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		<title>In the Shadow of the Temple by Guest</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes. Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church. They did hundreds [...]]]></description>
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<p>A close friend of mine who wishes to remain anonymous recently saw in the shadow of the temple his story follows</p>
<p>In October, I was fortunate to attend the Portland, Oregon, screening of the movie, In the Shadow of the Temple. <a href="http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com/">http://www.intheshadowofthetemple.com </a>The screening was hosted by the producers, Karen Di Millia and Dennis Lavery. Prior to the screening Dennis and Karen spoke for 10 minutes and explained how they started this project. After the screening they took questions and answers for roughly 30 minutes.</p>
<p>Lavery and DeMillia, who are not&#8211;and never have been&#8211;LDS, originally planned to make a movie about people who had left the religion of their youth. They attended a meeting of the Portland Humanist Society, explained their project, and asked if anyone had such stories they would be willing to share. In the course of discussing the project with members of the society, they were told that who they really needed to talk to was Sue Emmett, who had left the LDS church. After talking with Sue and others with whom she put them in touch, they decided to re-focus their project on the experience of those who have left the LDS church.<span id="more-8674"></span></p>
<p>They did hundreds of hours of interviews over two years and edited it down to a 55 minute film. The film is very moving&#8211;a tribute to those who shared their stories as well as DeMillia and Lavery&#8217;s videography and editing skills.</p>
<p>About two dozen people appear in interviews in the film. Each story is unique, but a common thread runs throughout them all. All faced a similar rejection by family, friends and community.  Some of those interviewed have left the church. Others no longer believe, but remain active because of family or community pressure. The latter are filmed in shadows, to obscure their identity. The film refers to these people as “Shadow Mormons.” They define &#8220;Shadow Mormons&#8221; as those who privately do not accept the exacting doctrine of the Church, but publicly profess to be true believers. They are in shadow to protect their relationships with family, friends and employers.</p>
<p>Someone commented to me after the film, “That&#8217;s you. You&#8217;re a Shadow Mormon.”</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Shadow Mormon. Maybe that&#8217;s why this film hit me so hard. I haven&#8217;t believed in over 20 years – most of my adult life. Yet, during that time I&#8217;ve paid my tithing, gone to the temple, served in bishoprics and high councils and done all the things that were expected of me. Why? Because I am tied to the church by family and community.</p>
<p>The story of &#8220;Grace&#8221; (not her real name) resonated with me because it was so similar to mine. Her pain, and anger, were born of all the energy she has given to a religion that she doesn&#8217;t believe in. Finding out that the Church was not true was like a death experience for her. Like me, she tried following the Church&#8217;s teachings to fast, pray, read the scriptures and yet never felt she received the &#8220;burning in her bosom&#8221; that is promised in the scriptures.</p>
<p>What of the families and communities of these people? What are their stories, their experiences with loved ones who go through a process of losing belief and leaving the church. Only one person who was a family or friend agreed to be interviewed for the film. The believing husband that was interviewed told how he still loved his wife, even though she has left the church. What about the others? Are they embarrassed to say that the Church was more important than their relationship with the person who left?</p>
<p>The saddest stories, to me, were of divorce caused by one spouse believing and the other not believing. Michelle (another woman interviewed in the film) said her heart was broken that her husband would choose the Church over her. He told their marriage therapist that if she had not been Mormon he never would have married her. &#8220;There was more to me than being a Mormon,&#8221; she said.  &#8220;And I thought that there was more to him.&#8221;</p>
<p>The dictionary defines empathy as “the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.” We could all use a little more empathy for those around us. I have had several people tell me, “I can&#8217;t imagine how a person could leave the church.” Either they need a better imagination or they need more empathy.  Maybe they just need to see this film.</p>
<p>One of the questions at the screening&#8211;one that Lavery could not answer&#8211;was, “How do we get the right people to see this film?” Sadly, many members of the church would not even consider it. (It screened in Salt Lake City in October and got almost no media coverage.) The film does not try to de-convert anyone or disparage the doctrine of the church. It doesn&#8217;t assert that someone is right because he or she believes, or that someone else is right because he or she leaves the church. This film is about accepting people regardless of what they believe, and about how we treat those who believe differently than we do. I wish every member of the church could see this film.</p>
<p>Film Trailer: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbylWK-i2Q&amp;NR=1"></a></p>
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		<title>Every exmember a missionary</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And now, dear friends at Mormon Matters, is your regular report from the Dark Side of the Moon. I was reading a comment in another article here, and what Doug had said intrigued me: This board started out as a place for middle-way thinking people to discuss problematic issues with doctrine and history. It would now appear that anyone with an opinion different then the “current LDS view” is attacked as I and many others have been. On several other discussion boards, mormon matters is considered a pro LDS blog. Gentlemen, just say the word and I’ll find another place to try and help those who don’t see the church the way you do understand that they’re not alone. I guess it’s true; there is in reality no room for a NOM in the church. I don&#8217;t know if I have ever thought of MM as anything other than a pro-LDS blog. But I *have* always recognized that this site is of a different caliber, of course, than M* or T&#38;S and others. So I guess, I&#8217;ll try to shake things up and offer a different perspective and hope that I don&#8217;t get chased out on a rail.The other day, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now, dear friends at Mormon Matters, is your regular report from the Dark Side of the Moon.</p>
<p>I was reading a <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2009/02/08/why-faith-needs-doubt/#comment-58970">comment in another article here</a>, and what Doug had said intrigued me:</p>
<blockquote><p>This board started out as a place for middle-way thinking people to discuss problematic issues with doctrine and history. It would now appear that anyone with an opinion different then the “current LDS view” is attacked as I and many others have been. On several other discussion boards, mormon matters is considered a pro LDS blog. Gentlemen, just say the word and I’ll find another place to try and help those who don’t see the church the way you do understand that they’re not alone. I guess it’s true; there is in reality no room for a NOM in the church.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I have <em>ever</em> thought of MM as anything other than a pro-LDS blog. But I *have* always recognized that this site is of a different caliber, of course, than M* or T&amp;S and others. So I guess, I&#8217;ll try to shake things up and offer a different perspective and hope that I don&#8217;t get chased out on a rail.<span id="more-4313"></span>The other day, out of all people, *I* had a missionary experience. I&#8217;ve written about it <a href="http://irresistibledisgrace.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/so-what-are-you-im-mormon/">on my blog</a>, but here&#8217;s the executive summary: over the course of conversation, I revealed to someone that I was raised Mormon. Over more conversation, I revealed further that I&#8217;m not a believing Mormon (and with that, I&#8217;ve probably lost half my MM readership right there, if Doug&#8217;s comment is to be believed) and so they shouldn&#8217;t expect me to have the most faith-promoting answers.</p>
<p>However, despite that, I still was the go-to guy for tough Mormon questions. Questions such as, &#8220;Isn&#8217;t this the church where blacks can&#8217;t go to heaven?&#8221; (these guys have learned well from the Huckabee school of interrogation) or &#8220;Are women banned from celestial glory because they do not have the priesthood?&#8221;</p>
<p>It was at this time, of course, that I realized that I was, in ways, a representative of the church (despite my pointing out that I&#8217;m <em>not</em> the faithful go-to guy). And so I realized that I had to take a delicate path.</p>
<p>I guess that for faithful members, there are standard, correlated answers for these questions. So it&#8217;s easy enough to answer that the policy <em>was</em> that blacks could not get the priesthood, but <em>now</em> with new revelation, blacks do have the priesthood and things are resolved. It&#8217;s then easy enough to segue that into an explanation of different levels of heaven (exaltation? how&#8217;s that different from salvation? Celestial Kingdom? Priesthood ordinances?) And then <em>jete</em> to the restoration of the gospel and isn&#8217;t that nice and won&#8217;t you come? I bet within a week you can get the missionaries a referral if you&#8217;re good enough.</p>
<p>But&#8230;if you haven&#8217;t realized it&#8230;for ex-Mormons, former Mormons (who I guess form the &#8220;dark side&#8221; in many members&#8217; minds), liberal Mormons, New Order Mormons, and anyone similar, the standard correlated answers don&#8217;t work. They make us feel uneasy or deceptive. And that&#8217;s in part how we get to our position &#8212; by distancing ourselves from the church, we detach from stinging correlated answers. So, we can relate the Joseph Smith story, but we don&#8217;t necessarily feel obligated to believe the correlated telling. Or do the same for whatever issue.</p>
<p>Now, I will say that there are some who will go far with this &#8212; there are those who will leave the church bitter, angry, and <em>anti</em>. But I would suppose that most ex- and former Mormons don&#8217;t <em>want</em> to appear like antis. Anti-Mormons sometimes embarrass <em>me</em>. I&#8217;d like to think that people can look at reasonably truthful, accurate information, and then decide based on that (there&#8217;s enough gray to allow people to go either way without bringing up inaccuracies, falsehoods, sickly sweet faith-promoting stories and sickly venomous faith-destroying ones.)</p>
<p>But I am still put in this strange position&#8230;where I become the liaison for the church and for the LDS doctrine. And then I realize that because I am viewed as a somewhat reputable source despite my warnings otherwise, even as an exmember, I still am a missionary of sorts.</p>
<p>This post sounds kinda spastic because this is the third time I&#8217;ve written about it (the second time was to get perspectives from the other <a href="http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=485">Dark Side of the Mooners)</a> &#8230;but I wanted to ask people from a faithful perspective&#8230;what would you expect from ex- and former Mormons? What would you hope that they would say in response to questions about the gospel? Would it impress you to see an ex-Mormon dispelling blatant untruths from anti-Mormons? Would that all be dashed to bits if they followed up their trouncing of inaccuracies with unflattering church history or doctrine?</p>
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		<title>Drop it!  Who&#8217;s Worthy to Take the Sacrament?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it ever appropriate to intervene when someone &#8220;unworthy&#8221; is going to take the sacrament?  What level of &#8220;unworthiness&#8221; makes such intervention justified? There was a big disagreement about this on my mission.  An investigator who had been given a chapel card showed up for church just as the sacrament service was beginning.  When the bread tray came to him, he was unsure what to do, so he took a piece of the bread.  Just then, an older missionary who was serving in a branch leadership role jumped up from his seat on the stand and commanded the man (in Spanish) to &#8220;Drop it!&#8221; which he did.  Needless to say, the investigator never returned.  To explain his actions, the missionary referred to the following scriptures: 3 Ne. 18: 28-29 28 And now behold, this is the commandment which I give unto you, that ye shall not suffer any one knowingly to apartake of my flesh and blood bunworthily, when ye shall minister it; 29 For whoso eateth and drinketh my flesh and ablood bunworthily eateth and drinketh damnation to his soul; therefore if ye know that a man is unworthy to eat and drink of my flesh and blood ye shall forbid him. While this missionary was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it ever appropriate to intervene when someone &#8220;unworthy&#8221; is going to take the sacrament?  What level of &#8220;unworthiness&#8221; makes such intervention justified?</p>
<p><span id="more-303"></span>There was a big disagreement about this on my mission.  An investigator who had been given a chapel card showed up for church just as the sacrament service was beginning.  When the bread tray came to him, he was unsure what to do, so he took a piece of the bread.  Just then, an older missionary who was serving in a branch leadership role jumped up from his seat on the stand and commanded the man (in Spanish) to &#8220;Drop it!&#8221; which he did.  <img src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/sacrament.jpg" alt="sacrament.jpg" width="106" height="135" align="right" />Needless to say, the investigator never returned.  To explain his actions, the missionary referred to the following scriptures:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/18/28-29#28"><span style="color: #40639d;">3 Ne. 18: 28-29</span></a> 28 And now behold, this is the commandment which I give unto you, that ye shall not suffer any one knowingly to <sup>a</sup><a title="Ex. 12: 43; 1 Cor. 11: 27 (27-30); 4 Ne. 1: 27." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/18/28a"><span style="color: #40639d;">partake</span></a> of my flesh and blood <sup>b</sup><a title="Lev. 7: 18; Morm. 9: 29." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/18/28b"><span class="searchword"><strong><span style="color: #40639d;">unworthily</span></strong></span></a>, when ye shall minister it;</p></blockquote>
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<p class="verse">29 For whoso eateth and drinketh my flesh and <sup>a</sup><a title="TG Blood, Symbolism of." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/18/29a"><span style="color: #40639d;">blood</span></a> <sup>b</sup><a title="3 Ne. 12: 24 (23-26); D&amp;C 46: 4." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/18/29b"><span class="searchword"><strong><span style="color: #40639d;">unworthily</span></strong></span></a> eateth and drinketh damnation to his soul; therefore if ye know that a man is unworthy to eat and drink of my flesh and blood ye shall forbid him.</p>
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<p class="verse" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">While this missionary was perhaps alone in his strict interpretation of these scriptures in this specific situation, there is clearly a scriptural prohibition to prevent someone taking the sacrament unworthily.</p>
<p class="verse" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Should non-members be asked not to partake?  The current mormon.org provides a description of our services for visitors:</p>
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<p class="verse" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)"><strong>A typical meeting would consist of the following:</strong><br />
<strong>Hymns:</strong> Religious songs sung by the congregation (hymn books are provided).<br />
<strong>Prayers:</strong> Offered by local Church members.<br />
<strong>Partaking of the sacrament (communion):</strong>The sacrament consists of prepared bread and water, which is blessed and passed to members of the congregation by priesthood holders .<br />
<strong>Speakers:</strong> Typically a meeting will have two or three assigned speakers.<br />
<em>We do not pass a plate to request donations as part of our worship services.</em></p>
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<p>There is no specific prohibition made here instructing visitors to not partake.  Does that omission imply non-members are welcome to partake in the spirit of worship although it is not a renewal of their baptismal covenants?</p>
<p>Children and the mentally disabled frequently partake because they are considered innocent and in no way unworthy.  What about ex-Mormons who are not returning to the church but attending due to familial obligation?  What about crazy people (there are lots of brands of crazy)?  What about ex-Mormons who are crazy?</p>
<p>If intervention is desired, who should intervene?  How and when should this take place?  Isn&#8217;t a lay member intervening kind of like a citizen&#8217;s arrest?  This is one area where I agree with Elizabeth I:  I have &#8220;no desire to make windows into men&#8217;s souls.&#8221;  Nor have I seen anyone burst into flames for touching the sacrament or keel over dead like Uzzah the ark-steadier.  My tendency would be to leave it up to the individual, but perhaps I am being remiss.</p>
<p>And when do you feel you should recuse yourself from taking the sacrament?  For major infractions only?  If you are yelling at the kids to hurry in the morning?</p>
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