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		<title>Mormon Therapist on Empty Nesting</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/02/mormon-therapist-on-empty-nesting/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Natasha Helfer Parker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of experience working with LDS members. Here she shares with us representative cases from her practice and insights she has gained from her work as a therapist.  She blogs at mormontherapist.blogspot.com. Is it common for one to feel resentful of the other spouse when empty-nesting?  All I see in my spouse now are all the wrongs I&#8217;ve ever felt.  I&#8217;m having a really hard time getting over it. The &#8220;empty nest&#8221; stage of family development can be both a challenging and rewarding time of life.  So much of what our lives consist of before hitting this stage revolves around creating a family, raising children, and trying to get them successfully launched.  Parenting is exhausting, exhilarating, rewarding, painful and incredibly time-consuming.  All parents make concessions as a couple to pull off this incredible feat.  There just isn&#8217;t the time and energy left for parents to function as a couple in the same way they did through their courting and pre-children years.  LDS couples face the added cultural and doctrinal pressure to marry early and not put off having children.  Their pre-children [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1185-e1275478108951.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-11186" title="nparker" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1185-e1275478108951.jpg" alt="" width="77" height="85" /></a>Natasha Helfer Parker is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family  Therapist and a member of the Church with 13 years of experience working  with LDS members. Here she shares with us representative cases from her  practice and insights she has gained from her work as a therapist.  She  blogs at <a href="http://mormontherapist.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">mormontherapist.blogspot.com</a>.</p>
<p><em>Is it common for one  to feel resentful of the other spouse when empty-nesting?  All I see in  my spouse now are all the wrongs I&#8217;ve ever felt.  I&#8217;m having a really  hard time getting over it.</em></p>
<div><span id="more-11387"></span>The  &#8220;empty nest&#8221; stage of family development can be both a challenging and  rewarding time of life.  So much of what our lives consist of before  hitting this stage revolves around creating a family, raising children,  and trying to get them successfully launched.  Parenting is  exhausting, exhilarating, rewarding, painful and incredibly time-consuming.  All parents make concessions as a couple to pull off this  incredible feat.  There just isn&#8217;t the time and energy left for parents  to function as a couple in the same way they did through their courting  and pre-children years.  LDS couples face the added cultural and doctrinal pressure to marry  early and not put off having children.  Their pre-children  relationship is relatively short.  They don&#8217;t have much experience  being alone in their relationship.  Because children take up so much of  our time and energy  it can be easy to ignore or deny marital  problems along the way.  Then as children leave, it is inevitable that  the focus turns back to the couplehood &#8211; with the resulting  negative or positive implications.  Many couples find this to be an  enjoyable time, when they can refocus on their sweetheart, enjoy more  time and activities together and explore new things that there  previously was no time for.  However, if there have been problems  brewing for the last 20 to 30 years, this can be an incredibly difficult  time when you are now facing them head on.  So, yes, it is normal to  face resentments and struggles during this stage of life- especially if  there are unresolved issues.  Divorce is not an uncommon occurrence at this particular stage.  Some have actually been waiting  intentionally for the children to leave in order to follow through with  a planned divorce. Here are some thoughts:</div>
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<li>Hopefully all along  the family cycle, a couple will make the time and effort to continue to  date and court one another.  This includes romance, flirting, outings,  and the ability to keep their sexual lives satisfying to both partners.</li>
<li>Whether you have done  this up until now or not, this should be a time to restart the courting  process.  It is an opportunity to start anew the romantic journey that  started long ago and rekindle those original feelings you more than  likely felt for one another. The added maturity you both now have and  the success of staying together for these many years, can make this  process of reconnecting a redefining time for both.</li>
<li>It is important to  remember that when there are unresolved issues, it is a natural human  tendency to stay focused and even fixated on the negatives of the  situation- to the point that a person in unable to see the positives  that are also part of the equation.  The best way to stop feeling  resentful is to be able to get validation for the reasons the  resentments exist.  Starting marital therapy can be a  highly beneficial way to process through the many successes and failures  a couple has been through by this time.  It is important to identify  the many strengths and resources you have developed together over the  years, as well as the things you feel you were never able to master.  If  there are past hurts or problems that have never been resolved, it is  important for a couple to face them together in a way that will increase  the honesty within the relationship, offer validation and hopefully end  in forgiveness and moving on to new possibilities.  This takes work and  effort but has worthwhile results.</li>
<li>Even though children  have left the home, the example you continue to provide as a married  couple continues to have far-reaching effects on your kids and their  upcoming relationships.  Understanding this can be part of the  motivation a couple needs to seek help.</li>
<li>It is also important  at this stage to focus on self.  With the added time available it can be  highly beneficial to develop hobbies, go back to school, begin or  revisit a career, develop new friendships, etc.  When we are  well-balanced as an individual, we have more energy, strength and  ability to function in a healthier fashion within the marriage.</li>
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<p>I hope you and your  spouse can find the energy and motivation to refocus on the very important relationship of your  marriage and couplehood.</p>
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		<title>Mormon Ancestor Worship</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do Mormons practice a form of ancestor worship?  What does it mean that we must be saved &#8220;with all our dead&#8221;? I started to think about this concept when I was in Sicily last September, where I visited the Capuchin catacombs.  Under the streets of Palermo, there are 8,000 deceased Sicilians dating from 1599 to 1920, mummified and displayed.  The original intent was for families to be able to come visit their revered dead and to pay homage to them.  Many of the dead are posed in such a way to be &#8220;looking&#8221; at the visitors, and as our guide pointed out, this was to be a warning to their offspring that the pleasures of this life are fleeting.  Or as my Italian Catholic friend pointed out, only a Catholic mother could find a way to guilt her kids from the grave. Ancestor worship is often misunderstood and may be more properly understood as &#8220;veneration&#8221; than worship.  In belief systems that include Ancestor Worship, ancestors are not viewed as diety, but practices center on becoming a better person through filial duty.  Here&#8217;s a quick run down of some cultures that openly practice some form of ancestor worship: China.  Ancestral veneration stems from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do Mormons practice a form of ancestor worship?  What does it mean that we must be saved &#8220;with all our dead&#8221;?<span id="more-485"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-09/capuchin-catacombs-2.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/01/10-most-fascinating-tombs-in-the-world/&amp;h=714&amp;w=500&amp;sz=90&amp;hl=en&amp;start=3&amp;tbnid=nRqBqwivHvwL4M:&amp;tbnh=140&amp;tbnw=98&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcapuchin%2Bcatacombs%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den"><img class="alignright" style="float: right; border: 1px solid;" src="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:nRqBqwivHvwL4M:http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-09/capuchin-catacombs-2.jpg" alt="" width="98" height="140" /></a>I started to think about this concept when I was in Sicily last September, where I visited the Capuchin catacombs.  Under the streets of Palermo, there are 8,000 deceased Sicilians dating from 1599 to 1920, mummified and displayed.  The original intent was for families to be able to come visit their revered dead and to pay homage to them.  Many of the dead are posed in such a way to be &#8220;looking&#8221; at the visitors, and as our guide pointed out, this was to be a warning to their offspring that the pleasures of this life are fleeting.  Or as my Italian Catholic friend pointed out, only a Catholic mother could find a way to guilt her kids from the grave.</p>
<p>Ancestor worship is often misunderstood and may be more properly understood as &#8220;veneration&#8221; than worship.  In belief systems that include Ancestor Worship, ancestors are not viewed as diety, but practices center on becoming a better person through filial duty.  Here&#8217;s a quick run down of some cultures that openly practice some form of ancestor worship:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong><span style="color: #800080;">China</span></strong>.  Ancestral veneration stems from the teachings of Confucius and Laozi rather than from religion.  It is considered one&#8217;s duty to revere ancestors for their role in one&#8217;s physical existence, the creation of the body.  Visiting graves and leaving offerings of food or other practical items (such as toothbrushes) for the deceased as well as communicating with ancestors are part of the practices.  The living sometimes also regard ancestors as &#8220;guardian angels&#8221; protecting their living progeny.</li>
<li><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Korea</span></strong>.  Similar to China, and includes annual veneration of the ancestor&#8217;s death.</li>
<li><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Vietnam</span></strong>.  Practically all Vietnamese, regardless of religious affiliation (Buddhist and Christian alike) have an ancestor altar in the home or business.  Focus is on filial duty, and there are annual banquets to commemorate the ancestor&#8217;s death date, including offerings.</li>
<li><strong><span style="color: #800080;">India</span></strong>.  Common in rural India.  Families remember deceased loved ones by offering them food first at meals during festivals and ceremonies, and floral tributes in the Ganges to those who have passed on.</li>
<li><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Europe</span></strong>.  All Saints Day (November 1) dates to the days of the Roman empire and was adopted by Catholicism.  Families light candles for their deceased ancestors in the cemeteries.</li>
<li><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Ireland</span></strong>.  During Samhain, food and light are left out for the deceased.</li>
<li><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Latin America</span></strong>.  A combination of Mesoamerican and European traditions resulted in Dia de los Muertos.  Altars, sugar skulls, pictures of the deceased, and flowers and candles are set up to revere ancestors.</li>
<li><strong><span style="color: #800080;">Africa</span></strong>.  Ancestor veneration is common, and ancestors are often believed to ascend to become minor deities, even among Christian and Islamic converts.</li>
</ul>
<p>Compared to other Christian religions, Mormons certainly go further down the path of Ancestor Worship than some:</p>
<ul>
<li>Redeeming the dead is one of the three missions of the church, including proxy work for deceased ancestors in the temples.</li>
<li>Family history and journal record keeping are expected to preserve a record for future generations.</li>
<li>The church is the foremost source for genealogical research.</li>
<li>An interpretation of D&amp;C 132 could be that exaltation is a communal activity, only possible in families, not an individual salvation as in other Christian sects.</li>
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<p>So, exactly what is the definition of ancestor worship and how do we stack up?  Ancestor worship includes the following <strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">beliefs</span></strong> about deceased family members:</p>
<ul>
<li>they have a continued existence <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>check</em>)</span></li>
<li>they take an interest in the affairs of the world <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>check</em>)</span></li>
<li>they possess the ability to influence the fortune of the living <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>hmmm</em>. . . )</span></li>
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<p>And further, the <strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">goals</span></strong> of ancestor worship (a.k.a. ancestor veneration) are:</p>
<ul>
<li>to ensure the ancestors&#8217; continued well-being <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>indubitably</em>)</span></li>
<li>to ensure the ancestors&#8217; positive disposition towards the living <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>sounds a little quid-pro-quo so maybe not</em>)</span></li>
<li>sometimes to ask for special favors or assistance <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>hmmmm</em> . . .)</span></li>
</ul>
<p>The <strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">social functions</span></strong> of ancestor worship are to promote:</p>
<ul>
<li>filial piety <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>turn the hearts of the children to the fathers</em>)</span></li>
<li>family loyalty <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>families can be together forever</em>)</span></li>
<li>continuity of the family lineage <span style="color: #0000ff;">(<em>save ourselves with all our dead</em>)</span></li>
</ul>
<p>So, our form of ancestor veneration hits all 3 points on the social scale, with 2 of 3 on the beliefs scale, and at least 1 of 3 on the goals scale.  We seem to be engaging in some form of ancestor worship.</p>
<p>What do you think?  Are Mormons more focused on ancestral veneration than other Christian faiths?  Is this a restoration of something lost from early Christianity (a la baptisms by proxy for the deceased)?  Are Mormons merely &#8220;social&#8221; ancestor venerators, bent on encouraging filial duty and family ties?  Or are we full-fledged ancestor worshippers, expecting and requiring full ongoing ancestor relationships and communal salvation?  Or do our ancestral homages fall outside these definitions?  Is the church becoming more or less focused on ancestral veneration over time?</p>
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		<title>God&#8217;s Hit List in the Book of Mormon</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most unseemly and disturbing images in the Book of Mormon is when Nephi is commanded to cut the head off of Laban who lies drunken at his feet.  So, what did Laban do to get on God&#8217;s hit list?  Did he deserve it?  Was it necessary?  And how did some of the other deserving baddies (such as Laman &#38; Lemuel) escape with their heads intact?  For the purpose of this post, I will set aside war-time or mass killings (sorry, but the arm cutting off incident is out) and only consider the individual killings in which God was specifically implicated in the text as an accomplice. Back to Laban.  This Book of Mormon story is often cited as an example of Nephi&#8217;s obedience.  It is also pretty disgusting.  After Nephi hacks off his head with his own sword, he takes the clothes off the headless body and puts them on so he can pretend to be Laban.  Yech.  Nephi hesitates.  He doesn&#8217;t ask if Laban deserves to die in his sins, like when Hamlet vacillates about killing his uncle.  He hesitates because he doesn&#8217;t want to get his hands dirty.  He doesn&#8217;t want to commit a sin. 10 And it came to pass [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most unseemly and disturbing images in the Book of Mormon is when Nephi is commanded to cut the head off of Laban who lies drunken at his feet.  So, what did Laban do to get on God&#8217;s hit list?  Did he deserve it?  Was it necessary?  And how did some of the other deserving baddies (such as Laman &amp; Lemuel) escape with their heads intact?  <span id="more-292"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://webpages.charter.net/micah/nephi.jpg" alt="" width="203" height="278" />For the purpose of this post, I will set aside war-time or mass killings (sorry, but the arm cutting off incident is out) and only consider the individual killings in which God was specifically implicated in the text as an accomplice.</p>
<p><em>Back to Laban</em>.  This Book of Mormon story is often cited as an example of Nephi&#8217;s obedience.  It is also pretty disgusting.  After Nephi hacks off his head with his own sword, he takes the clothes off the headless body and puts them on so he can pretend to be Laban.  Yech.  Nephi hesitates.  He doesn&#8217;t ask if Laban deserves to die in his sins, like when Hamlet vacillates about killing his uncle.  He hesitates because he doesn&#8217;t want to get his hands dirty.  He doesn&#8217;t want to commit a sin.</p>
<blockquote><p>10 And it came to pass that I was <sup>a</sup><a title="1 Sam. 15: 3 (3-33)." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/4/10a"><span style="color: #40639d;">constrained</span></a> by the Spirit that I should kill Laban; but I said in my heart: Never at any time have I shed the blood of man. And I shrunk and would that I might not slay him.</p>
<p id="1_ne/4/11" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">  11 And the Spirit said unto me again: Behold the <sup>a</sup><a title="Deut. 3: 3; 1 Sam. 17: 46 (41-49)." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/4/11a"><span style="color: #40639d;">Lord</span></a> hath <sup>b</sup><a title="1 Ne. 7: 11." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/4/11b"><span style="color: #40639d;">delivered</span></a> him into thy hands. Yea, and I also knew that he had sought to take away mine own life; yea, and he would not hearken unto the commandments of the Lord; and he also had <sup>c</sup><a title="1 Ne. 3: 26." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/4/11c"><span style="color: #40639d;">taken</span></a> away our property.</p>
<p id="1_ne/4/12" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">  12 And it came to pass that the Spirit said unto me again: Slay him, for the Lord hath delivered him into thy hands;</p>
<p id="1_ne/4/13" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">  13 Behold the Lord <sup>a</sup><a title="Num. 25: 17; Deut. 12: 29; Ps. 139: 19; 1 Ne. 17: 37 (33-38); D&amp;C 98: 32 (31-32)." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/4/13a"><span style="color: #40639d;">slayeth</span></a> the <sup>b</sup><a title="TG Justice; TG Punishment; TG Wickedness." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/4/13b"><span style="color: #40639d;">wicked</span></a> to bring forth his righteous purposes. It is <sup>c</sup><a title="Alma 30: 47; TG Life, Sanctity of." type="C" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/4/13c"><span style="color: #40639d;">better</span></a> that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in <sup>d</sup><a title="TG Unbelief, Unbelievers." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/4/13d"><span style="color: #40639d;">unbelief</span></a>.</p>
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<p>Does Laban deserve to die?  Not to blame the victim, but any decent defense attorney would point out that Laban was not a nice guy.  He wouldn&#8217;t give them the brass plates even for a very generous price; up to that point, he was merely being difficult.  After that, he lusted after their property and stole from them, and then he ordered his servants to kill them.  And he was a lush, lying drunken in the streets, so not even a polite, gentlemanly sort of person.  The Spirit&#8217;s rationale is basically &#8220;the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few,&#8221; in this case, Laban.</p>
<p>Was the murder justifiable homicide?  Would Nephi have been convicted for this murder?  I&#8217;m no legal expert, but I have watched a lot of Law &amp; Order, so I&#8217;m close.  Nephi could plead self-defense because Laban had ordered his servants to kill him and his brothers.  He could probably plead severe emotional disturbance after the beating he took from his brothers who didn&#8217;t want to go back and the difficulty of leaving their home to live in the desert.  He might even get that defense upgraded to PTSD (post-tramatic stress disorder).  Nephi would also have a solid case to plead insanity (he saw an angel in the cavity of the rock and heard a voice tell him to kill Laban).  And he was really just doing what God (or the Spirit) told him to do, so he could have rolled on God (or the Spirit) in a plea bargaining agreement.  And no jury is going to convict God (they might convict the Spirit, but just try putting Him in a holding cell), even on Law &amp; Order.</p>
<p>So, Laban was on God&#8217;s hit list because he was wicked, and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and got in the way of God&#8217;s plan.  So he had to go.  But, didn&#8217;t a nation dwindle and perish in unbelief anyway?  The Lamanites weren&#8217;t exactly church-going, law abiding citizens for the next few hundred years.  So shouldn&#8217;t Laman and Lemuel have been on God&#8217;s hit list to prevent their future generations from dwindling and perishing in unbelief due to their poor examples?</p>
<p>I see a few problems with killing off Laman &amp; Lemuel:</p>
<ul>
<li>While many of their kids were bad, many were good.  In fact, they kind of came out on top at the end.  Although not all benefited from the plates of brass, some did.</li>
<li>The spirit progeny of prematurely dead Laman &amp; Lemuel would presumably still have to be born somewhere, some other time.</li>
<li>Can you really totally blame the parents?  Don&#8217;t we believe that men will be punished for our own sins, and not for Adam&#8217;s transgression?</li>
<li>God didn&#8217;t order the hit; therefore, it&#8217;s not okay to kill.  The rule is don&#8217;t kill.  Except when God says.  Then, go for it.</li>
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<p><img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/IMAGES/burn-ind.gif" alt="" width="116" height="107" />Contrast this with another group of people in the Book of Mormon who were on God&#8217;s hit list:  the faithful who were being martyred in the <em>auto-da-fe</em> after being converted to Christianity by Alma and Amulek.  Amulek wanted to stretch forth his hand to stop the killing</p>
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<p id="alma/14/10" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">11 But <span class="searchword"><strong>Alma</strong></span> said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in <sup>a</sup><a title="TG Exaltation." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/14/11a"><span style="color: #40639d;">glory</span></a>; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the <sup>b</sup><a title="Ex. 23: 7; Ps. 37: 9 (8-13); Alma 60: 13; D&amp;C 103: 3; TG Justice." type="C" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/14/11b"><span style="color: #40639d;">judgments</span></a> which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the <sup>c</sup><a title="TG Cruelty; TG Martyrdom." type="B" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/14/11c"><span style="color: #40639d;">blood</span></a> of the <sup>d</sup><a title="Lam. 4: 13; Mosiah 17: 10." type="A" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/14/11d"><span style="color: #40639d;">innocent</span></a> shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.</p>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Admittedly, there are some differences to these two incidents:</p>
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<li>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Nephi takes action, whereas Alma is constrained to non-interference.  He does not actively kill anyone.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Laban was guilty of attempted murder and died in his sins.  The victims in Alma&#8217;s story were completely innocent and would theoretically have salvation.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Laban was standing in the way of other people&#8217;s salvation (or so we are told).  The victims in Alma&#8217;s story were killed to provide damnation to their killers.  Weren&#8217;t they pretty much damned already?  Alma wanted to stop the killing, not prevent it from starting. </p>
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<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">So, who is safe from God&#8217;s hit list in the Book of Mormon?  Not the wicked, and not the innocent and righteous.  So, perhaps the real lessons here are:</p>
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<li>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">When and how we die isn&#8217;t that important to God, just how we live our lives.  No one is totally safe from being killed in nasty ways.  Think of <em>that</em> as you are drifting off to sleep tonight.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">God merely cares that His plan goes forward unchecked, so interfering with His plan could lead to an unfortunate incident involving one&#8217;s death.  I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;.</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)"> So, will God cut Laban some slack on judgment day for being killed at his peak of wickedness since the order came down from on high?  And would the world have been a better place without Laman and Lemuel making it to the promised land?</p>
<p onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">And how does this compare with God&#8217;s hit list in the OT?  (No one is on God&#8217;s hit list in NT or D&amp;C&#8211;and in the D&amp;C, a few are pretty darn lucky they are not!)  The weirdest individual killing in the OT, IMO, is Uzzah being killed for steadying the ark.  It would be hard to argue that Uzzah was in the way of God&#8217;s plan.  So, does that mean that individual killings in the OT (implicating God) are to make an example out of someone or to teach an object lesson (e.g. &#8220;don&#8217;t steady the ark&#8221;)?  Or is that just the best we can do with such weird material when confronted with teaching a Gospel Doctrine lesson?  Or, perhaps the ark had some sort of technological security system that made it fatal to steady vs. God actually having to intervene in real-time to strike Uzzah down (a la the Smoke Monster on LOST).</p>
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