside the head for being so often a total idiot. But I love him just the same.</p>
<p>This is where I am at today anyway.</p></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mormonism has a focus on gaining knowledge that is unique in Christendom, largely due to the emphasis that Joseph Smith placed on learning.  Joseph&#8217;s total open-mindedness to both revelation and all forms of learning are central to the Mormon religion; this open-mindedness had potential for both good and bad outcomes.  The lesson discusses two main concepts:  what is &#8220;knowledge,&#8221; and how do we gain it? What is Knowledge? “Mormonism is truth; and every man who embraces it feels himself at liberty to embrace every truth: consequently the shackles of superstition, bigotry, ignorance, and priestcraft, fall at once from his neck; and his eyes are opened to see the truth, and truth greatly prevails over priestcraft.&#8221;  (1839) (Note the singular use of the word &#8220;truth.&#8221;)  How does an open canon (ongoing revelation) enable members of the church to accept all truth as it is revealed regardless of the superstition, bigotry, ignorance or priestcraft of the day?  How does ignorance, bigotry, superstition and priestcraft still creep in?  What can individual members do to embrace truth and eschew superstition, priestcraft, bigotry and ignorance? “Knowledge is necessary to life and godliness. Woe unto you priests and divines who preach that knowledge is not necessary [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mormonism has a focus on gaining knowledge that is unique in Christendom, largely due to the emphasis that Joseph Smith placed on learning.  Joseph&#8217;s total open-mindedness to both revelation and all forms of learning are central to the Mormon religion; this open-mindedness had potential for both good and bad outcomes.  The lesson discusses two main concepts:  what is &#8220;knowledge,&#8221; and how do we gain it?<span id="more-3297"></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>What is Knowledge?</strong></span></p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>“Mormonism is truth; and <strong>every man who embraces it feels himself at liberty to embrace every truth</strong>: consequently the shackles of superstition, bigotry, ignorance, and priestcraft, fall at once from his neck; and his eyes are opened to see the truth, and truth greatly prevails over priestcraft.&#8221;  (1839)</p></blockquote>
<p>(Note the singular use of the word &#8220;truth.&#8221;)  <span style="color: #800080;">How does an open canon (ongoing revelation) enable members of the church to accept all truth as it is revealed regardless of the superstition, bigotry, ignorance or priestcraft of the day?  How does ignorance, bigotry, superstition and priestcraft still creep in?  What can individual members do to embrace truth and eschew superstition, priestcraft, bigotry and ignorance?</span></p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>“Knowledge is necessary to life and godliness. Woe unto you priests and divines who preach that knowledge is not necessary unto life and salvation. Take away Apostles, etc., take away knowledge, and you will find yourselves worthy of the damnation of hell. <strong>Knowledge is revelation</strong>. Hear, all ye brethren, this grand key: knowledge is the power of God unto salvation.”  (1843)</p></blockquote>
<p>Joseph Smith takes his definition of &#8220;knowledge&#8221; for granted.  He seems to use it to mean revelation, not facts, scientific evidence or information.  <span style="color: #800080;">How does this definition alter our view of the role of knowledge in our salvation?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>How to Gain Knowledge</strong></span></p>
<p>The lesson gives examples of how to gain knowledge, all of which are based on learning from those who know more, not through scientific experimentation or scholarly research.  Even revelation can be viewed as gaining knowledge from a Person (God) who knows more than we do.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">How can we seek out the best teachers?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>What Are the Obstacles to Gaining Knowledge?</strong></span></p>
<p>The lesson outlines several obstacles to gaining knowledge (or one might say obstacles to revelation):  Word of Wisdom violations, creeds, and doubt and darkness.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Word of Wisdom</strong></span>.  When the School of Prophets was convened for 4 months of study, the Word of Wisdom was given to the members of the school so their minds would be clear and open to &#8220;knowledge.&#8221;  (Not as a temperance movement or a cultural marker of obedience as it is used today).  <span style="color: #800080;">How does considering this original view of the Word of Wisdom change your perception of it?</span><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Creeds</strong></span>.  JS specifically felt that other religions&#8217; adherence to creeds was an obstacle to &#8220;knowledge&#8221; (remember that he used the word knowledge synonymously with revelation).</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I stated that the most prominent difference in sentiment between the Latter-day Saints and sectarians was, that the latter were all circumscribed by some peculiar creed, which deprived its members the privilege of believing anything not contained therein, whereas the Latter-day Saints are <strong>ready to believe all true principles that exist, as they are made manifest</strong> from time to time.&#8221;  (1843)</p>
<p>“I cannot believe in any of the creeds of the different denominations, because <strong>they all have some things in them I cannot subscribe to, though all of them have some truth</strong>. I want to come up into the presence of God, and learn all things; but the creeds set up stakes [limits], and say, ‘Hitherto shalt thou come, and no further’; which I cannot subscribe to.”  (1843)</p>
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<p>“I say to all those who are disposed to set up stakes for the Almighty, You will come short of the glory of God. To become a joint heir of the heirship of the Son, one must put away all his <strong>false traditions</strong>.”  (1843)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">How do creeds limit our ability to receive revelation or accept changes to our current thinking and interpretations?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">How do creeds compare with the efforts to correlate church materials (rather than remaining completely open to multiple interpretations and speculations)?<br />
</span></p>
<p>There are times when this total open-mindedness seemed to cause Joseph problems (e.g. Kinderhook, etc.).  <span style="color: #800080;">Are there ways in which this complete open-mindedness can cause current members problems (e.g. speculation, wishful thinking, foolish notions)?  How can we avoid that?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Doubt and Darkness</strong></span>.  When we listen to teachers who do not have more (spiritual) knowledge than we do, or we allow doubt to overcome belief, we stop gaining additional (spiritual) knowledge.</p>
<blockquote><p>“Knowledge does away with darkness, suspense and doubt; for these cannot exist where knowledge is. In knowledge there is power. <strong>God has more power than all other beings, because He has greater knowledge</strong>; and hence He knows how to subject all other beings to Him. He has power over all.”  (1843)</p>
<p>“When men open their lips against [the truth] they do not injure me, but <strong>injure themselves</strong>.  When things that are of the greatest importance are passed over by weak-minded men without even a thought, I want to see truth in all its bearings and hug it to my bosom. I believe all that God ever revealed, and I never hear of a man being damned for believing too much; but they are damned for unbelief.”  (1844)</p>
<p>“As far as we degenerate from God, we descend to the devil and <strong>lose knowledge</strong>, and without knowledge we cannot be saved, and while our hearts are filled with evil, and we are studying evil, there is no room in our hearts for good, or studying good. Is not God good? Then you be good; if He is faithful, then you be faithful. Add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, and seek for every good thing.  A man is saved no faster than he gets knowledge, for if he does not get knowledge, he will be brought into captivity by some evil power in the other world, as <strong>evil spirits will have more knowledge, and consequently more power than many men who are on the earth</strong>. Hence it needs revelation to assist us, and give us knowledge of the things of God.”  (1842)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">How do we sometimes let doubt create distance between us and additional spiritual knowledge?  How does listening to bad (spiritual) teaching cause us to lose (spiritual) knowledge?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Does pursuit of knowledge (facts, information) sometimes lead to loss of knowledge (spiritual knowledge, revelation, closeness to God)?  How can we avoid that while still embracing learning?</span></p>
<p>So, this is a pretty good lesson, IMO.  What do you think of some of the questions it poses?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Virtual RS/PH #20 &#8211; A Heart Full of Love &amp; Faith:  The Prophet&#8217;s Letters to His Family</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This lesson discusses the written correspondence Joseph sent to Emma during his frequent absences.  IMO, this is a tough lesson for many reasons, so read on to see how you would make the most of it.  The main difficulties with this lesson are: Lack of context.  The letters (snippets) are presented without any context of the rocky relationship that existed between Joseph and Emma.  Although his polygamy was a sore topic with many ups and downs, none of that is mentioned to contextualize the relationship in the letters.  There were other points of discord between them that are also not mentioned.  It only references things like where they were and whether Emma was pregnant at the time or if a child had been sick. No doctrine.  There is no doctrinal content whatsoever, just snippets of letters. &#8220;Gag me with a spoon&#8221; factor.  Like all letters from this era, the language is flowery and exaggerated.  The style of writing is clichéd and designed to obfuscate meaning through emotionalism rather than to communicate directly and clearly.  What&#8217;s next?  A walk through &#8220;Cupid&#8217;s Grove&#8221; with Abigail and John Adams?  I know this kind of stuff is really appealing to some people; it&#8217;s just not my [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This lesson discusses the written correspondence Joseph sent to Emma during his frequent absences.  IMO, this is a tough lesson for many reasons, so read on to see how you would make the most of it. <span id="more-2891"></span></p>
<p>The main difficulties with this lesson are:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Lack of context</strong>.  The letters (snippets) are presented without any context of the rocky relationship that existed between Joseph and Emma.  Although his polygamy was a sore topic with many ups and downs, none of that is mentioned to contextualize the relationship in the letters.  There were other points of discord between them that are also not mentioned.  It only references things like where they were and whether Emma was pregnant at the time or if a child had been sick.</li>
<li><strong>No doctrine</strong>.  There is no doctrinal content whatsoever, just snippets of letters.</li>
<li><strong>&#8220;Gag me with a spoon&#8221; factor</strong>.  Like all letters from this era, the language is flowery and exaggerated.  The style of writing is clichéd and designed to obfuscate meaning through emotionalism rather than to communicate directly and clearly.  What&#8217;s next?  A walk through &#8220;Cupid&#8217;s Grove&#8221; with Abigail and John Adams?  I know this kind of stuff is really appealing to some people; it&#8217;s just not my thing.  I&#8217;m sort of glad we quit signing letters &#8220;Your humble servant.&#8221;</li>
<li><strong>Weak Application</strong>.  The letters are personal with no inherent universal application.  That, coupled with the ambiguous state of the Smith marriage (which is neatly avoided), and the nature of letters from this period (the sentimentality) greatly reduces their applicability.  Likening the scriptures unto ourselves is one thing; likening letters between Joseph and Emma to ourselves is much more difficult, especially with no meaningful context (although in this case, the context would probably make it even more meaningless to current lay members).</li>
</ol>
<p>There are a few hints at the on-and-off strain in the relationship:</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;And as to yourself, if you want to know how much I want to see you, examine your feelings, how much you want to see me, and judge for yourself.&#8221;  (1839)</li>
<li>&#8220;O Emma, … do not forsake me nor the truth, but remember me.&#8221;  (1838)</li>
</ul>
<p>My favorite snippet, that seems much very folksy and personable.  He had a real fondness for that dog:</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;I want you to try to gain time and write to me a long letter and tell me all you can and even if old Major is alive yet and what those little prattlers say that cling around your neck.&#8221;  (1839)</li>
</ul>
<p>Difficulties are naturally presented in highly emotional ways with a religious persecution spin.  There is a desire for the stories to be recast in a way that motivates further religious and familial devotion; for example:</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;Tell them I am in prison that their lives might be saved.&#8221;  (1839)</li>
</ul>
<p>I&#8217;ve read a lot of things written in this time period, and I have to wonder.  The following frankly sounds like an oblique reference to a conjugal visit:</p>
<ul>
<li>“I take the liberty to tender you my sincere thanks for the two <em>interesting and consoling</em> visits that you have made me during my almost exiled situation. Tongue cannot express the gratitude of my heart, for the warm and true-hearted friendship you have manifested <em>in these things</em> towards me.&#8221;  (1842)</li>
</ul>
<p>The questions provided in the lesson are not tremendously helpful either, but here is the direction I would take it to maximize personal applicability (sticking to the questions in bold).  The below is straight from the manual, except where indicated:</p>
<ul>
<li>Briefly review this chapter, noting Joseph Smith’s feelings toward Emma and their children.  What does his example teach about how we should speak and act in our families?  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">(Don&#8217;t write down anything negative?  Don&#8217;t express your true feelings in letters?  Accentuate the positive?)</span></em> What can we learn from Joseph and Emma Smith’s efforts to write to one another and to see one another?  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>(Very little since there is no context and only one side to the conversation).</em></span> <strong>What are some things you have done to show family members that you love them?</strong></li>
<li>The Prophet Joseph told Emma that he was “a true and faithful friend to [her] and the children forever,” and he thanked her for her “warm and true-hearted friendship” (pages 242, 246). <strong>What can husbands and wives do to nurture their friendship?</strong> <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">(Well, if I&#8217;m right about the conjugal visit . . .  But seriously, folks.  I think this is a helpful question, and I would just let the sisters discuss.)</span></em></li>
<li>In his letters, Joseph Smith showed trust in Emma, expressing confidence that she would make good decisions and do all she could to take care of the family (page 245). How might such expressions of trust influence the relationship between a husband and a wife?  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>(You could say he was expressing confidence in her ability to take care of the family in his absence, or you could say he was reminding her of her duties.  Given that he was largely absent, his instructions seem custodial to me and would probably tick me off.  Still, you could just throw out this question to the group about how you can build trust in a marriage, regardless of whether his letters are a good example of that.)</em> </span><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>How can we build trust in our marriages?</strong></span></li>
<li>Read the Prophet Joseph’s message to his children in the second paragraph on page 246. How might it have helped his children to receive this news?  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">(It made it clear to them that the thing that stood between them and their loving father was the mob.)</span></em> <strong>During times of trial, what can parents do to show their children that they have faith in God?</strong><em><span style="color: #0000ff;"> </span></em></li>
<li>Review Joseph Smith’s expressions of trust in God found on pages 243–46. Identify several of these expressions that are particularly touching to you.  How can you apply these truths in your life?<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em> (Since this is not presenting &#8220;truth,&#8221; so much as faith, I would repurpose the question to &#8220;</em><strong><span style="color: #000000;">How can trials strengthen your faith in God?</span></strong><em>&#8221; which I realize is too broad and a lot like the last question.)</em></span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Since there is not a lot of meat here (which could be the upside of this lesson&#8211;it&#8217;s different from the other lessons), I will mention a few other lesson ideas I&#8217;ve seen bandied about (all of which sound pretty good to me at filling the allotted time):</span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="color: #000000;">Have a man come in to read the letter snippets so people can hear them in a &#8220;Joseph&#8221; voice.  He could even tie his tie in a bow and put his shirt collars up in true 1830s fashion, if you are daring.<br />
</span></li>
<li>Print the snippets out on old-style parchment paper with a seal and have sisters read them aloud.  A little crafty for my taste, but you could do it.</li>
<li>Take time at the end of class to write a letter to loved one(s) sharing your faith, love, and trust.  Perhaps a little &#8220;precious,&#8221; but again, there&#8217;s time here to be filled.</li>
</ul>
<p>That is the best I&#8217;ve got, gang.  Let me know your thoughts on what you think works best for this lesson.</p>
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		<title>Virtual RS/PH:  Stand Fast Through the Storms of Life</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/10/19/virtual-rsph-stand-fast-through-the-storms-of-life/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This week&#8217;s lesson is an interesting compilation of horrifying stories of persecution and suffering from the life of Joseph Smith.  Read on if you dare . . . Rather than spend too much time deconstructing this lesson, I will refer the teachers to the write-up done by douglashunter on feastuponthewordblog.  I am not going to present this week&#8217;s lesson in the usual form, but instead just posit a few questions as food for thought. The lesson brings up a few interesting points about Joseph&#8217;s views on suffering.  Specifically, suffering is a means to a religious end: God tests us through our trials. Suffering puts us on par with &#8220;the ancients.&#8221; What the lesson doesn&#8217;t talk about is the fact that not all suffering fits these categories, and most of the suffering endured in the examples in the lesson is related to physical torture at the hands of individuals who were persecuting Joseph for religious reasons.  What is not addressed, but will likely be inferred by everyone in the class (and is somewhat implied by the picture of an intubated hospital patient visiting with family included in the manual) is that ALL suffering, even just inconvenience or illness, could be a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=e8b720596a845110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&amp;contentLocale=0">lesson</a> is an interesting compilation of horrifying stories of persecution and suffering from the life of Joseph Smith.  Read on if you dare . . .<span id="more-2521"></span></p>
<p>Rather than spend too much time deconstructing this lesson, I will refer the teachers to the write-up done by <a href="http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/10/05/lesson-19/">douglashunter</a> on feastuponthewordblog.  I am not going to present this week&#8217;s lesson in the usual form, but instead just posit a few questions as food for thought.</p>
<p>The lesson brings up a few interesting points about Joseph&#8217;s views on suffering.  Specifically, suffering is a means to a religious end:</p>
<ul>
<li>God tests us through our trials.</li>
<li>Suffering puts us on par with &#8220;the ancients.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>What the lesson doesn&#8217;t talk about is the fact that not all suffering fits these categories, and most of the suffering endured in the examples in the lesson is related to physical torture at the hands of individuals who were persecuting Joseph for religious reasons.  What is not addressed, but will likely be inferred by everyone in the class (and is somewhat implied by the picture of an intubated hospital patient visiting with family included in the manual) is that ALL suffering, even just inconvenience or illness, could be a trial of our faith designed to test us and put us on par with the ancients.  Nothing in the text really says that, and it seems like a problematic conclusion.  What about:</p>
<ul>
<li>trials we bring on ourselves through our own stupidity or lack of foresight?</li>
<li>trials brought upon us through happenstance?</li>
<li>trials caused by individuals who are exercising their free agency to our detriment?</li>
<li>trials endured by an individual that have no basis in religion whatsover?</li>
</ul>
<p>On the upside, the lesson does seem to encourage us to rely on others and on God in our trials.  On the downside, there may be a tendency to believe that our trials are always from God, are always a test of our muster, or are always ultimately for our benefit.  Obviously, being the victim of sexual abuse doesn&#8217;t really fit this stereotype, and there are many other possible examples.</p>
<p>The problem with this view is similar to concepts shared in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle">Karpman Triangle</a>.  The Karpman Triangle explains mental games that people play (perceptions of reality) that are self-fulfilling and actually stall one&#8217;s progress as an individual.  In the Karpman Triangle, events and interactions are viewed as having a victim, a persecutor, and a rescuer.  In the example of the tarring &amp; feathering that took place at the John Johnson home, the story is retold with the Karpman Triangle players all intact:  Sidney and Joseph are the victims, the mob is the persecutor, and Joseph&#8217;s friends and wife are the rescuers.  In this case, the model may be fairly accurate.  In many cases it is not, but it gives individuals an excuse for unproductive behavior.</p>
<p>The problem with this model is that it absolves &#8220;victims&#8221; of responsibility or the need to take action; it villifies &#8220;persecutors&#8221; in a very black and white manner, and it ennobles &#8220;rescuers&#8221; to an extent that they don&#8217;t necessarily merit.  Sometimes, victims are complicit.  Sometimes rescuers are self-serving busybodies, and sometimes persecutors are victims of circumstance, misunderstanding, or accident.</p>
<p>So, what do you think?  Is the view of suffering as a means to religious ends helpful or harmful or both?  Discuss.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are some interesting parallels between the first family of the Book of Mormon and the first family of the Restoration (the Smiths).  Coincidence?  Or was Joseph Smith writing about his own family (vs. translating the story of another family)? Here are a few of the parallels between Lehi&#8217;s family and Joseph Smith&#8217;s family: Both had visionary fathers. In fact, according to Lucy Mack Smith&#8217;s account, both fathers had a vision that was nearly identical&#8211;the vision of the tree of life.  Is this a coincidence?  Is Lehi&#8217;s dream an archetypal religious dream that many have to illustrate the same concept (similar to dreams of your name being written in the Book of Life)?  Was Lucy Mack a little confused in attributing this dream to her husband? Both families were &#8220;of goodly parents.&#8221; In both cases, the mother and father were both very committed and focused on their families also. Both families went on a journey to fulfill a religious destiny. Both families left their personal belongings behind; they made a temporal sacrifice for a religious purpose. Nephi and Joseph are both middle children who inherit the prophetic mantle from their father.  Both are emotionally supported by their parents. Nephi and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some interesting parallels between the first family of the Book of Mormon and the first family of the Restoration (the Smiths).  Coincidence?  Or was Joseph Smith writing about his own family (vs. translating the story of another family)?</p>
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<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lehi0001.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1910 alignright" title="lehi0001" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lehi0001.jpg" alt="" width="246" height="123" /></a>Here are a few of the parallels between Lehi&#8217;s family and Joseph Smith&#8217;s family:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Both had visionary fathers.</strong> In fact, according to Lucy Mack Smith&#8217;s account, both fathers had a vision that was nearly identical&#8211;the vision of the tree of life.  Is this a coincidence?  Is Lehi&#8217;s dream an archetypal religious dream that many have to illustrate the same concept (similar to dreams of your name being written in the Book of Life)?  Was Lucy Mack a little confused in attributing this dream to her husband?</li>
<li><strong>Both families were &#8220;of goodly parents.&#8221;</strong> In both cases, the mother and father were both very committed and focused on their families also.</li>
<li><strong>Both families went on a journey to fulfill a religious destiny.</strong> Both families left their personal belongings behind; they made a temporal sacrifice for a religious purpose.</li>
<li><strong>Nephi and Joseph are both middle children</strong> who inherit the prophetic mantle from their father.  Both are emotionally supported by their parents.</li>
<li><strong>Nephi and Joseph both feel deeply</strong>.  Both have low moments recorded in scripture (the &#8220;psalms of Nephi&#8221; and D&amp;C 121).</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lehi_stone.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1911 alignright" title="lehi_stone" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lehi_stone.jpg" alt="" width="156" height="156" /></a>There are some key differences:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Joseph&#8217;s family was supportive of his prophetic calling. </strong> There was no Laman or Lemuel in the Smith family, including in Father Smith&#8217;s vision of the tree of life.</li>
<li><strong>Joseph and Nephi have very different personalities</strong> from one another.  Joseph is boisterous and laughs too much, while Nephi is basically a kill-joy.</li>
<li><strong>Lehi&#8217;s family left wealth behind in Jerusalem. </strong> Joseph&#8217;s family had always been very poor and had to work hard to earn a living.</li>
<li><strong>City slickers vs. townies. </strong> Lehi&#8217;s family were originally city dwellers, and Joseph&#8217;s family always lived in smaller agricultural communities.</li>
<li><strong>Sariah&#8217;s role is not nearly as prominent</strong> in the BOM record as Lucy Mack&#8217;s role is in the restoration.  Lucy Mack Smith is very clearly an assertive, intelligent woman who is at the helm of decision-making.  Sariah is portrayed as mostly a supporter to her husband.</li>
<li><strong>Joseph Sr. was by some accounts a broken man </strong>who had repeatedly failed to succeed economically but had the unwavering support of his family.  Is the portrait of Lehi Joseph&#8217;s attempt to repaint his father in a more idealized image?</li>
</ul>
<p>Would the lost book of Lehi reveal more parallels or differences?  This is one of the arguments against BOM historicity put forward in <em>An Insider&#8217;s View of Mormon Origins</em> by Grant Palmer, although the coincidences had occurred to me independently.</p>
<p>Personally, I find the comparison interesting from a literary perspective (I have made more tenuous connections than this work in some of my English papers back in the day), but ultimately unconvincing to me personally due to my own spiritual experiences with the book and the equally persuasive differences.  The Book of Mormon (to quote Richard Bushman) seems to me to be &#8220;greater than the sum of its parts.&#8221;</p>
<p>What do you think?  Coincidence or autobiography?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>The Book of Mormon: A 20th Century Text</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many positions on which century the Book of Mormon originated in, but most seem to fall into two general camps: the book was largely produced in the fifth century by Moroni, or in the nineteenth century by Joseph Smith. There is a third view: the text was largely produced in the 20th century by committees of LDS Church employees. Let me explain: when I say production, I mean the process of presenting, formatting, editing, shaping, and summarizing which goes along with creating a readable document for mass consumption. When I first read portions of the original and printer&#8217;s manuscripts of the Book of Mormon, I was struck by how differently the text read than the smooth twentieth century edition I was raised with. The 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon was presided over by a committee of apostles including Thomas Monson (presumably for his professional background in printing) and Bruce McConkie and Boyd Packer (presumably for their doctrinal expertise). It is believed that the chapter summaries found in this edition of the Book of Mormon were written either solely or primarily by McConkie. The 1981 edition is also the edition which has been most read by Mormons [...]]]></description>
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<p>There are many positions on which century the Book of Mormon originated in, but most seem to fall into two general camps: the book was largely produced in the fifth century by Moroni, or in the nineteenth century by Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>There is a third view: the text was largely produced in the 20<sup>th</sup> century by committees of LDS  Church employees.</p>
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<p>Let me explain: when I say production, I mean the process of presenting, formatting, editing, shaping, and summarizing which goes along with creating a readable document for mass consumption.  When I first read portions of the original and printer&#8217;s manuscripts of the Book of Mormon, I was struck by how differently the text read than the smooth twentieth century edition I was raised with.</p>
<p>The 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon was presided over by a committee of apostles including Thomas Monson (presumably for his professional background in printing) and Bruce McConkie and Boyd Packer (presumably for their doctrinal expertise).  It is believed that the chapter summaries found in this edition of the Book of Mormon were written either solely or primarily by McConkie.</p>
<p>The 1981 edition is also the edition which has been most read by Mormons and non-Mormons, especially since President Benson&#8217;s push to flood the earth (or at least, thrift store bookshelves) with the Book of Mormon.  Not many of us have the 1920 edition at hand or earlier versions.  I remember my surprise when I compared my 1981 version&#8217;s rendition of &#8220;pure and delightsome&#8221; to refer to the Lamanites in 2 Nephi to my mom&#8217;s pre-1981 version of the same verse which read &#8220;white and delightsome.&#8221;  Some twenty-odd major textual changes of this type were made to the 1981 edition, apparently by preferring the original manuscript to the printer&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Do you think a heavily edited production of the text (edited for spelling, grammar, punctuation, chapter summaries which highlight points of doctrine important to the editors, ) enhances respect for the text,  and therefore increases the believability of, claims for historicity of the events depicted in the Book of Mormon?  Or does it detract from the claims of historicity by seeming <em>too</em> clean, <em>too</em> &#8220;produced&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>Virtual RS/PH #17:  The Great Plan of Salvation</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A unique facet of Mormonism is our view of God&#8217;s plan for his children, or our purpose in life.  Today&#8217;s lesson focuses on what JS restored regarding this plan. The beginning of the lesson talks about Joseph&#8217;s re-translation of the Bible (the JST) that resulted in clarifying passages and words throughout the Bible, the Book of Moses, the expansion of Matthew 24, and several &#8220;spin-off&#8221; revelations as Joseph asked for further enlightenment about different principles, including D&#38;C 74, 76, 77, 86 and 91.  From the Book of Moses: &#8220;For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.”  Moses:  1:37, 39 The &#8220;Plan of Salvation&#8221; as we have it today resulted from JS&#8217;s efforts to restore &#8220;plain and precious&#8221; parts of the scriptures that would more clearly explain what happened before we were born, what happens after we die, and why we are here on the earth.  Some components that were restored or clarified by JS: That we existed before birth in a pre-mortal world with God &#38; Jesus.  Exactly what this looked like is still up for grabs, though.  Did we live in families?  In BYU-approved housing?  Was there a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A unique facet of Mormonism is our view of God&#8217;s plan for his children, or our purpose in life.  Today&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=c5a720596a845110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&amp;contentLocale=0">lesson</a> focuses on what JS restored regarding this plan.<span id="more-1616"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/planofsalvation.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1618 alignright" title="planofsalvation" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/planofsalvation.jpg" alt="" width="202" height="158" /></a>The beginning of the lesson talks about Joseph&#8217;s re-translation of the Bible (the JST) that resulted in clarifying passages and words throughout the Bible, the Book of Moses, the expansion of Matthew 24, and several &#8220;spin-off&#8221; revelations as Joseph asked for further enlightenment about different principles, including D&amp;C 74, 76, 77, 86 and 91.  From the Book of Moses:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.”  Moses:  1:37, 39</p></blockquote>
<p>The &#8220;Plan of Salvation&#8221; as we have it today resulted from JS&#8217;s efforts to restore &#8220;plain and precious&#8221; parts of the scriptures that would more clearly explain what happened before we were born, what happens after we die, and why we are here on the earth.  Some components that were restored or clarified by JS:</p>
<ul>
<li>That we existed before birth in a pre-mortal world with God &amp; Jesus.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Exactly what this looked like is still up for grabs, though.  Did we live in families?  In BYU-approved housing?  Was there a dress code?</span></em></li>
<li>That there was a plan, and we all sanctioned it.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Even those who have never voted in a single election apparently weighed in on this one.</span></em></li>
<li>That Satan had an alternate plan that was rejected, resulting in his being cast out.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">I always wonder if we had debates or if we vacillated at all; or were we just so dang smart we immediately saw through that &#8220;bad&#8221; plan?</span></em></li>
<li>That matter is eternal; that God &#8220;organized&#8221; rather than &#8220;created&#8221; the earth.  That we are eternal in nature, without beginning or end.  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>This puts us on much more equal footing with God than in other faiths, and is considered blasphemous to some.  Yet, as a Mormon, I have to say this is one aspect of our religion that totally ROCKS!</em></span></li>
<li>That obtaining a body, gaining knowledge and growing in faith are the purpose of life on earth.  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>This is a Mormon way of putting it; the Protestant version is that we believe our works save us rather than grace.  It is through grace we are saved; it is through our progression we increase our ability to withstand glory (God&#8217;s and our own).</em></span></li>
<li>That beings with bodies are more powerful than beings of Spirit only.  The body is not a corruption that defiles us; it glorifies us and is a part of the soul.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">This is again, a very unique teaching of Mormonism.  The body is not just a hollow husk that we gratefully discard at death; it is essential to our progress, and it is more glorious and powerful than spirit alone.</span></em></li>
<li>That each of us has moral agency and will be held responsible for our choices of good or evil; that those choices affect our ability to receive and channel spiritual light.  We are constantly in motion, either progressing or digressing.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">This idea that it&#8217;s not really possible to stand still is probably true, but a little disturbing.  Life is long.</span></em></li>
<li>That our eternal reward is not pass/fail, but is based on the degree of glory we have attained through enlightenment, faith, increasing our intelligence, and becoming like Christ and our father in Heaven.  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>Another aspect of Mormonism that I find very appealing; we are not &#8220;God&#8217;s pets,&#8221; but His children.</em></span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Are there other specific aspects of the plan of salvation and the purpose of life that we know because of revelations to the Prophet Joseph Smith that I missed? </em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Which of these do you find most compelling, enlightening and helpful?  Are there any you don&#8217;t care for or find helpful?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Do you like our plan of salvation more or less than those proposed by other religions (e.g. Hinduism, Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism)?  What do you like and not like?</em></span></p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/heavenlyfathermodifiedmr71.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1620 alignright" title="heavenlyfathermodifiedmr71" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/heavenlyfathermodifiedmr71.jpg" alt="" width="169" height="131" /></a><strong>Eternal Intelligences</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“Intelligence is eternal and exists upon a self-existent principle. It is a spirit from age to age and there is no creation about it. All the minds and spirits that God ever sent into the world are susceptible of enlargement.  God himself, finding he was in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was more intelligent, saw proper to institute laws whereby the rest could have a privilege to advance like himself. The relationship we have with God places us in a situation to advance in knowledge. He has power to institute laws to instruct the weaker intelligences, that they may be exalted with himself, so that they might have one glory upon another, and all that knowledge, power, glory, and intelligence, which is requisite in order to save them in the world of spirits.”  (1844)</p></blockquote>
<p><em><span style="color: #800080;">Q: How does this influence the way we understand our own nature?  How does this influence how we should treat other people?</span></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Are you one of the stronger or weaker intelligences?  How do you know?  When you meet a weaker intelligence, do you think &#8220;I am so awesome!&#8221;?  Do you think that&#8217;s what happens when a stronger intelligence meets you?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>Bodies Rule!</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“The design of God before the foundation of the world was that we should take tabernacles [bodies], that through faithfulness we should overcome and thereby obtain a resurrection from the dead, in this wise obtaining glory, honor, power, and dominion.”  (1843)</p>
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<p>“We came to this earth that we might have a body and present it pure before God in the celestial kingdom. The great principle of happiness consists in having a body. The devil has no body, and herein is his punishment. He is pleased when he can obtain the tabernacle of man, and when cast out by the Savior he asked to go into the herd of swine, showing that he would prefer a swine’s body to having none. All beings who have bodies have power over those who have not.”  (undated, JS quoted by William Clayton)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How does this knowledge affect the way we should care for our bodies?  How is this unique perspective different from other religions?  From secular views?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How can we strengthen the connection between our bodies and spirits to make our bodies receptacles of light?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>You Wish The Devil Made You Do It</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“President Joseph Smith … observed that Satan was generally blamed for the evils which we did, but if he was the cause of all our wickedness, men could not be condemned. The devil could not compel mankind to do evil; all was voluntary. Those who resisted the Spirit of God, would be liable to be led into temptation, and then the association of heaven would be withdrawn from those who refused to be made partakers of such great glory. God would not exert any compulsory means, and the devil could not; and such ideas as were entertained [on these subjects] by many were absurd.”  (1841, paraphrased in Times &amp; Seasons)</p>
<p>“Satan cannot seduce us by his enticements unless we in our hearts consent and yield. Our organization is such that we can resist the devil; if we were not organized so, we would not be free agents.”  (1841, JS quoted by William P. McIntire)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Does this view marginalize Satan&#8217;s influence because we are really the ones who are free agents and responsible for our actions?  Would you rather you could blame Satan for your shortcomings?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Does Satan like his job or does he think it totally blows but he&#8217;s just putting on a happy face for the minions?  Does he get burned out?  Is he just watching the millennial clock?</em></span></p>
<p>For the teachers out there, good luck!  For the rest of you, discuss.</p>
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		<title>How Active Are You? How Orthodox Are You? A Self-Assessment</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Take this assessment and find out: (Taken from D. Jeff Burton&#8217;s For Those Who Wonder : forthosewhowonder.com. Similar to a Correlation Department survey on Religion and Life conducted among LDS Church members in the mid-1980s)]]></description>
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<p>Take this assessment and find out:</p>
<p>(Taken from D. Jeff Burton&#8217;s <em>For Those Who Wonder</em> : <a href="http://forthosewhowonder.com" target="_blank">forthosewhowonder.com</a>. Similar to a Correlation Department survey on <em>Religion and Life </em>conducted among LDS Church members in the mid-1980s)<br />
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<p><strong>Section I: Measures of Participation and Activity in Standard Church Programs</strong></p>
<p><strong>1</strong>.  How often do you attend the temple?<span id="more-1172"></span></p>
<p>(Use this first set if you live near a temple, e.g. within a 2 hour drive)</p>
<p>0 pts.) No temple recommend; no attendance in one year</p>
<p>1 pt.) No temple recommend now, but had one last year</p>
<p>2 pts.) 1-2 times per year</p>
<p>3 pts.) 3-4 times per year</p>
<p>4 pts.) 5-10 times per year</p>
<p>5 pts.) Once a month, or more</p>
<p>(Use this set if you live far-more than a 2 hour drive)</p>
<p>0) No temple recommend</p>
<p>1) No temple recommend now, but had one last year</p>
<p>2) Once per year</p>
<p>3) Once or twice per year</p>
<p>4) Two times per year</p>
<p>5) Three to four times per year</p>
<p><strong>2</strong>. How much of the Word of Wisdom do you follow?</p>
<p>0) I ignore the Word of Wisdom</p>
<p>1) Not very much</p>
<p>2) I abstain from alcohol and tobacco, most of the time</p>
<p>3) I abstain from alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea almost always</p>
<p>4) All of above, all of the time</p>
<p>5) All of above plus caffeine drinks, chocolate, and/or meat in winter</p>
<p><strong>3. </strong>If you should receive a church calling from your bishop, you would:</p>
<p>0) Never accept</p>
<p>1) Rarely accept</p>
<p>2) Accept only if convenient and desirable for me</p>
<p>3) Accept if certain conditions are met</p>
<p>4) Accept after discussion and prayer</p>
<p>5) Always accept without question</p>
<p><strong>4. </strong>Describe your attendance at regular meetings (e.g. Sunday School, priesthood meeting or Relief Society, sacrament meeting, Mutual, as applicable)</p>
<p>0) Never attend</p>
<p>1) Rarely attend, e.g. one meeting per month, any church meeting</p>
<p>2) Occasionally (less  than 40%)</p>
<p>3) Quite often (40-75%)</p>
<p>4) Regularly (more than 75%)</p>
<p>5) Never miss any meetings</p>
<p><strong>5. </strong>During an average week, how many hours do you spend in church-related activities? (Attendance at all church meetings, socials, lesson preparation, home/visiting teaching, etc.)</p>
<p>0) 0</p>
<p>1) 1</p>
<p>2) 2</p>
<p>3) 3-4</p>
<p>4) 5-6</p>
<p>5) 7 or more</p>
<p><strong>6. </strong>Describe your actual donations to the Church during the past few years.</p>
<p>0) No donations to Church</p>
<p>1) Irregular donations only, and only if asked</p>
<p>2) Occasional donations</p>
<p>3) Part tithe payer plus occasional other donations</p>
<p>4) Usually full tithe payer plus other offerings</p>
<p>5) Full tithe payer plus all other offerings</p>
<p><em>Scoring. </em>The above questions are a rough measure of your activity and participation in traditional Church programs.  Count the scores based on your answers.  The following results are not definitive but suggest trends:</p>
<p>22-30 Very active; high participation</p>
<p>15-21 Moderately active</p>
<p>7-14 Moderately non-active</p>
<p>0-6 Very non-active, little participation</p>
<p>We will use these results in Section 3.  If you scored 15 or higher, consider yourself &#8220;active&#8221;.  If  you scored 14 or lower, consider yourself &#8220;non-active&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Section II. Measures of Belief (Parts A and B, below)</strong></p>
<p>In this section we ask you to describe your real, personal thoughts and conclusions about the statements shown below.  Answer honestly, not as you think you should. Please see the scale below.</p>
<p>&lt;Increasing Doubt                 No Opinion/No Belief                    Increasing Belief&gt;</p>
<p>_________________________________________________________________________</p>
<p>0            1          2           3          4          5          6         7         8          9            10</p>
<p>Examples: (10) 2 plus 2 equals 4. (3) A Republican will be elected president in the next election. (5) James Quentin Smith is a parliamentarian in New Zealand.</p>
<p>Zero (0) represents negative knowledge-&#8221;I know the statement isn&#8217;t correct.  I know it isn&#8217;t true.&#8221; Numbers 4 to 1 represent increasing doubt-&#8221;I don&#8217;t know for sure, but I doubt it is correct.  I don&#8217;t think the statement is true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Number (5) represents lack of information and lack of belief one way or the other-&#8221;I don&#8217;t know; I have no opinion; I have no thoughts one way or the other&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ten (10) represents positive knowledge-&#8221; I know the statement is correct; I know it is true beyond any doubt.&#8221; Numbers between 6 and 9 represent increasingly strong belief-&#8221;I don&#8217;t know for sure, but I believe the statement is true;&#8221; &#8220;I think it is correct&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Part A. Beliefs about the Church and its Unique Doctrines</strong></p>
<p>The following statements represent common doctrines and teachings which set the LDS religion apart from other religious creeds and organizations. Please indicate your level of belief in the following statements.</p>
<p>Remember, record what you truly think, not what you&#8217;re supposed to think, and not what you are willing to accept by faith.</p>
<p>1. (  ) The LDS Church is the one and only true church.</p>
<p>2. (  ) It is God&#8217;s wish that we avoid alcohol and tobacco.</p>
<p>3. (  ) Both God and Jesus came to a grove of trees in which Joseph Smith was praying.</p>
<p>4. (  ) The Book of Mormon was translated from golden plates which the angel Moroni gave Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>5. (  ) LDS scriptures (e.g., Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price) are the word of God.</p>
<p>6. (  ) God directs Church leaders in their work for the Church.</p>
<p>7. (  ) The temple ceremony was written under the inspiration of God.</p>
<p>8. (  ) Christ&#8217;s gospel is being correctly taught by the Church.</p>
<p>9. (  ) The afterlife consists of three kingdoms (e.g., Celestial Kingdom, etc.)</p>
<p>10. (  ) It is important to gain a testimony that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God.</p>
<p>The above statements attempt to measure your personal beliefs about the Church&#8217;s unique teachings and doctrines.  Add and score your answers as follows:</p>
<p>76-100 Strong belief and acceptance of Church&#8217;s unique teachings</p>
<p>50-75 Moderate belief and acceptance</p>
<p>25-49 More doubt than belief</p>
<p>0-24 Serious doubts about the Church&#8217;s teachings</p>
<p>We will be using these results in Section III. Count yourself a &#8220;Believer in unique Church teachings&#8221; if you scored 50-100 and a &#8220;Disbeliever in unique Church teachings&#8221; if you scored 49 or less.</p>
<p><strong>Part B. Beliefs about your personal relationship to God and your feelings about Christ and his teachings.</strong></p>
<p>This section tries to measure your thoughts and conclusions about your relationship to God and about your personal beliefs about Christ and his teachings.</p>
<p>Please rank your beliefs, as above, 0-10.</p>
<p>1. (  ) God exists.</p>
<p>2. (  ) Christ was crucified for my sins.</p>
<p>3. (  ) God often answers my prayers, directly or indirectly.</p>
<p>4. (  ) The gospel of Jesus Christ is very important to me.</p>
<p>5. (  ) I have been personally blessed by God.</p>
<p>6. (  ) I feel close to God; I feel that Christ is my brother.</p>
<p>7. (  ) Baptism and the taking of the sacrament provide for the forgiveness of sin.</p>
<p>8. (  ) Christ&#8217;s teachings are a blueprint for life and behavior.</p>
<p>9. (  ) It is important to gain a testimony that Christ is the Savior of the world.</p>
<p>10. (  ) The Bible is the word of God.</p>
<p>Score your answers as follows.</p>
<p>76-100 Strong personal beliefs in God and Jesus Christ; positive relationship with God.</p>
<p>50-75 Moderate personal belief in God and Jesus Christ; a developing relationship with God.</p>
<p>25-49 Moderate personal disbelief in God and Jesus Christ; weak personal relationship with God.</p>
<p>0-24 Serious doubts about God, Jesus Christ, and his teachings; little personal relationship with God.</p>
<p>Please count yourself a &#8220;Personal believer in God and Jesus&#8221; if you scored 50-100.</p>
<p>Please count yourself a &#8220;Personal disbeliever in God and Jesus&#8221; if you scored 0-49.</p>
<p><strong>Section III. Results and Discussion</strong></p>
<p>You will note that there are many possible combinations of belief or lack thereof in God and Jesus and in unique LDS teachings, and in activity versus nonactivity.  So that one could presumably score as an active personal believer in God and Jesus and as a personal believer in unique LDS teachings, but one could also score as an inactive personal believer in God and Jesus and in unique LDS teachings.  One could also be an active personal disbeliever in God and Jesus but be a personal believer of unique LDS teachings.  I have witnessed this phenomenon several times.</p>
<p>I will omit Burton&#8217;s discussion points for this section and open it up to our readers to discuss the implications.  I will simply add this caveat of Burton&#8217;s, that this assessment is designed to measure <em>intellectual beliefs</em> with activity, not <em>faithfulness</em> with activity-&#8221;Many people simply cannot separate faith and intellectual belief. This works to the benefit of some (those who live by faith) and to the detriment of others (those who see lack of belief as lack of faith).&#8221;</p>
<p>So share if you dare, or simply sit back and contemplate the combinations and their consequences for our church!</a></p>
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		<title>Is the Internet a Urim &amp; Thummim?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2008/08/20/is-the-internet-a-urim-thummim/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is a Urim &#38; Thummim, and how will the earth become like one? Is this like the statement by Brigham Young that missionaries would teach people on the moon and the sun? (still waiting for that mission call)  Or is it an example of a pre-industrial man trying to explain 21st century technology in terms he understood? What is a Urim &#38; Thummim? Literal translation yields several choices:  &#8220;truth and light,&#8221; &#8220;lights and perfections,&#8221; &#8220;revelation and truth&#8221; or &#8220;truth and doctrine.&#8221; An ancient form of communication with God along with dreams and prophets.  (like lds.org?) Sometimes they were used by prophets, but the implication is that they could also be used by others to answer yes/no questions.  (Sounds like binary code to me, the basis of all computer programming . . .) So, what was the prophecy? Joseph Smith said (in April 1843): &#8220;The earth when it is purified will be made like unto crystal (or a computer monitor perhaps?) and will be a Urim &#38; Thummim whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom or all kingdoms of a lower order will be manifest to those who dwell on it.&#8221;  (it could be called &#8220;wiki-worlds&#8221;  CK could stay [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a Urim &amp; Thummim, and how will the earth become like one?<span id="more-740"></span></p>
<p>Is this like the statement by Brigham Young that missionaries would teach people on the moon and the sun? (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>still waiting for that mission call</em></span>)  Or is it an example of a pre-industrial man trying to explain 21st century technology in terms he understood?</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/images/casting_lots/urim.jpg" alt="http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/images/casting_lots/urim.jpg" width="162" height="129" /><strong>What is a Urim &amp; Thummim?</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Literal translation yields several choices:  &#8220;truth and light,&#8221; &#8220;lights and perfections,&#8221; &#8220;revelation and truth&#8221; or &#8220;truth and doctrine.&#8221;</li>
<li>An ancient form of communication with God along with dreams and prophets.  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>like lds.org?</em></span>)</li>
<li>Sometimes they were used by prophets, but the implication is that they could also be used by others to answer yes/no questions.  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>Sounds like binary code to me, the basis of all computer programming . . .</em></span>)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>So, what was the prophecy? </strong> Joseph Smith said (in April 1843):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The earth when it is purified will be made like unto crystal (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>or a computer monitor perhaps?</em></span>) and will be a  Urim &amp; Thummim whereby all things pertaining to an  inferior kingdom or all kingdoms of a lower order will be manifest to those  who dwell on it.&#8221;  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>it could be called &#8220;wiki-worlds&#8221;  CK could stay in touch with lower kingdoms through open forums and chat rooms, perhaps a Facebook style application.</em></span>)</p>
<p>&#8220;Then the white stone (<em><span style="color: #0000ff;">a mouse?  or maybe a hard token? or a flash drive?</span></em>)  mentioned in Rev. c 2 v 17 is the Urim &amp; Thummim whereby all things pertaining  to an higher order of kingdoms even all kingdoms will be made known and a  white stone (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>could be a white blackberry&#8211;I hope it&#8217;s got GPS and wi-fi!</em></span>) is given to each of those who come into this celestial kingdom,  whereon is a new name written which no man knoweth save he that receiveth it. The new name is the key word.&#8221;  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>or password?  although some people will probably just stick it on a post it note in their desk drawer; do you people care nothing for security?</em></span>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Could the internet be a Urim &amp; Thummim according to the prophecy and descriptions?  If so, did Al Gore know he was fulfilling Mormon prophecy when he invented it?  Does that, in fact, make him a Mormon (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>well, posthumously maybe</em></span>)?  Speaking of Al Gore&#8217;s inventions (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>went there!</em></span>), is global warming what is meant by the earth being cleansed by fire at the last day (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>maybe &#8220;by fire&#8221; was an exaggeration</em></span>)?  What do you think?  Discuss.</p>
<p>P.S. Please forgive my shameless digs at our former popularly elected president.  All meant in good fun.</p>
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		<title>Virtual RS/PH #16:  Revelation &amp; the Living Prophet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally, a lesson that really makes you think!  This is probably my favorite JS lesson this year (no one dies or has to move to Missouri).  For those who are teaching, you may also enjoy the excellent essay at Feast on the Word blog by joespencer. This lesson tees up some interesting dichotomies.  Consider the delicate balance between the following as you prepare: Old doctrine vs. new revelation Dead prophets vs. living prophets; written revelation (scripture) vs. verbal revelation Personal revelation vs. doctrinal revelation for the church What we know vs. what we don&#8217;t know (what God knows that we don&#8217;t) On a more personal note, consider the following: Desire for stability vs. willingness to change The tendency to validate our own opinions vs. the tendency to spiritualize things that are not revelation or are trivial (e.g. God&#8217;s favorite breakfast cereal) Seeking a confirmation of our own beliefs vs. being completely open to God&#8217;s viewpoint Our imperfect ability to receive, comprehend and communicate vs. God&#8217;s perfect communication The First Presidency as a council on earth vs. The Godhead as a council on the other side of the veil Our Will vs. God&#8217;s Will “We never can comprehend the things of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, a lesson that really makes you think!  This is probably my favorite JS lesson this year (no one dies or has to move to Missouri).  For those who are teaching, you may also enjoy the excellent essay at <a href="http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/08/10/rsmp-lesson-16-revelation-and-the-living-prophet-joseph-smith-manual/">Feast on the Word</a> blog by <em>joespencer</em>.<span id="more-1012"></span></p>
<p>This lesson tees up some interesting dichotomies.  Consider the delicate balance between the following as you prepare:</p>
<ul>
<li>Old doctrine vs. new revelation</li>
<li>Dead prophets vs. living prophets; written revelation (scripture) vs. verbal revelation</li>
<li>Personal revelation vs. doctrinal revelation for the church</li>
<li>What we know vs. what we don&#8217;t know (what God knows that we don&#8217;t)</li>
</ul>
<p>On a more personal note, consider the following:</p>
<ul>
<li>Desire for stability vs. willingness to change</li>
<li>The tendency to validate our own opinions vs. the tendency to spiritualize things that are not revelation or are trivial (e.g. God&#8217;s favorite breakfast cereal)</li>
<li>Seeking a confirmation of our own beliefs vs. being completely open to God&#8217;s viewpoint</li>
<li>Our imperfect ability to receive, comprehend and communicate vs. God&#8217;s perfect communication</li>
<li>The First Presidency as a council on earth vs. The Godhead as a council on the other side of the veil</li>
</ul>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mainimage.jpg" alt="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mainimage.jpg" width="154" height="140" /><strong>Our Will vs. God&#8217;s Will</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“We never can comprehend the things of God and of heaven, but by revelation. We may spiritualize and express opinions to all eternity; but that is no authority.” (1843)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How can we avoid the temptation to spiritualize things that were not inherently spiritual?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How can we avoid the temptation to limit our understanding of God to only what conforms with our own opinions?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Revelation&#8221; Rules, &#8220;No Revelation&#8221; Drools</strong> (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>anyone else think</em><em> that would make a great title for a GC talk?</em></span>)</p>
<blockquote><p>“The doctrine of revelation far transcends the doctrine of no revelation; for one truth revealed from heaven is worth all the sectarian notions in existence.” (1844)</p>
<p>“Salvation cannot come without revelation; it is in vain for anyone to minister without it. … No man can be a minister of Jesus Christ except he has the testimony of Jesus; and this is the spirit of prophecy.&#8221;  (1839)</p>
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<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How is revelation necessary to our salvation and to being a minister of Jesus?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  What are the risks of a closed canon (no revelation)?  What are the risks of an open canon (ongoing revelation)?<br />
</em></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.mormonmomma.com/images/first-presidency.png" alt="http://www.mormonmomma.com/images/first-presidency.png" width="117" height="129" /><strong>New vs. Old</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We are differently situated from any other people that ever existed upon this earth; consequently those former revelations cannot be suited to our conditions; they were given to other people, who were before us.&#8221;  (1834)</p>
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<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Should we liken scriptures to our day or liken our day to scriptures (through GC talks)?</em></span> <em><span style="color: #800080;"> How can we get the best of both ancient and modern counsel?</span></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Do living prophets always trump dead prophets?  Why or why not?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>Revelation is Key to Mormonism</strong></p>
<blockquote><p><em><a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1//9#9')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1/9#9" target="contentWindow">Articles of Faith 1:9</a>:</em> “We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.”</p>
<p>“The President then gave a relation of obtaining and translating the Book of Mormon, the revelation of the Priesthood of Aaron, the organization of the Church in 1830, the revelation of the High Priesthood, and the gift of the Holy Ghost poured out upon the Church, and said: ‘Take away the Book of Mormon and the revelations, and where is our religion? We have none.’ ”  (1834)</p>
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<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  Why is revelation a key concept of the restoration?  Could there have been a restoration without revelation?  What does revelation mean to you (inspiration, spiritual channeling, divine dictation, or something else)?<br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  What are the great and important things yet to be revealed?  Any guesses?</em></span></p>
<p><strong>Organizational vs. Personal Revelation</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>It is contrary to the economy of God for any member of the Church, or any one, to receive instructions for those in authority, higher than themselves; therefore you will see the impropriety of giving heed to them; but if any person have a vision or a visitation from a heavenly messenger, it must be for his own benefit and instruction; for the fundamental principles, government, and doctrine of the Church are vested in the keys of the kingdom. (1833)</p>
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<p><em><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  How does the above revelation provide order to the church?  When does our personal revelation trump organizational revelation?<br />
</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  Can members of the church disagree with church leaders without becoming apostate?  If so, under what circumstances?</span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><img class="alignright" src="http://www.markdroberts.com/images/Sallman-Heart-Door-3.jpg" alt="http://www.markdroberts.com/images/Sallman-Heart-Door-3.jpg" width="122" height="154" /><strong>Being Open to Revelation</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>There are a great many wise men and women too in our midst who are too wise to be taught; therefore they must die in their ignorance, and in the resurrection they will find their mistake. Many seal up the door of heaven by saying, So far God may reveal and I will believe.</p>
<p>It always has been when a man was sent of God with the priesthood and he began to preach the fullness of the gospel, that he was thrust out by his friends, who are ready to butcher him if he teach things which they imagine to be wrong; and Jesus was crucified upon this principle.  (1843)</p>
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<p>Based on the second half of this statement, God&#8217;s teaching should be controversial and provoke us to action (or outrage, depending on your position), not be limited to what we can come up with on our own.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q: How can we question our assumptions and avoid limiting our ability to receive personal revelation?<br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em>Q:  How do we avoid the trap of being &#8220;too wise to be taught&#8221;?</em></span></p>
<p>So, what are your thoughts on this provocative lesson and the questions it raises?  Are there other questions you would ask?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Virtual RS/PH #15:  Establishing the Cause of Zion</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, last week I said the death lesson was going to be tough.  Frankly, I think a Zion lesson is no picnic either.  I&#8217;m looking ahead though, and there are some better ones on the horizon, so hang in there, teachers! On June 7, 1831, right after the Saints had finished gathering in Ohio, Joseph announced that he had received a revelation about Zion, the gathering place for the Saints (now found in D&#38;C 52: 2): “The next conference … shall be held in Missouri, upon the land which I will consecrate unto my people” To which the stunned congregation probably replied something like, &#8220;What the . . . ?!&#8221; Then, by late 1833, they were driven out of their homes in Jackson County, Missouri (picture at right is a park in Jackson County&#8211;er, Wisconsin!  Psych!  Good catch, Raoul) and told that the establishment of Zion must &#8220;wait for a little season.&#8221;  (D&#38;C 105: 9)  Joseph explained some reasons why this wait was necessary: I cannot learn from any communication by the Spirit to me, that Zion has forfeited her claim to a celestial crown, notwithstanding the Lord has caused her to be thus afflicted, except it may be some [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, last week I said the death lesson was going to be tough.  Frankly, I think a Zion lesson is no picnic either.  I&#8217;m looking ahead though, and there are some better ones on the horizon, so hang in there, teachers!<span id="more-1001"></span></p>
<p>On June 7, 1831, right after the Saints had finished gathering in Ohio, Joseph announced that he had received a revelation about Zion, the gathering place for the Saints (now found in D&amp;C 52: 2):</p>
<blockquote><p>“The next conference … shall be held in Missouri, upon the land which I will consecrate unto my people”</p></blockquote>
<p>To which the stunned congregation probably replied something like, &#8220;What the . . . ?!&#8221;</p>
<p><img class="alignright" style="cursor: -moz-zoom-in;" src="http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/images/Cover%20Photo.JPG" alt="http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/images/Cover%20Photo.JPG" width="156" height="117" />Then, by late 1833, they were driven out of their homes in Jackson County, Missouri (picture at right is a park in Jackson County&#8211;er, Wisconsin!  Psych!  Good catch, Raoul) and told that the establishment of Zion must &#8220;wait for a little season.&#8221;  (D&amp;C 105: 9)  Joseph explained some reasons why this wait was necessary:</p>
<blockquote><p>I cannot learn from any communication by the Spirit to me, that Zion has forfeited her claim to a celestial crown, notwithstanding the Lord has caused her to be thus afflicted, except it may be some individuals, who have walked in disobedience, and forsaken the new covenant; all such will be made manifest by their works in due time.  I know that Zion, in the due time of the Lord, will be redeemed; but how many will be the days of her purification, tribulation, and affliction, the Lord has kept hid from my eyes; and when I inquire concerning this subject, the voice of the Lord is: Be still, and know that I am God!  (Dec 1833)</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>What is Zion?</strong></p>
<p>Zion is referred to 154 times in the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible).  In referring repeated to Zion, JS was clearly linking the restored church with the Israelites, which gave them a sense of purpose, community and destiny.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  So, what is Zion?  Is it a place?  A community?  A state of mind?</span></p>
<p><strong>Zion as a Literal Gathering Place</strong></p>
<p>Article of Faith 10, written in 1842, was still focused on a literal gathering:</p>
<blockquote><p>We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent.</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  Are there any good restaurants in Missouri?  (Just seeing if you&#8217;re paying attention.  I googled it and got just a DQ and a Subway in Jackson County.  Seriously.)</span></p>
<p><strong>Zion as a State of Mind</strong></p>
<p>Joseph also made statements indicating that Zion was more conceptual than just a literal gathering-place.  Stakes of the church are also referred to as Zion.</p>
<blockquote><p>Anyplace where the Saints gather is Zion, which every righteous man will build up for a place of safety for his children.  (1840)</p>
<p>There will be here and there a Stake [of Zion] for the gathering of the Saints. … There your children shall be blessed, and you in the midst of friends where you may be blessed. The Gospel net gathers of every kind.  <a name="18"></a> “… We ought to have the building up of Zion as our greatest object. … The time is soon coming, when no man will have any peace but in Zion and her stakes.  (1839)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  How does gathering with the Saints bless us?  Do you think it&#8217;s possible to get equally close to God independently as we do within the community of the church?  If so, isn&#8217;t that a little bit like home schooling (limited in the number of teachers &amp; perspectives)?<br />
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<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  How should the counsel about Zion apply to our homes, our wards, our stakes, and the church at large?  How do we make the stakes of the church and our homes places of safety &amp; peace?<br />
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<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.truthinlove.com/Pictures/clouds-jesus.bmp" alt="http://www.truthinlove.com/Pictures/clouds-jesus.bmp" width="125" height="160" /><strong>Looking Forward to Christ&#8217;s Return</strong></p>
<p>One purpose of Zion was to anticipate Christ&#8217;s return as the ruler of His people:</p>
<blockquote><p>[R]ighteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine own elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, a holy city, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming, for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem’ [<a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/7//62#62')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/7/62#62" target="contentWindow">Moses 7:62</a>].  <em>from Enoch&#8217;s prophecy</em></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  Are you looking forward to Christ&#8217;s return or not thinking much about it?  Does it kind of freak you out?</span></p>
<p><strong>Purifying the Saints</strong></p>
<p>When the Saints were kicked out of Missouri, the focus was on purifying the Saints so they would become worthy to inherit Zion:</p>
<blockquote><p>“If Zion will not purify herself, so as to be approved of in all things, in His sight, He will seek another people; for His work will go on until Israel is gathered, and they who will not hear His voice, must expect to feel His wrath. Let me say unto you, seek to purify yourselves, and also all the inhabitants of Zion, lest the Lord’s anger be kindled to fierceness. Repent, repent, is the voice of God to Zion; and strange as it may appear, yet it is true, mankind will persist in self-justification until all their iniquity is exposed, and their character past being redeemed, and that which is treasured up in their hearts be exposed to the gaze of mankind.  (1833)</p>
<p>“So long as unrighteous acts are suffered in the Church, it cannot be sanctified, neither can Zion be redeemed.”  (1834)</p>
<p>“Let every one labor to prepare himself for the vineyard, sparing a little time to comfort the mourners; to bind up the broken-hearted; to reclaim the backslider; to bring back the wanderer; to re-invite into the kingdom such as have been cut off, by encouraging them to lay to while the day lasts, and work righteousness, and, with one heart and one mind, prepare to help redeem Zion, that goodly land of promise, where the willing and the obedient shall be blessed. … [We] pray our heavenly Father that you may be very prayerful, very humble, and very charitable; working diligently, spiritually and temporally, for the redemption of Zion, that the pure in heart may return with songs of everlasting joy to build up her waste places, and meet the Lord when He comes in His glory.  (1835)</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  Why do individuals need to be pure before Zion will be redeemed?  By show of hands, which of you slackers are holding us back?  (Just kidding!)<br />
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<p><span style="color: #800080;">Q:  How do we reconcile reclaiming the backslider, bringing back the wanderer, and re-inviting those who have been cut off with the statement that Zion can&#8217;t be redeemed so long as there are unrighteous acts suffered in the church?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">This last question is the one I find the most interesting.  To elaborate, <span style="color: #800080;">how can we establish a united people when the church is full of individuals at various levels of understanding, righteousness and self- and social awareness?  Is Zion a pipe dream or is it to be found in the striving for it only, and more at an individual level than an aggregate level?  What&#8217;s the closest you&#8217;ve ever gotten to a Zion experience?</span><br />
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<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Obedience:  Virtual RS/PH #13</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to the second virtual co-ed 3rd hour.  This week&#8217;s lesson is a topic that is often a seething hotbed of Mormon Matters controversy:  &#8220;Obedience:  When the Lord Commands, Do It.&#8221; I just spent the last week in Hollywood, so I thought it would be fun to try different readings of that title to see how the emphasis changes the meaning.  (This reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer says, &#8220;These pretzels are making me thirsty!&#8221;). Obedience:  When the Lord Commands, Do It &#8211; with the emphasis on &#8220;obedience,&#8221;  it kind of sounds like:  &#8220;Obedience!  When the Lord Commands, Do It:  The Musical!&#8221;  The score would probably be lame. Obedience:  When the Lord Commands, Do It &#8211; &#8220;When&#8221; as in &#8220;when and if,&#8221; or as we&#8217;ve discussed elsewhere on MM, you have to obey when it&#8217;s commanded and not when it is not (e.g. cutting off Laban&#8217;s head is A-OK when commanded, but beheading people in general is frowned upon; polygamy is grand if you&#8217;ve been asked to do it, but you may be told no if you show up at JS&#8217;s door rubbing your hands together and asking for some spiritual wife action.) Obedience:  When the Lord Commands, Do It.  But [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the second virtual co-ed 3rd hour.  This week&#8217;s lesson is a topic that is often a seething hotbed of Mormon Matters controversy:  <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=e98720596a845110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&amp;contentLocale=0">&#8220;Obedience:  When the Lord Commands, Do It.&#8221;</a><span id="more-638"></span></p>
<p>I just spent the last week in Hollywood, so I thought it would be fun to try different readings of that title to see how the emphasis changes the meaning.  (This reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer says, &#8220;These pretzels are making me thirsty!&#8221;).</p>
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<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Obedience</span></span></strong>:  When the Lord Commands, Do It &#8211; <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>with the emphasis on &#8220;obedience,&#8221;  it kind of sounds like:  &#8220;Obedience!  When the Lord Commands, Do It:  The Musical!&#8221;  The score would probably be lame.</em></span></p>
<p>Obedience:  <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">When</span></span></strong> the Lord Commands, Do It &#8211; <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">&#8220;When&#8221; as in &#8220;when and if,&#8221; or as we&#8217;ve discussed elsewhere on MM, you have to obey when it&#8217;s commanded and not when it is not (e.g. cutting off Laban&#8217;s head is A-OK when commanded, but beheading people in general is frowned upon; polygamy is grand if you&#8217;ve been asked to do it, but you may be told no if you show up at JS&#8217;s door rubbing your hands together and asking for some spiritual wife action.)</span></em></p>
<p>Obedience:  When <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the Lord</span></span></strong> Commands, Do It.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">But surely, when Allah commands (or your terror cell leader says he does), you might want to think twice before you do it.  So, this reading places the emphasis on who is doing the commanding:  the Lord, one of the Lord&#8217;s servants, or your Aunt Sally telling you what she thinks the Lord wants you to do.  So&#8211;important to verify the source?</span></em></p>
<p>Obedience:  When the Lord <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Commands</span></span></strong>, Do It.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, if the Lord&#8217;s just suggesting it (earrings &amp; tatoos?), you could drag your feet (e.g. Oliver Cowdery translating the BOM?).</span></em></p>
<p>Obedience:  When the Lord Commands, <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Do</span></span></strong> It.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Emphasis on action (vs. thought or questioning?).  This is probably the most orthodox reading.</span></em></p>
<p>Obedience:  When the Lord Commands, Do <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">It</span></span></strong>.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, that just makes the meaning of &#8220;it&#8221; ambigious in this context.  Which actually brings up a good point &#8211; when He commands, do what exactly?  This title isn&#8217;t really proper grammar&#8211;the pronoun &#8220;it&#8221; is lacking a direct object to the verb &#8220;commands&#8221; to explain the pronoun.  Are all commandments clear about what exactly should be done?  (Remember, we shouldn&#8217;t need to be commanded in all things).  Or is that perceived ambiguity really just an excuse to vacillate?</span></em></p>
<p><strong>Think about this</strong>:  What did obedience mean to JS and to the early church members?  How has that meaning evolved over time?  What does it mean to LDS today?  What does it mean to you personally at this stage of your spiritual journey?  Here are some of JS&#8217;s thoughts on obedience from the lesson:</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800080;"><img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://www.traininglines.org.uk/images/dog%20and%20bone.gif" alt="" width="110" height="132" />Earning Salvation</span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“To get salvation we must not only do some things, but everything which God has commanded.&#8221; (1844)</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a clear &#8220;earning salvation&#8221; quote.  The word used here was &#8220;salvation,&#8221; although current teaching would upgrade that to &#8220;exaltation&#8221; (salvation is free for everyone through the atonement; exaltation costs extra).  How has the church&#8217;s understanding of the role of faith and works evolved?  Has the dialogue spurred by evangelical churches added clarity or confusion to our actual doctrine?  In short, why are we so doggone defensive about this?</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Church Unity Imperative</span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“When instructed, we must obey that voice, observe the laws of the kingdom of God, that the blessing of heaven may rest down upon us. All must act in concert, or nothing can be done, and should move according to the ancient Priesthood; hence the Saints should be a select people, separate from all the evils of the world—choice, virtuous, and holy.&#8221;  (1844)</p></blockquote>
<p>How did JS&#8217;s obsession with building an earthly kingdom of God (a Zion or city of Enoch) influence his emphasis on obedience as a means to purifying the saints into a &#8220;holy people&#8221;?  Are we still attempting to build a kingdom of God on earth today or is the church&#8217;s global status (staying put vs. gathering to Zion) shifting us toward a broader moral spectrum for practical reasons (shirtless calendar guy would probably say there is still crackdown on infractions from HQ)?  Does obedience purify us?  If so, how?  Is it important to become a &#8220;holy people&#8221; or are we fooling ourselves to think so?  Are we collectively getting holier or less holy over time?  (Evidence for &#8220;holier&#8221; = fewer apostles are being ex&#8217;d than in JS&#8217;s day).</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800080;"><img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://woodlandsparkchurch.com/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/peer_pressure.jpg" alt="" width="167" height="101" />When True Is Unpopular</span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The object with me is to obey and teach others to obey God in just what He tells us to do. It mattereth not whether the principle is popular or unpopular, I will always maintain a true principle, even if I stand alone in it.” (1842)</p></blockquote>
<p>Clearly, JS stood alone in some unpopular principles (e.g. plural marriage, King Follett discourse, etc.).  If all people have the light of Christ which tells them what is good, why are some true principles unpopular?  How can we tell if an unpopular principle is true or just outdated?  What types of peer pressure (from other churches) exist for the church?  How does the church cope with unpopular (yet true) principles? </p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Principle-Based Obedience</span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p> <em>Joseph Smith taught the following in April 1843, later recorded in </em><a class="scriptureRef" onclick="newWindow('http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/130//20-21#20')" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/130/20-21#20" target="contentWindow"><em>Doctrine and Covenants 130:20–21</em></a><em>:</em> “There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—and when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.”</p>
<p>“All blessings that were ordained for man by the Council of Heaven were on conditions of obedience to the law thereof.” (1843)</p></blockquote>
<p>How does the emphasis on the underlying principle (the law upon which it is predicated) vs. the obedience itself add meaning to this idea?  Here are some possible examples to consider:  temple attendance vs. temple worship, accepting a calling vs. magnifying a calling, prayer vs. seeking to know God, being born again as an event vs. enduring to the end faithfully (finishing the race).  How does changing to principle-centered worship vs. activity-centered worship make us more spiritual?  Why is it so easy to forget the underlying principles and start checking our duties off a list?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong><span style="color: #800080;"><a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_dk3dI-5mt7o/RgQlw_wTADI/AAAAAAAAAEA/fAqU7_OAhq4/s320/halo.jpg" target="_top"><img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:zRfgVorvBV6j8M:http://bp0.blogger.com/_dk3dI-5mt7o/RgQlw_wTADI/AAAAAAAAAEA/fAqU7_OAhq4/s320/halo.jpg" alt="" width="86" height="86" /></a></span></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Becoming Holy Like God</span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“Remember, brethren, that He has called you unto holiness; and need we say, to be like Him in purity? How wise, how holy; how chaste, and how perfect, then, you ought to conduct yourselves in His sight; and remember, too, that His eyes are continually upon you.” (1834)</p></blockquote>
<p>This is theosis teaching (on par with NT brand theosis anyway) from a very early date (10 years before King Follett breathed his last).  Does this brand of &#8220;eternal progression&#8221; distinguish LDS from other Christian sects?  How has that distinction changed over time?  Is &#8220;eternal progression&#8221; a true but unpopular principle in our day?  Is obedience requisite to progression or does it hamper progression?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Our Foundation Stories Part VI: The Laying on of Hands</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the last installment of Our Foundation Stories, I promise! As a child, I heard the story of the restoration of the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods this way: In May of 1829 Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were praying in the woods about baptism and had John the Baptist appear to them, put his hands on their heads, and recite the following, currently found in D &#38; C Section 13: Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah, I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins&#8230;&#8221; Some time later, Joseph and Oliver again were in the woods and John, James, and Peter appeared to them, put their hands on Joseph&#8217;s and Oliver&#8217;s heads, and restored the Melchizedek priesthood. Certain details were fuzzy here, but I got the gist. Joseph and Oliver were ordained like every other 12 year old boy I knew, even dressing up for the occasion, as Church art depicted. (Can you imagine an imageless Church manual? We would have to use our own imaginations!) I later majored in history at BYU, [...]]]></description>
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<p align="center">This is the last installment of Our Foundation Stories, I promise!</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://josephsmith.net/josephsmith/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=7a19b84d09042010VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD" target="_blank">As a child, I heard the story of the restoration of the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods this way</a>: In May of 1829 Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were praying in the woods about baptism and had John the Baptist appear to them, put his hands on their heads, and recite the following, currently found in D &amp; C Section 13: Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah, I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins&#8230;&#8221;<span id="more-566"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Some time later, Joseph and Oliver again were in the woods and John, James, and Peter appeared to them, put their hands on Joseph&#8217;s and Oliver&#8217;s heads, and restored the Melchizedek priesthood.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Certain details were fuzzy here, but I got the gist. Joseph and Oliver were ordained like every other 12 year old boy I knew, even dressing up for the occasion, as Church art depicted. (Can you imagine an imageless Church manual?  We would have to use our own imaginations!)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I later majored in history at BYU, where I learned to distinguish primary from secondary sources, and to assign relative weights of reliability to certain primary accounts over others based on many factors like whether the person writing was an eyewitness to the events described, length of time between the event and its recording, potential motives of the writers, etc.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">When I turned this rudimentary training on the sources describing the stories above, I found the records to be vague and contradictory, more so than in the case of Joseph&#8217;s different accounts of the First Vision.  This is partly because Joseph had a co-participant, Oliver Cowdery, who left his own account of these experiences, and that many other early Church members wrote as if they did not hear of these ordinations until 1834 or 1835.  Cowdery&#8217;s account is especially interesting, as he mentions only one occasion of priesthood bestowal, only one priesthood, only one angel visiting, and declines to name the angel as either John the Baptist or Peter, James, and John. (Note that the Church has added an &#8220;s&#8221; to &#8220;holy angel(s) in the link to the Oliver Cowdery account above to soften the ambiguity, under the guise of correcting &#8220;spelling, grammar, and punctuation&#8221;. Compare to the wording <a href="http://www.lds-mormon.com/mph.shtml">here</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Parley Pratt, John Corrill, Lyman Wight, and David Whitmer each leave accounts which make it appear that the Melchizedek or Higher Priesthood was first revealed to the church in a June 1831 conference, and was unknown before that time.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">So where did our contemporary story of two separate priesthood bestowals come from?  It appears that the line upon line development of church doctrine made clear after the organization of the church that two priesthoods, arranged hierarchically, were necessary for Church governance.  Revelations included in the <em>Book of Commandments</em> (later renamed <em>The Doctrine and Covenants</em>) were edited later to include references to both priesthood bestowals.  (Editing revelations was a common practice in the early years of the Church.)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">B.H. Roberts of the Seventy even attempted to fix a timespan for the second bestowal of the priesthood to the period between the May 15 first bestowal and the end of June 1829, based on some conjectures flowing from assumptions based on the edited revelations (e.g. Section 27).  This is likely where our sense of certitude on the subject comes from.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">My questions are these:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Since I, and probably many others, were raised in the Church with the very definite, specific chronology for two separate priesthood bestowals, and this appears (although La Mar Petersen, Bill Hartley, and Larry Porter have attempted to rescue the Roberts chronology) to be highly questionable given the testimony of the sources, what do we do with this story?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Does the restoration of priesthood/authority  need to have been a <em>literal laying on of hands</em> by resurrected beings in the same order in which 12 year old boys and 18 year old men experience it in the contemporary Church?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Does imagining that things happened this way make it easier for LDSaints to serve confidently in the Church, fulfilling their callings, learning to love God and their neighbor?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Could God have restored priesthood by an act of will, divine fiat?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Why do we rely on these stories as told and recounted in our <em>secondary</em> literature?</p>
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		<title>Our Foundation Stories Part IV: The Book of Mormon Translation</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was the Book of Mormon translated? Was the Book of Mormon revealed? Was it inspired? Was it all three, or a combination of the above? How much does it matter? The accounts left by Joseph and others involved suggest that the translation of the Book of Mormon was conducted, with a few variations, largely in this manner: Joseph and the scribe sequestered in a room, with a sheet or curtain drawn up to shield them from the casual view of others in the house. The plates wrapped in a cloth on the scribe&#8217;s table, with the scribe writing down what Joseph dictates. Joseph himself at least periodically buries his face in a hat to peer intently at his seerstone, in which he sees words, whether one at a time, or in clusters is unclear. Joseph also feels free enough with his work to correct spelling, grammar, punctuation, and word choice, both immediately and after the Book of Mormon was published. In later productions, like the Books of Abraham, Moses, and the revision of the Bible, there was apparently even less physicality to the process. Other than the Egyptian papyri purchased from Michael Chandler, there appeared to be no seerstone or [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Was the Book of Mormon translated? Was the Book of Mormon revealed? Was it inspired? Was it all three, or a combination of the above? How much does it matter?<span id="more-528"></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">The accounts left by Joseph and others involved suggest that the translation of the Book of Mormon was conducted, with a few variations, largely in this manner: Joseph and the scribe sequestered in a room, with a sheet or curtain drawn up to shield them from the casual view of others in the house. The plates wrapped in a cloth on the scribe&#8217;s table, with the scribe writing down what Joseph dictates. Joseph himself at least periodically buries his face in a hat to peer intently at his seerstone, in which he sees words, whether one at a time, or in clusters is unclear. Joseph also feels free enough with his work to correct spelling, grammar, punctuation, and word choice, both immediately and after the Book of Mormon was published.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">In later productions, like the Books of Abraham, Moses, and the revision of the Bible, there was apparently even less physicality to the process. Other than the Egyptian papyri purchased from Michael Chandler, there appeared to be no seerstone or other mechanical device used in the writing of these books. They were received much as most of the sections of the D&amp;C (with the obvious seerstone section aside) were, by inspiration.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Given the above, what does it say about Joseph Smith that he began his prophetic translations with physical objects and moved away from them later on? That he &#8220;graduated&#8221; in a spiritual sense? Were the physical objects necessary prompts to revelatory experience?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Why would Moroni bother with giving Joseph physical objects like the plates which were apparently so cumbersome and the desire of his neighbors when God could simply reveal the contents of the book to Joseph? And why would Moroni take them back again? Were the plates themselves like the &#8220;slippery&#8221; treasures spoken of in the text of the Book of Mormon itself, a thing of great worth which is impossible to control?</p>
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