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		<title>&#8220;Pretender&#8221; Mormons?</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/07/pretender-mormons/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Hat tip to Antonio Parr at BCC) To get this post, you&#8217;re either gonna have to spend 7 minutes listening to this song ..or be a Jackson Browne fan&#8230;.but here&#8217;s my question: How many of you out there have fallen prey&#8230;at one time or another&#8230;.to being a &#8220;Pretender&#8221; Mormon?  And I don&#8217;t mean pretending to be Mormon.  I mean falling into the middle-class life of which Jackson Browne so eloquently (and slightly condescendingly) sings, after some youthful phase of idealism.  I know I have at times.  More importantly, have any of you found a way to successfully escape?  Or is the whole idea only a mirage? (Click &#8220;Continue reading&#8221; below to read the lyrics while listening&#8230;my preferred method.) Anyway&#8230;.a moment of music-induced self-reflection for those willing to engage. I&#8217;m going to rent myself a house In the shade of the freeway I&#8217;m going to pack my lunch in the morning And go to work each day And when the evening rolls around I&#8217;ll go on home and lay my body down And when the morning light comes streaming in I&#8217;ll get up and do it again Amen Say it again Amen I want to know what became of the changes We [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hat tip to <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/01/06/everything-that-is-wrong-with-lds-gospel-teaching-part-2-bigger-faster-weaker/#comment-171080" target="_blank">Antonio Parr at BCC</a>)</p>
<p>To get this post, you&#8217;re either gonna have to spend 7 minutes listening to this song ..or be a Jackson Browne fan&#8230;.but here&#8217;s my question:</p>
<p>How many of you out there have fallen prey&#8230;at one time or another&#8230;.to being a &#8220;Pretender&#8221; Mormon?  And I don&#8217;t mean pretending to be Mormon.  I mean falling into the middle-class life of which Jackson Browne so eloquently (and slightly condescendingly) sings, after some youthful phase of idealism.  I know I have at times.  More importantly, have any of you found a way to successfully escape?  Or is the whole idea only a mirage?</p>
<p><em>(Click &#8220;Continue reading&#8221; below to read the lyrics while listening&#8230;my preferred method.) </em></p>
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<p>Anyway&#8230;.a moment of music-induced self-reflection for those willing to engage.  <img src='http://mormonmatters.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>I&#8217;m going to rent myself a house<br />
In the shade of the freeway<br />
I&#8217;m going to pack my lunch in the morning<br />
And go to work each day<br />
And when the evening rolls around<br />
I&#8217;ll go on home and lay my body down<br />
And when the morning light comes streaming in<br />
I&#8217;ll get up and do it again<br />
Amen<br />
Say it again<br />
Amen</p>
<p>I want to know what became of the changes<br />
We waited for love to bring<br />
Were they only the fitful dreams<br />
Of some greater awakening<br />
I&#8217;ve been aware of the time going by<br />
They say in the end it&#8217;s the wink of an eye<br />
And when the morning light comes streaming in<br />
You&#8217;ll get up and do it again<br />
Amen</p>
<p>Caught between the longing for love<br />
And the struggle for the legal tender<br />
Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring<br />
And the junk man pounds his fender<br />
Where the veterans dream of the fight<br />
Fast asleep at the traffic light<br />
And the children solemnly wait<br />
For the ice cream vendor<br />
Out into the cool of the evening<br />
Strolls the Pretender<br />
He knows that all his hopes and dreams<br />
Begin and end there</p>
<p>Ah the laughter of the lovers<br />
As they run through the night<br />
Leaving nothing for the others<br />
But to choose off and fight<br />
And tear at the world with all their might<br />
While the ships bearing their dreams<br />
Sail out of sight</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to find myself a girl<br />
Who can show me what laughter means<br />
And we&#8217;ll fill in the missing colors<br />
In each other&#8217;s paint-by-number dreams<br />
And then we&#8217;ll put out dark glasses on<br />
And we&#8217;ll make love until our strength is gone<br />
And when the morning light comes streaming in<br />
We&#8217;ll get up and do it again<br />
Get it up again</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to be a happy idiot<br />
And struggle for the legal tender<br />
Where the ads take aim and lay their claim<br />
To the heart and the soul of the spender<br />
And believe in whatever may lie<br />
In those things that money can buy<br />
Thought true love could have been a contender<br />
Are you there?<br />
Say a prayer for the Pretender<br />
Who started out so young and strong<br />
Only to surrender</p>
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		<title>Our Foundation Stories Part II: The Meaning of the First Vision</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Nilsson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that we&#8217;ve discussed the nature of the First Vision, what did it mean? There are many meanings, the most vital being those which each person can discover for herself or himself. Here are those we are most familiar with, because they have been written and spoken about at length in the official media of the institutional LDS Church: 1. The heavens are not closed. Revelation continues in our day. Closely related to this meaning is: 2. God loves his children. 3. The Father and the Son are physically separate. Closely related to this meaning is: 4. The Father and the Son are corporeal (have bodies). 5. All churches on the earth in 1820 are corrupt. Closely related to this meaning is 6. The Restoration has begun And/Or 7. Joseph Smith is a prophet. Meaning 1 is quite obvious from Joseph&#8217;s account, although a minority interpretation has insisted from the First Vision that the vision itself reopened the heavens, which had been closed since the apostasy. The vision provides no evidence for this view. Meaning 2 is not stated, but is an implied meaning deduced from 1 and fits with our other beliefs about God&#8217;s character. Meaning 3 is also [...]]]></description>
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<p align="center">Now that we&#8217;ve discussed <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/05/27/the-first-vision-or-the-first-visit/" target="_blank">the nature of the First Vision</a>, what did it mean?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">There are many meanings, the most vital being those which each person can discover for herself or himself.  Here are those we are most familiar with, because they have been written and spoken about at length in the official media of the institutional LDS  Church:<span id="more-491"></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">1.  The heavens are not closed. Revelation continues in our day.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Closely related to this meaning is:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">2. God loves his      children.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">3. The Father and the Son      are physically separate.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Closely related to this meaning is:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">4. The Father and the Son      are corporeal (have bodies).</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">5. All churches on the      earth in 1820 are corrupt.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Closely related to this meaning is</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">6. The Restoration has      begun</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">And/Or</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">7. Joseph Smith is a prophet.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Meaning 1 is quite obvious from Joseph&#8217;s account, although a minority interpretation has insisted from the First Vision that the vision itself reopened the heavens, which had been closed since the apostasy.  The vision provides no evidence for this view.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Meaning 2 is not stated, but is an implied meaning deduced from 1 and fits with our other beliefs about God&#8217;s character. Meaning 3 is also fairly obvious from Joseph&#8217;s account, at least his 1838 one.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Meaning 4 I cannot defend based on the accounts Joseph has left us.  I believe it is a back-reading from a section of the Doctrine and Covenants which is superimposed on our interpretations of the vision.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Meaning 5 is clear from the <a href="http://www.boap.org/LDS/History/HTMLHistory/v1c1history.html" target="_blank">accounts Joseph left</a>, especially the 1838 one.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Meanings 6 and 7 I cannot defend from the text, unless one takes Joseph&#8217;s statement that &#8220;many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time&#8221; refers to coming events like the Restoration and his role in it.  I cannot defend this interpretation based on subsequent events like Joseph&#8217;s account of his 1823 vision of Moroni, wherein Joseph is apparently given his first Restoration &#8220;task&#8221; with no inkling that he was praying for anything but forgiveness from his sins.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">There are other meanings which can be unpacked from Joseph&#8217;s accounts, especially when one integrates the earlier accounts with the version published in the Pearl of Great Price:</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">1.  Prophets sin and seek forgiveness.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Closely related to this meaning is:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">2. God forgives sins      readily.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">3. Spiritual experience      confirms conclusions we have already reached.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">4. Deity speaks in      language familiar to the listener (King James English).</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Meaning 1 is often trivialized in the LDS Church. The language of sin has fallen into disuse among us.  Prophets do not sin.  Instead, they have &#8220;frailties&#8221;, &#8220;weaknesses&#8221;, &#8220;shortcomings&#8221;, and make &#8220;mistakes.&#8221;  The First Vision reminds us that all humankind sins.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Meaning 2 is a comforting one.  Joseph&#8217;s sins are forgiven.  He is not told to do works of penance, unless one takes the Lord forbidding him to join any other churches as a punishment for sin.  If so, Joseph skirted this commandment, as he attended Methodist meetings in 1828!</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Meaning 3 is more interesting, because here Joseph contradicts himself in the various accounts.  In the 1832 account, he states that his conviction from reading the scriptures was that the true church could not be on the earth. The 1838 account ,on the other hand, makes it sound as if he believes that God just might tell him, for example, that the Universalists have it right, or that the Presbyterians are God&#8217;s church.  I tend to believe that Joseph at the very least, strongly suspected that God&#8217;s church was not on the earth. He uses the conditional, &#8220;if&#8221;, to describe the question which drove him into the grove.  <strong>If</strong> Christ&#8217;s church is on the earth, which one is it?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Meaning 4 is a comforting one to end on.  God will speak to us in language we understand.  If my primary reading matter, like Joseph&#8217;s, was the Elizabethan English of the King James Version of the Bible, and that is how I believe God speaks, God will speak to me that way.  Conversely, if my thought world is informed by 21st-century American English vernacular, seasoned by occasional scientific reading, and a love of music and nature, God may speak to me through those means.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">What meanings do you find in the First Vision story?</p>
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