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		<title>39: Intellectuals and the Mormon Tradition</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In early June, the Deseret News published a list compiled by Leonard J. Arrington in 1969 of the &#8220;most eminent intellectuals in Mormon history.&#8221; As you can imagine, the feature generated a lot of discussion both on the newspaper’s website, as well as in many corners of the Mormon bloggernacle. Who among those listed still belong in the Top Ten? Who should be on there now? Why aren’t any women listed, and which women should have made that list then or if a new list were compiled today? &#60;br /&#62; In this Mormon Matters episode, host Dan Wotherspoon and panelists Joanna Brooks, Kristine Haglund, and Boyd Petersen discuss this list and various issues it raises, but then launch into a both serious and fun examination of the oftentimes uncomfortable relationship that Mormonism has had with its intellectuals. Among the topics they hash out are what makes someone an intellectual, why being &#8220;learned&#8221; is often seen with suspicion and denounced by certain church leaders and members, what positive roles do intellectuals play within the LDS tradition, and what advice might the panelists give to those with an intellectual temperament who find themselves struggling for a comfortable home within Mormonism? It’s a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In early June, the Deseret News <a title="Mormon Intellectuals list" href="http://www.deseretnews.com/top/168/Top-10-LDS-6Intellectuals7.html">published a list</a> comp<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/textbook-bible.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-13205" title="textbook-bible" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/textbook-bible.jpg" alt="" width="305" height="228" /></a>iled by Leonard J. Arrington in 1969 of the &#8220;most eminent intellectuals in Mormon history.&#8221; As you can imagine, the feature generated a lot of discussion both on the newspaper’s website, as well as in many corners of the Mormon bloggernacle. Who among those listed still belong in the Top Ten? Who should be on there now? Why aren’t any women listed, and which women should have made that list then or if a new list were compiled today? &lt;br /&gt;</p>
<p>In this Mormon Matters episode, host <strong>Dan Wotherspoon</strong> and panelists <strong>Joanna Brooks</strong>, <strong>Kristine Haglund</strong>, and <strong>Boyd Petersen</strong> discuss this list and various issues it raises, but then launch into a both serious and fun examination of the oftentimes uncomfortable relationship that Mormonism has had with its intellectuals. Among the topics they hash out are what makes someone an intellectual, why being &#8220;learned&#8221; is often seen with suspicion and denounced by certain church leaders and members, what positive roles do intellectuals play within the LDS tradition, and what advice might the panelists give to those with an intellectual temperament who find themselves struggling for a comfortable home within Mormonism? It’s a great discussion that raises issues faced by many of this podcast’s listeners. We hope you’ll listen and then join in the discussion below!</p>
<p>Additional reading listeners might enjoy:</p>
<p>Leonard J. Arrington&#8217;s 1969 article, <a href="https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V04N01_15.pdf">&#8220;The Intellectual Tradition of the Latter-day Saints,&#8221;</a> in which the list first appeared</p>
<p><a href="https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V26N03_197.pdf">Follow-up article</a> in 1993 by Stan Larson in which he reports on the results of a new survey</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ldswave.org/?p=870">Blog thread at LDSWave</a> discussing eminent women intellectuals</p>
<p><a href="https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/076-07-10.pdf">Armand L. Mauss essay</a> with ideas for successfully navigating a fulfilling and engaged life within Mormonism as an &#8220;alternate voice&#8221; (with his suggestions just as easily a fit for &#8220;intellectuals&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>35–36: Moving Beyond the &#8220;Negro Doctrine&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 02:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wotherspoon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[﻿﻿This month marks the thirty-third anniversary of the 1978 revelation extending the priesthood to “all worthy males” in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Since that day, little has been said by Church leaders on any topic related to the ban, including the reasons for the ban, the doctrinal justifications for the ban, and the process by which the ban came into existence in the first place. Even without such clarifications, the Church has nevertheless successfully grown in Africa and in U.S. inner cities with large African-American communities. Mormon Matters is very pleased this week to for the chance to mark this anniversary by hosting a dynamic discussion of this ban and the revelation that ended it between four black Latter-day Saints. Guest host, Dustin Jones (who will be familiar to many listeners who have heard his Mormon Stories podcast telling of his own experiences growing up black in the Church) recently convened a panel consisting of himself and three fellow seasoned and opinionated black Mormons—Keith N. Hamilton, Darron Smith, and Marguerite Driessen—who, like him, have spent the last three decades learning about and attempting to understand the LDS Church’s “negro doctrine.” Collectively the group is made up [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>﻿﻿This month marks the thirty-third anniversary of the 1978 revel<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/BlacksGetPriesthood.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-13168" title="BlacksGetPriesthood" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/BlacksGetPriesthood.jpg" alt="" width="250" height="334" /></a>ation extending the priesthood to “all worthy males” in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Since that day, little has been said by Church leaders on any topic related to the ban, including the reasons for the ban, the doctrinal justifications for the ban, and the process by which the ban came into existence in the first place. Even without such clarifications, the Church has nevertheless successfully grown in Africa and in U.S. inner cities with large African-American communities.</p>
<p>Mormon Matters is very pleased this week to for the chance to mark this anniversary by hosting a dynamic discussion of this ban and the revelation that ended it between four black Latter-day Saints. Guest host, <strong>Dustin Jones</strong> (who will be familiar to many listeners who have heard his Mormon Stories podcast telling of his own experiences growing up black in the Church) recently convened a panel consisting of himself and three fellow seasoned and opinionated black Mormons—<strong>Keith N. Hamilton</strong>, <strong>Darron Smith</strong>, and <strong>Marguerite Driessen</strong>—who, like him, have spent the last three decades learning about and attempting to understand the LDS Church’s “negro doctrine.” Collectively the group is made up of three outspoken lawyers, one unabashed sociology Ph.D., three high priests, two former bishopric counselors, three former stake high councilors, two current BYU adjunct law professors, one former BYU professor, and a Relief Society president.</p>
<p>We at Mormon Matters are honored by this opportunity to “listen in” on their <em>spirited</em> (both in its “faith” connotation as well as hinting at their lively differences of opinion!) discussion of their individual interpretations of Official Declaration 2; statements made by Brigham Young and Bruce R. McConkie, Gordon B. Hinckley’s 2006 talk about “racial slurs,” the process by which the Brethren received the revelation, and what they see as the best way to move beyond the Church’s troubled history on this matter. For each panelist, dealing with this history is ultimately a matter of faith, however, as this discussion shows very well, the swing of the pendulum between faith and fact is an interesting dynamic that all black Mormon must balance for themselves.</p>
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		<itunes:summary>﻿﻿This month marks the thirty-third anniversary of the 1978 revelation extending the priesthood to “all worthy males” in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Since that day, little has been said by Church leaders on any topic related to the ban, including the reasons for the ban, the doctrinal justifications for the ban, and the process by which the ban came into existence in the first place. Even without such clarifications, the Church has nevertheless successfully grown in Africa and in U.S. inner cities with large African-American communities.
Mormon Matters is very pleased this week to for the chance to mark this anniversary by hosting a dynamic discussion of this ban and the revelation that ended it between four black Latter-day Saints. Guest host, Dustin Jones (who will be familiar to many listeners who have heard his Mormon Stories podcast telling of his own experiences growing up black in the Church) recently convened a panel consisting of himself and three fellow seasoned and opinionated black Mormons—Keith N. Hamilton, Darron Smith, and Marguerite Driessen—who, like him, have spent the last three decades learning about and attempting to understand the LDS Church’s “negro doctrine.” Collectively the group is made up of three outspoken lawyers, one unabashed sociology Ph.D., three high priests, two former bishopric counselors, three former stake high councilors, two current BYU adjunct law professors, one former BYU professor, and a Relief Society president.
We at Mormon Matters are honored by this opportunity to “listen in” on their spirited (both in its “faith” connotation as well as hinting at their lively differences of opinion!) discussion of their individual interpretations of Official Declaration 2; statements made by Brigham Young and Bruce R. McConkie, Gordon B. Hinckley’s 2006 talk about “racial slurs,” the process by which the Brethren received the revelation, and what they see as the best way to move beyond the Church’s troubled history on this matter. For each panelist, dealing with this history is ultimately a matter of faith, however, as this discussion shows very well, the swing of the pendulum between faith and fact is an interesting dynamic that all black Mormon must balance for themselves.</itunes:summary>
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		<title>27: Mormons and Their Leaders</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wotherspoon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This episode, which was recorded a couple of days after the close of the April 2011 General Conference, explores the interplay between Latter-day Saints and those who are called to lead them as prophets, seers, and revelators. Why do some church members want to elevate leaders&#8217; words delivered at conference almost to the level of scripture? Why is there so much adoration of leaders even as they regularly acknowledge their own humanity and fallibility, and even speak of the adulation they receive as one of their biggest challenges? To whom do church leaders aim their words, and why? How much do audience expectations shape what leaders say and do? Are there ways to view leaders respectfully while also respectfully disagreeing with their positions? Please join Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon and panelists Joanna Brooks, Heather Olson-Beal, and Charles Randall Paul for a free-flowing and insightful discussion about these and other aspects of the relationship between church members and those who lead them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Uchtdorf-greets2.jpg"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-13091" title="Uchtdorf greets" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Uchtdorf-greets2-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="204" height="204" /></a>This episode, which was recorded a couple of days after the close of the April 2011 General Conference, explores the interplay between Latter-day Saints and those who are called to lead them as prophets, seers, and revelators. Why do some church members want to elevate leaders&#8217; words delivered at conference almost to the level of scripture? Why is there so much adoration of leaders even as they regularly acknowledge their own humanity and fallibility, and even speak of the adulation they receive as one of their biggest challenges? To whom do church leaders aim their words, and why? How much do audience expectations shape what leaders say and do? Are there ways to view leaders respectfully while also respectfully disagreeing with their positions?</p>
<p>Please join Mormon Matters host <strong>Dan Wotherspoon</strong> and panelists <strong>Joanna Brooks</strong>, <strong>Heather Olson-Beal</strong>, and <strong>Charles Randall Paul</strong> for a free-flowing and insightful discussion about these and other aspects of the relationship between church members and those who lead them.</p>
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		<title>Spiritual Guidance:  A GC Talk Review</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to try a new feature &#8211; going through some of the previous GC talks to discuss some of the ideas put forth.  I decided to start with E. Scott&#8217;s talk from the Oct 2009 GC session:  To Acquire Spiritual Guidance.  This was a talk I enjoyed when it was first given, although the last 3rd got a little repetitious on the whole porn thing (Did you notice that porn has now gone mainstream?  New motto:  Porn, it&#8217;s not just for Priesthood session anymore.) Here&#8217;s the talk in a nutshell: Why we need the spirit. &#8220;Throughout the ages, many have obtained guidance helpful to resolve challenges in their lives by following the example of respected individuals who resolved similar problems. Today, world conditions change so rapidly that such a course of action is often not available to us.&#8221;  I think E. Scott just admitted that old folks haven&#8217;t necessarily &#8220;been there, done that.&#8221;  It&#8217;s kind of a radical thing for an octogenarian to say.  Frankly, I&#8217;m not sure all 80-somethings would admit that.  Kudos, E. Scott! &#8220;Personally, I rejoice in that reality because it creates a condition where we, of necessity, are more dependent upon the Spirit to guide us [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to try a new feature &#8211; going through some of the previous GC talks to discuss some of the ideas put forth.  I decided to start with E. Scott&#8217;s talk from the Oct 2009 GC session:  <a href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-1117-2,00.html">To Acquire Spiritual Guidance</a>.  This was a talk I enjoyed when it was first given, although the last 3rd got a little repetitious on the whole porn thing (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>Did you notice that porn has now gone mainstream?  New motto:  Porn, it&#8217;s not just for Priesthood session anymore.</em></span>)<span id="more-11870"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://mormonsoprano.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/scott_richard-g.jpg" alt="" width="167" height="176" />Here&#8217;s the talk in a nutshell:</p>
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<li><strong>Why we need the spirit</strong>.
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<li>&#8220;Throughout the ages, many have obtained guidance helpful to resolve challenges in their lives by following the example of respected individuals who resolved similar problems. Today, world conditions change so rapidly that such a course of action is often not available to us.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>I think E. Scott just admitted that old folks haven&#8217;t necessarily &#8220;been there, done that.&#8221;  It&#8217;s kind of a radical thing for an octogenarian to say.  Frankly, I&#8217;m not sure all 80-somethings would admit that.  Kudos, E. Scott!</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;Personally, I rejoice in that reality because it creates a condition where we, of necessity, are more dependent upon the Spirit to guide us through the vicissitudes of life. Therefore, we are led to seek personal inspiration in life’s important decisions.&#8221;  </span><em>So, he&#8217;s saying we shouldn&#8217;t do things just because of tradition or what others who are older tell us to do, but we should find out for ourselves the best course.  Personal accountability&#8211;one, blind obedience to authority&#8211;zero!</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;Spirituality yields two fruits. The first is inspiration to know what to do. The second is power, or the capacity to do it. These two capacities come together.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>Features &amp; benefits of the Spirit.</em></span></span></li>
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<li><strong>How to get the Spirit.</strong>
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<li>&#8220;I am convinced that there is no simple formula or technique that would immediately allow you to master the ability to be guided by the voice of the Spirit.&#8221;  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Decrying a formulaic approach to spirituality.  Down with checklists!  Spirituality is personal and subjective.</span></em></li>
<li>&#8220;Our Father expects you to learn how to obtain that divine help by exercising faith in Him and His Holy Son, Jesus Christ. Were you to receive inspired guidance just for the asking, you would become weak and ever more dependent on Them. They know that essential personal growth will come as you struggle to learn how to be led by the Spirit.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>I love the notion that we are supposed to live up to our potential, not just let others make decisions for us.</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;Your confidence in the direction you receive from the Holy Ghost will also become stronger. I witness that as you gain experience and success in being guided by the Spirit, your confidence in the impressions you feel can become more certain than your dependence on what you see or hear.&#8221;  </span><em>There&#8217;s a little bit of implied confirmation bias here, but by the same token, it&#8217;s how we develop decision-making ability and intuition:  through experience.  We learn what works and what doesn&#8217;t.</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">E. Scott shares 2 contrasting teacher styles and how each resulted in inspiration for him.  While the contrasting examples seem designed to reinforce the correlation committee&#8217;s guidelines (the first teacher stuck to the materials and the second one used archane and unusual references), both lessons resulted in personal spiritual guidance for E. Scott.  Of the second experience, E. Scott shared:  &#8220;I received such an outpouring of impressions that were so personal that I felt it was not appropriate to record them in the midst of a Sunday School class. I sought a more private location, where I continued to write the feelings that flooded into my mind and heart as faithfully as possible.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>I&#8217;m pretty sure he just admitted to ditching Sunday School to write in his journal.</em></span></span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;Impressions of the Spirit can come in response to urgent prayer or unsolicited when needed.&#8221;</span>  <em>I think it&#8217;s hard to chalk it up to the Spirit when it could be confirmation bias &#8211; unsolicited one-off ideas are more easily attributable to the Spirit, IMO.</em></span></span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;However, the Lord will not force you to learn. You must exercise your agency to authorize the Spirit to teach you. As you make this a practice in your life, you will be more perceptive to the feelings that come with spiritual guidance. Then, when that guidance comes, sometimes when you least expect it, you will recognize it more easily.&#8221;  </span><em>Part of this does strike me as confirmation bias; however, I have experienced an unexpected idea to do something that if I followed it worked out, and sometime I have not and it didn&#8217;t work out.  To me, that&#8217;s the spirit.</em></span></span></span></li>
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<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;"> </span></span><strong>What prevents us from getting the Spirit</strong>.
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<li>&#8220;The inspiring influence of the Holy Spirit can be overcome or masked by strong emotions, such as anger, hate, passion, fear, or pride. When such influences are present, it is like trying to savor the delicate flavor of a grape while eating a jalapeño pepper. Both flavors are present, but one completely overpowers the other. In like manner, strong emotions overcome the delicate promptings of the Holy Spirit.&#8221; <em><span style="color: #0000ff;"> I like the analogy.  The idea sounds true enough.</span></em></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;Sin is spiritually corrosive. Unrestrained it becomes all-consuming. It is overcome by repentance and righteousness.  Satan is extremely good at blocking spiritual communication by inducing individuals, through temptation, to violate the laws upon which spiritual communication is founded.&#8221;  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, sin is bad then . . . right?</span></em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;With some, he is able to convince them that they are not able to receive such guidance from the Lord.&#8221;  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>I think this is a real issue for people.  I think many have these high-falutin notions of what constitutes &#8220;the Spirit&#8221; and anything short of meeting JC on the road to Damascus isn&#8217;t cutting it.  I think that&#8217;s a misunderstanding.  If you re-read E. Scott&#8217;s talk and substitute the word &#8220;instinct&#8221; or &#8220;inspiration&#8221; for &#8220;the Spirit,&#8221; you can get a real sense for how commonplace these experiences are.</em></span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;Satan has become a master at using the addictive power of pornography to limit individual capacity to be led by the Spirit.&#8221; </span><em> Let&#8217;s not make this a porn post, shall we?  But the rest of the talk is basically about how porn makes it impossible to recognize the Spirit.  Personally, I&#8217;m no fan of porn, and I think the point is valid.  Porn&#8217;s blocking of spiritual guidance is not the worst of its influence in society.  On the subject, E. Scott waxes eloquent.  Anyway, &#8217;nuff said on porn.  Moving on.  Nothing to see here.</em></span></li>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;"><img class="alignright" src="http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/hsc4616l.jpg" alt="" width="209" height="153" />Here are some points I think worth discussing from the talk:</span></span></p>
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<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">Does this jive with your experience feeling the Spirit or inspiration or whatever you kids are calling it these days?</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">Do you like the idea that you can be equally inspired in a lesson regardless the instructor?  I found these examples fascinating; although ostensibly the &#8220;not as good&#8221; instructor was &#8220;out of policy,&#8221; it had no adverse impact on the spiritual guidance received.  Doesn&#8217;t that mean that maybe we can quit wringing our hands over this?  Does that make church a BYOS (Bring Your Own Spirit) institution?  I say yes.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">Have you ever felt the Spirit when in the throes of strong emotion?  If so, let&#8217;s have the deets!</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">Overall, did you like the talk or not?  I am of the opinion that not all talks are for all people.  This one was one I happened to like, but that doesn&#8217;t mean everyone should.</span></span></li>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">Discuss.</span></span></p>
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		<title>Understanding the Atonement</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The atonement is to Christianity what enlightenment is to Buddhism:  the foundational concept.  How do you feel about the atonement?  I admit to some mixed feelings on the concept of atonement. I said mixed feelings.  Let me start with what I like: I like the idea of Jesus as a lawyer for humanity.  Having a defense attorney, someone totally in your court who will fight for your cause is enormously appealing to me. I like the symbolism of the atonement:  olive press (Gethsemane), the name &#8220;at one&#8221; ment, the mingling of the divine and the human. I like the idea of Bodhisattva, a voluntary sacrifice for others.  But I like it more as one who might sacrifice than as one who would be the recipient of the sacrifice.  Similarly, I&#8217;m somewhat uncomfortable receiving gifts.  Although I&#8217;m not that comfortable giving them either.  So there you go. What I have generally not loved about the concept of &#8220;atonement&#8221;: that it creates a religion of losers, appealing to the down-and-outers. Dennis Miller once observed that the prison inmates always seem to find Jesus when no one else down here will talk to them anymore. that it is a contrasting idea to theosis (the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The atonement is to Christianity what enlightenment is to Buddhism:  the foundational concept.  How do you feel about the atonement?  I admit to some mixed feelings on the concept of atonement.<span id="more-11865"></span><br />
<strong><img class="alignright" src="http://www.mythfolklore.net/bibgreek/images/gallery/ant_pastor.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="208" /></strong>I said mixed feelings.  Let me start with what I like:</p>
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<li>I like the idea of Jesus as a lawyer for humanity.  Having a defense attorney, someone totally in your court who will fight for your cause is enormously appealing to me.</li>
<li>I like the symbolism of the atonement:  olive press (Gethsemane), the name &#8220;at one&#8221; ment, the mingling of the divine and the human.</li>
<li>I like the idea of Bodhisattva, a voluntary sacrifice for others.  But I like it more as one who might sacrifice than as one who would be the recipient of the sacrifice.  Similarly, I&#8217;m somewhat uncomfortable receiving gifts.  Although I&#8217;m not that comfortable giving them either.  So there you go.</li>
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<p>What I have generally not loved about the concept of &#8220;atonement&#8221;:</p>
<ul>
<li>that it creates a religion of losers, appealing to the down-and-outers. Dennis Miller once observed that the prison inmates always seem to find Jesus when no one else down here will talk to them anymore.</li>
<li>that it is a contrasting idea to theosis (the seeds of divinity within man), a concept which I find inherently more appealing. I&#8217;d rather focus on strengths &amp; potential than weakness and shortcomings.  I&#8217;m just a cock-eyed optimist!  I do find sadness somewhat off-putting.</li>
<li>the idea of justice and mercy that is represented feels man-made and not like something that God would be bound to follow. I don&#8217;t like the legalistic metaphors often used to explain the atonement.</li>
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<p><img class="alignright" src="http://3lotus.com/images/Misc/JesusOnCross.jpg" alt="" width="148" height="194" />Here are a few of the ways the atonement has been viewed over the centuries, each with a unique insight:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Ransom Theory</strong>.  In this metaphor from the 4<sup>th</sup> century, Jesus liberates mankind from slavery to Satan and thus death by giving his own life as a ransom. Victory over Satan consists of swapping the life of the perfect (Jesus), for the lives of the imperfect (mankind).  A variation of this view is known as the &#8220;<a title="Christus Victor" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christus_Victor">Christus Victor</a>&#8221; theory, in which Jesus defeats Satan in a spiritual battle and frees the enslaved humans from their captor.  (like an action movie with hostages being rescued).  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">This one sounds kind of cool in a Die Hard sort of way, but it also doesn&#8217;t ring quite true for me.  A variation of this I heard on my mission was someone buying a cage full of dirty, diseased birds with lousy attitudes.  Not my favorite perspective on humanity.</span></em></li>
<li><strong>Penal Substitution</strong>.  Another metaphor, from the 11<sup>th</sup> century, is that man is in debt to a sovereign God who has the power to forgive debt, but also has to uphold the laws. In this metaphor, only a perfect sacrifice could satisfy the demands of the transgressed laws, and Jesus, being both God and man, was this perfect sacrifice.  A slight variation of this is the Protestant &#8220;<a title="Penal substitution" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_substitution">penal substitution</a> theory,&#8221; which sees sin as the breaking of God’s moral law, and Jesus takes the punishment in the sinner’s stead.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">This is probably the most common metaphor used for the atonement, but it is very legalistic and leaves me cold.  I think we let the metaphor become the thing it symbolizes in this one.  I suspect the atonement is not entirely encompassed by this view.</span></em></li>
<li><strong>Moral Influence</strong>.  A third metaphor from the 11<sup>th</sup> century, and speaks to the power of the image of a suffering Christ who sacrifices himself out of love for man, and mankind, moved by the extent of God’s love is transformed and healed by the power of the Holy Spirit.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">I appreciated this one because I think we LDS tend to look at the crucifixion images in Catholic churches as ghoulish and morbid, but this metaphor explains their appeal to millions of worshippers in a whole new light for me.</span></em></li>
<li><strong>Theosis Metaphor</strong>.  Eastern Orthodoxy views the atonement as not a legal release, but a transformation of the human nature itself in the Son taking on human nature. The Orthodox emphasis is that Christ died to change people so that they may become more like God.  <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>This is one I find very appealing, although it&#8217;s not one I ever recall hearing at church.  It lines up nicely with our idea that we are sons &amp; heirs of God, with the seeds of godhood within us.</em></span></li>
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<p><img class="alignright" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_U9zaNeZR1Dc/SVF72WL40lI/AAAAAAAAACQ/aitOmI8oKho/s400/Jesus+Praying+in+Gethsemane.jpg" alt="" width="162" height="245" />As members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we expand on these metaphors by recognizing and emphasizing some additional components to the atonement:</p>
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<li><strong>Christ’s suffering in Gethsemane</strong><em>.</em> Modern day revelation in the Doctrine and Covenants adds emphasis to the role of Gethsemane in the atonement process: &#8220;&#8230;how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not&#8230;. Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit&#8230;&#8221;  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">I like the focus in LDS theology on the sacrifice being <strong>deliberate</strong> on Jesus&#8217; part, that he chose to do this of his own free will despite how hard it was.  I like the emphasis on free choice, not so much on the difficulty which feels like a major guilt trip (I suppose because it IS).</span></em>
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<li>The name Gethsemane literally means oil press.  In Gethsemane, Jesus as the Son of God is pressed as the olives were.  Oil was and is used for all sorts of purposes: to perform priesthood ordinances, to anoint the body, and to heal the sick and restore them to health.  Metaphorically, Jesus is the ultimate healing and anointing oil.</li>
<li>In a talk on the Symbols of the Atonement in 1991, E. Russell Nelson said:  “Olive trees are special in the Holy Land. The olive branch is universally regarded as a symbol of peace. This tree provides food, light, heat, lumber, ointments, and medicine. It is now, as it was then, crucial to life in Israel. It is not a deciduous tree, but ever bearing—always green. Even if the tree is chopped down, life will spring from its roots, suggesting everlasting life.  Jesus came to the base of the Mount of Olives to affect the first component of the Atonement. This He did at the Garden of Gethsemane. The word <em>Gethsemane</em> comes from two Hebrew roots: <em>gath</em><em>,</em> meaning “press,” and <em>shemen,</em> meaning “oil,” especially that of the olive.  There olives had been pressed under the weight of great stone wheels to squeeze precious oil from them. So the Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane was literally pressed under the weight of the sins of the world. He sweat great drops of blood—his life’s “oil”—which issued from every pore.  Jesus was accorded titles of unique significance. One was the <em>Messiah,</em> which in Hebrew means “anointed.” The other was the <em>Christ,</em> which in the Greek language means “anointed” as well. In our day, as it was in His day, the ordinance of administration to the sick includes anointing with the consecrated oil of the olive. So the next time you witness consecrated oil being anointed on the head of one to be blessed, and these sacred words are said, “I anoint you with this consecrated oil,” remember what that original consecration cost. Remember what it meant to all who had ever lived and who ever would yet live. Remember the redemptive power of healing, soothing, and ministering to those in need. Remember, just as the body of the olive, which was pressed for the oil that gave light, so the Savior was pressed. From every pore oozed the life blood of our Redeemer. And when sore trials come upon you, remember Gethsemane.”</li>
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<li><strong>Empathetic purpose</strong><em>.</em> Christ did not only suffer for the sins of all men, but also to experience their physical pains, illnesses, anguish from addictions, emotional turmoil and depression, &#8220;that His bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities&#8221; (Alma 7:12; compare <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Isaiah%2053:4;&amp;version=ESV;">Isaiah 53:4</a>).  This empathy allows Jesus to be a more effective advocate and personal friend to us.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">This sounds remarkable similar to the one about the image of the suffering Christ creating empathy in humanity (the reverse of this).  But I think when you put them both together, it adds some interest to the perspective.</span></em></li>
<li><strong>The relationship between justice, mercy, agency, and God&#8217;s unconditional love</strong><em>.</em> We focus on the need for free agency.  Just as Jesus had the ability to choose to lay down his life, if we are truly penitent we will voluntarily come unto him to receive his grace.  We do this through the process of repentance. <span style="color: #0000ff;"><em> I do find this idea useful &#8211; the focus on our personal choice.</em></span></li>
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<p>I liked the idea that there are many different ways to interpret the atonement, and some of these are more appealing to me than others. How about you?  Were any of these helpful?  How do you feel about the atonement?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Faith, Knowledge, Belief, and Stochastic Theory Part 4: Finding Truth &#8211; An Optimization Problem</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In part two of this series I discussed Bayesian inference. Specifically, I discussed how Bayesian inference provided us with a mechanism for deciding in what we should place our confidence given all the information we possess and will yet obtain. This was all framed in the context of confidence. I&#8217;d like to discuss an alternative way of looking at Bayesian inference &#8211; namely optimization. Optimization Optimization largely rules our world. Virtually all of management, engineering, politics, and much of science is about optimization. Optimization, in this sense, is the process of determining the optimal solution given all the objectives and constraints. In management, the process may not be that formal. Perhaps there is a board of directors who gather around a table to discuss the optimal set of policies, the direction to go, etc. In politics it is likely similar. The President of the U.S. surrounds himself with experts on a particular topic, they then engage in discussion, and hope to land on the optimal answer given the objectives and constraints. For engineers the process is much more formal and precise. Usually optimization takes the form of a cost function &#8211; a function incorporating, mathematically, all the objectives and constraints. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/18/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-2-inductive-reasoning/">part two</a> of this series I discussed Bayesian inference.  Specifically, I discussed how Bayesian inference provided us with a mechanism for deciding in what we should place our confidence given all the information we possess and will yet obtain.  This was all framed in the context of confidence.  I&#8217;d like to discuss an alternative way of looking at Bayesian inference &#8211; namely optimization.<span id="more-11861"></span></p>
<h4>Optimization</h4>
<p>Optimization largely rules our world.  Virtually all of management, engineering, politics, and much of science is about optimization.  Optimization, in this sense, is the process of determining the optimal solution given all the objectives and constraints.  In management, the process may not be that formal.  Perhaps there is a board of directors who gather around a table to discuss the optimal set of policies, the direction to go, etc.  In politics it is likely similar.  The President of the U.S. surrounds himself with experts on a particular topic, they then engage in discussion, and hope to land on the optimal answer given the objectives and constraints.</p>
<p>For engineers the process is much more formal and precise.  Usually optimization takes the form of a cost function &#8211; a function incorporating, mathematically, all the objectives and constraints.  An algorithm (and there are many) is then employed to &#8220;solve&#8221; the function resulting in the optimal solution.  To demonstrate, here&#8217;s an example:</p>
<p>Suppose you are designing an aircraft.  There are numerous design possibilities, a canard style, V-tail empennages, aspect ratio of the wings, length of fuselage, coating of the surfaces, wingtips, where to place the turbines, height of vertical stabilizer (if having one at all), etc. etc.  We would like to find the optimal answer amongst all these parameters such that we maximize lift, maximize cargo space, maximize safety, minimize energy consumption, etc.  Of course we also have constraints.  We cannot physically manufacture a flexible fixed wing that is 800 ft long and thin as a toothpick.  To solve the problem, we can write down a big, long, nasty equation that would mathematically characterize the physics, constraints, and objectives and then pick our favorite optimization algorithm and wait for it to churn out the answer (which may take a long time).</p>
<p>Bayesian inference is one algorithm that can be applied to such an optimization problem.  Typically one would choose this algorithm amidst a cost function that was stochastic in nature, having noise and/or error in the system, that expressed our confidence.</p>
<h4>Finding the Truth, Optimization Style</h4>
<p>In some sense, the Bayesian inference mechanism I discussed in previous posts could be seen as an optimization method for finding the truth.  If we assume that all the new information we regularly encounter has some (even if very little) truth therein, and we apply that information in the regular Bayesian inference sense, we could then reliably conclude that we have found the &#8220;truth,&#8221; with some probability (level of confidence), given all the information.</p>
<p>This is highly related to a comment FireTag made on my <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/23/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-3-putting-it-all-together/">previous post</a>.  He asked</p>
<blockquote><p>So there are routes to evolve our beliefs toward truth no matter where we start or whatever the order of our search algorithm?</p></blockquote>
<p>In the context of this question, Bayesian inference can easily be seen as a search algorithm.  And, in fact, if we used a Sequential Monte Carlo method, it really does feel like a search algorithm.</p>
<p>In expanding this notion, my response, in part, was:</p>
<blockquote><p>Absolutely (at least in my book)! Though certainly some search algorithms are definitely worse than others and some starting places better than others! Otherwise what prayer in the world do we have (unless you&#8217;re absolutely certain that YOU&#8217;VE got it right, but I sure don&#8217;t)? I view my religion/spirituality as a compass that (I hope) points me in a good direction. My hope is that if/when the absolute truth is made manifest to me I will be humble enough (and my definition of humble is &#8220;openness to the truth&#8221;) to recognize it because/in spite of my current confidence distribution.</p></blockquote>
<p>From this perspective, we might view the church (or whatever church you belong to), the Gospel, this life, and all our associated experience as tools to help us optimize for, and draw nearer to the truth given the objectives and constraints of our personal limitations and the limitations of this mortal existence.  While I have encountered a very few number of Mormons who claim that we have ALL the truth, this is not the claim of the LDS church.  Most of us, I believe, accept there are things we don&#8217;t yet know and don&#8217;t yet understand.  The real challenge is to have an appropriate confidence distribution such that you will accept that truth when it is made known to you.</p>
<p>However, I finished my response to FireTag with the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, this really opens another can of worms &#8211; namely, what is truth? My explanation thus far has been about our perception of truth which may or may not correlate with objective or absolute truth. To argue over whether or not our perception of truth is objective truth is to argue over what forms of evidence are acceptable and what weight we should apply to that evidence (which is the conclusion of <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/23/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-3-putting-it-all-together/">this post</a> and is an argument with no victor).</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[More than two years ago, the Holy Spirit began insisting that I re-read the Book of Mormon. Of course, I didn’t immediately recognize the impulse as anything but a good idea originating within my own intellect. That’s what I do with anything – process it intellectually first. I knew spending more time reading scriptures would be the spiritual equivalent of walking more for my heart, so I put it on my to-do-list. You know all about the to-do-list that never seems to get any shorter because of emergencies and recurring requirements. So, re-reading the Book of Mormon stayed on the to-do list for a while. But then the press became more persistent and insistent: “No, you REALLY need to re-read the Book of Mormon,” and the very persistence began to get through my blocks of rationalization. So I kept moving it up the to-do-list until it was high among the emergencies and the recurring tasks, and I began to read. I had not gone cover-to-cover since I was in elementary school. I still have my first Book of Mormon given me as a baptism gift, and almost every verse in it is underlined: I didn’t know what went with what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than two years ago, the Holy Spirit began insisting that I re-read the Book of Mormon. Of course, I didn’t immediately recognize the impulse as anything but a good idea originating within my own intellect. That’s what I do with anything – process it intellectually first. I knew spending more time reading scriptures would be the spiritual equivalent of walking more for my heart, so I put it on my to-do-list. You know all about the to-do-list that never seems to get any shorter because of emergencies and recurring requirements.</p>
<p>So, re-reading the Book of Mormon stayed on the to-do list for a while. But then the press became more persistent and insistent: “No, you REALLY need to re-read the Book of Mormon,” and the very persistence began to get through my blocks of rationalization. So I kept moving it up the to-do-list until it was high among the emergencies and the recurring tasks, and I began to read.<span id="more-11666"></span></p>
<p>I had not gone cover-to-cover since I was in elementary school. I still have my first Book of Mormon given me as a baptism gift, and almost every verse in it is underlined: I didn’t know what went with what back then, and figured just about everything must be terribly important and interrelated. So I absorbed the story for a story important in my religion, and soaked up any theology unconsciously in the process. In the decades since, I used the Book of Mormon many times in preparing sermons; you preach a lot when you live in a denomination of mostly small congregations where priesthood is not the province of all worthy males. I taught many individual topics in classes or missionary efforts. I even had a few verbal jousts on my front steps with LDS missionaries before I learned that was fratricide that wasted everyone’s time. But the focus on the immediacy of my assigned tasks didn’t convey the global oversight of that first boyhood reading. In the later readings, I had the theology, both from the Book itself as well as from a deeper understanding of the other scriptural sources of Christian theology, but had lost track of the story as story.</p>
<p>From this perspective, as I began to read I began to understand overarching themes I’d missed before because they hadn’t been “on task”. Among them, I began in particular to see the books of 1<sup>st</sup> Nephi through the Words of Mormon as sort of an “old” Old Testament concerned with the overwhelming question of the first generations of Nephites: “Is there still a place for us with God?”</p>
<p>After all, in 600 BC, Judea <strong>was</strong> the “church”. You didn’t think of personal salvation outside of the structure of your Jewish tribal identity, and keeping the covenant kept your identity guaranteed by the only true God. I mean, look what had happened to the Northern Kingdom. Just gone! Conceptually to the Jews then, it didn’t matter whether individuals in the 10 tribes had been obedient or disobedient, just or unjust. The Kingdom  of Israel had been judged unworthy of God’s continued protection as a <strong>whole kingdom</strong>. The fate of the people as individuals simply was not a question that had any place in the mental landscape. What did God care about a just Assyrian or Egyptian compared to a Jew?</p>
<p>What does it do to your mental landscape, then, when God starts telling you that you are to leave your tribe, and you aren’t ever coming back? You are being further told that the tribe itself is about to be conquered and won’t be there if you do change your mind. You are amputating your culture, and you have little to replace it with, physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually. There is beyond the wilderness and the sea a “land of promise” to fill the physical hole, if you cling to your faith, but what replaces everything else?</p>
<p>Lehi and Nephi had their visions. They went, but you can see their frustration and anger at the Jews in their writings over the sheer stupidity of the disobedience of the covenant that was bringing the Babylonian disaster upon them. Laman and Lemuel turned their anger toward their father instead. Everybody was supposedly committed to going into the wilderness, but they all kept forgetting things (like wives) and finding reasons to have to go back to Jerusalem to get them. They seem to have been in shock. Stay! Go! Make up your mind!</p>
<p>And so the scriptures about the ultimate fate of Israel/Judea, as discussed by Isaiah or Zenos, become dominant concerns in this Book of Mormon “old” Old Testament. It is not an abstract theological debate to the Nephites; much of their personal focus and records are devoted to testifying that God has promised a reconnection of their seed (and even the seed of their rebellious Lamanite brethren) to the Israelites in a future time. Acceptance of Christ is seen as the means of this reconnection as well as the means of personal salvation. In fact, <strong>personal salvation</strong> is the newer, more revelatory concept which is increasingly emphasized as the story moves toward its historical climax. Even at the time of Christ’s appearance, this societal reconnection is on the minds of the people, and Christ takes time to reemphasize it along with his teachings about personal salvation. Indeed, “convincing of the Jew” of Christ’s divinity is as important as “convincing of the Gentiles”; the land of promise is not just a promise for the Nephites, but a means of keeping a promise by God for everyone else.</p>
<p>Many of those who come to this site feel either their “sense of the Spirit” or the “sense of their intellect” calling them into the “wilderness”. Whether it is because the church is not found to be as-advertised, because it changes too slowly, or because it changes too much, the shock and the anger are real and pretty much the same for all. They often no longer can support parts of the culture, but have nothing clear in their sights to replace it. They leave, miss something they left behind, go back, and try again to follow one direction or the other. Some fraction of them experience rejection by the community because they are perceived to be rejecting the norms of the community first. And sometimes they don&#8217;t know whether to be angry at others or ashamed of themselves.</p>
<p>They are reenacting this great dilemma of the early Nephites. How are they and their families to be connected to the purposes of God, when they have previously experienced their “tribe” as the only authorized means of connection? Yet, if the call is genuine, it will keep persisting and growing more insistent. There will be a land of promise for those who follow that call, and if the Nephite example holds, it will not just be a land of promise for those “wandering Mormons”. It will be a land of promise of those who come after them, and, in the long run, a blessing for the tribe they left behind as well. Experiencing being called into the wilderness isn’t a strange thing in Mormon history; it’s sort of what makes you one of the tribe in the first place.</p>
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		<title>Faith, Knowledge, Belief and Stochastic Theory Part 3: Putting It All Together</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In part one I introduced the problem I see with our current understanding of faith, introduced some basic statistics, and weakly drew a comparison to faith. In part two I introduced deductive and inductive reasoning, and showed how Bayesian inference leads to good inductive reasoning. I also gave a brief example of how this might work in real life. In this post I would like to put all these concepts together into at least one way of viewing faith, knowledge, and belief. I will do this by examining the plausible reasoning of three individuals: a stereotypical believing Mormon, a Mormon convert, and a disaffected Mormon. As a disclaimer my intent is not to say this is how all such individuals think or act, only how they might think or act. I also want to clearly state that I do not think one is better than the others &#8211; rather, I think they all follow the same model. The Convert John is a member of another Christian denomination and he was raised as a believer. He has had one discussion with the LDS missionaries and plans to continue these discussions. In the first discussion the missionaries built on common beliefs with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/09/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-1/">part one</a> I introduced the problem I see with our current understanding of faith, introduced some basic statistics, and weakly drew a comparison to faith.  In  <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/18/faith-knowledge-belief-and-stochastic-theory-part-2-inductive-reasoning/">part two</a> I introduced deductive and inductive reasoning, and showed how Bayesian inference leads to good inductive reasoning.  I also gave a brief example of how this might work in real life.  In this post I would like to put all these concepts together into at least one way of viewing faith, knowledge, and belief.  I will do this by examining the plausible reasoning of three individuals: a stereotypical believing Mormon, a Mormon convert, and a disaffected Mormon.  As a disclaimer my intent is not to say this is how all such individuals think or act, only how they <em>might</em> think or act.  I also want to clearly state that I do not think one is better than the others &#8211; rather, I think they all follow the same model.<span id="more-11797"></span></p>
<h4>The Convert</h4>
<p>John is a member of another Christian denomination and  he was raised as a believer.  He has had one discussion with the LDS missionaries and plans to continue these discussions.  In the first discussion the missionaries built on common beliefs with John and challenged him to read a few verses in The Book of Mormon and to pray over them.  They read Moroni 10:3-5 in which the Lord, through his prophet, provides a recipe for confirmation of the truthfulness of the message taught.  John takes this seriously and reads the verses and prays over them.  He also has a strong spiritual manifestation.  He feels peace, warmth, and what he interprets as an assurance from the Holy Spirit that the message is true.</p>
<p>For John, he has had a number of spiritual manifestations and hence accepts this form of gaining knowledge.  He has not had one quite this powerful before so he takes this manifestation as evidence that the LDS church is true.  In Bayesian terms, we might claim that John had a confidence distribution with a mean of &#8220;my Christian denomination is true&#8221; with a fairly large standard deviation (since he was open to other religious possibilities).  When he received this new piece of information (a spiritual manifestation of the truthfulness of the LDS message) he incorporated it into his confidence distribution.  This, along with further discussions from the missionaries is enough to shift his distribution to one with a mean of &#8220;the LDS church is the true church&#8221; with a fairly small standard deviation.</p>
<p>In this scenario there are some interesting things going on with regard to faith, knowledge, and belief.  John had &#8220;belief&#8221; enough to take a leap of &#8220;faith.&#8221;  In essence, he was testing the &#8220;tail ends&#8221; of his confidence distribution by examining a foreign concept.  In a Monte Carlo sense, his random walk was probing &#8220;less probable&#8221; areas of his distribution.  For John, he found some valuable information that he then used to modify that distribution.  It is easy to characterize his actions as &#8220;faith&#8221; as he probed heretofore untested waters.  His experience exemplifies the allegory of faith given in Alma 32.</p>
<h4>The Stereotypical Mormon</h4>
<p>Bill is a lifelong member of the LDS church.  He was raised in Salt Lake City and has been an obedient member of the church for all of his 39 years.  Bill has a strong testimony of the truthfulness of the Gospel and all of its core principles and doctrines.</p>
<p>Bill has had many experiences which he interprets as support for his view of the Gospel.  He has a successful career, a great family, good health, and an abundance of opportunities to serve which he attributes to his adherence to tithing, prayer, fasting, righteous living, and heeding the counsel of prophets.  Bill has so much confirming evidence of his life choices and beliefs that his confidence distribution has a mean of &#8220;the LDS church is the true church&#8221; with a very small standard deviation.  Bill acknowledges that others have some pieces of truth, but is grateful that he has the blessing of knowing the fulness.  Indeed, Bill claims he &#8220;knows&#8221; the Gospel is true.  He would live and die by this, and admits that nothing could persuade him otherwise.</p>
<p>In this scenario, faith, belief, and knowledge take on a bit different meaning.  Bill hasn&#8217;t really taken the same kind of &#8220;leap of faith&#8221; that John did.  He has put his beliefs to the test and received verification that they were correct.  While he has somewhat probed the less probable regions of his confidence (the tails of his distribution) he interprets the information as confirming his beliefs.  His confidence in his mean is so great it would be easy to classify Bill&#8217;s &#8220;faith&#8221; or &#8220;belief&#8221; as &#8220;knowledge&#8221; (which of course he does regularly at testimony meetings).  Each successive spiritual experience or life event, properly interpreted, only adds more information which confirms Bill&#8217;s knowledge.</p>
<h4>The Disaffected Mormon</h4>
<p>Fred is in the same boat as Bill.  He is a lifelong member of the LDS church, grew up in Salt Lake City, and did all he was asked to do.  However, about a year ago he encountered some individuals that posed challenging questions to his worldview.  Initially, Fred&#8217;s response was much like Bill&#8217;s, that is, he interpreted information to confirm his knowledge.  But eventually the information became so overwhelming that Fred had to concede he might not have it quite right.</p>
<p>Fred has also had many spiritual manifestations, but his probing into psychology convinces him that much of it can be explained by regular, well understood psychological phenomena.  Fred has also been richly &#8220;blessed&#8221; with a good career, great family, etc. but has to acknowledge that many non-Mormons have also been similarly blessed.  For Fred, his confidence distribution is beginning to change.  Each new piece of information, incorporated loosely via a built-in Bayesian inference calculator, shifts the distribution away from his mean of &#8220;the LDS church is the true church.&#8221;  Initially, the information only increases his standard deviation as he acknowledges truth in other places, but eventually his mean starts to shift as well when he examines what he considers to be the lack of evidence for the historicity of The Book of Mormon, the myriad conundrums in Church history, etc.  Most alarming for Fred is the feeling of betrayal by not realizing these things earlier in life which he attributes to white-washing by the LDS church.</p>
<p>In this scenario it would be easy to claim that &#8220;faith&#8221; is being destroyed.  I think this is erroneous.  Rather, I would say that &#8220;faith&#8221; is shifting.  Fred now has faith in other things, though admittedly less faith in the LDS church being the true church.  After a year of struggling, Fred admits he no longer has any confidence that the LDS church is the true church.</p>
<h4>Contrasting the Scenarios</h4>
<p>The commonalities between the scenarios are interesting.  Each individual is doing what he thinks is most probable.  John and Fred actually took a &#8220;leap of faith&#8221; to probe the less probable regions of their confidence distribution which turned up valuable information.  Additionally, since some previous experiences had modified their distribution, their built-in Bayesian inference calculator was perhaps more able to objectively incorporate the new information.  While Bill did occassionally probe the less probable regions of his distribution, the new information was interpreted to add more evidence to his beliefs.</p>
<p>This leads me to conclude that the biggest argument over &#8220;faith,&#8221; &#8220;belief,&#8221; and &#8220;knowledge,&#8221; actually has nothing to do with one&#8217;s &#8220;faithfulness&#8221; and everything to do with the quantity, types of, and weighting given to different types of evidence.  For John and Bill, spiritual manifestations are a perfectly valid form of evidence, perhaps even the most important kind, which they weight appropriately.  For Fred, this used to be the case, but as he discovered new information he had to modify his weightings, and began to reject some forms of evidence (spiritual manifestations) previously acceptable to him.</p>
<p>I subscribe to the &#8220;confidence distribution&#8221; model for understanding people&#8217;s beliefs, motivations, actions etc. because I believe it drives to the real issues which is what types of evidence are accepted by people, and what importance they place on that evidence.</p>
<p>This kind of reasoning also brings a different perspective to the word &#8220;doubt.&#8221;  We could say that Fred is &#8220;doubting&#8221; and couch this in negative terms, but I think a more appropriate characterization would be to admit that Fred now accepts other forms of evidence and hence his faith has shifted.  For Fred, he is being intellectually honest, as is Bill and John.  This doesn&#8217;t make one more faithful, or more spiritual than the others, just different!</p>
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		<title>Eternal Progress vs. Eternal Increase:  A Poll</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the distinct LDS doctrines is that of eternal progression:  the idea that we continue to grow and develop as individuals throughout eternity unless through our own choices we stop progressing.  But there are two different interpretations of this doctrine that both seem to be supported by authoritative statements.  Are both interpretations correct?  Or is one correct and the other incorrect? Eternal Progress.  This means that individuals in this life are progressing and growing, learning new things, and becoming more and more like our heavenly parents on our (long) way toward godhood or god-adult-hood.  In fact, if we do not continue to learn in this life, we also cease to learn and grow after death, being relegated to one of the &#8220;static&#8221; kingdoms:  telestial or terrestrial.  Two alternate twists on this, though, allow for progress after death even if one does not merit exaltation (the Celestial Kingdom): Multiple Mortal Probations.  In this version, as with reincarnation, someone can return to progress through another mortal life.  This theory would also explain how Jesus could be perfect (maybe it wasn&#8217;t his first life?). Progress between Kingdoms.  Although decried as one of the Seven Deadly Heresies by Bruce R. McConkie (who also [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the distinct LDS doctrines is that of eternal progression:  the idea that we continue to grow and develop as individuals throughout eternity unless through our own choices we stop progressing.  But there are two different interpretations of this doctrine that both seem to be supported by authoritative statements.  Are both interpretations correct?  Or is one correct and the other incorrect?<span id="more-11471"></span></p>
<p><strong><img src="http://ayearinthenow.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/eternal-life.jpg" alt="" width="255" height="249" />Eternal Progress</strong>.  This means that individuals in this life are progressing and growing, learning new things, and becoming more and more like our heavenly parents on our (long) way toward godhood or god-adult-hood.  In fact, if we do not continue to learn in this life, we also cease to learn and grow after death, being relegated to one of the &#8220;static&#8221; kingdoms:  telestial or terrestrial.  <span style="color: #808080;">Two alternate twists on this, though, allow for progress after death even if one does not merit exaltation (the Celestial Kingdom):</span></p>
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<li><span style="color: #808080;"><strong>Multiple Mortal Probations</strong>.  In this version, as with reincarnation, someone can return to progress through another mortal life.  This theory would also explain how Jesus could be perfect (maybe it wasn&#8217;t his first life?).</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #808080;"><strong>Progress between Kingdoms</strong>.  Although decried as one of the Seven Deadly Heresies by Bruce R. McConkie (who also had some enchanting things to say about evolution), this version allows for individuals who did not merit exaltation to continue to learn and grow throughout eternity, and move between kingdoms as they increase in light and knowledge.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><strong><img class="alignright" src="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/images/2007b/Littletons.jpg" alt="" width="264" height="155" />Eternal Increase</strong>.  An alternate understanding of the doctrine of eternal progression is that it merely refers to a continuation of one&#8217;s dynasty through eternity, adding spiritual offspring (increase) to someone who is righteous.  This model is likely to be favored by those who are more inclined to view God as static and omniscient rather than also continuing to learn and grow.  It also seems to be the version of this doctrine that is more in vogue with the current correlation committee&#8217;s emphasis.  Because it does not require continuous learning, it can be supported by a strict obedience model  (because individual learning and development is a byproduct of trial and error).</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Assorted Quotes on this Doctrine</span></strong>:</p>
<p><strong><img class="alignright" src="http://30.media.tumblr.com/EpqHnaT804rzecmqWG6sEs5T_500.jpg" alt="" width="252" height="183" /></strong>&#8220;We prepare for eternal life by daily learning, improving, and building the kingdom of God.What are we here for? Eternal life is the ability to progress and increase forever. This is the greatest gift that can be conferred on intelligent beings, to live forever and never be destroyed.&#8221;  Brigham Young</p>
<p>&#8220;Satan does not have a body, and his eternal progress has been halted. Just as water flowing in a riverbed is stopped by a dam, so the adversary’s eternal progress is thwarted because he does not have a physical body.&#8221;  lds.org (from a CES statement)</p>
<p>&#8220;We will have the blessing of being sealed in a family forever with the promise of eternal increase.&#8221;  Henry B. Eyring</p>
<p>&#8220;And through Joseph Smith he says: “This is eternal lives—to know the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. This exaltation meant godhood for them and creation of worlds with eternal increase for which they would probably need, eventually, a total knowledge of the sciences.&#8221;  Spencer W. Kimball</p>
<p>&#8220;Developing spirituality is critical to our eternal progress. The fruits of eternal progress are manifest in joy, peace, love, hope, increased confidence in the Lord.&#8221;  Elaine L. Jack</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s your view?</p>
<p>[poll id = "179"]</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Early Christian Theological Differences I recently read Misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman. One of the interesting realities on which Ehrman elaborates is that early Christianity was anything but homogeneous. More specifically, there were many factions, some heterodox, some orthodox, some in the middle. Some of the books of the apocrypha, gnostic texts, and other early Christian writings seemed to support various theological ideas not represented, and in fact, even repressed in what became the canonized New Testament. A few of particular interest are adoptionist (Christians that thought Jesus was fully mortal), docetic (Christians who thought Jesus was only divine and merely &#8220;appeared&#8221; to be human), and separationist (Christians who thought Jesus was two separate beings, one Jesus (human) and one Christ (divine)). There were many other heretical ideas that various Christian groups espoused. Some parts of our canonized New Testament were intentionally modified to suppress these views. Translations in Mormonism In Mormonism we have a very strange use of the word &#8220;translation.&#8221; Joseph &#8220;translated&#8221; the golden plates to produce The Book of Mormon. He &#8220;translated&#8221; some egyptian scrolls to produce the book of Abraham. In each of these instances I think that &#8220;translation&#8221; is probably a bit misleading. &#8220;Divined,&#8221; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h4>Early Christian Theological Differences</h4>
<p>I recently read <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Misquoting Jesus</span> by Bart D. Ehrman.  One of the interesting realities on which Ehrman elaborates is that early Christianity was anything but homogeneous.  More specifically, there were many factions, some heterodox, some orthodox, some in the middle.  Some of the books of the apocrypha, gnostic texts, and other early Christian writings seemed to support various theological ideas not represented, and in fact, even repressed in what became the canonized New Testament.<span id="more-11399"></span></p>
<p>A few of particular interest are adoptionist (Christians that thought Jesus was fully mortal), docetic (Christians who thought Jesus was only divine and merely &#8220;appeared&#8221; to be human), and separationist (Christians who thought Jesus was two separate beings, one Jesus (human) and one Christ (divine)).  There were many other heretical ideas that various Christian groups espoused.  Some parts of our canonized New Testament were intentionally modified to suppress these views.</p>
<h4>Translations in Mormonism</h4>
<p>In Mormonism we have a very strange use of the word &#8220;translation.&#8221;  Joseph &#8220;translated&#8221; the golden plates to produce The Book of Mormon.  He &#8220;translated&#8221; some egyptian scrolls to produce the book of Abraham.  In each of these instances I think that &#8220;translation&#8221; is probably a bit misleading.  &#8220;Divined,&#8221; or &#8220;revealed,&#8221; perhaps, but &#8220;translated&#8221; in our modern colloquial usage is quite a stretch in my opinion!</p>
<p>To me, &#8220;translation&#8221; as it relates to Joseph&#8217;s work with the Bible, seems to imply that Joseph was a textual critic, much like Ehrman.  That is to say, his goal, like a textual critic, would have been to correct the errors in translation and copying to return the scriptures to their original form.  The 8th Article of Faith further gives weight to the idea that Joseph would have been interested correcting the translation, as it was the thing that had errors (as opposed to the original manuscripts themselves).</p>
<p>Yet, it is reasonable to me to question whether or not the original manuscripts of the canonized New Testament actually contained accurate teachings of Jesus.  Surely if there were many different theologies, all of which claimed to be Christian, differing radically in their implications for modern Christian understanding, is it safe to assume that the books that &#8220;made it&#8221; into the canon even represent Jesus&#8217; teachings?  What of the process that came to finally accept a &#8220;canon&#8221; of scriptures?  It was a process of gradual (read: hundreds of years) consensus among orthodox Christians (read: the Roman Catholic church), culminating finally in the Council of Trent in the 1500&#8242;s!  Is this really what we now authoritatively accept as Jesus&#8217; teachings and doctrines?  And if Joseph&#8217;s goal, as translator, was to revert the text to the original, have we really made much progress in understanding the true Gospel as Christ taught?</p>
<h4>Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible</h4>
<p>Fortunately, as I&#8217;m sure many of you are silently screaming about, I think the Joseph Smith &#8220;Translation&#8221; is, again, a misnomer.  It seems to me that Joseph had no business being a textual critic (despite being rather schooled in the Bible), and in fact, I don&#8217;t think this was Joseph&#8217;s goal at all.  A casual glance at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_Translation_of_the_Bible">Wikipedia article</a> on the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible indicates that Joseph seemed to be using the Bible as an impetus for revelation.  From that article, Philip Barlow thinks there are six different types of changes in the JST:</p>
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<li>Long revealed additions having no Biblical parallel (including visions of Moses, Enoch, and passages on Melchizedek).</li>
<li>&#8220;Common Sense&#8221; changes.</li>
<li>&#8220;Interpretive additions&#8221; often signaled by the phrase &#8220;or in other words.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Harmonization&#8221; in which Joseph reconciled seemingly conflicting passages.</li>
<li>Grammatical improvements.</li>
<li>Unclassifiable changes.</li>
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<p>I think this is a fair list, but I would add to it.  I think the Doctrine and Covenants is a form of the JST.  That is to say, Joseph was not a textual critic, and the JST is not a translation at all.  It is a series of revelations that hoped to obtain what <em>should</em> have been in the Bible.  I think Joseph was interested in discovering, through revelation, the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ, not in a restoration of the words of the original manuscript of the books that make up our canon.</p>
<p>In this vein, I am completely baffled as to why the LDS church does not adopt the JST and why we don&#8217;t rely more on Joseph&#8217;s revelations, and less on the Bible.  I would even go so far as to argue that Mormonism shouldn&#8217;t even really care about the translational accuracy of the Bible.  Between The Book of Mormon, D&amp;C, and modern revelation, it seems we have a rich, full theology, that are Christian in their own right!</p>
<h4>JST in the LDS Church</h4>
<p>The JST manuscripts were preserved by Emma Smith after Joseph&#8217;s death.  As a result, the then Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (RLDS, now Community of Christ church) published and copyrighted the JST in 1867. The LDS church had only a partial collection of the JST manuscripts.  Ostensibly the LDS church was unable to verify, independently, whether or not the compilation of the JST by the RLDS church was indeed accurate and, possibly, to avoid simply accepting the JST as espoused by the RLDS church (relations have not always been good), perhaps the LDS church just used what it had.  That copyright has long since expired, and as recently as 2004 the LDS church, with full support from the Community of Christ church, produced a full facsimile of all the original manuscripts.  So why not adopt it now?  Here are some possible reasons why we have not adopted the JST:</p>
<ul>
<li>Tradishuuuuuun, tradishun!  Yep, the LDS church is very slow to part with tradition.  As we have officially used the KJV (with a few additions) for many years, and have gone to great lengths to print it and bind it, and have incorporated it into many lesson manuals, perhaps we are just sluggish to change.</li>
<li>Perhaps we are afraid of the label &#8220;Joseph Smith Translation.&#8221;  We already know that &#8220;translation&#8221; as used in other contexts is a stretch, so maybe we&#8217;re nervous about adopting another, possibly erroneous &#8220;translation.&#8221;</li>
<li>Maybe there is some interest in differentiating ourselves from the CoC church.  After all, from an LDS perspective, it would be easy to view the CoC church as having gone astray.  If we adopt their book, who knows what will happen.</li>
<li>There may be changes in the full JST that cast doubt on LDS church policies, procedures, rules, revelations, culture, etc.  (I have not read the full JST so this may be a stretch).</li>
<li>Doctrinal salmagundi was the <em>modus operandi</em> in Joseph&#8217;s day, but today&#8217;s church is quite sensitive to new, unprecendented doctrine and/or changes.  We seem to be moving  <strong>toward</strong> mainstream Christianity, and adopting the JST might send us in the other direction.</li>
</ul>
<p>So what do you think?  Was the JST really a &#8220;translation&#8221; in the sense that Joseph was trying to restore the text to the original, and is this even a useful thing to do for Mormonism?  Or was Joseph really more interested in getting to what he believed Jesus actually taught?  Why do you think the LDS church has not adopted the JST? </p>
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		<title>After Action Report: The Community of Christ Did WHAT?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Headline in the Independence Examiner for Thursday, April 15, 2010: &#8220;Delegation Takes No Action on Human Sexuality Issues: Church Will Continue Dialogue.&#8221; Headline  by John Hamer on BCC on Thursday, April 15, 2010: &#8220;Gay Rights Revelation Added to The Community of Christ D&#38;C&#8221; &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- The two headlines above generally cover the spectrum of opinion about what happened at the Community of Christ World Conference as it completed the process of canonization of a new Section 164 for its D&#38;C. The spectrum of opinions about whether what happened was a good thing or bad thing, of course, runs even more broadly. Indeed, I’m not at all certain that we’ll even be able to see how intense the various “colors” of that spectrum will prove until information about the conference filters down to the bulk of the North American church that maintains no real connection to the World Church in the &#8220;Blogitorium&#8221;. As in many churches on the Christian left in North America, that membership tends to be somewhat more traditionalist than its leadership. Nevertheless, I’ll give my view as someone from one part of the peanut gallery, focusing on what was in each portion of Section 164 and the effects of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headline in the <em>Independence</em><em> Examiner </em>for Thursday, April 15, 2010:</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;Delegation Takes No Action on Human Sexuality Issues: Church Will Continue Dialogue.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p>Headline  <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/04/15/gay-rights-revelation-added-to-dc-world-conference-part-2-april-12%e2%80%9315/">by John Hamer on BCC </a> on Thursday, April 15, 2010:</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;Gay Rights Revelation Added to The Community of Christ D&amp;C&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</em></strong></p>
<p>The two headlines above generally cover the spectrum of opinion about what happened at the Community of Christ World Conference as it completed the <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/05/canonizing-modern-revelation-a-tourist-guide/"> process of canonization</a> of a <a href="http://cofchrist.org/dc164/"> new Section 164</a> for its D&amp;C. The spectrum of opinions about whether what happened was a good thing or bad thing, of course, runs even more broadly. Indeed, I’m not at all certain that we’ll even be able to see how intense the various “colors” of that spectrum will prove until information about the conference filters down to the bulk of the North American church that maintains no real connection to the World Church <a href="http://saintsherald.com/2010/04/13/world-conference-in-the-blogosphere/"> in the &#8220;Blogitorium&#8221;</a>. As in many churches on the Christian left in North America, that membership tends to be somewhat more traditionalist than its leadership.<span id="more-10678"></span></p>
<p>Nevertheless, I’ll give my view as someone from one part of the peanut gallery, focusing on what was in each portion of Section 164 and the effects of associated legislation passed to begin implementation. A future post will provide a similar analysis on legislation considered by the Conference not specifically addressed by Section 164 and suggest something about the overall direction of the Community of Christ in the future.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPHS 1-4</span></strong></p>
<p>President Veazey describes the experiences of meditation, particularly on portions of Galatians 3:27-29, that led him to offer the Section. After commending the church for similarly seeking to discern the Spirit in a structured process that has been going on for well over a year, he makes explicit an understanding of the church and its sacraments which has been implicit in CofChrist theology for a number of years.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;Instruction given previously about baptism was proper to ensure the rise and cohesiveness of the church during its early development and in following years. However, as a growing number have come to understand, the redemptive action of God in Christ—while uniquely and authoritatively expressed through the church—is not confined solely to the church. God’s grace, revealed in Jesus Christ, freely moves throughout creation, often beyond human perception, to achieve divine purposes in people’s lives.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Community of Christ is to see itself as “one true church”, not as the “one <em><span style="text-decoration: underline">and only</span></em> true church”. How serious is this theological intent was earlier signaled by something I haven’t seen commentators note elsewhere. The first sessions of Conference always feature certain speeches of welcome. One is usually a non-CofChrist speaker. This speaker is often a local Congressman or a Missouri Senator. The speech is strictly non-political even then, but the identity is interesting because trends over time seem to show the direction of the church leadership’s interest.</p>
<p>This year that slot went to the Rev. Dr. Michael Kinnamon, General Secretary of the National Council of Churches. Kinnamon unabashedly spoke of the Community of Christ having unique gifts that should be seen as adding to bodies such as the NCC, rather than as a body going its own way. Ironically, contacts between the RLDS and the NCC were among the suspicions cited by fundamentalist opponents of the church circa 1970 as evidence of apostasy. Thus, such a speech 40 years ago might itself have been too controversial to occur.</p>
<p>Section 164 then lays out specific instruction (that will be followed quickly by formal administrative policy <a href="http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2010/counsel/QA3.asp"> guidance</a> to become effective by September 1, 2011). These policies will result in acceptance into membership into the Community of Christ upon confirmation by CofChrist priesthood – without requiring rebaptism if the original baptism: a) involved water;  b) was performed by an ordained Christian minister;  and c) as a personal expression of faith in Christ. In particular, we will not require someone to present proof of their baptism <em>or the baptizing minister’s credentials</em>, since that would be impossible in many places throughout the world. This clearly expands the notion of <em>true priesthood authority</em> beyond the boundaries of those called through the priesthood line passed to Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>The phrase “using water” also allows for baptisms done by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling, while upholding the church’s own standard practice of baptism by immersion at the age of accountability. There is also some additional specific guidance regarding the substance of the prayer of confirmation (Baptism of the Spirit) that is now the means by which one moves from being part of the Body of Christ into membership within the denomination. And preparation for confirmation will now be a formal requirement for the ordinance to occur.</p>
<p>Paragraph 3 contains a call for all members to serious consider and live the meaning of their baptismal covenants (water and Spirit). Paragraph 4 ties this call to consideration of the role the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper should play in renewing, witnessing, and amplifying our covenant. (Portions of the preamble specifically warn us to NOT make the meaning of the covenants atrophy even as we broaden the procedures, because of the concern that in some places this has happened with open communion).</p>
<p>This portion of the Section makes the Community of Christ look very Protestant – if you can call becoming more Protestant through modern revelation a Protestant concept in the first place.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPHS 5-7</span></strong></p>
<p>These are the paragraphs whose approval generated the widely divergent headlines above. Their actual content is to call attention to “serious questions about moral behavior and relationships” – but to prioritize those questions not simply as they are listed within the dominant culture of the denomination.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“These issues are complex and difficult to understand outside their particular settings because of strikingly different cultural histories, customs, and understandings of scripture. For example, the issues include female submission, female genital mutilation, child brides, forced marriages, and sexual permissiveness. They include cleansing and exploitation of widows, harsh conflicts over same-gender attraction and relationships, and varying legal, religious, and social definitions of marriage, to name just a few.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>More importantly, the Section calls us to see the solutions for these moral dilemmas as arising from an understanding of Christianity as a community that transcends definitions by economic status, social class, sex, gender, or ethnicity. They simply are no longer primary. Relationships are to be rooted in the principles of Christ-like love, mutual respect, responsibility, justice, covenant, and faithfulness, <em>against which there is no law.</em></p>
<p>Section 164 then extrapolates that these principles require that the church move the resolution of moral issues to the church in the cultures most affected by them rather than let the dominant North American church decide for the rest of the world. Field Apostles, under the guidance of the Presidency, are authorized to call and set the agenda for field, national, or (non-geographical) cultural groups to deal with issues such as those listed above as they feel directed.</p>
<p>Uncertainty about the nature and timing of these conferences is generating the widely divergent headlines about gay rights. First, everyone in the Community of Christ seems to understand that the leadership feels that it must not expose our leaders and members in cultures where discussion of gay issues is taboo. If so, they can hardly move toward expanded gay rights in the United States unless they can find a way to maintain what the government would call “plausible deniability&#8221;.</p>
<p>Second, there is a large body of conservative members in the US church (and non-members in society) whose reaction must be anticipated and allowed for. The LDS experience with Prop 8 shows what happens when the church in the US takes any position on controversial issues in the political arena. Many feel the church has moved too hesitantly and will continue to do so; others are likely to feel the church is moving in the wrong direction entirely.</p>
<p>Finally, there are logistical questions. It seems unlikely that the US church has the resources to assemble a national conference on gay rights issues before the spring of 2012 at the earliest. It will take until September, 2011, simply to implement the new conditions for membership.</p>
<p>The greatest sign of movement toward gay rights comes from something in administrative minutia. It is normal for the church to realign Apostolic Fields following a World Conference (our Apostles retire, so there are usually changes in the Twelve). This time a gerrymandered field has been carved out for Apostle Susan Skoor that stretches from Southern Australia to Eastern  Canada – and just happens to cover all of the non-US jurisdictions that proposed World Conference legislation expanding full priesthood and sacramental rites for gays. The extension of rights in that Field or in nations within that Field <em>might be granted</em> while maintaining sufficient distance from the World Church (and prying media) to protect the church in cultures hostile to gay rights.</p>
<p>Expansion to the US is much more difficult to do while maintaining any credibility to foreign governments and religious bodies that “this is just local jurisdictions acting on their own.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps more significantly in the long run than the particular moral issues – at least from the perspective of this Washington spectator – is the change these paragraphs make in the legislative rights of mission centers to set the agenda for the church. The Presidency immediately ruled 21 legislative proposals that had been painstakingly brought to the conference as out of order because they reflect National or Regional concerns. These rulings were entirely appropriate under Section 164 guidance.</p>
<p>However, the Conference later passed implementing legislation for the field and national conferences that make them “special conferences”. Such conferences operate under different parliamentary rules than World Conference. In particular,  Mission Centers lack the right to place items on the agenda of special conferences; that agenda is set <em>only</em> by the Apostle who calls the conference with the approval of the Presidency. In short, this revelation makes the Community of Christ less democratic and more theocratic than it was a year ago.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPH 8</span></strong></p>
<p>Paragraph 8, by contrast, shows the flexibility and speed with which the Community of Christ can move on organizational issues when it wishes to do so. The Twelve and the Presidents of the Seven Quorums of Seventy have been meeting for several years in response to the immediately previous revelation (Section 163) to consider organizational changes to increase evangelistic effectiveness. Paragraph 8 is taken as authorization to make these changes.</p>
<p>Within 24 hours of Section 164 approval, the number of Quorums of Seventy was increased from seven to ten, the additional Quorum Presidents were named, and they were approved by the Conference and set apart to that calling. Jack Bauer couldn&#8217;t have moved faster. Clearly, the outcome of these discussions among the leading quorums was well prepared in advance, while they are still feeling their way around the notion of how and when national conferences will function.</p>
<p>Reorganization of the Twelve, while not fundamental, essentially separates the world into 10 Fields for the moment, each led by an Apostle, with the remaining two Apostles focusing on Headquarters-oriented tasks. For the first time, a single Quorum of Seventy will be aligned with the geographic or other missionary focus of a Field Apostle.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">SECTION 164, PARAGRAPH 9</span></strong></p>
<p>The final paragraph of the document is a benediction of sorts, and a challenge that the rise of Zion is no farther away than the willingness of all of us – all the “beloved children of the Restoration” – to overcome our insecurities and embrace a Christ-like life.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The mission of Jesus Christ is what matters most to the journet ahead.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>What Dreams May Come</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT SS Lesson #12 Whether dreams come from the unconscious mind or directly from God, they are valuable sources of revelation. Dreams can tell us important things about ourselves and our relationships that may remain veiled deep in the psyche if we are unskilled at interpreting the symbolic language from which they present. The great attainment of Joseph of Egypt and the message this scriptural character brings to readers of the Old Testament is the importance of developing an ability to decode symbolic dream messages and using them to integrate our conscious and subconscious knowledge. Joseph had a huge, almost megalomaniac faith in his interpretations of dreams.  Early in his life he risked the rebuke and envy of his father and brothers to describe to them the images of the sheaves and the sun, moon, and stars bowing down to him.  Later, when interpreting the dreams of the chief butler and baker, he attributed his interpretations to God, even though he had no evidence this was so.  His own dreams seemed refuted &#8212; far from bowing to him, his brothers sold him into Egypt and he had been cast into prison.  His confidence reminds me of Joseph Smith&#8217;s great intrepidity [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-7683" title="Avatar-BiV" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/c51-150x150.jpg" alt="Avatar-BiV" width="80" height="80" /></a><big><strong>OT SS Lesson #12</strong></big></p>
<p>Whether dreams come from the unconscious mind or directly from God, they are valuable sources of revelation.  Dreams can tell us important things about ourselves and our relationships that may remain veiled deep in the psyche if we are unskilled at interpreting the symbolic language from which they present.  The great attainment of Joseph of Egypt and the message this scriptural character brings to readers of the Old Testament is the importance of developing an ability to decode symbolic dream messages and using them to integrate our conscious and subconscious knowledge.<span id="more-10181"></span></p>
<p>Joseph had a huge, almost megalomaniac faith in his interpretations of dreams.  Early in his life he risked the rebuke and envy of his father and brothers to describe to them the images of the sheaves and the sun, moon, and stars bowing down to him.  Later, when interpreting the dreams of the chief butler and baker, he attributed his interpretations to God, even though he had no evidence this was so.  His own dreams seemed refuted &#8212; far from bowing to him, his brothers sold him into Egypt and he had been cast into prison.  His confidence reminds me of Joseph Smith&#8217;s great intrepidity regarding his own visions:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;For I had seen a vision; I knew it and I knew that God knew it, and I could not deny it&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph Smith once said, after reading Foxe&#8217;s Book of the Martyrs, that he had &#8220;seen those martyrs, and they were honest, devoted followers of Christ, according to the light they possessed, and they will be saved&#8221;  He also saw in vision marchers in Zion&#8217;s Camp who had perished from cholera in Clay County, Missouri. He encouraged the survivors of that endeavor, saying, &#8220;Brethren, I have seen those men who died of the cholera in our camp; and the Lord knows, if I get a mansion as bright as theirs, I ask no more&#8221; .  He foresaw the struggles of the Saints in crossing the plains, their establishment in the Rocky Mountains, and the future condition of the Saints.  Of these and many other spiritual manifestations he remarked, &#8220;It is my meditation all the day &amp; more than my meat &amp; drink to know how I shall make the saints of God to comprehend the visions that roll like an overflowing surge, before my mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph of Egypt had this same certainty regarding communications from God through the medium of dreams.  When finally brought before Pharoah, he reiterated his assertion that certain dreams are communications from the Divine:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharoah twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.&#8221;</p>
<p>This assurance seems incredible when taken into account that his own early dream had also been repeated twice but not yet brought to pass.</p>
<p>Today we have varying degrees of confidence in the interpretation of our own spiritual experiences.  Some are unimpressed by the fleeting images that pass through their minds in a somnolent state.  But others become adept at the language of symbolism.  They confidently assign meanings to everything from dreams to emotional impressions, and use these to order their actions and their lives.  Psychologists have noted that people tend to dream in images that are familiar to them in their culture.  For example, Native Americans may dream about the spirits of animals and the world of nature, Catholics envision the Virgin Mary, Mormons have visitations involving the temple and their dead ancestors.  This can facilitate dream interpretation, but it can also obscure it, because the images are so familiar that we don&#8217;t look deeply at the meaning behind the symbol.  In our modern world, we have emphasized the logical mind so much that we have lost the sensitivity to understand primal and pictoral forms and symbols, even those with which we are well-versed.</p>
<p>Often our lesson manuals apply the scriptural stories to the modern audience, as was done in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7255c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 11</a>.  Here Joseph&#8217;s rejection of Potiphar&#8217;s wife is presented as an example for the righteous member to follow in avoiding moral transgression.  I am curious why, in <a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=a183c106dac20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=198bf4b13819d110VgnVCM1000003a94610aRCRD">Lesson 12</a>, although Joseph&#8217;s dreams play a prominent part in the lesson material, the class member is not encouraged to become more adept in interpreting dreams and visions or even to pay closer attention to unconscious symbolic messages.  Moving away from the esoteric, the manual broadly associates the scriptural passage in Genesis 40-41 with &#8220;talents,&#8221; and asks:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">How can we give proper acknowledgment to the Lord for our talents and gifts? (We can use them to glorify God and bless others, not for our own glory.)</p>
<p>In the early days of the Church Joseph Smith reprimanded some of the members for using messages from their dreams and visions improperly.  Do we fear this will happen if we freely encourage the widespread scrutiny of these types of unconscious messages?  What does this tell us about our confidence in recognizing inspiration from the Divine?</p>
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		<title>Mormon Myths as Transferable Charisma</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Bushman has recently given a presentation on ‘Joseph Smith and the Routinization of Charisma’. One of Bushman’s arguments seems to be that Charisma was located in the office rather than the person. That these divine or supernatural powers were transferred to whoever held a particular office.  Moreover, it was through this coupling of bureaucracy and charisma that Joseph led the early Church and through which it was transferred to Brigham Young. Yet, as the bureaucracy and membership grew it would seem that the ability of both members and leaders to draw upon or demonstrate this office-based charisma became more limited. Many Latter-day Saints will spend their whole lives never seeing a Prophet in person. Instead, therefore, my contention is that Mormon myths serve as a form of transferable Charisma. They become one of the mechanisms for demonstrating the type of office-based Charisma that Bushman observes. I want to explore these myths using the office of Prophet/President.  The centrality of his position hierarchically, the significant role he plays in the faith of many members of the Church and also the infrequency of contact with the general membership make this an apt example. These myths come in many varieties.  There are stories about the Holy of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Bushman has recently given a presentation on ‘Joseph Smith and the Routinization of Charisma’. One of Bushman’s arguments seems to be that Charisma was located in the office rather than the person. That these divine or supernatural powers were transferred to whoever held a particular office.  Moreover, it was through this coupling of bureaucracy and charisma that Joseph led the early Church and through which it was transferred to Brigham Young. Yet, as the bureaucracy and membership grew it would seem that the ability of both members and leaders to draw upon or demonstrate this office-based charisma became more limited. Many Latter-day Saints will spend their whole lives never seeing a Prophet in person. Instead, therefore, my contention is that Mormon myths serve as a form of transferable Charisma. They become one of the mechanisms for demonstrating the type of office-based Charisma that Bushman observes.<span id="more-10148"></span></p>
<p>I want to explore these myths using the office of Prophet/President.  The centrality of his position hierarchically, the significant role he plays in the faith of many members of the Church and also the infrequency of contact with the general membership make this an apt example.</p>
<p>These myths come in many varieties.  There are stories about the Holy of Holies, about paintings of the Saviour and about mantle experiences. Now all of these may well be true, in whole or in part, or they may be completely fabricated. I am not concerned with their truth claims, rather I think that what is essential in the dynamic of these stories is the way that they become transferable between Prophets.</p>
<p>It is possible to trace a number of these stories (or variants of them) through many leaders, especially prophets, of the Church. This does not add to their fallacious nature rather it serves to reinforce what Bushman noted, which is that the office is endowed with charismatic gifts and not the person. Therefore it is probable, even expected, that these charismatic gifts are manifest by diverse men who hold the same office.</p>
<p>For example, the ‘This is the Place’ myth is re-cycled in England regularly but in a context far removed from Utah. Instead this myth focuses on the construction of the Preston Temple. Simply stated, a number sites were discussed but one site had a number of people who always resisted building permission. Yet, President Hinckley had asked for a Temple to built in Preston and when he saw the different sites he said… Yes, you guessed it. Then, though there were problems, the Temple went ahead. I am sure other similar stories abound.</p>
<p>My point is this, the process of re-cycling and repeating these mythic stories is one mechanism for maintaining the dynamism of a charismatic office, specifically the Prophet, in a Church where the general membership is so far removed from the individual. This is not to say that miraculous things do not happen, but these stories play an important sociological role in reinforcing this key notion that is rooted so firmly to the earliest days of the Church. These Mormon myths serve as a form of transferable charisma for an otherwise distant office.</p>
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		<title>You&#8217;re the Bishop:  Poll #3</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/02/18/youre-the-bishop-poll-3/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bishop Bill back with more.  We&#8217;ve had fictionalized situations in the last two installments with a YW and a YM.  Now, let&#8217;s have a situation with an adult. A middle-aged single brother moves into your ward.  He has been divorced for nearly 10 years.  He was married in the temple.  He has been inactive for many years and is just starting to come back to church.  He would like to go back to the temple.  During your Temple Recommend interview, he confesses to having had sex with a woman about a year after he was divorced.  This relationship went on for several months, and then he broke it off.  He has not had any other Law of Chastity issues since then, for over eight years. [poll ID ="97"] Would your answer change if he had not been endowed?  Would your answer differ if the infraction had gone on longer or been more recent (e.g. 4 years ago or 2 years ago)?  Would your answer differ if this was a woman&#8217;s confession rather than a man&#8217;s?  Discuss.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bishop Bill back with more.  We&#8217;ve had fictionalized situations in the last two installments with a YW and a YM.  Now, let&#8217;s have a situation with an adult.<span id="more-9254"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.peggyhaymes.com/files/QuickSiteImages/middle_aged_man.jpg" alt="http://www.peggyhaymes.com/files/QuickSiteImages/middle_aged_man.jpg" width="120" height="180" />A middle-aged single brother moves into your ward.  He has been divorced for nearly 10 years.  He was married in the temple.  He has been inactive for many years and is just starting to come back to church.  He would like to go back to the temple.  During your Temple Recommend interview, he confesses to having had sex with a woman about a year after he was divorced.  This relationship went on for several months, and then he broke it off.  He has not had any other Law of Chastity issues since then, for over eight years.</p>
<p>[poll ID ="97"]</p>
<p>Would your answer change if he had not been endowed?  Would your answer differ if the infraction had gone on longer or been more recent (e.g. 4 years ago or 2 years ago)?  Would your answer differ if this was a woman&#8217;s confession rather than a man&#8217;s?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>True or Bizarre:  A Poll</title>
		<link>http://mormonmatters.org/2010/01/27/true-or-bizarre-a-poll/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While there are moral truths that all religions tend to share (don&#8217;t kill, don&#8217;t steal, be nice to people, etc.), religions also include &#8220;bizarre&#8221; differentiators to distinguish each religious community (often in food prohibitions, clothing choices, or supernatural beliefs). These &#8220;bizarre&#8221; elements hedge up the community and create borders between the religious group and those not in the religion.  Without these &#8220;fences,&#8221; a church would cease to be a community.  But a negative byproduct of these &#8220;bizarre&#8221; elements is that they are indefensible on grounds of logic or &#8220;truth.&#8221;  So, what elements of Mormonism are &#8220;true&#8221; and which ones are merely &#8220;bizarre&#8221;?All religions contain elements that are &#8220;bizarre&#8221; or unique to them.  These elements often contain a built-in justification or a way for members to explain why this bizarre or unique element is best.  Some elements in other religions that might be viewed as &#8220;bizarre&#8221; to outsiders: Growing out &#8220;forelocks&#8221; as Hasidic Jews do. Eschewing technology as the Amish do. 7th Day Adventists considering Saturday as the Sabbath. Celibacy among priests and nuns of the Catholic faith. Jews not eating shellfish or pork. Muslim women wearing the hajib or burka. Scientology &#8211; where do I start? (not technically a religion, but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there are moral truths that all religions tend to share (don&#8217;t kill, don&#8217;t steal, be nice to people, etc.), religions also include &#8220;bizarre&#8221; differentiators to distinguish each religious community (often in food prohibitions, clothing choices, or supernatural beliefs). These &#8220;bizarre&#8221; elements hedge up the community and create borders between the religious group and those not in the religion.  Without these &#8220;fences,&#8221; a church would cease to be a community.  But a negative byproduct of these &#8220;bizarre&#8221; elements is that they are indefensible on grounds of logic or &#8220;truth.&#8221;  So, what elements of Mormonism are &#8220;true&#8221; and which ones are merely &#8220;bizarre&#8221;?<span id="more-9502"></span><img class="alignright" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/68772823_3e3fcf5f3a_m.jpg" alt="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/68772823_3e3fcf5f3a_m.jpg" width="86" height="113" />All religions contain elements that are &#8220;bizarre&#8221; or unique to them.  These elements often contain a built-in justification or a way for members to explain why this bizarre or unique element is best.  Some elements in other religions that might be viewed as &#8220;bizarre&#8221; to outsiders:</p>
<ul>
<li>Growing out &#8220;forelocks&#8221; as Hasidic Jews do.</li>
<li>Eschewing technology as the Amish do.</li>
<li>7th Day Adventists considering Saturday as the Sabbath.</li>
<li>Celibacy among priests and nuns of the Catholic faith.</li>
<li>Jews not eating shellfish or pork.</li>
<li>Muslim women wearing the hajib or burka.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology">Scientology</a> &#8211; where do I start? (not technically a religion, but you get the point)</li>
</ul>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://plainlydressed.bravepages.com/images/zoe.jpg" alt="http://plainlydressed.bravepages.com/images/zoe.jpg" width="226" height="170" />It&#8217;s easy to distinguish the &#8220;bizarre&#8221; from the &#8220;true&#8221; when considering other faiths because we tend to think that the things we have in common are &#8220;true&#8221; but the ones we don&#8217;t are &#8220;bizarre&#8221; and can be dismissed.  The same holds true when Mormonism is viewed from someone on the outside, unfamiliar with our practices.  Consider how the following things look to outsiders:  Word of Wisdom, garments, fasting monthly, paying 10% in tithing, the temple, not seeing R-rated movies, polygamy, and Sabbath day observance.  Which  of these are &#8220;true&#8221; and which are &#8220;bizarre&#8221;?</p>
<p>Generally, a practice is justified using one of the following means:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>There is an underlying principle that drives the practice.</strong> This can be tricky, though, and different people may accept different underlying principles.  Consider the following possible justifications for the Word of Wisdom:
<ul>
<li><strong>A health code</strong>.  Tobacco has been shown to be unhealthy, so one could say that the Word of Wisdom is a health code.  However, alcohol, tea and coffee have not been shown to be unhealthy (users of these substances don&#8217;t have significantly shorter life spans, for example), so it could be difficult to convince outsiders that this is a &#8220;true&#8221; principle on the grounds of being a heavenly health code.  Also, the WoW does not outlaw some more clearcut unhealthy practices like eating too much fatty fried foods.</li>
<li><strong>Addiction Avoidance</strong>.  The principle could be that there should be moderation in all things and because some people become addicted to these substances, this is how to preserve one&#8217;s ability to choose.  But because this is not true of all people, it&#8217;s kind of a shotgun principle that results in abstinence for all that only benefits a few.</li>
<li><strong>Spiritual enlightenment</strong>.  As RSR pointed out, JS&#8217;s view of the WoW was that it would foster spiritual enlightenment.  Of course, since it was not widely adopted until much later, this calls the practice into question.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Secret or revealed knowledge</strong>.  One justification for unique practices is that it&#8217;s touted as &#8220;secret&#8221; or &#8220;restored&#8221; or &#8220;revealed&#8221; knowledge.  The &#8220;we don&#8217;t know&#8221; defense might fall into this category if the assumption is that the practice was revealed, but God&#8217;s ways are too mysterious for our limited human understanding.  In the latter case, the &#8220;defense&#8221; of the practice is really just an assertion and may sound illogical to outsiders not prone to believe in revelation.</li>
<li><strong>Symbolic meaning</strong>.  Some justifications for unique practices are that they have a symbolic meaning intended to teach adherents through allegory.  Sometimes this is used in conjunction with a &#8220;revelation&#8221; defense to bolster a difficult to explain justification.  While no one would dispute that circumcision has a &#8220;symbolic&#8221; purpose, early adult convert Christians were naturally reluctant to adopt this Jewish symbolic practice, which created a big division in the early Christian church.</li>
<li><strong>Proof</strong>.  There is generally an underlying assumption that the unique element is ultimately &#8220;provable,&#8221; or at least so adherents believe.  IOW, adherents would believe that ultimately the &#8220;truth&#8221; of the practice will be revealed, either in this life (born out by science, for example) or the one to come (when God says, &#8220;Yep, that was my idea!&#8221;).</li>
</ul>
<p>OTOH, a practice might also serve a purpose to create sociological benefit by defining the community or making &#8220;a peculiar people.&#8221;  If these elements are more &#8220;bizarre&#8221; or unique to create boundaries between groups and not necessarily based in truth, they may exist primarily for sociological reasons:</p>
<ul>
<li>To identify who is in and who is out of the group.</li>
<li>To control the weak members of the organization and keep them in line.  This makes the group more easily identifiable for admirable traits and aids missionary efforts.</li>
<li>To discourage intermarriage outside the group.</li>
<li>To provide an Abrahamic test of faith to new adherents and to foster loyalty through arbitrary requirements.</li>
</ul>
<p>The tricky thing is that it&#8217;s not always cut &amp; dried whether a unique practice is based in truth or is just there to reinforce group boundaries.  Here are some possible classifications for unique practices.</p>
<ol>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Justifiable / truth-based</strong></span>.  There is a clear, easily explained justification for the practice that is based in true, verifiable events.
<ul>
<li><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Rule of thumb</span>:  If you explain the practice, you find your logic convincing.</em></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Partially justifiable / principle-linked</span></strong>.  There is a justification or a link to a principle that can be used to explain the practice, but it is not self-evident and probably sounds a little weird to outsiders.  Others might consider the justification unconvincing or weak.
<ul>
<li><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Ergo</span>:  You find the logic of the practice partly convincing, but partly weak.  You have to make up what is lacking in logic in faith or suspension of disbelief or only accept the practice partially</em>.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Bizarre / unjustifiable / faith-based</strong></span>.  There&#8217;s really no justification or explanation that makes any kind of logical sense to non-adherents or non-believers.  Trying to explain the practice leaves one tongue-tied and feeling a bit silly.</li>
</ol>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">IOW</span>:  You neither have a convincing explanation for the practice, nor do you buy the ones you&#8217;ve heard.  You may suspect the practice primarily exists for sociological reasons, to make us a &#8220;peculiar&#8221; people.</em></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>Of course the other difficulty is that someone may have what they feel is a good explanation for a practice, but another adherent may not buy it or believe it or may find it weak, so there&#8217;s a good deal of subjectivity.  And subjectivity means it&#8217;s a perfect time for a poll!  For each of the below unique Mormon practices, please choose whether you think it is True, Partially Justifiable or merely Bizarre.  Be honest!  (<em>I apologize in advance if my descriptions of what might constitute a true, partially justifiable or bizarre reason don&#8217;t work for you individually &#8211; as I said, lots of subjectivity involved here!)</em></p>
<p>[poll id="128"]</p>
<p>[poll id="129"]</p>
<p>[poll id="130"]</p>
<p>[poll id="131"]</p>
<p>[poll id="132"]</p>
<p>[poll id="133"]</p>
<p>[poll id="134"]</p>
<p>[poll id="135"]</p>
<p>[poll id="137"]</p>
<p>[poll id="138"]</p>
<p>So, what do you think are some of the difficult to justify practices, from your perspective?  Are there some I didn&#8217;t include here?  Do you see value in this kind of boundary definition or do you think all religious practices should have logical justification or be discarded?  Does your lack of justification for an individual practice make you less committed to the practice?  Does it impact your religious devotion overall?  Were you surprised by some of your answers?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>You&#8217;re the Bishop:  Scenario #1</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to &#8220;You&#8217;re the Bishop,&#8221; a new installment at Mormon Matters.  My name is Bishop Bill.  Once every few weeks I&#8217;ll post a situation that I had while I was bishop, and let you decide how to handle it.  Everybody gets to play, even the ladies out there.  After a week, I&#8217;ll add a comment with what I did in the situation, and how it turned out.  Let&#8217;s play! I&#8217;ve changed some minor details in each situation to preserve the confidentiality of the person involved.  Other than the small changes, everything you read here really happened to me as Bishop.  I was Bishop for 6 years in a medium-sized ward in the southwestern U.S. So let&#8217;s start out with this week&#8217;s installment of &#8220;You&#8217;re the Bishop.&#8221; There is a YW in your ward that is 16.  She lives with a non-member mother who does not place any restrictions on her.  Her father is remarried and very active and lives out of town.  The girl chose to live with her mother, so she can pretty much do what she wants.  But she has several good friends in the ward, and she craves he friendship and attention she gets in church. She [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to &#8220;You&#8217;re the Bishop,&#8221; a new installment at Mormon Matters.  My name is Bishop Bill.  Once every few weeks I&#8217;ll post a situation that I had while I was bishop, and let you decide how to handle it.  Everybody gets to play, even the ladies out there.  After a week, I&#8217;ll add a comment with what I did in the situation, and how it turned out.  Let&#8217;s play!<span id="more-9239"></span></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve changed some minor details in each situation to preserve the confidentiality of the person involved.  Other than the small changes, everything you read here really happened to me as Bishop.  I was Bishop for 6 years in a medium-sized ward in the southwestern U.S.</p>
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<p>So let&#8217;s start out with this week&#8217;s installment of &#8220;You&#8217;re the Bishop.&#8221;</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://googlegirls.files.wordpress.com/2005/12/cleavage1.jpg" alt="" width="115" height="134" />There is a YW in your ward that is 16.  She lives with a non-member mother who does not place any restrictions on her.  Her father is remarried and very active and lives out of town.  The girl chose to live with her mother, so she can pretty much do what she wants.  But she has several good friends in the ward, and she craves he friendship and attention she gets in church.</p>
<p>She is VERY well endowed and wears very low cut tops to all church meetings.  One gets quite a view when talking with her.  As bishop, you are on very good terms with her, and she has come to you several times with problems.</p>
<p>[poll id="95"]</p>
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		<title>The Word of Wisdom and the Temple: Personal, Political and Prophetic Dimensions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obedience to the Word of Wisdom, it is commonly known, was not always a requirement for entering the Temple or advancement in the Priesthood.  What is less clear from the historicl record is when this principle moved to become a requirement.  President Joseph Fielding Smith believed the change occurred in 1851, but an excellent article by McCue has shown this cannot be the case [1].  Others have argued that it occurred under the Joseph F. Smith administration (he seems to have been the first to have said it was a commandment &#8211; but it was only made a test of fellowship in extreme cases and informally in a letter dated Dec 28 1915 [2]).  Contrastingly Thomas Alexander argued that it happened under President Grant.  I agree with Alexander, but there is even confusion about when it was made official, was it early 20&#8242;s or early 30&#8242;s and what led to these changes? According to Allen and Leonard ‘perhaps no doctrine was preached more enthusiastically by President Grant or stressed more in Church literature during his administration than the Word of Wisdom’ [3].  Arrington’s seminal (if not a little controversial essay) on the economic factors that led to the importance of the Word of Wisdom [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obedience to the Word of Wisdom, it is commonly known, was not always a requirement for entering the Temple or <img class="alignright" src="http://wendyusuallywanders.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/heber_j_grant.jpg" alt="" width="156" height="197" />advancement in the Priesthood.  What is less clear from the historicl record is when this principle moved to become a requirement.  President Joseph Fielding Smith believed the change occurred in 1851, but an excellent article by McCue has shown this cannot be the case [1].  Others have argued that it occurred under the Joseph F. Smith administration (he seems to have been the first to have said it was a commandment &#8211; but it was only made a test of fellowship in extreme cases and informally in a letter dated Dec 28 1915 [2]).  Contrastingly Thomas Alexander argued that it happened under President Grant.  I agree with Alexander, but there is even confusion about when it was made official, was it early 20&#8242;s or early 30&#8242;s and what led to these changes?</p>
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<p>According to Allen and Leonard ‘perhaps no doctrine was preached more enthusiastically by President Grant or stressed more in Church literature during his administration than the Word of Wisdom’ [3].  Arrington’s seminal (if not a little controversial <a href="http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/byu/chapter2.htm">essay</a>) on the economic factors that led to the importance of the Word of Wisdom deals with the period till 1900 and misses some crucial occurrences in the lead up to this principle becoming a ‘commandment’.</p>
<p><strong>The Personal</strong></p>
<p>President Grant had a friend who had died young because of alcohol related problems (according to Truman Madsen it was cirrhosis of the liver [4]).  At the funeral President Grant records, in a sermon given in 1931, that ‘as I stood at his grave I looked up to heaven and made a pledge to my God that liquor and tobacco would have in me an enemy who would fight with all the ability that God would give me to the day of my death, and I have kept that pledge so far’[5].  Perhaps what haunted President Grant most was that this young man had given up his habits to serve a mission, but had quickly resumed them when he finished his service.</p>
<p><strong>The Political</strong></p>
<p>According to the Encyclopaedia of Mormonism ‘The [prohibition] movement intensified the Church&#8217;s interest in the Word of Wisdom. There is evidence that Church Presidents John Taylor, Joseph F. Smith, and Heber J. Grant wanted to promote adherence to the Word of Wisdom as a precondition for entering LDS temples or holding office in any Church organization; and indeed, by 1930 abstinence from the use of alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea had become an official requirement for those seeking temple recommends.’[6].   </p>
<p>It seems this interest became even more pronounced when the calls for repeal began.  President Grant’s concern can be seen in his April 2, 1932 General Conference address.  There was a controversial speech by Elder Stephen L. Richards at that same conference which will be discussed later.  But at the very least, it seems that President Grant’s emphasis on making the Word of Wisdom a requirement emerged out of a political context in which he saw liquor becoming a problem for the Latter-day Saints.  He had lived through and been an Apostle through some of the previous period of emphasis which Arrington documents, and perhaps did not want to see the Church membership go down that road again.</p>
<p>Perhaps President Grant saw the Church collectively as being like his friend.  He may thought the membership would enter a period of relapse; and he was trying to prevent it.</p>
<p><strong>The Prophetic</strong></p>
<p>What is surprising, is that in President Grant’s sermons on this issue and on the policy change he does not cite any direct revelation.  Interestingly, President Grant said in 1928, which seems to contradict Alexander&#8217;s thesis of the 1921 date, that &#8216;the Lord has not made this an absolute commandment&#8217;.  The implication here from President Grant however, is that if the Lord asks his people to do something then we should respond.  In addition, in a CHI (published in 1928) the Word of Wisdom was not explicitly mentioned as a requirement for the Temple, but was in the 1933 edition [2].  Thus although the issue seems to have been informally incorporated as policy its codification was not enforced until the early 1930&#8242;s in-line with the possible repeal of Prohibition. </p>
<p>In addition, the evidence suggests that there has never been a sustaining vote on this issue [1].  I am not claiming that President Grant never believed he had received revelation on this issue nor that he never shared a testimony that he believed this principle was revelation.  What interests me is how, as a Prophet, he did not justify this change by referring to a revelatory experience but rather in a personal commitment to a principle and to political or social fears.  I would have expected an effort, like President Kimball discusses, of overcoming bias and prejudice that individuals hold in order to prepare for revelation.  For President Grant it seems that he moved forward in a different way.</p>
<p><strong>Some Controversy</strong></p>
<p>Stephen L. Richards who was an Apostle during this time gave a sermon, which was apparently not printed in the conference report <img class="alignright" src="http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/chft/images/a12-51.gif" alt="" width="182" height="241" />because it angered President Grant.  It has been subsequently printed by <a href="https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/015-43-46.pdf">Sunstone</a>.  The sermon suggested that there was fanaticism in the way Church leaders had approached the issue of the Word of Wisdom, and other behaviours.  The date Sunstone give for the delivery of this sermon is the 9<sup>th</sup> April 1932.  Although there was not a General Conference session on that day, Stan Larson (<a href="http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/truth.htm">source</a> &#8211; fn 79) in a footnote in his work on B.H. Roberts makes reference to a Salt Lake Tribune article and First Presidency meeting that discussed Richards’ talk on the 9<sup>th</sup> and the day after.  Sunstone claim they got their transcript from the Church archives.  So there is some confusion in my mind at least about where this comes from.  However, according to Michael Quinn [7], on May 5<sup>th</sup> 1932, Stephen L. Richards told the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve that he will resign as apostle rather than apologize for his general conference talk which argued that the Church is putting too much emphasis on the Word of Wisdom. However on the 26<sup>th</sup> May he later recanted and apologised for his <a href="http://www.i4m.com/think/history/mormon_history.htm">remarks</a>.  What this suggests to me is that this move may have been as much a personal drive from President Grant as from a revelation.  Moreover, it certainly was not wholly accepted at face value by all of the twelve.</p>
<p>Notes</p>
<p>1. Robert J. McCue, <em>Did the Word of Wisdom become a Commandment in 1851?</em> in Dialogue, no. 3 [Salt Lake City, UT.: Dialogue Foundation, 1981], p. 66-77.</p>
<p>2. Thomas G. Alexander, <em>The Word of Wisdom: From Principle to Requirement </em>in Dialogue, no. 3 [Salt Lake City, UT.: Dialogue Foundation, 1981], pp. 79</p>
<p>3. James B. Allen and Glen M. Leonard, <em>The Story of the Latter-day Saints,</em> 2nd ed., rev. and enl. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1992], 525 &#8211; 526.</p>
<p>4. Truman G. Madsen, <em>The Presidents of the Church</em>, [Salt Lake City, UT. Deseret Book, 2004).</p>
<p>5. President Heber J. Grant, <em>Answering Tobacco&#8217;s Challenge</em> in Improvement Era, 1931, (Vol. Xxxiv. June, 1931. No. 8.)</p>
<p>6. Joseph Lyons, <em>Encyclopedia of Mormonism, </em>1-4 vols., edited by Daniel H. Ludlow (New York: Macmillan, 1992), 1584.</p>
<p>7. D. Michael Quinn, <em>The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power</em> [Salt Lake City, UT.: Signature Books, 1997).</p>
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		<title>The Church in 20 Years</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where do you see the Church in 20 years?  Today&#8217;s guest post is by David Heap.19 predictions about the church 20 years from now: probably Elder Oaks or Elder Holland will be, or will have been,president by then. I hope, by that time, the Lord will have seen fit to call one or two non-caucasians to the 12. Some sermons in conference will be given in a non-English language, with simultaneous translation available for English speakers. The Church will have, in some way, formally disavowed teachings on the curse of Cain/Ham and any teaching that the practice of withholding priesthood/temple on the basis of lineage/race had its origins before the Restoration. There will be a continued outreach to the GLBT community. While the Church will not recognize or perform same sex marriages, it may well permit GLBT individuals in a committed monogamous union to retain their formal membership, but not attend the temple or exercise the priesthood (sort of like the Church&#8217;s current position on those who have undergone&#8221;elective&#8221; transsexual surgery and who join the Church or who are rebaptized). Some sort of initiative will address the problem of excluding nonmember parents from weddings of their children when those weddings [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you see the Church in 20 years?  Today&#8217;s guest post is by <span style="color: #0000ff;">David Heap</span>.<span id="more-8583"></span>19 predictions about the church <img class="alignright" src="http://www.plan59.com/images/JPGs/styling_house_of_the_future_00.jpg" alt="" width="234" height="165" />20 years from now:</p>
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<li>probably Elder Oaks or Elder Holland will be, or will have been,president by then.</li>
<li>I hope, by that time, the Lord will have seen fit to call one or two non-caucasians to the 12.</li>
<li>Some sermons in conference will be given in a non-English language, with simultaneous translation available for English speakers.</li>
<li>The Church will have, in some way, formally disavowed teachings on the curse of Cain/Ham and any teaching that the practice of withholding priesthood/temple on the basis of lineage/race had its origins before the Restoration.</li>
<li>There will be a continued outreach to the GLBT community. While the Church will not recognize or perform same sex marriages, it may well permit GLBT individuals in a committed monogamous union to retain their formal membership, but not attend the temple or exercise the priesthood (sort of like the Church&#8217;s current position on those who have undergone&#8221;elective&#8221; transsexual surgery and who join the Church or who are rebaptized).</li>
<li>Some sort of initiative will address the problem of excluding nonmember parents from weddings of their children when those weddings take place in the temple. My guess is that the automatic one year wait rule will be softened to accommodate those faithful members who wish their parents to witness the &#8220;for time&#8221; portion of the ceremony.</li>
<li>Women will be invited to offer open and/or closing prayers in general conference. A woman will be appointed as president of at least one of the Church universities.</li>
<li>The teaching and practice of women being permitted to join with their husbands in blessing their sick children will again officially become permitted and/or encouraged.</li>
<li>The weekly priesthood executive committee will be expanded to include the RS president and YW president. Presidents of auxiliaries will be referred to as &#8220;President&#8221;.</li>
<li>Another attempt at simplifying Church programs will occur. The three hour block may be reduced to two and one-half hours. It is possible that priesthood/relief society and Sunday School will be held on alternate Sundays.</li>
<li>Small Church post-secondary colleges may be established in Mexico, Brazil, the Philipines, and Chile. The tithing subsidy for tuition at the BYU campuses in the U.S. might be reduced to provide a similar subsidy to students at the non-U.S. campuses. Alternatively, the BYU campuses might be spun off entirely, in the same way the Church hospitals were. They would remain LDS in focus, but without the tithing subsidy. Or, if that does not occur, then greater equality of US and nonUs members might be attained by a greater subsidy to PEF out of tithing, in the same manner the Church universities are subsidized.</li>
<li>Small temples will continue to be built throughout the world, perhaps reaching 200 or 250 temples.</li>
<li>Missionaries will be permitted to teach in China and in many parts of the Middle East. The Church will strengthen its ties to Islamic countries and representatives. For the first time since the Church was established in Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation in the world, there will be a serious and significant increase in conversions in that country.</li>
<li>The birthrate of LDS in the US will increase slightly, but not return to baby boom levels. Divorce rates will stabilize or drop somewhat.</li>
<li>As the baby boom retires, the number of senior missionaries will increase significantly, however, the relative proportion of members serving missions will remain steady. If Church membership of record increases to 20 million (about 50%), then the number of full the full time missionaries serving at that time will also increase about 50% (to 80,000 or 90,000).</li>
<li>The Church will once again begin making occasional disclosures of its finances.</li>
<li>Retention levels will continue a slow increase. Addiction recovery programs meetings (including pornography addiction support groups) will be part of this growth in retention, helping new converts (or lapsed members) address pernicious addictions in a safe, supportive environment, to return to complete spiritual health.</li>
<li>There will continue to be a strengthened emphasis on the Book of Mormon, and its teachings of gospel fundamentals such as God&#8217;s grace, free moral agency, redemption, and forgiveness. Further discouragement of the use of guilt as a motivator, and greater use of support and positive encouragement.</li>
<li>The Proclamation on the Family may become section 132, and the current section 132 will either be removed entirely (like the Lectures on Faith) or will be added as an historical footnote (like the footnote at the end of Joseph Smith-History).</li>
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<p>So, these are my predictions for the church in the next 20 years.  What are your predictions?  Which of my predictions do you think unlikely?  Which do you think will happen?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Really Elder McConkie?  You think Education is Worship!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From an outsiders perspective, Mormon worship services may be perceived as lacking actual worship.  We spend two and a half  of our three hours in classes or listening to sermons.  We have (maybe) half an hour of singing (most of it &#8211; in my ward at least &#8211; resembles a death march) and ordinances.  Even our public prayers center around the teacher and the student receiving the Spirit.  Where is our Worship?  In a BYU devotional entitled &#8216;Lord, Increase our Faith&#8217; Bruce R. McConkie taught that he believed that the highest form of worship is when someone spoke by the spirit and another person received by the spirit so that both were edified.  This idea is clearly rooted in D&#38;C section 50, but is this really a form of worship? If it is a uniquely LDS form of worship then what does that tell us about the ideals we value most in the Mormon Church? In a series of previous posts, David Stout has suggested that there is an underlying rationalism that drives our worship services.  I suspect that this true to an extent but he misses, or perhaps neglects to mention another key factor.  Terryl Givens explores a paradox in Mormon thought [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an outsiders perspective, Mormon worship services may be perceived as lacking actual worship.  We spend two and a half  of our three hours in classes or listening to sermons.  We have (maybe) half an hour of singing (most of it &#8211; in my ward at least &#8211; resembles a death march) and ordinances.  Even our public prayers center around the teacher and the student receiving the Spirit.  Where is our Worship?  In a BYU devotional entitled &#8216;Lord, Increase our Faith&#8217; Bruce R. McConkie taught that he believed that the highest form of worship is when someone spoke by the spirit and another person received by the spirit so that both were edified.  This idea is clearly rooted in D&amp;C section 50, but is this really a form of worship? If it is a uniquely LDS form of worship then what does that tell us about the ideals we value most in the Mormon Church?<span id="more-8230"></span></p>
<p>In a series of previous posts, David Stout has suggested that there is an underlying rationalism that drives our worship services.  I suspect that this true to an extent but he misses, or perhaps neglects to mention another key factor.  Terryl Givens explores a paradox in Mormon thought between certainty and searching [1].  He explains that the discourse of our religious history is rooted in certainty and that conversion occurs when we <em>know</em> the truth, rather than in a conversion to Christ through forgiveness.  Therefore, perhaps, it is not strange to conclude that the highest form of worship is when such certainty is conveyed or shared between searching individuals.</p>
<p>Yet, this is not the only type of worship discussed in the LDS tradition.  In fact there are two other strains that I think are prominent: emulation and adoration.  Emulation as a form of worship continues the pragmatic theme which seems fixed in education as a form of worship (another of the paradoxes Givens discusses: The Sacred and the Banal).  Adoration is part of the Church but it seems diminished compared to other religious cultures like the Church of England, for example.  I can understand this, however, because Emulation and Adoration suggest different conceptions of sacred distance.  Emulation seeks to narrow that distance whereas Adoration wants to emphasise the differences between God and Human beings.</p>
<p>It occurs to me that the view of God that is generally held among Mormons (the Anthropomorphic God who becomes divine through a progressive process) results in a sense of dissatisfaction with the traditional forms of Adoration-type Worship held in other Churches, but neither Education nor Emulation have adequately replaced them, in my view.   So where is worship in LDS services?</p>
<p>One suggestion I have is that we should include both types of worship in our services.  I sense that including forms of worship which both accentuates and also diminishes the sacred distance between ourselves and God would be a spiritually productive paradox.  Accentuating this distance would emphasise our dependence upon God while seeking to receive his divine nature would ensure we do not stop striving to open ourselves to God&#8217;s love and the possibility of loving others and being loved by them.  Moreover, I am one of those people who sees that these (unresolvable) tensions prove fertile ground for our communion with God.</p>
<p>Questions:</p>
<p>How do you feel about Mormon Worship services?</p>
<p>What do you consider Worship and is it present in your wards and stakes?</p>
<p>What types of Worship could be included in our meetings?</p>
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		<title>Musings on Modesty &amp; Mormonism</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s guest post is from Reuben Collins who also blogs at Single Speed. The 2001 version of the For The Strength of Youth pamplet distributed to all LDS teens says the following regarding modesty: &#8230;Never lower your dress standards for any occasion. Doing so sends the message that you are using your body to get attention and approval and that modesty is important only when it is convenient. Immodest clothing includes short shorts and skirts, tight clothing, shirts that do not cover the stomach, and other revealing attire. Young women should wear clothing that covers the shoulder and avoid clothing that is low-cut in the front or the back or revealing in any other manner. Young men should also maintain modesty in their appearance&#8230;. I&#8217;ve always bristled at this proscriptive, specific list of directions on how to dress modestly. Partially because I happen to LIKE women in short shorts &#38; skirts, but also because it seems to ignore the fact that modesty is a moving target that varies based on context. What&#8217;s modest now wasn&#8217;t modest 100 years ago, and what&#8217;s modest on the beach isn&#8217;t modest in the chapel or at work. These guidelines always seemed rather arbitrary to me [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">Today&#8217;s guest post is from Reuben Collins who also blogs at <a href="http://reubencollins.blogspot.com/2009/11/musing-on-modesty-mormonism.html">Single Speed</a>.<span id="more-8370"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_l5R-K6mIRyU/SwcTkXssooI/AAAAAAAAC-w/BvfdBTbZfcA/s1600/09-team-celebration.jpg" alt="" />The 2001 version of the <a href="http://www.lds.org/youthresources/pdf/ForStrengYouth36550.pdf">For The Strength of Youth</a> pamplet distributed to all LDS teens says the following regarding modesty:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: small">&#8230;Never lower your dress standards for any occasion. Doing so sends the message that you are using your body to get attention and approval and that modesty is important only when it is convenient.</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: small">Immodest clothing includes short shorts and skirts, tight clothing, shirts that do not cover the stomach, and other revealing attire. Young women should wear clothing that covers the shoulder and avoid clothing that is low-cut in the front or the back or revealing in any other manner. Young men should also maintain modesty in their appearance&#8230;.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve always bristled at this proscriptive, specific list of directions on how to dress modestly. Partially because I happen to LIKE women in short shorts &amp; skirts, but also because it seems to ignore the fact that modesty is a moving target that varies based on context. What&#8217;s modest now wasn&#8217;t modest 100 years ago, and what&#8217;s modest on the beach isn&#8217;t modest in the chapel or at work. These guidelines always seemed rather arbitrary to me while I was a teenager &#8211; and I&#8217;m sure todays teenagers are similarly perplexed. Why are the young women specifically instructed to cover their shoulders but the young men aren&#8217;t? Why is it culturally acceptable for the young men to wear swim suits that reveal their stomachs, but that would be considered immodest for the young women? With the definition of modesty changing over time and depending on where you are or what you&#8217;re doing, the obvious questions become: why is modesty important, or is it important? Why are such specific guidelines given?</p>
<p>God doesn&#8217;t seem to have given any specific commandments like &#8220;Thou shalt always cover your thighs at all times and all places.&#8221; The closest we&#8217;ve got is 1 Timothy 2:9-10 which says &#8220;In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;&#8221; But this passage seems to be more about avoiding expensive or pretentious clothing than making sure we cover specific body parts. The lack of specific guidance from God leads me to believe that He expects us to determine our own definition of what is modest and what isn&#8217;t &#8211; perhaps even that God isn&#8217;t particularly concerned about what parts of our body we cover and what parts we don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>So if God doesn&#8217;t command it, why are we modest? Part of me believes that modesty is something we do out of respect for ourselves. I believe we should treat our bodies with respect and take good care of them, but it&#8217;s not clear to me that covering our bodies is necessarily a sign of respect &#8211; or that not covering our bodies is a sign of disrespect. Rather than discussing modesty in terms of coverage, it seems more appropriate to discuss our intentions when deciding to cover or not cover certain parts of our body, and the extent to which our desires effectively objectify or dehumanize ourselves. In this respect, the act of wearing revealing clothing may be insignificant, but our intentions may be questionable.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I believe that the principle of modesty is primarily about having respect for each other &#8211; that society has constructed a set of cultural norms and expectations for what people should wear at various times and places, and that we should dress modestly according to what those around us are wearing, or what they expect us to wear. So I believe we should dress modestly, but not necessarily for God, because I&#8217;m not sure He cares. Rather, we should dress modestly out of mutual respect for each other. Jesus taught that we should love our neighbors, and part of loving our neighbors is agreeing to live reasonably within societal expectations. We aren&#8217;t loving our neighbors if we choose to wear clothing that we know will offend someone else.</p>
<p>Based on my understanding, modesty has much more to do with context than anything else. It&#8217;s inappropriate to wear revealing clothing within a context where it will be unexpected or unappreciated. Of course, by adopting this understanding, I&#8217;m also acknowleging that it may be appropriate to wear <em>revealing</em> clothing within certain contexts &#8211; provided that our intentions aren&#8217;t to objectify ourselves. But I believe that individuals are best suited to decide for themselves what is appropriate and what isn&#8217;t for every occasion &#8211; while allowing societal expectations to inform their decisions.</p>
<p>So how should we interpret the proscriptive instructions given in the FTSOY pamphlet? One option is to believe that I am wrong, and that these are universal guidelines that should apply to all persons at all times in all places. If that&#8217;s the case, then The Church has some explaining to do regarding those little shorts the BYU Women&#8217;s volleyball players wear (I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;&#8230;). The better option, in my opinion, is to believe that The Church is simply establishing the arbitrary dress code that will be required of the youth attending church-sponsored activities &#8211; a dress code that doesn&#8217;t apply to non-church-sponsored activities &#8211; and a dress code that all members of the Church should feel comfortable deviating from any time they are not participating in a church-sponsored activity.<br />
I am aware that the pamphlet says, &#8220;Show respect for the Lord and for yourself by dressing appropriately for Church meetings and activities,<em> </em><span><em>whether on Sunday or during the week,</em></span>&#8221; which seems to imply the opposite &#8211; that these are guidelines to be followed regardless of where you are or what you&#8217;re doing. I choose to interpret this statement very literally, however, and I believe that we should dress <em>appropriately</em> regardless of what we&#8217;re doing. I just believe that it&#8217;s our responsibility to determine what&#8217;s appropriate and what isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>DISCLAIMER: The exception to the rule is that parents have the right to determine for their dependent children what is appropriate and what isn&#8217;t &#8211; and within this context, parents have the right to be as arbitrary as they please in setting rules for their children.</p>
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		<title>Ghosts:  What Are They?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you believe in ghosts?  Have you ever had a ghostly encounter?  If you do believe in ghosts, what do you think they are doing?  Why are they hanging around? Aside from psychics, who seem to be able to sense ghosts everywhere, ghost sightings seem traceable to some commonalities: Bad photography.  If you look at some of these photos of ghosts, it&#8217;s easy to see that mixed in with the ghostly are photos of people&#8217;s blurry gray thumbs or &#8220;energy orbs&#8221; that look remarkably like glares from the sun. Places with a known violent history.  The question this raises is whether knowledge of the violent history is sufficient to raise the hairs on the backs of people&#8217;s necks.  IOW, is the power of suggestion what causes the &#8220;ghostly experience&#8221;?  Or, is it possible that violence leaves a negative energy signature behind that results in these experiences? Places where a lot of people have lived and died.  This seems somewhat logical also; the more populous an area has been for a long time, the more likely that violence may have occurred there.  Does the hustle &#38; bustle of life leave an energy signature behind that people can sense?  OTOH, there have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you believe in ghosts?  Have you ever had a ghostly encounter?  If you do believe in ghosts, what do you think they are doing?  Why are they hanging around?<span id="more-7649"></span></p>
<p>Aside from psychics, who seem to be able to sense ghosts everywhere, ghost sightings seem traceable to some commonalities:</p>
<ul>
<li><img src="http://www.dbskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/orbs-ectoplasm-ghost-expanded.jpg" alt="http://www.dbskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/orbs-ectoplasm-ghost-expanded.jpg" width="128" height="96" /><strong>Bad photography</strong>.  If you look at some of these photos of ghosts, it&#8217;s easy to see that mixed in with the ghostly are photos of people&#8217;s blurry gray thumbs or &#8220;energy orbs&#8221; that look remarkably like glares from the sun.</li>
<li><img src="http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/blog/media/blogs/new/AmityvilleHouse.jpg" alt="http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/blog/media/blogs/new/AmityvilleHouse.jpg" width="207" height="256" /><strong>Places with a known violent history</strong>.  The question this raises is whether knowledge of the violent history is sufficient to raise the hairs on the backs of people&#8217;s necks.  IOW, is the power of suggestion what causes the &#8220;ghostly experience&#8221;?  Or, is it possible that violence leaves a negative energy signature behind that results in these experiences?</li>
<li><img src="http://www.dickensworld.co.uk/images/stories/visuals/Thumbs/Dickens_05-08-2006_27.JPG" alt="http://www.dickensworld.co.uk/images/stories/visuals/Thumbs/Dickens_05-08-2006_27.JPG" width="177" height="124" /><strong>Places where a lot of people have lived and died</strong>.  This seems somewhat logical also; the more populous an area has been for a long time, the more likely that violence may have occurred there.  Does the hustle &amp; bustle of life leave an energy signature behind that people can sense?  OTOH, there have been pre-historic people in many places on the earth.  It&#8217;s not possible to know, in some cases, that a place was populated tens of thousands of years ago.  Do the traces of humanity fade over time?</li>
<li><img src="http://kicktheballs.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/funeral.jpg" alt="http://kicktheballs.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/funeral.jpg" width="134" height="70" /><strong>Personal visitations</strong>.  A friend of mine who is a grief counselor says that so many of her patients have experienced some sort of contact from beyond the grave, that she considers it a natural part of the grieving process, a way to find psychological closure when a loved one has gone.</li>
<li><img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_46b3F1StmkU/SQvLETNYMKI/AAAAAAAAALk/60sjXkN8PEM/s400/rose-hall-jamaica%5B1%5D.jpg" alt="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_46b3F1StmkU/SQvLETNYMKI/AAAAAAAAALk/60sjXkN8PEM/s400/rose-hall-jamaica%5B1%5D.jpg" width="140" height="106" /><strong>Humid climates</strong>.  It occurs to me that many of the &#8220;most haunted&#8221; places I have been also have humid climates:  the deep South, the northeast, Hawaii, Jamaica, England, etc.  Is it possible that we sense creepiness more in a humid climate because our bodies are more sensitive to changes in wind or temperature?</li>
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<p>So, what do you think?  Are ghosts real or just people spooking themselves?  Are they sentient or just traces of energy?  And most importantly, have you ever seen or felt a ghostly presence?  Happy Halloween . . .</p>
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		<title>De-centralising the Spirit: Between Charisma and Bureaucracy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a lecture entitled ‘A Historian’s Perspective on Joseph Smith’, Richard Bushman shows an interesting trend in religious cultures that surrounded Joseph Smith.  This trend centers around the tension between the Charismatic gifts and the Bureaucracy which contain them.  I had an experience six months ago that made me realise that there is, in my view, a centralised view of the Spirit in the LDS Church that may restrict the spirituality of our local meetings. Bushman highlights in this lecture a ‘Visionary Culture’ in which Joseph Smith matured, as well as many of the early converts to the Church.  This culture seems to have powerfully shaped the experience of the Spiritual Gifts in the Church.  As an illustration Bushman notes that the Methodist religion, prior to this period, ‘begins with this supernatural culture, or people who are yearning for visions and tongues and various demonstrations of God’s power in their lives.  And the reason Joseph Smith ran into so much trouble with that minister, was not because his vision was strange and out of the way but because it was so common.  The Methodist’s by 1820 were trying to calm their membership, to discourage this visionary culture’.  Acknowledging that I am not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a lecture entitled ‘A Historian’s Perspective on Joseph Smith’, Richard Bushman shows an interesting trend in religious cultures that surrounded Joseph Smith.  This trend centers around the tension between the Charismatic gifts and the Bureaucracy which contain them.  I had an experience six months ago that made me realise that there is, in my view, a centralised view of the Spirit in the LDS Church that may restrict the spirituality of our local meetings.<span id="more-7943"></span></p>
<p>Bushman highlights in this lecture a ‘Visionary Culture’ in which Joseph Smith matured, as well as many of the early converts to the Church.  This culture seems to have powerfully shaped the experience of the Spiritual Gifts in the Church.  As an illustration Bushman notes that the Methodist religion, prior to this period, ‘begins with this supernatural culture, or people who are yearning for visions and tongues and various demonstrations of God’s power in their lives.  And the reason Joseph Smith ran into so much trouble with that minister, was not because his vision was strange and out of the way but because it was so common.  The Methodist’s by 1820 were trying to calm their membership, to discourage this visionary culture’.  Acknowledging that I am not a Historian, it seems to me that this same cycle has played out for the LDS Church as well.  The result appears to be a centralised view of the spirit and the spiritual gifts; meaning they are something we experience when our (general) leaders speak or perhaps we experience them vicariously through the stories of our general leaders.</p>
<p>Six months ago I attended a Stake Conference where a member of the First Presidency and an Apostle spoke.  This is fairly rare in the UK, I am not sure if it is more common in other places.  I have never been in the same room as an Apostle before, let alone a member of the First Presidency.  As you might expect, the excitement was tangible.  After the meeting I heard many people reflect upon the significant spiritual experiences that they had felt.  While I felt inspired, I did not experience what it seemed like others had felt.  Now I am aware that not all people connect with certain speakers in the same way and that I may not have been ‘spiritually prepared’; but I contrasted this with a fireside, given by an LDS academic, that I attended a few weeks later where I was genuinely moved by some of the inspiring things this person said about the Life and Teachings of the Saviour.  What surprised me most was that I was almost alone in my feelings. </p>
<p>Anecdotally at least, I sensed that perhaps there is a part of the LDS culture that expects profound spiritual experiences from the Brethren and no one else.  It seems that we believe miraculous events in the lives of the leaders but are skeptical about those who are in our wards and stakes.  It occurred to me that this was not always the case and that perhaps the Church, or we as members, needs to de-centralise the Spirit.  I believe that I need to expect my most profound spiritual experiences to come from those people I spend most of my spiritual life with; those in my ward and in my family.  I also believe that the General Leaders do not want spirituality to be centralised at Church headquarters.</p>
<p>Others have noticed this tension between charisma and bureaucracy. “Security religion provides refuge. It builds an ecclesiastical wall which protects from the onslaught of questions and doubts and decisions. Growth religion, on the other hand, forces its adherents to grow, to accept responsibility to assume the burden of proof, to move beyond extrinsic constraints”[1].  According to Ritchie we need to balance both types of culture.  In my mind, this pattern of centralising the spirit is associated with security religion.</p>
<p>Contrastingly, growth religion would seem to “provide those conditions of the giving and receiving of influences such that there is the enlargement of the freedom of all the members to both give and receive.”[2]  Being able to experience the divine influence in our local spiritual communities would seem to be linked with this pattern of open-ness.</p>
<p>My Questions are these:</p>
<p>Has the Church moved from a explosively Charismatic movement to a bureaucratically-contained one?  And why might this have happened?</p>
<p>Do you agree with my contention that there is a centralisation of the Spirit in the Church?  If so, is this a good thing?</p>
<p>Are the differences between Growth and Security religion manageable on an Institutional scale or are they invariably matters for the individual?</p>
<p>If there is the a centralisation of the Spirit and if this is not good, how could this be changed?</p>
<p>Notes:</p>
<p>1. J. Bonner Ritchie, <em>The Institutional Church and the Individual</em> in Sunstone [Salt Lake City, UT.: Sunstone Education Foundation, ], p. 101.</p>
<p>2. Bernard Loomer, <em>“Two Conceptions of Power,”</em> <em>Process Studies</em> 6, no. 1 (Spring 1976), 26- 27.</p>
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		<title>A Jungian View of the First Vision</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The First Vision is often viewed as a literal visit from two Heavenly beings during Joseph Smith&#8217;s waking hours.  Yet, he consistently refers to it as a vision.  Often, visions in scripture are vivid dreams with meaning that is applied to the larger organization rather than just the individual.  What if the First Vision is more like a dream, a foray into the subconscious mind of Joseph Smith? Jungian dream analysis includes several underlying assumptions: that dreams are subjectively meaningful for the individual that people, objects, animals, and events in the dream are representative of the dreamer&#8217;s inner life (and not to be taken at face value or literally) that a proper interpretation of dreams can lead the dreamer to great self-awareness and to understanding the psychological direction of his/her life at a given time that some themes, events or characters in a dream are archetypal or representative of collective spirituality, not just reflective of personal meaning So, to apply Jungian dream interpretation to the First Vision, we would consider the following elements: People.  In Jungian perspectives, people in dreams are almost always a manifestation of a part of the person dreaming.  There are seven archetypes one may encounter in a dream: The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The First Vision is often viewed as a literal visit from two Heavenly beings during Joseph Smith&#8217;s waking hours.  Yet, he consistently refers to it as a vision.  Often, visions in scripture are vivid dreams with meaning that is applied to the larger organization rather than just the individual.  What if the First Vision is more like a dream, a foray into the subconscious mind of Joseph Smith?<span id="more-7647"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gesher.org/Dreams,%20Visions,%20and%20Prophecy/Dream%20Interpretation.htm"><img class="alignright" src="http://api.ning.com/files/PfLdYwaWFRaaTFpZ4sn7TB9nv9nNpZHp2zryASEOgNa5zDoeCjX*YZMe0s5aJ8Gcw1lz5D0o-SYi2fjjkf-frtZfaoOcWb0h/first_vision.jpg" alt="http://api.ning.com/files/PfLdYwaWFRaaTFpZ4sn7TB9nv9nNpZHp2zryASEOgNa5zDoeCjX*YZMe0s5aJ8Gcw1lz5D0o-SYi2fjjkf-frtZfaoOcWb0h/first_vision.jpg" width="147" height="193" />Jungian dream analysis</a> includes several underlying assumptions:</p>
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<li>that dreams are subjectively meaningful for the individual</li>
<li>that people, objects, animals, and events in the dream are representative of the dreamer&#8217;s inner life (and not to be taken at face value or literally)</li>
<li>that a proper interpretation of dreams can lead the dreamer to great self-awareness and to understanding the psychological direction of his/her life at a given time</li>
<li>that some themes, events or characters in a dream are archetypal or representative of collective spirituality, not just reflective of personal meaning</li>
</ul>
<p>So, to apply Jungian dream interpretation to the First Vision, we would consider the following elements:</p>
<p><strong>People</strong>.  In Jungian perspectives, people in dreams are almost always a manifestation of a part of the person dreaming.  There are <a href="http://www.dreammoods.com/dreaminformation/dreamtheory/jung3.htm">seven archetypes</a> one may encounter in a dream:</p>
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<li><span style="font-weight: bold;">The Persona </span>is the image you present to the world in your waking life. It is your public mask. In the dream world, the persona is represented by the Self. The Self may or may not resemble you physically or may or may not behave as your would. For example, the persona can appear as a scarecrow or a beggar in your dream. However, you still know that this &#8220;person&#8221; in your dream is you.</li>
<li><img src="http://www.mijit.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/star_wars_episode_one_the_phantom_menace_ver1.jpg" alt="http://www.mijit.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/star_wars_episode_one_the_phantom_menace_ver1.jpg" width="74" height="101" /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The Shadow </span>is the rejected and repressed aspects of yourself. It is the part of yourself that you do not want the world to see because it is ugly or unappealing. It symbolizes weakness, fear, or anger. In dreams, this figure is represented by a stalker, murderer, a bully, or pursuer. It can be a frightening figure or even a close friend or relative. Their appearance often makes you angry or leaves you scared. They force you to confront things that you don&#8217;t want to see or hear. You must learn to accept the shadow aspect of yourself for its messages are often for your own good, even though it may not be immediately apparent.</li>
<li><span style="color: #888888;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">The Anima / Animus </span>is the female and male aspects of yourself. Everyone possess both feminine and masculine qualities. In dreams, the anima appears as a highly feminized figure, while the animus appears as a hyper masculine form. Or you may dream that you are dressed in women&#8217;s clothing, if you are male or that you grow a beard, if you are female. These dream imageries appear depending on how well you are able to integrate the feminine and masculine qualities within yourself. They serve as a reminder that you must learn to acknowledge or express your masculine (be more assertive) or feminine side (be more emotional).</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #888888;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">The Divine Child </span>is your true self in its purest form. It not only symbolizes your innocence, your sense of vulnerability, and your helplessness, but it represents your aspirations and full potential. You are open to all possibilities. In the dreamscape, this figure is represented by a baby or young child.</span></li>
<li><img src="http://www.jungiananalyticpraxis.com/SpiritualPilgrim_-_small.jpg" alt="http://www.jungiananalyticpraxis.com/SpiritualPilgrim_-_small.jpg" width="79" height="63" />The <span style="font-weight: bold;">Wise Old Man /Woman </span>is the helper in your dreams. Represented by a teacher, father, doctor, priest or some other unknown authority figure, they serve to offer guidance and words of wisdom. They appear in your dream to steer and guide you into the right direction.</li>
<li><span style="color: #888888;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">The Great Mother </span>is the nurturer. The Great Mother appears in your dreams as your own mother, grandmother, or other nurturing figure. She provides you with positive reassurance. Negatively, they may be depicted as a witch or old bag lady in which case they can be associated with seduction, dominance and death. This juxtaposition is rooted in the belief by some experts that the real mother who is the giver of life is also at the same time jealous of our growth away from her.</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #888888;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">The Trickster</span>, as the name implies, plays jokes to keep you from taking yourself too seriously. The trickster may appear in your dream when you have overreach or misjudge a situation. Or he could find himself in your dream when you are uncertain about a decision or about where you want to go in life. The trickster often makes you feel uncomfortable or embarrassed, sometimes mocking you or exposing you to your vulnerabilities. He may take on subtle forms, sometimes even changing its shape.</span></li>
</ol>
<p><strong>Setting</strong>.  This includes the mental state of the dreamer as well as the dream setting.</p>
<p><strong>Action</strong>.  This refers to the events that occur in the dream, and the actions of the person the dreamer identifies as the self.</p>
<p><strong>Objects or Symbols</strong>.  These could be archetypes (symbols common to all cultures) or symbols with unique personal significance to the dreamer.</p>
<p><strong>Emotions</strong>.  These reveal information important to the interpretation of the dream.</p>
<p><span style="color: #888888;"><strong>Animals</strong>.  These represent our basest human instincts.</span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://soultherapynow.com/images/carl-jung-interview.jpg" alt="http://soultherapynow.com/images/carl-jung-interview.jpg" width="140" height="100" />In considering the various accounts of the First Vision, the elements that have a Jungian significance are:  the Persona (with a possible link to the Divine Child given the age of the dreamer), the Shadow, the Wise Old Man, and consideration for setting, action, and emotions.  There are no versions in which the vision included female figures or animals, so those elements will be considered irrelevant for this analysis.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Setting</strong></span>.  JS was yearning for forgiveness of his sins (1832 version) and spiritual enlightenment (all versions).  He sought &#8220;wisdom&#8221; from God directly.  He was also obsessed with his personal welfare and salvation.  This setting (pre-vision) carried into the dream state.</p>
<p>Immediately, JS is confronted by a <span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Shadow </strong></span>type.  Based on Jungian analysis, this Shadow is JS&#8217;s repressed negative side, his weaknesses and subconscious flaws.  These flaws &#8220;bind&#8221; his dream self (the Persona), making it impossible for him to move (to progress) or speak (to represent his own interests).  IOW, in order to continue to seek enlightenment, JS had to confront and overcome his own flaws that were holding him back and making any progress impossible.  (Often, dreams make funny little puns like this.  You are &#8220;wrestling with your demons&#8221; figuratively in life, so in your dream state, you do so literally).</p>
<p>When he is released from his Shadow side, he finds the enlightenment he seeks in the form of light and a visit from either an angelic messenger (1832) or God the Father &amp; the son (1838).  Regardless, these are familiar archetypes for the <strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Wise Old Man/Woman</span></strong>:  an authority (what bigger religious authority could he envision?) who gives direction or wisdom or advice.  He petitions for forgiveness of his sins (1832) and to know how to obtain salvation/which church to join (1838).  Of course, these archetypes also represent parts of our own personality.  IOW, Jung might say that JS has tapped into his inner wisdom, his internal wellspring of creativity and enlightenment.</p>
<p>We all know the specifics of the answer he was given as recorded in the 1838 version.  Consider that advice from a Jungian perspective, and there is a subtle change.  JS asks which external source of truth is right for him to follow.  He is told to stop looking outside himself for enlightenment because those sources of wisdom are not correct and are corrupted by others&#8217; perspectives.  He is left to wait for further inspiration (or to find wisdom from within as Jung would see the God figure as a manifestation of JS&#8217;s spiritual side).</p>
<p>This is a classic <a href="http://www.cgjungny.org/d/d_mythpsyche.html">hero myth</a>: the quest for spiritual wisdom.  The hero must first reconcile his double nature (the Shadow and Persona) in order to transcend and achieve enlightenment.  Interestingly, one could also see the endowment as another telling of this same story, personalized for attendees &#8211; one&#8217;s progressive quest for spiritual wisdom and enlightenment, with a similar culmination.</p>
<p>So, what do you think?  Is a Jungian view of the First Vision useful?  Does this add meaning for you?  Do you consider dreams and visions too similar for this type of approach to be of value?  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Common Consent: Democracy or Prophetocracy?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron R. aka Rico</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[At 10:00am on a brisk August morning in 1844 Sidney Rigdon addressed the Saints.  Brigham Young spoke briefly before the break and at length in the afternoon, at which point they voted for a new leader.  Arrington notes that the response was almost unanimous, but the subsequent disaffection from the Church shows that not all was well in Zion[1].  This experience raises interesting questions for me about the role of Common Consent in the Church.  Seeing this is General Conference weekend (and we have just had a sustaining vote), I ask: Have we moved from a democracy to prophetocracy, and is this a bad thing? “Evidence from accounts of some early meetings and conferences indicates that many of the New England leaders of the Church felt that the membership should be directly involved in decision-making meetings, including making motions on policy issues, following standard parliamentary procedure for public meetings, and voting to finalize decisions”[2][3].  Bushman argues that one unique feature of Mormonism was that revelation and governance came through councils, and this implied Common Consent [4].  Many of the revelations included in the D&#38;C were written in and through Council meetings and then accepted by Common Consent [5].  It seems two converging cultures [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 10:00am on a brisk August morning in 1844 Sidney Rigdon addressed the Saints.  Brigham Young spoke briefly before the break and at length in the afternoon, <img class="alignright" src="http://rsc.byu.edu/images/young.jpg" alt="" width="184" height="230" />at which point they voted for a new leader.  Arrington notes that the response was almost unanimous, but the subsequent disaffection from the Church shows that not all was well in Zion[1].  This experience raises interesting questions for me about the role of Common Consent in the Church.  Seeing this is General Conference weekend (and we have just had a sustaining vote), I ask: Have we moved from a democracy to prophetocracy, and is this a bad thing?<span id="more-7165"></span></p>
<p>“Evidence from accounts of some early meetings and conferences indicates that many of the New England leaders of the Church felt that the membership should be directly involved in decision-making meetings, including making motions on policy issues, following standard parliamentary procedure for public meetings, and voting to finalize decisions”[2][3].  Bushman argues that one unique feature of Mormonism was that revelation and governance came through councils, and this implied Common Consent [4].  Many of the revelations included in the D&amp;C were written in and through Council meetings and then accepted by Common Consent [5].  It seems two converging cultures have emerged from this Brigham Young Mantle experience.</p>
<p>As Jan Shipps is famous for saying, we can distinguish between the &#8216;Mountain Saints&#8217; and the &#8216;Prairie Saints&#8217;.  For the Mountain Saints &#8220;as the Church grew and as new converts required greater organization, it was not possible to maintain a simple democracy where each member had equal access either to power or to revelation for the group as a whole.” [6].  But this was not a necessity, for the Prairie Saints have maintained a strong democratic culture to their religion.  One example Jan Shipps cites is a situation where the RLDS (as it was then called) wanted to publish a revised version of the Book of Mormon.  When it was ready they took the decision to a General Conference and the ideas was rejected by the membership[7].</p>
<p>Bonner Ritchie has written that “Security religion provides refuge. It builds an ecclesiastical wall which protects from the onslaught of questions and doubts and decisions. Growth religion, on the other hand, forces its adherents to grow, to accept responsibility to assume the burden of proof, to move beyond extrinsic constraints”[8].  Bonner Ritchie argues that we need both types or religion and that the tension between them needs to be managed.  It appears to me that how we use Common Consent is one way of utilising this tension between Growth and Security Religion.  But how could this be more fully incorporated into our Church practice?</p>
<p>My thinking here is that this s<img class="alignleft" src="http://doctrineandcovenants.byu.edu/images/dc21-40/dc21-40-6.jpg" alt="" width="365" height="280" />hould work on a Local and Church-wide level differently and should utilise changing mechanisms.  Moreover it seems that we should distinguish between those matters that are up for debate and those which might not be.  It seems that some votes like sustaining our leaders might not be times for debate and discussion while maybe decisions of Church policy, like the consolidated meeting schedule, might be discussed.  At a Church-wide level, what decisions could be open to discussion and even for a dissenting vote?  In addition, at a Local level are there decisions that should be open for discussion rather than just made in small council meetings?  Would this shift re-create some of the elements of Growth religion that Ritchie supports.  I am not saying that every decision should be made by Common Consent, I think this would be impractical and would negate some of the good Security religion practices that the &#8216;Sustaining Vote&#8217; Common Consent provides for the Church.</p>
<p>The second area that I am interested in, is how we, as a Church, relate to Common Consent.  Here are two statments regarding the practice: “The Church has a right to reject or approve of revelations… Before a revelation can be accepted by the Church, as a law, it must in some form or other be presented to the Church and accepted by the Church” [9]. Interestingly Apostle Taylor (who was removed from his position for practicing polygamy after the Manifesto, explained that he never sustained the Manifesto when it was presented and therefore was not required to be obedient to that principle.  Contrastingly, George Q. Cannon has said “It seems nonsensical that the Prophet of God could not deem the revelations he received authentic until they had the approval of the different quorums of the Church&#8221; [10].  So what is the role of Common Consent, is it supposed to be a test for the membership as to whether they follow their leaders or is it intended to a mechanism to work as a check/balance to ensure the Church is on course?</p>
<p>My Questions again:</p>
<p>What was intended by the principle of Common Consent?</p>
<p>Could the principle be used to encourage greater ownership and growth?</p>
<p>Is it possible to have two types of Sustaining Vote, one with discussion and one without?  Then, if we did have votes with discussion what topics should or should not be covered?</p>
<p>What is the role of Common Consent in the Church: is it a test of obedience, is it an a cceptance of a Covenant, it is a democratic principle of support or is it something else all together?</p>
<p>Notes:</p>
<p>1. Leonard J. Arrington, <em>Brigham Young: American Moses</em> [Urbana &amp; Chicago, IL.: University of Illinois Press, 1986] p. 113-7.</p>
<p>2. Common Consent in <em>Encyclopedia of Mormonism, </em>1-4 vols., edited by Daniel H. Ludlow (New York: Macmillan, 1992), 297.</p>
<p>3. Donald Q. Cannon and Lyndon W. Cook, eds., <em>Far West Record: Minutes of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1830-1844</em> [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1983], 9.</p>
<p>4. Richard L. Bushman, Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling [ New York: Vintage, 2007] p. 252.</p>
<p>5. Robert J. Woodford, <em>How the Revelations in the Doctrine and Covenants Were Received and Compiled</em> in Ensign, [January 1985]</p>
<p>6. (John M. Lundquist and Stephen D. Ricks, eds., <em>By Study and Also by Faith: Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, 27 March 1990, 2 vols. [Salt Lake City and Provo: Deseret Book Co., Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1990], 1: 164</em>.)</p>
<p>7. Jan Shipps, <em>Prophets and Prophecy</em> at Sunstone</p>
<p>8. J. Bonner Ritchie, <em>The Institutional Church and the Individual</em> in Sunstone [Salt Lake City, UT.: Sunstone Education Foundation, ], p. 101.</p>
<p>9. Wilford Woodruff, cited in Von Wagoner et al, The Lectures on Faith: A Case Study in De-canonization in Dialogue, 1987, vol. 20, no. 3,  74.</p>
<p>10. George Q. Cannon, <em>Gospel Truth: Discourses and Writings of President George Q. Cannon,</em> selected, arranged, and edited by Jerreld L. Newquist [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1987], 258.</p>
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		<title>Saturday Session Thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hawkgrrrl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are just a few quick observations from today&#8217;s sessions, not every talk, though, nor every observation.  I also want to direct attention to the excellent notes by Mme. Curie. E. Scott The porn warning, usually reserved for Priesthood session, goes mainstream.  Sisters, this is what equality feels like! The analogy of trying to taste a grape (revelation) while eating a jalapeno (experiencing strong emotions like anger or passion) was interesting.  He was advocating stoicism, and it reminded me of that Greek philosophy. He suggested teachers should sometimes close the manual and teach through the spirit.  Were the correlation committee&#8217;s ears burning? E. Bednar It was nice to hear some real life examples of a high ranking leader&#8217;s failed FHE attempts.  I particularly liked &#8220;he&#8217;s breathing my air.&#8221;  What parent hasn&#8217;t heard that sibling complaint? Pres. Uchtdorf Lovely talk about how to become a disciple of Christ and the importance of love. Referred to &#8220;heavenly parents,&#8221; which reminded me of what my 11-year old son said the other morning when I mentioned the idea that we have a Heavenly Mother.  He said, &#8220;Well, I never heard of her!&#8221; E. Oaks This talk might be best understood when compared to E. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are just a few quick observations from today&#8217;s sessions, not every talk, though, nor every observation.  I also want to direct attention to the excellent <a href="http://thirdwavemormon.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">notes </a>by Mme. Curie. <span id="more-7787"></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>E. Scott</strong></span></p>
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<li>The porn warning, usually reserved for Priesthood session, goes mainstream.  Sisters, this is what equality feels like!</li>
<li>The analogy of trying to taste a grape (revelation) while eating a jalapeno (experiencing strong emotions like anger or passion) was interesting.  He was advocating stoicism, and it reminded me of that Greek philosophy.</li>
<li>He suggested teachers should sometimes close the manual and teach through the spirit.  Were the correlation committee&#8217;s ears burning?</li>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>E. Bednar </strong></span></p>
<ul>
<li>It was nice to hear some real life examples of a high ranking leader&#8217;s failed FHE attempts.  I particularly liked &#8220;he&#8217;s breathing my air.&#8221;  What parent hasn&#8217;t heard that sibling complaint?</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Pres. Uchtdorf</strong></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Lovely talk about how to become a disciple of Christ and the importance of love.</li>
<li>Referred to &#8220;heavenly parents,&#8221; which reminded me of what my 11-year old son said the other morning when I mentioned the idea that we have a Heavenly Mother.  He said, &#8220;Well, I never heard of her!&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>E. Oaks</strong></span></p>
<ul>
<li>This talk might be best understood when compared to E. Oaks&#8217; much-criticized <a href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/same-gender-attraction">interview </a>on homosexuality.  He tempered several of the things that were uncomfortable to people about those statements, including:
<ul>
<li>rather than &#8220;mandating&#8221; what parents should do about wayward children, he said parents were entitled to their own revelation.</li>
<li>he said it might be extreme to shun wayward kids (and also extreme to ignore their behaviors)</li>
<li>he used cohabitation as an example, not homosexuality, indicating that chastity was the issue, not the specific way in which the law of chastity is broken (IOW, placing homosexual and heterosexual violations of the law of chastity on equal ground, where they theologically if not politically belong).</li>
</ul>
</li>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>E. Hales</strong></span></p>
<ul>
<li>This was an anti-atheism talk about Korihor.  E. Hales was confident that those who pray to know if God exists will believe that he does.</li>
<li>I just saw the movie The Invention of Lying last night, which was somewhat atheist, but also totally awesome.</li>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>E. Callister</strong></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Contrast of JS&#8217;s flaws with those of Peter in the NT was a nice idea, although none of JS&#8217;s actual flaws were discussed.</li>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>E. Kent Watson</strong></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Temperance in all things.  He obviously stole my &#8220;Moderation in All Things&#8221; Post.  Seriously, dude.  Just ask next time.</li>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>E. Packer</strong></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Did this talk while seated &#8211; is his health failing?</li>
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<p>I also noticed a LOT of uses of the word &#8220;believe&#8221; in place of &#8220;know.&#8221;  This could be becoming a new trend, and if so, I applaud it!</p>
<p>What did you think?  Any thing you particularly liked or didn&#8217;t?  Discuss!</p>
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