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		<description><![CDATA[Recently I saw Religulous here and he touched on Horus here and a few of the parallels between the story of Horus and Jesus. Many Mormons when they start delving and  unravelling events in our history also delve into what they can find out about (possible origins) to the bible or even if you want to say conspiracy theories. Horus is one I have heard of members in our church and Christians of all faiths looking into as they go deeper into their historical studies of the Bible. Look at some of the comparisons sited by religious tolerance Event Horus Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus Conception: By a virgin. There is some doubt about this matter By a virgin. 8 Father: Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Only begotten son of Yehovah (in the form of the Holy Spirit). Mother: Meri. 9 Miriam (a.k.a. Mary). Foster father: Seb, (Jo-Seph). 9 Joseph. Foster father&#8217;s ancestry: Of royal descent. Of royal descent. Birth location: In a cave. In a cave or stable. Annunciation: By an angel to Isis, his mother. By an angel to Miriam, his mother. 8 Birth heralded by: The star Sirius, the morning star. An unidentified &#8220;star in [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Recently I saw Religulous </span><a href="http://www.lionsgate.com/religulous/">here</a><span> and he touched on Horus </span><a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SIMFz5ZKDVo">here</a> <span>and a few of the parallels between the story of Horus and Jesus.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Many Mormons when they start delving and  unravelling events in our history also delve into what they can find out about (possible origins) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span id="more-3878"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>to the bible or even if you want to say conspiracy theories. Horus is one I have heard of members in our church and Christians of all faiths looking into as they go deeper into their historical studies of the Bible. Look at some of the comparisons sited by religious tolerance</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span>Horus</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span>Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus</span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Conception:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By a virgin. There is <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm#vb">some doubt</a> about this matter</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By a virgin. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Father: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Only begotten son of the God Osiris. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Only begotten son of Yehovah (in the form of the Holy   Spirit).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Joseph.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Of royal descent.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In a cave or stable.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Annunciation: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By an angel to Isis, his mother. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By an angel to Miriam, his mother. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth heralded by: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>An unidentified &#8220;<em>star in the East.</em>&#8220;</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth date: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus   through the streets at the time of the <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/winter_solstice.htm">winter solstice</a> (typically DEC-21</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Celebrated on DEC-25. The date was chosen to occur on the   same date as the birth of Mithra, Dionysus and the Sol Invictus   (unconquerable Sun), etc.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth announcement</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>: By angels. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By angels. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Birth witnesses: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Shepherds. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Shepherds. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Later witnesses to birth: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Three wise men. <strong><sub>8</sub></strong></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Death threat during infancy: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Herut tried to have Horus murdered. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Handling the threat: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The God <em>That</em> tells Horus&#8217; mother &#8220;<em>Come,   thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.</em>&#8221; </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>An angel tells Jesus&#8217; father to: &#8220;<em>Arise and take   the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.</em>&#8220;</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Rite of passage ritual: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Horus came of age with a special ritual,  when his   eye was restored. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Taken by parents to the temple for what is today called a   bar mitzvah ritual.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Age at the ritual: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>12 </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>12</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Break in life history: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>No data between ages of 12 &amp; 30.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Baptism location: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the river Eridanus. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the river Jordan.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>30.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Baptized by: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Anup the Baptiser. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>John the Baptist.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Subsequent fate of the baptiser: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Beheaded. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Beheaded.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Temptation:.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain by   his arch-rival Satan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain by his   arch-rival Sut. Sut (a.k.a. Set) was a precursor for the Hebrew Satan.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Result of temptation: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Horus resists temptation. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jesus resists temptation.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Close followers: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Twelve disciples. There is <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm#dis">some doubt</a> about this matter as well. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Twelve disciples.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Activities: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick,   restored sight to the blind. He &#8220;<em>stilled the sea by his power</em>.&#8221; </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick,   restored sight to the blind. He ordered the sea with a &#8220;<em>Peace, be   still</em>&#8221; command.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Horus raised Osirus, his dead father,  from the   grave. <strong><sub>10</sub></strong> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Location where the resurrection miracle occurred: 11.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Anu, an Egyptian city where the rites of the death, burial   and resurrection of Horus were enacted annually. <strong><sub>10</sub></strong> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hebrews added their prefix for house (&#8216;<em>beth</em>&#8220;)   to &#8220;<em>Anu</em>&#8221; to produce <em>&#8220;Beth-Anu&#8221;</em> or the   &#8220;<em>House of Anu</em>.&#8221; Since &#8220;u&#8221; and &#8220;y&#8221; were   interchangeable in antiquity, &#8220;<em>Bethanu</em>&#8221; became &#8220;<em>Bethany</em>,&#8221;   the location mentioned in John</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On a mountain</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On a high mountain.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sermon on the Mount..</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sermon on the Mount; Sermon on the Plain</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>By crucifixion</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>. By crucifixion.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Accompanied by: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Two thieves. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Two thieves.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Burial </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In a tomb. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In a tomb.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Fate after death: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Descended into Hell; resurrected after three days. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Descended into Hell; resurrected after about 30 to 38   hours (Friday PM to presumably some time in Sunday AM) covering parts of   three days.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Resurrection announced by: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Women. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Women.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Future: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Is this whole thing grasping at straws or is it uncanny the parallels between the two stories of Horus and Jesus?</span></p>
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<p><span>Notes: </span><a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm">Religous Tolerance</a></p>
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		<title>Do You Happen to Know So and So&#8230;.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Spector</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you ever noticed how small the LDS Church world is? It is not uncommon to run into people who know people you know. I’ve had several incidents in my years in the Church, some of which I considered kind of strange, in how and where I encountered Church members and found out we knew people in common. The first time it happened I was in Geneva, Switzerland on business and because I often drove into France from there, I would see the Geneva Stake Center on the way. Well, on this one particular weekend at the end of May, I stopped in on  Saturday to see if I could find out when Sacrament Meeting was held the next day. I encountered two missionaries in the building. As I was talking to them, I asked them where they were from. One was from Utah, and the other from Palos Verdes, California. When I told him I was from San Jose, California, he said that their former next door neighbors, Brother and Sister Davis, now lived in San Jose and did I know them. Well, Brother Davis was serving as the Stake Clerk, so yes, I knew them. By the way, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever noticed how small the LDS Church world is?<span> </span>It is not uncommon to run into people who know people you know. I’ve had several incidents in my years in the Church, some of which I considered kind of strange, in how and where I encountered Church members and found out we knew people in common.</p>
<p>The first time it happened I was in Geneva, Switzerland on business and because I often drove into France from there, I would see the Geneva Stake Center on the way.<span> </span>Well, on this one particular weekend at the end of May, I stopped in on  Saturday to see if I could find out when Sacrament Meeting was held the next day.<span> </span>I encountered two missionaries in the building. As I was talking to them, I asked them where they were from. One was from Utah, and the other from Palos Verdes, California. When I told him I was from San Jose, California, he said that their former next door neighbors, Brother and Sister Davis, now lived in San Jose and did I know them. <span> </span>Well, Brother Davis was serving as the Stake Clerk, so yes, I knew them. By the way, on that Sunday, they were watching a tape of the April<span id="more-65"></span></p>
<p>The next time was a little stranger. We were at the airport on the Hawaiian island of Kauai, where we had just landed. As my wife took two of our kids to the restroom, I sat on a bench with our youngest, at that time, in his stroller.<span> </span>A guy walks up to me out of the blue and Says,” Are you a Mormon?”<span> </span>Now, mind you, I had jeans and a golf shirt on and not shorts, but we had just arrived from the mainland.</p>
<p>Of course, I said yes and he proceeds to introduce himself to me. He was from Atlanta.<span> </span>Again, I said we were from San Jose. He says, “Oh, we used to live there. Do you know…?” And he rattles off a bunch of names.<span> </span>And yes, I said, “I know every one of those folks.” I never did ask him what made him approach me. I always thought it was kind of weird.</p>
<p>My last example is from a trip my wife and I made to Salt Lake to attend General Conference for the first time.<span> </span>We arrived on Thursday and went to the Tabernacle Choir rehearsal in the Tabernacle.<span> </span>It was already set up for Conference. I mentioned at the conclusion of the rehearsal that it would be neat to be able to stand at the podium.</p>
<p>My wife, being the sometimes bold person that she can be, went up to the stairs and motioned to one of the sisters standing up on the top. She came down and my wife asked if it would be ok if we could see the organ and the podium. The Sister, Jo Foulger, was a Church hostess and Secretary to the Choir. So, she led us up to the podium where I was able to stand where the Prophet and the other General Authorities stood. I thought that was pretty cool. Well, we got to talking and she asked us where were from. We said, again that we were from San Jose. Really, she said, do you happen to know one of my nephews who live there? Do you know Dennis Johnson?</p>
<p>Well, he and his family lived in our Ward!<span> </span>Imagine his surprise when we told him that we met his Aunt Jo. Well, that we the start of a very nice friendship where we subsequently visited her at her office, got to meet Jerald Ottley and were able to get good seats for General Conference the next time we went.</p>
<p>I have a number of other examples like that as well.</p>
<p>Have you had any experiences like that?</p>
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