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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Groupthink&#8221; is what naturally happens when a group becomes sedentary and sluggish.  When change is introduced or new people are introduced, they challenge the &#8220;groupthink.&#8221; I&#8217;ve never seen the word groupthink (when used correctly) as a positive.  Does the church suffer from groupthink or just unity (&#8220;being one,&#8221; and &#8220;if ye are not one, ye are not mine.&#8221;)?  You decide.First, a definition of the word groupthink:  n.  The act or practice of reasoning or decision-making by a group, especially when characterized by uncritical acceptance or conformity to prevailing points of view. So, do Mormons practice groupthink?  If so, is that a good thing (aligning with God&#8217;s will) or a bad thing (stifling oneself in favor of the perception of the majority)? There are some traits that are commonly expected among members of the church.  The traits I want to evaluate are:  loyalty, conservativism, conformity, hierarchy, structure, tradition, and formality.  There may be some who generally dislike one or more of these traits, but upon further examination it is probably just a reaction to being out of sync with the current consensus of the Mormon community.  Each of these traits could be considered on a scale from the opposite of the trait [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Groupthink&#8221; is what naturally happens when a group becomes sedentary and sluggish.  When change is introduced or new people are introduced, they challenge the &#8220;groupthink.&#8221; I&#8217;ve never seen the word groupthink (when used correctly) as a positive.  Does the church suffer from groupthink or just unity (&#8220;being one,&#8221; and &#8220;if ye are not one, ye are not mine.&#8221;)?  You decide.<span id="more-5929"></span>First, a definition of the word <strong>groupthink</strong>:  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">n.  The act or practice of reasoning or decision-making by a group, especially when characterized by uncritical acceptance or conformity to prevailing points of view</span>. </em>So, do Mormons practice groupthink?  If so, is that a good thing (aligning with God&#8217;s will) or a bad thing (stifling oneself in favor of the perception of the majority)?</p>
<p>There are some traits that are commonly expected among members of the church.  The traits I want to evaluate are:  loyalty, conservativism, conformity, hierarchy, structure, tradition, and formality.  There may be some who generally dislike one or more of these traits, but upon further examination it is probably just a reaction to being out of sync with the current consensus of the Mormon community.  Each of these traits could be considered on a scale from the opposite of the trait to an extreme version of the trait.  Where do you draw the line for yourself personally on each of these?</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Loyalty </strong>creates cohesion.  But if it goes too far, you get <span style="color: #0000ff;">radicalism</span>.
<ul>
<li>The other end of the loyalty spectrum is opposition, rather than disloyalty, because both ends of the spectrum are activist by nature, not passive.  How do you feel about each of the following on the continuum:  persecution to the point of killing church members, active opposition to the church, expressing outsider criticism, harboring resentment toward the church (but not acting on it), expressing insider criticism, verbal defense of the church, active defense of the church, willing to kill church enemies.</li>
<li>Where do you fit between active opposition to the organization and active loyalty to the organization?</li>
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</li>
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<li><strong>Conservativism </strong>creates stability.  But if it goes too far, you <span style="color: #0000ff;">stop progressing</span>.
<ul>
<li>The other end of the conservative spectrum is anarchy or instability&#8211;actively breaking down existing practices and stable structures.</li>
<li>Where do you fit on this scale &#8211; how radical are the changes you would like to see introduced and how quickly would you like to introduce them?  How opposed are you to changes that are even now introduced?  Do you yearn for the good old days?</li>
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<li><strong>Conformity </strong>creates unity.  But if it goes too far, it creates <span style="color: #0000ff;">inauthenticity </span>and stifles self-expression.
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<li>The other end of this scale is complete individuation, and prizing uniqueness by looking to distinguish everyone as individuals.  The conundrum is that often what passes for self-expression is just a desire to conform to a different model that the individual finds more appealing.</li>
<li>Do you accept the conformity standards at church or do you feel you have to be inauthentic to fit in?  Do you feel free to express yourself while still being accepted by the community?</li>
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<li><strong>Hierarchy </strong>creates order.  But if it goes too far, you get <span style="color: #0000ff;">unrighteous dominion</span> and blind obedience.
<ul>
<li>The opposite of hierarchy is a populist, grass roots, egalitarian leadership &#8211; leadership by the vocal masses, loosely similar to the ideal of communism (certainly not the practice of it).  On the downside, this can be chaotic and result in the rule of charismatic underdogs.  Likewise, some prefer to relinquish their own responsibility by relying too much on hierarchy, even in a lower-power structure organization, taking even the most innocuous statements as law.</li>
<li>How hierarchical do you feel the church is?  Is it too hierarchical (too many detailed mandates from the highest levels) or not hierarchical enough (too many decisions made at the local level)?  What level of hierarchy is most comfortable to you?</li>
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<li><strong>Structure </strong>creates security.  But if it goes too far, it is like <span style="color: #0000ff;">a prison</span>.
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<li>The opposite of structure is having no programs and free, open meeting agendas.  The risk is that nothing gets accomplished and nothing is measured.</li>
<li>How much structure is comfortable to you?  Is there too much structure in the church (checklists, correlated manuals) or too little (open dogma, lay clergy, not commanded in all things)?</li>
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<li><strong>Tradition </strong>builds a legacy.  But if it goes on too long, it becomes <span style="color: #0000ff;">obsolete</span>.
<ul>
<li>The opposite of tradition is spontaneity.  In worship, this could be constant change to meeting formats, speaking and music styles, etc.  To some extent, charismatic meetings are more spontaneous in this manner, but consistently charismatic meetings have their own traditions.</li>
<li>Cultural preferences in Mormonism can embody the whole religion for some people.  How do you respond to changes in tradition (no more roadshows, no more farewell meetings run by the family, changes to the temple ceremony)?  Do you feel there are some traditions that should end or are you comfortable with the traditions &#8211; do they make it your home?</li>
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<li><strong>Formality </strong>creates a sense of purpose.  But if it goes too far, form overtakes function and <span style="color: #0000ff;">erodes meaning</span>.
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<li>The opposite of formality is casualness.  Some religions are very casual by comparison &#8211; preachers in jeans, barbecuing with worship, etc.</li>
<li>How formal is too formal to you?  How casual is too casual?  Do you like the balance in Mormonism or is it too formal or not formal enough?</li>
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<p>If there is a continuum for each of these, where do you think the church sits?  Where do you sit?  Are you aligned?  If so, how do you avoid the perils of groupthink?  If not, how do you avoid ostracism from the church community?  How can a group like the church remain cohesive while avoiding the negative extremes of groupthink?</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>Zero Population is the Answer, My Friend . . .</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thought I&#8217;d catch your attention with that line from &#8220;Saturday&#8217;s Warrior,&#8221; the bane (or bastion, if you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about) of Mormon doctrine.*  There was an interesting article in NYT about how children can negatively impact marriages.  So, what&#8217;s the real scoop on these tiny little homewreckers?  Read on . . . The article pointed to some flawed gems of conventional wisdom: Kids cement marital happiness.  Definitely not always true.  (see below) Empty nesters feel bereft and abandoned.  You wish!  Now that you&#8217;re gone, they can get down to doing all the stuff they&#8217;ve been putting off for 20 years:  travelling, reading, rock climbing, key parties, whatever. There was more quality family time back in the &#8220;good old days.&#8221;  Not at all.  Studies show that parents spend much more time with kids than they used to spend back when housework took over twice as long.  Even in homes where both parents work, kids often get more quality time with BOTH parents than those of previous generations.  Debunked! So, how are these little rugrats destroying marriages, at least in today&#8217;s environment, and are Mormons more prone to these problems due to our focus on families?  According to the article: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I&#8217;d catch your attention with that line from &#8220;Saturday&#8217;s Warrior,&#8221; the bane (or bastion, if you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about) of Mormon doctrine.*  There was an interesting <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/opinion/05coontz.html?_r=2&amp;th&amp;emc=th">article </a>in NYT about how children can negatively impact marriages.  So, what&#8217;s the real scoop on these tiny little homewreckers?  Read on . . .<span id="more-4163"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/father_knowsbest200.jpg"></a>The article pointed to some flawed gems of conventional wisdom:<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/father_knowsbest200.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-4164 alignright" title="father_knowsbest200" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/father_knowsbest200.jpg" alt="" width="115" height="91" /></a></p>
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<li><strong>Kids cement marital happiness</strong>.  Definitely not always true.  (see below)</li>
<li><strong>Empty nesters feel bereft and abandoned.</strong>  You wish!  Now that you&#8217;re gone, they can get down to doing all the stuff they&#8217;ve been putting off for 20 years:  travelling, reading, rock climbing, key parties, whatever.</li>
<li><strong>There was more quality family time back in the &#8220;good old days.&#8221;</strong>  Not at all.  Studies show that parents spend much more time with kids than they used to spend back when housework took over twice as long.  Even in homes where both parents work, kids often get more quality time with BOTH parents than those of previous generations.  Debunked!</li>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/african20family.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-4165" title="african20family" src="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/african20family.jpg" alt="" width="166" height="120" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">So, how are these little rugrats destroying marriages, at least in today&#8217;s environment, and are Mormons more prone to these problems due to our focus on families?  According to the article:<a href="http://mormonmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/african20family.jpg"></a></p>
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<li>Having kids when you either don&#8217;t want them or are ambivalent about them can be disastrous for a marriage.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Do people succumb to pressure to have kids when they don&#8217;t want them? </span></em></li>
<li>Having kids to solidify a rocky marriage (seriously, do people still do this?) is likely to backfire (to which I say &#8220;duh!&#8221;).  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Do people honestly think it will all work out if they just have kids?</span></em></li>
<li>Slipping into &#8220;traditional&#8221; roles as anything other than a matter of choice leads to resentment from both spouses and rocky marriages.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Do people get sucked into traditional roles against their choice?</span></em></li>
<li>Spending too much time helicoptering over your kids and not enough time together as a couple or in adults-only time weakens marriages.  <em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Are we so focused on kids that we forget adult time?</span></em></li>
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<p>It&#8217;s no secret the church advocates traditional roles, is pro-procreation (when will the earth be plenished already?), and encourages family time.  Do Mormon couples experience these 4 pitfalls more frequently as a result, about the same, or less than others?  Are these issues we should be concerned about?  Do you know people for whom these issues have cause major marital strife?  If there is pressure that causes people to act outside their best interests, from whence does that pressure come, and how should it be dealt with.  My view is there are 3 kinds of pressure:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>External</strong>.  This is pressure from society, church, or family (other than spouse) to do what they want you to do or think is best for you.  It is best taken with a grain of salt if it conflicts with either of the next two.</li>
<li><strong>Intra-Marriage</strong>.  This is pressure from your spouse to do what s/he desires OR possibly what s/he thinks is best for you.  This is why people need to go into a marriage with their eyes wide open and full disclosure on things like kids &amp; careers.  But you have to do what you both can to accomodate and understand one another and arrive at a common place.</li>
<li><strong>Internal</strong>.  These are your feelings and desires and even your expectations of yourself and others.  It could be biological clock stuff, perfectionism, or your life&#8217;s goals and dreams.  You have to be true to yourself and to learn to love yourself and others, even when your desires may differ.  This is stuff you have to work through alone or in prayer as well as with your spouse, but ultimately, it&#8217;s up to you.</li>
</ul>
<p>That&#8217;s my way of looking at things, anyway.  But yours may differ.  Discuss.</p>
<p>*If you&#8217;ve never heard of &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_population">Zero Population</a>&#8221; before, that&#8217;s because the last time that term was used was before Donny Osmond had armpit hair.</p>
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