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		<description><![CDATA[Last week we looked at some of the cool profiles on mormon.org that are part of a new effort to make members real and accessible for potential investigators.  And we talked about the difficulties of giving members an open mic on some of the tough questions.  This week let&#8217;s look at another tough topic:  Women and the priesthood. First of all, here is the phrasing of the question:  Why don&#8217;t women hold the priesthood in the Mormon Church?  How do women lead in the Mormon Church? The first &#8220;answer&#8221; was just a quote by Gordon B. Hinckley, and frankly it was the one I liked best, although I worried a smidge about how outsiders might perceive part of it: &#8220;Women do not hold the priesthood because the Lord has put it that way.  (Here we run the risk of sounding like we are saying &#8220;because the Lord, who is a man, told the leaders, who are all men . . .&#8221;  You get the point).  It is part of His program. Women have a very prominent place in this Church. Men hold the priesthood offices of the Church. But women have a tremendous place in this Church. They have their [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week we looked at some of the cool profiles on mormon.org that are part of a new effort to make members real and accessible for potential investigators.  And we talked about the difficulties of giving members an open mic on some of the tough questions.  This week let&#8217;s look at another tough topic:  Women and the priesthood.<span id="more-12395"></span></p>
<p>First of all, here is the phrasing of the question:  <a href="http://www.mormon.org/faq/women-in-the-church/">Why don&#8217;t women hold the priesthood in the Mormon Church?  How do women lead in the Mormon Church?</a></p>
<p>The first &#8220;answer&#8221; was just a quote by Gordon B. Hinckley, and frankly it was the one I liked best, although I worried a smidge about how outsiders might perceive part of it:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Women do not hold the priesthood because the Lord has put it that way.  (<em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Here we run the risk of sounding like we are saying &#8220;because the Lord, who is a man, told the leaders, who are all men . . .&#8221;  You get the point</span></em>).  It is part of His program. Women have a very prominent place in this Church. Men hold the priesthood offices of the Church. But women have a tremendous place in this Church. They have their own organization. It was started in 1842 by the Prophet Joseph Smith <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">(need I say &#8220;a man&#8221;),</span></em> called the Relief Society, because its initial purpose was to administer help to those in need. It has grown to be, I think, the largest women’s organization in the world&#8230; They have their own offices, their own presidency, their own board. That reaches down to the smallest unit of the Church everywhere in the world&#8230;</p>
<p>“The men hold the priesthood, yes. But my wife is my companion. In this Church the man neither walks ahead of his wife nor behind his wife but at her side. They are co-equals in this life in a great enterprise.” <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>(This is my favorite part of his quote).</em></span></p></blockquote>
<p>Common member answers that I thought would be generally acceptable to outsiders:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>God sets the rules</strong>.
<ul>
<li>&#8220;Well, the quick answer is God&#8217;s priesthood, God&#8217;s rules. In reading the Holy Bible you can see that the priesthood of God has always been exclusive. I&#8217;ve heard lots of speculation on this over the course of my years in the Church, but I still think that the quick answer is only one we know for sure right now.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;I have a pretty simple understanding of this question. It&#8217;s God&#8217;s priesthood. He can give it to, or withhold it from anybody He chooses. If I thought the church was led by men, instead of by God himself, then I might think that they were selfish, or old fashioned, or just wrong. But knowing that the head of the Church is God, I let Him govern His Church any way He so chooses. But from the outside looking in, I know that you might not know that God really is in charge. You might still be suspicious. I can understand that. Still, the true answer is to ask God. If this is truly His church, then we have less objections to Him choosing to run it His way.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Priesthood is always restricted</strong>.
<ul>
<li>&#8220;The Lord has throughout the scriptures given different responsibilities to different people, based on all sorts of things.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;In the days of Moses, for example, not every man had the priesthood. It is only in our day that every worthy male may be ordained into the priesthood of God.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>It&#8217;s only a matter of time</strong>.  (This seemed a bit progressive, but the censors didn&#8217;t object.)
<ul>
<li>&#8220;My faith is placed in God, and should He choose to extend priesthood to the women of the church, I&#8217;m okay with that idea. It&#8217;s His church, His priesthood, and I will follow Him any way He leads.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;As to why women do not hold the Priesthood, my answer is it is a matter of the Lord&#8217;s timing.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Priesthood blessings are for all, and it&#8217;s only used for service</strong>.
<ul>
<li>&#8220;The priesthood is used to serve others and perform ordinances of the gospel, the blessings of which are enjoyed by both men and women.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;The priesthood power is not a gift or a right but an oath and covenant that a worthy man makes with the Lord. It is not a power for man&#8217;s own gain and a man is not better off than a woman because he holds this power. Women and men are entitled to the same blessings and promises when they live righteously.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;I have no doubt that I, woman, am as significant to my Heavenly parent as any man. If you understand that the priesthood is all about service, then perhaps you&#8217;ll see how this is a vehicle for men to serve God and their fellowman.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;The priesthood however, is not to be used to benefit yourself, but to benefit others, such as the sick, or anyone else (family or otherwise) who is in need of a blessing from God.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Women hold key leadership positions in the church</strong>. Sample comments:
<ul>
<li>&#8220;There are certain positions that are held by men, and certain others that are only held by women.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;There are innumerable opportunities for women to serve and bless the lives of others through their church service. In the church I have always felt important and cherished. I feel that my contributions are appreciated and needed.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Women do lead in the church in many callings, and do a spot on job of it.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;The five women in my life are leaders. They know what they want and what they don&#8217;t want. When they speak, I know I had better listen. While they do not currently have the Priesthood, they do certainly influence me. So do women who lead the children (the Primary organization) and the women&#8217;s organization (the Relief Society) and those who speak or pray or serve in the Lord&#8217;s house, the Temple.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Common members answers that made me nervous:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Priesthood?  No, thanks!</strong>  <strong>I&#8217;ve got my hands full with these dishes and dirty diapers, thank you very much!</strong>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;When I read or hear similar questions such as these I want to laugh. To me a question like this is akin to asking for more responsiblity, more accountablity, more work, more angish (<strong>sic</strong>) etc. . . . I guess my question would be, why would a woman want to hold the priesthood?&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Honey, we women have enough to do! Why worry about holding the priesthood too? Just lovingly hold that dear husband of yours and support him as he honors the priesthood.&#8221;  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">I think I threw up in my mouth a little on that one.</span></em></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;Personally, I would rather lead at home as a mother, than anywhere else.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>I have been rendered incapable of speech by that one.</em></span></span></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Men and women are inherently different.</strong>  Mommies have babies, and daddies do (insert awesome entitled stuff).  All right, that&#8217;s a very loose paraphrase.  But the old &#8220;boys and girls are different&#8221; routine often strays into sexist stereotypes easily sniffed out by investigators (unless they too are sexist).
<ul>
<li>&#8220;Just as men have not been appointed to bear children in this life, so women have not been appointed to bear the priesthood.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Men and woman have different responsibilites. The man has the responsibility of holding the priesthood and using those keys given to them (<strong>sic</strong>) in righteousness. Woman (<strong>sic</strong>) have another kind of responsibility that of bareing (<strong>sic</strong>) and rearing children.&#8221;  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Seriously, what is up with the grammar and spell check on mormon.org??  There is clearly no basic editing</span></em>.  (same comment)  &#8220;Each of us, man and woman have a sacred roll (<em><span style="color: #0000ff;">like the shewbread of the temple?)</span> </em>like our Heavenly Parents that is not talked of much, but is essential just the same.&#8221;  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">I&#8217;m unclear what it is that is not talked of much.  The roles of parents seem talked about a lot.  Heavenly Father is talked about a lot.  So does this mean that Heavenly Mother is not talked about?  If so, there&#8217;s subject-verb disagreement in that sentence.</span></em></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Women have access through men.</strong>  This is really close to saying women still get the blessings, but it has the twist of sounding like men take care of women and women are dependent on men.
<ul>
<li>&#8220;As a woman I have total access to the blessings of the priesthood through my father, husband, bishop, and home teachers. Our home teachers visit my family in our home monthly and look after our well-being.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Women lead by example (aka being modest).</strong>  This one kills me with its irrelevance.  How do we go from a question about women and the priesthood to talking about how women should dress?  Yet, here we go.
<ul>
<li>&#8220;Many women in the Mormon Church also lead by setting an example of virtue, and do not follow the tight/low cut/body revealing fashions of this day but instead understand their true beauty is enhanced by their choice to be modest in dress.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Young girls need righteous examples of Christlike women to whom they can look as they try to make good decisions in today&#8217;s world. Women who are modest, caring, honest and virtuous lead these girls to Christ.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Men need the priesthood because women are better than they are (aka Male Guilt Syndrome).</strong>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;My wife is a remarkable woman, and does all of this without the priesthood. I, however, need the priesthood because I&#8217;m not a woman, and would fail miserably without it.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Because men are rather selfish and self-centered by nature, they need extra guidance and teaching to acquire compassion and selflessness. Serving in the priesthood is that schooling process for them. Women, on the other hand, are much more natural in their abilities to love and serve and teach. Priesthood is not required for them to emulate the Savior&#8217;s commandment to love one another.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Here are some things I could possibly say if I were answering this question:</p>
<ul>
<li>I don&#8217;t know why women don&#8217;t.  Perhaps that will change at some point in the future.  Women do use priesthood power within temples (but it&#8217;s not suitable for mormon.org which is primarily focused on a non-LDS audience).</li>
<li>We have no paid clergy at the ward level, so priesthood is not a career in our church.</li>
<li>Women hold at least as many leadership positions as men at the ward level, and are probably more influential in these roles.  Women speak in church to the congregation every Sunday and teach lessons to adults.</li>
<li>Our scriptures specifically state that anyone who uses &#8220;unrighteous dominion&#8221; loses his priesthood power.</li>
</ul>
<p>What were your reactions to these answers?  Did you like some I didn&#8217;t like or dislike ones I liked?  What would your answer be to that question?  Are you motivated to create your own profile yet?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Feminist Musings on the story of Jephthah</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 06:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #19 You are going to talk about the Biblical Judges in this week&#8217;s Sunday School class, and the lesson&#8217;s got it pretty well covered (including a discussion of the Judge/Prophetess/Mother in Israel Deborah, yay!) You&#8217;ll have to let me know how your respective teachers covered her.  But some of the Judges are peripheral and didn&#8217;t make it into the lesson materials.  As is my wont to do, I&#8217;d like to investigate the marginal; the story that isn&#8217;t mentioned in the manual &#8212; that of Jephthah. Whenever I come across an odd story in the Old Testament, I feel compelled pull it apart and try to make some sense out of it. Why is it there? Does it have some symbolic meaning of which we are unaware? Are we misinterpreting crucial aspects? Would it make more sense within the cultural milieu? Such is the story of this lesser-known Biblical judge. This strange little story begins with an &#8220;unlikely hero,&#8221; Jephthah, the son of a prostitute. He was taken into his father&#8217;s family and raised there, but after the death of his father the legitimate children forced him to leave. He made some reputation for himself among a band [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #19</strong></big><br />
You are going to talk about the Biblical Judges in this week&#8217;s <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=0f74c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Sunday School </a>class, and the lesson&#8217;s got it pretty well covered (including a discussion of the Judge/Prophetess/Mother in Israel Deborah, yay!) You&#8217;ll have to let me know how your respective teachers covered her.  But some of the Judges are peripheral and didn&#8217;t make it into the lesson materials.  As is my wont to do, I&#8217;d like to investigate the marginal; the story that isn&#8217;t mentioned in the manual &#8212; that of Jephthah.</p>
<p>Whenever I come across an odd story in the Old Testament, I feel compelled pull it apart and try to make some sense out of it.  Why is it there?  Does it have some symbolic meaning of which we are unaware?  Are we misinterpreting crucial aspects?  Would it make more sense within the cultural milieu?  Such is the story of this lesser-known Biblical judge.<span id="more-11279"></span></p>
<p>This strange little story begins with an &#8220;unlikely hero,&#8221; Jephthah, the son of a prostitute.  He was taken into his father&#8217;s family and raised there, but after the death of his father the legitimate children forced him to leave.  He made some reputation for himself among a band of &#8220;vain men,&#8221; so that when his countrymen needed help against the Ammonites, they came to him.  Jephthah agreed to captain an army against Ammon, in return for being named their titular head.  His first military action was an attempt to negotiate with the enemy.  When that did not work, he gathered together the men of Israel.  The Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he went forth to battle, making a interesting vow to the Lord.  If the Lord would help him win the battle, he would dedicate to the Lord and offer up for a burnt offering whatever should come forth from the doors of his house to meet him when he returned.</p>
<p>After a successful conquest, Jephthah returned home and was greeted by his daughter, his only child.  That she was a precious and only child is pointed up by the fact that the judges immediately before and after him were Jair (who had thirty sons who rode on thirty ass colts), and Ibzan (who had thirty sons and thirty daughters).  The number of children is the only fact we are told about these two judges, making it very likely that they are there solely for the reason of emphasizing Jephthah&#8217; only begotten child.  But she was a female.</p>
<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/dore_082-1.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-11308 alignright" style="margin-left: 20px; margin-right: 20px;" title="dore_082 (1)" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/dore_082-1.jpg" alt="" width="330" height="290" /></a>Not only was human sacrifice forbidden by the Lord, (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=deut+18%3A10">Deut. 18:10</a>), but burnt offerings were to be firstborn males (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=lev+1%3A3%2C+10">Lev. 1:3</a>).  Nevertheless, Jephthah had made a vow, and intended to keep it.  His daughter acquiesced, asking only for two months time to go up to the mountains with some friends and &#8220;bewail her virginity.&#8221;  At the end of the two months, she returned to her father, and he &#8220;did with her according to his vow which he had vowed, and she knew no man.&#8221;  Thereafter it became a custom for the daughters of Israel to go up four days in a year to lament the fate of the daughter of Jephthah.</p>
<p>The tradition of Biblical scholars is to interpret this vow of Jephthah&#8217;s as an impetuous and evil action which had disastrous consequences.  That Latter-day Saints have followed in this tradition is clear from the chapter heading of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/judg/11">Judges 11</a>: &#8220;<em>He makes a <strong>rash vow </strong>which leads to sacrifice of his only daughter.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>This interpretation is problematic for at least two reasons.  First, if this was a &#8220;rash vow,&#8221; why would the Lord be given credit for bringing about the victory of Jephthah&#8217;s army?  In the Book of Judges, the people are punished with captivity and defeat when they forsake the Lord.  Second, why would Jephthah make such a vow?  Did he think perhaps an animal would be the first out the door to greet him?  (In ancient Israel the animals were sometimes kept in the house.)  What if the animal was an unclean one, such as a dog?  To offer up such a sacrifice would be a great affront.  But perhaps the greatest problem Biblical scholars face in the exegesis of this passage is the inclusion of Jephthah in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/heb/11">Hebrews 11</a> &#8212; the &#8220;faith chapter.&#8221;  Here Jephthah is included along with the great heroes of the Old Testament in obtaining &#8220;a good report through faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>I rather favor an interpretation that became popular in medieval times and has been revived recently &#8212; that Jephthah was promising only to dedicate his daughter to the Lord and not to kill her.  This would parallel Jephthah&#8217;s daughter more to<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/judg/13"> Samson</a> and to <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=1+sam+1%3A11&amp;do=Search">Samuel</a> than to Abraham&#8217;s sacrifice of Isaac.  But it would preserve the Messianic shadowing. Several points make this interpretation possible:</p>
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<li>The Hebrew &#8220;vav&#8221; usually translated &#8220;and&#8221; may also be translated as &#8220;or&#8221; rendering the reading in Judges 11:31: &#8220;whatsoever cometh forth&#8230;to meet me&#8230;shall surely be the Lord&#8217;s, <em><strong>or</strong> </em>I will offer it up as a burnt offering.&#8221; Thus Jephthah&#8217;s method of sacrifice would depend upon what came forth out of his door.</li>
<li>The daughter departed into the mountains to &#8220;bewail her virginity,&#8221; not her death.  It is possible that she was being offered to some type of temple service which would necessitate her remaining unwed for the rest of her life.  Note verse 39 which says that Jephthah kept &#8220;his vow which he had vowed: and <strong><em>she knew no man</em></strong>.&#8221;  This last clause would seem awkward and unnecessary if she were being put to death.</li>
<li>Certain Hebrew scholars believe that for as long as she lived, the virgins of Israel went at different times, each for four days in the year, to provide comfort and encouragement to the daughter of Jephthah at the tent of meeting. This custom must have ended at her death, since there is no further reference to it in scripture or Jewish history.</li>
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<p>You see that it is possible to fit this story quite nicely into our Latter-day Saint canon.  Faithful Jephthah makes a promise to the Lord, and keeps his promise.  Faithful Jephthah&#8217;s daughter yields herself to her father&#8217;s vow and becomes a type of Christ.  Handel uses a variation of this interpretation in his oratorio, <a href="http://opera.stanford.edu/iu/libretti/jephtha.htm">Jephtha</a>.  I&#8217;ll share with you a lovely aria from the oratorio below.  Here Jeptha is reconciled to the blood sacrifice of his daughter, and sings &#8220;Waft her, angels, through the skies,&#8221; before learning that her death is not required, and she shall instead be dedicated to God in a pure and virgin state for the rest of her life.</p>
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<p>The story doesn&#8217;t fit quite so nicely into feminist thought, however&#8230;or does it?  What was the name of this intriguing daughter?  What was she like?  Didn&#8217;t she deserve to make her own decisions?  Why must her life be subject to her father&#8217;s vow?  Here&#8217;s the other side of the question: if Samuel and Isaac were obedient to the vows of their parents, isn&#8217;t it equal treatment for a young woman in the scriptures to show the same dedication?  Is submission not a principle that Christ modeled, and which males and females must all learn?  In my search for spiritual submission, is it helpful to have a female role model?  Or would this simply reinforce <a href="http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.com/">unrighteous patriarchal domination </a>which tends to crop up in religious settings?  Can it be possible to spin this story into a celebration of a strong woman character who makes her own decisions and chooses on her own to follow the Lord?  And what of my own life?  Is it conceivable to view the submission I have promised in the temple as a glorious principle even though the submission my husband covenants is to God, and mine is to a mere mortal?  Is the surrender I give freely in this holy place simply that required of all Christian disciples?  Or does God require of women an additional offering?  Does Jephthah&#8217;s daughter hold the key?  Am I to become a daughter on the pyre?  I&#8217;m still wondering.<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jephthah2.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-11289" title="jephthah2" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jephthah2.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="161" /></a><br />
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		<title>From Patriarchy to Eternity</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to put this as simply as possible, and let&#8217;s start with a definition.  Patriarchy is a social system in which the father or eldest male is head of the household, having authority over women and children. Patriarchy also refers to a system of government by males, and to the dominance of men in social or cultural systems.  I know that this is a true definition, having found it on Wikipedia. However, if you disagree, scroll down and I will include definitions from as many dictionaries as I can google.  Patriarchy by its very definition is not compatible with equality. Equality is the quality of being the same in quantity or measure or value or status.  I realize that it has become politically correct to describe our LDS families as simultaneously patriarchal and equality-based.  But this is linguistically impossible. (Whew. I&#8217;m having uncontrollable urges to type in all caps.)   The Proclamation on the Family attempts to describe a family situation where fathers are responsible to preside and provide but at the same time both partners are obligated to help one another as equal partners. In order to do this, Mormons attempt to change the definition of patriarchy [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a>I am going to put this as simply as possible, and let&#8217;s start with a definition.  Patriarchy is a social system in which the father or eldest male is head of the household, having <strong>authority</strong> over women and children. Patriarchy also refers to a system of government by males, and to the <strong>dominance</strong> of men in social or cultural systems.  I know that this is a true definition, having found it on Wikipedia. However, if you disagree, scroll down and I will include definitions from as many dictionaries as I can google.  Patriarchy by its very definition is not compatible with equality.<span id="more-9659"></span></p>
<p>Equality is the quality of being the same in quantity or measure or value or status.  I realize that it has become politically correct to describe our LDS families as simultaneously patriarchal and equality-based.  But this is linguistically impossible. (Whew. I&#8217;m having uncontrollable urges to type in all caps.)   The <a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html">Proclamation</a> on the Family attempts to describe a family situation where fathers are responsible to preside and provide but at the same time both partners are obligated to help one another as equal partners.</p>
<p>In order to do this, Mormons attempt to change the definition of patriarchy to something that has little or no meaning. The patriarch in a family, they insist, does not hold the power or authority over his wife to the extent that it would negate her equality.  Instead, he merely calls the family together for spiritual activities and invites a family member to say the prayer.  As<a href="http://ldsdoctrine.blogspot.com/2007/07/lds-patriarchy.html"> one blogger</a> so succinctly stated it, <span style="color: #993300;">&#8220;The patriarch is the presiderer, not the deciderer.&#8221;</span> He further explains:</p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color: #993300;"><em>&#8220;Men and women are consider to be of equal status in the LDS church&#8230;Because childbirth and child-rearing tends to be spiritually sanctifying endevers for women, the priestood assigns men spiritual duties that they would not normally take on themselves&#8230; How does this presiding business affect decision-making? Not much. When my wife and I make a decision, we make it together. I would never just tell my wife, &#8216;I am the deciderer.&#8217; In conclusion, God has given that men preside because of our lack of spiritual fitness. We need the exercize.&#8221;</em></span></p>
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<p>Unfortunately, this blogger not only needs work on spelling words which begin with &#8220;e,&#8221; he also needs to look up the definition of the word &#8220;preside.&#8221; This word, far from softening the meaning of patriarchy, only serves to reinforce:</p>
<p>Preside &#8212; To occupy or hold a position of <strong>authority</strong>, as over a meeting. To possess or exercise <strong>power or control</strong>.</p>
<p>If the LDS Church is to move to a stance of equal partnership within the family, they really have no choice but to lose the words &#8220;patriarchal&#8221; and &#8220;preside&#8221; with respect to the position a husband holds in the home.</p>
<p>&#8220;But BiV,&#8221; you say.  &#8220;We&#8217;ve been over this ground many times before.  Why bring it up again?&#8221;</p>
<p>I bring it up because I fear that with the attempt to soften the rhetoric of patriarchy/presiding in the home and make it compatible with equality, our members are <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/02/01/women-men-and-the-fall/#comment-174481">losing the sense</a> that patriarchy is a social construct (see our definitions below).  There is no necessity to consider patriarchy an eternal condition.  I prefer to look at patriarchy as a negative effect of the Fall (thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee) which will be ameliorated in the eternal realm.  President Spencer W. Kimball wrote a foreward to the Brigham Young University publication of Hugh W. Nibley&#8217;s discourse on the ideal of marriage in God&#8217;s Eden and stated:</p>
<blockquote><p>“There is no patriarchy or matriarchy in the Garden; the two supervise each other … and [are] just as dependent on each other.”</p></blockquote>
<p>We do not know exactly what Priesthood and Priestesshood will look like in a post-mortal condition.  But we have been taught that equality will be restored.  Elder James E. Talmage wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>“It is not given to woman to exercise the authority of the Priesthood independently; nevertheless, in the sacred endowments…woman shares with man the blessings of the Priesthood.” Talmage then hints at a greater sharing of priesthood in the next life: “When the frailties and imperfections of mortality are left behind, in the glorified state of the blessed hereafter, husband and wife will administer in their respective stations, seeing and understanding alike, and co-operating to the full in the government of their family kingdom.” (&#8220;The Eternity of Sex,&#8221; YW Journal 25 (October 1914): 602-603)</p></blockquote>
<p>The shift to an equality-based home in recent times is commendable.  I feel it more accurately represents the balance of power and oneness which will prevail in the eternal realms.  A majority of two-parent LDS homes today are organized around an ideal expressed by Gordon B. Hinckley as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In this Church the man neither walks ahead of his wife nor behind his wife but at her side. They are coequals&#8230;  Since the beginning, God has instructed mankind that marriage should unite husband and wife together in unity.  Therefore, there is not a president or a vice president in a family. The couple works together eternally for the good of the family. They are united together in word, in deed, and in action as they lead, guide, and direct their family unit. They are on equal footing. They plan and organize the affairs of the family jointly and unanimously as they move forward.&#8221; ( <em>Ensign,</em> Nov. 1996, 49.)</p></blockquote>
<p>If this egalitarian goal is to be accomplished, the competing words &#8220;patriarch&#8221; and &#8220;preside&#8221; must be eliminated from the description of family dynamics. They are not useful in encouraging the father to play a more active role in the spiritual life of his family. Instead, the rhetoric should change to more concisely describe the desired result.  Why not urge fathers to become more involved in spiritual instruction, or to more enthusiastically model religious behaviors, if that is what we mean by &#8220;presiding?&#8221;<br />
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<p>Patriarchy:</p>
<ul>
<li>A form of social organization in which the father is the <strong>supreme authority</strong> in the family, clan, or tribe (Random House Dictionary)</li>
<li>A social system in which the father is the head of the family and men have <strong>authority</strong> over women and children. (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language)</li>
<li>A family or society in which <strong>authority</strong> is vested in males, through whom descent and inheritance are traced. (American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy)</li>
<li>Social system in which the father or a male elder has absolute <strong>authority</strong> over the family group; by extension, one or more men (as in a council) exert absolute <strong>authority</strong> over the community as a whole. (Encyclopedia Britannica)</li>
<li>Social organization marked by the <strong>supremacy</strong> of the father in the clan or family, the legal dependence of wives and children, and the reckoning of descent and inheritance in the male line; <em>broadly</em> <strong>:</strong> <strong>control</strong> by men of a disproportionately large share of<strong> power </strong>(Merriam-Webster&#8217;s Online Dictionary)</li>
<li style="color: black;"><span class="DEFINITION">a society, system, or organization in which men have all or most of the <strong>power and influence</strong> (Macmillan Dictionary)</span></li>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because of the New Moon movie, Twilight is getting a lot of discussion in the media.  Since the author, Stephanie Meyer, is LDS, a few articles have even taken a swipe at Mormon values, expressing the opinion that the unenlightened choices of the female lead are typical for patriarchal, female-disempowering Mormons.  Read on, and then take a quick poll to share your opinions. First, a few of the articles with their key points: Entertainment Weekly&#8216;s Owen Gleiberman asks and answers &#8220;Edward Cullen, stalker?  Yes, but so is the hero of the Graduate.&#8221; His point:  This is a novel about a vampire, so stalking is the least of his sins (he compares calling Edward Cullen a stalker to accusing Dracula of trespassing and sexual harassment).  He also lists many other films and books in which the male character could be accused of stalking (e.g. Say Anything, Pretty Woman). Entertainment Weekly&#8216;s Owen G. talking about &#8220;New Moon:  why its girl-driven success is good for the future of movies.&#8221;  His point:  most teen movies are geared toward males, so teen movies for females (even unenlightened, quivering female doormats) are a step in the right direction.  He also lauds the lack of consummation as (kind [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the New Moon movie, Twilight is getting a lot of discussion in the media.  Since the author, Stephanie Meyer, is LDS, a few articles have even taken a swipe at Mormon values, expressing the opinion that the unenlightened choices of the female lead are typical for patriarchal, female-disempowering Mormons.  Read on, and then take a quick poll to share your opinions.<span id="more-8484"></span></p>
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<p>First, a few of the articles with their key points:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Entertainment Weekly</strong>&#8216;s Owen Gleiberman asks and answers &#8220;<a href="http://movie-critics.ew.com/2009/11/30/edward-cullen-stalker/">Edward Cullen, stalker?  Yes, but so is the hero of the Graduate</a>.&#8221; His point:  This is a novel about a vampire, so stalking is the least of his sins (he compares calling Edward Cullen a stalker to accusing Dracula of trespassing and sexual harassment).  He also lists many other films and books in which the male character could be accused of stalking (e.g. Say Anything, Pretty Woman).</li>
<li><strong>Entertainment Weekly</strong>&#8216;s Owen G. talking about &#8220;<a href="http://movie-critics.ew.com/2009/11/26/new-moon-why-its-good-for-the-future-of-movies/">New Moon:  why its girl-driven success is good for the future of movies</a>.&#8221;  His point:  most teen movies are geared toward males, so teen movies for females (even unenlightened, quivering female doormats) are a step in the right direction.  He also lauds the lack of consummation as (kind of, in a retro-way) empowering to the female audience.</li>
<li>Anita Singh of <strong>The Telegraph</strong> (a UK-based news source) reports:  &#8220;<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/6643530/Twilight-sequel-New-Moon-is-anti-feminist-claims-professor.html">Twilight sequel New Moon is anti-feminist claims professo</a>r.&#8221;  The point:  New Moon is not only anti-feminist in its themes, but who could expect anything else from such a patriarchal backwards religion like Mormonism?  According to Prof. Sieber:  &#8220;This is a film full of gender stereotypes—testosterone-driven male aggression, females who pine away over lost loves, boys who fix motorcycles and the girls who watch them.&#8221;  As Anita Singh paraphrases Dr. Sieber:  &#8220;Bella&#8217;s choices are influenced by Meyer&#8217;s background as a member of &#8220;the highly patriarchal&#8221; Mormon church.&#8221;</li>
<li><strong>Religion Dispatches</strong> bloggers Anthony Petro and Samira Mehta reveal the hidden Mormon theology of the Twilight Series in a post titled:  <a href="http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/mediaculture/2052/big_vampire_love:_what%E2%80%99s_so_mormon_about_twilight">Big Vampire Love:  What&#8217;s so Mormon about Twilight?</a> They include such Mormon parallels as:  sealing and eternal marriage, chastity, and family values.  The post does not beef about sexism or anti-feminism and treats the religious angle with curiosity and respect, not disdain.</li>
<li>Graeme McMillan of <strong>i09</strong> wrote a post:  <a href="http://io9.com/5413428/official-twilights-bella--edward-are-in-an-abusive-relationship">Official:  Twilight&#8217;s Bella &amp; Edward Are In An Abusive Relationship</a>.  This post shows that the relationship between the main characters in Twilight hits 15 of the markers of an abusive relationship according to the assessment questions from the National Domestic Violence Hotline.</li>
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<p>Lest I get too far ahead of myself, here&#8217;s a list of the anti-feminist traits people have identified in the books:</p>
<ul>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Bella is a typical &#8220;damsel-in-distress&#8221; </strong></span>waiting to be rescued and only comfortable when in the protection of a man.</li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Bella never drives &#8211; only the men drive in Twilight</strong></span>.  They literally are the ones responsible for Bella&#8217;s direction and movement.</li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Edward acts not only protectively, but crosses the line into stalker / predator territory.</strong></span> His controlling behavior is abusive.  (I suspect that abusive relationships are more the norm among those of previous generations, bloodsucking vampires, and fictional characters in general:  Edward hits the trifecta on this one.  No offense to Team Edward.)</li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Bella suffers from low self-esteem</strong></span>.  After a breakup, she literally wallows in the mud.  Perhaps critics would have appreciated a nice Aretha Franklin R-E-S-P-E-C-T moment coupled with some cutesy shadow-boxing (a la Meg Ryan in You&#8217;ve Got Mail).</li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Bella gets married straight out of high school</strong></span>, although the men in the books are all college educated.  One wonders what her fall back plan will be should Edward encounter Buffy the Vampire Slayer at some future date.  Slinging hash at the local diner?</li>
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<p>Of course, many of the same criticisms (and more) could be leveled at The Little Mermaid (literally gives her voice away at age 16 to ensnare a man with her body language &#8211; wanting only to be a &#8220;part of YOUR world,&#8221; meaning Eric&#8217;s world, rather than making her own way) which we know was written by that uptight, patriarchal, right-wing, er, gay, show-tune writing duo:  Mencken and Ashe.</p>
<p>So, time to weigh in with a few poll questions!</p>
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<p>Confession time:  I haven&#8217;t read the books or seen the films, so I&#8217;m just reporting what has been written in the media here.  Regardless, that picture (above) is hawt!</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mormon Matters welcomes our newest guest poster.  Kate Kelly graduated from Brigham Young University with a BA in Political Science. She served a mission for the church in Barcelona, Spain. She is currently in law school at American University’s Washington College of Law, the only law school in the nation world founded by women. She has had a career of various and sundry amazing jobs. She has been a mortgage counselor, an interpreter, an English teacher and spent last summer in Manhattan working at the Center for Constitutional Rights, as an Ella Baker legal fellow. She and her nurturing, gentle angel of a husband blog at www.kateandneil.com. “Our Nation has had a long and unfortunate history of sex discrimination. Traditionally, such discrimination was rationalized by an attitude of ‘romantic paternalism’ which, in practical effect, put women not on a pedestal, but in a cage.” Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677 (1973). BYU is closing its Women’s Research Institute, and I, along with many others http://supportwri.blogspot.com/, am distressed by this decision. My distress comes, not only because of the consequences of this shortsighted move, but because it is emblematic of the overall problem in the church of romantic paternalism. Forgive me [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1OZixgeCpgE/SwH0vvWDA-I/AAAAAAAAAdc/ICWp5i9rpFc/s1600/kate+profile+pic.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5404870128821273570" style="margin: 0pt 10px 0px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 69px; height: 90px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1OZixgeCpgE/SwH0vvWDA-I/AAAAAAAAAdc/ICWp5i9rpFc/s200/kate+profile+pic.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><em>Mormon Matters welcomes our newest guest poster.  Kate Kelly graduated from Brigham Young University with a BA in Political Science. She served a mission for the church in Barcelona, Spain. She is currently in law school at American University’s <a href="http://www.wcl.american.edu/history/founders.cfm" target="_blank">Washington College of Law</a>, the only law school in the <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">nation</span> world founded by women. She has had a career of various and sundry amazing jobs. She has been a mortgage counselor, an interpreter, an English teacher and spent last summer in Manhattan working at the Center for Constitutional Rights, as an Ella Baker legal fellow. She and her nurturing, gentle angel of a husband blog at <a href="http://www.kateandneil.com/" target="_blank">www.kateandneil.com</a>.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">“Our Nation has had a long and unfortunate history of sex discrimination. Traditionally, such discrimination was rationalized by an attitude of ‘romantic paternalism’ which, in practical effect, put women not on a pedestal, but in a cage.” <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Frontiero v. Richardson</span>, 411 U.S. 677 (1973).</p>
<p>BYU is closing its Women’s Research Institute, and I, along with many others <a href="http://supportwri.blogspot.com/">http://supportwri.blogspot.com/</a>, am distressed by this decision. My distress comes, not only because of the consequences of this shortsighted move, but because it is emblematic of the overall problem in the church of romantic paternalism.<span id="more-8322"></span></p>
<p>Forgive me a personal anecdote. There are many things that are sacred about LDS temples and not discussed outside their walls, however, the fact that they are staffed almost exclusively by surprisingly spritely octogenarians is not one of those details. As a newly married couple my husband and I went to the Salt Lake temple to do <a href="http://mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/glossary/glossary-definition/sealing">sealings</a>.  When I got married I kept my surname and, for some reason it is only in Mormon contexts that this seems to particularly baffle people. This confusion almost always surfaces in American temples (since in many parts of the world, like all of Central and South America, it is social custom for the wife to keep her name). On this particular occasion one of the aforementioned elderly crew was having a hard time understanding why, though we were legally and lawfully wed, we had different surnames. He demanded that I give my reasons for such a decision, and not satisfied with the fact that it was my prerogative, he insisted that I was not respecting my husband. His final snide remark to me was, “well it will be nice when the light finally comes on for you.”</p>
<p>This angry brother was not alone in his contempt for independent women. I have seen many comments from people in the past few days that it is a shame that BYU is closing its Women’s Research Institute. I think that it is not only a shame, but also a sham. The official claims from the school are that the dissolution of the Institute will actually increase support of, funding for, and emphasis on women’s studies. This is emblematic of the doublespeak the BYU administration has perfected in response to concern over many issues. Less is more. Closing is just a way of beginning anew. We are shutting this program down because we find it so, so very important.</p>
<p>It is this same doublespeak that is used to simultaneously compliment and limit women in the church. As a Mormon woman I find it very uncomfortable to hear men talk about their wives in public settings from sacrament meeting to general conference. Traditional “feminine virtues” abound. Wives are described as “sweet,” “angelic,” “virtuous,” “charitable,” “compassionate,” “kind,” and, most importantly, “beautiful.” One Sunday we were asked to talk and I dared my husband to describe me as his “courageous,” “strong,” “intelligent” wife. I don’t want to be “cherished,” I want to be taken seriously.</p>
<p>There is a cohesive and powerful message to women running throughout the church. You have a (wonderful, glorious) place, stay put! This message runs throughout the history (ahem, polygamy &amp; the ERA) and modern role models provided for women. You want to know why “<a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705343316/Utah-women-lag-behind-nation-in-higher-education.html?pg=1">Utah Women Lag Behind the Nation in Higher Education</a>”  just watch General Conference any given session. All of the women who speak fit a very neat stereotype in their appearance, the subject matter of their talks and their delivery (which was described by my own father this way: “Hm, I don’t really know what it is about them, but NO MATTER what they are speaking about, their tone of voice seems to convey that they are talking about knitting.”).</p>
<p>This stereotype is also, of course, very pervasive in LDS culture. Last fall, as a first year law student studying in San Diego, I was invited to an event for all of the LDS law students in the area. There were approximately 30 students and their respective families in attendance. I was the only female law student. We took turns introducing ourselves in a circle after the meal while “the wives” played with children in an adjoining room. All of the men introduced themselves and said, “(insert female name) is over there with ‘the wives’.” When it came to us, everyone turned to my husband to introduce me. The experience was both surreal, and disconcerting. We both felt that the temporal context of that event might better have fit the 1970s, when my mother was attending law school, or 1870s for that matter.</p>
<p>This institutionalized approach of romantic paternalism in LDS culture needs to end. BYU, and the church in general need to take a leap into the 20<sup>th</sup> Century (not to mention the 21<sup>st</sup>). Women and men are equal in the sight of God. We are not more virtuous. We are not lovelier. We do not want to be held to a different standard, or be seen through a colored lens. We want our concerns, choices and academic pursuits to be taken seriously.</p>
<p>Back at the Salt Lake Temple in the sealing room that evening, in a moment of perhaps poor judgment, I replied to the obviously irritated temple worker, “that’s funny brother, I was about to say the very same thing.”</p>
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		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alice Walker, who wrote about the heartbreak of female genital mutilation quoted an African proverb in the beginning of her book Possessing the Secret of Joy:  &#8220;I have seen the axe, and the handle is one of us.&#8221;  Are women our own worst enemy when it comes to reinforcing stereotypes and norms that limit women? There was recently an excellent post on Exponent II about the difference between &#8220;good&#8221; feminists and &#8220;bad&#8221; feminists at church.  I wanted to broach this topic at Mormon Matters to get your thoughts about the role of sexism and feminism in the church. Here are some anonymous comments from a panel of LDS women discussing issues women face in a patriarchal church, especially from other women: I don&#8217;t know if women do the most harm, or if it is most hurtful when women do the harm because I want to feel that they should know better. Margaret Toscano made the point once that women who are benefiting by fitting into the patriarchy have more to lose by it going away than do men. So, the RSP has power, and (for the most part) women who are true to the church are the RSPs, they are the ones [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Alice Walker, who wrote about the heartbreak of female genital mutilation quoted an African proverb in the beginning of her book <em>Possessing the Secret of Joy</em>:  &#8220;I have seen the axe, and the handle is one of us.&#8221;  Are women our own worst enemy when it comes to reinforcing stereotypes and norms that limit women?<span id="more-5806"></span></div>
<div>There was recently an excellent post on <a href="http://the-exponent.com/2009/06/18/good-mormon-feminists-vs-bad-mormon-feminists-the-dividing-line/">Exponent II</a> about the difference between &#8220;good&#8221; feminists and &#8220;bad&#8221; feminists at church.  I wanted to broach this topic at Mormon Matters to get your thoughts about the role of sexism and feminism in the church.</div>
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<div>Here are some anonymous comments from a panel of LDS women discussing issues women face in a patriarchal church, especially from other women:</div>
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<li>I don&#8217;t know if women do the most harm, or if it is most hurtful when women do the harm because I want to feel that they should know better. Margaret Toscano made the point once that women who are benefiting by fitting into the patriarchy have more to lose by it going away than do men. So, the RSP has power, and (for the most part) women who are true to the church are the RSPs, they are the ones pushing the patriarchy the most. For instance my RSP says we can&#8217;t have enrichment without a defined higher purpose because &#8220;we can&#8217;t take women out of their homes&#8221; without cause.</li>
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<li>Men can&#8217;t really preach the patriarchy because they know how sexist it makes them sound, so they leave it to women. I admit it has gotten better, but how many times do women say &#8220;I don&#8217;t really want the priesthood&#8221; as a reason no woman should be able to make that choice. It is very rare for a man to even admit that women are excluded.</li>
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<li>There is also a huge culture war between the SAHM and working mother, and I think people who made that decision out of fear or authoritative institutional pressure are the first people who have something to lose when the church eliminates predefined <span id="lw_1245267439_0" style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%; CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">gender roles</span>. Those who made their decisions themselves are more confident in them and don&#8217;t receive their worth from a statement in the proclamation on the family.</li>
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<li> As a professional with a graduate degree, and as a wife without kids, I&#8217;ve been surprised at the sexism promoted by other women. I have unfortunately been blindsided by this more than once in very painful ways. I figure if a woman wants to have kids, then great! And if she wants a career at the same time, or a career without kids, great too! But I notice a lot of other women are uneasy with women who seize their opportunities and power. They feel they should get to make the choices for other women, or more accurately, that other women should be forced to make the same decisions they have made. I had one friend, a SAHM, call me and condemn me (using the prophet&#8217;s counsel) for not having the faith to have kids &#8211; only for her to break down minutes later crying about how bad her financial situation was. And it&#8217;s not just a SAHM v. career woman thing: I&#8217;ve witnessed sexism especially by other career women. A woman getting a promotion can be much more controversial than a man (and it&#8217;s the women, I&#8217;ve noticed, who are more outwardly bugged about the promotion than the men). Legally and ethically, sex and family circumstance should not lead into those business decisions, but the culture has a hard time getting over that.</li>
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<li>Women are great cultural enforcers. We keep the codes of society together. And one of the best faces patriarchy can have is a female face. A woman who says, &#8220;I would never want the responsibility of the <span id="lw_1245267439_1">Priesthood</span>&#8221; appears meek and humble, making women who would like to be empowered, or see other women empowered, looking anything but holy. I see this on Mormon feminist blogs each time we post on a directly feminist topic.  From an article I read:  &#8220;Often, when women live under the weight of silence and fear speaking out, they have the least tolerance for other women who break the rules — they use them as targets to discharge their pain and rage.&#8221;</li>
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<li>Obviously, it&#8217;s both <span id="lw_1245267439_2" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">men and women</span> who are accepting this culture the way it is. My business partner who is a great therapist/couples counselor always tells her clients &#8220;you are your own advocate, nobody else will do it for you.&#8221;</li>
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<li>I don&#8217;t think it matters who is perpetuating the situation, but women not only accept the situation, they compound the situation when they do not question the status-quo. If women rose up and spoke up or even just started asking questions, the men would address the issues at hand. At the very least, the more assertive women are making a difference in their individual wards by expecting respect and action.</li>
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<li>When Susan (name has been changed) was writing about how she thought she&#8217;d get dismissed as a feminist heretic by her bishop, I thought &#8220;Good!&#8221; At least he&#8217;ll know some of those cool sisters out there <span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">are</span> feminist heretics.&#8221; I wonder how many men in leadership roles realize how important equality is to so many of the sisters. We need to own our equality in order see change in our individual lives. The community will follow.</li>
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<div>How do you feel about the concept of patriarchy in the church?  Does patriarchy limit women&#8217;s choices?  Does female exclusion from the priesthood constitute sexism?  Does the Proclamation on the Family&#8217;s description of male and female roles limit women or protect the interests of families?  Is there a culture war between SAHMs and working moms in the church?  Are women the most oppressive toward other women in the church in limiting women&#8217;s roles and choices and lashing out at women who don&#8217;t conform?  What constitutes lashing out (e.g. silence, criticism, guilt, ostracism, correction)?</div>
<div>And a quick poll, to make it even more interesting:</div>
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<div>Discuss.</div>
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		<title>Memo To YW Leaders:  Thanks, But No Thanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Larsen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In our current callings, my wife and I spend a lot of time digging through Church instruction manuals.  I teach both the 12/13 year old Sunday School class (weekly) as well as Elders&#8217; Quorum (once a month).  My wife serves as the Laurels adviser, and is responsible for teaching at least a couple of lessons per month.  Nearly everybody who has served in a teaching capacity can point to some instance in which they have viewed the correlated manual as lacking in some respect, be it too bland, too overly positive in its historical view, or just plain out of date (ever try getting kids to relate to John Taylor&#8217;s days as a woodcrafter?) Last week, my wife ran across something in the Young Women manual that really caused us both to pause.  The lesson, entitled &#8220;Growing and Maturing In Self-Reliance (Part 1),&#8221; is centered around the notion that we, as Latter Day Saints, have a responsibility to become independent human beings.  That&#8217;s all well and good, but buried in the discussion points is the following &#8220;Note to teacher&#8221;: Be sure that the young women understand clearly that assuming responsibility and becoming self-reliant is desirable and is what our Father [...]]]></description>
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<p>In our current callings, my wife and I spend a lot of time digging through Church instruction manuals.  I teach both the 12/13 year old Sunday School class (weekly) as well as Elders&#8217; Quorum (once a month).  My wife serves as the Laurels adviser, and is responsible for teaching at least a couple of lessons per month.  Nearly everybody who has served in a teaching capacity can point to some instance in which they have viewed the correlated manual as lacking in some respect, be it too bland, too overly positive in its historical view, or just plain out of date (ever try getting kids to relate to John Taylor&#8217;s days as a woodcrafter?)<span id="more-4749"></span></p>
<p>Last week, my wife ran across something in the Young Women manual that really caused us both to pause.  The lesson, entitled &#8220;Growing and Maturing In Self-Reliance (Part 1),&#8221; is centered around the notion that we, as Latter Day Saints, have a responsibility to become independent human beings.  That&#8217;s all well and good, but buried in the discussion points is the following &#8220;Note to teacher&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>Be sure that the young women understand clearly that assuming responsibility and becoming self-reliant is desirable and is what our Father in Heaven hopes for and expects.  But this does not mean that we become independent of his direction in our lives or the sound counsel of parents or priesthood leaders.</p></blockquote>
<p>(<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d6371b08f338c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b50bcb7a29c20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&amp;contentLocale=0">Source</a>)</p>
<p>Can you figure out the source of our consternation?  Go back and read that second sentence again, and remember that this is a lesson being taught by a YW leader to a group of young women.  Who is left out as a potential source of direction and &#8220;sound counsel?&#8221;  The YW leader herself!</p>
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<p>To be clear, the purpose of this thread is not to bash priesthood leaders or ring the &#8220;do/should women have the priesthood&#8221; bell again.  Rather, I want to raise for discussion two issues I see resulting from this teaching:</p>
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<li><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">First</span></em>, this notion undermines the ability of our YW leaders to help guide the lives of those young girls for whom they are called to be stewards.  YW is one the few places where women are given the opportunity to occupy a prominent leadership role.  Just like in any other calling, those who put in the time and effort can have a major impact on the lives of those they lead.  But if we tell our YW leaders that their counsel is always (and necessarily) secondary to that of any random priesthood leader, we are cutting their legs out from under them.   Simply put, a leader cannot lead without authority.  And if we leave our YW leaders powerless, they will devolve into nothing more than figureheads.</li>
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<li><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>Second</em></span>, and more troubling for me, a diminished role for YW leaders sends (reinforces?) the message to our girls that they will always play a backseat role in the Church affairs.  I have served in Ward Council-type positions myself and, thus, I am aware of the wide scope of authority Relief Society presidents often have and wield.  But the MIA Maids, for example, aren&#8217;t privy to that example, leaving their YW adviser as the foremost non-parent example of how women can and do lead in the Church.</li>
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<p>You may be thinking to yourself, &#8220;geez, Larsen is making too much out of this.&#8221;  You may be right, but here&#8217;s why it gets under my skin.  I am <span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span> one who believes the Church is a patriarchal system designed to keep women down. Indeed, I have written <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/07/03/how-my-wife-exercises-her-priesthood/">elsewhere</a> about my wife having the opportunity to counsel a grieving friend in tandem with the Bishop.  But I am the father of three young daughters, all of whom will be entering the Young Women&#8217;s program in the next few years.  I want the Church to be a part of their life that brings them happiness and compels them to be better people.  I want them to have strong female role models within the Church, so that they know their voice matters, too.  Setting up a puppet YW leadership, for my money, sends the exact opposite message.</p>
<p>So tell me, am I reading too much into this? Are our YW leaders, in practice, made to play secondary roles?  Are we sending our girls the message that the only Church authorities from whom they can and should receive &#8216;sound counsel&#8217; wear suits and ties?  How do we correct the problem (or is not a problem at all?)</p>
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