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		<title>Revelation &amp; Things</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s post comes from The Teacher.  Section 8 of the Doctrine &#38; Covenants refers to &#8220;another gift&#8221; Olivery Cowdery had, called at different times &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; or &#8220;the rod of nature.&#8221;  Several commentators recognize this gift as related to Oliver&#8217;s use of a divining rod. If you interpret Oliver&#8217;s &#8220;gift of Aaron&#8221; in Section 8 as a divining rod, it makes for some interesting reading.  Oliver&#8217;s gift has told him many things (verse 6).  The gift only works for Oliver because of the power of God (verse 7).  If he has faith in his gift, he will use it to do marvelous things (verse 8).  Oliver&#8217;s gift is the work of God (id.). When I first learned of what &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; might be, my initial reaction was that it was, well, odd.  I mean, a divining rod?  I knew about Joseph Smith and folk magic, but I sort of put the idea aside.  Then, I read the heading for Section 11 which says, &#8220;This revelation was received through the Urim and Thummim in answer to Joseph&#8217;s supplication and inquiry.&#8221;  And I thought, &#8220;Whoa.&#8221;  Faithful Mormons accpet that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim and a seer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s post comes from <a href="http://gosepldoctrineunderground.blogspot.com/">The Teacher</a>.  <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/8">Section 8</a> of the Doctrine &amp; Covenants refers to &#8220;another gift&#8221; Olivery Cowdery had, called at different times &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; or &#8220;the rod of nature.&#8221;  Several commentators recognize this gift as related to Oliver&#8217;s use of a divining rod.<span id="more-4220"></span></p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.jwwells.com/rod.gif" alt="" />If you interpret Oliver&#8217;s &#8220;gift of Aaron&#8221; in Section 8 as a divining rod, it makes for some interesting reading.  Oliver&#8217;s gift has told him many things (verse 6).  The gift only works for Oliver because of the power of God (verse 7).  If he has faith in his gift, he will use it to do marvelous things (verse 8).  Oliver&#8217;s gift is the work of God (id.).</p>
<p>When I first learned of what &#8220;the gift of Aaron&#8221; might be, my initial reaction was that it was, well, odd.  I mean, a divining rod?  I knew about Joseph Smith and folk magic, but I sort of put the idea aside.  Then, I read the heading for Section 11 which says, &#8220;This revelation was received through the Urim and Thummim in answer to Joseph&#8217;s supplication and inquiry.&#8221;  And I thought, &#8220;Whoa.&#8221; </p>
<p>Faithful Mormons accpet that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim and a seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon.  He used the Urim and Thummim to receive revelations that became scriptural passages of the Doctrine &amp; Covenants.  Is a divining rod any stranger than a Urim and Thummim?  At least I have seen a divining rod.  I have heard people talk about divining rods.  I have never seen a Urim and Thummim.  And that got me thinking about revelation.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.imagesoftherestoration.org/blog/wp-content/images/jstranslatingbom.jpg" alt="" width="140" height="67" />Divining rods and seer stones and interpreters are certainly outside our daily experience, and it is easy to think them odd.  But weren&#8217;t they just aids that Joseph (and perhaps Oliver) used for a while in seeking inspiration and revelation from God?  Don&#8217;t we all use tangible objects to help us believe and seek God&#8217;s guidance?</p>
<p>I have long thought that part of the power of ordinances is their tangibility.  You know precisely when you were immersed in water, and that meant something to you.  You know when hands are placed upon your head.  When you eat the bread and drink the water, it is a signal to your soul (the tangible and the intangible part) that you are seeking for God&#8217;s spirit.  When I think about it, I see lots of examples of tangibility as an aid to revelation and faith.</p>
<p>Easton, a commenter at Gospel Doctrine Underground, raised a couple of interesting ideas.  He referred to a talk by Dallin Oaks who said that reading the scriptures can be like a Urim and Thummim.  By that, Elder Oads meant that we can receive revelation through scripture study, not just on the topic we are reading about, but on any topic.  Easton also referred to a statement by Brigham Young that Joseph Smith had taught that everyone could and should have their own seer stone.  I don&#8217;t know if Joseph was speaking literally, but I think we all use tangible things to seek revelation.  The temple might be the ultimate example.  Among other things, don&#8217;t lots of people who really need revelation and guidance go to the temple because they believe being in a sacred place, a building, will help them find it?</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.salamandersociety.com/toptens/050101urim_thummim.jpg" alt="" />I guess it is natural to think that things outside our experience, like the Urim and Thummim and seer stones, are kind of strange.  But we have a wealth of tangibility that Joseph and Oliver did not have:  sacrament emblems blessed by the priesthood, the laying on of hands, celestial rooms.  All these things help us find inspiration and direction from God.  Maybe God just finds ways to work through the tools we have.</p>
<p>What do you think?  Can tangible things help us get revelation?  Do you have a &#8220;seer stone&#8221;?  What is it?</p>
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		<title>Is the Internet a Urim &amp; Thummim?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is a Urim &#38; Thummim, and how will the earth become like one? Is this like the statement by Brigham Young that missionaries would teach people on the moon and the sun? (still waiting for that mission call)  Or is it an example of a pre-industrial man trying to explain 21st century technology in terms he understood? What is a Urim &#38; Thummim? Literal translation yields several choices:  &#8220;truth and light,&#8221; &#8220;lights and perfections,&#8221; &#8220;revelation and truth&#8221; or &#8220;truth and doctrine.&#8221; An ancient form of communication with God along with dreams and prophets.  (like lds.org?) Sometimes they were used by prophets, but the implication is that they could also be used by others to answer yes/no questions.  (Sounds like binary code to me, the basis of all computer programming . . .) So, what was the prophecy? Joseph Smith said (in April 1843): &#8220;The earth when it is purified will be made like unto crystal (or a computer monitor perhaps?) and will be a Urim &#38; Thummim whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom or all kingdoms of a lower order will be manifest to those who dwell on it.&#8221;  (it could be called &#8220;wiki-worlds&#8221;  CK could stay [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a Urim &amp; Thummim, and how will the earth become like one?<span id="more-740"></span></p>
<p>Is this like the statement by Brigham Young that missionaries would teach people on the moon and the sun? (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>still waiting for that mission call</em></span>)  Or is it an example of a pre-industrial man trying to explain 21st century technology in terms he understood?</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/images/casting_lots/urim.jpg" alt="http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/images/casting_lots/urim.jpg" width="162" height="129" /><strong>What is a Urim &amp; Thummim?</strong></p>
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<li>Literal translation yields several choices:  &#8220;truth and light,&#8221; &#8220;lights and perfections,&#8221; &#8220;revelation and truth&#8221; or &#8220;truth and doctrine.&#8221;</li>
<li>An ancient form of communication with God along with dreams and prophets.  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>like lds.org?</em></span>)</li>
<li>Sometimes they were used by prophets, but the implication is that they could also be used by others to answer yes/no questions.  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>Sounds like binary code to me, the basis of all computer programming . . .</em></span>)</li>
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<p><strong>So, what was the prophecy? </strong> Joseph Smith said (in April 1843):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The earth when it is purified will be made like unto crystal (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>or a computer monitor perhaps?</em></span>) and will be a  Urim &amp; Thummim whereby all things pertaining to an  inferior kingdom or all kingdoms of a lower order will be manifest to those  who dwell on it.&#8221;  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>it could be called &#8220;wiki-worlds&#8221;  CK could stay in touch with lower kingdoms through open forums and chat rooms, perhaps a Facebook style application.</em></span>)</p>
<p>&#8220;Then the white stone (<em><span style="color: #0000ff;">a mouse?  or maybe a hard token? or a flash drive?</span></em>)  mentioned in Rev. c 2 v 17 is the Urim &amp; Thummim whereby all things pertaining  to an higher order of kingdoms even all kingdoms will be made known and a  white stone (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>could be a white blackberry&#8211;I hope it&#8217;s got GPS and wi-fi!</em></span>) is given to each of those who come into this celestial kingdom,  whereon is a new name written which no man knoweth save he that receiveth it. The new name is the key word.&#8221;  (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>or password?  although some people will probably just stick it on a post it note in their desk drawer; do you people care nothing for security?</em></span>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Could the internet be a Urim &amp; Thummim according to the prophecy and descriptions?  If so, did Al Gore know he was fulfilling Mormon prophecy when he invented it?  Does that, in fact, make him a Mormon (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>well, posthumously maybe</em></span>)?  Speaking of Al Gore&#8217;s inventions (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>went there!</em></span>), is global warming what is meant by the earth being cleansed by fire at the last day (<span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>maybe &#8220;by fire&#8221; was an exaggeration</em></span>)?  What do you think?  Discuss.</p>
<p>P.S. Please forgive my shameless digs at our former popularly elected president.  All meant in good fun.</p>
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